1 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: It's time Johnny Johnny Johnny fla headache I didn't be 2 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: talking about right now. 3 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: RBC Wealth Management helps bring us Johnny athletic to you. 4 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 3: Were you in Sacramento? 5 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: No, you couldn't have been a Sacramento last night because 6 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: you were at the UH at the People Stadium Downtow, Minneapolis, 7 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: weren't you. 8 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 4: That is correct. 9 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 5: I didn't have the private jet to get me to 10 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 5: stack right after fortunate least, so we watched it from home. 11 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 3: That's a matter of the time, all right. 12 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: So something moved you in the JJ body language, and 13 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: it's created a lot of polarizing thought here because regarding 14 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: his response on the interceptions, there's some people were saying, well, 15 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: he knew on one of them that the player was down, 16 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: and ultimately he was going to the play was going 17 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: to be brought back there, and that there's too much 18 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: hyperventilation on it. You stand by your position because it's 19 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: certainly appeared, based on what I read of your piece, 20 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: to disturb you greatly. 21 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 6: Yeah. 22 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 5: I do stand by it, Dan, I mean yeah, And 23 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 5: I did point out in the piece about the first 24 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 5: interception that he did know that he hit the guy down, 25 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 5: and so there wasn't as much of a reason to 26 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 5: run after him, but the second interception, there's no excuse 27 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 5: at all, and he literally walked toward the defender, Marlon 28 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 5: Humphrey as he was having up the field. And it 29 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 5: wasn't just that, but it was the way that he 30 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 5: was running routes. It was, you know, kind of not 31 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 5: holding onto the ball like he usually does. 32 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 3: And this all. 33 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 5: Stems dan from Jefferson's brilliance for the first five and 34 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 5: a half years of his career, and how much of 35 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 5: that is based on his energy, his infectious attitude, his 36 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 5: constant positivity, and as I said in the piece, there 37 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 5: are actually some good reasons for him to be frustrated, 38 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 5: but we also have never seen him lay with that lifelessness. 39 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,839 Speaker 5: I don't think, I mean it was glaring because you're 40 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 5: just not used to seeing it. And so there were 41 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 5: certainly many other reasons they lost the game, the penalties, 42 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 5: McCarthy's erratic throat, accuracy and all those things. But I 43 00:02:55,320 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 5: just was taken aback by the lack of energy that 44 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 5: we saw from Justin Jefferson because we are just so 45 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 5: used to seeing so much more of it. 46 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: You know, it's fairly predictable. 47 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily at all surprised despite the warnings that 48 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: I tried to lay out last August and even into September. 49 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 3: In fact, I think you and I talked about this 50 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: at the time. 51 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: And the new game that's being played by Vikings apologists 52 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: and by the mcbulbos is the obvious. Well, I'm gonna 53 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do some research. 54 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna check to see. I'm going to compare what 55 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy did in his first four starts to every quarterback, 56 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: every young quarterback in the history to football, and what 57 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: they did in their first four starts. And of course, conveniently, 58 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: they often leave out a couple of things, not the 59 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: least of which is what was the relative condition of 60 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: the team that the new young quarterback inherited. 61 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: They conveniently leave that out, that many of. 62 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: Those quarterbacks were were joining teams that only got them 63 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: because they were among the worst teams in football. But 64 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: I digress beyond that. We said, there's going in my opinion, 65 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: and I stand by this, an inherent unfairness to the 66 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: way JJ is going to be evaluated immediately, but that 67 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: the Vikings themselves set this up, and you know, I mean, 68 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 2: if you make the decision they made when they had 69 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: other quarterback options that they could have considered, they could 70 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: have worked through, and say we're going with him, and 71 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: we're still going to make all these other moves because 72 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: we think that's going to give him the best chance 73 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 2: to succeed immediately, and yeah, we intend to be a 74 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: team going for the playoffs immediately, then that's the way 75 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: I think the. 76 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 3: Team needs to be graded. 