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Speaker 1: Hal Friday plays it for a little bit on Friday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately Dragon's not here.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, is that you?

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Speaker 2: Is that the one and the whole?

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Speaker 1: Jesse is filling in today.

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Speaker 3: They called me in from the bullpen. Season went from

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Speaker 3: bad to worse? Here I am with you incredible.

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Speaker 1: So the season sucks so bad if they're blaming you,

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Speaker 1: so as punish from as they bring you in here today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, I couldn't get any work for him.

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Speaker 3: He'll do it, call him in and work for Brown. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's used to getting beat down over the summer. He

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Speaker 1: But you know, for for a season. That's by the way.

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Speaker 1: If you guys don't really know, Jesse is the engineer,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know what your producer engineer what.

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Speaker 3: They actually call you, Michael, let's put some respect on it.

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Speaker 3: Executive producer of the Colorado Rockies Radio Network.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, oh okay, you know, okay, mister Tallant.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't brag about that a lot, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, No, no, no, you're right. Let's move on.

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Speaker 1: So you got from loser to loser. So that's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: But here you know, there's here's the good news. The

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Speaker 1: bad news is he's not going to die from it.

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Speaker 3: He said, whatever you do, if you have any questions,

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Speaker 1: So okay, yesterday we were talking about he was on air.

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Speaker 1: He was during during the program, he was trying to

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Speaker 1: So I don't know what he ended up doing, but

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Speaker 1: he says, like about larogizing wrong guyness, And I said, oh, so,

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Speaker 1: so the bad news is you're not gonna die.

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Speaker 2: And very nice, Michael.

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Speaker 1: I know, I tried. I tried to treat my coworkers

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Speaker 1: maybe three minutes later, I got this reply, something to

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Speaker 1: the effect, oh, that's exactly what missus Redbeer said.

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Speaker 2: You got.

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Speaker 3: He gets it at home and he gets it here.

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Speaker 3: Poor dragon, Poor poor dragon, my ass.

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Speaker 1: It's just Friday, and he wented the day off, so

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Speaker 1: yesterday he was trying to do this. You know, it

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Speaker 2: He's smart, He's smart, Darry March madness. I do the

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Speaker 2: same thing on Tuesday. I start coughing around the office.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You got to set it up.

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Speaker 2: You can take that whole weekend off. See, you know,

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Speaker 1: Now. Many of you may not remember this. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: December sixteenth, nineteen eighty five, sparked Steakhouse, which is located

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Speaker 1: multiple indictments implicating both current and former NBA figures incur,

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Speaker 1: I call it today, and you know, then that pays

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Speaker 1: I still think that if people want to go gamble.

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Speaker 3: I went to the high school with Chauncey Billups at

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. That's exactly right. And apparently some people know

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Speaker 1: See, here's why I disagree, Because I think that gambling

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Speaker 1: concrete business, or you know, the construction business or anything else.

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Speaker 1: So this is something that is an inherent part of

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Speaker 1: American history and our society, and now it's infused something

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Speaker 1: that we watch that we think is on the up

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Speaker 1: and up. Oh turns out maybe not quite so much. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: So back to I want to talk about the mafia

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Speaker 1: crime families for a moment. They financed and managed key

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Speaker 1: aspects of these schemes. The FBI has confirmed that members

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Speaker 1: and associates of the Banano, the gamb you know, the

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Speaker 1: Genovie's and the Lucheesi fan crime families. Gie, it's like

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Speaker 1: it's that's the title of a movie right there, played

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Speaker 1: central roles in organizing, funding and enforcing enforcing. It's being

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Speaker 1: a baseball I think baseball bats or I don't know,

442
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Speaker 1: just to you know a thirty eight special that connected

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Speaker 1: NBA insiders to illegal betting and the rig poker games.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm not an NBA fan. I like college basketball.

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Speaker 1: I think NBA is just well, I just don't find

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Speaker 1: it all that interesting. Now, aren't you at sometimes going

447
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Speaker 1: to wonder, well, is this game fixed? Is it fixed?

