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Speaker 1: The new colors, you know what what they're there? Apparently

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Speaker 3: No, I think he tore the a c L in

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Speaker 2: We'll get our grand Smith's putting a lab coat on

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Speaker 3: You know what I think, now that I've given this

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Speaker 2: Please, we'll take it.

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Speaker 5: I don't know you guys. Do you guys watch any

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Speaker 2: I'm going to roll tape on this. I promise you.

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Speaker 5: I promised, don't promise it, Grant.

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Speaker 5: The Carolina Reaper, the million scovil unit.

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Speaker 3: Cheetos, flaming hot cheese balls.

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Speaker 2: Interesting? Yeah, Nate, and I haven't lived now you know,

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Speaker 2: you look this up. I'm sure you can google me

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Speaker 1: Anything to pivot here, Max Crosby, have you seen that

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Speaker 4: Not him out of your pile.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like the.

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Speaker 5: You gotta see Max Crosby on the UH on his

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Speaker 2: About this Baltimore thing. I heard something, it heard a

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Speaker 1: He was livid when the trade fell through, but back

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Speaker 4: The believe that for one single minute.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna believe my guy more than your guy. Well,

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Speaker 3: you do have a guy, and I know you do too.

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Speaker 3: I The only thing I can think of with Da

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Speaker 1: Well, they had like they had ten consultants on this thing,

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Speaker 5: Doctor for the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, weighing in on this thing.

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Speaker 1: It was Mike, not one person, right, And so that's

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Speaker 1: you know, and of course Max Crosby's doctors out here

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Speaker 3: Well, not the coaching staff that tried to move him, No,

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Speaker 4: I'm a Raider. I'm rehabbing my knee. But I just

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Speaker 4: I still think it's up in the air.

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Speaker 1: Like on the front end, he did the right thing,

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Speaker 2: On the back end, he said all the right things.

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Speaker 1: I don't see that there's not a path to reconcile

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Speaker 2: How does the money work with that? Because they signed

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Speaker 1: whatever it is. I'll figure out the well carry sports

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Speaker 3: Nathaniel Hackett was a hip hop instructor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he was. He was a dance He's a hip

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Speaker 1: Well, he swore up and down this is I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think I saw him in the I'm Bringing Sexy Back. Video.

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Speaker 4: It was still time.

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Speaker 5: If I don't know if Nate Hackett.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying, I am, I am.

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Speaker 4: Not play well in front of the room.

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Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, maybe not. Steven, Willie Beamon, Jamie Fox, he

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Speaker 5: Shearon used to guy.

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Speaker 2: He's a talented guy.

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Speaker 4: He is.

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Speaker 2: But his cousin was Michael Bishop.

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Speaker 3: Will wait wait, Jamie Fox and Michael Bishop are the cousins?

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Speaker 4: Are they really first cousins?

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Speaker 4: Just a fountain of information?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Where do you learn all this stuff? Just along

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Speaker 4: Real name was Bishop. Yeah, Jamie, Michael Bishop's real name

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Speaker 2: No, Jamie Fox's real name is Jamie Bishop.

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Speaker 4: I got it.

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Speaker 1: And so and Michael Bishop, who yeah, you know Clay

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Speaker 2: Yeah, was was his cousin.

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Speaker 2: A little first by tomorrow, well yeah, right with the

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Speaker 1: Somebody said, uh, I criminally neglected loute Olsen, So I

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Speaker 2: And here at Arizon, you know, just down there in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: I Cam Jordan, from what I understand, has got like

447
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Speaker 1: four teams that are in on him. I think the

448
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Speaker 1: sales pitch here would be take the least amount of

449
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Speaker 1: money that they could possibly offer and come here and

450
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Speaker 1: win a ring on the way out Riha Nite with

451
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Speaker 1: Sean and Winn rang out. That's the sales pitch here.

452
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Speaker 1: I think he can get more money other places. And

453
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Speaker 1: I think if you're Cam Jordan, you got to decide

454
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Speaker 1: at this point in your career do I want the

455
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Speaker 1: do I want to try for the ring? Or do

456
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Speaker 1: I want the last big paycheck that I can get?

