WEBVTT - 2-18-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.720 Do you want to be an American? Plon me back 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:05.400 on seven hundred. W welw. 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:08.079 I don't have to tell you about care costs, and 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:13.760 justin like since two thousand, they the number there has tripled. 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:15.520 In most cases, we're tied. 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.599 I'm just talking about healthcare, but pharmaceuticals and everything, and 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:21.480 we know what's kind of driving that. Congress is allegedly 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:25.040 addressing it and trying to make things more affordable. I 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.120 don't know how that's going to work with the HSAS. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:29.440 It's a big question. And we've talked to a lot 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:31.880 of people at the receiving end, patients like me and you, 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:37.120 healthcare providers, doctors, nurses, et cetera. Very well, very rarely 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:38.919 we get a chance to talk to somebody on the inside, 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:40.040 and we do today. 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:40.879 It's Beth Kaiser. 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.200 She's the West region president for Anthem, Blue Cross, Blue Shield, 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:45.840 joining the show. Good morning, How are you, Beth? 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:48.120 Good morning Scott. It's nice to be with you there 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:48.760 in Ohio. 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.240 When you think about the most hated institutions in America, 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.600 you know, even above maybe politicians and trial ors, certainly 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.720 the healthcare professionals like yourself come to mind. We saw 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:03.600 the assassination of healthcare CEO. And additionally, there are constant, 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:08.039 NonStop stories about people who pay their premiums and yet 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:11.000 they're denied coverage even when it's life saving. And you know, 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:12.960 someone in the media or online gets involved and you 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.880 guys reverse your policy and it's a black eye and 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.320 it feels like it's coming at you every single day. 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.919 How are you guys responding to and feeling this pressure? 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:25.640 Beth, I would say that all stakeholders are filling pressure 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:29.000 now too. Have you know, the affordability of health care 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.720 be an issue and so you know what we say 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.120 at Anthem is Anthem Blue Cross, Blue Shield, is that 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:38.920 unaffordable healthcare is inaccessible healthcare. So it's a critical time 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:39.560 for us. 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:42.960 What is the latest affordability to numbers that you guys 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.920 do internally show? And how do our auto pocket increases 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:50.880 in Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana compared to other states outside 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:51.360 the Midwest. 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.800 Gosh, and you know some people follow the rand study 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.080 from years ago, but certainly shows that there's plenty of 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.440 work for both of our states to do. But just 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.480 to give you some facts, the US healthcare spending grew 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.840 seven and a half percent in twenty twenty three, reaching 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.440 nearly four point nine trillion, and as you know, that's 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:13.400 continued to escalate. Prescription drugs spending alone increase more than 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:17.080 eleven percent last year. So these trends are putting significant 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.800 strains own individuals, employers, and government programs. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.440 And we also, let's face this demographic demographic issue. As 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:26.880 baby boomers get older and older, they're going to use more, 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.079 need more care, and there are a few people at 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.720 the end to pay for that, and so it overwhelms 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.160 the system. And then you factor in people who need assistance, 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:35.400 and it it's even worse. 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:38.240 This is true. 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.919 So that's one of the reasons addressing people's health from 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.240 a holistic standpoint, looking at whole health is so important. 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:48.919 Yeah, and that's part of the Republican plan. But I 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.520 don't dismiss that because we all have a stake in 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:53.480 our health. But I mean, let's face it, if the 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:55.560 healthcare plan is, hey, take better care of yourself and 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.160 your incentives to do so, that that's fine. But so 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.919 many people, and it seems seemingly there's a story every 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.519 day about someone who's you know, the drug cost for 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.640 something for their kid or a loved one is so 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:08.760 exorbitant they have to file for bankruptcy. 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:10.280 That shouldn't be happening, but it is. 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.840 Yeah, And delaying and skipping care can affect people in 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.120 the healthcare system as well. So we have to keep 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.760 it affordable because if those health issues that individuals have 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.200 worsen are they become harder to treat, they certainly become 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.600 more expensive as well. And so that a lot of 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.320 people think, well, that only impacts the individual, but actually 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:32.919 it impacts more than the individual's health outcomes. It puts 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.520 a strain on the broader healthcare system and it drives 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:36.160 up costs for. 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:36.640 All of us. 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:40.760 How do you determine who gets care for some specific 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:42.920 disease lets, I don't know. It might be I mentioned 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.480 the horror stories, right that someone who's denied care clearly 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.440 they're sick. It becomes a news story, goes viral, and 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.520 then all of a sudden and maybe not you guys, 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:55.000 but another healthcare insurance make insured, maybe like yourself, and 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.200 others will go ay, okay, well we're going to take 0:03:58.240 --> 0:03:59.720 care of this person because of public pressure in. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.800 The outcome, right, how are those decisions made at the 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:02.520 granular level? 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:10.400 Yeah, I would say many employers, individuals, families are determining 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.400 how do they access healthcare, how do they make it affordable? 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.120 And so we are addressing that by the first looking 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.760 to see the factors that are causing the increase health 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:25.000 care costs, and those factors include an aging population, people 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:29.200 with increased chronic conditions like you mentioned, Scott, escalating drug prices, 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:33.839 provider consolidation, fraud and abuse, as well as ongoing legislative changes. 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.040 And then we're working to address that with the stakeholders 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:38.800 that you mentioned as well. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:44.279 She's Beth Kaiser, she's a president of Blue Cross Blue 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.640 Shields and and Blue Cross Blue Shield West Region president. 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.760 Talking about health care costs and the insurance end of 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.000 this thing. One of the other elements here is hospital consolidation. 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.760 We've seen that accelerate tremendously here in our region, Beth, 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.800 and how does that help with rates? And we also 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.400 worry about rural areas too. We're in Cincinnati, you're out 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.720 in Indye, but there's a lot of country between us 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.200 and you and across both of these states as well 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.359 as Kentucky where rural hospitals and clinics are closing it 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:14.080 record amounts. 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:18.600 How do we address that, yeah, and unfortunately, you know 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:20.560 a lot of people think just what you mentioned that 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.760 when healthcare providers going together, it may be lower costs, 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:27.000 but often it means that patients have fewer choices and 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.920 the prices actually go up. So what we're doing at 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.560 ANT and Blue Cross Blue Shield to address those challenges 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.720 is we're prioritizing strategies that protect affordability and enhance the 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.360 value for our members. And the way we're doing that 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.840 is we're creating benefits and contracts with our provider partners 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:46.400 that give people access to mini quality providers, and at 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.119 the same time, we're helping focus on the think using 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.200 AI and data to make sure that we're cutting waste 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:56.480 and avoiding unnecessary treatment, which also helps keep costs down. 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:01.440 But when I speak specifically to waste and fraud and waste, 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.200 there's things that now with AI as well as that 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.560 we're allowed through billing to look at for unusual charges 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.440 that may have occurred in the system, such as phantom 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.320 billing where they're built for a service that didn't occur, 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:18.200 double billing where they're bill twice, and then upcoding where 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.280 they're charged for a service at a higher rate than 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:21.160 what was provided. 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:24.479 One of the things you hear from government on this 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.560 Beth is waste frawed abuse, waste fraud abuse constantly. But 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:29.960 you know, I always contended that if you're a business 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.240 like you are, and you're in the business of providing healthcare, 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.120 but you have to be profitable, uh in you you 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:36.960 probably do a better job than anyone as far as 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:40.800 that and making sure that those people who are using 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:44.000 the care, or vendors particularly are getting what they deserve, 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:45.400 but not more or less. 