1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: It's nice eyes with Dan Ray. I'm telling you easy 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: All right, Thanksgiving? Now about what six days away? I 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: can taste that turkey and stuffing. 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 3: Now. 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: My name is Dan Ray. I'm the host of night Side. 7 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 2: Rob Brooks, our partner is back in the control room 8 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: at the big radio station in Medford, Massachusetts. He's there 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: and he will get everything going perfectly tonight, no doubt 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: about it. The best producer in radio as far as 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: I'm concerned, been with me now for oh goodness, it's 12 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 2: gotta be close to fifteen years. He does a great job. 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: My name is Dan Ray, and I am the host, 14 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: and you, of course are the listeners, and you have 15 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: a big role to play. After nine o'clock you can 16 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: join us and ask questions of our guests. We're going 17 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 2: to be talking about sewage going into the Charles River. 18 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: I was surprised to find out that sewage bross sewage's 19 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: still going into the Charles River. And we're gonna be 20 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: talking with Emily Norton. She's the executive director of the 21 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: Child River Watershed of Watershed Association. As a matter of fact, 22 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: the MWRA apparently wants more sewage going into the Charles River. 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: I thought, I didn't. I don't understand it. We'll figure 24 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: it out. I watched the LoveFest between President Trump and 25 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 2: the mayor elect of New York City, jo Ron Mamdani today. 26 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 2: It was like a weird experience. We're going to talk 27 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: about that at ten o'clock and then at eleven o'clock tonight, 28 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 2: at the twentieth hour of the week, we will do 29 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 2: a brushes with celebrity, and I think we're going to 30 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: have some prizes during that hour night side tote bags 31 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: for you. If you are one of the we'll say 32 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 2: one of the two or three best, or three or four, 33 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: a five best. I'm gonna give away some tote bags 34 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: which you can which you can use proudly as you 35 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: go shopping this holiday season. We will begin with I 36 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: think what will be a fascinating book. I saw this one. 37 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: I haven't read it, but the title is Captain's Dinner, 38 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: A shipwreck, an act of cannibalism, and a murder trial 39 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: that changed legal history. With us is the acclaimed journalist 40 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: Pull of Surprise winning author and New York Times best 41 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: selling author, A Pull of Surprise Juror. I believe I'm 42 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: sorry I've misread that Adam Cohen, Adam, welcome to Nightside. 43 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: How are you. 44 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 4: Oh great, it's my pleasure to be here. 45 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you it's a pleasure to have you. 46 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: I've never heard of this story. And besides being a journalist, 47 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 2: I also happen to be a lawyer, member of the bar, 48 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: and this is fascinating. Just tell us the story briefly. 49 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: This was a tragedy which was compounded by an act 50 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: of cannibalism and a murder trial. It's the pieces of 51 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: this book are incredible. 52 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 4: Go ahead, actually just start by saying that this is 53 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 4: a book that was really started in Boston because I 54 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 4: went to law school there, and first year of law school, 55 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 4: my roommate and I gave a Halloween party. Come as 56 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 4: your favorite legal case or legal doctrine. And my roommate, 57 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 4: who's now a federal judge, went out and got chicken 58 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 4: parts and ketchup, sprinkled the ketchup by the chicken parts, 59 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 4: and came as this cannibal captain. That was the first 60 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 4: time I heard about this case. I went a spoiling 61 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,119 Speaker 4: cambridge that you might have heard of. 62 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: One is that? The one? Is that? The one that 63 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: competes with my law school, Boston University for the top 64 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: law school in America. 65 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 4: I think it does. Yeah, yeah, So we gave a 66 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 4: little Halloween party and there was the Capital Captain. So 67 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 4: it's just as you say, it's a crazy story of 68 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 4: four men who were hired to deliver a yacht from 69 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 4: London to Australia. And it was smooth sailing until they 70 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 4: passed the equator. Then they hit a big storm, huge wave, shipwreck. 71 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 4: They escaped in a lifeboat without food and water, and 72 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 4: they're drifting for a few weeks and eventually the captain 73 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 4: decides to kill the cabin boy. And there was something 74 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 4: called the custom of the sea. It was there were 75 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 4: traditions of cannibalism at sea when you had a shipwreck. 76 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 4: But they did not draw straws as they usually do. 77 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 4: This time. The captain just said, hey, cabin boy sick, 78 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 4: he doesn't have any wife for children, let's eat him. 79 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 4: They did. 80 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: They were probably probably what he said what he might 81 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: have said, Adam, he said, let's let's have him for dinner. 82 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 4: Exactly like itself, like an exactly captain's dinner on croups 83 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 4: is quite fancy. This was a little more low brow. 84 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So let me ask you, how did they 85 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: kill the cabin boy or did they claim that the 86 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: cabin boy died of natural causes lack of oxygen? 