1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: KAE Sports final hour of the show out here from 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colin Mine, which has been a lot of 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: fun to be out here, a lot of really fun interviews. 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: Hope you guys get a chance to check them all 5 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: out on demand at Kacolorado dot com or on the 6 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app. Got all sorts of a really great intel 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: that's gonna help us not only in free agency here 8 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: in less than two weeks, but also the NFL Draft 9 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: in a month and a half. Also again our our 10 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: exclusive interview with George Payton Broncos GMS, and we get 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: the opportunity to do out here every single year. That's 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: available right now if you want to listen to that 13 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: at your leisure five six six nine zeros or KAE 14 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: Comma spirdeal text line. We're gonna hear from Bill's sideline 15 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: reports Sal Caapaco here in just a matter of moments 16 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: as the Buffalo Bill's hired several coaches off the Broncos 17 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: staff this well, just about a month ago. So we'll 18 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: hear from Sal about how that's being received out there 19 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: in Buffalo. And then Thornin Eistrom is going to apologize, 20 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: apologize to Broncos fans or how he treated Bonix. We're 21 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: gonna get to that up here in just a little bit. 22 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: Love Thor great, great dude, and I did not expect 23 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: him to apologize for that. I in this day and age, Ben, 24 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: most people tend to double down on these kinds of things, 25 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: especially on social media. But Thor instead went the other way, 26 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: which was cool. Yeah, that's good though. We've known for 27 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,919 Speaker 1: a while he's good guy. Yeah, he's one of the best. 28 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: All right. So a couple of texts here and then 29 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: again Ben broke some news earlier. We'll talk about that. 30 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: A couple of questions this one Wallace is listening to you, guys, 31 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: how wallis I had a couple of questions that come 32 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: to mind. First question, how long do the players stay 33 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis? And the second question is who pays for 34 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: the trip? Okay, so how long do they stay? It 35 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: just depends. Five days is generally not the whole time. 36 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: So like the d D line, Yeah, you're it's staggered 37 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: by a position group which day gets in, Juan. Sometimes 38 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: you'll stay a little longer because you want, you know, 39 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: somebody wants to talk to you. That kind of stuff. 40 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: They can't give a chance to there's you know, there's 41 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: the coordinated stuff and there's the uncordinate stuff, you know, 42 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: and so there's. 43 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: Aally interviews, you have the medicals, and then you have 44 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: the workouts. 45 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have you have you have well, you have 46 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: medicals first, yes, in the interview stuff, uh, and then 47 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: you have your workouts. 48 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: Those are on TV. 49 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: And you know there's some other testing that's in there, 50 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: some other things you do for social it's the league, 51 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,119 Speaker 2: go get your league photo taken. You know, there's there's 52 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: other little things that all happen uh in that. But 53 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: generally you're here for five days to a week and 54 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 2: then and then you're gone. What was the other question there? 55 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: I've forgotten Who pays for it? 56 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: Okay, so the combine pays for you, put you up 57 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: and you're you're flight out and those kinds of things. 58 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: There are other expenses that you have a prettym for 59 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: food and all that kind of stuff. There's some other 60 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: things that go into that. Your agent is gonna pay 61 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: for certain aspects, certain other things. 62 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: You know, if you've got somebody on site to. 63 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 2: Body mechanics, you know, chiropractor's, massage, therapists, things like that. 64 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: Whoever your your agency is that they'll be they'll be 65 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: paying for certain other things. Yep. Okay, so a perfect 66 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: Can we see the Broncos select one of these linebackers 67 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: in the first round, whether it's gonna be CJ Allen Styles, No, 68 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: Styles not be there, Trotter a second round go maybe 69 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: tied in third round running back Way Price or Singleton. Yeah, 70 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: I mean I know that you're not You're not in 71 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: the mindset that that inside linebackers. Well, let me target 72 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: let me. 73 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: Preface that, guys. Free agency hasn't happened yet. Yeah, so 74 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 2: I would I would hold off on projecting what they 75 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: will or won't do until they get through free agency, 76 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 2: and I suspect you'll be grateful once you kind of see. 77 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: I think the direction that they go in free agency 78 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 2: could absolutely do. I think that they will. No, I 79 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: don't think that they'll take it inside linebacker. At what 80 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: do we take a thirty? I don't think they'll they'll 81 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: take it inside linebacker there. 82 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: But she also didn't think they take a dB at twenty. 83 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: I think he would be there. Yeah at twenty. Well, 84 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: the same situation could apply here. Yeah, if Style slips 85 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: down to thirty, you're gonna take him Yeah. But but 86 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: if they don't think CJ. Allen, because even when we 87 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: talk to Trevor Sikoma, he's like, I don't have CJ. 88 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: Allen making it to thirty either. Yeah, I don't either. 89 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: But that's you know, but I don't think that that's 90 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: I'm not convinced that's their guy. That's not to say 91 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: that he is or isn't, But I just knowing archetypes, 92 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: knowing what Sean Payton looks for and doing with George 93 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: looks for, advance looks for. 94 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: I don't think that's our guy. We'll see, so I. 95 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: Little early talk to me after the first wave of 96 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: free agency and we can reset the scene on that. 97 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: Okay, better Ryan, any idea when we'll know if they're 98 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: going to cut or keep Drake Greenlaw? Also, will Alex 99 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: Singleton get an extension? While Alex Singleton isn't is a 100 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: free agent. 101 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: So would you get extension, would get a new contract? Yeah, 102 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: it'll be the whatever the last day of the league. 