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:48.360 We do. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.719 It's important though, I mean, you know, we want to 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:54.080 make sure we're looking at individuals and members in their 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:58.480 whole health, so helping them remain healthy longer in life 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.200 and helping them have a tool and the support they need. 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:03.880 Where in the past we were much you know, we 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:05.800 were known, how plans were know more for you know, 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:09.400 just managing the quality, the costs and administration of billing. 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.800 We feel at Anton Blue Cross we shield that we 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:13.040 have a larger role to play. 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.160 Let's segue to pharmacy benefits. That's a big one. PDM's right. 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.960 Pharmacy benefit managers not quite sure what they do, but 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.400 they drive the cost up. That is the constant cry. 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.640 I guess that you probably hear. What percentage of premium 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:30.040 increases can you attribute to prescription drug costs and specifically, 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:30.240 how do. 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:30.760 You address that? 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:36.320 Yeah, I mentioned just a minute ago that the prescription 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.240 drug spending alone has increased more than eleven percent from 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:43.360 last year. But what specifically We've been focused on negotiating 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.800 lower costs around specialty pharmacy as well. That's an important 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:52.560 area for us, and our responsibility is to negotiate lower price. 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.640 You know that's the model, but seemingly prices continue to 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:58.400 spiral upward. 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:00.200 Where's that coming from? 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:03.560 Yeah, I would just say that, I mean, we all 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.320 want we all want access to the best and to 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.120 the latest, and we want to make sure we give 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:12.720 our members access. So we feel like as we negotiate 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:16.240 for better drug costs, especially around the specialty costs, that 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:17.640 we can bring those costs down. 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.160 I've had this happen personal experience, family experience with this 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.960 to where there's times where insurance and we're Anthem Blue 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.880 Crossbow Shield where we work here at iHeart and have 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.960 very good coverage. I can't complain. Some people, obviously you 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.520 don't have that, maybe your experience varies, but pay a 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:35.760 fair amount of money for that. Absolutely. When it comes 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.319 to the pharmacy, though, I've noticed at times where we'll 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.440 go in and say, okay, here's your prescription. Well how 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.280 much do I pay out of pocket? And it's less? 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.120 Or if I use something like good orax with it, 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.400 which is like a discount. Why would that occur if 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.920 indeed we're negotiating the lowest prices? Why do Why are 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.199 some medicines cheaper if you get them out of pocket 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:55.040 or use a discount. 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.520 Yeah, I think that it depends upon the individual. So 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:01.480 in your I mean, this is the reason it's so 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.800 important for us to be talking about affordability because without 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:09.320 I mean, the individual's portion of being engaged and involved 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.800 in their health and understanding what tools, what discounts, what 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.280 their benefit structure looks like, helps them to be a 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:20.000 more empowered member and to your point, be aware of 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:21.360 costly option. 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:21.960 Yeah. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.200 We're talking to Beth Guiser this morning on the Scots 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.960 Loan Show seven hundred wol she's a regional president for 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.640 Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield talking to Ensure about what 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.560 can be done about high costs and always, almost always 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.040 we blame the insurance companies, but there's a lot driving 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:38.840 that as well, and we're kind of getting into this 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:40.480 morning here on the show in a limited time that 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.840 we have. One of the other questions too, is surprise 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.719 medical billing. You know, Trump in his first term said hey, 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:48.480 we know we're going to disclose prices. You're going to 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.719 know what you're get coming in and still most of 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.160 those metrics have not been hit. That is a huge 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.240 complaint before federal legislation, and we've had a you know, 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.160 the President doing that and moving even more I think 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.520 in this term to do that. But we're sti getting 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:04.360 unexpected bills and costs despite the reforms. Why does that 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:05.239 remain problematic? 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:07.600 Yeah? 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:09.559 I would just say, first, we fully support the No 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.640 Surprises Act because the intention was for it to protect 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:17.480 patients from receiving surprise to healthcare bills. But as you mentioned, Scott, 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.439 there have been some issues, some unintended consequences, some fraudulent 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:25.360 behavior that have unintentionally raised those costs. And so we're 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.240 committed at ANS and Blue Crossley Shield to fixing the 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.640 No Surprises Act, and in twenty twenty six we'll introduce 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:35.559 the policy with hospitalists or curb out of network specialists 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:39.880 billing through in network facilities and so this will aid 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:43.520 those specialists in wanting to join our networks, which will 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:47.960 lower patient costs and whole facilities accountable for repeated non 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:51.000 emergency use of out of network and so that will 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:55.240 drive down healthcare costs personally. So you can't do that, 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:59.920 Scott though, without thoughtful collaboration with our hospitals and our providers, 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.360 right right, that's the key path to our affordability. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.400 Well, you have the collaboration, and I know there's price 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.400 transparency tools out there and they're required, but the data, 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.400 and maybe it's because it's new, few consumers use them effectively. 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.200 Are they confusing? And you know what's driving that? Are 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.240 more people adopting it or just simply they don't know. 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:21.480 We're seeing adoption, least specifically with our Sydney app. We're 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:25.600 seeing great adoption because because of the unaffordability, many members 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.199 are wanting to understand their benefit options. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.880 I brought this up before and I would love your 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.040 unvarnished point of view on this this. You know, I 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:35.400 go to my do we go to our doctor. You 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.160 look in there, Okay, I've got a doctor. Maybe he 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:38.920 has a PA or a nurse or something like that. 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.559 And then you have five five people who just handle 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.079 coating and billing and insurance and medicare and medicaiding and 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.680 all that stuff, and as we know, it drives costs up. 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:48.840 I always use the parallel to you know, you bring 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:53.040 your dog into a vet and you know, canines felines 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.800 use some and sometimes the same medicine or overlapping menage, 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:58.120 and you look at that and go, Okay, that's pretty 0:11:58.120 --> 0:11:59.560 affordable my dog, cat or whatever. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:00.520 It comes to me. 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.000 There's paperwork, there's bills that come for the next six, seven, 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:05.800 eight months, and you forget what they're for, and it's 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:09.120 this whole mess. If we simply took the edict and 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.439 made it an edict for employers in America, Listen, you're 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.880 no longer in the business of providing health insurance. Can 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:15.680 offer health insurance you got buy in the free market. 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.160 Is that better for you guys? Is it better for 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:18.640 the patient? 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.600 I mean, I believe that the reason that we want 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.920 to make sure people remain covered is because if it 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:31.439 becomes unaffordable for individuals. In some cases, many people are 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.960 very reliant on their employer to help subsidize their healthcare calls. 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:40.079 And again, as I mentioned earlier, if unaffordable healthcare will 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.080 become inaccessible health care. So it's important that they get 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.800 the resources they need. And I think to your point 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.920 on data, and I mean, how we need to become 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:53.000 more efficient and effective with the way we work in healthcare. 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.240 That's a job for all of us. And we're doing 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.920 our part at Anton Blue Cross Blue Shield by adopting AI, 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:03.920 by adopting new data technologies, and providing coordination with our 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:08.040 provider partners so that we have access to the whole view, 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.760 to the whole health view of you, Scott, so that 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.880 we can see your health holistically and that we can 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.240 help aid in keeping you healthier longer. 