87 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 4: So this gets a little grim. But what they did 88 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 4: is actually the captains split his He took out a 89 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 4: pen knife slit his throat. And the reason he did 90 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 4: that is they were actually more in danger of dying 91 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 4: of thirst out of hunger. You die of thirst a 92 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: lot more quickly than you die of hunger, so they 93 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 4: really need to get the blood, so they split it throat. 94 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 4: It's grim. It's grim. And then they captured the blood 95 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 4: and drank that, and then they moved on to a 96 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,679 Speaker 4: couple of the internal organs while they were still warm, 97 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 4: and then they ate most of the cabin boy before 98 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 4: they were rescued. 99 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: So how much longer would it they had to have 100 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: held on if they had not killed How soon were 101 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: they rescued after dinner? 102 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 4: You know, pretty close? Two days after dinner it rained 103 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 4: quite a bit, so it could have gotten water. Four 104 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 4: days after dinner, a German ship that was passing by 105 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 4: rescue them. So we'll never know for sure, but I 106 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 4: think they could have made it, all four of them, survived. 107 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 2: Okay, So they get back to England, I assume and 108 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: at someone they didn't do like a secret, we got 109 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: to keep this secret that somebody must have spilled the beans. 110 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 4: Well, you know they again talking about right away they 111 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 4: told the crew of the German ship that rescued them 112 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 4: because they were kind of proud of it. They thought 113 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 4: it was a great tale of the sea. And as 114 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 4: I say, okay, common, it was common, you know, and 115 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 4: they might have. 116 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: Thought they were an international waters too. Who knows, I mean, 117 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: I don't know who who? Where was it? Where was 118 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 2: I assume the case was tried in England? 119 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's correct. So they were. They were brought back 120 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 4: to Falmouth, England, and they uh and and that's where 121 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 4: all began, and that's where they were first first put 122 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 4: on a kind of hearing, and they said we're gonna 123 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 4: go ahead and charge with murders. 124 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: So okay. So so the the captain who who you know, 125 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 2: basically in effect set the table for dinner. Uh, he 126 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 2: took the fall. He gets convicted. Uh are the others 127 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: who were who were still alive, are they convicted as well? 128 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 2: Or are they even charged? 129 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 4: Great? Great, great question. Right, So the one of the 130 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 4: others was, so Captain Dudley was and his first meet 131 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 4: Stevens was as well. So the case is called Dudley 132 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 4: and Stevens. There's a third guy, Brooks. Brooks said from 133 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 4: the beginning he did not want to kill anyone and 134 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 4: he did not want to be killed. And when they 135 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 4: were killing the cabin boy, Stevens was actually standing there 136 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 4: ready to hold his legs down part of the conspiracy, 137 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 4: but he didn't need to do it, as he turned out. 138 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 4: But Brooks was covering his head with a raincoat because 139 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 4: he did not want to be involved. So when they 140 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 4: get back, they don't actually charge Brooks, they can the 141 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 4: lead prosecution witness, as it turns out. 142 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he also could have planned to use a vegan 143 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: and I think that would have got him off. So 144 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: what were the sentences rendered by the court. This, I 145 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: assume was without without jury or no. 146 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 4: Well, so it's really funny and tricky that there was 147 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 4: a jury, but the judge was so afraid that the 148 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 4: jury might acquit, you know, to a jury nullification thing 149 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 4: because a lot of the working class people were sympathetic 150 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 4: to the canals, that he actually didn't let the jury decide. 151 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 4: He just let them find the facts and it went 152 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 4: to a special panel of judges. The judges convicted convicted 153 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 4: them of murder, and at that time in England there 154 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 4: was only one punishment for murder, which was death. So 155 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 4: then it all came down to appeal from Mercy to 156 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 4: Queen Victoria. That was the way it worked. Then you 157 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 4: get definalties that you would hope that the Queen would 158 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 4: compete your sentence, and in this case she did. 159 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: Well. It's interesting because I would have I would have bet, 160 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: knowing a little bit about the Victorian age, that she 161 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: was not like a party person from what I understand, 162 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: and I suspected that she would have gone by the book. 163 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: So good for them. So he lived a happy life 164 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: or did he have to spend twenty years or something 165 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: in the in the slamm or in the. 166 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 4: Brig He got six months in prison, but he did 167 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 4: not live a happy life. Another crazy aspect of this 168 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 4: story is he moves to Australia, which is what he 169 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 4: kind of always wanted to do to stry his life over, 170 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 4: and then there's a rabonic plague outbreak around nineteen early 171 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 4: nineteen hundreds and he's literally the first person to die 172 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 4: of it. In Australia. Crazy. 173 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: Wow, what a great what a great story, and what 174 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: a what a great book. Now you went to Harvard 175 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 2: across the river, obviously you couldn't get into be law school. 