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We have been deliberating for 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:48.800 nearly 30 hours across five days. We are potentially hung. 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:53.080 What happens if a judge declares a hung jury? The 0:01:53.100 --> 0:01:55.840 case results in a mistrial. That does not mean that 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:59.180 Clancy walks. It does not mean that she automatically gets 0:01:59.300 --> 0:02:02.710 remanded to the custody of a mental health facility. The 0:02:02.770 --> 0:02:06.630 state of Massachusetts, or excuse me, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts 0:02:07.010 --> 0:02:11.010 would then decide whether or not it's going to retry 0:02:11.110 --> 0:02:16.330 Clancy or it's just going to not retry the matter 0:02:16.530 --> 0:02:19.829 at all. My guess in a case this high profile, 0:02:19.870 --> 0:02:25.190 there would almost certainly be a retrial and we will 0:02:26.190 --> 0:02:30.350 see what happens. Here's what happens when a jury tells 0:02:30.450 --> 0:02:33.570 a judge that that it just can't come to a decision. 0:02:33.610 --> 0:02:39.190 This actually occurs not super often, but more often than 0:02:39.230 --> 0:02:43.709 you might think. The jury isn't automatically hung, nor can 0:02:43.750 --> 0:02:48.750 a judge simply force a jury to keep working to 0:02:48.790 --> 0:02:52.180 try to just get through to the one or two 0:02:52.250 --> 0:02:57.140 remaining holdouts. Sometimes a judge will ask members of the 0:02:57.180 --> 0:03:01.140 jury how many are holding out. Now, they're obviously not 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:05.670 when they're sitting in the courtroom, when they're in open court, 0:03:05.690 --> 0:03:07.769 they're not going to buy a show of hands. Who 0:03:07.830 --> 0:03:11.250 thinks this crazy person is guilty? Who thinks she's actually 0:03:11.310 --> 0:03:15.290 not guilty because she's so crazy. You don't do that, 0:03:15.330 --> 0:03:19.160 but you ask the foreperson maybe during a sidebar, a 0:03:19.340 --> 0:03:23.120 judge can go into the jury's chambers and talk to 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.320 them privately. There are all manner of things, but, but, 0:03:26.790 --> 0:03:28.430 a lot of times what a judge will do is 0:03:28.490 --> 0:03:31.840 try to figure out, okay, how many of you are 0:03:32.180 --> 0:03:38.420 still dissenting from the main verdict? What can happen is 0:03:39.060 --> 0:03:43.100 the judge can declare a mistrial. He can say, all right, 0:03:43.140 --> 0:03:46.740 the jury is hopelessly deadlocked. They're not going to be 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.580 able to agree on a verdict. I am declaring a 0:03:49.660 --> 0:03:55.230 mistrial and we will meet to discuss next steps, uh, 0:03:56.250 --> 0:03:59.390 Then the ball is essentially in the Commonwealth's court in 0:03:59.450 --> 0:04:04.190 the jurisdiction in which this case takes place to determine 0:04:04.230 --> 0:04:06.250 whether or not there is going to be a retrial. 0:04:06.350 --> 0:04:10.180 It basically just stretches out the procedure. But what happened 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:15.580 today is the judge basically lit a fire under the 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:20.099 jury and said, look, There is no indication any other 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.900 jury would have a better job or do a better 0:04:22.940 --> 0:04:26.560 job of coming to a unanimous verdict than you are. 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.900 So he gives what's known in federal law, at least, 0:04:30.140 --> 0:04:34.620 as an Allen charge. When a jury says we're deadlocked, 0:04:34.740 --> 0:04:38.729 we can't come to a decision, the judge says, all right, 0:04:39.290 --> 0:04:44.430 try again. Re-examine the evidence. Try to reach a unanimous verdict. 