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Speaker 2: You Breed Love Millan joining us, And now to talk

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Speaker 2: a little Seahawks Atlanta Falcons. Our friend John Michaels from

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Speaker 2: Atlanta eight sixty excuse me six point eighty the fan, John,

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Speaker 2: How you doing?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 4: Doing fantastic? Getting ready for a great weekend of college football?

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Speaker 4: And then I guess I have to watch the Falcons

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Speaker 4: because we're here.

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Speaker 5: Yes you do. Let's let's start with college football.

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Speaker 2: As I was talking to Mark James, you and he

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Speaker 2: commiserating over Miami, I'm with you, guys, Will I will

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Speaker 2: fully admit I believe Miami should be in. But what

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Speaker 2: do you think are the chances of your beloved Canes

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Speaker 2: jumping Notre Dame at what? At noon on Sunday when

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Speaker 2: the final poll scart final rankings come out?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You know I would love to say, I like the

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Speaker 4: chance of us getting in there, but what I've seen

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Speaker 4: with this committee is to expect absolutely nothing. And if

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Speaker 4: the names were flip flopped and Notre Dame was at

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Speaker 4: twelve and Miami was at ten, I'd probably feel just

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Speaker 4: as bad about Miami being jumped. It's the most ridiculous

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Speaker 4: thing I have ever seen that a team. And I

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Speaker 4: was at the game on August thirty. First, I have

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Speaker 4: season tickets in Miami. I fly down. I watched us

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Speaker 4: physically beat the hell out of Notre Dame on August

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Speaker 4: thirty first. Good game. I take nothing against the IRA

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Speaker 4: from the Irish. I think they're a worthy playoff team,

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Speaker 4: just not at the expense of Miami. Because if you

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Speaker 4: look across the top ten, you have Georgia over ol Miss,

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Speaker 4: you have Oklahoma over Alabama, you have Texas with three

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Speaker 4: losses over Vandy. Why are all those three teams in

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Speaker 4: front of the other team because they beat them head

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Speaker 4: to head. Yet the only case is MIAAMMI not over

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Speaker 4: Notre Dame. And we hear all these metrics and analytics

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Speaker 4: dorks want to tell us what hypothetically could happen. Miami's

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Speaker 4: better and they deserve to be there and committee for

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Speaker 4: the love you better let us in.

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Speaker 7: Well, John, let's shift to those those falcons that are

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Speaker 7: hurting your eyeballs. But let's start with a little bit

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Speaker 7: of a local angle. Michael Pennix was thought to be

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Speaker 7: the guy for this year. It's obviously been disappointing with

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Speaker 7: the injury and what have you. But just for our

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Speaker 7: Seattle audience, give us a take on what Michael Pennix was,

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Speaker 7: what the feeling was about him, and then of course

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Speaker 7: with the injury and leading into Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 4: Man, it's to say right now, it feels like the

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Speaker 4: one word answer would be disappointment. I am one and

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Speaker 4: I loved Michael Pennis at Washington, watching him throw the

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Speaker 4: had when he was at you Dub, you know, seeing

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Speaker 4: the way that that kid could stand in the pocket

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Speaker 4: a little bit. I know, you know, he wasn't Jaydon

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Speaker 4: just didn't match. And I think part of it has

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Speaker 4: hired at Oklahoma State. He didn't. You know, I don't

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Speaker 4: think Raheem Morris is very good as a coach, and

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Speaker 4: I think Michael Pennix kind of got caught up in

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Speaker 4: Just disappointed that Michael hadn't kind of manifested to as

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Speaker 2: You mentioned hasn't been coach great, and as you were

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and remember the twenty twenty year he was actually

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Speaker 4: It was terrible time management, not using timeouts, you know,

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Speaker 4: to me, Raheem Morris would be done. He would get

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Speaker 4: just don't think he's a very good coach. I think

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Speaker 4: and not head coaches, and I think that's where Raheem

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Speaker 4: The Falcons were supposed to win this division if you

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Speaker 4: or at least sit and fight. They've now been passed by,

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Speaker 7: Then, on the offensive side of the ball, with the coaching,

