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Speaker 2: The Final four will be here today and tomorrow. There

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Speaker 2: is a lot of ground to cover. We're gonna start with.

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Speaker 2: This is a full circle moment for me. The head

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Speaker 2: the NCAA tournament before falling to Illinois, who's obviously playing

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Speaker 2: on Saturday. Phil Martelly Junior is with his coach. It

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Speaker 2: is awesome to have you. Thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 3: Always great to be with you.

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Speaker 2: It's good I said this to you off air, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever told this story on

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Speaker 3: I went to UD, so don't hold that against non. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: A lot of respect for the Flyers.

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Speaker 2: A ten tournament final against him when I was a

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Speaker 2: student broadcast at UD. The Flyers are getting set to

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Speaker 2: be cool if we could get.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like nineteen, maybe eighteen years old doing a

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Speaker 3: So we look up.

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Speaker 2: This is early internet days. I called the basketball office

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Speaker 2: And I go Coach Martelly there and he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're talking to him, like well, and I asked him

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Speaker 2: when is it. I said it's tonight at seven o'clock.

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Speaker 2: He's like, sure, call this number.

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Speaker 3: So it's now full circle here. You're that does not

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Speaker 4: That was always him. Yeah, that was always him. He

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: I won't put it out there because in case it's

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Speaker 4: The stories I hear like that are numerous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, now you have to pay it

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Speaker 2: forward with student broadcasters. I'll say that congratulations on a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much. It really was you know,

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Speaker 4: we got the job about three hundred and seventy days ago,

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Speaker 2: I think in this day and age, regardless of who

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Speaker 2: the first thing you wonder is in this environment, can

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Speaker 3: How did you do it?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's getting the right people right. You surround yourself

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Speaker 2: All Right, you're being pulled in a thousand different directions.

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Speaker 2: I could talk to you for like the next twenty minutes,

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Speaker 2: You are very involved in Coaches Versus Cancer, and it's

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Speaker 3: It's been going on forever. I know your dad.

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Speaker 3: So give us an idea of what coaches versus cancer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Coach versus Cancer is huge in our family. I'm

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Speaker 4: your listeners can't see this but I'm wearing a bracelet

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Speaker 4: So you know, the impact that's already been done, you know,

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Speaker 3: I know you have a lot of obligations. Can thank

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Speaker 2: That's Phil Martelly Junior. I've now had a chance to

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Speaker 2: interview both Phil Martelly's We are broadcasting from the Final

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Speaker 2: at the Super Bowl, which is a monster of an event.

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Speaker 2: we're gonna talk with Trey, who obviously had an unbelievably

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Speaker 2: lot of ground to cover beyond the college basketball. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: the Final Four is Saturday. The Bengals have made news

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Speaker 2: today They've signed safety Kyle Dugger to a one year deal.

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Speaker 2: And Kyle Dugger in twenty twenty five and twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: His best season was twenty twenty two, a long time ago.

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Speaker 2: But you know, we watched as the Bengals season played

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Speaker 3: It does pivot folks understandably.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna squeeze this picture because I don't

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Speaker 2: Bengals have signed safety free agent safety Kyle Duggart to

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk at four h five with somebody

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Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar thing, Gonna give the Bengals the benefit of

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Speaker 2: the doubt that you may argue they do not deserve.

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Speaker 2: So They've signed Brian Cook, they still have Jordan Battle. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: many myself included, wondering is Caleb down is going to

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Speaker 2: be there at ten and if so, are the Bengals

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Speaker 2: going to take them? And we have the next three

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Speaker 2: weeks to dive into all the different draft prospects, all

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Speaker 2: the different draft scenarios that may or may not play out.

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Speaker 2: But when I watch people whose opinions I trust break

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Speaker 2: down draft prospects when they get to Caleb Downs, I

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Speaker 2: salivate over their evaluations. Now, maybe not literally, but it

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Speaker 2: is impossible if you know anything about football, It's impossible

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Speaker 2: to watch Caleb Downs and not be really intrigued by

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Speaker 2: what he could do as a prospect. But when I

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Speaker 2: watch really smart people break down his tape, which you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna bore myself by pretending to do. But

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Speaker 2: when I watch people whose opinions I trust break down

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Speaker 2: Caleb downs tape, it's really intriguing to think about what

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Speaker 2: he could do for the Bengals, and then you add

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Speaker 2: to it all the very impressive intangibles. I cannot imagine,

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Speaker 2: and I'm saying this about the Bengals, I cannot imagine

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Speaker 2: that if that player is there at ten, a guy

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Speaker 2: who's some view as a top two or three player

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Speaker 2: in this draft, I cannot imagine that the reason for

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Speaker 2: not taking Caleb Downs will be, well, we've already got

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Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar.

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Speaker 3: I think the way to view it is this last year.

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Speaker 2: Gino Stone, over the last two seasons became a punchline

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Speaker 2: and a punching bag, and he deserved because he underperformed.

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Speaker 2: But I think one of the frustrating things about last

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Speaker 2: season was.

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Speaker 3: That he played.

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Speaker 2: It felt like because they had no confidence in anybody else.

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Speaker 2: The safeties behind Geno Stone just didn't have much NFL

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Speaker 2: experience playing in actual regular season football games at safety.

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Speaker 2: There were very few options, and to a degree, you

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Speaker 2: might argue they were lucky they were as healthy at

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Speaker 2: safety as they were. Was as weird as that sounds,

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Speaker 2: given how poorly Geno Stone played, Because if there are

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Speaker 2: evaluations of the guys behind those dudes were accurate, can

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Speaker 2: you even imagine what the safety play would have looked

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Speaker 2: like had they played Dejon Anthony or Tyson Anderson, those

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Speaker 2: sort of guys. So now like there's there's a little

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Speaker 2: bit more depth, there's some experience. Kyle Dugger's best season

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Speaker 2: was twenty twenty two if you go by pro football

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Speaker 2: focused metrics, and maybe you don't, but it's reasonable to go, Well,

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Speaker 2: Number one, why did the Patriots move on from him

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Speaker 2: pretty quickly, not that long after he signed a big

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Speaker 2: contract extension with them. Why did Pittsburgh apparently show no

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Speaker 2: desire to bring him back? Like, we're not talking about

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Speaker 2: a cornerstone. We're not talking about somebody who's going to

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Speaker 2: remind anybody of Jesse Bates. But they didn't have a

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Speaker 2: striking lack of experienced options at that position last year,

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Speaker 2: and maybe that changes, and so like now the safety

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Speaker 2: room today is Brian Cook, a player that I think

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Speaker 2: you could argue is still a sending who does well

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Speaker 2: what Gino Stone did poorly, Who's got experience winning, who

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Speaker 2: I think checks every box you're looking for a safety

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Speaker 2: to check, especially given how bad the Bengals have been

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Speaker 2: at that position. They have Jordan Battle and you know,

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Speaker 2: we could argue the merits of Al Golden being as

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Speaker 2: enthusiastic about Jordan Battle as he appeared to be here

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Speaker 2: in Indianapolis at the Combine a few weeks ago. But

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Speaker 2: Jordan Battle, I think showed some things toward the end

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Speaker 2: of last season that made you feel like he could

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Speaker 2: still be a solution. And now another veteran piece in

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Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger. And there's nothing that says you can't have

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Speaker 2: all three of those players on the field at the

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Speaker 2: same time. But I would find it impossible to imagine

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Speaker 2: that if Caleb Downs is there, they don't take him

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Speaker 2: because they have Kyle Dugger and Jordan Battle. I certainly

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Speaker 2: can envision a world where he's there and they don't

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Speaker 2: take them because the pass rush is king and there's

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Speaker 2: an edge guy that they like more and they value

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Speaker 2: that position more. They just don't value safety enough to

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Speaker 2: take a safety with the tenth overall pick. I can

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Speaker 2: envision a lot of different scenarios that involve the Bengals

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Speaker 2: not taking Caleb Downs. What is really hard to imagine

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Speaker 2: is they don't take Caleb Downs because for the next

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Speaker 2: season they have Kyle Dugger. It's probably not a long

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Speaker 2: term solution. Like you're you're drafting for the here and now,

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Speaker 2: and you're drafting for the here and now in the

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Speaker 2: NFL more so than ever. And that really applies to

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Speaker 2: the Bengals, who where they were a season ago because

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Speaker 2: of the inability of many of their draft picks on

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Speaker 2: the defensive side of the football to make much of

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Speaker 2: an impact. But you're also drafting for two, three, four

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Speaker 2: years down the road, and I can't imagine you would say,

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Speaker 2: you know what, in a couple of years, we don't

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Speaker 2: want Caleb Downs because for this season and possibly for

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Speaker 2: this season only, we're gonna have Kyle Dugger. We will see,

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Speaker 2: and many will argue the Bengals should not get the

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Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt when it comes to such a thing.

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Speaker 2: But I just I think there's two different ways of

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Speaker 2: looking at this. What they've done today. Kyle Dugger has

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Speaker 2: an experienced safety. They didn't have a lot of experience

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Speaker 2: options at safety last year, the fail safe in case

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Speaker 2: somebody got hurt, the different things that they would have

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Speaker 2: liked to have done at that position. With multiple safeties

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Speaker 2: more than two on the field, maybe they could expand

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Speaker 2: what they do a little bit more and they at

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Speaker 2: least have more options. But I think the other way

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Speaker 2: to look at it is it should not change their

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Speaker 2: plans if they have any, as it relates the safety

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Speaker 2: from Ohio State at ten overall, sixteen minutes after or

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Speaker 2: On the Reds and their struggles offensively, they've got a

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Speaker 2: top heavy offense that I mentioned this earlier in the show.

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Speaker 2: In the first six games of the season, the hitters,

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Speaker 2: whether they be guys who started or players who came

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Speaker 2: The Reds six through nine hitters so far this season

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Speaker 2: are combined nine for eighty one. Now, that is a

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Speaker 2: very very small sample size, and it obviously goes without

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Speaker 2: saying that your hitters one through five are probably going

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Speaker 2: metric you want to use, than the hitters who are

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Speaker 2: six through nine in the batting order. But you know,

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Speaker 2: we talk so much about two through five and what

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Speaker 2: the Reds could get from Matt McClain, Elie de la Cruz,

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Speaker 2: sal Stewart, who's been awesome in a Johaneo Soarez, that

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Speaker 2: we've kind of ignored the bottom half of the batting order.

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Speaker 2: And that's because the Reds do have a very top

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Speaker 2: you know, again, most teams best hitters are going to

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Speaker 2: hit one through five, and so there's going to be

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Speaker 2: a striking difference between one through five, or maybe one

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Speaker 2: through four and six through nine or maybe five through

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Speaker 2: nine in terms of production. But it is fair to wonder,

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Speaker 2: Number one, can this team achieve its maximum offensive potential

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Speaker 2: if spots six through nine in the batting order are abysmal. Now, again,

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody expects the bind batting average from

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Speaker 2: be what it was in the first six games, which

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Speaker 2: is one eleven. Nobody expects that. But when Elie de

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Speaker 2: la Cruz goes through a batting slump or a Euhanio

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Speaker 2: Souarez or Matt McLain or just you know, you've got

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Speaker 2: some guys at the top of the order who are

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Speaker 2: simply not hitting. Are they going to be good enough

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Speaker 2: in the other spots to help overcome that? Are the

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Speaker 2: Reds a little bit too top heavy? And is there

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Speaker 2: like I'm listening to Tony and Austin today on since

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Speaker 2: he three sixty, and folks are bringing up like, well,

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Speaker 2: call up Reese Hines. And nothing against Reese and you

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Speaker 2: could certainly make an argument that he should have made

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Speaker 2: the big league club, and you know, nobody says that

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Speaker 2: he has, you know, should have run out of chances

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Speaker 2: to prove himself as an established big leaguer. But like

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Speaker 2: a couple of different things. One is just they're a

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Speaker 2: like me, thinking that maybe the Reds should have made

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Speaker 2: one more move. And when you look at the roster,

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Speaker 2: and when you look at the back end of the

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Speaker 2: you look at the lack of production so far this

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Speaker 2: continue to wonder should they have done a little bit more?

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Speaker 2: Are they a little bit too top heavy? And it's

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Speaker 2: gonna be awesome if McLain and Ellie and Sal Stewart

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Speaker 2: and a Uhaneo Suarez with the big home run on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: If those guys perform at the level that we talked

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Speaker 2: other spots. But let's say what we're hoping for for

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Speaker 2: Matt McClain doesn't materialize. Well, let's say that what we're

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Speaker 2: hoping for from Elie de la Cruz doesn't materialize. Is

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Speaker 2: there gonna be enough overall team depth? Is there gonna

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Speaker 2: be enough production from elsewhere for this team to overcome it?

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Speaker 2: We'll see twelve away from four o'clock five point three,

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Speaker 2: Radio Row. Mister College Basketball himself is going to be

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Speaker 2: with us in ten minutes. I said at the top

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Speaker 2: of the show, I needed to express my appreciation for

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Speaker 2: Austin Ellmore and Chick Ludwig for filling in the last

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Speaker 2: few days.

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Speaker 3: I took a few days off because it was my

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Speaker 3: daughter's spring break.