0:04:44.610 --> 0:04:49.490 This is also known as a dynamite charge. It's meant 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.910 to blow up a deadlock, get it? Dynamite charge. Sometimes 0:04:52.990 --> 0:04:56.590 it's called a hammer charge, something like that. It dates 0:04:56.650 --> 0:04:58.890 all the way back to the 1800s, a case called 0:04:58.910 --> 0:05:01.990 Allen v. United States, which sets some parameters that are 0:05:02.010 --> 0:05:05.510 still used today for how juries can be instructed. Because 0:05:05.550 --> 0:05:08.110 believe it or not, one of the most significant parts 0:05:08.310 --> 0:05:11.290 of a trial, one of the parts that lawyers will 0:05:11.470 --> 0:05:15.589 argue over endlessly if they're allowed to, is the actual 0:05:15.650 --> 0:05:19.240 instructions given to a jury by a judge. Why is that? 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:24.210 Why are jury instructions in almost every jurisdiction and federal 0:05:24.250 --> 0:05:28.950 law pretty much standardized? Because how a judge instructs a 0:05:29.010 --> 0:05:32.400 jury can have more of an impact even than the 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.600 evidence presented at trial because these are laypersons. These are 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:39.810 not attorneys themselves. they're relying on people who are attorneys 0:05:39.950 --> 0:05:42.490 and they're relying especially on the judge that the one 0:05:42.550 --> 0:05:45.070 who has been presiding over the trial the one they 0:05:45.150 --> 0:05:47.790 see as the authority figure the one who is the 0:05:47.850 --> 0:05:51.540 authority figure in that courtroom and presiding over that trial 0:05:52.460 --> 0:05:55.200 they're relying on him or her to know what they're 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.660 talking about a okay if you find this then you 0:05:58.700 --> 0:06:01.380 must come to this work if you find this this 0:06:01.430 --> 0:06:06.690 is especially important when you have lesser included offenses lesser 0:06:06.770 --> 0:06:10.210 charges that the jury can get a guilty verdict on 0:06:10.270 --> 0:06:12.810 it for example like in this case they don't believe 0:06:12.870 --> 0:06:17.050 that it's first-degree murder if instead they believe it's manslaughter 0:06:17.490 --> 0:06:21.950 they can actually come to that conclusion if they are 0:06:22.050 --> 0:06:26.589 convinced beyond reasonable doubt of certain aspects of the evidence 0:06:26.670 --> 0:06:29.880 presented that lead up to it. They don't actually have 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:35.679 Allen charges in many. In fact, I think it's about 50% 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:40.460 of states in this country because oftentimes because the judge 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:45.700 has such an outsized impact on jurors, if a judge says, 0:06:45.940 --> 0:06:50.020 all right, you got to, blast through this deadlock and 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:54.719 we have to have a verdict jurors can feel like 0:06:54.740 --> 0:06:58.960 there is undue pressure on them to change what their 0:06:59.060 --> 0:07:03.790 conscience truly drives them to come to the conclusion if 0:07:03.850 --> 0:07:06.820 it's guilty if it's not guilty the holdouts can be 0:07:06.900 --> 0:07:10.420 put under a tremendous amount of pressure so that they 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:12.840 have to, well, you know what, let's just give in. 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:17.570 Everybody else thinks Lindsey Clancy is guilty. We'd better come 0:07:17.610 --> 0:07:19.810 to the same conclusion, especially if it's an 11 to 0:07:19.810 --> 0:07:24.610 1 and there is one holdout. Many states say, hey, 0:07:24.630 --> 0:07:27.610 wait a second. The judge said, you better figure this out. 0:07:28.290 --> 0:07:31.290 Could get the case to be decided against the defendant 0:07:31.730 --> 0:07:34.410 based not on the evidence, but on the idea that 0:07:34.450 --> 0:07:38.690 the judge might be mad at them. So in Massachusetts, 0:07:39.650 --> 0:07:44.790 there are what is known as Tui Rodriguez instructions or 0:07:44.910 --> 0:07:49.750 Tui Rodriguez charge. This is a version of the Allen charge. 