77 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: Ultimately, JJ is going to have obviously plenty of time 78 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: to prove whether he can be the long term ance 79 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: or not. This was set up by the Vikings to 80 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: where I believe it was absolutely fair degrade on what 81 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 2: if you want to classify it as an unfair curve 82 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,559 Speaker 2: on the basis of the infrastructure around him, the team 83 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 2: that he was inheriting, compared to many of these other 84 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 2: situations going starting with Caleb Williams, Michael Pennix, a number 85 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: of others of those as well. 86 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: I just. 87 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 2: We still should be allowed to evaluate in real time 88 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: the way he looks. That's very different than saying cut him. 89 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: It's very different from saying give up on him. But 90 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: you can if it makes you people feel better to 91 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: play this game go ahead, but that has nothing to 92 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: do with the reality that the Vikings themselves set up. 93 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 5: Breck Dan and I'll say this yesterday, there's nothing that 94 00:05:53,400 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 5: was surprising to me about that performance from JJ McCarthy, 95 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 5: just given the context of he is making his fourth start, 96 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 5: he is still trying to figure this out. This is 97 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 5: what you signed up for when you decided to put 98 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 5: a young quarterback out there on a team with playoffs aspirations. 99 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 5: And what we have talked about the whole time is 100 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 5: there's two things that really stood out about the Vikings 101 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 5: plan and their beliefs that, hey, we can be a 102 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 5: team that does go into the plaffs, that does have 103 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 5: success in the playoffs with this quarterback, because of the 104 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 5: well coached infrastructure, because of the guys we are going 105 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 5: to sign with the extra money that we would have 106 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 5: given Sam Darnold or someone else, and that is what 107 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,799 Speaker 5: is going to allow us to expedite the growth curve 108 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 5: for JJ McCarthy and get into a position where we're 109 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 5: winning at a high level fairly quickly. And what happened 110 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 5: yesterday was you got a performance that you should expect 111 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 5: from a young quarterback. Some really nice plays sometimes where 112 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 5: he's breaking the pocket, where he's making throws down the 113 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 5: field really accurate, and some plays that are like whoa, 114 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 5: this is not nowhere close to where it needed to be. 115 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 5: This is erratic, he's making the wrong decision, he's missing 116 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 5: guys that are open, those types of things. But the 117 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 5: safety net was always supposed to be we're going to 118 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 5: be very well coached, very well schemed. We're not going 119 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 5: to beat ourselves, and we're going to have Ryan Kelly, 120 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 5: Will Fries, Javon Hargrave, Jonathan Allen, all these guys that 121 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 5: you know, Isaiah Rodgers that we're going to sign that 122 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 5: are going to make such a big difference around JJ 123 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 5: McCarthy that this is going to be really, really good. 124 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 5: And what we saw yesterday was a ton of penalties 125 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 5: pre snap, all of those mistakes that were happening. We 126 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 5: saw JJ, Justin Jefferson be a little bit lethargic for 127 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 5: whatever reason. Hargrave and Allen have not really been living 128 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 5: up to the deals that they signed. Rogers had a 129 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 5: really good game and that's it. You know, Ryan Kelly's 130 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 5: been injured, has been okay, But like all of the 131 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 5: things that we're supposed to be rock solid around him. 132 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 5: Have been hits and misses so far this season, and 133 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 5: that's kind of where they are why they are where 134 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 5: they are right now. 135 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: In the old fashioned quarterback ratings, okay, not the new QBR, 136 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: but the old fashioned quarterback ratings, JJ McCarthy ranks dead 137 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: last in the National Football League through four games. 138 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: He's forty fourth. 139 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: Now, I'll I'll say, even by the standards you laid out, well, 140 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: young quarterback going to take some time whatever. That's hideous 141 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: that that's to me, given the infrastructure, that's worse than 142 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 2: it should be, even for a young quarterback who's trying 143 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: to figure it out. He's literally in last place behind 144 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: Jake Browning. 145 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 3: He is forty fourth in the league. 146 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: You want to go to the new newfangle QBR, I 147 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: can't even him. He would be listed, I think, just 148 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: ahead of cam Ward and behind Dylan Gabriel who is 149 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: thirty second. 150 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 3: His QBR is in the twenties. 151 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: So again, we're keeping score, right, I mean, we're still 152 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: have to keep score and in it because, believe me, 153 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: if his quarterback rating numbers were through the roof are 154 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 2: surprisingly good, we would be hearing about it, right, We 155 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: would be hearing, hey, look at this, this is unbelievable. 