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Speaker 2: According to a very nice person on Twitter, who I

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Speaker 2: appreciate his interest in me doing my job. Trust me,

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Speaker 2: it means he listens to the show. But no, I

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Speaker 2: don't get ten weeks of vacation. I took three days

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Speaker 2: off this week because it was my daughter's spring break.

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Speaker 2: Austin filled in Monday and Wednesday. Chickster Chicken Letwig filled

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Speaker 2: in on Tuesday. Austin and Paul Danner Junior yesterday were

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Speaker 3: Lord.

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Speaker 2: I sound bummed that I'm talking to Trey Carroll and

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Speaker 2: the reality is he had an awesome season playing for XU.

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Speaker 2: He'll join us a little bit later on, but when

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Speaker 2: we come back, the aforementioned mister college Basketball, Paul Frischner.

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Speaker 2: It's the ESPN fifteen thirty Ernst An Associate's Final Four

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Speaker 2: Earns An Associates Final Four Show, presented by duimatt dot

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Speaker 2: com live from the Airport Paint and Body broadcast area

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Speaker 2: here in Indianapolis. We are broadcasting here today and tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: If it's the Final Four, if it's a college basketball

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Speaker 2: that means our guy, Paul Frischner. Now Paul is mister

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Speaker 2: college Basketball. We gave him that nickname last year. He

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00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: is taking it and run with it. He is the

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Speaker 2: host of the Rebound rundown. I did watch him just

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Speaker 2: struggle to put his headphones on. So I'm questioning the

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Speaker 2: broadcasting acumen.

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Speaker 3: But do what you gotta do. It's awesome to have you.

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Speaker 8: I appreciate you having me on though. This is fantastic.

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Speaker 8: It's a nice little setup we got here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: This is good. Let's sell you. It's amaze of a

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Speaker 3: place to find it, though.

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Speaker 2: So I came in the back entrance, okay, and I

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Speaker 2: walked like through the lobby of the coaches convention.

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Speaker 3: It looks like a gym teacher's convention with all the sweatsuits.

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Speaker 3: It does right.

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Speaker 2: Ever, the logos are everywhere, all the logos, and I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to find like coaches I recognize and not so much.

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Speaker 2: But yet it's a big building.

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Speaker 3: This is really cool.

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Speaker 2: This is an awesome city to host an event like this.

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Speaker 2: And I got to think you're like in heaven. Man.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I absolutely a element. I absolutely am. This is great.

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Speaker 8: This is the best week and I've actually never been

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Speaker 8: to the Final four. Okay for so being here, being around,

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Speaker 8: being here at the Convention Center, being around Indianapolis, just

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Speaker 8: walking around seeing people you know, you meet through the season,

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Speaker 8: and being able to catch up with him. I was

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Speaker 8: just sitting over at a at a bar, are eating

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Speaker 8: lunch with you know. I look over to the left

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Speaker 8: and it's the staff of the first game I called

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Speaker 8: from opening day. It's high Point staff sitting there to

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Speaker 8: my left. We're catching up on the season they beat Wisconsin, right,

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Speaker 8: asking them how that game was.

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Speaker 3: It's it's those things that being here an event like.

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Speaker 2: This, Elijah to Yeah, to catch up with Yeah, No,

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Speaker 2: this is really cool. It's it's awesome to have you.

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Speaker 2: There's we'll talk about the final for itself. First of all, you,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna begin with you because watching your star takeoff

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Speaker 2: has been something and I was listening to you, I

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Speaker 2: think it I think it was with Mike Beetralia. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you were talking about the Miami RedHawks. Yeah, mainly

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Speaker 2: and understandably so because of the season they've had. And

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking to myself, like I kind of remember when

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Speaker 2: Paul got started with this and watching it grow and

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Speaker 2: this will continue, has been has been awesome. You're like

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Speaker 2: the area's college basketball voice. Well, I appreciate that moment.

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Speaker 8: It's been fun over the last couple of years, right,

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Speaker 8: Obviously going to Xavier, I know that the vast majority

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Speaker 8: of the listener base that's listening to this are probably

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Speaker 8: Cincinnati fans, but being able to branch out and build

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Speaker 8: really relationships at Cincinnati as well and other schools Daton,

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Speaker 8: getting to know that staff at Northern Kentucky and Darren

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Speaker 8: Horne and so many premier programs around Cincinnati. I mean,

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Speaker 8: that's what's been really fun to me is that living

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Speaker 8: in Cincinnati is the best place to live, in my opinion,

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Speaker 8: in the country if you're a college basketball fan, because

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Speaker 8: you have every conference, you have every coach, you have

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Speaker 8: every program that you want at a high major level

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Speaker 8: within two hours of Cincinnati, and you have two absolutely

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Speaker 8: premier programs within the city.

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Speaker 3: So it's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I thought about that and just thinking about you because

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Speaker 2: I used to work with Greg Doyle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Greg for years was.

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Speaker 2: The college basketball guy for CBS, not from Cincinnati, but

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Speaker 2: he lived in Cincinnati, and I remember asking him like, well,

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Speaker 2: why did you end up here? And he goes, I

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Speaker 2: cover college basketball, like I'm four hours away from do

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Speaker 2: you know how many programs? And he goes, it would

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Speaker 2: make total sense. And then Mike de COURSI Mike, I

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Speaker 2: think moved Indian. Now he's back in Pittsburgh and he

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Speaker 2: worked for the Inquiry for a while, but when he

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Speaker 2: was done covering U see mainly for the Inquiry, he

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati for the same reason.

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Speaker 2: So it would be smart to follow that blueprint and

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Speaker 2: start a college basketball project in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 8: And there's so many good coaches around here too, so

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Speaker 8: many people that in today's day and age were college basketball.

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Speaker 8: You know, it sounds kind of melodramatic, right, but it's

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Speaker 8: kind of having a moment right now that I think

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Speaker 8: it's really surging back in popularity because you have the

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Speaker 8: star power. You have so many players and teams from

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Speaker 8: across the sport that are really captivating the country. But

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Speaker 8: you also have some intriguing programs now where you have

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Speaker 8: Richard Patino at Xavier, obviously the lineage of Rick Patino,

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Speaker 8: but somebody trying to get back to the high major

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Speaker 8: level and have a story there. You have Jared Calhoun,

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Speaker 8: with all the Cincinnati blood that he has, taking over

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Speaker 8: a program that you're trying to get back to the

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Speaker 8: national prominence in Cincinnati, where it always was and where

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Speaker 8: it belongs to be. So just here in Cincinnati it's

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Speaker 8: fun to cover. And then you stretch out to Mark

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Speaker 8: Pope and Pat kelceus so many Cincinnati connections, and up

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Speaker 8: at Dayton with Anthony Grant, who's a lifer there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just been.

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Speaker 8: There are so many stories that I hope very soon,

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Speaker 8: I hope you and I are sitting at the Final

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Speaker 8: Four next year in Detroit and we're sitting there talking

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Speaker 8: about premier teams from this area that maybe they're not

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Speaker 8: at the Final Four, but they're back making noise in

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Speaker 8: the NCAA Tournament.

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Speaker 2: The idea is, and I said this when Richard Patino

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Speaker 2: got hired at Xavier, and I said this last week

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Speaker 2: with Jared Calhoun, the idea is for these programs for

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Speaker 2: us to be talking about them having a chance, yes

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Speaker 2: to get here. And I like, I get how college

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Speaker 2: basketball works, but you touched on something that I have

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Speaker 2: beaten and maybe to the point of annoyance with my

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00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: audience on a daily basis I hear how college basketball

853
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: is broken, I'm watching. I don't even know what I'm watching,

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Speaker 2: but last night I saw an ad for Sunday Night

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Speaker 2: on CNN and symposium about fixing college basketball, and I go,

856
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 2: it's not without its issues, but fans seem to like

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Speaker 2: it because the tournament ratings are absurd. Regular season ratings

858
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Speaker 2: were through the Roof Selections Selection Show on CBS, highest

859
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Speaker 2: rating in fourteen years last year's Final Four. Gambling has

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Speaker 2: a lot to do with this, I'm sure, But I

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Speaker 2: hear from within the sport about all all of the

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Speaker 2: issues that it faces, but fans seem to like this

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Speaker 2: version of college basketball, and you and I are among them. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, And I think the one road that I'm kind

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Speaker 8: of interested to see here in the next couple of

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Speaker 8: seasons that it feels like college basketball is going down

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Speaker 8: right now.

868
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: And you're a huge NBA guy, I know that.

869
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 8: It feels like right now with the portal and the

870
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 8: coaching carousel and everything else, there is a vibe of

871
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 8: NBA free agency that's taking over a lot of fans

872
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 8: where it's almost more exciting to find out what your

873
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 8: team is going.

874
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: To be transactions.

875
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 8: Yea the transactions are becoming just as enticing and engaging

876
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 8: as the season is, which is great because college basketball

877
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 8: is not all that long of a season. You have

878
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 8: almost twice as long as an offseason as you do

879
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 8: the actual season of college basketball for most teams. Right

880
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 8: if you play an extended postseason run, obviously that stretches

881
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 8: here into eight But look, I mean you're about to

882
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 8: have a month straight of news about your team that

883
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 8: In the old days, you might listen to a high

884
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 8: school recruitment for two years and then at the end

885
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 8: of it, MO, well, that guy decided to go to

886
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 8: some other school, and then you just punt on the

887
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 8: last two years of following that recruitment. Now you can

888
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 8: do it in three weeks, and it's more engaging for

889
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 8: the fans.

890
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned NBA, and I do like the NBA.

891
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: I like the sport of basketball. But the NBA is

892
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: a tanking problem. Yeah that I don't know that it's

893
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: ever going to fix. In college basketball, everybody's trying to win.

894
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: Some have more resources to try. That's undeniable. Some are

895
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: better at it than others, that's undeniable. But like the

896
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: NBA product, people talk about the length of the season

897
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: being too long. There's no issue with that. In college basketball.

898
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: I do think the season starts a tag too early,

899
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: but that's a nitpick. They've got a tanking issue. They have,

900
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: to a degree an issue with just teams that just

901
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: never feel like they're really that competitive. You have teams

902
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: that are sort of stuck in the middle. College basketball

903
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: you can catch lightning in a bottle. And the on

904
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 2: court product, I'm not saying it's not without its issues.

905
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that there aren't some things that need

906
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: to get regulated. The encore product is awesome.

907
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 8: It is and you look at all the freshmen that

908
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 8: have taken over the sport this year. This has been

909
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 8: one of the best freshman classes in recent memory. That

910
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 8: games are so athletic, they're high scoring, Yeah, I understand

911
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 8: for fans it is frustrating, and I get it to

912
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 8: where you used to be able to follow the development

913
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 8: of a player for four years and you felt like

914
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 8: by the time they had their senior night, they were

915
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 8: an extended part of your family that maybe you didn't know,

916
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 8: but that you felt like you knew them tangentially through

917
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 8: the four years that you followed them. And a player

918
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 8: that didn't play a whole lot as a freshman is

919
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 8: now a starter and an All Conference player as a senior.

920
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 8: And that was very fun and tangible as a fan.

921
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 8: But at the same point, if you do put in

922
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 8: the effort as a fan to following a lot of

923
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 8: this in just one year, the actual, to me, the

924
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 8: actual on court product right now of college basketball has

925
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 8: never been highed. I don't even I don't think there's

926
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 8: any way to argue that.

927
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have experienced players playing. You did speak to

928
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: my only gripe because I'm a UC guy. Kenyon Martin

929
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: is a revered player. Everybody remember his senior season. Sure,

930
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 2: it was awesome. I remember him as a freshman and

931
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: on the rare chances he would get to play, You're like,

932
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 2: this dude can't play.

933
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't put him in a game.

934
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: And then by his sophomore year, he was a guy

935
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 2: who could change the game on the defensive end, but

936
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: you never really threw it to him. And then his

937
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 2: junior year it was like, all right, there's something here

938
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: offensively on top of his dominance on the defensive end.

939
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 2: And then his last year he's the number one pick

940
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: in the NBA Draft. That's an extreme example That is

941
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 2: the only thing I really miss Gary Clark over four

942
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: years watching players at Xavier developed watching Trayvon Blewett.

943
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 8: We think about like a James Farr who barely played

944
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 8: his freshman year and then became one of the best

945
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 8: rebounders in the country a senior year.

946
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: That's an example. I always go back to.

947
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 2: Let's roll through some of the area teams you cover

948
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: Xavier closely. I thought Richard Patino got as much out

949
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: of that team as you could ask.

950
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that.

951
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 8: What now, I think Xavier is going to have a

952
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 8: substantially increased nil base going into next season. What that

953
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 8: number ends up actually being will see, But I do

954
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 8: think that he will have plenty of money to work with,

955
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 8: which will be good for him because really, when when

956
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 8: I would talk to Richard this year, that was always

957
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 8: really only his only complaint about things this year was

958
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 8: that he just didn't feel like he was resourced well

959
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 8: enough to win this past season. I don't think there's

960
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 8: any arguing that they finished tied for last in the

961
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 8: Big East. Yes, they had an All Big East player

962
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 8: in Trey Carroll, but they didn't have enough complimenting him.