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Speaker 7: we'd heard reports that Michael Pennick said that he didn't

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Speaker 7: the club has responded to just kind of obviously that

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Speaker 7: the chain of command there. But what about that story

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we absolutely ran without a bunch. When Michael Penis

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Speaker 4: that was the game. I think it was twenty one

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Speaker 4: the offense has struggled. And it doesn't feel like Michael

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Speaker 4: don't think Zach Robinson's cut out to be an offensive

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Speaker 4: the fact that as soon as Kirk Cousins came in

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Speaker 4: the play action passes working. Now we're hearing that maybe

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Speaker 4: Michael Pennis is incapable of taking the ball from under center.

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Speaker 4: I've called that out because I saw games that you

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Speaker 4: dub and I get it. He was in the shotgun

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Speaker 4: a lot under Ryan Grubb, but there were times he

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Speaker 4: got under center and he could run play action that

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Speaker 4: was fine. I think they're just a dysfunctional mess, and

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Speaker 4: unfortunately for Michael, he's one that's caught up in the

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Speaker 4: mix of bad coaching, a terrible organization right now, and

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Speaker 4: basically we're the Jets of the South.

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Speaker 5: I wish John was a little more opinionated, Hugh, don't

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Speaker 5: you think you know?

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Speaker 2: He's just so much so milk toast with his takes. John,

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Speaker 2: Michael's joining us six eight to the fan in Atlanta.

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Speaker 5: John, let me be glass half full. Falcons guy.

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Speaker 2: For a second, Hey, John, if a couple of plays

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Speaker 2: go differently in the last month, this team six and

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Speaker 2: yet they're one and four in those games. So is

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Speaker 2: this a six and six team masquerading as a four

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Speaker 2: and eight team? And why aren't they closing these games

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Speaker 2: that are so close in the end.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna steal the quote. You are

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Speaker 4: what your record says you are. Should they be better? Absolutely?

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Speaker 4: You've got a stud in Vijon Robinson when healthy. Drake

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Speaker 4: on the sidelines with Raheem Morris. Normally I would give

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Speaker 4: a team the benefit of the doubt. You know, hey,

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Speaker 4: we did lose a bunch of close games early in

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Speaker 4: be eight straight years the Falcons have finished below five

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Speaker 4: going to mean we turn our attention to Georgia football

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Speaker 4: and we start looking ahead to the Braves. And I

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Speaker 4: don't think anybody that has an NFL team in their

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Speaker 4: to have the glass half full with them. Unfortunately, you know,

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Speaker 4: I did sidelines for the team all the way through

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Speaker 4: the twenty tour through the twenty nineteen season. They have

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Speaker 4: not made the postseason since then. They haven't been particularly

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Speaker 4: we're going to make up for everything that's happened over

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Speaker 4: they're a way below five hundred team. I fully expect

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Speaker 4: them to get their bus whip this year this week,

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Speaker 4: and there's going to be a lot of the twelfth

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Speaker 4: Sunday will be at home, probably sitting watching the Selection show,

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Speaker 7: Well, John, give us a breakdown maybe on each side

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Speaker 7: As you said, a game away from elimination, it appears

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Speaker 7: Is it hard for the Falcons to get motivated this Sunday?

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Speaker 7: We know they can. You know that Buffalo game kind

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Speaker 4: Fountains game had so little buzz, and I know it

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Speaker 4: I challenge you guys, watch the SEC Championship game Saturday

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Speaker 4: vote with your wallet and don't show up. Apathy is

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 4: I know there's guys in this on this team that

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Speaker 2: Well, there we go. That sounds like a good weekend.

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Speaker 2: The Canes make the play the playoff and then the

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Speaker 5: So you're happy.

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Speaker 2: We're happy because you don't care much about the Falcons

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Speaker 5: They do the rest of the year. And we're all good.

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Speaker 5: So thanks John, we appreciate it. Man, have a good weekend.

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Speaker 4: Hey anytime.

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Speaker 5: Thanks guys, John Michaels.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we've been very fortunate in this town

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of Major League Baseball cities that have

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Speaker 5: For six months, we were not one of them.