156 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 2: So in a sense, what the mc bobos have set 157 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: up is he's tough on. He can't be ripped. If 158 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 2: he does well, we have to praise him, which many 159 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 2: of us did as recently as as a week ago 160 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: for some very nice stretches. But if he's bad, look 161 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: at look at well, remember what John Elway did in 162 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: his first couple of games, et cetera. So's it's fine 163 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change 164 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: the fact that they keep score at an astro fooball league, 165 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 2: and they keep stats. There is anything in the stats 166 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: that says, well, let's not even keep the stats QBR 167 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 2: and an old fashioned quarterback rating of first year quarterbacks 168 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: or quarterbacks who are playing in their first season, even 169 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: though this is the second year of his career. 170 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: That's just not that's just not realistic. That's not the 171 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 3: way it works. 172 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 2: So we're going to watch, and we're going to see, 173 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: and I'll add I'll go one step further, you know, 174 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: and I know the number one reason they had eight 175 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: false starts. It's the quarterback's cadence that there's there's let's 176 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: just again be clear about this. There may have been 177 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: individual ones that had something to do with something else, 178 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: but there's a disconnect in terms of what they're asking 179 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: him to do, or how they're asking him to do it, 180 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: or how he is trying to execute whatever they're asking 181 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: him to do. Is it another example of the head 182 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: coach as quarterback whisper trying to be too cute and 183 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: expecting too much from him. Hey, let's see if we 184 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: can draw people off sides when he can't even do 185 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: the basics right now, I don't know the answer to that, 186 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 2: but let's let's be clear. That's why his cadence is 187 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 2: throwing off people who ordinarily do not fall start as 188 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 2: often as they did. 189 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, Brian O'Neil three times. I mean, that's just like 190 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 5: that never happens. The other thing that this brings up, Dan, 191 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 5: and I will preface this by saying, I remain a 192 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 5: believer that JJ McCarthy can be a good quarterback in 193 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 5: this league. I'm not hitting the alarm bellany yet, but yeah, 194 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 5: but I remember and I was playing as day, Dan 195 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 5: sitting in a conference room at the old Winter Park 196 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 5: headquarters with Rick Spielman and a bunch of our scribes 197 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 5: sitting around the table and Rick Spielman reciting Eli manning 198 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 5: early stacks to us as justification to that we were 199 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 5: panicking or that we were jumping the gun on Christian Ponder, 200 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 5: and you know, hey, I've just seen all this happen, 201 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 5: and look at what Eli did early, look at what 202 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 5: a few of these other young guys did early, and 203 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 5: ponders even better than that, And so he's going to 204 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 5: be just fine. So history like that is very so, 205 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 5: and you can find if you dig back far enough 206 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 5: and deep enough, you can find any numbers to support 207 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 5: whatever you believe, whether McCarthy is going to be totally 208 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 5: fine or going to he's a disaster. And so that's 209 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 5: a game that is very dangerous to play, especially when 210 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 5: you're saying, well, el way did this, al is one 211 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 5: of the very very best of all time. Let's just 212 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 5: slow your role on on some of those as well. So, yeah, 213 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 5: you know, McCarthy does have to be better. You can't 214 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 5: complete forty six percent of his passes be airmail and 215 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 5: Jefferson a few times like that, and but again like 216 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 5: that's these are the things that they signed up for, 217 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 5: and making the decision to do things the way that 218 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 5: they did. 219 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: Let's do some bonus bucks and then we'll get a 220 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: little more Johnny on the other side. 221 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 4: Fan and two men and a junk truck want to 222 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 4: give you a shot to win bonus bucks with our 223 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 4: National Cash Contest. The keyword is credit. Go to cafe 224 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 4: in dot com and enter the keyword credit. 225 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: No curamous moments. 