103 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,559 Speaker 1: Years. You wondered for Drake green Law just for a moment, 104 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: if if that's something that actually goes closer to the 105 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: draft or maybe even after, like you want to see 106 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: kind of how things settle there. I think you go 107 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: through wave one a free agency on that. So you think, like, hey, 108 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: if we if we bring back well, if you certainly, 109 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: if you bring back Alex Singleton and Justice or not, 110 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: you're probably moving on from drag green Law. 111 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you're only bringing one of those guys back, 112 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: and I suspect or not a lot end up in Bubbalo. 113 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: Just being honest for everybody here. 114 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: I think Sternad, Locke and McMillan all have a shot 115 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: at being in. 116 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: Buffalo, okay, But the timing of green Law, you may 117 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: want to wait to see who you get in the draft. 118 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: I think you're waiting. I think you're waiting until free agency. 119 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: I think you you know you until you've got your 120 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: your you know, if you've got Singleton and somebody else, 121 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 2: you can you can already punch on that. I don't think, 122 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: because again, Vance doesn't like to start rookies, and so 123 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: I really don't think that they're going to leave a 124 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 2: position like that open to a starting role, open to 125 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: a rookie. 126 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: I believe they'll have that covered. So if you go 127 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: Singleton and Drake green Law, and then if they could. 128 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: If they talk themselves back into green Lawn, then he 129 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: sticks around. If not, uh, and especially if they get 130 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 2: involved in the Devin Lloyd thing, then green Law's god. 131 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then of course you've also been talking about 132 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd. That's quite time. I believe that's a possibility. 133 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: They could get priced out on it, but I believe 134 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: that's a possibility. 135 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So today, Ben, you broke some news 136 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: about the nfl PA greats for the Broncos. Kayle and 137 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: Kaylor had gotten a hold of some of the grades. 138 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: She started to put out at least the top three, 139 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: bottom three of the overall grades. It was kind of 140 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: just leaking out. But then you were the first person 141 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: to really that I saw put out the entire grades 142 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: for one specific team. So congratulations to you on that. 143 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: What were some things we learned from that? Well, that 144 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: the Broncos have top tier ownership A plus. 145 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were only I think they were in there 146 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: were only four teams that a top top to your ownership, 147 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: top tier stadium. Four teams that had three teams had 148 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: top tier stadium Baltimore, Philly, and Denver. Which is interesting 149 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: because the Broncos are you going to get a new stadium, 150 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: but the players love the stadium, and really that's more 151 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: reflection of like the playing surface the locker room at 152 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: the stadium, because locker room means the locker room, the 153 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: training locker room, not the locker room at the stadium, 154 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: and I those are two different locations. 155 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: Fans sometimes struggle with that the locker. 156 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 2: Room was the worst grade that the Broncos got, and 157 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 2: that really it's just small and old, you know, like 158 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 2: the player's locker room. 159 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: It's small, it's old. 160 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: You got a bunch of guys coming from places like Georgia, Alabama, 161 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: you know, those kind of places where you've got these 162 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: space age modern locker rooms that have all this digital 163 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: technology in it and you know, and all this kind 164 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: of stuff, and the Broncos locker room just doesn't. 165 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: It just doesn't have that. It's got some TVs up 166 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: on the you know, up on the wall. The lockers 167 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: aren't that big. They don't have the motorized it's not 168 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: like janky or anything. It's just no. 169 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 3: But it's just old. 170 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: It's just you know, if you're coming from if I 171 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: don't know if you guys have ever had the chance 172 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: to look at these, but if you go online, you 173 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: look at LSU's locker room, and you look at Texas 174 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: locker room stuff like. 175 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: That, it's not very spacious. 176 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: And you look at the Broncos locker room, you're like, 177 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: what nineteen seventies locker room is this? You know, it's 178 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: just it's just kind of dated because college football forever 179 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: had tons of money coming in when they didn't have 180 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: to pay players, and they built these, you know, ridiculous 181 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: locker rooms and stuff like that, and so pro teams 182 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: obviously had to pay their players didn't put as much 183 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: into the locker room that kind of thing, and so 184 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: you're seeing sort of a flip of that as the 185 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: NIL thing happens. You're seeing NFL teams with new stadiums 186 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: start to upgrade the facilities. 187 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: In this it's the d for the locker room that 188 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: they got, the new facility being built. It's going to 189 00:07:58,920 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: change next year. Anyway. 190 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: Overall, Broncos finished top ten I think eleventh maybe in 191 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: overall or average grade as far as that goes. But 192 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: the main thing great ownership, great stadium, and everybody got 193 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: good grades. 194 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: I think nobody had anything below a B. The second 195 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, the locker room is the worst. Second worst 196 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: was what hey, coach, it'd be yeah, yeah, you know, 197 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: Sean Payton to a bee it is. It's not bad. 198 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: It was eleventh worst. I mean, the coaching grades tend 199 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: not to tend to be a little higher. He gets 200 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: the same grade as like Mike McDaniel, which is interesting 201 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: because they're almost opposite philosophically in terms. 202 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: Of, you know, how they handle players. But he was. 203 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: But other than that, I mean most of the grades 204 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 1: we were pretty good. Yeah they're top ten. As you 205 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: were talking about their overall, Yeah, I ended up being 206 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: top ten. Now the Raiders ended up being a six 207 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: on this but again, new facility, new stadium. I'm sure 208 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: that ended up doing quite a bit of their grade. 209 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean a good spot, and we talked 210 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: about it in the first hour. Ownership they really do 211 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: care about those kinds of things that they want the 212 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: players to view them in a certain way, view their 213 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: efforts to improve the team, the facility, the playing surface, 214 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: all they they they pay attention to that stuff. And 215 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: getting an A plus I'm sure was pretty good news 216 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: there for a great penner. I can tell you the owners. 