963
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 8: You would have liked Trey Carroll to been, you know,

964
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 8: a guy that had the stars around him.

965
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 3: They didn't have that.

966
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 8: He had to be the guy that collected all the

967
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 8: stats that he got this year. So I would expect

968
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 8: Xavier to be much improved next year just from a

969
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 8: baseline talent perspective. How it all fits together, you know,

970
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 8: we'll see that. We'll see that opening night. But I

971
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 8: do expect ZAVI to have a pretty successful portal for.

972
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 3: A few years.

973
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: You've heard people talk about the nil situation at Xavier,

974
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: and so I'm not saying it's not real, but I

975
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: think if you asked every coach in this building, would

976
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: you like more NIL money, They're all gonna say yes.

977
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 2: I've heard Mick Cronin say I need five million dollars more.

978
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: Kelvin Samson famously, so a few weeks ago is like, well,

979
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: you know, we're one of the poorest teams in the

980
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: Big twelve. So how much should I take with a

981
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: grain of salt when any head coach talks about, well,

982
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: we need more nil because none of them are gonna say, actually,

983
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: we're good, We'll give some to other sports, we'll give

984
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: some to other programs. So what should I do when

985
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: I hear a coach say or nil has to be better, Well,

986
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: some of.

987
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 8: It's transparent in the fact that you can look pretty

988
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 8: clearly at a team like what Xavier put together this year,

989
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 8: and I thought, to your point of what you asked me, originally,

990
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 8: Xavier put together about as good as they could have

991
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 8: done with the resources that they had this past offseason. Now,

992
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 8: I think what they've done is they've gone back to

993
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 8: the drawing board and realized, Hey, if we were going

994
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 8: to set Richard Patino and this Xavier team up to

995
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 8: be successful going forward, we have to give them the

996
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 8: opportunity to succeed. To your other point, though, there are

997
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 8: a lot of coaches at the high major level and

998
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 8: they just get to a point where they say, well,

999
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 8: any more money is good money. What I'm interested in though,

1000
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 8: in this offseason, is you have the Kentucky situation where

1001
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 8: they flaunted a twenty two million dollar number, and whether

1002
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 8: that's true or not, it's true in the court of

1003
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 8: public opinion, and that's what matters, because that's what people

1004
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 8: judge you against, is a roster that was built at

1005
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 8: twenty two million dollars and they didn't get out of

1006
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 8: the first weekend. With that budget, at least publicly the

1007
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 8: highest in the sport, you're expected to be competing at

1008
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 8: Kentucky for a national championship. I understand they didn't have

1009
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 8: Jalen Lowe. I understand they didn't have Jaden Quaintan's there

1010
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 8: was injury problems there. But I do think when you

1011
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 8: get to a point on the court with coaches that

1012
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 8: have done it before, it becomes transparent. In Okay, Yeah,

1013
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 8: maybe another million dollars could have added a role player,

1014
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 8: but you also have to look at injuries things like that,

1015
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 8: and I think Xavier will get back to the point

1016
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 8: where they are well resourced enough to be competitive in

1017
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 8: the Big East.

1018
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: And Jared Calhoun, it's it's been someth to behold watching

1019
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: the entire Bearcat basketball community rally around him.

1020
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 3: Which.

1021
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 2: Wasn't necessarily the case with Wes and wasn't necessarily the

1022
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: case with John and maybe there were good reasons, but

1023
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: with this, everybody's on board and I'm curious as to

1024
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 2: what impact that's going to have on year one.

1025
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 8: It was really fun being at Jared Calhoun's introductory press

1026
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 8: conference and hearing I think you were sitting behind me

1027
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 8: and there was somebody I don't know who it was

1028
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 8: that was sitting in that front row that was very

1029
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 8: vocally ambitious during that press conference. It's so excited about

1030
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 8: what Jared Calhoun's going to bring to this team. And

1031
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 8: it was funny because I was sitting there the whole

1032
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 8: time thinking to myself, Yeah, you haven't seen or felt

1033
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 8: this energy from the UC fan base in a while,

1034
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 8: because even towards the end of the mccronin days, it

1035
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 8: just felt like things were running stale. Ye, well, he's

1036
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 8: not a bad coach, but it just felt like things

1037
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 8: were running stale. And now you get to a point

1038
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 8: where you have Jared Calhoun, who has all this standy lineage,

1039
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 8: he has the connection to hugs, he has all He's

1040
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 8: checked all of the boxes that you want to check.

1041
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 8: He's developed players, he's won at every level he's been at,

1042
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 8: especially Utah State, who has turned out these one or

1043
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 8: two year coaches at a high level over the last

1044
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 8: half decade. I think this is a great move for Cincinnati.

1045
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 3: You covered the Miami story, and that's truly what it was.

1046
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 6: It was.

1047
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 2: It was a great story, and I thought there were

1048
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: times we got too bogged down in the preemptive anger

1049
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 2: of what would happen if they lost a game in

1050
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 2: the MAC Tournament, which ended up happening and they still

1051
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: made it, and that night in Dayton was terrific that

1052
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 2: they advanced and then ultimately went on to play Tennessee.

1053
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 3: But what I loved about it was.

1054
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: Long Dorman program, revived campus community, rejuvenated Travis Steele going

1055
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: from you know, a guy who was sort of discarded

1056
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 2: by Xavier for for good reason, you know, entering the

1057
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: national consciousness and making the most of a second crack

1058
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: at it.

1059
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 9: It was.

1060
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: It was an awesome story. I think though.

1061
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: As the season went on, a lot of us said,

1062
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: all right, well Travis Steel is going to get a

1063
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: shot to go somewhere else. As you and I sit

1064
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: here today, he is still in Oxford. Did he pick

1065
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: a bad time to have a good season.

1066
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 3: I don't think he?

1067
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 8: Maybe locally right, we know how entrenched Travis Steel and

1068
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 8: his family Amanda, his wife, very entrenched in Cincinnati. I

1069
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 8: don't see them if they do move, moving very far

1070
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 8: away from Cincinnati. I wouldn't be shocked though, if Travis

1071
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 8: at some point, I don't know if he's itching to

1072
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 8: get back to the high major level, But I wouldn't

1073
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 8: be shocked as a competitor. As a coach, it's good

1074
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 8: to win, and it's great to win in the MAC

1075
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 8: and to be undefeated, and to go to the NCAA

1076
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 8: Tournament and to turn the MAC into a two bid

1077
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 8: league this year, which it hasn't been since nineteen ninety nine.

1078
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 8: As a coach, you're extremely competitive and you want to

1079
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 8: get back to the high major level. I do wonder

1080
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 8: if it's some point he would scratch that itch. I

1081
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 8: also wonder if maybe Anthony Grant steps down, retires in

1082
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 8: the next year, two years, at some point like that,

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00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 8: he go right up the road, because he's still living

1084
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 8: in Cincinnati Travis's. Does he go right up the road

1085
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 8: to Dayton where it's the same commute as he's commuting

1086
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 8: Oxford right now, different roads, same time. Does he just

1087
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 8: go right up the road to Dayton to where it's

1088
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 8: a step up to the A ten. You have some

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00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 8: resources there, You certainly have the fan base. Not to

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00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 8: say anything against Miami. They're building him a new arena,

1091
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 8: so I don't I wouldn't fault him at all for

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00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 8: staying at Miami for the long haul for a while

1093
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 8: at least, but also there's always a competitor. Charles coaches,

1094
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 8: especially guys that have been at the high Mage And

1095
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 8: look at John Gross, who I'm sure would have loved

1096
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 8: to have gotten to a Butler or one of those.

1097
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 8: And I know he's at Charleston now, but somebody that

1098
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 8: had been at Illinois went to Akron three straight MAC titles.

1099
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 8: Now he's at Charleston. Do you ever want to get back?

1100
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 3: You know you mentioned Anthony Grant.

1101
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: It's weird because such a classy man, such an integral

1102
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 2: part of the University of Dayton community. But the program

1103
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 2: feels a little stuck, you know it does. And there's

1104
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 2: a lot of folk, myself included, who are loath to

1105
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 2: admit that there's the what if of twenty twenty. They

1106
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: did win a tournament game two years ago, and yet

1107
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: I have felt like in the year subsequent to twenty twenty,

1108
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: all of the teams look and feel the same.

1109
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 8: I saw a great tweet and I wish I knew

1110
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 8: who tweeted it, But it's essentially the idea that Dayton

1111
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 8: has had the same season five of the last eight years,

1112
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 8: where you have a pretty good non conference and to

1113
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 8: their credit, right they beat Georgetown, they beat Marquette, they

1114
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 8: beat Florida State this offseason or this non conference season,

1115
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 8: and going into the year, the way you build your schedule,

1116
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 8: if you're Dayton, you think to yourself, that's a pretty

1117
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 8: good non conference schedule. It's not their fault that Georgetown

1118
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 8: and Marquette Florida State picked it up at the end

1119
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 8: of the year. But Georgetown and Marquette were terrible. That's

1120
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 8: not Dayton's fault. They thought they would be better when

1121
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 8: they scheduled them. So they thought Cincinnati was going to

1122
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 8: be better. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you don't win at Cincinnati, right,

1123
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 8: So and so, from Dayton's perspective, you have a really

1124
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 8: good non conference You think back last year when they

1125
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 8: beat Marquette at home, a game that had been building

1126
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 8: for a long time, and you win those games, and

1127
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 8: then you get into conference play, you lose some games

1128
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 8: in the A ten. It turns into another season where

1129
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 8: you know you have to win the A ten Tournament,

1130
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 8: something they haven't done in two decades. And then you're

1131
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 8: good enough to make the N but you can't play

1132
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 8: the N game at home because you're hosting the first four.

1133
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 8: And then you lose in the first or second round

1134
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 8: of the NIT. That's the same script that Dayton Basketball

1135
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 8: has followed for a number of years now, and Dayton

1136
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 8: feels like a program that should be a team that

1137
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 8: makes the NCAA tournament, if not every year, say three

1138
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 8: out of five years.

1139
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 3: Agreed wholeheartedly.

1140
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 2: I want to know as I watch these announcer pairings

1141
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: do their thing, they're in the tournament, I'm trying to

1142
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: guess when you'll be calling games from one of those sites.

1143
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 3: When's that going to happen?

1144
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: Right?

1145
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 3: I hope, I hope. So the tin, how many games

1146
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 3: did you call this year?

1147
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 8: At let's see, probably somewhere in the twenty range, had

1148
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 8: a handful, had a package on CBS Sports Network this year,

1149
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 8: had a non conference package with the Big East, some

1150
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 8: Xavier games, some Butler games, Field A sixty eight had

1151
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 8: me out for their Opening Day marathon. Some games mixed

1152
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 8: in here and there that I've filled in with. So right, yeah, hopefully,

1153
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 8: hopefully it just keeps stacking, you know, stack days.

1154
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: When what do you besides like talking to goofs like me,

1155
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 2: what is what is Indianapolis like for yourself? Well?

1156
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, so today and tomorrow I'm just around trying to

1157
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 8: build some connections, do some things for the for the

1158
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 8: rebound rundown, for the offseason. We had a lot of

1159
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 8: success last year highlighting these programs in the Midwest. Would

1160
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 8: love to do more of that here this upcoming offseason,

1161
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 8: showcasing all these facilities, teams, programs, coaches, and then Saturday

1162
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 8: and Monday, depending on how they do, will be on

1163
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 8: the Yukon coverage side half of the Big East. So

1164
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 8: I'll be here Saturday and Monday for the games.

1165
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 2: All right, very good. It's been awesome watching you grow

1166
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: and I'm a huge fan. It is my regret that

1167
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: we didn't, for whatever reason, get John during the season,

1168
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 2: which is entirely my just ineptitude.

1169
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 3: But we'll make it a point next year. Have you

1170
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 3: check in regularly. I appreciate you. Oh, thank you so much.

1171
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 3: Awesome to have you.

1172
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 2: I know, how do you sidestep all those men in

1173
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: sweatsuits to come sup with me? You are the best man,

1174
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 2: and you are mister college basketball. And I'm a huge

1175
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: fan and continued success.

1176
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, mam.

1177
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: When you're calling a Final four one day, when you

1178
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 2: replace Iron Eagle, You're gonna still have to come on

1179
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:23,439
Speaker 2: the show.

1180
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 3: I would be happy to be great.

1181
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: Paul Frischner, the Rebound Rundown Mister College Basketball. We are

1182
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 2: way late twenty three minutes after four o'clock. It's the

1183
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty earnth An Associate's Final four Show, presented

1184
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: by Dui Matt dot com live from the Airport, Paint

1185
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: and Body broadcast area here in Indianapolis on ESPN fifteen

1186
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports.

1187
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 5: Station Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic.

1188
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: From the UC Hill Traffic Center. When it comes to

1189
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Speaker 1: There's a couple of problems spots to watch out for

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00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: this afternoon. Be where's that disabled vehicle that has to

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00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: left lanes block on seventy one seventy five northbound after

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00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: two seventy five and Brent spins Bridge traffic is stop

1196
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: and go from Mount z Iion Road. You're looking at

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00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: a seventy four had minute delay. That other disabled vehicle

1198
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: is still ongoing on the left shoulder on seventy one

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Speaker 1: northbound at Dana Avenue, Amanju Jones with traffic.