176 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: I'm sad to say, but what are you doing to 177 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: your practicing? You're in Boston. Where where do you? 178 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 4: I mean New York? I mean you're I did practice 179 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 4: law for while, but then I became a journalist. I 180 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 4: was like a Time magazine in New York Times for 181 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 4: a while, and now now I'm writing books my thing. 182 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: That's not bad. I'm still a journalist and I'm still 183 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: a lawyer, still an active member of the bar here 184 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: in Massachuseto. 185 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 4: For you, Yeah, that's good. 186 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 187 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 4: Absolutely, don't quit the day job. Don't quit the day No, no, no, 188 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 4: no no no. 189 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: I've only you put There was a point in time 190 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 2: when my wife said to me, you got to pick 191 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: one or the other. And I was an on air 192 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 2: reporter for the CBS station here in Boston. When did 193 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: you get out of law school? You probably? I was 194 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: with WBZ. I'm still with WBZ. We were right across 195 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: the river from you. Guys. What you get out of 196 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: law school? 197 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 4: I got out many years ago. This is actually my 198 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 4: sixth book. So if that kind of dates me, it's 199 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 4: been I'm. 200 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 2: Not going to tell you, but I got out of 201 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: law school in the seventies, So there's. 202 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 4: No way, there's no way. 203 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: You have nothing to be ashamed of. 204 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 4: You you're a nubius contract. 205 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: What a great story, and you tell it. Well, I 206 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: know it's pretty morbid, but I prefer to have a 207 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: little bit of fun with it, because hey, they can't 208 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 2: They can't get you or me as an accessory on 209 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 2: this case. So I think we're clear, you know what 210 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: I'm saying exactly. 211 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 4: And look, neither really made any like jokes, real accountable 212 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: food jokes or anything like that. So I think we 213 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 4: kept it kind of elevated. 214 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 2: Well, I meant I did talk saying that the potential 215 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: defense would have been. 216 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 4: I get them thinking that my friends who introduced me 217 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 4: at an event the other night said that the book 218 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 4: was brain food. I thought that went too far. 219 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, uh so the books out, I'm assuming Amazon. Do 220 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 2: you have a website on. 221 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 4: Local bookstores, you know, all around Boston? 222 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 2: Well, I sometimes asked. Some authors now have their own websites, 223 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: and some of them, in order to degenerate a few 224 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: more sales, particularly around the holiday season. Will say, hey, 225 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 2: if you go to my website and you tell me 226 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: who you want to be inscribed to, I will inscribe 227 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: it and you'll get it that way. But just a 228 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: thought going forwards with your seventh book. What what are 229 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 2: you working on now? Anything you can tell us about. 230 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 4: I'm really just talking about agent about that. He's wondering too. 231 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 4: We're trying to come up with an idea, go for it. 232 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 4: We're also trying to sell the movie rights on this one. 233 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: So if you know anyone, well, I know a lot 234 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: of people in the movie business. 235 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, I bet you do. 236 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. 237 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: Well, they're saying that it's tough time for movies. But 238 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: I'll tell you with with with Netflix and Peacock and 239 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 2: all of these different extra channels which in effect of 240 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 2: movie channels, this should be a great story. Uh you know, 241 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 2: do you have a script? Have you done? Have you 242 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 2: done a script? 243 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: Or no? 244 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 4: No? No? I think you know my agents. There's a 245 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 4: Hollywood office and I think they try to put together 246 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 4: the package. They try to find a screenwriter and a 247 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 4: star and all. 248 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: But you're right, you could do your own script as well. 249 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 2: I got a We'll have you back, keep us, keep 250 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: us posting. Seriously, you sound like ge an interesting guy. 251 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: I really mean that. 252 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 4: I enjoyed this so much. Thank you so much. 253 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: I have as well. Anytime you're in Boston, give me 254 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 2: a ring and we'll go have a breakfast to lunch. 255 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,119 Speaker 2: I'd love to. 256 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 4: Okay, that sounds great. 257 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 2: Okay, talk to you soon. Bring get back on to 258 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 2: talk with Lance Morgan, a financial expert, founder and CEO 259 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: of College Funding Secrets. He's a certified financial planner, also 260 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: a best selling author. We're going to talk with him 261 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: about the fifty year mortgage. It's a controversial proposal, but 262 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: it may help some people that some pluses and minuses 263 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: will go over it, I assure you. Right after the 264 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: break on this the break here on this Friday night, 265 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: my name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside. That sounds 266 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: like a great book. Captain's Dinner, a shipwreck, an active cannibalism, 267 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: and a murder trial that changed legal history. Great title 268 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: to coming back on Nightside. 