217 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: They owners care about that grade. 218 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,599 Speaker 2: The penners care about that grade and the fact that 219 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: they got the highest grade possible. 220 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: They'll be very happy about all right, five six, six 221 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 1: nights zero. We did have a question earlier. Let me 222 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: see if I can pull this up really quick because 223 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: it's on Twitter before we get to Sacopacio. This was 224 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: from Scott. He said that I've heard you guys mentioned 225 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: Montgomery as an option for the Broncos a few times 226 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: this week, but not al Jeer. To me, he seems 227 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: to have a similar profile to Montgomery, but he is younger, cheaper, 228 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: and has fewer mile or fewer miles. 229 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: Why not him, Well, we just haven't mentioned him. It's 230 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: not that it could be him. I think I suspect 231 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: that that would be if we miss on this, then 232 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 2: we moved down the list to that. I think they're 233 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: kind of eyeballing a couple of different things. Like I said, 234 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: there's what we're trying to do, passed on the information 235 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 2: on the idea of what they're trying to do, not 236 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: one particular player that they're one hundred percent, you know, 237 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 2: because situations are fluid. There are multiple teams vying for 238 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: these players, and so what we're just trying to. 239 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: Do is cleane on that. 240 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: I probably should have mentioned Tyler Algier just just didn't 241 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: because I think Plan A is probably a little different 242 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 2: than that, that might be Plan B. 243 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: Well, in Montgomery, we were tying to some of the 244 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: coaching staff, right, you got Kyle Kemp. 245 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: They just hired from, you know, coach there our running 246 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: backs coach already coach Dave Montgomery did Iowa staye. John 247 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: Morton coached him at you know, in Detroit last year 248 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: as parts the passing game coordinator. 249 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: So there are there are ties. 250 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: To David Montgomery where maybe there aren't ties to Tyler Algier. Yeah, 251 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: so that for me was a big reason why we 252 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 2: were That was part of the discussion of the David 253 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: Montgomery thing. 254 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we were pushing I would say pushing it, 255 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: but we were mentioning that one is because of just 256 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: the all all the ties to the coaching staff, and 257 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, you work with familiarity. This is it is 258 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: a relationship league, it really is. 259 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 2: And you got familiarity with somebody and you know you 260 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: can rely on them, that that becomes that becomes a thing. 261 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: Okay, we had a chance to catch up with salth Capaccio, 262 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: who is always is one of the nicest dudes in 263 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: this business. Tremendous follow on Twitter as well, whether you're 264 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: a Bills fan or otherwise, and he's of course been 265 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: to a lot of combines out here, but we focused 266 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: narrowly on the hires. Of course, they have a new 267 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: OC and new DC that were both here last year, 268 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: Jim Leonard as well as Pete Carmichael. Joe Brady of 269 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: course also ties to Sean Payton, so we asked him 270 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: about the hires that the Broncos made and how Buffalo 271 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: Bill's fans are feeling about it. 272 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 3: Well, I think initially as soon as Joe Brady was hired, 273 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 3: Jim Lennard's name was somebody Phil's fans wanted and targeted 274 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: and said, you got to. 275 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: Go get this guy. 276 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: We know from Buffalo. He is a two thousand and 277 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: four undrafted free agent, started his career there. 278 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:46,599 Speaker 2: We know that. 279 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 3: And then obviously he's on a great job in Denver 280 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 3: under vanced Joseph and I find it interesting under Rex 281 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 3: Ryan as a player under vanced Joseph aggressiveness. Something the 282 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 3: Bills need to do is get to the passer better, 283 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 3: something he's been involved in. So that was number one, 284 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 3: and then we're all surprised when John Fox was announced 285 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 3: as a assistant head coach basically with the Bills, And 286 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: you know, it was somebody that Joe Brady said, I 287 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: wanted somebody that's been there, done that, He's been in 288 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 3: this seat before, and I think John Fox is not 289 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 3: only gonna help Joe Brady, but helped Jim Leonard a 290 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 3: lot of of course as well. 291 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: Then you got Pete Carmichael of course right there as well. 292 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: It's a long time Sean Payton acolyte. What is the 293 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: what is the general temperature on that as an oc 294 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: higher of course with Brady. 295 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's interesting I went back. Pete Carmichael started 296 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 3: with Drew Brees and San Diego. It didn't start, he 297 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 3: was with them. I mean, that's how long he goes back. 298 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 3: You know, we're getting old, right. You watched this and 299 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 3: you see these guys and you know their careers and 300 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 3: how they developed, and it's really interesting to me. You 301 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: guys know, in this league there's so many coaches just 302 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: want to be head coaches, they want to move up 303 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 3: the ladder. Pete Carmichael just totally strikes me as a 304 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: guy that he's a good team player, he's a loyal coach, 305 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: He just wants to help Joe Brady, and he said, 306 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 3: I always wanted to work with Joe again because they 307 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 3: work together in New Orleans. So I think fans are 308 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: really happy with it. I think they see a guy 309 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 3: that's not trying to overstep on Joe. He's just going 310 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 3: to be their support show as much as possible. 311 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: We have show. 312 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 3: Though, what does an offensive coordinator do if you're not 313 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 3: the play caller? He said, be ready to call plays? 314 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 3: He said, you never know, and I can't do my 315 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 3: job and he's got to be there. So I think 316 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 3: everybody's really happy with that. 317 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: How's how the fans done with moving on from Sean McDermott. 