0:07:50.370 --> 0:07:53.870 And it says, hey, do your best to come to 0:07:53.910 --> 0:07:57.850 a conclusion. And that is what Judge Sullivan told these 0:07:57.910 --> 0:07:59.190 jurors about two hours ago. 0:07:59.270 --> 0:08:02.510 In order to bring 12 minds to a unanimous result, 0:08:02.990 --> 0:08:06.930 you must examine the questions submitted to you with candor 0:08:07.430 --> 0:08:10.650 and with proper regard and deference and respect. 0:08:10.510 --> 0:08:11.990 To the opinions of each other. 0:08:12.950 --> 0:08:16.380 You should consider that it is desirable that the case 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.360 be decided and that you have been selected in the 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:23.140 same manner and from the same source from which any 0:08:23.220 --> 0:08:27.620 future jury would be. There is no reason to suppose 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.800 that the case will ever be submitted to 12 persons 0:08:31.300 --> 0:08:37.140 more intelligent, more impartial, or more competent to decide that. 0:08:37.070 --> 0:08:39.910 More or clearer evidence will be produced. 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.760 And with this in mind, it's your duty to decide 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.079 the case if you can do it conscientiously. 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.360 So that's your basic Allen charge. The judge spoke for 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.229 about three minutes, but that's the gist of it. Hey, 0:08:52.770 --> 0:08:56.990 there is no guarantee that another jury could get it right. 0:08:57.770 --> 0:09:01.530 You are just as competent. You are just as qualified. 0:09:02.070 --> 0:09:05.690 as any other random group of 12 people in this state, 0:09:05.790 --> 0:09:09.080 in this Commonwealth, in this jurisdiction, in Plymouth, to be 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:13.059 able to decide this case. And if another 12 people 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.700 are picked, if we have to present months and months 0:09:15.740 --> 0:09:19.760 and months worth of evidence again, it's entirely possible that 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:24.880 we get to this exact same point. So if you can, however, however, 0:09:25.380 --> 0:09:29.530 do not betray your conscience. Do not think that another 0:09:29.670 --> 0:09:34.020 juror's opinion, seeing the same evidence that you did, is 0:09:34.100 --> 0:09:39.140 somehow better or somehow worse than your opinion. But if 0:09:39.220 --> 0:09:42.370 there is something that can get you holdouts to change 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.709 your mind, if you can, in fact, come to a 0:09:45.790 --> 0:09:48.949 unanimous verdict, I would strongly urge you to do so. 0:09:49.010 --> 0:09:52.750 You see how that can be seen as somehow coercive, 0:09:52.890 --> 0:09:57.250 somehow getting inside a juror's head and saying, maybe this 0:09:57.330 --> 0:10:01.709 is why there are some serious constitutional questions about Allen 0:10:01.809 --> 0:10:05.790 charges to the jury. Because if a jury says to 0:10:05.820 --> 0:10:09.640 the judge, we are deadlocked. We have no hope of 0:10:09.860 --> 0:10:13.080 ever reaching a verdict. We are not going to, I'm 0:10:13.100 --> 0:10:15.740 not sure the jury even knows at this point in 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:20.140 the Clancy case that they have that power. If, The 0:10:20.220 --> 0:10:23.140 judge says, I'm going to ask you to come back 0:10:23.179 --> 0:10:27.430 tomorrow morning. They can do that and say, all right. 0:10:27.870 --> 0:10:31.800 They go for an hour. First of all, they can refuse. 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:36.020 They can. It is impossible. shocking how much power juries 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.310 have in our court system which is why no attorney 0:10:39.429 --> 0:10:42.670 ever wants to go to a jury trial you always 0:10:42.710 --> 0:10:45.030 want to get some sound like tiger woods for example 0:10:45.510 --> 0:10:49.420 tiger woods just copped a plea deal to his dui 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.740 case or driving under the influence of pills i don't 0:10:51.780 --> 0:10:53.480 think he was drinking but he was under the influence 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:58.030 of painkillers and he reached a plea deal today Nobody 0:10:58.050 --> 0:10:59.929 wants to put their fate in the hands of a 0:10:59.950 --> 0:11:02.140 jury because you just don't know what's going to happen. 