269 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Boston's news Radio. 270 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: Where with the make an issue these days affordability. When 271 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: you're talking about affordability of purchasing your own home, people 272 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: are now floating the idea of a fifty year mortgage 273 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: with us is Lance Morgan. He's a financial expert, certified 274 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: financial educator, and best selling author. Lance Morgan, Welcome to night, said, 275 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: how are you this evening. 276 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: I'm excellent. How are you doing? Thanks for having me on. 277 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: You're very welcome. I am ready to argue this either way. 278 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: I can either argue that a fifty year mortgage is 279 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: a good idea or it's a crazy idea. And I'll 280 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 2: bet you you can make both arguments as well, and 281 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 2: you'll make them better than me. So go right ahead. 282 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 3: Well, I'm personally a big fan actually, so I think 283 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 3: it's a great idea. 284 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: And here's the thing. 285 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 3: The reality of it is is that it's not like 286 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 3: they're getting rid of all the other options. And so 287 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: if somebody doesn't. 288 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 4: Like their fifty year mortgage, they always take it. 289 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: Ten O, why didn't you hit Why don't you hit 290 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: the positives? And I'll hit the negatives? 291 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 3: Go ahead, all right, for sure, So here's the positives. 292 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 3: The one aha moment that I had a long time 293 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 3: ago was the idea of opportunity cost. So opportunity cost 294 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 3: is simply being able to, you know, spend more money 295 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 3: towards something that's going to earn a greater interest than 296 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 3: what you're going to be charged. Right, So, let's say 297 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 3: that a fifty year mortgage theoretically is going to be 298 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: a lower interest rate, and therefore you know your monthly 299 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 3: payment would be lower, which would allow you to save more. So, 300 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 3: if your interest rate, let's say is five percent six percent, 301 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 3: and you could get let's say ten percent on a 302 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 3: real estate investment, or in the stock market, or whatever 303 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 3: the case may be, wherever you can get the best 304 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 3: rate of return. If you feel like you can get 305 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: a better rate of return than what it's costing you 306 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 3: on the mortgage, then it makes sense to pay that 307 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 3: low monthly payment. The other argument, I guess would is 308 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 3: about the idea of, you know, having your house paid 309 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: off so that you can actually retire. But I guess 310 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 3: my argument would be is just putting more money towards 311 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 3: your retirement or your future so that you have greater 312 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 3: cash flow, and that greater cash flow could help pay 313 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: for a mortgage payment. 314 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: No, I get those arguments. The first condo that I 315 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: bought a long time ago, I asked the bank if 316 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 2: I could have a fifteen year mortgage. The idea that 317 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: I was going to pay down more of the equity 318 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: you know, earlier, and I was. I was. I flipped 319 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: that condo probably in eight years, and it was a 320 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 2: heck of a great It was a great investment. The 321 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: advantage of it to me is what you articulated, and 322 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: that is that if you're somebody in your let's say 323 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: late twenties, and you're you're tired of just paying rent, 324 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: which has no financial benefit fit to you at all. 325 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 2: If you if you were to take a fifty year mortgage, uh, 326 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: you're not going to pay down a lot of equity 327 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: in the early years, but hoping and expecting that the 328 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: the home will will will will basically increase in value 329 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: over a relatively short period ten years or so, you 330 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: can probably sell that, make a make a pretty good 331 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: profit and then invest that into a home that you 332 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: that you really want. Once your life kind of takes 333 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: a direction or settles down, maybe you you'll end up 334 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: moving to a part of the country where real estate 335 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: is a little less less expensive. Maybe you'll have a 336 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: have a wife or a husband or a partner or whatever, 337 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 2: and with the two incomes, it just I just always 338 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: encourage people to get out of the rental market as 339 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: soon as they can. Am I crazy? 340 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 3: No, I think you're undupsent, right. 341 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 4: You know. 342 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: My first experience with the first house I ever bought 343 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 3: was you know, the traditional American way of paying down 344 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: the mortgage as fast as I could, putting as much 345 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 3: extra towards paying it off as fast as I could. 346 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 3: I had a ton of equity in my house. And 347 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 3: then two thousand and eight came along and my equity disappeared. 348 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 3: And that was about the time I just bad timing, 349 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 3: and that was when I needed, you know, to start 350 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 3: my well, that's when I started my business and needed money. 