318 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: I remember seeing somewhere that there was a bit of 319 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 1: a fan pushback. They're hitting much of signatures on to 320 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: bring him back. Yeah, I want to hit your take 321 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: on that. 322 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 3: Well, it's so funny. You know, for the last seven 323 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: eight years, after the Bills kept hitting the playoff wall, 324 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 3: so many fans wanted Sean McDermot. 325 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: Now you know he's not the right guy, and. 326 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 3: Of course the many fans didn't. But this year kind 327 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 3: of changed. 328 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 4: This year was boy, he's doing it with you know, 329 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 4: duct tape and how's how this defense is so banged up, 330 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 4: but he doesn't have the horses, and Brandon means the 331 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 4: guy that was taking a lot of the heat from 332 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 4: the fans. 333 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 3: And then when it actually happened and Sean got fired 334 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 3: and Brandon got a promotion, that's what brought out a 335 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: lot of discontent from a lot of people. 336 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: Sean was great for the Buffalo Bills. 337 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 3: Nine years of really excellent football, five division championships, Right, 338 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 3: you can't replace that. But I think at the end 339 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 3: of the day, like Terry Bogolda said, you hit the 340 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 3: bar from a real off wall, and there was just 341 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 3: so much pressure on everybody in the organization with this 342 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 3: particular group. And I do think because of what they 343 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 3: did hiring wise, they told me that maybe it wasn't 344 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: about Seawan the head coach, but they really just wanted 345 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 3: a new defense. You can't do that without getting rid 346 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: of Sean McDermott. 347 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: It's his defense. 348 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 5: He's not going to do that. 349 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 3: I think it's things have settled down now. What really 350 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 3: happened was when they fired Sean. I think fans felt 351 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 3: they didn't give him the respect he deserved. They didn't 352 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 3: put out statements. 353 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 5: How great he was. 354 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 3: It was did an admirable job, and it was kind 355 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 3: of like a little I think people thought was cold. 356 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 3: I don't know if that was calculated or not. I 357 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: think maybe they just wanted to move on and get 358 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 3: on with the business. Joe Brady comes in on day 359 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 3: one and he went to the podium. 360 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: He talks all about Sean. 361 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 3: McDermott, how great he was for him, learning from him. 362 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 5: I love you. 363 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 3: What he built here matters. That helped the fan base 364 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 3: a lot. 365 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: I think there could be something too that the Broncos 366 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: and coincidentally or not with John Fox ran into sort 367 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: of the playoff wall. 368 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: They end up getting rid of John Fox, bring in 369 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: Gary Kubiak and get that super Bowl in Super Bowl, 370 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: So I think. 371 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: There is something too that having a coach that can reset. 372 00:14:58,520 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 5: The culture the way Sean mcderbott did. 373 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe needing somebody to get you that last year 374 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: you got it to the goal line, needed somebody to 375 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: get you over. Where is the fan base after this 376 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: past season, probably being a bit of a disappointment. 377 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 6: There's no Pat Mahomes, no jober right, and you run 378 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 6: into the Broncos. So you whipped last year, right, you 379 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 6: run into the Broncos Bus and lost there. What is 380 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 6: the fan base this kind of state of things with 381 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 6: that and now with Joe Brady taking. 382 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 3: Over, well, I think that is that like, man, you 383 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 3: had this opportunity right, like you didn't have the big 384 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 3: guys in the way you normally have to face, and 385 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: then you go lose a second year quarterback in bo 386 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 3: Nicks and no disrespect, brobs were great. Their defense was great, 387 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 3: no doubt. They'll turn them all over five times and 388 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 3: everybody's like, what would have happened? You know that they 389 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 3: catch at the end all those kinds of things that happened. 390 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 3: They didn't go their way, like if not now, then when? 391 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: Well my answer to that is, well maybe next year. 392 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: Josh Allen, is it retiring right? 393 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: You never know? 394 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: I think it's more of a you know, we've had 395 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 3: these opportunities, they haven't happened. 396 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: Can we do it with this group? 397 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 3: And then you get to a way but we still 398 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 3: have seventeen, so no doubt about it, you could still 399 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 3: do it with him. There's gonna be some on the 400 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 3: job training with Joe Braid, There's no doubt about that. 401 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 3: But he's walking into a team. When people go when's 402 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 3: the last time of first year head coach, every sero 403 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 3: it was only having a couple of times. I'm like, well, 404 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 3: let's think about it. First year head coaches only first 405 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: year because teams usually stink. He's walking into a team 406 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 3: that's actually good, so he has an opportunity to. 407 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: Win really good stuff there. From Sala Capaco is a 408 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: longtime sideline reporter for the Buffalo Bills. Again, we'll get 409 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: the interview ut A Kwaycolorado dot Com, and that is 410 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: just some insight on the hires that were made out 411 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: there in Buffalo. Quite a few coaches off the staff 412 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: for the Broncos are now coaching out there in Buffalo. 413 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones, who covers the league for CBS, tweeted this 414 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: out five minutes ago. The NFL has sent a memo 415 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: to clubs following the leaked NFLPA report cards saying teams 416 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: should refrain from quote unquote commenting or engaging publicly on 417 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: the alleged surfey and report card results. Yeah, well knew 418 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: that was coming. Who tweeted that out Jonathan Jones Jones, Yeah, 419 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: so I knew that was going to be coming out here, 420 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: and that's uh expected there From from the NFL and again, 421 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, they won the court case. So I'm sure 422 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of grumbling from especially Woody Johnson out there. 