457
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know. I mean it's a feel good story,

458
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Speaker 2: but it's also why why mess with the chemistry? In

459
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Speaker 2: my opinion, I mean, I mean, where would he fit

460
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Speaker 2: in the rotation? I JFM spot Yes, So I mean

461
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Speaker 2: do you trust Savian Jones or do you trust Cam Jordan?

462
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Speaker 3: More?

463
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Speaker 2: On paper, I think more people are saying I think

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Speaker 2: I trust Cam Jordan. Yeah, I suppose I suppose he's

465
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Speaker 2: what year is this for him?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Good lord?

467
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Speaker 2: Thirteen? I mean he's in his late thirties. Yeah, I mean,

468
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Speaker 2: you know Sean well, he knows what he's asking very well.

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Speaker 2: I just, you know, I think this is a very

470
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Speaker 2: It's a young team. Do you need a need an

471
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Speaker 2: older player like that? With that kind of I wouldn't

472
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Speaker 2: do it. I personally wouldn't do it. Cam Jordan's thirty

473
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Speaker 2: six years old.

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Speaker 4: How many years?

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Speaker 1: Currently he is thirty six years old and he will

476
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Speaker 1: be thirty seven years.

477
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Speaker 2: Old in July.

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Speaker 4: How many years he came?

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Speaker 1: He's a first round draft pick in twenty eleven, so

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Speaker 1: this is twenty six fifteen years Yeah, yeah, So there

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Speaker 1: you go.

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Speaker 3: And he played he played obviously for Sean Payton. But

483
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Speaker 3: we have seen I don't, I don't know either way.

484
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Speaker 3: We have seen players over the years that have had

485
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Speaker 3: great careers that played for a particular head coach, and

486
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Speaker 3: some of those guys love that head coach, and other guys,

487
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Speaker 3: if they had to run it back, might think twice

488
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Speaker 3: about it.

489
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't know the relationship between Sean and Cam Jordan,

491
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Speaker 3: but I think it would be interesting. I think it

492
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Speaker 3: would be something that I would have an interest in

493
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Speaker 3: if I'm the broncos if I could get him for

494
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Speaker 3: the right price, unless unless I think saveon Jones based

495
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Speaker 3: on what I've seen in practice and on film, the

496
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Speaker 3: little bit that he played like this dude is ready

497
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Speaker 3: to bust out. And also the oas Rique figures in.

498
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Speaker 3: I think with the JFM now gone, even.

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Speaker 2: More interesting story there.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Cam Jordan had ten and a

501
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Speaker 1: half sacks last year in a career resurgence at thirty

502
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Speaker 1: six years old in that brand and stay system.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a Rique thing. It's so wild to me.

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Speaker 2: It came out of Iowa State with a lot of promise.

505
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Speaker 2: The city has.

506
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Speaker 1: Popped for gambling on the premises despite a problem gambler.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so he needs to get that number. There's there

508
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Speaker 5: are signs everywhere.

509
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Speaker 2: There used to be there were signs everywhere about to

510
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Speaker 2: get don't gamble on the property.

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Speaker 5: He had the little tape up in the locker room.

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Speaker 2: He was injured at the time though, right, I think so.

513
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Speaker 2: I think he was rehabbing, But still there are sometimes

514
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Speaker 2: saying that's an excuse. But you know, you can see

515
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Speaker 2: how the mind might wander there. When you get hurt

516
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Speaker 2: and you're on injured reserve, you feel alone. There's a depression,

517
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Speaker 2: you're you don't talk to your teammates, you're not in

518
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Speaker 2: the meetings, coaches don't talk to you. You're sitting there

519
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Speaker 2: on your phone, which that process needs to be fixed.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, they're not talking to you, know how those rules are.

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Speaker 2: They've got to fix that. It's stupid at this point.