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:05.870 You could have jury nullification, most famous. form of that. 0:11:05.929 --> 0:11:08.450 The most famous example of that was more than 30 0:11:08.450 --> 0:11:11.120 years ago now in the O.J. Simpson case, where the 0:11:11.270 --> 0:11:15.120 jurors clearly heard all of the evidence, considered the evidence, 0:11:15.179 --> 0:11:18.979 and said, well, this one cop who found the glove 0:11:19.340 --> 0:11:23.760 once said the N-word, so that's going to invalidate everything. 0:11:23.780 --> 0:11:27.309 And the jurors actually later admitted that this was just 0:11:27.910 --> 0:11:31.270 as much about racial justice as it was about actual justice, 0:11:31.330 --> 0:11:35.079 which should have been the single most horrifying thing this 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.480 country ever heard with respect to the criminal justice system, 0:11:38.500 --> 0:11:42.689 that we're going to let a double murderer walk free 0:11:43.130 --> 0:11:46.829 because we're still ticked off about the Rodney King beating 0:11:46.990 --> 0:11:50.689 two years, three years earlier. But juries do have the 0:11:50.730 --> 0:11:54.340 power to do that. There's nothing– Judge Lance Ito couldn't 0:11:54.500 --> 0:11:57.959 overrule the jury and say, well, you people are freaking morons. 0:11:57.980 --> 0:12:01.959 You deliberated for 45 minutes after hearing six months' worth 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:07.450 of evidence. He could not overrule them. The jury's say 0:12:07.510 --> 0:12:10.370 is final. If the jury said, no, judge, we're not 0:12:10.429 --> 0:12:13.809 going to come back tomorrow, we cannot come to a decision, 0:12:13.850 --> 0:12:18.710 we're hopelessly deadlocked, this case is essentially over. It would 0:12:18.750 --> 0:12:21.089 be over and the judge would have no question. He 0:12:21.110 --> 0:12:25.350 would have no choice but to declare a mistrial. All right. 0:12:26.150 --> 0:12:28.240 Does that kind of explain where things are? See, what 0:12:28.250 --> 0:12:30.660 I'm trying to do with the Lindsay Clancy case is 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:34.280 instead of doing the same tired talking points to try 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.660 to get you a little bit more informed about what 0:12:37.860 --> 0:12:40.099 actually is going on here with the jury. And the jury, 0:12:40.140 --> 0:12:42.580 I think, is doing its due diligence because this is 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.520 a very difficult question. about whether at the time of 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:50.750 this triple murder, Lindsay Clancy was in fact unable to 0:12:50.950 --> 0:12:54.770 appreciate the gravity of her consequences, unable to determine the 0:12:55.190 --> 0:12:58.689 difference between right and wrong, unable to comport her behavior 0:12:59.250 --> 0:13:05.070 with the law, with standard community standards about morality and 0:13:05.090 --> 0:13:07.510 that sort of thing. It's not, yeah, okay, she's nuts. 0:13:07.550 --> 0:13:10.360 She went crazy and killed her three children. She's a 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:16.050 homicidal maniac. Yes, okay, great. Did she have the ability 0:13:16.530 --> 0:13:19.970 to discern between right and wrong when she was killing 0:13:19.990 --> 0:13:22.150 those kids? That's the only question that matters. It's a very, 0:13:22.190 --> 0:13:28.880 very difficult question in this case. I, after examining all 0:13:28.890 --> 0:13:32.940 of the evidence, as I said yesterday, insomnia has served 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.740 me well in learning about this case because I stayed 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.280 up a couple of nights and just read a whole 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:40.760 lot of transcripts and briefs in this case. And wow, 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.390 