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Speaker 3: This report is sponsored by Apollo Home twenty minutes that

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Speaker 3: for four o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

1202
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: It's the ESPN fifteen thirty First and Associate's Final Four Show, presented.

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Speaker 3: By duimatt dot com.

1204
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: We are alive from the Airport Painting Body broadcast area

1205
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 2: here in Indianapolis. The Final Four is on Saturday. The

1206
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: NABC All Star Game, College All Star Game, Slam Dunk

1207
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: Competition three point Competition going to be tomorrow. Our broadcast

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00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: from here in Indianapolis are sponsored by Warner, the official

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00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: ladder of NCAA March Madness and the official ladder of

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Speaker 2: construction professionals everywhere conquer new heights with Warner available at Granger.

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Speaker 2: The Warner ladder that they use for the cutting down

1212
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 2: of the nets on Monday is about fifteen feet from

1213
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 2: where I am and there are some signatures on it.

1214
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: We should have added Paul Frischner at his signature to

1215
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: it because he is mister College Basketball. Next hour, Trey

1216
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 2: Carroll is playing in the NABC College All Star Game.

1217
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: By the way, I was just told that Jared Calhoun

1218
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 2: will be here tomorrow and he was nice enough to

1219
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: give me a few minutes on the day of his introduction,

1220
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 2: which frankly feels like a lifetime ago. That was last week.

1221
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: But I'm told we'll have Jared Calhoun on this show

1222
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: tomorrow from here in Indianapolis. A number of the NABC

1223
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: All Stars are available, and you'll hear Trey Carroll on

1224
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 2: this show coming up in the five o'clock five o'clock hour.

1225
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 2: Same for Jevon Bennett of the Dayton Flyers as well.

1226
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: It is a four thirty broadcasting from Indianapolis. The ESPN

1227
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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Earnston Associates Final four show, percented by Dui

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01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 2: Matt dot Com line from the Airport Painting Body broadcast

1229
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: area here in Indy on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

1230
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 5: Station Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic.

1231
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,120
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1232
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Speaker 1: Commuters will be on their breaks a little more than

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Speaker 1: usual this afternoon due to that disabled vehicle that has

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Speaker 1: the left lane blocked on seventy one seventy five northbound

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Speaker 1: after two seventy five.

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Speaker 3: Traffic is stop and go.

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Speaker 1: From mounts Iion Road, you're looking at a sixty two

1241
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Speaker 1: minute delay, but you have a four minute drive with

1242
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: no delays on four seventy one northbound from two seventy

1243
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: five to downtown. And if you're on two seventy five

1244
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Speaker 1: northwest from thirty two to two seventy one, you're looking

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01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: at a twelve minute drive. Amanju Jones with Traffic.

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Speaker 2: kelseyeshev dot com. Bengals announced two signings to a safety

1251
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger, one year contract for the upcoming season. He

1252
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: was a Steeler for the second half of the season

1253
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: last year. Traded by New England two Pittsburgh last October.

1254
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: Played in nine games, had to pick six against the Bengals.

1255
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 2: Ninety career games, seventy eight starts, he has eleven interceptions

1256
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 2: and a whole bunch of other stats. He is a

1257
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: Bengal for twenty twenty six. So is a Jasir Taylor

1258
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 2: he signs a one year contract, fifth year player out

1259
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: of Wake four, A six round pick of the Chargers

1260
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, was traded by LA to the

1261
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 2: Jets last year. Played in eight games. He has one

1262
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: career interception, Jaseir Taylor, who strikes me as special teams fodder,

1263
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 2: and that is okay. That is okay, and fodder is

1264
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 2: probably not the right word. Meanwhile, at the road tomorrow

1265
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 2: for the first of a three game series against Rangers.

1266
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: It's a seven game road trip takes into Texas and Miami.

1267
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 2: Tomorrow's first pitch four to five. Cincinnati's splitting the first

1268
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 2: six games of the season at home. Nick Ldola will

1269
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: pitch for the Daytona Tortugas in a rehab assignment tonight,

1270
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 2: and hockey this evening, the Blue Jackets skate at Carolina.

1271
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 2: It's the ESPN fifteen thirty Ernston Associates Final four Show,

1272
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 2: presented by Dui Maatt dot com. We are live from

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01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 2: the Airport, Paint and Body Broadcast area here in Indianapolis.

1274
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 2: We talked a little bit last hour about the first

1275
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 2: six games of the Red season, and there's been some

1276
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 2: good and some bad. I think you know Andrew Abbott

1277
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: pitched yesterday with very little margin for error. He makes

1278
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 2: a mistake to O'Neil Cruz. I don't know that it

1279
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 2: was worth overreacting to his first start on opening Day

1280
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 2: when he was terrific, And I don't know if it

1281
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 2: was if it's worth overreacting to the start he made yesterday.

1282
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 2: I think Andrew Abbot's really interesting for a few different reasons,

1283
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 2: not the least of which is he was pedestrian in

1284
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: the second half of the season, and right now the

1285
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 2: Reds need him to be a staff as we covered

1286
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 2: this ad nauseum leading up to the opener, but without

1287
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 2: Hunter Green, and at least for the moment, without Nicolo Dolo,

1288
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 2: and with there's still being an experienced gap. Although I

1289
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 2: think everybody loved how Chase Burns pitched the other day,

1290
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: there's they're they're they're they're asking a lot of the

1291
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: rotation depth, and they're asking a lot of Andrew Abbott,

1292
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 2: and you're asking even more of him when he's pitching

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Speaker 2: against Paul Skins. But even beyond that, what Andrew Abbott

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Speaker 2: are the Reds going to get? And I don't think

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Speaker 2: anybody would be surprised if they see somebody who is

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Speaker 2: a close fact similar to the guy the Reds got

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Speaker 2: in the first half of the season last year.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that anybody would be stunned.

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Speaker 2: If what we saw from Andrew Abbott in the second

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Speaker 2: half of the season continues this year, it's going to

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Speaker 2: be interesting. I also think there's fair reason to be

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Speaker 2: concerned about Amelio Pagan, and this is not so much

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Speaker 2: about him as closer. It's about him and what we

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Speaker 2: have seen from him so far this season. Amelio Pagan

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01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 2: is interesting a he is their regular closer. It's fair

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01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 2: to wonder how long that leash is going to be,

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Speaker 2: especially if we see the Connor Phillips that we saw

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Speaker 2: on Saturday's game, which I thought he was the main

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Speaker 2: reason why they won that ballgame with the two scoreless

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Speaker 2: innings after Pagan gave up the game tying home run

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Speaker 2: in the top of the ninth inning. But even beyond that,

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Speaker 2: if he's not closing, he's on this team to pitch

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Speaker 2: in high leverage situations. Every player has a career year.

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Speaker 2: It is fair to wonder with Amelio Pegan, was last

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Speaker 2: season about as good as it's going to get, And

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Speaker 2: that is something to wonder whether he's closing. It's something

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01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: to wonder if he's going to be the seventh inning guy.

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Speaker 2: But that's definitely worth pen attention to. Tony brought up

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Speaker 2: something that I had not given a lot of thought

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Speaker 2: to when we did our segment quick kits on Tony

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Speaker 2: Pike since he three to sixty, And that's the idea

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Speaker 2: of going ahead and locking in.

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Speaker 3: Sal Stuart salth Stewart's a rookie.

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Speaker 2: He's played, you know, basically a little bit more than

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01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 2: a month worth of big league games. But this has

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01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 2: been something that has been happening in this sport for

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Speaker 2: a while, where dude sign contracts that basically puts them

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01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 2: under cost control for the remainder of the team control

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Speaker 2: years and maybe some of the player's free agent years

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01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 2: are bought. And you are making these investments, and you

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01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 2: are signing these contracts, you know, before the player is

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Speaker 2: fully established. It would be interesting to see if the

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Speaker 2: Reds would have a willingness to do that with Sal Stuart.

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Speaker 2: It would be interesting to see if Sal Stewart would

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Speaker 2: have a willingness to sign one of those deals. I

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Speaker 2: think if you're a team like the Reds and understanding

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01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 2: that maybe Baseball's economic model is going to change. Although

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to hold my breath. I think when

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01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 2: you're a team like the Reds, and I don't use

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01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 2: the small market thing as an excuse, but it's out there.

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Speaker 2: If you want to talk about their limited resources relative

1342
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 2: to some of the bigger market teams, you've got to

1343
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: find areas where you can make investments like the one

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Speaker 2: the Reds made in Hunter Green.

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01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 3: Now, there's a lot of frustration with Hunter.

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01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 2: Green right now, and I think it's deserved because of

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01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: how he handled his injury that has him currently on

1348
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 2: the injured list and has him not pitching for the

1349
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Speaker 2: Reds in the first half of the season. But what

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01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 2: the Reds did with Hunter Green was pretty smart. Right,

1351
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 2: here's a second overall pick. We certainly believed enough in

1352
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 2: him to use that pick on him. We've been with

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01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 2: him through various injuries that he's gone through at the

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01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 2: minor league level. We love his upside, we think he's

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Speaker 2: going to achieve a status. We're going to go ahead

1356
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 2: and you know, basically guarantee his salary for the remainder

1357
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 2: of his cost of his team controlled years, and we're

1358
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 2: going to buy out a free agency year, and it

1359
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 2: was a smart investment. And even though Hunter's not pitching

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Speaker 2: right now, and even though there's legitimate questions about his

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01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 2: health and his durability, and maybe some legitimate questions about

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Speaker 2: the relationship between Hunter and the team, and maybe some

1363
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Speaker 2: legitimate questions about whether Hunter's you know, going to be

1364
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Speaker 2: a red long term. Maybe they're going to trade him,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it was still a smart investment to make.

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Speaker 2: You're always you know, going to lean in on betting

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Speaker 2: on talent, and with Hunter, you know, last year and

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Speaker 2: I used this a lot. He was the eighty first

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Speaker 2: highest paid starting pitcher in baseball. It was an investment

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Speaker 2: worth making. If you're a smaller market team, you've got

1371
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Speaker 2: to find some areas where you can get a guy

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Speaker 2: under cost control or perhaps the overall some of the

1373
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: contract looks like it's uber expensive, but if the dude

1374
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Speaker 2: ends up being really, really, really good, what he's making

1375
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 2: turns out to be a bargain.

1376
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Speaker 3: And that has been the case with Hunter Green.

1377
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Speaker 2: Now he's more of a bargain if he's healthy, and

1378
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 2: he's more of a bargain if he maximizes his potential.

1379
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 3: But it be completely reasonable to.

1380
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Speaker 2: Look at doing that with some other guys, and it's

1381
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 2: not happened with Matt McLain, and maybe Matt McClain regrets that,

1382
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: And it's not happened with Tyler Stevenson, And I don't

1383
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 2: think it's gonna happen with Elie Delacruz.

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Speaker 3: Could it happen with Sal Stewart?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: The downside is, you know what if the dude ends

1387
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Speaker 3: up not.

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Speaker 2: Being very good and this money is guaranteed to him

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Speaker 2: for the remainder of his team controlled years. But if

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Speaker 2: you're gonna make if you really if you really believe

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Speaker 2: in the players you have, if you really believe in

1392
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 2: how your players have developed, then I would imagine you

1393
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Speaker 2: look at a guy like Sal Stewart and say, okay, fine,

1394
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Speaker 2: maybe he's not fully established yet, maybe he's not a

1395
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 2: finished product, but we do have him under team control

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Speaker 2: for the next six years. Let's go ahead and guarantee

1397
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 2: that money. Let's pay him a lot, but put him

1398
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 2: under cost control. That insulates us against him coming to

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Speaker 2: us after three years and getting a higher salary.

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Speaker 3: And then he will get if.

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Speaker 2: He is under cost control, and maybe you buy out

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01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: a free agent year or two. Think it's going to

1403
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 2: be interesting with him to see if that is an

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01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 2: option for either side or perhaps both.

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Speaker 3: We will see.

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Speaker 2: I think for this team this year, I think what

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01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 2: we see over the first six games. You know, we

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Speaker 2: talked about this on opening day the Reds. Last year,

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01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 2: their longest winning streak was five games. Now their longest

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01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 2: losing streak was five games. And you know, we did

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Speaker 2: the whole thing all season last year about how they

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01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 2: you know, they never got swept, and that's good because that.

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Speaker 3: Means you're not going to go on a long losing streak.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, this team never really had that

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Speaker 2: stretch where they win fifteen out of twenty, or where

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Speaker 2: they win twenty one out of twenty five, or like

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Speaker 2: they did in twenty twenty three, win twelve consecutive games.