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:16.719 Right. 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.720 But I guess the question is more about compliance and 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.839 things like you You still have to obviously address compliance issues, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.079 but it seems there's a lot of things elements involved, 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.960 particularly the government in our healthcare. Why can't I just 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.840 buy a plan directly from you and like minded people 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:32.319 do that. I think we'd save enough money in the 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:33.640 long run to be able to take care of the 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.520 indigen and the people who really need it. Looking ahead 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.320 five years, what do you and it's just going to 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:39.920 continue to get worse. I mean, we're going to start 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.319 to see things level off or is it just simply 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.439 a matter of demographics that I started with, where you're 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.600 going to see baby boomers as they age out and 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.880 eventually pass, we have a younger generation coming in replacing 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.560 them as old folks, and so it goes. Is it 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:55.880 simply just a numbers game that way, or is it 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.199 going to level out in the next five or ten years. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.720 Well, my optimistic to use Scott is that we're going 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.280 to work together the stakeholders. They appreciate how urgent this is. 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:10.920 Individuals understand that they certainly can access individual plans, but 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:14.760 many again are reliant on the benefits and the subsidies 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.600 that they have in place today. So we've got to 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.360 make sure. You know, it's a delicate issue, right, But 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.680 what I would say as a society, and what I'm 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:24.840 hoping that in the next few years that will come 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:29.400 together as stakeholders, is making the healthy choice, the easy choice, 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:33.200 and allowing individuals to have more control over their health 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:34.400 and their health care costs. 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.080 Yeah, but that doesn't mean prices are going on. 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.560 That's the biggest concern, and you know, we're probably pretty 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.480 bad about that ourselves, and you know, you led with 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:44.000 and it's a good point. If we took better care 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.800 of ourselves eight better, you know, exercise and all that stuff, 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:49.840 then we need less health care. It makes it less 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:52.680 expensive for everyone. But we don't do that. But it's 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.960 not like we're alone. Other countries have the same problem. 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.800 And yet here in America our health care costs are 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.800 out of control. Administrative costs the US are substantially higher 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.760 in other countries. What percentage of premium dollars goes to 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.400 administration versus actual. 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:10.040 Care, you know, that would be dependent upon the situation. 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.400 But I'm not sure Scott, if you're aware that the 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:18.200 majority of employers are self insured. So and specifically in 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.920 the states. I'm in Indiana next to you, ninety percent 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.720 of our employers are self insured. So what that means 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.080 is they're paying directly for the cost of a procedure, 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.920 and that there's a small admin fee that goes on that. 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.520 And as you know, health plans are regulated and the 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:36.200 cost that we can charge for that is regulated by 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:36.720 our government. 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.360 Yeah, and that all factors into the cost as well, 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.240 because the regulation adds a little bit more overhead in that. 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.040 I guess that's the initial point. As it seems there's 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:45.280 a lot a lot of hands in the cookie there. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:46.560 There's a lot of money to be had here, but 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.520 at the end, consumers suffer and some people are not 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.640 making the decision to go without healthcare, especially during these 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.720 times where we talk about the ACA and all that 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.640 being in jeopardy. Beth Kaizier, West Region President for Anthem 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.960 Blue cross Bow Shield out of Indianapolis, Thanks again for 0:15:59.920 --> 0:16:01.080 the time, Beth, appreciate it. 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:04.840 Thank you so much, Scott, and I would encourage individuals 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.680 that are interested in this topic to go to our website. 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:14.480 It's www dot Anthem dot com. Forward slash Affordability in Ohio. 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:16.640 Thank you Scott so much for the conversation. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.880 Thank you, Beth. And uh yeah, well Gutsia. 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.280 It takes a lot to come on a see out 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.240 of a healthcare company or at least a regional president. Anyways, 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.960 the case may be is understand it wasn't that many 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:30.920 years ago and you kind of didn't really have an 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.280 opinion about it. Now, if you look at the hate 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:37.080 index in America, that group is rising close to the 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:38.760 damn time. We had a lot of people we hate on 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.400 these days, but I can't think of a group, a 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:44.640 private group, maybe more so than healthcare CEOs for Sure 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.120 News is on the way in just minutes. A fine 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.800 recap coming up of last night's vestivity in order to 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:54.040 Kentucky Convention Center for Martographer Homeless Chisle Slow today because 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.000 we were partying until about ten o'clock last night. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:57.240 Scott flown show seven hundred. 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:05.479 There we go slonely seven hundred wolw on this Wednesday morning. 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:07.879 Thank you were probably you've probably an here, I know what. 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.680 I'm thanking you for it because you're sleeping if you're 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.800 Marty Gruff for Homeless Kids, twenty twenty six last night 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:18.280 at the Northern Kentucky Convention Center. But congratulations though, and 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.800 thank you so much for your support on this, and 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.120 that includes people who couldn't make it who still donated 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:28.040 to the cause. And so we will sleep well tonight. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.000 And maybe you're sleeping well on unknowing that we're going 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.359 to provide more than one hundred and fifty thousand meals 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.800 this year for children in need and also support Bethany 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:41.040 House Welcome House in Brighton Center. And last night we 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.640 raised in excessive two hundred and fifty thousand bottles, which 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.280 is an all time high, So it was fantastic We 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.920 had a blast last night on behalf of myself, the King. 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.400 Sheila Gray, my queen from Local twelve OO was great 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.520 hanging with she she for a while, John John with 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:56.920 Kiss one oh seven to one, and Sarah Alice from 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:58.720 the Kid Chris shown of course a snort report she 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.560 will not be here today, she's sleeping it off. And 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.760 the man himself, Tom Brenneman, those two m seeing and 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.920 we had an absolute fantastic time. The restaurants were amazing, 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.320 the food was great, the drinks were great, and of 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.800 course the most important thing raising money for all those charities. 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.520 I will say that, and also thanks to my friends 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:20.600 Melissa Reed and everyone in DV eight one of the 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.440 best cover bands in Cincinnati. Melissa one of the greatest 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.920 vocalists too, I think at Cincinnati as well. So great 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:27.520 to see those guys and hang with those guys for 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.639 a little bit briefly. And you know, two hundred and 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.680 fifty thousand dollars, that's a lot of cash to raise 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.320 in one night. The Joe Burrow Foundation, Jeff Ruby Foundation, 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:39.040 of course, Mercedes Benz of Fort Mitchell and Don Pepperell 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.040 over there doing a great job and supporting the mission 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.679 as well raising just a ton of money. Obviously, I 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:47.200 was watching briefly we had Local twelve was on. I 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.120 caught on the corner and my eye the video from 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:56.320 last night. And I have to apologize to the folks 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.800 at the Northern Kentucky Convention Center who have the task 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:04.200 of having to clean up because it started, as I 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.000 think it was started as a senior prank and now 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.040 it was just completely out of control. Years ago, when 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.800 Mike McConnell was the the aforementioned the artist formerly known 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:15.240 as Mike McConnell was the king of Marty Gras and 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.639 then I took over for him. His bodies had come 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.040 and throw bread. Closterman Baker's always there and they have, 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:25.399 you know, bread like a bread stand, and so his 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.000 body started throwing bread at him and judge because we're 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.680 in this big rolling platform way up above and we're 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.400 throwing beads out to the crowd the Marti Gras Court, 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:37.880 and it was good natured fun, and we started talking 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.760 about this on the show and every year now more 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.600 and more people engage in throwing rolls at and. 