this evidence really does suggest that she was doctor shopping, 0:13:44.429 --> 0:13:47.429 that she was trying to get a specific diagnosis, that 0:13:47.470 --> 0:13:51.070 she was actually planning to murder these kids, or she 0:13:51.110 --> 0:13:54.430 was planning to do something dramatic and was trying desperately 0:13:55.090 --> 0:13:58.340 to provide a mental health cover. She was looking, I think, 0:13:58.390 --> 0:14:01.670 for a diagnosis of postpartum psychosis and didn't get it. 0:14:01.700 --> 0:14:04.900 The fact, to me, that is most dispositive in this case, 0:14:05.540 --> 0:14:08.940 that she heard a voice, she said, telling her to 0:14:09.100 --> 0:14:15.240 kill the kids. That voice... only manifested at the time 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.939 she was killing the kids, in the 18 minutes that 0:14:18.020 --> 0:14:20.240 she was engaged in a triple murder. That was the 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.620 only time. She didn't hear any voices. She didn't hear 0:14:23.700 --> 0:14:27.510 any commands before the murders, before she sent her husband out. 0:14:28.970 --> 0:14:33.410 And she didn't hear any after. That is very bizarre. 0:14:33.570 --> 0:14:37.430 Not unheard of, but very bizarre. And points to someone 0:14:37.470 --> 0:14:41.230 who is making this up after the fact. All right, 0:14:41.270 --> 0:14:44.440 that is not all that went on at the Lindsay 0:14:44.580 --> 0:14:46.820 Clancy case, but we'll get to the rest of it 0:14:46.860 --> 0:14:49.640 in the unhinged liberal of the day coming up later 0:14:49.660 --> 0:14:52.560 this hour when we come back from this commercial break. 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.680 First day of school at UW-Whitewater didn't quite go according 0:14:56.730 --> 0:14:59.890 to plan. Second day of school at Milwaukee Public Schools 0:15:00.310 --> 0:15:03.430 didn't happen at all. That's why we're providing a little 0:15:03.450 --> 0:15:07.770 bit different analysis than what you might be used to 0:15:07.790 --> 0:15:13.090 if you're just scrolling through TikTok on the Lindsay Clancy case. 0:15:14.890 --> 0:15:17.910 We will, of course, continue to discuss this. My very 0:15:18.010 --> 0:15:21.190 strong suspicion now, folks, I know I told you after 0:15:21.710 --> 0:15:25.310 the initial hung jury yesterday or after the initial note 0:15:25.350 --> 0:15:27.830 from the jury saying, hey, we are deadlocked. We don't 0:15:27.870 --> 0:15:29.970 think we're going to be able to come to a conclusion. 0:15:30.010 --> 0:15:34.640 I said, what happens generally is the jurors will get 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.720 together and say, okay, how many holdouts do we have? 0:15:38.780 --> 0:15:42.390 Can we hammer through this? A lot of times there 0:15:42.530 --> 0:15:46.550 is a verdict immediately afterwards because one of them just 0:15:46.650 --> 0:15:49.670 sort of caves. If there's one holdout, this suggests to 0:15:49.750 --> 0:15:54.940 me that there are multiple notes after a second day 0:15:54.980 --> 0:15:59.040 of deliberations. The jury is saying we're still deadlocked. We 0:15:59.060 --> 0:16:03.870 still can't figure this out. It would not surprise me. 0:16:04.110 --> 0:16:06.070 It would not surprise me if they say it for 0:16:06.110 --> 0:16:09.230 a third straight day. And then finally, the judge says, 0:16:09.390 --> 0:16:12.600 all right, I really have no choice here. I've done 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:18.460 my Allen charge or in Massachusetts, Tui Rodriguez charge. I 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.580 sort of lit a fire under him. We've tried to 0:16:20.620 --> 0:16:25.360 break the deadlock. It's not happening. Hung jury, mistrial, back 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.840 to square one, essentially. And then we get to have 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:34.720 this insane debate. over how women are reacting to the 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:39.180 Clancy case, which I will admit is truly unhinged. Speaking 0:16:39.220 --> 0:16:42.880 of which, the unhinged liberal of the day, and yes, 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.470 