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Speaker 2: And what I wonder with this team, and this isn't

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Speaker 2: so much reaction to the first six, although in the

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Speaker 2: first six they start three to one, they're even up

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Speaker 2: in three and three. The prevailing sentiment is close to

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Speaker 2: a five hundred team. The only way they're not is

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Speaker 2: if they go on a stretch that we didn't see

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Speaker 2: them go through last year, where they rattle off a

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Speaker 2: long winning streak where they could do something like win

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Speaker 2: sixteen out of twenty and by the way, maybe they

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Speaker 2: could still do that here in the first month of

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Speaker 2: the season, but it is one of the questions that

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Speaker 2: radio row at the Super Bowl is anymore not so

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Speaker 2: thirteen sixty Yukon and Illinois. After that remarkable finish that

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Speaker 2: I think is one of the most insane sequences, and

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Speaker 2: I know there's lots of company as far as this

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Speaker 2: opinion is concerned. That ended the Yukon duke game, and

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Speaker 2: then Michigan and Arizona, which is going to be just

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Speaker 2: absolutely awesome in the other semi final. Maybe not necessarily

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Speaker 2: a chalky final four, but still a final four with Yukon,

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Speaker 2: which is a pseudo modern day dynasty, a couple of

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Speaker 2: And I think for the most part, this is what

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Speaker 2: college basketball fans want in the final four. Now, if

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Speaker 2: you root for a team that's lower seeded, or if

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Speaker 2: you root for a team that's a non traditional power,

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Speaker 2: you know, obviously you prefer to see your team in

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Speaker 2: the final four. I don't know that we want a

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Speaker 2: ton of Cinderellas this late in the tournament. We will

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Speaker 2: I have an obligation to ask him about that, and

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty three Associates Final Four show from Indianapolis,

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Speaker 2: the Final Four this weekend. We're broadcasting from Indy today

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Speaker 2: and tomorrow, and let's get right to it. But joined

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01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 2: by somebody because I want to hear his his overseas

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01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 2: stories and I want to talk about what he's doing

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Speaker 2: this weekend. But he's he's one of the stars of

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Speaker 2: this tournament because of what his high Point team did

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Speaker 2: against Wisconsin. His viral reaction to what his team did

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Speaker 2: against Wisconsin in round one. Flinn Clayman, the head coach

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Speaker 2: at high Point, is with us. I always think of

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01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 2: Tubby Smith when I think of high Point. You've changed

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Speaker 2: that a little bit. Congratulations.

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 6: Man? Keep thinking about Telly. I got a long way

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01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 6: to get to where what he's done.

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Speaker 7: And he's been a great supporter too, and he still

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Speaker 7: lives right down the street from Evil played at high

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Speaker 7: Point and right he's a high Point legend, so long

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Speaker 7: way to reach him.

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Speaker 3: All right, high Point beats Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: You do the interview after the game, and you are

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Speaker 2: like defiant and emphatic making the case for mid majors,

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Speaker 2: it goes viral.

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Speaker 3: It was awesome.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, in that moment when you consider that

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Speaker 7: I was a first year head coach and everything that

1531
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 7: went into you know, coming up in this business, like

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01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 7: everything came at me really fast in that moment, and

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Speaker 7: people got the real authentic.

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Speaker 6: Version, not the in front of the camera version.

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Speaker 7: Quite frankly, I'm happy that I didn't really emphasize what

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01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 7: I wanted to emphasize, which was that our players are

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01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 7: really good, are team was really good, and then nobody

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01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 7: should have doubted them.

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Speaker 6: And that's really what that's about.

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01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 7: And I kind of made it about the high majors

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01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 7: not playing the mid major, but really what I'm talking

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Speaker 7: about is the system we have.

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Speaker 3: If we could.

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01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 7: Reward high majors more to play games like against US

1545
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 7: in the non conference than they would play them, you know,

1546
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 7: and the system can fix in that way.

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Speaker 3: How do you win thirty one games in year one

1548
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 3: in this era?

1549
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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, first, I got to give a ton

1550
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,719
Speaker 7: of credit to coach Huss who was our head coach before,

1551
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 7: so I come in as his lead assistant. But he

1552
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 7: had a great plan for how to run a program.

1553
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 7: He was a first time head coach as well, and

1554
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 7: he laid the foundation for how we do things on

1555
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 7: a day to day basis. So we won twenty seven

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01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 7: games his first year, one twenty nine the next. So

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Speaker 7: I was just kind of building on what we did,

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01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 7: and I did have to get a lot of new

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01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 7: players and all that, but the foundation of our culture

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Speaker 7: and what we were doing on a day day basis

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01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 7: was laid with the you know, twenty seven to twenty

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Speaker 7: nine one season.

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Speaker 2: We followed closely area kids from the greater Cincinnati area,

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01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 2: and you had Cayden Miller from Cove, cath.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Cayden, you know, he finished at Moravian Prep in

1566
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 7: North Carolina, but Cincinnati dad played for the Bengals.

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01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 6: He's going to be a great player for us.

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01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 7: He had some moments this year as a true freshman

1569
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 7: again on a very talented team. You know, like we

1570
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 7: had a guy who won a national championship at Yukon,

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01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 7: you know, as our backup center.

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Speaker 6: So he's like behind that.

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01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 7: And he still found ways to get on the floor

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Speaker 7: because he's super talented, super athletic. He comes from an

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01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 7: athletic family, tough kid. He's going to be great for

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01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 7: us next year.

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01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 2: You're coaching in the the Reese's NABC All Star Game, right,

1578
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 2: and so it's a collection of senior as a collection

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01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 2: of college basketball players from around the country. I've talked

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01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 2: with players who have played in the game. I've never

1581
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,759
Speaker 2: talked with a coach who's coached in the game. What's dislike,

1582
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 2: what's this process?

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01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 4: Like?

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01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 7: This is my first time coaching in All Star Game.

1585
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 7: I was in one All Star Game overseas, but like,

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01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 7: my career hasn't been a bunch of All Star games,

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01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 7: you know, it just really hasn't so kind of new

1588
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 7: to me, you know, just trying to really all I'm

1589
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 7: focused on with the All Star Game is to make

1590
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 7: sure the guys have fun and the guys get exposure

1591
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 7: to the NBA scouts who are here to see him.

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01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 2: And I don't know, there's really no other goal for

1593
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 2: me other than yeah, so you're not you know, like,

1594
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 2: here's our playbook. We're gonna put all this stuff, and

1595
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:04,560
Speaker 2: it doesn't work like that.

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01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 7: I mean, we just put in a couple of little,

1597
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 7: very basic things that they could do without me even

1598
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 7: telling them, you know, and uh, you don't have time

1599
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 7: anyway to try to do something like that when you're

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01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 7: talking one practice to get ready for it.

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01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 6: So they're really talent.

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01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 7: I mean, I just rolled the balls out and I'm thinking, well, okay,

1603
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 7: this this works without me coaching a whole lot. So

1604
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,560
Speaker 7: when you get really good players, you look like you

1605
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 7: can do something.

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01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 3: So you've got the easting, You've got Trey Carroll.

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01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 2: You've got Bruce Thornton from Ohio State, the program's all

1608
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 2: time leading score. You've got Javon Bennett. So you have

1609
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 2: some players that in our part of the country we're

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01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 2: very familiar with.

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01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:36,759
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, great players.

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01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 7: I mean Bruce in particular, Like it's so it's so

1613
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 7: special to see a kid that was with the school

1614
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 7: now for four years and just talking to him, like

1615
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 7: really special kid. He's gonna be a Buckeye legend forever

1616
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 7: for investing in that program.

1617
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 6: Like you'd love to see that sort of thing.

1618
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 7: And that's not against anybody who transferred for whatever reasons,

1619
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 7: because there's a lot of good reasons too, but really

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01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 7: love coaching guys like him.

1621
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 6: And then Trey is just a great guy. Yeah, great personality,

1622
01:18:59,439 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 6: a lot of fun.

1623
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 7: You know, we don't have like a strength coach here,

1624
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 7: so like he leads the warm up, you know, and

1625
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 7: the vocal about it, and he's here with his wife

1626
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 7: and his dog and he's just a great guy.

1627
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 3: So the Wisconsin game, and I wonder if coaches like this.

1628
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 2: So selection Sunday, high Point pops up and instantly Clark

1629
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 2: Kellogg says, high Point, I'm picking high Point. Is that

1630
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 2: something where you're like, man, come on, don't do that

1631
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 2: to us, or you're like, yeah, let's go.

1632
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 3: Let's prove Clark Keller correct.

1633
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 7: Well, you know, if you listen to when he said it,

1634
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 7: Seth Davis says, oh, don't do it. That got me

1635
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 7: because last year he picked us right on TV. You

1636
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 7: know you would prefer not. You know, you prefer not

1637
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 7: because he does put a target right on your back.

1638
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 7: But we felt like we had a target go on

1639
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 7: our back. Anyway, we went into the tournament with the

1640
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 7: longest wind streak in the country, everybody talking about us.

1641
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 6: So I appreciate the love from Clark Keller.

1642
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, you proved him correct. Well, he picked the

1643
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 10: sweet sixteen, so I didn't quite dare fair. But you

1644
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 10: were a dogfight with Arkansas right with cal very good.

1645
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 10: You told me all heir, you played over with Yancy Gates.

1646
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 10: Now that's that's a Cincinnati basketball name from the city

1647
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 10: played at you see what was it like playing where?

1648
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 3: Where in the world did you play with Yancy Gates? Yeah,

1649
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 3: it's pretty cool.

1650
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 7: We played in a lot Israel, which is, you know,

1651
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 7: the southernmost tip of Israel, right on the border of

1652
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 7: Jordan and Egypt, right on the Red Sea where Moses

1653
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:22,759
Speaker 7: part of the waters. And it's a very small area,

1654
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 7: you know, and so we got we got to travel

1655
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 7: all over Israel. You know, I played there for three years.

1656
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 7: I played one year with him, He played for a

1657
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 7: couple more teams after that in Israel. Great guy, super talented.

1658
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 7: Just love playing with him.

1659
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Stanley Burrall, you played with him as well. Xavier Musketeer.

1660
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 7: Yep, So I played with him in Israel as well,

1661
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 7: up in the north. Totally different experience. You know, we

1662
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 7: used to have to drive to h to Nazareth to

1663
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 7: get bacon because you know, it was hard to get

1664
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 7: bacon out there, but at Nazareth they get they did

1665
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 7: have bacon at the market. So he could tell you

1666
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,719
Speaker 7: about that story. He's a great point guard, great Xavier legend.

1667
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. Why why that part of the world in particular,

1668
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 2: did did you choose to play professionally.

1669
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 3: I played a few places.

1670
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,759
Speaker 7: I played in the country Georgia, I played in Ecuador,

1671
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 7: I played in Brazil and then Israel.

1672
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 6: Was a very good opportunity. It's a very good league.

1673
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 7: You know, those players that you're talking about there are

1674
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 7: very high level, you know, professionals playing overseas. So it

1675
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:14,679
Speaker 7: was the best opportunity I had, and I just rode

1676
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 7: with it and had a great time there.

1677
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 2: All Right, you have a lot to do. You've got

1678
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 2: to coach a team. You've got to get pulled in

1679
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 2: a thousand directions. I'll let you run. Can't thank you enough.

1680
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,679
Speaker 2: Awesome to meet you, and best of luck moving forward.

1681
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, you got it. One of the

1682
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 2: stories of the NCAA Tournament this year, high Point and

1683
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 2: the upset win over Wisconsin, Flinn claiming the head coach

1684
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 2: at high Point. This is the ESPN fifteen thirty Ernston

1685
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Speaker 2: aside before we joined. We're joined by our next guest

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Speaker 2: We're joined by There are not many head coaches in

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Speaker 2: men's college basketball. You have been at their school for

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Speaker 2: as long as James Jones has been at Yale. He's

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the time. Good afternoon, Thank you, more appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Uh, A great season for you guys. Start by the

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Speaker 3: IVY League.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we follow high major college basketball right

1720
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:29,839
Speaker 2: in this climate.

1721
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 3: What is coaching in the IVY League like, well, you.

1722
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,679
Speaker 11: Know, again, it's not much different than the high level

1723
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 11: of college basketball. Like, you know, the play at our

1724
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 11: conference and you know, trying to win games on the

1725
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 11: road is just as hard for us as it is

1726
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 11: for Arizona and Duke in Carolina to win games on

1727
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:49,759
Speaker 11: the road. It's just you know, a different level obviously,

1728
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 11: but it's the same stuff. It's the same game. And

1729
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 11: you know, we feel like our team has been able

1730
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 11: to compete against most teams in the country each of

1731
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 11: the last you know, ten years or so, Yeah.

1732
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 2: What is something about being an IVY League student athlete

1733
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 2: that maybe folks in this part of the country don't know.

1734
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 11: Well, none of our kids get paid, at least not

1735
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 11: to the level nobody at Yell is getting paid. I

1736
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 11: think there's some guys in the league that things are

1737
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 11: starting to change a little bit, but there's nothing on

1738
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 11: paper that has been set for us to be able

1739
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 11: to do that. So that's a huge different for us.

1740
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 11: And you know, our young men really care about their

1741
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 11: future and their education. And I'm not to say that

1742
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 11: others don't, but at our level and what we do,

1743
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 11: kids really care about getting their education and they're thinking

1744
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 11: about the next forty years of their life, not just

1745
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 11: next four.

1746
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 2: You think of you at Yale since the turn of

1747
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 2: the century, and it does feel like a lot of

1748
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 2: the coaches across a lot of different sports in the

1749
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 2: IVY League they're lifers at those schools.