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:46.760 So there's this video on twelve. 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.520 It's me and Sheila up there and three Bengal cheer 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.400 a couple Bengal cheerleaders and John John and we are 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:56.399 getting it. Just if you didn't know what it was, 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.560 You're like, what, why are they ducking? What is going on? 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:01.320 I think they having fun, but they look like they're 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.760 under attack. And we are underttack by rolls from Closterman 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.600 and people are just like firing rolls at us left 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:07.960 and right, and we're trying to throw them back to 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.399 the crowd and throw beads and it's complete to bauchery 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.919 and mayhem. But now we have these pockets of I 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:18.439 don't know in cells that are rising up in the crowd. 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:20.639 For the bread is not just where the stand is. 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.720 Now people are taking the bread and going to other 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.600 parts of the convention center to the throw bread. So 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.679 there'll be these pockets of you know, popping up of 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:34.480 people throwing bread at us in the middle of the room. 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:36.080 And it's funny as hell. Some guy, I think I 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:37.639 got a hogy. I think I got like one of 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:39.840 those sub I don't know where it came from. And 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:42.440 now people are bringing their own bread. Apparently this was 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.480 left over from a Super Bowl party. You know those 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.880 giant subs that feed fifty like it was coming at 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:49.760 us and it looked like the sun was getting blocked 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:51.720 out at this point, like what is happening right now? 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:54.720 So just part of the fun and mayhem of Marty Grausse. 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.160 So thanks again two hundred and fifty K and we're 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:58.760 gonna feed a lot of kids with that, So thanks 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.000 so much for joining us. Always glad to be part 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.560 of that wonderful event with the Northern Kentucky Restaurant Association. 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:08.400 Everyone down there, Gordy Sneyder, Pat Kenala, everybody, all right, 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:11.399 moving on, moving on. Saw the big headline today that 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:14.639 apparently we're this close to striking a deal with Iran 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.879 because we're talking in Geneva with Progress to try and 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.479 go tell their nuclear energy and Iran and they may 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:21.880 be back. 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:23.800 I don't know. It's the Middle East. 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.480 So you hear this and you go okay, So in 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.720 two weeks they'll wind up doing something. They'll blow it up. 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:32.200 It's like, you know, Israel and God say, okay, we've 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.439 got peace, do we really? Because you know the stuff's 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:36.040 still going to continue to happen. It's just I look 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:39.240 at it going okay, it's wishual thinking, but the reality 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.600 is there'll be some sort of aggrievance, some sort of 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:45.240 microaggression that they perceive on the part of the United 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:47.280 States or vice versa, and we'll be back at it again. 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:49.080 But had a little little brief piece and some hope. 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:50.919 We need some hope these days, so we will take it. 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:54.479 We will take it. There's a guy named Michael Sullivan 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:58.399 arrested outside the Capitol eighteen years old. Parked a suv 0:21:58.480 --> 0:21:59.840 near the western of the Capitol exit of the b 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:02.320 a shotgun and insteaded running toward the Capitol. He's we're 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:05.160 in a tactical vest and gloves, kevlar, helmet, gas mask 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:08.200 inside the suv, everything with an attempt to try and 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:09.480 I don't know what he's going to do is try 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:12.399 and take out people inside the capital. Of course, the 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:13.919 good news is and may I don't know if the 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:15.480 good news or not news, but it would have been 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.720 more effective if Congress are actually working, Like, if you're 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:20.679 going to do that, you may want to, I don't know, 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:22.800 go online and do some research and find out if 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:25.040 they're actually they're not saying I was wishing they would 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.760 by any stretch. But you know, if you're going to 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.280 go to prison for the rest of your life. I 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.920 guess you know, at least there's some sort of perceived threat. 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:35.840 But it's like, yeah, they're not working. They in addition 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.520 to the recess, they also are they shut down government. 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.840 So what actually has happened over there? It's like, wait 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:43.879 a minute, I did that. I'm going to prison forever. 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:49.840 And man, they weren't even that. Oh man, man, the 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:53.000 times in which we live. I have you heard this story? 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:55.000 So if you had kids or have kids that are 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:58.160 in school, you know about a company called Life Touch Photography. 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:01.639 And so every every beginning every school year in the fall, 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:04.200 your kids, you know, you get the you go shopping. 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:07.040 You're back to closed school. And then the best outfit 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:09.600 from your back to closed shopping experience, of course, will 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:11.560 be the one that your mom will tell you not 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:13.960 to get dirty because you've got school pictures. You can 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:16.200 wear this, but you need to say this is for school. 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:18.520 When you have your school pictures, you gotta look nice 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.240 for your school pictures. And you know, they give you 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:23.399 the comb, you comb your hair, you look all nice, 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:25.600 and of course they capture that moment it look like 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:27.919 you just got maced or something like that. It's the 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:30.520 stupid expressions on your face when you're a kid. But nonetheless, 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:32.879 the life Touch photography is a big deal. It's a 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:37.240 big money maker for everyone. So the Kentucky Educational Development 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:41.879 Corporation is suspending their partnership with life Touch due to 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:45.040 concerns over a tie to Jeffrey Epstein. So this is 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:48.639 from the let me get the straight department. Okay, the 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:53.320 CEO has a documented business relationship with Epstein, and it 0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:55.920 was in charge of Apollo when it bought Shutterfly, who 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:59.480 owns Life Touch now in twenty nineteen. Life Touch says, well, 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:02.400 no exact if there have ever had any contact with Epstein, 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:06.119 and Apollo did not acquire shutter Fly until after Jeffrey 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:06.879 Epstein died. 0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:09.840 So so you. 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:12.880 Had this guy who was tied to the previous company, 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:16.520 which was then bought out, and then that was sold 0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:19.640 package up and sold the Shutterfly. So we're like, we're 0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:25.160 two we're two child molesters away from this evening tying 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:29.440 to the current company, and yet Kentucky's going, well, we 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:32.080 got to question our business and largely probably because of 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:35.600 backlash from parents. You know, you want to think that 0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:37.639 we're getting a little better allowing our kids to be 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:40.199 a little bit more feral and you know, kind of 0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:43.080 plot their own direction to some degree. 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:44.080 You know, you give them controls. 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.760 I'm not suggesting the five year old should be, you know, 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:48.520 out there doing whatever he wants. You know, you give 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:50.920 him a give a limit, the list of selections, like, hey, 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:52.920 I want to wear this, I want our Halloween cost 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:54.600 him to school. Well you really can't, Well I can. 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:56.760 I Well here's why, but I'll give you three outfits 0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:58.040 you can pick from. You pick, and it makes you 0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:00.600 feel like they have some control, right, And the older 0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:03.600 you get, the more autonomy they should. 0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:04.760 And then they want to serve. 0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:07.120 But now it's like you think, at this point, now 0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:09.119 we start going back the other way, but we're not. 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:13.320 It's like, okay, did the current did this guy have 0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:16.679 any tie? Did Leon Black have does he have any 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:19.960 bearing on what they're doing today? And the answer, of 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:21.720 course is now. Now if you think it's like blood 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:23.919 money or something like that, even that I'd questioned, going, well, 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:27.200 wait a minute, the company was sold and was sold again, 0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:31.040 and so you are at least two transactions removed from 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:33.359 this guy have anything to do with it, and it 0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:35.639 was the CEO anyway, and you know, you go through CEO, 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:38.000 it's a change. They change, and if you did something wrong, 0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:40.200 you certainly deserve to be fired and go to prison 0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:43.359 and something as serious as this for sure, But I 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:45.160 don't know what you're protecting your kid from. 