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Speaker 2: There are quite a few NFL cities that have big

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Speaker 2: So let's embrace it while we got it. When we

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Speaker 8: Right now, Jackson, Let's just tease it as a major,

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Speaker 2: It is happening. We'll talk about next on ninety three

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Speaker 2: Well less than three hundred and sixty five days ago,

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Speaker 7: My first thoughts, I don't know how many more kicks

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Speaker 2: It's like, like Hugh said, and enough is enough. And

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Speaker 7: and in this case of coaches role, where you have

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Speaker 7: individual goals but then around a team construct. And why

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Speaker 7: did the Pac twelve break up? Because USC and UCLA

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Speaker 7: finally started thinking like Notre Dame and said, hey, what's

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Speaker 7: in it for us? I'm tired of being a socialist

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Speaker 7: here in a capitalist, free market system. And so I

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Speaker 7: think there's just themes that seem to transcend sports. But

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Speaker 7: I don't know, let me know what Ian's on you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's ready to go.

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Speaker 2: And I think there's a lot of Cougar fans out

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Speaker 2: there listening that probably don't want to hear a couple

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Speaker 2: of Huskies talk about the Cougars losing their head coach

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Speaker 2: to Iowa State, so we thought we'd actually bring the

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Speaker 2: head koog on at least headko Get this radio station,

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Speaker 2: Ian Fornest joining us right now. Ian, your thoughts on

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Rodgers after one season of what I thought was

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Speaker 2: a pretty darn good job at Washington State moving on

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Speaker 2: to Iowa State.

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Speaker 9: Wait a second, I thought we were talking Seattle politics.

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Speaker 9: I thought we were talking about our new mayor. I

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Speaker 9: heard socialism talk coming up. I hear I heard something

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Speaker 9: about socialism. I go, I will be talking about mayor

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Speaker 9: Katie there.

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Speaker 11: What are you doing? What's going on?

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Speaker 9: God?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man.

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Speaker 11: I mean college football sucks.

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Speaker 9: I mean that's my favorite sport, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 9: like in terms of just being a fan, it's my

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Speaker 9: favorite sport.

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Speaker 11: I love it. It sucks.

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Speaker 9: Calendar screwed up everything about It's messed up right now,

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Speaker 9: They've got to fix the calendar. This is exactly why

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Speaker 9: you have forty eight hours removed from a recruiting cycle

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Speaker 9: and a signing day situation, and a coach leaves not

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Speaker 9: just here, but a coach leaves Iowa State, right, So like, like,

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Speaker 9: I mean, it's not just that I mean I would

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Speaker 9: state it will be fine.

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Speaker 11: They get Jimmy, I guess if they like to lose

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Speaker 11: games late, they'll be okay.

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Speaker 9: But you know, he's got the Jake Dickard DNA and

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Speaker 9: don't even though they didn't coach together. But no, I mean,

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Speaker 9: it's just it's it's disappointing. We don't have an athletic

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Speaker 9: director over there right now. Hell, we didn't have enough

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Speaker 9: athletic director before the guy went to wherever he's at

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Speaker 9: right now. I mean he fell asleep at the wheel

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Speaker 9: with Kyle Smith. We did not for an extension and

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Speaker 9: and then now we don't have an athletic director that

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Speaker 9: that could have at least like you know, got involved.

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Speaker 9: Maybe with Jimmy Rodgers, probably not. I mean, you're going

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Speaker 9: to the Big twelve, you're going to a power for conference school.

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Speaker 11: But yeah, it's just just disappointing. Man, it's just just

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Speaker 11: massively disappointing two years in a row, losing a head coach.

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Speaker 9: And it's amazing that six and six and mediocrity and

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Speaker 9: average gets you a promotion in today's world.

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Speaker 11: I need to find a career that gives us that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I'm curious from your perspective in the search

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Speaker 7: for a coach, Is there any way that you can

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Speaker 7: kind of try and and meet out, uh, you know,

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Speaker 7: those who are likely to be more loyal and stay

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Speaker 7: versus those that are that are eager to climb in

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Speaker 7: this regard. I mean, do you think that that the

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Speaker 7: Cougar brain trusts and those responsible for this are are shocked,

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Speaker 7: they're surprised, or was this something Okay, we we kind

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Speaker 7: of in our mind we're ready for this, and whether

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Speaker 7: it happened this year or the next year, we're just

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Speaker 7: gonna roll on to the next guy. I mean, what's

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Speaker 7: the strategy moving forward here?