351 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 3: And of course I couldn't get to the equity in 352 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 3: my house because the bank wouldn't give it to me 353 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 3: because because first of all, it had disappeared, And so 354 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 3: we ended up losing our house. And so this idea 355 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 3: of you know, trying to get your house paid off, 356 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 3: I was chasing that dream, you know, and then ended 357 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 3: up losing the house in the process. Whereas let's say 358 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 3: that I would have gone with a fifty year mortgage 359 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 3: and took all those extra payments and stuck them in 360 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 3: and stuck them in an account that I had control over, 361 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: not the bank, but I had control over right now, 362 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 3: the beauty of a fifty year mortgages, You could pay 363 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 3: it off in thirty years if you took the extra 364 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 3: money and put it into an account that got a 365 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 3: greater rate of return than your mortgage payment and had. 366 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: Control over it. 367 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 3: So I'm a big fan of controlling your equity, having 368 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 3: your your equity and an account that you own and control, 369 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 3: not the bank. 370 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 4: And so yeah, no, you make you make. 371 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: All the sense in the world. And these these horrific events, 372 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: whether it's the crash of eighty seven or this bubble burst, 373 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: or obviously the problems of two thousand and seven, two 374 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: thousand and eight, they come along, but that they don't 375 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 2: come along, you know, very often. So if you know again, 376 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: my rule of thumb is stop paying rent as soon 377 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 2: as you can, even if you have to get a 378 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: smaller unit, a smaller condo. Uh, maybe it's a little 379 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 2: bit further out of out of where you from where 380 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: you work. I think it's I think it's important. Anyway, Look, 381 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,479 Speaker 2: I enjoyed this. I wish I we don't have as 382 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 2: much time as I would hope to have. Maybe I 383 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: could bring you back some night in the next couple 384 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 2: of weeks and we could do a longer version during 385 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: our nine, ten or eleven o'clock hour and take phone 386 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: calls from listeners. Would you be interested in doing Oh God, 387 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 2: love it. Lance. We will get back to you if 388 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: folks want to get in touch with you in the meantime. 389 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: Do you have a website you want to direct people too? 390 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, College Fundingsecrets dot. 391 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 2: Com sounds great. College Fundingsecrets dot Com. Will be back 392 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: in touch. Thanks Lance, I appreciate it. I think you're 393 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 2: a pretty sharp guy, and I'd love to get you 394 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 2: to talk to someone me listeners a little bit later 395 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: on this month or maybe early December. 396 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 4: I enjoyed the opportunity to appreciate you having me on. 397 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, sir. When we get back right 398 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 2: after the news at the bottom of the hour, we're 399 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 2: going to talk about a new pharma pharmaological pharmacological option 400 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: for managing agitation in adults with Alzheimer's. It is essentially 401 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 2: synthetic THHC. We're going to talk with doctor Brent Forrester, 402 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 2: psychiatric psychiatrist, i should say, in chief and chair of 403 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: the psychiatric department at Tufts Medical Center, and he's director 404 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: of the Behavioral Health program for Tuft's Medicine, and he's 405 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: also senior author on this paper that we're about to 406 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: talk about. Been back right after the news at the 407 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 2: bottom of the hour of this is Dan Ray listening 408 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 2: to the Nightside in WBZ. Tell you friends about this show. 409 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: It's great. 410 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio. 411 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: Delighted to welcome doctor Brent Forrester. He's the psychiatrist in 412 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: chief and chair of the psychiatry Department at Tuft's Medical Center, 413 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: director of Behavioral Health for Tufts Medicine, and senior author 414 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 2: on this paper which found that synthetic THC was safe 415 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 2: and effected for reducing agitation in adults with Alzheimer's disease. 416 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 2: Doctor Forrester, welcome Tonightsich, Thank you for joining us. 417 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me. 418 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 2: Dan. So look, a lot of families of an older 419 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 2: relative who's affected by either Alzheimer's or some level of dementia, 420 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: and I guess agitation is a symptom that sometimes can 421 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: company these diseases. 422 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 5: Correct, Yes, Sam, that is correct. Alzheimer's disease has become 423 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 5: and is becoming quickly with the aging of our population, 424 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 5: the epidemic of our time. We have about seven point 425 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 5: two million Americans with some form of dementia, including the 426 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 5: Alzheimer's type of dementia. And what to stress is family 427 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 5: the most is not the loss of memory, difficulty recalling 428 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 5: recent events, or even trouble remembering their names. But it 429 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 5: really really comes down to these behavioral symptoms including anxiety, depression, paranoia, 430 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 5: and also agitation. And these are the symptoms that actually 431 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 5: drive people with dementia into hospitals, into emergency rooms, and 432 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 5: into long term care facilities like nursing homes because it 433 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 5: eventually overwhelms family's ability to care for them. I loved 434 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 5: ones at home. 435 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 2: So the medication is called drnabinol. Is that how it 436 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 2: was pronounced? 437 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 5: It is, Yes, it is called gannabinol. 438 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: That is the generic name. 439 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 5: And it's a medication that was actually approved by the 440 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 5: FDA in nineteen eighty five for two other indications having 441 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 5: nothing to do with agitation in Alzheimer's disease. It was 442 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 5: approved for nauseen vomiting and people were receiving chemotherapy because 443 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 5: it reduced that. And it was approved for loss of 444 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 5: appetite and loss of weight in people with HIV. It 445 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 5: had the properties of stimulating appetite and reducing nauseen vomiting. 