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:47.080 It's it's life touch. 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:48.600 I could see if what was going on now a 0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:52.560 different story, but not just part of the overprotective society 0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:54.240 in which we live. It's kind of like a few 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:57.239 weeks ago we had that it escapes me where it was, 0:25:57.280 --> 0:26:00.000 but locally where you had because of all the snow 0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:02.840 and ice, the roof collapse in the on a school 0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:04.800 gym and an elementary school gym, which is served your 0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:06.520 costs for concern. So they shut the school down for 0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:08.560 a couple of weeks and uh, it was just a 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:10.040 gym roof, And like the rest of us, they had 0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:12.480 structural engineers go in and inspectors from the state and 0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:14.840 everything else going to look at the place and inspecting, like, Okay, 0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:16.239 we're good, we're gonna open it back up. And they 0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.919 had an open house and parents are showing up and saying, well, 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:21.000 I'm not sending my kid to school because it's not safe. 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:23.520 It's like, well, we're not sending them to you know, 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:25.960 like back in the day, your mom and dad did that, going, wait, 0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:28.119 what happened? Yeah, the roof collapse in the gym? Oh okay, 0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:29.120 well we got to see what's good? 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:30.639 All right? Can I go back to school? 0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:33.040 Well yeah, you just can't have gym, but you should 0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:35.280 go and learn stuff and also get the hell out 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:35.479 of here. 0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:36.439 You're driving me crazy. 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:39.359 I think it was just maybe a little I don't 0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:41.040 want to be the guy going, oh, it's so better 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:42.439 back in the day, but something like that to me 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:44.040 is like, all right, well, you've had all these people 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:45.800 and there's a huge liability issue and they're not going 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:49.080 to let not only teachers and the staff and but kids, 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:52.240 especially if if it's unsafe. And yet even though you've 0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:55.520 had certified engineers structural engineers coming to go yeah, it's okay, 0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:56.080 it's just the gym. 0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:57.560 We got to rebuild it. Okay. 0:26:57.600 --> 0:26:59.960 Well, the rest of school's fine, right, yep, Now we're good. 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.320 There's no more snow on the roof, and we inspected 0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:06.159 everything looks good. Okay, good enough. Yeah, but there's a 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:07.520 chance that no, there's no chance. 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:08.920 I mean, you guess you. 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:10.680 Could have a media rite or a piece of ice 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:12.680 off an airplane and fall through the roof. I suppose, 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:17.159 but you know, really we've inspected it and anything about that. 0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:18.720 It's like, I'm not sending my kid to school anyway. 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.040 Well you had inspectors there. You may send your kid 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:23.080 to a school before that was never inspected. So there's 0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:27.119 probably the safest roof of any building in the state 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:30.760 at this point. Considering how many people are inspecting the roof, Well, 0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:33.640 what if they're wrong, Well, they're probably not. I would 0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:35.840 err on the side of having that inspection. And maybe 0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:37.119 you have a kid go to a different school and 0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.040 you're like, well you go to school, Well they'd inspect 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:39.440 our roof. 0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:42.879 That could fall down too. I don't know. I don't know. 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.760 But the shutterfly thing is that is absolutely fascinating to me. 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:50.399 This is pretty good. I know, if you saw this 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:53.000 or not. He was on a podcast and President Obama 0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:55.760 was to I know it was like like a little 0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:57.600 Q and a thing like a speed round thing, and 0:27:57.600 --> 0:27:59.960 he's answering questions about whether or not aliens were real, 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.239 and he I don't know if it's a slip up 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:04.560 or not, but you know, he said that, oh, they're real, 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:05.879 and then he had to come back and walk it 0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:08.040 back and said, I I was joking, wanted to you know, 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:10.720 I want to know the whereabouts of like if there's 0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:13.600 an underground bunker with aliens and they're keeping this from 0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:16.000 the president because I didn't know anything about it. And 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:17.679 it was kind of funny too, and you know, it 0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:20.640 just feels that speculation about aliens and Area fifty one 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:23.399 and conspiracy theories. And he said, yeah, they're real, but 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:24.879 we don't have them here. We don't have them an 0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:27.200 Area fifty one. And he had to kind of walk 0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:29.600 those comments back a little bit, which just fuels a 0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:30.880 conspiracy theorist even more. 0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:32.680 It's kind of funny. I was, hey, I don't I 0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:33.320 always thought of that. 0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:36.960 I really think that there's some sort of extraterrestrial life 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:38.920 out there. We just assume they're smarter than us, because 0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:40.920 that makes her a good story because they could come 0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:42.840 control us, because the other way around, it's like, well, 0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:47.760 you know, there there's life forms out there, but they're 0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:53.200 pretty dumb, right, pretty pretty stupid. It's like our dumbest 0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:56.640 criminals are still smarter than the extraterrestrial life out there. 0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.000 Oh okay. It was one of those guys yeah, all right, 0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:01.400 we're good. Like, you know, maybe they don't even have 0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:06.520 opposable thumbs. Yeah, I haven't even invented a crew ton 0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:09.760 or anything good like that. Yeah, spreadable cheese, like, yeah, 0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:11.480 we're good. It's the eating dirt. 0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:12.040 Okay. 0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:14.560 Maybe there's I don't know if it's intelligent life, but 0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:18.200 developed life out there sure probably probably, But daddy that 0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:20.520 you know, there's a superior being out there and it's 0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:22.960 not us, Like, I don't know about that. But I 0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.560 was reading this, it's interesting what we know about Area 0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:28.240 fifty one now. And I was reading a following a 0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:33.680 book about that, and it's interesting because the first uf 0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:35.920 of the saucer, right back in the fifties, if it's 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.160 all in the flying saucers, flying saucers were UFOs, and 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:39.800 now they're called UFAs or UFDs. 0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:40.320 I don't know. 0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:43.280 They changed the name every few years. And so the 0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:45.520 very first one they found it had crashed and there 0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:47.960 was evidence, Oh my god, this thing crashed, and you know, 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.200 the FEDS came in and sealed the area off, and 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:53.560 it fueled all this conspiracy later on, as it turned out, 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:57.520 according to the story, is that obviously the scientists there 0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:00.720 took it apart in the desert and wanted to see 0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:03.920 what the hell it was because there was no visible 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:08.160 signs of a way to propel the vehicle, you know, 0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.920 no exhaust is the equipment. And so anyway, they took 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:15.920 this thing apart and they found on parts inside it 0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:18.880 things written in the cyrillic alphabet, and the cyrillic alphabet, 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:22.479 of course is Russian. Now think about it, when this 0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:26.120 happens nineteen fifties, we're coming out of World War Two. 0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:28.520 We instantly went from World War to the Cold War. 0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:34.720 We're battling the Russians, Russians Vus, atomic superpowers, duck and cover. 0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:38.360 Everyone's paranoid thinking the bomb's going to go off, and 0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:42.120 now the Russians are flying saucers, which we looked at 0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:45.880 and want how the hell they're doing this, and they're 0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.960 doing it on our airspace, and so huge national security concern. 0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:51.760 Now you can't come out and say that. And the 0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:55.080 speculation was of course by someone said, well, they're like 0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:57.680 little alien men, or they're alien. Maybe it's an alien, 0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:00.400 it's something from outer space. And because of the time, 0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:02.600 you know, that was a whole thing that you know, 0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:06.200 we're going with fifties, you know, it's a war of 0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:08.560 the Cold War. But also, you know, we're involved in 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.760 the space race. They're launching spot nicking things, and so 0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:14.200 all that ties together. It's like, well, maybe it's an 0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:19.080 alien life form. And so the government said, you know what, 0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:23.560 that mistruth, that narrative is good for us because that 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.560 gives us cover for what we're doing out there in 0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:31.200 our space program. And so you saw things develop like 0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:35.240 the U two spyplane was actually which we flew over 0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:37.800 the Soviet un over to Russia, was developed out in 0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:40.280 the desert, and that's where they tested these things, and 0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:42.840 they'd get reports of these mysterious objects flying really high 0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:45.880 and glowing lights, and the B two stealth bomber, same thing. 