226 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 7: Get up offense, JJ McCarthy is you have to throw 227 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 7: a touchdown passing this building. He's under center, first down, 228 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 7: first and ten from the twenty. Oh my Gara saw 229 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 7: and Hawkinson jumped. There's something with this cadence here that's 230 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 7: getting them. 231 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 2: I mean file offense nine and seventy one personal fasts, 232 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: a five grad penalty of first down and. 233 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 6: Go ahead Freudian slide there by the official No, he 234 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 6: McCarthy tried to check to a different play and I 235 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 6: don't know, you know, sometimes you're allowed that in the play. 236 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 6: Sometimes it's a play it, you know what I mean, 237 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 6: where you can't check it. 238 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 3: And they were ready. 239 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 6: The whole entire offensive line was ready for the snap, 240 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 6: and they were a lot of them were moving. So 241 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 6: to me from the from from this angle, it looked 242 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 6: to me like it was a mistake. 243 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 3: Made by McCarthy. 244 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 8: Join us again for another famous moments in kid Gas offense. 245 00:13:49,559 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: It's a play. 246 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 8: Fall stars by the offense number seventy five, five yard 247 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 8: penalty second down. 248 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 3: Its go'll be a long year. 249 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: I can see that it might even be a long 250 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: three or four years. This is from five to one eight. Guy, 251 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: he won two games already. He's going to be elite. 252 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: How you people can't see it? You're clueless. To come 253 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 2: from behind factor is more important than putting up a 254 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: lot of yardish Who said anything about yardagh qbr. Stats 255 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: aren't just about yardage. 256 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 3: And so is I. This is the beauty of being 257 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy. 258 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: He gets all the credit for the victories, but apparently 259 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 2: he'll he'll receive no blame whatsoever for the losses. Johnny, 260 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: let me ask you about something else. Let me find 261 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: the talking point here and see if we can get 262 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: to it. This one I classify as why doesn't KOC 263 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: like success? J. J. 264 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 7: McCarthy in his second home regular season start, goes under 265 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 7: center first and ten from his own twenty one Jones 266 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 7: the tail back, and he gets the call nice hole 267 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 7: to the right side. 268 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: He hits the. 269 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 7: Twenty yard line and Roekwan Smith and another raven or, 270 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 7: Able Koyer, to bring him down after a game of 271 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 7: six two tight ends off to the right hand off Jones. 272 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 7: He goes that way past the line of scrimmage, gets 273 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 7: to the thirty steps to the thirty five, No, the 274 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 7: forty and that's where he stopped at the forty one. 275 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 7: Aaron Jones speedy with that seventeen yard run. 276 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 6: Hey Paul, what a shot in the arm. Come out 277 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 6: of halftime. You hand the football off one time, you 278 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 6: get the first down. That's what Aaron Jones has been 279 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 6: given this offense the last couple of weeks. And despite 280 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 6: the shoulder being nicked up, he's out there just beautiful 281 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 6: cutback running. 282 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 3: It's three of seven on third down. 283 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 7: This is third and short, two tight ends, they're balanced 284 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 7: offset I right McCarthy on third and one is gonna 285 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 7: pass from under center. He's gonna go deep. Jefferson him 286 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 7: now and Marlon Humphrey picked it up, picked it off 287 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 7: at the five yard line. The veteran Marlon Humphrey heads 288 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 7: up the field lazily to the fifteen. Now he sprints 289 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 7: twenty twenty five and JJ McCarthy has thrown two interceptions 290 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 7: he's sprinting over to the sideline. 291 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 3: Marthy's under center. 292 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 7: Straight eye hand off to Jordan Mason. Good block by c. J. 293 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 7: Hamm Mason plows to the right across the forty and 294 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 7: he's finally stopped at the forty five. It's a twelve 295 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 7: yard run by Jordan Mason. 296 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 6: A little bit of a counterpower and that's that's kind 297 00:16:58,880 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 6: of the cool thing with the. 298 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 3: Running now is with Aaron Jones. 299 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 6: You get in one style and there is that right 300 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 6: sit back there you're getting another and you know the 301 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 6: Ravens at their front has not been all that stout 302 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 6: against the run, and we can't we can't just abandon it. 303 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 3: No O Candell attempting as it is. 304 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 6: Well, I think to throw the football in this case 305 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 6: because the Ravens, after putting Kyle Hamilton in the box 306 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 6: and doing a number of different things trying to get 307 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 6: pressure on the quarterback, they've they've settled in too, just 308 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 6: playing some softer underneath zones. You still need to run 309 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 6: the football. 