1750
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 11: Well in some regards, yes, in some regards no. You know, again,

1751
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 11: I've been at Yale for a long time. Tommy Amicker

1752
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 11: has been at the Harvard for a while. But outside

1753
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 11: of the two of us, there's been a lot of

1754
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 11: turnover in the league since I've been there. I mean,

1755
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 11: I can count probably about four coaches at each place

1756
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 11: I've been at. Yale has been neda turned over. Right now,

1757
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 11: You look at some other sports and I think that

1758
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 11: when you're successful, it's easy to stay. But if you're not,

1759
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 11: just like everywhere else, they're going to try to find

1760
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 11: someone else.

1761
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:13,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, as as somebody who works at a school in Connecticut,

1762
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 2: are you required to root for Yukon in the Final four?

1763
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 3: Does it work that way?

1764
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 11: No, I only recruit for Yale basketball.

1765
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 3: Man. Come on, I wasn't sure. I didn't know. I

1766
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 3: didn't know.

1767
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 2: If like you come to an event like this, you

1768
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 2: work at a school in Connecticut, Connecticut's playing in it.

1769
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:28,680
Speaker 3: If it worked that way, it doesn't have to be.

1770
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:29,719
Speaker 3: It's not a huge surprise.

1771
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 11: I guess at this time of year, every coach unless

1772
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 11: you're we hate everybody. I don't like anybody, right, I'm

1773
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 11: you know, come on, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna watch

1774
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 11: games as a fan because I'm I'm a huge basketball fan.

1775
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 11: And you know, I can't go to sleep until one

1776
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 11: shining moment is over and Luther Vandro sings and that's

1777
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 11: then the college basketball for the year for me. And

1778
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 11: you know, get well for the season for me and

1779
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 11: get ready to get it done and start building for

1780
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 11: the next year.

1781
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that process for you. How does what we're and

1782
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 3: how does that begin for next year?

1783
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,600
Speaker 11: Well, it already began, Like you know, we had a

1784
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 11: end of this year meeting two weeks after the season

1785
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 11: was over, and then we have individual workouts going on

1786
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 11: with our guys right now, try to build and try

1787
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 11: to get their minds right. And they leave campus because

1788
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 11: we don't practice over the summer like everybody else does,

1789
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 11: so we'll send them home with different things that they

1790
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 11: need to work on individually to come back to be better.

1791
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1792
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 2: Do you do you have a thought on these two

1793
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 2: games on Saturday? It stands out when you think of

1794
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 2: these matchups.

1795
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, like you know, no shade on Illinois and Yukon.

1796
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 11: I just think that the Michigan Arizona game is you know,

1797
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:34,599
Speaker 11: unbelievable too. You know, powerhouses going against each other from

1798
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 11: this year, and I think they're the two best teams

1799
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 11: in the in the tournament. But then again, you know,

1800
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 11: if Illinois Yukon won a national championship, it wouldn't surprise

1801
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 11: me greatly. I think that after playing the games back

1802
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 11: to back and then where the matchups work out. You

1803
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 11: never know what's gonna happen. That's why we play the games.

1804
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 11: But it's gonna be a great watch, you know. I'm

1805
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 11: looking forward to watching Michigan. I'm gonna have great seats

1806
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 11: for it. I'm looking forward to it.

1807
01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 2: I've been in new Haven, Connecticut once in my life.

1808
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 2: Aught a Yale basketball T shirt summer of two thousand

1809
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 2: and six. This is a true story. This did happen, okay,

1810
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 2: And I was told when I go to New Haven

1811
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 2: because I love pizza, right, pizza capital of the world,

1812
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 2: no question.

1813
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 3: Tell folks who don't know what they find.

1814
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,560
Speaker 11: In New Haven, Well, listen, there are several places that

1815
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 11: you have to come to have pizza in New Haven.

1816
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 11: There's this Peppi's Pizza. There's Bar which was my favorite,

1817
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 11: There's Sally's, and there's oh, that's one other that's escaping

1818
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 11: my memory. I'll get it you in a second before

1819
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 11: we go, but that that's a tremendous thing. And there's

1820
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 11: so much history in the uh in New Haven, Connecticut.

1821
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,799
Speaker 11: You know, potato chips and things in the Hamburgers supposedly

1822
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 11: and been in in New Haven Connecticut. It's a wonderful

1823
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,679
Speaker 11: place to live and I've enjoyed it for Martin Pizzas

1824
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 11: the last one. Yeah, it's it's a it's a great

1825
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 11: place to live, and it's a great place to watch

1826
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 11: college basketball though.

1827
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 2: All right, Coaches Versus Cancer it's you can't talk about

1828
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 2: college basketball without talking about Coaches versus Cancer. And it's

1829
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,560
Speaker 2: the Coaches Versus Cancer Classic, And that's awesome. It's a

1830
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 2: great event. But what you guys do and and you're

1831
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 2: your connection to people who are fighting cancer, who are

1832
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 2: living with cancer, who are working on cancer research, is

1833
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 2: a three hundred and sixty five day thing. So let's

1834
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:10,719
Speaker 2: talk about Coaches Versus Cancer. I guess specifically this weekend.

1835
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 11: Yeah, so you know, you know, we have a board

1836
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 11: meeting that's going to occur tomorrow morning and it's just

1837
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 11: a Saturday morning, excuse me. It's just a wonderful thing

1838
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 11: to get together with a group of people who are

1839
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 11: all focused on helping others. You know, my mom died

1840
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 11: when I was forty two, and that's just way too

1841
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 11: young to lose a mom. And that being said, the

1842
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 11: work that's been done, the money that's been raised, their

1843
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 11: research has been done over the last five years. It's

1844
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 11: to change lives, to save lives and also have quality

1845
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 11: of lives be better. You know, I feel really akin

1846
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 11: to it. I feel like, you know, the Christian values

1847
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 11: of trying to help your fellow man, and I think

1848
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 11: that when you get together with a group of people

1849
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 11: on the energy in a room and everybody focused on

1850
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 11: just trying to help others, it's an absolutely wonderful thing.

1851
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 11: And I'm really proud to be part of it.

1852
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 2: And the great thing I always think, like you talk

1853
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 2: about like you hate everybody. Coaches are competitive, but this

1854
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 2: is the one common opponent. This is the one thing

1855
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 2: that brings you guys together.

1856
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 11: No question. I think that this is something that everybody

1857
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 11: on the planet can get involved with because everybody's going

1858
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 11: to be touched by this dreaded disease one way or

1859
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 11: the other, either physically themselves or somebody that they love.

1860
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 11: There's no one is not going to have somebody that

1861
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 11: they love that comes down with cancer and they're going

1862
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 11: to have a battle for their life.

1863
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 2: Awesome to have you a pleasure. I appreciate you doing this.

1864
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 2: I appreciate you letting everybody in Cincinnati know about pizza

1865
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 2: and New Haven.

1866
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 3: This is what you guy do.

1867
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 2: Mo.

1868
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:32,679
Speaker 11: Next time you come back, you get a free Yale

1869
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,560
Speaker 11: basketball T shirt from me, and I gotta take you

1870
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 11: to pizza.

1871
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 3: I had to go to the bookstore again. This is

1872
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 3: twenty years ago.

1873
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 11: Well, I tell you you come back again, I'll take

1874
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 11: care of you.

1875
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 3: I promise done. We'll make that happen. Yes, sir coach,

1876
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 3: thanks so much. You got it all right.

1877
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 2: It is twenty minutes after five o'clock. James Jones, the

1878
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:50,839
Speaker 2: head coach at Yale University. We appreciate his time. Trey Carroll,

1879
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 2: the Xavier Musketeer who is playing in the NABC All

1880
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 2: Star Game this weekend. That coming up in just about

1881
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:02,480
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. This is the ESPN fifteen thirty Earnston Associate's

1882
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,519
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1885
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1886
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 2: today broadcast area from right here in Indianapolis. Obviously we're

1887
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 2: here in indye a lot of college basketball stuff. The

1888
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 2: Bengals news of the day is not insignificant, so the

1889
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:30,839
Speaker 2: Bengals made a couple of moves today and I think one, frankly,

1890
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 2: stands out a little bit more than the others. Kyle Duggar,

1891
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,879
Speaker 2: a safety, gets a one year contract from the Bengals,

1892
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 2: A player who was traded by the Patriots to the

1893
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 2: Steelers midway through last season, and an interesting player. Interesting

1894
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 2: player from the standpoint of he's He's a guy whose

1895
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 2: best seasons were in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three.

1896
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 3: A guy who the Patriots signed to a.

1897
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 2: Long term deal but prior to the twenty twenty four

1898
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 2: season and then bailed from that midway through last year.

1899
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 2: A guy who had that pick six against Joe Flacco

1900
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 2: last year that came against against the Steelers. But I

1901
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:18,640
Speaker 2: think a guy who gives the Bengals an option that

1902
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 2: they didn't have last year. And you know, obviously they

1903
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 2: signed Brian Cook, they still have Jordan Battle, But if

1904
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 2: you think of the safety room last year, I think

1905
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 2: the first thing that comes to mind is obviously Geno Stone,

1906
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 2: but not just Geno Stone. The amount of time we

1907
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 2: talked about why Geno Stone continues to play when he

1908
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 2: wasn't very good last year, and the reason was with

1909
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 2: a lack of confidence in the safeties behind a Geno

1910
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 2: Stone and behind Jordan Battle. Although Jordan certainly did things

1911
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:48,839
Speaker 2: last season to make you feel like he should continue

1912
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 2: to be a part of the team, in twenty twenty five,

1913
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 2: it was I think this is fair to say, a

1914
01:31:56,360 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 2: complete lack of faith and confidence in the young young

1915
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:03,839
Speaker 2: guys they had in the safety room Dejon Anthony, Tyson

1916
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 2: Anderson because of a lack of experience at that position.

1917
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 3: Now it's a veteran option.

1918
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 2: How Al Golden deploys his safeties, your guess is as

1919
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 2: good as mine, but I do think it helps to

1920
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 2: have like a veteran option. He's a version I think

1921
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 2: of what we have been looking for the Bengals to

1922
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:25,960
Speaker 2: get at linebacker, where I think there's been nobody expecting

1923
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 2: the Bengals to go find a star linebacker and free agency,

1924
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 2: but it's a veteran guy who's been there before that

1925
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 2: the younger guys could attach themselves to that you could

1926
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 2: feel confident in knowing the system and playing at a

1927
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,680
Speaker 2: certain level. They still lack that at linebacker behind the

1928
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 2: two guys they had last year, but that doesn't mean

1929
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 2: they can't go get that at safety.

1930
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 3: And so in Kyle Dugger. I feel like they have that.

1931
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:52,839
Speaker 2: Now many will wonder is signing Kyle Dugger an indication

1932
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Speaker 2: that they're not gonna draft Caleb Downs. They may not

1933
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 2: draft Caleb Downs. They may not draft Caleb Downs because

1934
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 2: he's not there at ten. They may not draft Caleb

1935
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 2: Downs just because they think, you know, pass rush is

1936
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 2: king and we like an edge who's there, Or maybe

1937
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 2: they do take a linebacker at ten. We'll see, and

1938
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 2: we'll see how the first nine picks unfold. As much

1939
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 2: as you might argue the Bengals don't deserve the benefit

1940
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,560
Speaker 2: of the doubt, I don't think it's I would be

1941
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 2: hard pressed to believe that they will not draft Caleb Downs,

1942
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 2: who you would draft for the next four to five years,

1943
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 2: because they have Kyle Dugger for the next season. As

1944
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 2: as much as you could say that everything the Bengals

1945
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 2: does strains credibility, that notion strains credibility. We will see

1946
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 2: Reds split the first home stand of the season two

1947
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 2: out of three, winning two out of three against Boston,

1948
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,719
Speaker 2: then losing two out of three to the Pirates, losing

1949
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 2: the last three games eight to three. I don't know

1950
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 2: that there is anything there to necessarily overreact to. I've

1951
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 2: brought up the bottom of the batting order, which spots

1952
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 2: six through nine in the order are nine for eighty

1953
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 2: one on the season. That is a small sample size,

1954
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:07,759
Speaker 2: and the bottom end of the batting order is probably

1955
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 2: not going to be as productive as the top end

1956
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 2: of the batting order. But when you see the lack

1957
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:15,640
Speaker 2: of production from the bottom four, you can't help but wonder, A,

1958
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 2: can this offense be as good as we would all

1959
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 2: like if there's not a lot of lineup balance, and

1960
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 2: b if the Reds don't get from the first five

1961
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 2: spots in the batting order what we have talked about

1962
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 2: them all off season getting, is there anybody else to

1963
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 2: pick up the slack? It is a scary thing listening

1964
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 2: to Austin and Tony today on Tony's since he three

1965
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 2: to sixty, when I'm already hearing folks wonder should they

1966
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 2: bring up Reese Hines. This is no knock on Reese Hines,

1967
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:49,839
Speaker 2: but we're already launching into wondering if dudes in Louisville

1968
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:52,640
Speaker 2: can be the savior for this team. That is a

1969
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,640
Speaker 2: reflection of the lack of production at the bottom end

1970
01:34:56,160 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 2: of the batting order the star I think easily the

1971
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 2: star of the first week of the baseball season has

1972
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:11,560
Speaker 2: been the ABS system, which has been awesome. I was

1973
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 2: listening to to Marty and Tracy talk about this last

1974
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 2: hour and they were talking about cbe Buckner's awful Saturday

1975
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 2: when he got five of six challenges overturn based on

1976
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:28,560
Speaker 2: his original calls, including multiple occasions where consecutive pitches were overturned.