423 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: The Jets. Meanwhile, I imagine the Broncos are just like, hey, whatever, 424 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: it looks prett good to me. Pretty happy with it ultimately, 425 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: And this is what we said in the first hour, 426 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: that this is going to get out every year like 427 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: one way or another. I mean, I'm sure the NFL 428 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: will remind the NFLPA, remind the players next year. Hey look, 429 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, don't don't put this out. Don't leak this out. 430 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: It's going to find a way out almost every year, 431 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: and in a lot of ways you almost look worse 432 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: for it. 433 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, this is one of those things 434 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 2: that you take the oxygen away, which is what they're 435 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: trying to do. But these like the idea that you 436 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 2: pushed back against the NFLPA putting these out because two 437 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: owners were really were crying about their grades. And I'm 438 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 2: not going to mention which Woody Johnson and Michael bid 439 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 2: while they were, but two owners crying about their grades 440 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: got this whole thing turned into what it is now, 441 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: which the other owners are like. 442 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, leak them, Yeah, because they all get great grades 443 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: because the rest of the owners don't get f's and 444 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: F minuses like Michael Bidwell anyways, But yeah, I just 445 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: I find the whole uh dance funny. We're waiting. We 446 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: want to see Jacob Rodriguez as forty as a four 447 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: or five three for uh for Reese, so we'll uh, 448 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: we'll get that here in just a little because we're 449 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: all big Jacob Rodrigus guys. And the forty time is 450 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: everything it is, and it tends to be covered sometimes 451 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: almost independent of position as the end all be all, 452 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: like oh, what what forty is going to run? Now? 453 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: You know, you know, if you're a dB or a 454 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: wide receiver. Yeah, I mean that that can be a 455 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: thing sometimes for certain quarterbacks it could be really interesting 456 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: to see what their forty time is. Yeah, but. 457 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 2: What is it? Four six one on officialez That's that's 458 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: perfectly fine. 459 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: It's fine. Anything under four seven is fine. Yeah, that'll 460 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: that'll that'll, that'll do. That'll do ye. In fact, you what, 461 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: you wouldn't want it higher because then. 462 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: Because then people are starting eye you know, like whoa wait, hey, 463 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 2: I wonder if it gets adjusted up or down, if 464 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 2: it goes if it cracks at four or five, then 465 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we're in trouble. On my my 466 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: Jacob Rodriguez love But yeah, the four six, that's that's 467 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: right in the sweet spot where you want it. There's 468 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: a lot of people we talk about guys that have 469 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 2: buzz out here. 470 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: Jacob Rodriguez, the inside linebacker from Tech, He's he's an 471 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: aim that's been talked about a lot. 472 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 2: I was hoping he would make it to the Broncos 473 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 2: in the second and I still think that's a very 474 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 2: realistic possibility. 475 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: There's a lot of teams that were hoping the same thing. 476 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: By the way, you may have to do some maneuvering 477 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: in the second, but uh, you know, as it sits, 478 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: I think pick sixty two is going to be Yeah, 479 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 2: you might have to. I want to test some AMMO 480 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 2: to move move north foot. 481 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. With Sean and George, that's 482 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: one of the things that they've done. Yeah, they've they've 483 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: accumulated and they've moved around. So yeah, four four nine 484 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: unofficial for Styles. My gosh, what was it? Four four 485 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: nine for Styles? Yeah, you gotta be kidding me. He 486 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: could he might, you know, like Caleb Downs. Caleb Downs 487 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: was to go number two. Styles might push himself. Might 488 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 1: you know him? And Downs Now he's six foot, five 489 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: hundred and forty four pounds. 490 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, what I'm saying, he's like a he's like a 491 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: huge safety in terms of athleticism, but he hits like 492 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: a linebacker. He's built like an edge rusher. 493 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: Four four nine. That's absurd. That is absolutely absurd. That's 494 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: gonna break the RAS score scale. It goes to eleven. 495 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: Will Now, yeah, RADS is gonna FRATS is gonna go. 496 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: It goes to eleven. 497 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 2: George is gonna have to put a different athletic He's 498 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: gonna create a just to put the well, I see, 499 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 2: that's like. 500 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: A lavender just put like some people like think this 501 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: is just nerd stuff. But George Peyton r GM the 502 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: Broncos GM. Yeah, oh he's a big RATS score, a 503 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: relative athletic score. He's a big RAS guy. And uh yeah, 504 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: it's it's it's gonna be that's it's pretty silly. On 505 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: what is this one? Five to one? Was that his 506 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: Oh man, okay, all right, we're gonna die and dive 507 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: into some of these coming up next. Uh as we 508 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: are alive from the NFL combat when we come back. 509 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: Actually we've got we got a really fun in review 510 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: with Thornon Eistrom. He'd been very critical of Bonnicks, very 511 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: critical of Sean Payton selecting Bonicks just two years ago. 512 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,239 Speaker 1: He's gonna walk it back. You're gonna hear from him. 513 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: Coming up next, Ryan was vinjaminal Bright that Broncos Country 514 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: tonight cover up at the top of the hour, all right, 515 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: been teasing at all show. Thorn Eistrom, who was a 516 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: really good friend of ours, got in with Broncos fans, 517 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: and so I thought only fair to invite him on 518 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: the show, and I had a chance to chat with 519 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: him earlier. You can find the video on our social 520 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: media channels at Kia Colorado. And here's that conversation. Well, 521 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: for a lot of Broncos fans know your name by now, 522 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: not just because you know I got a lightning and 523 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: all that, but also because of your opinions on Bonnicks. 524 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 5: I feel a lot of Broncos. 525 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: Fans want to know, as we sit here today, how 526 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: do you feel about Lonicks. 527 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 5: I was wrong about BONICKX. I apologize Broncos Nation. That 528 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 5: was definitely a whiff in that class Yeah, Bonex has 529 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 5: been great. He's been really good. Yeah, And I felt 530 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 5: a lot a lot of people to know that I 531 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,239 Speaker 5: am not putting you up to this. No, no, I said, right, 532 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 5: I was wrong about Bonex, So yeah, I apologize to 533 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 5: Bronco Nation. Payton got Sean Payton got that one right. 