310 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 7: They feel an in motion to the left, two receivers right, 311 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 7: Jefferson and Addison. 312 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: Now Jordan's in motion to the left. 313 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 7: Third and three McCarthy back to pass attempts to throw 314 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 7: over the middle, but the balls batted at the line 315 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 7: of scrimmage. 316 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 3: I think by Kyle Hamilton, Johnny, you know the numbers. 317 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: The Vikings averaged six point seven yards per carry. They 318 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: only ran eighteen times. They never ran I don't believe 319 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: even once on third or fourth down. Now, I don't 320 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: expect him to run on third and nine or there 321 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: are actually there are some teams who do run when 322 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 2: it's third and five, or third and six or third 323 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: and seven. 324 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 3: But we're back to. 325 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: Helping out the kid quarterback get on his feet. And 326 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 2: I'll say again, there's no one with a straight face 327 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: who's going to tell me that this head coach, with 328 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 2: his stubbornness on wanting to look like the cool quarterback coach, 329 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 2: is doing that. 330 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 3: I don't believe that he is. 331 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: And I thought we saw it again with not one 332 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 2: but two running backs who are running very effectively. Now, 333 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: I get it, when you're down fourteen or you're down fifteen, 334 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 2: obviously everything kind of changes at that point. 335 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 3: Or But the truth is, there are a lot of. 336 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: Teams that will still insist on we're still going to 337 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: run the ball. 338 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 3: Some we may not run. 339 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 2: At four straight plays but we're going to continue to 340 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 2: mix that in and that that's just not anything that 341 00:18:58,760 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: he's interested in doing. 342 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 343 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 5: No, I mean, the one caveat I will give him 344 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 5: is that when you do have as many pre snap 345 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 5: penalties as they did, it's a lot of first and fifteens, 346 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 5: and and that makes it more difficult. But the kind 347 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 5: of one of the hallmarks of Kevin O'Connell's tenure so 348 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 5: far as head coach, which has been successful. He's winning 349 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 5: games doing things, but he does he runs the ball begrudgingly, 350 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 5: like that's what it is. I mean, we remember his 351 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 5: first season where it was Alexander Madison basically like a 352 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 5: complete dismissal of the running game entirely. And and I 353 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 5: think that if he had a perfect day, they would 354 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 5: run twice and throw it sixty times and win the 355 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 5: game that way. That's just the way that he's wired, 356 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 5: the way that he has built. But you know, it 357 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 5: is going. It is damaging the Vikings chances of winning, 358 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 5: especially when you look at in the context of a game. 359 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 5: I mean, Aaron Jones looks great right now, he really 360 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 5: has come off of that injury, is moving well, he's explosive, 361 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 5: he is making a difference in the running game when 362 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 5: the ball is in his hands. And I think that 363 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy is very erratic, and so it is kind 364 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 5: of confusing to me why you would put so much 365 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 5: pressure on McCarthy's shoulders to carry the load offensive when 366 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 5: you don't have to. If it was Alexander Madison it 367 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 5: was two yards in a cloud of dust, I would 368 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 5: understand it. But they are having real success in the 369 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 5: running game when they commit to it, and yet they 370 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 5: just go away from it time and time again. 371 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of discussion about the third and one. 372 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 2: This is in the first drive the second half. I 373 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: think that Guarzie had much of that drive covered the 374 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: runs early because that drive indeed started with a seventeen 375 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: yard run by Jones, then a five yard run by Jones, 376 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 2: then a four yard pass to Addison. So it's now 377 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 2: third and one at the fifty. And I ordinarily, if 378 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: you take the head coach at his word, I ordinarily 379 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 2: would say, I got no problem trying a pass play 380 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 2: on third and one as long as I'm certain that 381 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 2: you are going for it on fourth down. And by 382 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: the way, and this is the thing, I don't know 383 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: that he owned up to you're going to run the 384 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 2: ball on the fourth one, because knowing him, he was 385 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 2: going to pass it on both plays. But I will 386 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: add this caveat to your point about the position that 387 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: the team is in at this point. The game is 388 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: getting shaky, right, the lead has been cut to one, 389 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 2: it's now ten to nine. They have a significant decent 390 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: amount of momentum. So as much as after the game 391 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 2: you heard the head coach say what we got to 392 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 2: you know, we got to balance this out. We still 393 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: got to let him learn and we got to try 394 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 2: to make some plays. I will continue to say, if 395 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,719 Speaker 2: you want to do your quarterback in that situation a favor, 396 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 2: that's not the time you pick for that play. You 397 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 2: run it again, and I get it. It feels like 398 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 2: it's a wasted opportunity the way you like to run offense. 