the nut who was arrested at the Lindsay Clancy trial 0:16:46.530 --> 0:16:49.750 does appear to be a liberal. That's coming up later 0:16:49.770 --> 0:16:58.150 this hour. UW-Whitewater today issued a shelter-in-place order. It calls 0:16:58.170 --> 0:17:04.140 a An active threat to life safety alert. At about 0:17:04.140 --> 0:17:08.600 10 after 11 this morning, there was a message sent 0:17:08.740 --> 0:17:11.980 to all students. And in all buildings, there was an 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:16.139 alarm that sounded with a voice saying there is an 0:17:16.369 --> 0:17:20.850 active threat to life safety. Please shelter in place. This 0:17:20.950 --> 0:17:24.750 is not a drill. went one of the text university 0:17:24.810 --> 0:17:28.889 police asked the whitewater campus to remain sheltered in place 0:17:28.950 --> 0:17:32.010 until told otherwise couple of minutes after that there was 0:17:32.090 --> 0:17:36.190 another update there is an active threat to life safety 0:17:36.390 --> 0:17:42.090 on the whitewater campus all caps run hide fight are 0:17:42.190 --> 0:17:46.580 that's pretty terrifying especially since today was the first day 0:17:46.630 --> 0:17:51.210 of class Well, alarms sounded across the campus for about 0:17:51.230 --> 0:17:57.280 a half hour while UW-Whitewater police and multiple jurisdictions all investigated. 0:17:58.140 --> 0:18:01.300 Turns out it was a false alarm. This was the 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:06.680 statement sent by Chancellor Corey A. King and UW-Whitewater Chief 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:11.969 of Police Matthew Keterlin today. Per our safety protocols, we 0:18:12.010 --> 0:18:15.970 initiated our emergency communication system until police gave the all clear. 0:18:17.090 --> 0:18:21.070 It was reported to UW-Whitewater police that an individual walked 0:18:21.250 --> 0:18:24.930 into Anderson Hall with what people believed was a weapon 0:18:25.550 --> 0:18:30.610 and was yelling. The individual left the office without incident. 0:18:34.410 --> 0:18:40.979 So for about 27 minutes, the UW-Whitewater community was terrified 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:44.440 that I was getting texts from parents who just sent 0:18:44.550 --> 0:18:49.570 their kids to Whitewater a couple of days ago as freshmen. Hey, Dan, 0:18:49.609 --> 0:18:52.450 what's going on? Is there an active shooting? I said, sure, 0:18:52.570 --> 0:18:56.570 sounds like it. 11.37 a.m., the school texted students, there 0:18:56.650 --> 0:18:58.929 is no threat to life safety. Police have confirmed there 0:18:58.970 --> 0:19:01.030 was no threat to life safety earlier today when the 0:19:01.090 --> 0:19:04.649 alert system was activated. We will share more information as 0:19:04.770 --> 0:19:10.280 soon as we are able. Then we waited for about 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.790 an hour and a half until the statement from the 0:19:13.830 --> 0:19:16.949 chancellor and chief of police. We are grateful for all 0:19:16.990 --> 0:19:19.669 who responded to today's incident and work to ensure the 0:19:19.710 --> 0:19:22.359 safety of everyone on the Whitewater campus. While we are 0:19:22.420 --> 0:19:25.660 relieved there was no active threat, we understand how deeply 0:19:25.859 --> 0:19:30.040 unsettling these situations could be for our university community, especially 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.250 on the first day of classes. So they are now 0:19:33.450 --> 0:19:38.230 offering counselors to help with the trauma of the half 0:19:38.270 --> 0:19:45.940 hour of terror. That apparently they caused by thinking there 0:19:45.980 --> 0:19:48.909 was an active shoot because what some guy looked weird. 