446 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 5: And about twenty years ago, while I was at McClain 447 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 5: Hospital and the medical director on an inpatient unit for 448 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 5: people with dementia, agitation, depression, et cetera, we had certain 449 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 5: individuals who just were not responding to usual treatment and 450 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 5: we started to use this medicaid off label because it 451 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 5: was not approved specifically by the FDA for this for 452 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 5: individuals with dementia who had agitation, and found at least 453 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 5: based on our clinical experience that it seemed to help 454 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 5: certain individuals, and that kind of led us down this 455 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 5: pathway towards the research that was just published. 456 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 2: So at this point, where does this medication stand. Is 457 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 2: it now available through through your doctor's office continuing off 458 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 2: label or are now can it be prescribed for the 459 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: symptoms that now it appears to help with in Alzheimer patients. 460 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, it's definitely not approved by the 461 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 5: FDA for the syndication, so this would still be off 462 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 5: label treatment. It is available, there's a generic availability of 463 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 5: dronabanol that can be prescribed. There has been quite a 464 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,239 Speaker 5: shortage actually of this medication for a whole variety of 465 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 5: reasons weight loss, and is weight loss one other since No, No, 466 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 5: I'm not sure it may have. It may have just 467 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 5: have to do with business reasons in manufacturing. I'm not 468 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 5: really sure why there's a shortage. Okay, I'm not sure that. 469 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 5: I don't think there's the shortest because it's been used 470 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 5: in a in abundance, but it's just not as widely 471 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 5: available as one as one may want it to be. 472 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 2: Right, Well, you know there's someone of diabetes. Medications have 473 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 2: been used. One of the secondary benefits is weight loss, 474 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: and one of these, at least one of these medications 475 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 2: have been used, and I think that a lot of 476 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 2: the insurance companies are are going to pull back on that. 477 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if that might have been somehow related 478 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: when you mentioned. 479 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: Right, no, different story. Yeah, all right. 480 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 2: So so the bottom line is you should be able 481 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: to get it if your doctor or your parents doctor 482 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 2: whomever is treating your family member, if the if the 483 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 2: doctor agrees is what I'm saying. 484 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: That is that is correct. 485 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 5: And let me let me also just say that this 486 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 5: was a first of its kind pilot study. Really, it 487 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 5: involves seventy five individuals with Alzheimer's type dementia who had 488 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 5: symptoms of agitation. The outcomes that we looked at were 489 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 5: agitation reduction over a period of three weeks, so not 490 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 5: three months or three years, but just three weeks. And 491 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 5: we compared it to a placebo inert non drug, just 492 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 5: the placebo pill, and we saw that difference and we 493 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 5: saw it was safe. So I just want to caution 494 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 5: people that this was really positive finding. It now needs 495 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 5: to be replicated in larger studies that are done probably 496 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 5: for a little longer period of time than three weeks, 497 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 5: and we're looking into that going forward. 498 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: Is there any downside? Was there any reason that a 499 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: doctor might say, again to the family member that's taking 500 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: care of the person who has Alzheimer's, look this too 501 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 2: much risk involved here? Or it Once the doctors are 502 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 2: familiar with this, do you think it will be readily 503 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 2: accepted even though it was a relatively small and a 504 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 2: small sample. 505 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 5: Size, right, Well, that's a great question, Dan. So the tolerability, 506 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 5: so the medication was very well tolerated by individuals, the 507 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 5: things that doctors would want to look out for, as 508 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 5: well as family members who have loved ones with dementia 509 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 5: if they take drin abanall would be sedation sleepiness, and 510 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 5: that would probably be the primary side effect. The dose 511 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 5: we're using is very low, so we didn't see a 512 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 5: ton of sleepiness in the side effect profile in the study. 513 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 5: And the other thing is it actually stimulates appetite. It 514 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 5: doesn't reduce appetite. It stimulates appetite, which for people with 515 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 5: dementia sometimes is a good thing when they've lost weight. 516 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 5: So from a tolerability perspective, it looked very safe. And 517 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 5: one thing to know is that some of the other 518 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 5: medicines we use off label for agitation and dementia are 519 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 5: actually known to have substantial side effects, not just sleepiness 520 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 5: and dizziness, but things like risk of stroke and risk 521 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 5: of mortality. So compared to the anti psychotic for example, 522 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 5: relatively speaking, this this seems much safer. 