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Speaker 1: Roads better than Ohio, but number one. When I had

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Speaker 1: the governor on a few days ago, he related to

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Speaker 1: me that the sheriffs in each county determined whether a

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Speaker 1: level one, two or three snow emergencies should be declared

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Speaker 1: as simply within the confines of the sheriff, and our

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Speaker 1: sheriff here in ham Many Counties, of course, Charmaine McGuffey

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Speaker 1: and Sheriff McGuffey, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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Speaker 1: And first of all, you announced a couple hours ago

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Speaker 1: that a level of three has gone to a level two.

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Speaker 1: What was your analysis in deciding to move it from

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Speaker 1: a level three to a level two at ten o'clock

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Speaker 1: this morning?

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Speaker 2: Sure, and thanks Bill for having me on. You know,

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Speaker 2: we communicate when the snow started falling. We started communicating

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Speaker 2: with Nick Crosley of the EMA Emergency Management System and

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Speaker 2: also Eric Beck, who is in charge of the county Engineers,

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Speaker 2: who are the guys that drive the ploals, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: So we depend on our road patrol officers that are

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Speaker 2: what they're seeing, and as we get that call.

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Speaker 3: Going, that's where everybody kind of aiged in on what

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Speaker 3: the conditions look like.

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Speaker 2: So we went to a level two and then a

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Speaker 2: level three overnight.

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Speaker 1: As far as the level three, which has now expired

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Speaker 1: about two hours ago ten am Eastern time, that means

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Speaker 1: you can't travel unless but I would imagine I was

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Speaker 1: out last night at one o'clock in the morning. I

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Speaker 1: was on there at one o'clock this morning, by the way,

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Speaker 1: and there was nobody on the road. I drove around

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Speaker 1: just a little bit because it's my duty to get

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Speaker 1: here to inform the American people. But as far as

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Speaker 1: shutting it down, businesses don't operate, schools don't operate. All

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Speaker 1: hell breaks loose if it's a level three, which happens rarely.

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Speaker 1: Did you hesitate or do this based upon consultation because

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Speaker 1: essentially the last twenty four hours the roads have been impassable. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: as far as shutting it down, you take in mind

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Speaker 1: the schools, the businesses. Some small employers said to me,

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Speaker 1: level three they can't come to work, does not mean

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Speaker 1: I still have to pay them. All those kinds of issues.

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Speaker 1: So in your mind, what did your way backwards and

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Speaker 1: forwards of it making the decision to go to a

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Speaker 2: Right well, first and foremost, it's public safety, that's first

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Speaker 2: and foremost. And many of the public schools, if not all,

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Speaker 2: and all of the different private schools had already closed

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Speaker 3: And what we do with businesses, small businesses in.

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Speaker 2: Fact, you know, that's their human their HR departments and

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Speaker 2: how they handle their HR regarding their employees coming in.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing, you know, the other thing the

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Speaker 2: public needs to understand is, you know, these snow plows

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Speaker 2: have to get around, and if you have traffic on

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Speaker 2: the road, oftentimes it screws up their patterns, you know,

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Speaker 2: and it can create an accident.

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Speaker 3: So what we did is we did the level.

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Speaker 2: Three so that there would not be any cars on

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Speaker 2: the road and those snow plows could work. And they

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Speaker 2: worked sixteen hours straight. Bill, I want the public to

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Speaker 2: know that they work sixteen hours straight. It took five

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Speaker 2: hours off to rest and sleep up, and then they

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Speaker 1: As far as the condition of the roads, I'm told

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Speaker 1: that my little part of Kenwood is not in good shape,

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Speaker 1: but nonetheless it's passable. But I'm told that parts of

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Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati, the plows haven't gotten to anywhere

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Speaker 1: who's head of the trustees in Secamore Township. And unbeknownst

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Speaker 1: to me, there are roads in the county, some roads

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Speaker 1: want to step in each other's feet when they go plowing.

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Speaker 1: So Keller, where I live, it is a county road,

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Speaker 1: but it's not a state road. Montgomery Road is a

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Speaker 1: Is this confusing to the average person to find out

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Speaker 2: Plowed, Well, it certainly is. And most people in the

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Speaker 3: Know, everybody just does the best they can.