534 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 7: I got that one wrong, which is tough for me, 535 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 7: of course as a Vikings fan to have met that. 536 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 7: Sean Payton got one And. 537 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm a big JJ McCarthy guy. And I 538 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: told you right before we go on is I'm really 539 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: rooting for him. I'm rooting for him to figure things 540 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: out with the Vikings. But I think, just in general 541 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: for a. 542 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 7: Moment, that draft class is really a special You agree 543 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 7: with that, oh for sure, and we're going to get 544 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 7: another shot. Twenty twenty seven quarterback class is going to 545 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 7: look a lot like that one in terms of the 546 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 7: amount of guys going top twelve, top fifteen. 547 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 5: So I can't wait for that. We're at the scout 548 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 5: and come by twenty twenty six year. 549 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 7: You don't really want to like look past to the 550 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 7: next meal, you know, kind of a thing while you're 551 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 7: eating a lunch or or what's our next vacation before 552 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 7: you go on to the one or whatever. But that 553 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 7: one is lingering in the distance. A lot of people 554 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 7: here talking about that. We have an interesting draft class 555 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 7: se here this year, but yeah, next year it's. 556 00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 5: Going to be a wild one. 557 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking forward you too. You're right because it 558 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: tends to be so quarterback centric like the League of 559 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: General and I know that you know that justifiably. But 560 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: this year when people last me about this draft class, 561 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: we talk about the deaths. Certainly a lot of defensive 562 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: players are like a lot, but the quarterback is lacking. 563 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 5: Unfortunately, That's what it is. 564 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean after Mendoza, obviously you have that huge 565 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 7: shop there, and then who goes after that. I think 566 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 7: the common assumption has been that Ty Simpson's locked into 567 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 7: that certainly the heavy favorite. 568 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 5: But it's pretty wide open. 569 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 7: And I think Cole Payton is a guy who's going 570 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 7: to make up a lot of ground this week and 571 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 7: he's tess well, he's going to test very well. Yeah, 572 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 7: six three, two thirty, he's going to run in the 573 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 7: four five. Just a tremendous athlete, a duell threat kid 574 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 7: from North Dakota State. 575 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 5: But a couple of quarterbacks like that. 576 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 7: You have a big opportunity here these next couple of 577 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 7: days because of that sort of wild West thing of 578 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 7: this quarterback class after Mendoza and we'll see what Simpson 579 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 7: I mean, he's going to go out there. 580 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: I respect it. 581 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 5: He's going to go out there and throw. 582 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 7: There's not not questions, but the physical tools with him, 583 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 7: they're not elite, and so the fact he's going to 584 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 7: go out and compete with that that as well, especially 585 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 7: for an inexperienced guy, we haven't seen as much. 586 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: One hundred percent experience. That's why I wanted to get 587 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: to so say with Nicole inexperience. Now North Dakota State, 588 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: we've had some moments here with Trey Lance, for example, 589 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: where it didn't quite work out. You think that ends 590 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: up going against him? 591 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 5: It might. 592 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 7: The fact that they've had so many quarterbacks go to 593 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 7: the NFL. I think that helps, But yeah, the thing 594 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 7: of the translation of it and not being one to 595 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 7: one definitely hurts. And the scheme, how much does that 596 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 7: help those guys? And then also how good that team 597 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 7: is in comparison to the other FCS programs. They have 598 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 7: the best strength and conditioning program, as you know in 599 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 7: the FCS. They're so good at identifying people. I love 600 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 7: that they're going to the Mountain West now it's because 601 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 7: I think they're going to roll in there. But yeah, 602 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 7: it's a little bit different. And of course, you know, 603 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 7: you know past guy's gotten to work. You know, Christian 604 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 7: Watson and all those different guys are running game they've had. 605 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,959 Speaker 7: And then this year we also have Bryce Lance here, 606 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 7: Trey's brother, who is a stud wide receiver for North 607 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 7: Dakota State at these past couple of years. 608 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 5: So yeah, there is questions with that with Colepaine and 609 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 5: holds onto the ball a little bit too long. The 610 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 5: ever time to throw was over three seconds. 611 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 7: That's my biggest question with him, is like in the NFL, 612 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 7: you can't do the thing. I'll weight it out because 613 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 7: I know with my physical you know the six three, 614 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 7: two thirty, I run the four fives that I can 615 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 7: get out of danger at the last second. At the NFL, 616 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 7: you're already on the ground looking up at the sky. 617 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 7: So that he's going to have to change that. Some 618 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 7: of the timing stuff that the quicker hitting type stuff 619 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 7: within the system. You're gonna have to teach him some 620 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 7: of that kind of stuff. But if you can get 621 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 7: that down, you have the physical ability here where his 622 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 7: ceiling I think probably higher than anyone but Meandoz in 623 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 7: that quarterback class. 624 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. But if we have so 625 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: many recent examples, including Anthony Richardson the little time on 626 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: task at the college level, and then all of a 627 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: sudden we expect him to be great NFL quarterbacks can 628 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: be h You might have to have a focus mindset 629 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: of what that development of the time looks like for sure. 630 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: But if you want to ask you about Bonix coming 631 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: back to him for a why do you think it 632 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: worked despite several people and I kind of include myself 633 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: in this, that thought maybe he'd be more developmental even 634 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: though he's a little older, has a ton of experience, 635 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: maybe not a to be you know, one of the 636 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: top ten, top fifteen quarterbacks. 