1977
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:31,680
Speaker 2: And was that embarrassing for cbe Buckner? Perhaps, But the

1978
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 2: ABS system has been the star of the first week

1979
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 2: of the season. First of all, completely non intrusive, completely

1980
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 2: non intrusive.

1981
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 3: We're not watching a referee with his head under the hood.

1982
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 2: We're not watching college basket college basketball officials huddle around

1983
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 2: a monitor that the review takes mere seconds. By the way,

1984
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:56,600
Speaker 2: there's something about it that fans at the ballpark have

1985
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 2: latched onto. Some of the loudest cheers from over the

1986
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 2: weekend have been on ABS challenges. It's non intrusive, it's

1987
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 2: easy to follow, it's very transparent. By the way, it

1988
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:13,599
Speaker 2: works like the strike zone. For my entire life, you've

1989
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 2: heard about how it's it's up for interpretation. So and

1990
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,840
Speaker 2: so umpire has a wide strike zone. Such and such

1991
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:24,599
Speaker 2: umpire calls a high strike. This umpire is more likely

1992
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 2: to call a low strike. The strike zone has never

1993
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:31,720
Speaker 2: been something that's supposed to be interpreted. It's something that's

1994
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 2: supposed to be enforced. And yet for decades, for decades,

1995
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I remember growing up and hearing about how

1996
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 2: well you know, Bruce Freming has he'll call the high strike,

1997
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 2: but he's not going to call the low strike. And

1998
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 2: Doug Harvey, you know what, he'll he'll let pictures extend

1999
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 2: the borders of the strike zone a little bit.

2000
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 3: That's cute.

2001
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 2: The strike zone is not something that's supposed to be personalized.

2002
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 2: It's not supposed to be interpreted. It's supposed to be enforced.

2003
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 2: The ABS system for versus the empires to enforce a

2004
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 2: strike zone, which is what they should be doing. The

2005
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 2: strike zone has never been designed to be personalized. We

2006
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 2: don't personalize foul calls. We don't personalized and there's you know,

2007
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 2: there's areas of subjectivity with stuff like that. With the

2008
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 2: strike zone, it's not supposed to be subjective. It doesn't

2009
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 2: mean you have to be perfect. Nobody is demanding that

2010
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 2: homeplate umpires be perfect. Everybody acknowledges for the most part,

2011
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 2: they're really good at what they do, but there should

2012
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:31,599
Speaker 2: be some degree of uniformity understanding. The strike zone will

2013
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 2: adjust based on a player's height, which the ABS system

2014
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:38,519
Speaker 2: has accounted for. The strike zone is supposed to be enforced,

2015
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 2: not personalized, not interpreted. It's not so much about embarrassing

2016
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 2: bad umpires. Although bad players get embarrassed, Poorly prepared players

2017
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 2: get embarrassed. Poorly prepared coaches and managers get embarrassed. Poor

2018
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 2: performing managers who make boneheaded decisions get embarrassed. Like it's

2019
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 2: not about embarrassment, it's about it's about getting more calls correct.

2020
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 2: It's also there's also a strategic component to this, which

2021
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:10,879
Speaker 2: is fascinating, where managers and teams in the actual pitchers

2022
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:15,360
Speaker 2: and hitters and catchers themselves have to in a split

2023
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 2: second make decisions about what to challenge and what not

2024
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 2: to and which situations you might be a little bit

2025
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 2: more willing to let the call stand versus challenging holding

2026
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:27,600
Speaker 2: onto your challenges, using one early in the game. The

2027
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,120
Speaker 2: ripple effect of using a challenge early in the game

2028
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 2: and what that might mean in the later innings. That's

2029
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 2: fun like part of being a baseball fan is the

2030
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 2: fun of playing along with the manager, right. And I

2031
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 2: know there's folks who when we've done that with Tito Francona,

2032
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 2: get all mad. But part of the fun is like

2033
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,280
Speaker 2: not just second guessing, but also first guessing the manager.

2034
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 2: Now you can first guess the players when it comes

2035
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 2: to challenging a call, not challenging a call maybe early

2036
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:54,560
Speaker 2: in a game, heck, maybe later in the game. The

2037
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 2: ABS system is going to give us fewer strikeouts. Fewer

2038
01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:00,599
Speaker 2: strikeouts means the balls put in play more. That's good.

2039
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:05,640
Speaker 3: Also, umps are no longer allowed to be jerks like

2040
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 3: you and.

2041
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 2: I both know, and I've I've talked to enough former

2042
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 2: baseball players in my life to know that this sort

2043
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 2: of thing would happen. Where a guy who has a

2044
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:18,360
Speaker 2: bad relationship with a homeplay at umpire a hitter is

2045
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 2: gonna be less likely to get a call than a

2046
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 2: hitter that he likes. Or maybe for that hitter that

2047
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 2: the yump doesn't have a great relationship with, he'll extend

2048
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 2: the boundaries of the strike zone or maybe squeeze a

2049
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 2: picture that he doesn't get along with. That's not supposed

2050
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,719
Speaker 2: to happen we're gonna have less of that. We're gonna

2051
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:36,720
Speaker 2: have less human bias coming into play. By the way

2052
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:39,799
Speaker 2: I read in the Inquirer today, Jason Williams he's concerned

2053
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 2: about little league umpires being affected by ABS. Dude, We've

2054
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:46,800
Speaker 2: had replay in professional sports for decades. There really hasn't

2055
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 2: been a huge impact on little league umpires, youth league coaches.

2056
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 2: Bigger issue for those people are parents. That's been a

2057
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:58,040
Speaker 2: problem for a while. Fix the youth sport parent issue

2058
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 2: and worry about the big league ABS issue later. I

2059
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 2: think it's been a home run. Look, man, it's easy

2060
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:07,879
Speaker 2: to criticize a lot of things baseball does the baseball.

2061
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 2: Baseball as a sport is about to shoot itself in

2062
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 2: a foot with a completely stupid and almost unnecessary lockout.

2063
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 2: Rob Manford's gotten a few things right. Pitchclock was one

2064
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 2: of them. Some of the other rule changes on that

2065
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:24,200
Speaker 2: list ABS system, The way it's been rolled out, using

2066
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:27,439
Speaker 2: it in spring training last year, having it be a

2067
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 2: thing in the minor leagues for a couple of seasons,

2068
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 2: the way it's been implemented this year. It's not about

2069
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 2: embarrassing umpires. It's about it's about ensuring that more calls

2070
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 2: are made correct. And I think it's also about the

2071
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:42,840
Speaker 2: umpires adjusting, like let them adjust too. Hey man, now

2072
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:45,719
Speaker 2: you have to call the strike zone as it was intended.

2073
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 2: You're no longer allowed to come up with your own

2074
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 2: strike zone. You're no longer allowed to be an umpire

2075
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:52,280
Speaker 2: that has a wide strike zone. No, you have to

2076
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:56,160
Speaker 2: enforce the strike zone. Shouldn't be that hard. ABS has

2077
01:40:56,240 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 2: made it easy, easier for the umps to simply enforce

2078
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:03,680
Speaker 2: the already existing strike zone. It's been an absolute hit.

2079
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:08,120
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Speaker 2: And on the East team representing Xavier University is Trey Carroll,

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Speaker 2: who obviously had just an awesome one season at Xavier,

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Speaker 2: on a terrific college basketball career, a great year at Xavier.

2144
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:47,920
Speaker 2: Let's go back to that night early December against the Bearcats.

2145
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 2: Years from now, when your name is brought up in

2146
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:52,960
Speaker 2: Xavier circles, people will talk about the night you scored

2147
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:56,800
Speaker 2: thirty on the Bearcats. Years from now, when that night

2148
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 2: is brought up to you, what sort of things are

2149
01:44:58,479 --> 01:44:59,160
Speaker 2: gonna come to mind?

2150
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:04,240
Speaker 9: Well, just for one, you know, getting a win for

2151
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:06,800
Speaker 9: all the Xavier community, you know, getting bragging rights from

2152
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 9: them for the year, keeping the streak alive for never

2153
01:45:10,439 --> 01:45:13,599
Speaker 9: for not losing at Sentas against Cincinnati since two thousand

2154
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:16,920
Speaker 9: and one. I believe, I know, I've only been there

2155
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 9: for I was only there for a year, But wearing

2156
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 9: that pride Xavier jersey, it meant a lot to me.

2157
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 9: You know, I took pride in wearing that jersey. And

2158
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 9: the first video I watched for Xavier was that hate

2159
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:32,559
Speaker 9: watch for against Cincinnati, So I was immediate like, yeah,

2160
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 9: I hate I hate the barricads. And then secondly, going

2161
01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 9: against you know, my former team at Bob Miller. You know,

2162
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:40,519
Speaker 9: I kind of like talked down a little bit as

2163
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 9: like it's not me versus him, but it wasn't. It

2164
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:47,479
Speaker 9: was Xavier versus Cincinnati, obviously. But I had a lot

2165
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:50,720
Speaker 9: of chipping my shoulder. I had, you know, I had,

2166
01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:52,320
Speaker 9: I had something to prove. I had to prove that

2167
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:54,559
Speaker 9: I was better than him, because you know, I felt

2168
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:59,200
Speaker 9: like I was I wasn't, you know, as important as

2169
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:02,640
Speaker 9: him on the last team, and I felt, you know,

2170
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:04,920
Speaker 9: I felt like I was better than him as a player,

2171
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:08,240
Speaker 9: and you know, I had to prove that that night

2172
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:10,839
Speaker 9: and get a win and get braggy rights for Cincinnati,

2173
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:14,200
Speaker 9: and we ultimately did that. And the third, you know,

2174
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 9: Cincinnati is probably one of the greatest places to play

2175
01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:21,080
Speaker 9: college basketball. You know, they don't have an NBA team,

2176
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:24,800
Speaker 9: and they really rely on Cincinnati and Xavier as much

2177
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 9: as both fan bases don't.

2178
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:27,200
Speaker 3: You don't want to say it.

2179
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:29,559
Speaker 9: We rely on each other, you know, to be good,

2180
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:33,680
Speaker 9: to put fans in seats, So to be good is

2181
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:36,880
Speaker 9: top priority in since for the Cincinnati Bearcats and the

2182
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:40,560
Speaker 9: Xavier Musketeers. And you know, just having that shootout and

2183
01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:43,000
Speaker 9: getting a win, you know, seventy nine to seventy five,

2184
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 9: I believe it was a final score.

2185
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:45,680
Speaker 3: It meant everything to me and I meant everything to

2186
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:48,639
Speaker 3: the Xavier community. Let's go back to a year ago.

2187
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 2: So you hit the portal and Richard Patino gets the

2188
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 2: job at Xavier and he is basically putting together a

2189
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:58,759
Speaker 2: brand new team. What do you remember about the process

2190
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:01,839
Speaker 2: that ultimately led you becoming a Xavier Musketeer.

2191
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, so I hit the portal probably I think nine

2192
01:47:05,320 --> 01:47:08,400
Speaker 9: thirty am on a Monday morning, and then the first

2193
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:11,639
Speaker 9: school to call me at ten AM was Xavier. Coach

2194
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 9: Aaron consumer who's at the Who's at Minnesota now.

2195
01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:18,760
Speaker 3: He heavily recruited me. He was the one that was

2196
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:19,599
Speaker 3: always on my phone.

2197
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,040
Speaker 9: And then coach p was always on my phone too,

2198
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:25,000
Speaker 9: So I had Coach Patino and then I had Coach Aaron,

2199
01:47:25,080 --> 01:47:27,720
Speaker 9: you know, just calling me daily, like I believe they

2200
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:31,160
Speaker 9: called me like five to seven times that day, and

2201
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 9: we did a zoom call that day too, and then

2202
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:35,720
Speaker 9: you know, all the way up until I took a visit,

2203
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:37,280
Speaker 9: they were calling me non stop.

2204
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 3: Like probably they lowered it a little because.

2205
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:41,600
Speaker 9: Obviously, like I had a plan to see them, so

2206
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 9: but it was like still three to four times day

2207
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:45,439
Speaker 9: checking in and see if I'm good, you know, just

2208
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 9: talk about my day, you know, if I'm enjoying myself,

2209
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 9: like you know, how do you see yourself inting in

2210
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 9: our program? So it was everything because they they showed

2211
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:57,040
Speaker 9: like they wanted me, they really cared about me, they

2212
01:47:57,120 --> 01:47:58,000
Speaker 9: really believed.

2213
01:47:57,720 --> 01:47:59,439
Speaker 3: In me, and that's where I wanted to go.