399 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 2: But I think you got to take pay attention to 400 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 2: time and place, and to me, the best favor you 401 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 2: do for your quarterback there is get another first down 402 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 2: and start the whole process over again. And that's why 403 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: I I didn't even like that call, even if I 404 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 2: generally say yeah, if you know you're gonna have two 405 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 2: downs to get the yard. 406 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 3: Go ahead fling it on one of those. 407 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 2: But in that circumstance, I'm not sure that I even 408 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 2: would have done that then. And I ultimately he doesn't 409 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: know that the player that JJ's gonna trip, right, Jefferson's 410 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: gonna gonna stumble. But to me, it's a it's another 411 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: great illustration of where I just don't trust his desire 412 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: or enjoyment in just letting somebody pound the ball for 413 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 2: seven yards. 414 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that when you look at that play, 415 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 5: so much of it was right right. I mean, you 416 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 5: got Jefferson one on one, you all going down the field, 417 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 5: you have that fourth down, And I do think today 418 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connell did clarify that he at least he said 419 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 5: that he had a run in the chamber basically down 420 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 5: And of course, yeah, of course you're going to say that. 421 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 5: But you know, I'm with you on that point of 422 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 5: reading the game, reading your quarterback, and reading the defense, 423 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 5: all of those things to just say, not to mention 424 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 5: Dan that this has not been a good short yardage 425 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 5: team all season long. So you may need two cracks 426 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 5: at it to get the first down on third and one, 427 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 5: and if you're just running it, and so even if 428 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 5: you go for it on fourth and one, where the 429 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 5: defense would presumably load up a little bit more against 430 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 5: the run that might be hard to pick up. 431 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 3: So I think that at. 432 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 5: This stage of JJ mccarr these career, what you want 433 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 5: is to build successes throughout the game. Just get them 434 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 5: feeling comfortable and confident and keeping things simple. And if 435 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 5: that means, well, we don't want a baby him, sometimes 436 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 5: you got you might have to baby him early on, 437 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 5: like and just not give him too much to chew 438 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 5: on and let him find some success and some rhythm. 439 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 5: The first drive was really good, really impressive, but you 440 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 5: still got to build on that. And he has a 441 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 5: a knack so far for kind of going dormant through 442 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 5: the second and third quarters. And so when you have 443 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 5: an opportunity to extend the drive and when you're running 444 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 5: the ball as well as you are, you know, kind 445 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 5: of leaning into that I think is important just right now. 446 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 5: There will be times, hopefully in the future, where McCarthy 447 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 5: has much more command where everything is hitting on all cylinders, 448 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 5: and then you can get you know, you can get 449 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 5: loose with it and you can let him, let him 450 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 5: let it fly. But just right now, if this stage 451 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 5: of his development I don't know that he's ready for that. 452 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 3: What is seventy two divided by thirteen. I'm gonna do it. 453 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 3: I got a calculator. 454 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 2: I'm ready because I don't trust my I don't trust myself. 455 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 3: I have that one. 456 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 2: Seventy two divided by thirteen equals five point five yards 457 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: of carry. Those are the numbers related to Jones and Mason, 458 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 2: because McCarthy had five carries for forty eight and a 459 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: couple of people saying, well, the numbers not as gaudy 460 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 2: as you're making it sound. On the ground game. By 461 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 2: the way, I don't mind including McCarthy in the ground game. 462 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: I don't mind using his legs on even on a 463 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: on a third and one or a third and three, 464 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: because we had a bunch of downs like that where 465 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: we never even considered, we don't even consider running the ball. 466 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 2: But that's those are good numbers for the two running backs. 