637 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 7: In the league was able to translate because that thing 638 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 7: we were just talking about with Cole Payton of the 639 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 7: timing stuff and getting it out quick, getting it out 640 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 7: on time, the rhythm stuff. That's just so Bonix is 641 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 7: a lead at And that's the part with his evaluation 642 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 7: that I wish I had a factor more, you know, 643 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 7: or or put more weight into that as opposed to 644 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 7: you know, some of the physical tools didn't love him 645 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 7: as much throwing down the field, some of the conventional 646 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 7: type you know. 647 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 5: Five step drop and then rip it down field. But 648 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 5: the things that he was really good at, I. 649 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 7: Don't feel like I didn't give enough weight in my 650 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 7: evaluation for that. 651 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 5: Sean Payton did. And Sean Payton's the. 652 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 7: Best guy for a guy like that in the NFL obviously, 653 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 7: which played him up as well. There's you know, it's 654 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 7: it's a couple of different things with all these guys. 655 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,479 Speaker 7: As you know, it's also where you land and then 656 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 7: how they use up. And yeah, Bonex was a perfect 657 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 7: landing spot, but he had the skill set where Sean 658 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 7: Payton was going to identify that. 659 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 5: And good for the Broncos for doing it well. 660 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: And I thought JJ landing with KOC was going to 661 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: be a great fit. And he's been the quarterback whisperers, 662 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: the reason why he got the extension. So I guess, 663 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: in your opinion, why is a network so far? 664 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 7: I think you know, you come off the first year 665 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 7: where you get injured right away KOs August twenty twenty 666 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 7: four when the suffered the tormentiscus. You know, the day 667 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 7: after said we found our franchise quarterback and everything like that. 668 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 5: Then JJ has to rehab for a full year. 669 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 7: A guy that played only three years in college, you know, 670 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 7: was one of the youngest kids in his draft class. 671 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 5: That's becoming more and more rare as you know. I 672 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 5: think it was at Brett Veach the Chiefs guy said that. 673 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 7: I think he said that one quarter of their big 674 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 7: board change with guys going back to school because of 675 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 7: Nil where they had to take twenty five of the 676 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 7: top one hundred guys off because they went back sort 677 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 7: of unexpectedly. So we're in this sort of new paradigm. 678 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 7: But the true three year guys becoming more rare. JJ 679 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 7: starts the last two years there so he was young, inexperience. 680 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 5: Then he misses that first year. 681 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 7: Then you come back the first game against Chicago, the 682 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,719 Speaker 7: three straight touchdowns on the road, a team that ends 683 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 7: up winning the division. 684 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 5: You come back and win that game. He's NFC Offensive 685 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 5: Player of the Week next week though him and his 686 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 5: fiance have a child. And then that week I was 687 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 5: at the game on Sunday night against the Falcons. 688 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 7: He had the high in cool sprain on the hip 689 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 7: drop tackle and then it was one thing after another, 690 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 7: right Like it took him five weeks or so to 691 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 7: get over the high in Cool Sprain, and then quickly 692 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 7: after that he hits his hand on a helmet. 693 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 5: Later on it was a concussion. I heard. 694 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 7: The hand injury was lingering. He finally breaks it against 695 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 7: the Giants like a full break. They wanted him to 696 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 7: come back and play at the end. 697 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 5: Of the season. It's hard when it's like stop, start, stop, 698 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 5: start for a guy that had been six hundred plus 699 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 5: day layoff. And then of course the offensive line injuries, right, 700 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 5: Christian Darisaw missed the first couple of games. Justin school 701 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 5: has to play like Brendle. You have them all over 702 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 5: the place. 703 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 7: And I think also people don't bake it enough the 704 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 7: receiver situation because it's like, oh, he has. 705 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 5: The best receivers in the league, and he has one 706 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 5: of the greats of. 707 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 7: All time, and Justin Jefferson obviously, but last year's training camp, 708 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 7: Jefferson missed August, you know, and then he comes back, 709 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 7: but you didn't have the timing with him. Addison suspended 710 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 7: the first three games of the season. You trade for 711 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 7: a third eight year old with the world's largest fork 712 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 7: sticking out of his back like five days before the season, 713 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 7: and so the timing of it as well. It's tough 714 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 7: to get timing with those guys like sort of in 715 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 7: the moment when then you're also injured, and it was 716 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 7: the whole thing turned into a discombobulated mess. But I 717 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 7: think you're gonna see a lot of improvement going forward, 718 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 7: both out of him, but then also the cohesion with 719 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 7: the receivers, the timing justin Jefferson talked about they're gonna 720 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 7: work work work on that this offseason. And then the 721 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 7: offensive line it can't help but be healthier and better 722 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 7: than it was last year. I mean, I'm gonna find 723 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 7: some wood to knock on it, right, but it's got 724 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 7: to be better. 725 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, the last couple here for you, I 726 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: gotta ask you what happened quest see, like win your opinion? 727 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: How that why that fall? 728 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 5: For the weird thing of it, of course, was the 729 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 5: timing of it. 730 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 7: You know, usually you see that GM fire right after 731 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 7: the season, and we it was two and a half 732 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 7: three weeks later you're at the Senior Bowl, Hunter, but 733 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 7: I saw him on. 734 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 5: The sidelines there right, Yeah. It was crazy and he 735 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 5: was at the Shrine game before that. 736 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 7: You don't send someone out on a work trip if 737 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 7: you expect to fire them during the work trip, which 738 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 7: is what ended up happening. The ownership group you know, 739 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 7: said like, you know, our second round of you know, 740 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 7: going back and post season review and talking to the 741 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 7: coaches and whatnot. And that's when this was sort of determined. 742 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 7: And then the Brian flores Him resigning with the Vikings. 