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Speaker 2: It's archaic gets stupid. Well, I mean, they have a

523
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Speaker 2: pretty involved rehab program for you, so you get there

524
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Speaker 2: at eight and you're there till noon rehabit or whatever

525
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Speaker 2: it is. And so it's not and they can't. They're

526
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Speaker 2: dealing with the active players. They're dealing with the guys

527
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Speaker 2: who are ready to play, and then when they have

528
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Speaker 2: some extra time, then then they want to deal with

529
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Speaker 2: the injured reserve guys. So it's more of a time

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Speaker 2: management thing for the medical training staff, you know what

531
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Speaker 2: I mean. But I agree with you. They need to

532
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Speaker 2: find a way to integrate these guys and make them

533
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Speaker 2: feel part of the team because I spent you know,

534
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Speaker 2: I had six years here and three of them ended

535
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Speaker 2: on IR and it was brutal. Man it was like

536
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Speaker 2: you go from being one of the guys and everybody's talking.

537
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Speaker 2: You know, you're talking to your coaches every day you're

538
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Speaker 2: out there, and then all of a sudden, boom alone

539
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Speaker 2: and you're just walking solitary into the shower. You're showering

540
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Speaker 2: by yourself, you're walking to your car by yourself. You're

541
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Speaker 2: not on that schedule, and it's a pretty it's a shock.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be the point where you'd need your teammates

543
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Speaker 1: the most when you're dealing with having to go through

544
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Speaker 1: an injury like that a season ender.

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Speaker 4: It's the NFL. It's just how the NFL is set up.

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Speaker 3: And I think Nate's right in terms of a time

547
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Speaker 3: management situation for the training stet. Their goal is to

548
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Speaker 3: make sure that they get the guys that are currently

549
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Speaker 3: playing able to play as quickly as they can and

550
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Speaker 3: battle through whatever type injuries they have. But it's part

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Speaker 3: part of it is I think depending on the injury,

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Speaker 3: I mean, they want you to feel pressure to get back,

553
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Speaker 3: and for especially for young players that are nicked up

554
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Speaker 3: and maybe you've got a you know, high ankle sprain

555
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Speaker 3: or whatever. I mean, you you honestly you can feel

556
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Speaker 3: the pressure from the organization, even from your coaches, like

557
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Speaker 3: your position coach at times.

558
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Speaker 2: Just with what he says or what he doesn't say.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a completely different type of interaction. And I

560
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Speaker 3: think they do it on purpose with respect to a

561
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Speaker 3: player when he's injured.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he used to be the injured reserve. Once

563
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Speaker 2: you're on IR, you're not coming off that list. Your

564
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Speaker 2: season is done, so they would not even look at you.

565
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Speaker 2: You're not even on their radar. But but now guys

566
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Speaker 2: can come off of R and you know, if it's

567
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Speaker 2: not injured reserve and it's a four week injury, you're

568
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Speaker 2: still involved to an extent. But Dave's right about the

569
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Speaker 2: pressure because every day, you know your head, a trainer

570
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Speaker 2: is going up and talking to the coach and coaches like, well,

571
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Speaker 2: where's Ben Is he ready? Because you said three weeks.

572
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Speaker 2: It's been three weeks. He's not ready yet, yeah, and

573
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Speaker 2: so and so, you know, the trainer goes down and

574
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Speaker 2: puts pressure on you and starts to make you understand that, hey,

575
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Speaker 2: how's it feeling. You know, we're thinking about giving it

576
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Speaker 2: to go tomorrow. Maybe individuals, you know, you think we

577
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Speaker 2: could try that, and you're jury where is you hurt? Yeah, exactly,

578
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Speaker 2: and so so you got to get out there because

579
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Speaker 2: you know that if you don't, there's a guy behind

580
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Speaker 2: you who who can permanently supplant you there. Yeah, it's I.

581
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Speaker 1: Got injured exactly one time in the army and it

582
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Speaker 1: was the most embarrassing thing, like when you have to

583
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Speaker 1: go with the remedial PT group. It was just the

584
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Speaker 1: most humiliating experience.

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Speaker 2: What happened, I mean much horsemill, Yeah, obviously that was no.

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Speaker 1: I we had the runs, you know, we've run out there,

587
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Speaker 1: and so I was a bart and field in at

588
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Speaker 1: for Gordon, Georgia, and they got to sleek red sand

589
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Speaker 1: and clay sort of track down there, and I rolled

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Speaker 1: an ankle, I mean it rolled pretty significantly, and the

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Speaker 1: next day, you know, couldn't run. Had to be out

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Speaker 1: there doing these stupid little exercises. They're they're air quotes exercis.