0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:46.960 That's where they tested this thing. 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:51.120 And people get reports of well, mysterious objects that were 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:54.320 defying gravity plant and largely it was these experimental aircraft 0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:55.800 that they were working on, some of them man some 0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:58.320 of them unmanned, and they just let people run with it, 0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:01.400 going okay, well we had a sighting, Yeah it's probably 0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:04.480 an alien because we did not want to expose the 0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:08.440 truth of our space program. Pretty cool, I think, and 0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:10.600 it you know, you think about it fits together and 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:14.760 It's also part of Ockham's razor. Rockham's razor basically is like, 0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:20.719 generally the easiest story is the true story rather than 0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:22.680 going aliens and everything. I was like, yeah, we're trying 0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:25.400 to protect our national interests and develop these things because 0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:27.640 we're in a race with the with the Russians. Still 0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:29.760 don't know what's inside that flying sauc where I was flying, 0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:32.440 but it might and I've been fueled or powered. Maybe 0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:35.560 it was launch from an airplane or something. Who knows. 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:39.600 But to today, you know, we think there's aliens out there. Yeah, 0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:41.280 and I think there's intelligent life out there. I just 0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:43.360 don't know if they're smarter than we are. At this point, 0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:45.240 we've been trying to communicate with them forever based on 0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:48.480 this premise that they're out there, and we've got radio 0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:51.960 telescopes and everything else, still try sending signals and picking 0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:55.640 signals up and from distant galaxies and it's all fascinating stuff. 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:57.160 And boy, it's kind of funny. 0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:59.440 It's like, man, this thing was was sort of like 0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:01.960 a I don't know, kind of like we let this 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.200 mistruth go and let people believe it, and now it's 0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:06.320 this whole inn we actually now the sam government's actually 0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:09.000 spending what million, tens of millions of dollars on a radio, 0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:12.440 telescopes and everything else, not necessarily all to you know, 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:16.480 make contact with alien life forms. But it's all based 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:18.720 on that premise. That's kind of it's got a funny 0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:21.280 use of money. Like we're not gonna we're not gonna 0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:22.680 blow up the bed here. We got a pretty big 0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:25.240 it gotten so big now you're just like, we can't 0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:28.040 really give them the truth because they're gonna be really 0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:29.760 mad at us now because we spend all this money 0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:32.040 with anti alien technology. 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:33.800 For God's sake, that's how the world works. 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:36.000 I suppose we've got news on the way in just 0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:38.120 about six minutes here on the Big One, seven hundred 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:42.000 W LW. Bill, this is interesting. Bill Henson is his 0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:44.880 name is from Manhattan. Institude's there think tank. But it 0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:47.320 did come up with a new way to measure return 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:51.400 on investment for public education and the astomic part about 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:53.480 this whole thing. And they're based on New York and 0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:55.640 so I think, you know, you hear that and you go, oh, 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:56.240 it's New York. 0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:58.000 I don't really care. I live in Ohio, living Kentucky, 0:33:58.040 --> 0:33:58.880 live in the Danna. Yeah. 0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:02.240 But the truth the formula still works. It developed something 0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.360 called EROI, and that is a new return on investment 0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:08.200 educational return on investment, because you figure in is how 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:11.120 much the average student costs, the averageer people spending is, 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:13.000 and then how many students you have in the district, 0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:16.360 and then how many kids graduate or go on to 0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:19.520 college or go on And so is it fair to 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.439 include in the per people spending the number of kids 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.719 who don't graduate? And the answer be well, yeah, you 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:26.839 need to do that. It's not just so how much 0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:31.560 does that average diploma cost a taxpayer? And well it 0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:33.400 certainly fuel for people to go, hey we got to 0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:36.200 you know, go do more private schools or homeschooling. Okay, fine, 0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:38.439 But at the same time I look at it going, yeah, 0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:40.560 is this really an efficient use of money? 0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.600 Can we do better? And I think we can and 0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:43.560 have to do with AI. 0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:45.680 We'll get into that right after a news update on 0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:48.600 the Scott's Loan Show seven hundred WLW. 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:50.840 Do you want to be an American idiot? 0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:55.040 Let's go Scott's Loan Show, seven hundred WLW. You know 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:58.080 how much we spend on the military, and often I 0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:00.640 always spend seven eight times more than the next twenty 0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:02.799 nations gone by whatever it is. And we do spend 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:04.319 a lot on the military, and how much is enough? 0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:08.120 That number pals in comparison to the amount of money 0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:11.000 we spend in this country on K through twelve education. 0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:14.239 We spend more on K through twelve education than we 0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:17.120 do national efense. That is an astounding high number, and 0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:19.880 the results of that spend are eye opening, especially in 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:22.480 light of a new way to look at how much 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:23.800 bang we get for the buck. 0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:25.080 It is about ROA. 0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:26.759 Don't let anyone tell you any difference like well, these 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:28.520 are about kids in their future and it's more than 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:31.680 just you know, getting a job and being productive citizens. 0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:34.040 It's part of it. All feels good, it's all the fields. 0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:37.319 But we want to know what the ROI is are 0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:38.720 what's the return of our investment? 0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:39.200 Here? 0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:42.520 Are we getting the maximum we can for our dollar? 0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.000 And that's not only fair to ask as taxpayers, but 0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:48.600 more so as parents and grandparents. And the new metrics 0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:52.239 that we're using are downright infuriating. William Henson is here. 0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:54.920 Bill is with Manhattan Institute and primarily talks about, you know, 0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:57.239 what's going on in New York public school system. But 0:35:57.320 --> 0:35:59.399 I think it's a good illustration because this is true 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:00.239 everywhere else else. 0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:01.799 Bill, Welcome to the show. How are you. 0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:05.480 I'm well, Scott, thank you, thanks for having me. 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:08.919 Yeah, of course, So this ree you. You did this 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.560 with new and it's not New Day. But it's called 0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:14.640 e ROI Educational turn on Investment. So it's a way 0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:19.360 to calculate per pupil spending versus academic outcomes. We're talking 0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:23.040 graduation rates, college completion to says what that ROI is, 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:25.359 what the bang for the buck is, what it's educational values? 0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:26.279 How do you formulate that? 0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:32.000 So it's relatively straightforward, and getting the lot of the 0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:35.040 information was a bit more of a challenge. Yeah, but 0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:40.040 most school districts, whether they be in Cincinnati, Kentucky, or 0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:43.480 New York, California, et cetera, you can get access to 0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:50.280 how much those school districts spend per student. Okay, although 0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:53.760 even there it's a little bit complicated because they'll publish 0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:57.200 their direct operating costs not necessarily and I don't want 0:36:57.200 --> 0:36:59.160 to get too much in the leads here, but you 0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:04.160 know they're indirect cost capital expenditures, pensions and the like, 0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:08.080 and then you have enrollment and it's pretty simple. Okay, 0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:10.560 what's you know, what's the total spending divided by the 0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:12.400 number of kids in the system that gives are your 0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:19.160 per pupil spending. What that doesn't do, though, is tell you, well, 0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:22.040 what am I getting, like you, like you said in 0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.399 the introduction, what am I getting for that money? Whether 0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:28.440 it be as a parent, student, taxpayer, et cetera. 0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:30.680 Yeah, and it's a fair question. 