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Speaker 11: This is stunning.

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Speaker 9: This is a guy that was at South Dakota State

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Speaker 9: as a player, as a grad assistant, as a head coach. Uh,

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Speaker 9: small town guy felt like he said what Pullman was

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Speaker 9: was there for one year? The thought would be listen

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Speaker 9: and a couple of two or I just had this

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Speaker 9: conversation with Alex Brink the other day, like this is

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Speaker 9: a this is a guy that you just fits everything

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Speaker 9: you think would be.

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Speaker 11: Pullman and small school land Grant School, and he.

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Speaker 9: Would be there for a few years and you know

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Speaker 9: what when he leaves at some point Alex had a

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Speaker 9: great point. At some point, every coach leaves unless you're

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Speaker 9: at probably now Ohio State and Alabama, I don't know

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Speaker 9: anyplace else. I mean, you guys went to the dam

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Speaker 9: National Championship game and your coach left, Like every coach leaves,

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Speaker 9: you live with that every coach leaves. But this is

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Speaker 9: a guy that fits the mo of staying in a

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Speaker 9: place that is, you know, everything that he's kind of about.

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Speaker 9: So when he leaves in three or four years, hell,

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Speaker 9: we probably won the pack the new Pac twelve title,

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Speaker 9: a couple two, two or three times things are good

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Speaker 9: and he leaves. You know, this is just a case

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Speaker 9: of a guy. He's there for one year. The athletic

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Speaker 9: director that hired him is no longer there. She got fired.

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Speaker 9: They don't have an athletic director. There's a lack of

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Speaker 9: leadership there right now in the athletic department. Now, I

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Speaker 9: love our new president, by the way, President Cantwell. She

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Speaker 9: is a ball buster and I like her, but she's

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Speaker 9: got a big job to do. But with no athletic

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Speaker 9: director in place. And it's here's craziness is though Matt

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Speaker 9: Campbell took that job four hours.

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Speaker 11: Ago at Penn state.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he took that job.

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Speaker 9: Like, I've never had a job where I interviewed and

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Speaker 9: was hired within two or three hours?

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Speaker 5: Have you known?

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Speaker 9: And I certainly never had a job where I got

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Speaker 9: hired two or three hours later and it was making

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Speaker 9: seven figures. So like, that's how, that's how screwed up

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Speaker 9: this world is that we're living in right now with

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Speaker 9: college football and he do it. I don't know, man,

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Speaker 9: I can't. I can't relate to it because you know,

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Speaker 9: and you guys both know me I and I think

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Speaker 9: you guys follow in the same category. I'm a little

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Speaker 9: bit loyal, and I think I couldn't do that to

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Speaker 9: kids like you just signed kids forty eight hours ago, man,

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Speaker 9: forty eight hours ago. And those kids you signed, those

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Speaker 9: kids aren't going to a power Fork school, right, They're

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Speaker 9: all two and three star guys.

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Speaker 5: Yep, yep. They're not making a million dollars next year.

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Speaker 11: No, And so but I get it. He's doing it

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Speaker 11: for his family to make money. Good.

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Speaker 9: Go go go, Jimmy. You know, Jimmy, go. Do you

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Speaker 9: what really screwed us last year? To be honest with you, well,

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Speaker 9: I'll go back. Basketball killed us. A couple of years ago,

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Speaker 9: Kyle Smith takes a team to the tournament. Never once

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Speaker 9: was the athletic director. That's no longer our school, and

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Speaker 9: he might be somewhere else.

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Speaker 11: Dick you might know who he is.

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Speaker 9: Never once did that guy offer him a contract extension

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Speaker 9: to even even just offer it to him, say hey, listen,

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Speaker 9: you can sign it and get out, but at least

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Speaker 9: we'll protect the school and get money on the backside, right,

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Speaker 9: I have a buyout. Never once did that happen. So

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Speaker 9: we had that guy fall asleep at the wheel there.