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Speaker 1: And it was the most humiliating thing of my life.

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Speaker 2: And so I pushed myself to get back much much

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Speaker 2: faster than I should have, just because the remedial PT

596
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Speaker 2: that you know, which I can't use some of the

597
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Speaker 2: words that we use on the air to describe that

598
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Speaker 2: group but it was humiliating. Is it the same way

599
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Speaker 2: when you're when you're hurting the pros? Yeah, I mean

600
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Speaker 2: your entire self worth has the professional athlete is what

601
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Speaker 2: you do on the field or on the court, or

602
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Speaker 2: on the ice or whatever wherever you play. And so

603
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Speaker 2: when all of a sudden your body fails, something snaps,

604
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Speaker 2: something breaks, something sprains, and you get pulled off the field,

605
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Speaker 2: your sense of identity and self forth goes out the window,

606
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Speaker 2: and you feel worthless. You feel like you are no

607
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Speaker 2: good to anyone. And you're sitting there watching your guys

608
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Speaker 2: go compete, watching your guys go through it together, laughing,

609
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Speaker 2: putting arms around each other coming off the field. They're sweating,

610
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Speaker 2: they're going through it, they're hurting, but they're doing it together.

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Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, you're apart from that. It's

612
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Speaker 2: a very isolating feeling.

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Speaker 3: I've told this story before. I broke my going into

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Speaker 3: my last year in Cleveland. Broke my ankle in a

615
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Speaker 3: charity basketball game and had surgery in like mid April,

616
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Speaker 3: put two screws in my ankle. So I was not

617
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Speaker 3: quite ready when training camp started, but I was out there,

618
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Speaker 3: you know, taped and just trying to trying to do

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Speaker 3: what I could do. Marty Schottenheimer, who I really had

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Speaker 3: a great relationship with.

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Speaker 4: Walking down walking down the.

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Speaker 3: Hill to go to practice, walks by me and looks

623
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Speaker 3: over and says, hey, I said, hey, coach, he goes,

624
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Speaker 3: didn't you used to be Dave Logan?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

626
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Speaker 2: Oh, brutal, oh Man, listen.

627
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Speaker 3: Devastating, But it illustrates the point that Nate that Nate

628
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Speaker 3: has made, and it's absolutely true. You feel and they

629
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Speaker 3: like it that way. You feel completely isolated from the team.

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Speaker 3: I can't be out there in the huddle when the

631
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Speaker 3: ones get called.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going. Somebody else has got my job.

633
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Speaker 4: Now.

634
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Speaker 3: I got the coach saying didn't you used to be

635
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Speaker 3: the guy that you know was out here all the time.

636
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Speaker 3: So that's I don't know any other way. I'd like

637
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Speaker 3: to think that it might change, but honestly, there's so

638
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Speaker 3: much pressure for players to be able to play through

639
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Speaker 3: injury and and guys are driven, guys want to be

640
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Speaker 3: out there. Oh yeah, I just don't know how if

641
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Speaker 3: they changed it. I don't know how they could change that.

642
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Speaker 5: And there're's been guys out there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've been through it.

644
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Speaker 1: kJ Hammler has talked about the mental toll that it

645
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Speaker 1: took on him for me broncos or see what the

646
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Speaker 1: bills that he was he was driving down the highway

647
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Speaker 1: and if it had been for the voice of his

648
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Speaker 1: grandmother in his ear at that time, he was considering

649
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Speaker 1: yanking the wheel and driving it into a you know,

650
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Speaker 1: into a bridge, like.

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Speaker 2: Rondillmore a couple of weeks ago in his life, and

652
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Speaker 2: he's a he's a player who's struggled with injury, a

653
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Speaker 2: ton of potential coming out of college, put huge numbers

654
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Speaker 2: as a freshman in college, and constantly disappointed by having

655
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Speaker 2: season ending injuries and letting people down and letting himself down.

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Speaker 2: Of course, you go through all that rehab, you go

657
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Speaker 2: through all that training, you go through all that to

658
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Speaker 2: come back, and then all of a sudden it happens again,

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Speaker 2: and it's a devastating thing, and you have to value yourself.