523 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: Doctor Forrester, thanks so much for what you do and 524 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 2: thanks for taking some time tonight. Hopefully there'll be some 525 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 2: patience out there or some caretakers for patients who have 526 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 2: heard about this. And again, the the it's a t 527 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 2: it's a synthetic THC. It's called drinabino d R O 528 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: N A B I N O L. Someone may want 529 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 2: to write that down and consult with your own physician, 530 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 2: or with your parents physician, or whoever is impacted. Thanks 531 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 2: so much for what you do. You've probably helped a 532 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 2: lot of people tonight. 533 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you very much. 534 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 2: We'll talk again. Thanks very much. Well we get back. 535 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: We're going to help you navigate conversations during your Thanksgiving 536 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 2: dinner with family and friends. Five ways to keep peace 537 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 2: at the Thanksgiving table. It's going to be talking with 538 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: Juliana Defour, so she's she's gonna help us out and 539 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 2: tell us how we can have a more come and 540 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: more peaceful Thanksgiving dinner with all the politics. I mean, look, 541 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,959 Speaker 2: if mom, Donnie and President Trump can get along as 542 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 2: they seem to get along today, this hope for all 543 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 2: of us. Back on Nightside after this. 544 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio. 545 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: We're joined by Juliana DeFore and you are at ucy Berkley. 546 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 2: What do you do with Ucia? 547 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 6: I am at Berkeley. 548 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I run a program at a center called 549 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 7: the Greater Good Science Center, and our program brings people 550 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 7: together across different sizes. So we, in essence, look at 551 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 7: what the research says about how people stay connected. 552 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 2: You are going to tell us five ways to keep 553 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 2: peace at the Thanksgiving table. You've never had Thanksgiving dinner 554 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 2: with my family, that's for sure. Not only look, this 555 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 2: is a tough period time. Obviously, I've done this show 556 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: for a long time, and I remember back in twenty 557 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: sixteen after the Hillary Clinton Donald Trump election, I encourage 558 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: people to, you know, wear their buttons and their badges 559 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: and just have at it. And that didn't seem to work. 560 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 2: And then I've told people don't talk politics. That doesn't 561 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 2: seem to work. So give us some strategies that you've 562 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 2: figured out that can allow people to keep peace at 563 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 2: the Thanksgiving dinner table. 564 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 6: Absolutely happy to do that. 565 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 7: And I understand the holidays are a perfect stress test 566 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 7: for all of this, right with people you love, strong 567 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 7: opinions and a lot of expectations also in one room. 568 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 7: And our goal really is to help people get through 569 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 7: those conversations with less conflict and more connection. So happy 570 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 7: to walk you through a few tips that you can use. 571 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 6: Ears so awesome. So I mean for starters, grounding yourself and. 572 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 7: This one you can do before you say anything. 573 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 6: Before you arrive, but also in the heat of the moment. 574 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 6: So say your relative says something. 575 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 7: That you know, things you don't like. Your body reacts. 576 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 7: You feel anger, shame, or fear, whatever it is you're feeling, 577 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 7: and it's very easy to fire back. 578 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: When you talk about feeling fear. Wait a second, nobody's 579 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: got a gun here. We're just talking about someone expressed 580 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 2: the political opinion that you probably didn't agree with. I 581 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 2: want to make sure we're not talking about something even 582 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 2: more serious. We're talking about the people. You got someone 583 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 2: over here who loves Donald Trump, and you got someone 584 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: over here who hates Donald Trump or whatever, and you're 585 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: in the middle of the crossfire. So how what would 586 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 2: you suggest people do? 587 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 7: Yeah, and the thing is that, because of polarization and how. 588 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 6: Implained things are, we can feel some of those disagreements. 589 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 4: It's fear as. 590 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 7: Well, believe it or not. So grounding yourself is so important, right, 591 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 7: you would take a pause, take a moment, and do 592 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 7: a technique that is research backed called self distancing, and 593 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 7: that simply means talking to yourself in the third person 594 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,479 Speaker 7: instead of I so, for example, instead of I'm so angry, 595 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 7: I can't believe they said that, you silently say to yourself, 596 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 7: why is still. 597 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 6: In your name, feeling so angry? Right now? 598 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 7: Why am I'm feeling so angry? 599 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 6: And what can I can. 600 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 7: Say Juliana do next so that she won't regret this tomorrow? 601 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 4: Right, So this little. 602 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 7: Shift combined with a slow breath, helps you step back 603 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 7: from the heat of the moment, and it gives you 604 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 7: just enough distance to respond in line with your values 605 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 7: instead of reacting from pure emotion. 606 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 2: Time. So I am going to be able to do that. 607 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 2: That's a great suggestion. I talk to myself all the time, 608 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,719 Speaker 2: all the time, everywhere. 609 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 7: Awesome. So you're already self distancing. 610 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if I'm self distancing, but I 611 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 2: do talk to myself. So now I'm feeling a little grounded, 612 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 2: feeling better. What's what's the next thing I might be 613 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 2: able to do with Like all of a sudden, a 614 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: plate of mash potatoes goes flying across the table. 