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Speaker 9: Now we lose an athletic director. Last year or this year.

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Speaker 9: They fired Anne McCoy, which is fine, she we.

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Speaker 11: Needed to upgrade in that regard. I get its fundraising thing.

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Speaker 11: But with no athletic director in place, this happens today.

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Speaker 9: And oh, by the way, last year, when Jake Dickard left,

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Speaker 9: he even though he was interviewing during the bye week

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Speaker 9: in October with Wake Forest when their coach announced he

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Speaker 9: wasn't coming back. Even though he did that fundamentally quit

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Speaker 9: on the team. As it our buckle and I hope

578
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Speaker 9: Oklahoma is enjoying how their offense with him and my

579
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Speaker 9: tier looking right now. But even though those guys did that.

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Speaker 9: We we waited because Dicker didn't get the job or

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Speaker 9: take the job until after the Idaho coach Jason Eck

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Speaker 9: had already taken the job at New Mexico in a

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Speaker 9: week or two later. He's got Jason Eck was the

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Speaker 9: perfect coach for Pullman, perfect coach.

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Speaker 11: And look what he's.

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Speaker 9: In in New Mexico this year. And they missed that

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Speaker 9: on that. Now, maybe you go get him this year.

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Speaker 9: Maybe you could go do that because it's here's a

589
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Speaker 9: funny thing. There's unless again you're Alabama, Ohiose State, there's

590
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Speaker 9: always a step up, right, and the Mountain West without

591
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Speaker 9: Boise State and everybody else, you're.

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Speaker 11: A wor a step up.

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Speaker 9: But I don't know, man, It's it's just I'm disappointed

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Speaker 9: college football. I'm I'm just disappointed in the calendar. Fix it,

595
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Speaker 9: sak it up like the NFL did. The great philosopher

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Speaker 9: soft He had had the perfect answer, and others have to.

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Speaker 9: Just you don't need springs football. You and I, you

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Speaker 9: and I talk brother's on Monday. You know spring football.

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Speaker 7: I The calendar wouldn't have helped you on this one.

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Speaker 9: No, here's the thing. What would have helped though, is

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Speaker 9: is if if the situation of recruiting and and all that, yes,

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Speaker 9: that would have that would have been different, right in

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Speaker 9: the portal and everything, Like you.

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Speaker 11: Screw the kids in the process.

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Speaker 9: Guys, you're screwing the kids, not just not just us

606
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Speaker 9: as fans, just screwing the kids. I always stay screwed.

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Speaker 9: Our guys are screwed. Whoever Wazoo gets their kids are screwed.

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Speaker 9: And you know, like like I don't think we should

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Speaker 9: play in a bowl game, Like why.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, would playing a blame at this point?

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Speaker 9: Well it would be two years in row playing with

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Speaker 9: an infim coach, Like why would you even do that?

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Speaker 9: So yeah, it's just it's it's what a world we

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Speaker 9: live in, man. I I I belong to the days

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Speaker 9: along to the days of you know, Don James and

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Speaker 9: Terry Donna Hue and those guys saying at their schools

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Speaker 9: forever on the West Coast, you and along for those days. I.

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Speaker 2: I know it's not the way you wanted to start

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Speaker 2: your weekend. We appreciate you coming on though, and I

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Speaker 2: will leave you with a little chuckle that Jackson just

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Speaker 2: let me know that. In the press release, Iowa State

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Speaker 2: spelled Jimmy Rodgers name wrong.

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Speaker 5: So there you there you go. That that gives.

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Speaker 7: Eddy He's solace.

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Speaker 11: Iowa State is known as the Harvard of the Prairie.

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Speaker 5: Yes it is, Yes it is.

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Speaker 11: Thanks, not surprised.

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Speaker 9: Thanks, we're the Harvard. We're the Harvard of the police,

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Speaker 9: but they're the Harvard of the Prairie.

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Speaker 11: So well done. And you know what, Jimmy, screw you.

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Speaker 5: Thanks man, that's the inferness. Oh man, we got it.