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.279 And I looked at the numbers for Cincinnati a larger 0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:36.840 school listening area bill, Cincinnati Public and so the cost 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:40.960 to educate a kid, and it's right now, it's about 0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:43.640 our pupil's per pupils about nineteen thousand dollars A little 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:45.640 some studies say more, a little more, a little low, 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:49.240 but we'll say nineteen grand over thirteen years, okay, through twelve. 0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:52.240 That's almost too. That's almost a quarter million dollars a kid. Now, 0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:54.920 the other element there is what about kids who don't graduate? 0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:59.359 And I think that's something that this this formula bakes in. 0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.640 It is like, okay, great, but are they're they're graduating? 0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:05.399 But what about the roughly fourteen fifty percent kids who 0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:09.040 don't That should be factored in the equation as well. 0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:14.239 So if you so, you know, just staying with you know, Cincinnati, 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:19.560 and they round numbers twenty, you know, quarter million dollars 0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:22.960 to educate one student over the course of his or 0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:25.920 her primary and secondary. 0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:27.400 Years. 0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:35.200 But if only ten percent or twenty percent or thirty 0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:40.719 percent of those kids ultimately graduate from college, ont's just 0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:43.000 assume from the moment that's the ultimate objective. That could 0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:44.800 be a whole another conversation whether that's. 0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:46.480 The right path for everybody, sure, but. 0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:49.840 Assuming that's you know, that's your goal, that's your objective, 0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:56.960 and you say, okay, well, if it's twenty percent of 0:38:57.600 --> 0:39:05.320 ultimately graduate from college, that's one fifth. So my cost, 0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:12.520 Cincinnati's cost in this hypothetical example is actually five times 0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:16.000 a quarter of a million or what would that be? 0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:18.840 A million and a quarter a million, two hundred and 0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:23.240 fifty thousand to graduate one young person ultimately from college. 0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:25.960 And that's what you got to ask the question, am 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:27.719 I getting the bank for the buck? As you said, 0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:28.879 am I, am I. 0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:32.839 That is a you know, in New York City's seven 0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:35.040 hundred thousand dollars today's dollars, and of course you know 0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:39.640 you don't. It's hard to factor inflation and matriculation moving 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:41.880 from district to district. But it's and it's a rough number, 0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:44.200 but I think it's important too. It's like, if we're 0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:46.880 failing to educate these kids. I don't think that's solely 0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:49.200 back on the school system, quite honestly. I think there 0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:52.919 are multipleitude, multitude of factors as why an urban area. 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:54.600 I mean, for example, I know you taught a very 0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:57.680 prestigious private school, which is the best of the best, 0:39:57.680 --> 0:39:59.760 and of course you're going to have higher graduation attendance 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:01.000 because you know, parents. 0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:01.520 Are paying a lot of them. 0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:04.960 I think, like you said, is procedure, but in a 0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:09.400 different way, right, it exclusively serves low income kids. If you, 0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:13.080 if your family, God bless them, makes above a certain 0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:15.480 amount of money and you can afford another private school, 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:20.680 we will. How should I say, invite you to take me? 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:23.080 Yeah? 0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:25.239 No, I I understand that nuance, And that's true a 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:27.560 lot of areas as well. You're crystal ray and could 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:32.200 not right right, Yeah, But public schools also have you, 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:34.440 they have to take they have to take spec special 0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:36.640 education students of life too, So there's I think there's 0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:39.040 some nuances there. There's you know, the absent tee chronic 0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:42.640 apps and tee rates, kids who are under house underfed. 0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.360 You know that's that's certainly those are certainly mitigating factors 0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:47.279 for this whole thing. But you know, I was, I 0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:50.719 was speculating about this the other day in that you know, 0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:54.360 the whole educational system itself, we miss so many kids. 0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:56.160 I was one of those kids because I'm more of 0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:58.680 a tactile learner. You know, you put a you put 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.080 numbers in front of me, and I'm confused. Used, But 0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:02.799 you put a tape measure in front of me or something, 0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:04.759 I can say, Okay, what's the point of this and 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:06.920 apply more of an applied learner in that regard. And 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:09.240 so many kids are and we I think we're starting 0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:11.160 to learn more about admiss it. But my point is, 0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:13.640 you know, today you hear about kids being disengaged in 0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:17.120 school and not paying attention to kids. Maybe we're not 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:19.120 teaching to their level and maybe, you know, with the 0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:22.960 distractions of phones and social media in AI, now it 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:25.640 seems like, I don't know, do we even need THEE 0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:27.799 or should the public school model change? In a sense, 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.560 it's like, why aren't we teaching kids on their level? 0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.720 AI can learn how to teach to each individual student, 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.000 They'll learn more, will retain better, they'll be better students, 0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:39.240 and ultimately be more productive and successful in life. Maybe 0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:41.360 the way to do this is using AI as the 0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:44.400 teacher as opposed to a well, actual human teacher. 0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:51.799 Well, and there are some school models that are pursuing 0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:57.959 that where it's it might be too strong to say 0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:02.320 AI driven, but certainly AI I supported, And then you 0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:07.799 and m they'll dedicate or ear mark maybe two three 0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:12.759 hours of the education of the school day to sort 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:19.880 of traditional curriculum, et cetera, utilizing AI to be hopefully 0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:22.640 that much more efficient, that much more effective, et cetera, 0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:27.120 and then allocating the rest of the normal school day 0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:35.319 to other programs, services, et cetera. That would be in 0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:40.759 a perfect world of address. You know, kids, the way 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:43.200 you describe yourself as a different kind of learner or 0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:47.600 a different interests, et cetera. So I think there's a tremendous, 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:53.120 tremendous opportunity there. And I think, you know, over the 0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:56.719 course of the next several years, and it probably won't 0:42:56.760 --> 0:42:59.040 even be that long, you're you're going to see more 0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:04.360 of those type of sort of models and initiatives you 0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:05.080 know pop up. 0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:07.480 Yeah, I think it's a way to explore us. 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:10.000 Now, of course, this is a total threat to the 0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:13.480 ecosystem of public education, in particular that well wait a minute, now, 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:16.400 if we use AI, we need future teach we need 0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:19.080 less teachers. That is a threat to unions. We certainly 0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:21.640 need to help a lot less administrators, which is a 0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:24.320 threat to the bureaucratic class. It's also a threat to 0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:27.080 the brick and mortar of the schools that we continue 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:30.239 to fund the buildings themselves. Because if this is all 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:32.600 a digital enterprise and you can teach kids on their 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.440 own level, to their own means using AI, all of 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:37.920 that stuff is now in jeopardy. That's a threat to 0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:41.000 that's a threat to the American way of life in itself. 0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:46.359 Bill, Yeah, And I think you can even extend that 0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:53.360 line of thinking beyond just the implications of AI, but 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:58.399 to anything that represents a different model, a different way 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:02.960 of doing things from the traditional public school model, where 0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:10.600 you know where where the unions and entrench bureaucracy are 0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:15.920 nervous at best, if not to downright resistant to any 0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:19.160 kind of of change. And that's what we see here 0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:22.080 in New York. And you know the purpose of my 0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:24.360 study was sort of twofold, and we touched on. The 0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:29.239 first bar was to provide families, taxpayer, policymakers, et cetera, 0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:32.040 with the tool so it could really see, all right, 0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:35.000 what am I getting for this huge investment, you know, 0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:40.120 over a trillion or about a trillion dollars nationally. And 0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:44.080 then secondly is to then use that tool to evaluate 0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:49.520 a few different educational alternatives. And you know, I use 0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:52.120 New York because that's where I am. In New York 0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:53.600 is sort of the tip of the spear in the 0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:58.800 sense that they are the most expensive public school system 0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:04.759 in the country. And you see that, well, these there 0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:06.799 is one, you know, there is this alternative out there 0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:09.600 called this Christal Ray model. Educates low income kids and 0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:12.719 ninety nine percent kids of color, most of them come 0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:17.479 from uh, you know, single parent households, et cetera, et cetera. 