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Speaker 4: More than just who you are on the field. Big.

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Speaker 2: The most recent example fans could probably get behind would

662
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Speaker 2: be somebody like Tim Patrick who worked all that way

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Speaker 2: to get back, then he got hurt again after you

664
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 2: know after what back to back. Yeah, just just devastating

665
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 2: health problem. Also is you know for a guy like that,

666
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: a human being who's going through that. You you turn

667
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: on your phone after another one of your injuries, and

668
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: then there's just a bunch of people online, you know exactly,

669
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's it's about fantasy, and it's

670
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: about your value statistically, and it's not about you as

671
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: a person, and it can be it can really weigh

672
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: on these guys. I mean I never had to deal

673
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 2: with the internet when I played, and Dave didn't either.

674
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: But these guys now, whatever they do, whatever kind of

675
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 2: game they do have, they're human beings. They look at

676
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: Twitter or whatever and they absorb that, and you're you

677
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: gravitate towards the negative comments. You know about that.

678
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 5: I'm familiar with negative comments from Twitter.

679
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: You actually grow bigger and stronger from them, That's what

680
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: they tell me.

681
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: You know, it may be wasting me away to a

682
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: race at this point, but there is I mean, there

683
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 1: isn't a component there. And even more so now, I

684
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: think that the league has gotten in bed with the

685
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: sports books because you've got these guys online directly sending

686
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: messages to players who they don't have. More act says

687
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: too than ever, talking about how you just cost me

688
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: a parlay. You cost me my kids college scout. You

689
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: should have been betting that in the first place. But

690
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, you've got guys on

691
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: there that they're threatening athletes. I've seen some of the

692
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: DMS people threatening athletes because they they went down to

693
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: a freak injury and it cost them a bet. Yeah, Like,

694
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Speaker 1: first of all, how do you have the audacity to

695
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: do the If you're betting money, that's on you, not

696
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: the player. But you know, I mean, if you're a

697
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: player these days, there's an additional component to this where

698
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: you have to have your family's security in mind, because

699
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: one of these whack jobs that goes out there and

700
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: puts a hefty bet on something and then some guy

701
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: gets a freak accident, gets hurt, and now your bet

702
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: doesn't cash.

703
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: You got that on top of it all.

704
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: You know how you said, how do they have the

705
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 3: audacity to do that? You know the answer to that,

706
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: I mean they can do it because nobody knows who

707
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: they are. Yeah, you again, on social media, you can

708
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: basically say anything about anybody, Oh nobody, There's no consequence

709
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: at all.

710
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's I think if I were.

711
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: Playing today, I think you'd have to get to the

712
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: point where you just don't look at it, you just

713
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 3: don't look at social media.

714
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: Now it's hard, it's impossible. I have to go like,

715
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: I'm not an athlete.

716
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: I've known athletes delete their Twitter account, they literally delete

717
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 3: their social bone.

718
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 4: Nix is one of them.

719
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Speaker 1: I think that's the best thing you can do. The

720
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: day I'm out of this industry. I promise you I'm

721
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: doing it. Are you sure percent? You are kind of

722
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: like it? Do you promise? I think you like it?

723
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 4: Well?

724
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: I mean there is a MoMA said, never wrestled a pig,

725
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: right because everybody gets money off the pig likes it,

726
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: and I'm the pig.

727
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 5: But I mean, I'm not an athlete.

728
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: And the people with six years ago, we had this

729
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: thing where these dudes were trying to say I'd faked

730
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: my entire life and my background, and I still have

731
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: to deal with fallout for that.

732
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: Even though I posted my records, people are still saying that,

733
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: like the military, it wasn't in the army.

734
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: I didn't do this, I didn't do that.

735
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 5: All these kinds.

736
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Speaker 2: I've posted academic records, I posted you know, I've got

737
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: pictures from high school yearbooks. I'm like, I don't know

738
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: what else to do. At this point, I had I

739
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: had to post half my military records out there because

740
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: people were were claiming that I, you know, that I

741
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: had done I had known this, and.

742
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 4: That's what I mean. I mean, there's no consequence and

743
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 4: I'm nobody like.