615 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 4: That's funny. 616 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 7: Well, the point here is that instead of arguing about 617 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 7: like policies or headlines, right, that you focus on personal stories. 618 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 7: So that would be the second technique. So you know, 619 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 7: questions like how did. 620 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 6: You develop this belief or who influenced the way you 621 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 6: see the world. 622 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 7: The most right, and those kinds of questions really pull 623 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 7: people from your wrong and I'm right and into here's 624 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 7: the experiences that shaped me. And you know, in surveys, 625 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 7: students who do this report more empathy and more connection 626 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 7: and more confidence in talking to people across differences, and 627 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 7: families can do the same right like, rather than debating 628 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 7: immigration or climate policy right in the abstract, sharing like, 629 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 7: here's an experience that. 630 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 6: Really shaped how I see this, and then asking for their. 631 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 7: Story too, and trading those stories rather than talking points 632 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 7: really changes everything. 633 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 6: We find that people do soften. 634 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 2: That's kind of what I try to do here on 635 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 2: the show. And I'm not joking when I say this. 636 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 2: What are the things I try to do with my program? 637 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: And I've done it for this for a long time, 638 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 2: and before that I worked in television. I try to 639 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 2: encourage people. I use the term I say, I don't 640 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 2: care what you think. I just want to make sure 641 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 2: you're thinking. Meaning all points of view on my program 642 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:41,479 Speaker 2: are totally acceptable. Don't yell, don't scream if you can 643 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 2: have it, make it a conversation as opposed to a speech. 644 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 2: I'm assuming those are all pretty good techniques as well. 645 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 2: Correct Just to kind of keep it a little more civil. 646 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 7: Yeah. Absolutely, absolutely, all points of an issue being invited 647 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 7: into conversation is what we do when lee Bridge differences 648 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 7: and with like focusing on the story, it's more of 649 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 7: here's what happened to me, and. 650 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 6: Then I'd like to hear what happened to you? 651 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 7: And I mean Brenda Brown says you can't hate people 652 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,879 Speaker 7: up close, and that's a little bit the gist of 653 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 7: this one technique that I just shared. 654 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's very good. What do you do 655 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 2: with the person who just sits next to you at 656 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and you really don't want to engage because whatever, 657 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 2: maybe they've had a couple of drinks and they're really 658 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 2: intense and they're passionate. How do you and I know 659 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 2: we only have about a minute left, but is there 660 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 2: some little technique that you could share with us as 661 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 2: to what you can do to You're sitting there, you 662 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 2: can't move, you're having dinner, and this person has kind 663 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 2: of focused their attention on you and it's. 664 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 7: Not Yeah, no, absolutely, Well, setting gentle boundaries when needed 665 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 7: is extremely important, right, and like letting people know that 666 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 7: you know, maybe you both care about this country, but 667 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 7: you just see the solutions. 668 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 6: Differently might be what is needed, and if. 669 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 7: It is harmful to you, then you see that common 670 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,919 Speaker 7: turts and I need to break from this conversation. We're 671 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 7: very clear in our program that we're not asking people 672 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 7: to bridge at all costs, so knowing when to lean 673 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 7: in and when to protect your own well being is 674 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 7: absolutely essential. 675 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 2: I'm not talking about being physically, but just someone them 676 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 2: won't let it go, That's what I'm saying. Hey, Juliana, 677 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 2: you sound like you would be a great person to 678 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 2: share Thanksgiving with. I'll be thinking of you, Julian, Juliana 679 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 2: de four, Is there a way people could find your website? 680 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 2: Do you have a website you'd like to direct people to? 681 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? 682 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 7: Absolutely. We can be found at Greater Good dot Berkeley 683 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 7: dot ee du and you can find all of our 684 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 7: bridging differences resources there as well, including a playbook with 685 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,720 Speaker 7: fourteen science based skills for bridging differences in our general 686 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 7: Audience playbook and a new hire ed playbook with sixteen 687 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 7: science based skills for bridging differences. 688 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 2: Juliana, thank you very much. I'm sorry that we got 689 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 2: your last name mixed up and it's Juliana to four. 690 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Juliana, appreciate it very much. Have 691 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 2: a great thanks. 692 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 7: Gay, Thank you you too. 693 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 2: All right. Thanks. When we get back, we're going to 694 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 2: be talking about I know you won't believe this one, 695 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 2: but there actually is apparently a move afoot at the 696 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 2: Massachusetts Water Resources Authority that might want to increase the 697 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,439 Speaker 2: amount of sewage that's dumped into the Charles River. We'll 698 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 2: explain it and hopefully we'll make people wear what's going on. 699 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 2: We'll be back on Night Side right after the nine