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Speaker 1: This is like the the This is like the big

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Speaker 1: baseball controversy, really where history repeats itself. So baseball, now

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Speaker 1: we got basketball. The affidavits describe a hierarchy. Of course,

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Speaker 1: we're in the capos and the soldiers from the Gambino

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Speaker 1: on the Bonano families front of the cash to bankroll

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Speaker 1: of the illegal poker ring, while the Genevies Newkesey, the

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Speaker 1: Luciesi associates they managed all the logistics, the transportation of equipment,

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Speaker 1: the laundering, the money laundering through shell companies, and guess

456
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Speaker 1: what crypto? Yes, bitcoin or ethereum or you know, but

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Speaker 1: the cryptocurrencies. The poker operation, which began around twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: was described by the FBI as a multi state traveling casino.

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Speaker 1: I like it when they insert a little humor in this,

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Speaker 1: featuring high stakes games in New York, the Hampton's, Miami

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Speaker 1: Vegas and often attended by celebrities and professional athletes. Now

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Speaker 1: what I'm curious about now, when are the tabloids going

463
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Speaker 1: to get hold to this? When are we going to

464
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: find out which of your favorite celebrities? And I don't

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Speaker 1: even dare name one because one, I don't want to

466
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Speaker 1: get sued for bibel and slander. But why wait? Wait

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Speaker 1: until the names start dropping about the celebrities that were

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Speaker 1: involved in the illegal poker games or that we're betting

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Speaker 1: on the basketball games? And how much did they know

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Speaker 1: or not know? You know, when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: New York Knicks, there's a guy that I know that

472
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: is always on court side, that you know. Now I wonder,

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Speaker 1: I wonder how much he knew? So who knows we'll

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Speaker 1: see what we'll see whether or not he gets spiked

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Speaker 1: in this deck collection. You got mafia, you gotta have

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Speaker 1: the deck collectors. We're largely handled by the Bonano family

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Speaker 1: soldiers ernest Io and Julius Zilani. Oh my god. This

478
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Speaker 1: is just so stereotypical, isn't it. It's just like I'm.

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Speaker 2: The Netflix documentary is going to be outstanding.

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Speaker 1: It is going to be wonderful. And I'm sitting here

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00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: thinking I should take all of my notes and just

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Speaker 1: find somebody in Hollywood and here's my I just wrote

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Speaker 1: your screen I'm a screenwriter right now. So anyway, we'll

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Speaker 1: take a break, but I'll finish this up next and

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Speaker 1: then those of you who don't like to hear about

486
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Speaker 1: the gambling story, we'll move on to something else. But

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Speaker 1: the thing about the intersection with the crime families and

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Speaker 1: the NBA players, that's next.

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Speaker 3: If people think the NBA is rigged, wait till you

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Speaker 3: see what they uncover for the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Is there? Well, we got NBA, NFL, get MLB? I mean,

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Speaker 1: is soccer rigged? I just for some reason, I just

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Speaker 1: don't see soccer as being that, And maybe it's because

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Speaker 1: of the history of major League Baseball with all of

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Speaker 1: that storied history, but I just can't see soccer, and

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Speaker 1: this really is you know, think about this. Here's how

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Speaker 1: the FBI described so. Oh, somebody asked me on the

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Speaker 1: text line, do I see Rico charges coming?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think they'll be Rico charges coming in this thing.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, think about this, because here's how the

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Speaker 1: FBI described this whole case, the fusion of organized crime

503
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Speaker 1: with insider sports betting as the modern evolution of racketeering

504
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: in the digital age. That's actually a pretty brilliant statement.

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Speaker 1: I think this is a hybrid of old school mafia

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Speaker 1: extortion with technologically sophisticated fraud. Now, not to put you

507
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Speaker 1: on the spot here, Jesse, but you said something about

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Speaker 1: they use these machines in Vegas and that they can

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Speaker 1: even tell it cards missing.

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Speaker 3: Or so these X ray tables, they've been using them

511
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Speaker 3: in Vegas forever, so they know they can tell if

512
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Speaker 3: a card's missing from the shoe.

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Speaker 1: So the table has extra.