0:19:50.950 --> 0:19:53.390 It was a weird looking guy and he was, so was, 0:19:53.580 --> 0:19:56.679 was he yelling? Did he have a weapon? What was 0:19:56.720 --> 0:20:00.920 going on here? Was it just your standard issue? First 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:06.440 day freak out. That said, you cannot take any chances 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.490 with this sort of thing. you do have to take 0:20:09.650 --> 0:20:14.470 proper precautions just in case there's an active shooter. But 0:20:15.170 --> 0:20:19.950 we went real quick from weird dude yelling and he 0:20:20.050 --> 0:20:25.860 may have a gun to everything is okay. The problem 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:31.160 with that is sort of like with the, I think, 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:35.980 increased frequency of the use of the emergency alert system 0:20:36.060 --> 0:20:41.179 for severe weather. It's the chicken little phenomenon, right? The 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:46.000 sky is falling. If enough warnings are given that the 0:20:46.060 --> 0:20:50.480 sky is falling, when it actually does fall, people kind 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:53.560 of silence their phones. Maybe they don't go in the basement. 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:58.159 Maybe they don't. I'm not saying that when there is 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:01.590 a report of– and I'm also, also, just so we're clear, 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:05.670 not discounting the possibility that this was a swatting incident. 0:21:06.340 --> 0:21:09.620 that this was somebody who called on the for that 0:21:09.660 --> 0:21:14.120 was actually my first inclination when it was report okay 0:21:14.140 --> 0:21:16.330 there was no actual status oh well it's the first 0:21:16.350 --> 0:21:19.350 day of school someone as a prank or someone as 0:21:19.369 --> 0:21:22.030 with this by the way is not a prank and 0:21:22.130 --> 0:21:26.389 you should be absolutely prosecuted to the fullest extent of 0:21:26.410 --> 0:21:29.310 the law i think you should have prison time for 0:21:29.390 --> 0:21:32.250 making false reports that said that for those who don't 0:21:32.270 --> 0:21:37.560 know what's watching is It's when– this for years was 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:41.240 a common thing, and I mean real common thing on 0:21:41.260 --> 0:21:44.640 the political left. Every couple of months, you would hear 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.899 a prominent conservative say, yeah, the SWAT team was at 0:21:47.980 --> 0:21:52.780 my house because someone said that we were being held 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:58.230 at gunpoint. Usually what happens, the call is someone help, 0:21:58.350 --> 0:22:02.480 I'm inside this house now. and they're holding us captive 0:22:02.820 --> 0:22:06.430 or help. I just saw somebody rush into this house 0:22:06.450 --> 0:22:09.990 with a gun. It's designed to send the SWAT team 0:22:10.210 --> 0:22:14.110 in guns blazing and terrify whoever it is. I believe 0:22:14.150 --> 0:22:17.520 that SWATing should be punished by like a mandatory prison 0:22:17.540 --> 0:22:21.540 sentence because it is dangerous for law enforcement officers. It's 0:22:21.700 --> 0:22:24.960 dangerous for the targets of SWATing. It's dangerous for just 0:22:25.020 --> 0:22:30.330 innocent bystanders. It's an incredible waste of law enforcement resources 0:22:31.010 --> 0:22:34.109 and for some jackass to be cackling his head off. 0:22:34.170 --> 0:22:35.990 I'm not saying that's what happened here, but that was 0:22:36.010 --> 0:22:38.590 my first thought. I'm not discounting that possibility. The other 0:22:38.630 --> 0:22:43.900 possibility is are we really not verifying these tips too 0:22:44.180 --> 0:22:49.460 closely before we're– so an unverified report of some dude 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:51.500 who might or might not have had a gun, looked 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:56.359 creepy and was yelling– That triggers a campus-wide lockdown and 0:22:56.520 --> 0:23:02.800 terrifies the entire Whitewater community? Not a great look on 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:07.400 the first day of class. But again, until we get 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:13.010 a full accounting of what exactly happened, how exactly the 0:23:13.150 --> 0:23:17.840 Whitewater police and campus community got it so wrong, We 0:23:17.900 --> 0:23:21.940 just won't know. All right. Did Milwaukee Public Schools get 0:23:22.020 --> 0:23:26.340 it wrong when it canceled classes on the second day 0:23:26.500 --> 0:23:29.480 of school? Folks, I had to run some errands today. 