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Speaker 1: As far as the level two in effect right now,

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Speaker 1: you impose that beginning at ten a m. This morning,

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Speaker 1: from three to two, how long will level two be

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, level two means you can get out

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Speaker 3: Level two also.

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Speaker 2: Gives us the ability to you know, caution people to say, hey,

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Speaker 3: What you're doing out there where you're going.

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Speaker 2: Uh. It gives us, you know, just that margin to say, people, look,

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Speaker 3: You are allowed to be out on the roads.

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Speaker 1: As far as the time frame for this, can you

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Speaker 1: give us some idea. It's now about twelve fifteen on

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Speaker 1: Monday afternoon. How long will level two being effected out?

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Speaker 1: Depending upon how long will level two be in effect,

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Speaker 3: Think well, level two is going to be an effect here?

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Speaker 2: I would say at minimum the rest of this day,

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Speaker 2: you know, and we're letting you know, a little bit

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Speaker 2: of the sunshine that I see peaking out here help

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Speaker 2: two is going to be the standard for at least

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Speaker 2: the rest of the day and into the night, of course,

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Speaker 2: because we're going to have all this freezing weather, so

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Speaker 1: How does the jail do in these kind of conditions

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Speaker 1: because you still have business, you still have people. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure that's too many criminals getting arrested right now.

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Speaker 1: I anticipate there'll be very few. But nonetheless, is the

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Speaker 3: Well, the jail is always fully operational.

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Speaker 2: We never closed.

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Speaker 3: We're like you know, the.

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Speaker 2: White Castle, we never closed. We're always open for business

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Speaker 2: and even on you know, even on Christmas, we're never closed.

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Speaker 2: Let me let me reiterate that. But honestly, you know,

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Speaker 2: our jail employees there used to being on call and

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Speaker 2: that's part of their job and what they sign up

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Speaker 2: for for public safety. And we really we didn't have

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Speaker 2: like a nurse or something like that. Sometimes we will

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Speaker 1: As far as the jail itself, do you have empty

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Speaker 1: beds in the jail? There was some media reports there

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Speaker 1: were two hundred empty beds. I think I think today

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Speaker 1: do you think, Sheriff?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know we have room at that jail. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to say it that way. You know, we don't

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Speaker 2: have some two hundred empty beds.

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Speaker 3: It isn't anything like that. But we have room at

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Speaker 2: You know, if there is criminal activity and people get arrested,

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Speaker 2: we have room at that jail. Period we do. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: we'll have you know, certain cells that are open, certain

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Speaker 2: number of cells. But I want the public to know,

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Speaker 2: you know, we can take in up to eighty prisoners

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Speaker 2: so that jail is very, very busy, and each day

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Speaker 2: that count changes.

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Speaker 1: Lastly, we have a level two which means necessary to

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Speaker 1: travel only likely throughout the day. Then you'll relate later today,

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Speaker 1: maybe on midnight or so. What's going to happen tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: and I would think if it's a level two tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: that means the schools need to be shut down. Is

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Speaker 1: that correct?

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Speaker 3: Yes, that would be correct.

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Speaker 2: And again, the schools make that decision. I, as the sheriff,

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Speaker 2: do not tell the schools how to operate.

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Speaker 3: When to operate.

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Speaker 2: They'll make that decision because they are on that front

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Speaker 2: So they'll make that decision. And I'll make decisions for

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Speaker 1: All right, Sheriff Charmaine McGuffey, good luck. I know you

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Speaker 1: offer to come in personally, but I thought I don't

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Speaker 1: want to be I don't want something bad to happen

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Speaker 1: to the sheriff coming to Kenwood so from downtown. So

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. But level two until further notice,

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Speaker 1: Sheriff McGuffey, once again, thanks for coming on the Bill

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Speaker 1: Cunningham Show. Thank you, Sheriff always Phil, Thank you God

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Speaker 1: bless America. Let's continue with more. And there you got

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Speaker 1: up from the sheriff herself. She had to make the

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Speaker 1: level two and then level three. Was yesterday. Now it's

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Speaker 1: back to a level two, which means necessary travel only,

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Speaker 1: And she seems to indicate her implicitly say at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, maybe toward midnight, you'll make another

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Speaker 1: decision whether it go back to level one. So let's

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Speaker 1: continue with more short break than right back at it.

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