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Speaker 1: the deep freeze into just the regular freeze right now,

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Speaker 1: starting off today, the city has reversed it's a controversial

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Speaker 1: eleven PM cut off for food trucks. I know, not

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Speaker 1: thousand degrees below zero. But nonetheless things have been right

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Speaker 1: I guess wrongs have been righted here. Initially you may

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Speaker 1: recalls a public safety issue because of crime. It was

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Speaker 1: a city manager office just issued an edict and declared

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Speaker 1: that's it. You got to shut everything down at eleven

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Speaker 1: mero on the bar's rubble at two o'clock and if

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Speaker 1: you want something to eat when you're leaving at closing time,

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Speaker 1: your sol The complaint was that too many people were

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Speaker 1: gathering and causing problems and having street beefs. And again

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Speaker 1: that sounds like an enforcement issue. Why punish the vendor.

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Speaker 1: But at least a little bit of common senses have

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Speaker 1: been restored, and she's been leading the charge on this.

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Speaker 1: Council Member Anna Alby, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: How you been good. Thanks so much for having me

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Speaker 2: this story.

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Speaker 1: It feels like a win, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: It does? It does. No, I'm glad that, you know,

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Speaker 2: working with the administration, we were able to hit this

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Speaker 2: kind of compromise to move the the end time go

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Speaker 2: back to one am on Fridays and Saturdays and Sundays. Yeah. Great.

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Speaker 1: It seems so punitive too that and it was sure

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Speaker 1: a long city manager just simply said this is the

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Speaker 1: way it's going to be, you know, kind of like

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Speaker 1: an executive order almost, And that's the part that struck

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Speaker 1: me is awful is the fact that there was no input.

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Speaker 1: There was no input from the food truck vendors, There

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Speaker 1: forward as like an emergency order. That was the troubling

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Speaker 1: part about this because none of it made sense, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. And right now we're in a

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Speaker 2: phase where the administrations having active conversations with the Food

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Speaker 2: Mark Jeffries, Vice Mary Michelle when McCarney and I were

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Speaker 2: all like, hey, have you talked to the food truck

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Speaker 2: And initially when this edict as you call it, came

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Speaker 2: down at the eleven pm cutoff. They hadn't they hadn't

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Speaker 2: They even have these conversations, so they are chatting now,

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Speaker 2: and my understanding is there could be more changes coming.

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Speaker 2: But to me, it's this open dialogue and looking at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it makes sense. Did you look at any

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Speaker 1: did you have any data or analysis that convinced you

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely. So that was another thing that I really

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Speaker 2: hounded administration on the very first time they showed up

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Speaker 2: oral presentation. I said, hey, where's the data. So they

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest, the numbers were not compelling. They kind

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Speaker 2: there were some issues of people gathering. Great, let's look

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Speaker 2: at the enforcement and what's actually causing that.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Something I've been interested in is is there something happening

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Speaker 1: Right? And bars can hopital two o'clock, but the food

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Speaker 2: I agree, And the one am the concept there is,

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Speaker 1: Right you mentioned you know, maybe there's further discussions here

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Speaker 2: I think everything's on the table right now. One of

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Speaker 2: our food trucks are often the first step into getting

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Speaker 1: The end of the day and all, but we're still

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Speaker 1: She can't stay open now. Part of this, of course,

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Speaker 1: that is crime that is helping destroy business. In the

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Speaker 2: You know, this is Liza the Chief Sakries is a

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Speaker 1: I think part of the problem too, talking too CPD

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Speaker 2: Well, let me just talk about so we have a

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Speaker 2: He's a known person in our neighborhood and frankly, many

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Speaker 2: He has frequent in other places like mad MoMA and

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean you're cruel because you're segregating someone

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Speaker 1: Well, ultimately, once you right size the police staff right

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Speaker 1: so much for joining the show this morning. Great to

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Speaker 1: talk to you. And happy holidays.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much, Happy holidays, Take care.

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Speaker 1: All the best. I got to get a news update

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Speaker 1: Just made me think of something, how this is related

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