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:34.110 I was outside. I was at the gas station and 0:23:34.369 --> 0:23:36.430 a woman who happened to be at the pump next 0:23:36.450 --> 0:23:39.210 to me just totally unprompted. So we kind of made 0:23:39.230 --> 0:23:41.810 eye contact and she's, you know, going to her cushion. Man, 0:23:41.850 --> 0:23:46.570 it's hotter than hell out here. Yes, it certainly is. 0:23:48.350 --> 0:23:50.300 And she told me she didn't want to go out, 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:53.720 but her 80-year-old mother wanted to go out and run errands. 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:55.639 And I said, well, you got to get mom out 0:23:55.660 --> 0:23:59.480 of the house. I can confirm. It was hot. It 0:23:59.540 --> 0:24:03.540 was humid. It was real uncomfortable. I would not want 0:24:03.580 --> 0:24:07.429 to sit in a building without air conditioning. Was it 0:24:07.690 --> 0:24:11.469 so dangerous that kids couldn't be in school? 0:24:11.490 --> 0:24:11.550 No. 0:24:12.310 --> 0:24:12.409 No. 0:24:13.350 --> 0:24:17.190 But the better question is, why is it that only 0:24:17.290 --> 0:24:22.460 about half of MPS's buildings have air conditioning? Because you 0:24:22.500 --> 0:24:27.040 won't believe how much money Milwaukee Public Schools has gotten 0:24:27.180 --> 0:24:29.439 just in the last couple of years. We'll discuss when 0:24:29.470 --> 0:24:33.590 the Dan O'Donnell Show returns. of our big exclusive stories 0:24:33.609 --> 0:24:39.460 a democrat congressional candidate says health care for thee but 0:24:39.540 --> 0:24:43.119 not for me well yes health care for me clearly 0:24:43.460 --> 0:24:48.950 just not my campaign staff this is just so so 0:24:49.550 --> 0:24:51.960 typical We are going to push that to the top 0:24:52.100 --> 0:24:55.480 of the four o'clock hour just after our daily Trump date. 0:24:55.540 --> 0:25:00.859 President Trump meeting with representatives from the travel community to 0:25:00.940 --> 0:25:05.080 celebrate another successful summer, buoyed, of course, by one of the, 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:09.280 if not the, best World Cups in the history of 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:15.080 that tournament. Just a huge success to celebrate America's 250th birthday. 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:17.760 That coming up in the four o'clock hour here on 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:23.910 the Dan O'Donnell Show. Now, Milwaukee Public Schools announced yesterday, 0:25:24.630 --> 0:25:28.450 the first day of school, that today, the second day 0:25:28.510 --> 0:25:32.990 of school, classes would be canceled. We got the breaking 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:36.080 news alert right before the 5 o'clock hour yesterday. I 0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:39.419 had to read it twice because I wasn't sure it 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.940 was real. I thought, there's no way. They're canceling for 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:49.430 extreme heat. when the heat isn't going to be that extreme. 0:25:49.710 --> 0:25:55.040 MPS policy says that when the heat index is above 95, 0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:57.419 they're going to have to close. Well, the heat index 0:25:57.580 --> 0:26:05.600 clearly topped 100 two days ago, but today it didn't 0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:12.730 top 95. Now, can you accurately predict to a degree 0:26:13.430 --> 0:26:16.520 what a temperature or heat index is going to be. No, 0:26:16.670 --> 0:26:19.340 of course you can't a day before it happens, but 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.800 somehow we can tell you exactly what the average global 0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:25.960 temperature is going to be a hundred years from now 0:26:26.060 --> 0:26:30.820 due to climate change. Figure out that paradox for me. 0:26:31.140 --> 0:26:36.180