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Speaker 2: We got to talk to Ian every year when his

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Speaker 2: coach leaves. It's unbelievable. Last year with Dickert, this year,

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Speaker 2: now with Jimmy Rodgers going to Iowa State. Fun with

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Speaker 2: Audio coming up next.

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Speaker 5: It's now time for something in Digg's Fun with Audio.

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Speaker 12: Jimmy ga Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo.

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Speaker 5: Now let's have some fun with audio. Oh, welcome back,

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Speaker 5: welcome back here until seven.

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Speaker 2: Our chat with Rick new Heisl come up in about

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Speaker 2: thirty minutes. We'll talk to him about the lane kiff

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Speaker 2: and move the evaluation of the Husky football season. As

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Speaker 2: Rick a proponent of the Big Ten Football playoff weekend

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Speaker 2: that could have happened this week had the rules been

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Speaker 2: in place. All that Todd Millis will join us final

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Speaker 2: segment of the show leading up to high school football

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Speaker 2: tonight on nine to fifty, kJ Ram Mike Benton will

648
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Speaker 2: have the call of Mount Tahome against Ode in the

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Speaker 2: three A State Championship. I'll have the call tomorrow with

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Speaker 2: Chris Kidd in the four A State Championship between Lake

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Speaker 2: Stevens and Summer.

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Speaker 5: But it's time now for a little bit of fun

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Speaker 5: with audio. Hey did you hear that? Hey, Hugh, did

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Speaker 5: you hear that? What's that?

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Speaker 11: Dick?

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Speaker 10: I hear the.

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Speaker 7: What's going on there?

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Speaker 5: Comeback there?

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Speaker 4: You?

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Speaker 5: Oh, I'm trying to face on you, ad. I'm like

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Speaker 5: Sam Darnold in the pocket.

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Speaker 7: Man, I can't keep two hands on the ball.

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Speaker 3: Last night, after the Cowboys lost in the Lions on

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Speaker 3: Thursday Night Football, Amazon Prime analyst Richard Sherman ripped Dallas

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Speaker 3: receiver George Pickens for his effort.

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Speaker 12: Bunch pickings throughout the game and especially late in the game,

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Speaker 12: just looked terested, uninterested in playing football, you know. And

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Speaker 12: that's what you can't have if you're gonna be a superstar,

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Speaker 12: if you want to be the best receiver in the

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Speaker 12: National Football League, you can ever be disengaged. It doesn't

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Speaker 12: matter if the game is going your way or not

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Speaker 12: going your way. You can't just disappear in these games

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Speaker 12: or else you're not going to have impact. And just

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Speaker 12: right here, cruising cruising routes, you're the guy. You're the guy.

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Speaker 12: Ceedee Lama's not in this game. He's out and you

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Speaker 12: get intercepted on your slant routes and you can't be

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Speaker 12: the guy in half assid. I'm sorry, it's just you can't.

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Speaker 12: It's unacceptable. And if you're the Dallas Cowboys and you're

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Speaker 12: looking at him and you're looking to pay him big

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Speaker 12: time receiver money forty million dollars, you gotta look at

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Speaker 12: this state and say, hey, is this a guy we

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Speaker 12: can trust paying forty million dollars to show up regardless

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Speaker 12: of circumstance.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: There are some guys that can rip other players and

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Speaker 2: they have legitimate legs to stand on. I think Richard

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Speaker 2: Sherman's one of those, because I don't ever remember Richard

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Speaker 2: Sherman dog in a play.

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Speaker 5: I think Richard Sherman played hard.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes he would yawn because he was so bored over

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Speaker 2: on one side that nobody could get open but I

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Speaker 2: don't ever remember him dogging to play Hugh.

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Speaker 7: Nor do I, and I agree with every word he said.