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Speaker 3: Correct underneath it, and they use it to know if

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Speaker 3: somebody pocketed a card, and they can tell exactly what

516
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 3: card is missing. Now, these guys, from what I understand,

517
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: took that and then also marked the top of the

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Speaker 3: cards so that you could see with a special pair

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Speaker 3: of glasses what exactly what cards they were.

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Speaker 1: Holy crap.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's some pictures online about these tables. It

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Speaker 3: looks like an MRI machine underneath the table.

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Speaker 2: It's wild.

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Speaker 1: Wow. So even so, that's why they would have the

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Speaker 1: private games. That's that's why they have the illegal games. Yep,

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Speaker 1: so they could they couldn't walk into the.

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Speaker 2: You know, these were back room deals for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they've been going around for Unlike I said

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, I think there's a couple of clips out there.

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Speaker 3: Some guy knew about it a couple of years ago

531
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Speaker 3: and kind of called Chauncey out for it, and it

532
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Speaker 3: never got any attention, and now here we are.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, I mean I got maybe didn't get any intention

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Speaker 1: because if somebody mentioned something, the FBI could have.

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Speaker 3: Said, yeah, it's kind of a squelch within the high

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Speaker 3: limit poker community, which I'm not a member of.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think that's whatever.

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00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: Oh no, I actually I am.

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Speaker 3: You know, but when they're you know, when you're risking

540
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of dollars, you want to know that

541
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: the game's on the up and upright, and apparently somebody

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00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: caught wind of it a few years ago that it

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00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: was not so well.

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Speaker 2: We'll just have to see how it all plays out.

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Speaker 2: It's wild, wild story.

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Speaker 1: It is. It's a totally wild story. And it really

547
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Speaker 1: gets to think about the fusion of everything that Jesse

548
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Speaker 1: just described about I was totally unaware of, like X

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Speaker 1: ray machines or MRIs or whatever it might be at

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Speaker 1: a poker table. But think about the fusion of technology, cheating,

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00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: the human nature of you know, always always trying to,

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00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, find a shortcut to something, and then artificial intelligence.

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00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: Now what I had to do with anything, Because you know,

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Speaker 1: I've been talking about how I'm so sick. Now sometimes

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00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: they're enjoyable. I told you about the video I think

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00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: yesterday I told you the video I saw on Facebook

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00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: of Don Rickles where they had taken Don Rickles sitting

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Speaker 1: at the chair the couch with Johnny Carson and they

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Speaker 1: had used some AI platform to have Don Rickles now

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Speaker 1: telling current jokes about current events. And for when I

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Speaker 1: first saw it, for that split second, I thought, eh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: kind of funny, and then I thought, this really actually

563
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: isn't funny at all, because it's not real. It's fake.

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Speaker 1: And I don't like to live in a world where

565
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: I have to question where everything is real or artificial?

566
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: Is it real? Is it live or is it memorys?

567
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: That showed that you want to date me right there?

568
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: Is it live or is at memorys? This is the

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Speaker 1: kind of world that we now live in, and I

570
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: think it's going to get even worse. So is the

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Speaker 1: game on the up and up? Is the game really real?

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00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: Is the game rigged? Is it not rigged? Is what

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing on the screen? I mean, for example, you

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Speaker 1: walk into a movie theater. We watched a movie about

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Speaker 1: the fires in uh in California, the Cedar Fire. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think the Cedar Fire was when I was involved

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Speaker 1: in anyway one of the fires in in Los Ange

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Speaker 1: in California, and I was so mesmerized because I've been

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Speaker 1: in those wildfires. I know what they're like that I

580
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out how the hell did they film that?

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Speaker 1: So I got online started digging into about this movie,

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Speaker 1: and it turns out that while it was filmed in Riodosa,

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Speaker 1: the fires were filmed on a campus in Santa Fe

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Speaker 1: and they would light the pine trees catch that footage,

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Speaker 1: and that was the footage they would use. Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: the Lost Bus. The name of the movie was the

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Speaker 1: Lost Bus, and now that and I was doing that

589
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Speaker 1: while I was watching the film on TV at home,

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591
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,359
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