744
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 5: You get an that you guys were in the league.

745
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: At least there's something to do that I'm not think

746
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: the best example of it is Alex Singleton, who just

747
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: got a you know, a deserving new contract, right and

748
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: then he has to open up the phone and see

749
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: all these people you saw that, dude. I posted some

750
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: of them like I was like, dude, you guys. You

751
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: guys had videos of the planes hitting the towers with

752
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: the this is the Brocos resigning Alex Singleton and.

753
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 5: I'm like, what are we doing here?

754
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: And this guy we just talked about how tough he is.

755
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: He played, you know, the week after cancer surgery, plays

756
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: through an a c l leads the team and tackles

757
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: and still to face that sort of online hate after

758
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: a great moment for him and his family. It's it's

759
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: sad that these guys have to deal with an as

760
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: a head coach. I don't know how you would deal that.

761
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: You know, you encourage players. I would to delete it.

762
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: Delete it, man, try to stay off of it and

763
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: don't engage. Don't respond if you can, but it's hard

764
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: not to. Nine seven other segment is great but hypocritical

765
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: with how bad Albright constantly takes shots at players. It's

766
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: not a thing that happens.

767
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 5: Do you like?

768
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I have made a couple of jokes about

769
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: Troy Franklin and catching the ball.

770
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: I have. I will admit that you right.

771
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question, because there's people out

772
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: here that are hoping that I would pose this to you.

773
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: Do you think you could go put a helmet on

774
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: out and catch a ball in an NFL game?

775
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: Could I catch a ball?

776
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if I could catch a ball, I'd get destroyed,

777
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: walkall like.

778
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: You'd run like a basic route over the middle. I mean,

779
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just saying.

780
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: I meaning else if in fact, you have to do

781
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: reps in an NFL football game, let's be let's be clear.

782
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: On the balls that Troy Franklin dropped, you think you

783
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: could have caught those guys?

784
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been within twenty yards of where the

785
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: ball was to catch it to begin with.

786
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: Although I do think honestly it's I think it's the

787
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: way maybe that people say it, because there there were

788
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: times where, you know, Troy Franklin's got to be better

789
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: catching the ball.

790
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean. I mean that.

791
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's an You got to be able

792
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: to catch the ball over the shoulder. In the NFL,

793
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: you just do. You can't just flash the numbers back.

794
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: But at the same time, like and I have to

795
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: criticize that because that's what this job is.

796
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 6: But yeah, I have of style with which I guess

797
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 6: it's how you say the difference between me and those

798
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 6: people's I'm fine with them taking a run at me too,

799
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 6: because there are times where I deserve it, you know,

800
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 6: Like I came up in roast culture, So I am

801
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 6: totally fine with people flaming me versus you know, you.

802
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: Mean you came up in roast culture. Well you know

803
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: what I mean, like for your family's all, you know,

804
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: you know, taking shots at each other all the time,

805
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like roast like you would

806
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: get at Yeah, you know, I came up with I

807
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: came up with that culture, like I'm I'm okay with

808
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: that head on a swivel. Well, a locker room is

809
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: rose culture to making fun. Yeah, I think what Dave

810
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: was saying is the anonymity of the Internet and people

811
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: who are allowed to take shots at you, who you'll

812
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 2: never see in person, who you don't know who they are,

813
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: and you know they might be. I'm not saying it's

814
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: bad to be five seven and thirty pounds, but if

815
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: you are, but thank you for a nd. These athletes

816
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 2: are the best athletes on the planet.

817
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: And the difference is I put my name on it, no,

818
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: I face on it, and I have to walk in

819
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: that locker room like I've had Jack Kjack did put

820
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: the arm around me.

821
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: It was like listen, buddy man.

822
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, fair enough.

823
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: Is that the only heat you face from from players?

824
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: I've gotten one or two tweets over the years, like

825
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: what I mean that a literal like one or two.

826
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: Most of these guys are fine with it. They chuckle

827
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: with it, or they'll they'll DM me and they'll be

828
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: like yo, and then we have a fine conversation. It's fine.

829
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

830
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: So anyway, we had a break, we'll be back into

831
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Speaker 2: this