467 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 3: Five point five and again. 468 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 2: It's I think it's almost criminal that the two running 469 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: backs totaled thirteen carries. 470 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 3: It just you mean, you look at the way. 471 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 7: Now. 472 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 3: I know Baltimore is built different, but. 473 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 2: Look what they did once they got ahead in that game. 474 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: They almost refused to throw the ball until Actually they 475 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: I thought did throw the ball too much late to 476 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 2: help give the Vikings that last chance. But they just 477 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 2: kept pounding is what they did. And here's another thing. 478 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 2: If you have third and four or third and three, 479 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: you can run, and even if you get two that 480 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 2: it's fourth down, you have something to think about. But 481 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: maybe that fourth and one is I think we're afraid 482 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: he has no interest in even throwing it on a 483 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: running the ball on third and four. That's not illegal 484 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: in this league. You don't want to do it all 485 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 2: the time, but there are teams who do it actually 486 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 2: quite effectively. 487 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 5: There is no one who can have a serious conversation 488 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,719 Speaker 5: about that football game and say, well, you know, actually 489 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 5: Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason only averaged five point five, 490 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 5: so it's not that big. You watched that game and 491 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 5: the way that it was going, they were getting whatever 492 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 5: they wanted in the run game, and the way the 493 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 5: juice with which Aaron Joe Oones was playing was palpable. 494 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 5: You could just see it. He was fast, he was explosive, 495 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 5: he was quick, he was ready. And if you want 496 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 5: to limit his pitches, if you're worried a little bit 497 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 5: about his injury. Jordan Mason is going to be fine, 498 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 5: especially in the third and one situations. So you know, 499 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 5: we can have debates about play calling and all those things, 500 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 5: but I really don't have a whole lot of time 501 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 5: for someone who said, well, actually Aaron Jones and Mason 502 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 5: weren't all that good. It was mostly JJ McCarthy Patty 503 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 5: in that stat That's not what was happening. 504 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 2: In that game, no question about that. We're very late. 505 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: Thanks as always for the time. 506 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 3: Wolves. 507 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 2: We're going to get to next time we have you on, 508 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: I'll throw in one question for a thirty second answer. 509 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: There are Wolves fans who want to know if there's 510 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 2: any reason to think that there might be some John 511 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 2: Morant steam in the Minnesota Timberwol's future. 512 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, not right now, Dan. I mean, I do think 513 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 5: that Tim Connelly's really aggressive. So if they are flailing around, 514 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 5: you know, late Decemner, early January, they could revisit it. 515 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 5: They they are monitoring it, as stam Atic reported with 516 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 5: us with the athletic and I do think that they've 517 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 5: had some cursory stuff just thinking about it, but they're 518 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 5: starting to come. 519 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 3: Around a little bit. 520 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 5: They got to play a good team but I don't 521 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 5: think they're ready to pull a trigger like that. And lastly, 522 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 5: a deal with for John Morant with all that money, 523 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 5: with the second aprons and stuff, is just very hard 524 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 5: to pull off if you don't have a ton of picks, 525 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 5: and the Wolves do not. So I wouldn't hold my 526 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 5: breath if I were Wolves fans. But we'll see if 527 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 5: it gets real, if things go off the table, you know, 528 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 5: late in December and they're and they're desperate for something. 529 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 3: Thank you, Johnny. 530 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 2: We'll chat soon, all right, John Krazinski, Johnny Athletic quick 531 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: pause labor later this hour. 532 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 3: And a thrifty traveler guy in the. 533 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 8: Five oh No Fimus Moments up Offense. 534 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 3: We've barely seen him since. 535 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 7: All right, First down, first and ten from the forty 536 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 7: one flag, All star Vikings come. 537 00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about. 538 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 8: Join us again with another famous moments. 539 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: Offense. 540 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 2: All right, Ben Leaver coming up in just a few minutes. 541 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 2: And thirty traveler guys. I said in the five Lots 542 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 2: of Vikings talking points yet to comel that we've already 543 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 2: offered up. 544 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 3: Several of them. 545 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 2: Like I said, I wish I could trust him more 546 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: because ordinarily, like I said on a third and one, 547 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: if you've already decided we're going forward on fourth down, 548 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: I have no problem with trying to throw. 