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Speaker 7: He speaks the truth. I mean, from a cowboy perspective,

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Speaker 7: this guy pickens, I mean the idea that he would

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Speaker 7: pass ceedee lamb. But then you want to know the

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Speaker 7: character of your highest paid players because the young guys

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Speaker 7: are going to look up to them. Your best players

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Speaker 7: are always your leaders. People think of the word leadership

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Speaker 7: a leader, and it has a positive connotation. Oh he's

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Speaker 7: a leader. Oh You'll just think, oh, that must be

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Speaker 7: he's a good leader. No, the best players are leaders,

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Speaker 7: and there are sometimes they are negative leaders and they

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Speaker 7: bring the room down. I'm not saying that he fits

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Speaker 7: that category, but Richard Sherman is right that the Cowboys

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Speaker 7: need to dive deep into that to say, hey, could

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Speaker 7: this be infectious? I mean, I played with the Cowboys

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Speaker 7: with Michael Irvin, who's the hardest working player was around,

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Speaker 7: and he had incredible impact on the entire locker room

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Speaker 7: because of that work ethics. So I think Richard Sherman

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Speaker 7: nailed that.

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Speaker 5: Heyhu, do you hear that? What's that did?

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Speaker 2: ESPN's Chris Fowler joined Dan Patrick for an interview this

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Speaker 2: week and insisted that his network with the Big four

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Speaker 2: Letters plays no part in the college football selection process

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Speaker 2: and getting to the big getting the biggest brands into

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Speaker 2: the bracket.

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Speaker 7: How much does brand play in this?

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Speaker 9: Do you think in the minds of the committee that

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Speaker 9: Notre Dame's brand?

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Speaker 11: How important is that?

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Speaker 6: He asked your viewers. They would say, it's everything. I mean,

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Speaker 6: the ESPN's pulling the strings. We went the biggest brands.

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Speaker 6: I promise you we have played no part in that.

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Speaker 6: And I don't know in the committee's mind if it

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Speaker 6: plays a part. People just sort of assume that Notre

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Speaker 6: Dame is an elite program. When they have ten wins,

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Speaker 6: it must be a really great team.

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Speaker 11: But I think you'd have to.

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Speaker 6: Go member my member and and really get them to

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Speaker 6: give them some truth serum and ask them if it matters.

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Speaker 6: You're never gonna like dissuade the conspiracy theorists because they're everywhere.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's a fair response.

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Speaker 2: I think we all want to believe that, you know,

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Speaker 2: big bad ESPN has got all the control over everything.

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Speaker 2: But you know, honestly, if it was all about the

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Speaker 2: big brands, would sm you been the eleven Seed instead

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Speaker 2: of Alabama last year.

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Speaker 5: No, they would. It was if it was ESPN pulling

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Speaker 5: the sprint strings.

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Speaker 2: Alabama would have played Penn State in the first round

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Speaker 2: last year instead of SMU play in Penn State. And

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Speaker 2: you know what, I thought Alabama should have played Penn

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Speaker 2: State because I know I knew before the game they

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Speaker 2: would give Penn State a better game. And guess what

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Speaker 2: they would SMU lost thirty eight to ten. Hugh.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I agree with you, And I think if

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Speaker 7: you said, Okay, I'm going to operate from the premise

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Speaker 7: I know that there is a conspiracy and then look

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Speaker 7: for evidence to support that theory, you could find it

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Speaker 7: if you. On the on the other hand, if you say, okay,

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Speaker 7: this is my hypothesis there is no conspiracy, then you

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Speaker 7: can find evidence for that. I would just say that

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Speaker 7: conspiracy means two or more people involved in the action.

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Speaker 7: And so how are they communicating? Are there emails? You

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Speaker 7: tell me that that there could never be a leaked email?

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Speaker 7: Or is there texts? There could never be leaked text

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Speaker 7: Are there private conversation, Well, everybody's got a recording device

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Speaker 7: in their pocket. No spoken word ever was communicated, or

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Speaker 7: or is it just something that they telepathically know, well,

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Speaker 7: this is what's best, you know. I just I would

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Speaker 7: have to be presented with evidence that works with that

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Speaker 7: challenge before I'm going to read that there's a conspiracy.

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Speaker 5: Top of the our headlines coming up.

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Speaker 2: And then we started our NFL Conversation today with you

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Speaker 2: about Sam Donald, and we'll wrap up our NFL Conversation

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Speaker 2: today with more on Sam Donald.

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Speaker 5: We'll do that next on ninety three point three KJFM