743 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 7: The timing of that was quite interesting in conjunction with 744 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 7: the firing of Quaysy. It lines up there, and then 745 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 7: you had reports there that he was not going to 746 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 7: come back. If Quaysey was still there. You have some 747 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 7: issues in that building that I think they they want 748 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 7: to believe or they want to forward that some of 749 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 7: that stuff's been fixed, you know, with this and and 750 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 7: then restructuring this up. Rob Brazinski, now the interim GM. 751 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 7: But is it like Quaysy wasn't the guy that was 752 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 7: like in free agency, I want that guy, and I 753 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 7: want that guy. It was the coaching staff bringing him 754 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 7: guys to then then go and pursue same thing with 755 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 7: the draft process. Rob Berzinski, Now, is the new being 756 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 7: counter essentially the temperature of the room. Guy is he 757 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 7: going to be better at that than Quaysy Maybe you know, 758 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 7: in terms of that, but uh well, it remains to. 759 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 5: Be seen whether the problems have actually been facts. 760 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: Really good stuff there from Thorg and kind of a 761 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: lot of draft I certainly love his draft insight. In fact, 762 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: I asked him a question about some of his favorite 763 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: position groups in the draft, and you can find that 764 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: on demand at Kowaclorado dot com. Twenty twenty six NFL 765 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: Combine here in Indianapolis has been a really fun week. 766 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: We'll be back in studio tomorrow. I'm going to be 767 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: joined by Nate Jackson on the program at three o'clock. Obviously, 768 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: we'll just sort of empty the notebook as it relates 769 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: to everything that's happened out here over the course of 770 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: the week. I'm sure we'll have some more breaking news 771 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: because it's a busy week out here in the NFL. 772 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,479 Speaker 1: So we'll have a bunch of stuff for you tomorrow 773 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: at three o'clock and on Broncos Country tonight at six o'clock. 774 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 2: I have plugged Sunny Styles numbers into the RAZ formula, 775 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,719 Speaker 2: and he would be a perfect ten at safety, corner, 776 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: wide receiver, and defensive end that silly that's. 777 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: Really on top of being a perfect tenned linebacker. Yeah, 778 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: and again I understand that some of it it's like 779 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: like nerdy stuff, but then you just again bugs up 780 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: what we've seen on the tape watching him play sunny styles. 781 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: Put this in perspective, is a middle linebacker who tested 782 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 2: better athletically across the board. 783 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:23,719 Speaker 1: Than DK Metcalf at twenty pounds heavier well and and uh, 784 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: Zach Seer said to said this to us earlier. So 785 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: I think was it a four? It was a four 786 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: four six or four or seven four four six? Official 787 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: Jerry Judy was a four four five. Yeah, basically he's yeah, 788 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: he's you know. And and then again, Sonny is what 789 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: six five, yeah, two forty four six five forty four? 790 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: And uh runs the four you know? 791 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: He he runs faster, jumps, higher, jumps further. Uh is 792 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 2: stronger and uh than than DK Metcalf at twenty pounds heavier. 793 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: Go watch his basketball highlights too. His vertical jump. 794 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: To put it in perspective, he would be able to 795 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 2: just jump up and not get up that touch the rim, 796 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 2: jump up above the rim. His whole head would be 797 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 2: above the rim, and he could touch over the top 798 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 2: of the square on the backboard. 799 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: All right, five six, six nine zero or ken't wait 800 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: Comma spirit health text line very quickly. Here there's somebody 801 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: that's very upset with you, Ben though about breaking news, 802 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: very upset with you, and you're Sean Payton and John 803 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: Fox comps. I guess, well, you're right. 804 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 2: I putn't I shouldn't put Sean Payton in the same 805 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 2: class as John Fox because he went to multiple Super Bowls? 806 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: Do you want to watch Fox? Fox went him? You know, 807 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: I know what you mean. Do you want to walk 808 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: back any of that? Not even a shred of it? Okay. 809 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 2: I love the fact that this guy's saying to Sean Payton, 810 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 2: Sean Payton isn't gonna make the Hall of Fame unless 811 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 2: he wins another Super Bowl. 812 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna most spoil that one for you now. 813 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: I wonder if he gets to another Super Bowl, if 814 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: that will bolster maybe. I think what if he gets 815 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: if he gets to one. I think he's on the borderline, 816 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: but he will. I'm telling you right now, if he 817 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: were to retire, to Sean Payton would not make the 818 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. But like because John Fox went to 819 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: two Super Bowls. He obvious he didn't win, but he 820 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: went with Jake the loam in the the paper. But 821 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: but again he didn't you know, he didn't call plays. 822 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 2: He was the CEO coach, so well, yeah, he was 823 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 2: heavily involved in the defense, but he was he didn't 824 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 2: call plays. 825 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: He didn't call plays. So but like Sean is the 826 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: architect of and the play caller four for two decades 827 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: of one of the best offenses really in the history 828 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: of the NFL. So good they got the one Super Bowl. Okay, 829 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: I mean you don't we had to don't keep do this. 830 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: I'm just you understand what I'm saying. Like he will 831 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: get he measured all that, that's right. 832 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 2: I think that the downside that people don't don't think 833 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 2: about with Sean Paygn, which is something he admitted his 834 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 2: own podium here, is that when when he got when 835 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 2: he gave up play calling, the offense got better. Pet 836 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 2: Carbuckle came on. He came in and blew the doors off, 837 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 2: not just for a couple of games, but then for 838 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 2: a whole season when he got suspended. And that's part 839 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 2: of the reason he's not going to make the halls 840 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 2: because of this. The suspension for bounty and Pillgate and 841 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 2: you know and all that stuff, and. 842 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: So I you know, with Sean Payton, like it's not 843 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: to say he's not a good coach. He is a 844 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: good coach. 845 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 2: He raised the floor same thing as John Fox did. 846 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: John Fox came in after after Josh mcdaners had cleaned 847 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 2: up the mess. Sean Payton came in after Nate Hackett 848 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 2: and cleaned up the mess. Both of them got to 849 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 2: you know, NFCY Championship games and all that kind of stuff. 850 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:06,959 Speaker 1: We'll see. 851 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 2: You know, the book on Sean Payton isn't finished yet, 852 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 2: so you can't say, but right now, yeah, he's absolutely 853 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 2: in that tier.