549 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 3: You know, it's like, okay, because. 550 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 2: It's not doesn't have to be the If it doesn't work, 551 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 2: you're not assuming there's gonna be an I t obviously 552 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,479 Speaker 2: it's not gonna be the end of the series. Now 553 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: you do, I guess run the risk of a sack 554 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 2: where there's suddenly then you're gonna do from position. But 555 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: you can't play that way the whole game. I just 556 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: and you know, I'd like to believe him when he 557 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: says I had a run dialed up for fourth than 558 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 2: one if we didn't get the first down. That's why 559 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: I felt like we got, you know, two downs to 560 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 2: get this. Let's say, let's let's try something. This is 561 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: where you try to give any quarterback a chance to 562 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: sort of make a play. 563 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 3: I just don't trust him enough to do that. 564 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: Somebody had texted Shanahan and San Francisco developed the seventh 565 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 2: round QB and brock perty by allowing him to manage 566 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 2: the game, including short throws in a running game. O'Connor 567 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 2: last with Justice lenses. He does not have Matt Stafford 568 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: under center. It's well put, I think, and eventually he 569 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 2: might I'm not kirk Cousins, right, Yeah. In the interim though, 570 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 2: I don't understand why it's that difficult to I mean, 571 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: accept four yards here, another first down, because in the end, 572 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 2: you're gonna there's gonna be time for McCarthy to to 573 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 2: prove he can fling. Right, There's always going to be 574 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 2: time for that. But there's no rush on that. So 575 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 2: in the meantime, because what is the head coach told us, 576 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: He has said, we're trying to do both. We're trying 577 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: to develop this quarterback. We want to win right now, right, 578 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: So to me, the best way you thread that particular 579 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 2: needle is you are willing to go a little bit 580 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 2: even more conservative than you'd otherwise intended. Now, again, when 581 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 2: you're down fifteen or to where we down fourteen, whatever 582 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 2: it was at that point, obviously you're going to have 583 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: to start flinging it. 584 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 3: That's just sort of the nature of the beast. 585 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 4: But they even ran the ball a couple of times 586 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 4: on one of those drives when they were down fourteen 587 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 4: to kind of get him back. 588 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 3: That's true. Sure, you're right, I mean it's not illegal. 589 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 4: What you guys have made the point that Aaron Jones 590 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 4: looked really good yesterday, because he does look really good 591 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 4: at times, and he looks great yesterday. What's always funny 592 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 4: to me is they have and I was thinking of 593 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 4: this yesterday, they have really cool inventive running plays like 594 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 4: they do. 595 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, they get him the ball and it's the one. 596 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,959 Speaker 4: Cut thing that Mercers was talking about, and it just 597 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 4: looks effortless. 598 00:31:59,040 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 3: I forget us. 599 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: You heard it from Yeah a couple of times before 600 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 2: the outcome was known, saying don't we can't forget about 601 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 2: the run, Paul. Last week they gave Adis in a carry, yeah, right, 602 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 2: and a huge play on third down and he picked 603 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 2: it up. There's so many different ways to move it. 604 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 2: It is crazy, though, how this has become such a thing, 605 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 2: just the refusal. Somebody had the numbers, you know, the 606 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 2: you know, it's like seven of twenty passing and like 607 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: four times they've run the ball in those situations. 608 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 3: It's not that dramatic. But I'm not that far off. No, 609 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 3: not that far off. Are you losing your voice? By 610 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 3: the way, I might be a little bit of a 611 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 3: little raspy. I mean it's you know, it's cold in 612 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 3: the air. Yeah, that's true. It's that time of year. 613 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 2: Load management. Ben Lieber will get his reaction to yesterday's festivities. 614 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 2: Maybe he'll help us prepare for an interesting Monday night 615 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 2: encounter involving an NFC North opponent as well. 616 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 8: Oh no Furmus moments up kicks offense. 617 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 3: We'vepparently seen him since. 618 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 7: All right, first down, first intent from the forty one flag, 619 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 7: All start vikings come. 620 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 3: That is what I'm talking about. 621 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 8: Join us again for another famous moment in a gas offense.