2214
01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:01,120
Speaker 9: I wanted to go summer where I could thrive in

2215
01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:03,160
Speaker 9: the offense, where I could show the NBA scouts where

2216
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:06,800
Speaker 9: I'm capable of and like, hey, I'm I'm a pretty

2217
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:09,920
Speaker 9: good player, and I could play in the best leagues possible.

2218
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:12,160
Speaker 9: I just need a chance, and I took advantage of

2219
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:15,000
Speaker 9: the opportunity that coach Patino gave me. And Forli was

2220
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:16,920
Speaker 9: for you know, him and coach Aaron, I wouldn't be.

2221
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:17,479
Speaker 3: In this position.

2222
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:20,960
Speaker 2: What's it like when you're on a team and everybody's

2223
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:23,840
Speaker 2: brand new, not just you with all these other guys,

2224
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 2: but everybody with each other.

2225
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a challenge. I dealt with it for two

2226
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:27,559
Speaker 3: years in a row.

2227
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:31,080
Speaker 9: It's definitely a challenge because you're learning your teammates tendancies,

2228
01:48:31,120 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 9: what they like to do, high like to score the ball,

2229
01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:36,559
Speaker 9: where they like to score the ball, And there's only.

2230
01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:37,559
Speaker 3: So much you can practice.

2231
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:41,240
Speaker 9: I don't think you can obviously get a lot done

2232
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:44,120
Speaker 9: in practice, but you really don't know people's true.

2233
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:48,040
Speaker 3: True tendencies when it until it's game time.

2234
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:51,720
Speaker 9: And just seeing how we were playing together, you know,

2235
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 9: it took us like probably ten games to get it down.

2236
01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:58,200
Speaker 9: And obviously we didn't win a lot this year, but

2237
01:48:58,439 --> 01:49:01,040
Speaker 9: you know, we were all very comfortable with each other.

2238
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:03,880
Speaker 9: We were finally learning learning about one another because we

2239
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,560
Speaker 9: were off the court, we were great no problems, no

2240
01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:08,800
Speaker 9: locker room problems. Like we all felt like brothers. We

2241
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:11,200
Speaker 9: still feel brothers. You know, even know some people hit

2242
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:14,559
Speaker 9: the portal where the seniors are leaving, we all still

2243
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:17,320
Speaker 9: keeping keeping chat like in our in our group chat,

2244
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:19,920
Speaker 9: we're all still talking to each other. And it just

2245
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 9: took time to jail and we were able to gel.

2246
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,240
Speaker 9: But you know, there is some things we were lacking

2247
01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:26,160
Speaker 9: in this year that you know, we just kind of

2248
01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:29,160
Speaker 9: capitalize on them. But we all came so close. It

2249
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 9: was hard to get there. But you know, all no,

2250
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,679
Speaker 9: we came together and we were like, hey, we're gonna

2251
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 9: win together and we're gonna lose together. It's all that mattered.

2252
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was just watching the season unfold.

2253
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:41,840
Speaker 2: There were times where I thought this could kind of

2254
01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:45,120
Speaker 2: go sideways. And I've seen it with teams, especially in

2255
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 2: this day and age, where guys don't have that three

2256
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:49,720
Speaker 2: four year relationship with each other. And I think it's

2257
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 2: a credit to Richard, and I think it's a credit

2258
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,080
Speaker 2: to you guys that you wish you would have won

2259
01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:56,479
Speaker 2: more games, but it never really felt like you guys

2260
01:49:56,920 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 2: fell apart.

2261
01:49:57,520 --> 01:49:59,960
Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Yeah? I don't. I don't.

2262
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,000
Speaker 9: I think we all we fell apart at all. I

2263
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:03,559
Speaker 9: just think, you know, we lost a lot of key games.

2264
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:06,519
Speaker 9: I think I think what killed our momentum was the

2265
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 9: Creton overtime game. You know, I think losing at the buzzer.

2266
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 9: I think that really killed us because we had that

2267
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 9: game in the bag. We just couldn't get a stop

2268
01:50:15,400 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 9: and a rebound, and that was you know, the forretail

2269
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:21,280
Speaker 9: this this season. It couldn't get a stoped could get

2270
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:25,679
Speaker 9: a rebound, And I think that killed us this season

2271
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:27,760
Speaker 9: because I think, you know, I think we're gonna win

2272
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:30,479
Speaker 9: twenty plus games. If we won that game going to Bad,

2273
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:32,080
Speaker 9: I think we would have been back to five hundred.

2274
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:35,280
Speaker 9: You know, I think we would have momentum, more momentum

2275
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:37,880
Speaker 9: going into I think it was Seaton Hall and going

2276
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:40,320
Speaker 9: into Saint John's. You know, I think we could have

2277
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:44,200
Speaker 9: beat Seaton Hall. We should have up eleven and a

2278
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:47,280
Speaker 9: half time. Then they just absolutely killed us, rightfully. So

2279
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:49,960
Speaker 9: we came out scared. It came out you know, lackluster,

2280
01:50:50,160 --> 01:50:52,920
Speaker 9: you know, lazy. Saint John's had the game in the

2281
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:56,400
Speaker 9: bag again but couldn't get rebounds, and it was just

2282
01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 9: kind of like the same story over and over.

2283
01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:01,120
Speaker 3: Again, it's like it gets to a point, you know

2284
01:51:01,160 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 3: what I mean.

2285
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,960
Speaker 9: But we were never like a team that was, you know,

2286
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:07,879
Speaker 9: scared to for the moment, scared to like take a charge,

2287
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:10,639
Speaker 9: you know, scared that we were going to fall apart

2288
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:12,160
Speaker 9: because we were in it together, and you know, we

2289
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:15,120
Speaker 9: just happened to lose together more than we went one together.

2290
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:18,000
Speaker 9: But it was still a great season and a fun season.

2291
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 9: It just felt like a long season, but it was

2292
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:22,000
Speaker 9: still great and fine in my opinion, the.

2293
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:25,080
Speaker 2: Night you got hurt, and I'm fearing the worst because

2294
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:29,559
Speaker 2: regardless of what's happened to that point, you don't want

2295
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:32,439
Speaker 2: your season and career to end on a night that

2296
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:35,040
Speaker 2: you got injured, especially when you're leading the league and scoring.

2297
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 2: How meaningful was it to come back and play it?

2298
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:39,479
Speaker 2: Just play at Madison Square Guard.

2299
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 9: It meant everything to me because I was nowhere near

2300
01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:45,680
Speaker 9: one hundred percent yet I was I was playing on

2301
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:49,479
Speaker 9: one leg. Truly, I truly do mean that, Like I

2302
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 9: could just feel in my movements, like just you know,

2303
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:56,080
Speaker 9: running I felt awkward as heck, and I could tell

2304
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:58,320
Speaker 9: like I couldn't jumped my highest I couldn't you know,

2305
01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:00,800
Speaker 9: do everything that I was able to do, and that

2306
01:52:01,160 --> 01:52:04,640
Speaker 9: seat haul injury was very scary because I didn't I

2307
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:08,040
Speaker 9: never felt like something back before in my hip, and

2308
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:11,640
Speaker 9: I genuinely thought I was low key done, you know,

2309
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:13,800
Speaker 9: until it started feeling you know, a little better day

2310
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:15,360
Speaker 9: about two days later, and I could, you know, I

2311
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:18,479
Speaker 9: was walking without crutches, and I was like, if I

2312
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:21,320
Speaker 9: don't practice Tuesday, I'm probably not playing Wednesday. And I

2313
01:52:21,439 --> 01:52:23,280
Speaker 9: was able to practice Tuesday, but I could feel like

2314
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:25,640
Speaker 9: all the rust coming off, like I'm still not I

2315
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:28,840
Speaker 9: was probably seventy percent maybe going into the game. But

2316
01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:31,880
Speaker 9: I was able to play and I was able to

2317
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:35,120
Speaker 9: put the Zaber jersey on again. And that's that's been everything,

2318
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:37,479
Speaker 9: because I didn't want to go out like on a hurt,

2319
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:39,479
Speaker 9: notice like done for the year, got hurt.

2320
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:39,880
Speaker 2: No.

2321
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:42,920
Speaker 9: I wanted to play until, you know, until the last buzzer,

2322
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:45,920
Speaker 9: and unfortunately we got matched up with Yukon. Yukon has

2323
01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:48,280
Speaker 9: had a number this year, gosh, and very the moment

2324
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:50,840
Speaker 9: hits that half court shot to go on to final four,

2325
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:53,280
Speaker 9: shouts of Yukon, they've been they've been amazing this year.

2326
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:57,360
Speaker 9: But I was able to wear you know, the number

2327
01:52:57,400 --> 01:53:00,120
Speaker 9: twelve for his eight or one last time, and I

2328
01:53:00,439 --> 01:53:02,960
Speaker 9: truly mean it. You know, that school has a place

2329
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,120
Speaker 9: in my heart that will never be replaced. FAU and

2330
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:08,400
Speaker 9: Xavier I hold very dear to my heart. And it's

2331
01:53:08,479 --> 01:53:10,480
Speaker 9: a shame the way it ended, but it's a bittersweet

2332
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:12,759
Speaker 9: ending to it, in my opinion. A great college career.

2333
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:15,280
Speaker 2: No question about that. Let's talk about this weekend playing

2334
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 2: in an All Star Game. What's that experience been like?

2335
01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:21,000
Speaker 9: It's been great, you know, I've I can't believe I'm

2336
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:23,040
Speaker 9: playing in an All Star game in college. You know,

2337
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:25,840
Speaker 9: I played one in high school. I'm playing three in

2338
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:27,800
Speaker 9: high school ethaics. So being able to, you know, be

2339
01:53:27,880 --> 01:53:30,160
Speaker 9: recognized as one of the best players for an All

2340
01:53:30,200 --> 01:53:32,639
Speaker 9: Star game, you know, just be mentioned in that category,

2341
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:34,160
Speaker 9: is truly meaningful to me.

2342
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 3: You know, if you would have told me two.

2343
01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:39,200
Speaker 9: Years ago I would be playing in a Division one

2344
01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:41,960
Speaker 9: All Star game at the final four out to call.

2345
01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:43,880
Speaker 3: You crazy and you don't know what you're talking about,

2346
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:44,439
Speaker 3: But here we are.

2347
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:49,720
Speaker 9: I'm super honored, super humbled, Thank God for this opportunity,

2348
01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:54,160
Speaker 9: and I want to you know, I get to rep

2349
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:57,320
Speaker 9: Xavier and FA one last time for college basketball, and

2350
01:53:57,760 --> 01:53:59,599
Speaker 9: that's what I play on doing. Man. Unfortunately I can't

2351
01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:02,360
Speaker 9: wear my number twelve, But yeah, I get to wrap

2352
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:04,599
Speaker 9: the great universities I played for, and you know, I'm

2353
01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 9: going to play for everybody back at Xavier, everybody back

2354
01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:11,360
Speaker 9: at Voca, everybody play for my wife, for God, from

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Speaker 9: a mom, dad, grammy, grandpa. I would play for all

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Speaker 9: of them for one nice time in college.

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Speaker 2: It was a blast watching you this season. You know

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Speaker 2: a lot of fans back in Cincinnati going to be

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Speaker 2: rooting for you no matter what. Can't thank you enough

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Speaker 2: for doing this. Best of luck, Thank you, Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much. Trey Carroll, as much as it pains me

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Speaker 2: to say this because he almost single handedly beat my

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Speaker 2: Bearcats back in December. Easy guy to root for and

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Speaker 2: had a great year in Xavier and glad he's able

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Speaker 2: physically to play in the NABC All Star Game tomorrow night.

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Speaker 2: We want to thank the folks at Werner, the official

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Speaker 2: ladder of NCAA March Madness and the official ladder of

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Speaker 2: construction professionals everywhere conquer new heights with Werner available locally

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Speaker 2: at Grange. We are back here tomorrow from three to six,

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Speaker 2: broadcasting from Indianapolis. Anything you might have missed, go find

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Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app. Podcast of this show or a

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Speaker 2: service of long Next Sports Group. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 2: tomorrow at three oh five. This has been the ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Earns an Associate's final four show, presented by

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Speaker 2: Dui Matt dot com and the front lines of your

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Speaker 2: Legal Battle Live from the airport, Painting Body Quality of Yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Knowledge of Today broadcast area from here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you tomorrow at three oh five. Thanks

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Speaker 3: to Tarren Bland for producing. Have a great night. Thanks

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Speaker 3: to you for listening. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 5: Station, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic.

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Speaker 1: From the UC Health Traffic Center. When it comes to

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Speaker 1: your health, a big diagnosis can mean big decisions. Get

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Speaker 1: Health and explore are your options visit UCHealth dot com.

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Speaker 1: That accident has finally cleared on seventy five northbound after

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Speaker 1: two seventy five. Police are still in the scene. Watch

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Speaker 1: out for delays. You have just under a third minute commute,

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Speaker 1: though with a fifteen minute delay on seventy five northbound

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Speaker 1: from seventy four to two seventy five and you have

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Speaker 1: a twenty minute commute with a thirteen minute delay on

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Speaker 1: seventy one to seventy five northbound from two seventy five

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Speaker 1: to downtown Amanju Jones with traffic.

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