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:22.920 And yet for every one student out of the New 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:27.400 York City public school system that ultimately graduates from college 0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:33.640 for the same amount of money, Christo Ray model graduated 0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:37.120 or produced nine kids from college. 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:39.920 What's what drives that? What do you think drives that? 0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:45.880 Oh, there's a there's a you know, a host of factors. 0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:50.399 Scott I'll say the ones I you know what, folks 0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:54.080 who work and teach in in In this case, it's 0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:56.960 a Catholic school model lowled You know, approximately half if 0:45:57.000 --> 0:46:00.439 not more of the kids are non Catholic. They don't 0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:05.600 get paid as much as public school teachers. So that's 0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:08.759 not necessarily a good thing in some ways, especially if 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:14.000 you're that particular teacher or staff member, But in other ways, 0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:17.680 it sends a pretty powerful message to the leadership of 0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:24.400 the school, the board, etc. That those staff members, those teachers, 0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:27.919 they really want to be there, they want to teach, 0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:32.280 They're willing to make that sacrifice so that they can 0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:38.000 help these young people ultimately realize their full potential. And 0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:41.839 that whether it comes through overtly or more subtly, that 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:47.040 sends a very very powerful message to the students themselves, 0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:50.879 to their families, to the rest of the community, and 0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:59.400 that once you get young people motivated and believing in themselves, 0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:05.040 that goes a long long way to them being able 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:09.640 to actually grow and achieve and accomplish. 0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:09.640 What they want. 0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.000 So culture is a big part of it, you know, 0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:13.879 just just one part of it. 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:15.040 Well, it also isn't it. 0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:17.760 Also the kids are coming there because their parents, regardless 0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:22.080 of income or socioeconomic level, bill they want their kids 0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:24.880 to succeed in school, and so they have a vestigations 0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:26.279 to making sure the kids shows up. They go to 0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:28.960 the parent teacher beings. I mean, it probably takes a 0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:35.719 very alert and education oriented parent because that's who's going 0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:38.080 to go to a school like this, Whereas you may 0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:41.040 have kids that come from troubled homes and parents that 0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:42.680 simply don't see the value in education. 0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:43.800 I think that's a distinction. 0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:46.520 But you know, to your point, yeah, And the other 0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:48.040 point too is you know, this is about college, and 0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:51.000 I does it factor in those who are going to 0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:53.320 the skilled trades or military service or just going directly 0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:53.840 the workforce. 0:47:55.160 --> 0:48:00.319 Well, the Crystal Ray model, which is national over forty 0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:03.200 Chrystal Ray schools around the country, including in Cincinnati to 0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:11.279 others in Ohio, has been a since its beginning, which 0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:14.759 was in the mid to late nineties. First Chicago has 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:25.040 been a college, college access, college success driven model. Now 0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:28.240 as we go forward in the world, that's changing pretty 0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:30.840 darn rapidly for some of the reasons we've touched on 0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:37.440 here and others. Does that evolve over time possibly, but 0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:42.680 also remember it's a it's a large network, but it's 0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:44.680 still a niche player. There's maybe, you know, in the 0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:48.280 grand scheme of things, you know, thirteen thousand students probably 0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:51.840 double maybe by now more than double that, thirty thousand alumni, 0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:54.840 et cetera. So when you look at it relative to 0:48:55.760 --> 0:49:01.400 all you know, high school population and the country, it's 0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:07.759 it's still a small player. But again, you know, so 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:11.200 its model is is is a is a college driven one. 0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:14.280 And I think, you know, going back to its founding 0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:17.560 and and and in the decades since you know, the 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:24.720 ethos has meant, hey, there's these young people by virtue 0:49:25.000 --> 0:49:28.720 of their economic circumstances and others should not be denied 0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:33.960 the same the same opportunity as they're more affluent peers have. 0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:36.840 Yeah, and unfortunately we have this hierarchy of the system 0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:38.799 in place, and anything that's been in trench for a while, 0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:41.439 they're going to protect their own And of course you're 0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:43.640 looking at this model and say, wow, we should replicate 0:49:43.680 --> 0:49:46.239 this is a threat to their to their existence the 0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:48.880 way they've always done things, and saving to the cries 0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:51.120 you don't care about education and you want to destroy 0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:53.160 public schools, that's not it. It's if you look at 0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:55.200 it as a tax payer, you want and none all 0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:57.600 that for our future. We need young people to be 0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:01.479 successful and well led you because it's in our best 0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:03.440 interests as we get older too it our kids need 0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:05.200 to because they're the ones that are going to be 0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:09.279 funding our lifestyles in the future. It's Bill Henson, he's 0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:12.600 at Manhattan Institute joining the show this morning about how 0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:15.120 we calculate the metrics or what success looks like in 0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:17.800 public schools and when we spend more on public education, 0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:21.880 then we do self to our defense system for example, 0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:24.440 and you see the results our defense gets us versus 0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:26.520 what education does or like is this money well spent 0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:28.680 and we should be kicking the tires on what that 0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:29.640 ROI looks like. 0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:31.239 Bill, all the best, Thanks for jumping on this. 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:35.200 Morning, my pleasure, Scott, thanks so much for having. 0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:35.520 Me take care. 0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:37.799 Yeah, at some point it breaks right as we look 0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:40.160 at AI and go, well, if kids aren't engaged in 0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:43.640 their phone more than in the classroom, because that's the model, 0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:46.480 that's the formula, it's the algorithm. Or right now in 0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:50.960 Washington they're fighting with well Facebook and other social media platforms, 0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:54.839 TikTok and everything else about kids being engaged all the time. 0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:57.640 It's become addictive. How do we take that formula, how 0:50:57.640 --> 0:51:01.680 do we take that algorithm and just simply using AI 0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:04.799 making an educational model the way to teach kids to 0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:07.640 make them addicted to learning. It seems like a great opportunity, 0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:10.799 but it threatens the hierarchy I was just talking about, 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:13.200 and no one wants that, from the administrative class, to 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:16.080 the teachers, unions, to hell, the people who take care 0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:19.080 of the buildings, the brick and mortars. Scott's Loan Show 0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:21.120 with news on the way in five minutes. Here Julie 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:29.799 on the job, next seven hundred WLW program. 0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:32.120 Helping you put the big P in profession. Here's our career, 0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:33.880 Sir Julie Balki. 0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:35.719 Yeah, I'm thinking we ought to bring that back, that 0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:38.200 work whistle at the end of the day, and now 0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:40.719 were that that that horn that the shift is over. 0:51:41.320 --> 0:51:42.480 Of course you're not going to be going off all 0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:44.839 the time because everyone leaves at different times. But bring 0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:46.640 that up with that work whistle back, Julie, how are you? 0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:51.440 I'm good, but I think why stop with the whistle 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:53.160 at the end of the day. Let's do a bell 0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:58.000 for lunch and morning and let's just keep. 0:51:57.920 --> 0:51:58.680 Selling all day. 0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:00.759 You're going to do the uh that like I don't 0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:01.920 know if they still do it or not, but like 0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:04.480 Japanese factory workers back in the day where they do 0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:08.720 their calisthetics, the aerobics before before the work they started, 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:12.160 nev's out there. 0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:19.480 The Japanese manufaction principles, like all that stuff. In the morning. 0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:21.760 Yeah, yeah, you get up and instead of having coffee 0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:26.120 out there working out. So here's the question for you listening, 0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:29.400 is do you prefer money or do you prefer time? 0:52:30.520 --> 0:52:35.120 Uninterrupted time off correlates with higher job satisfaction, better relationships 0:52:35.120 --> 0:52:39.320 with your coworkers, and you're more engaged. Therefore, lower turnout 0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:41.400 time beats money. 0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:45.279 Does that surprise you, Julie, Well, I think we're gonna 0:52:45.280 --> 0:52:47.480 put a caveat there. First of all, I'm not sure 0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:52.799 why this surprises anyone. Everything that this study said, well da, 0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:57.520 I mean, so, I think what's what's tricky here is 0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:02.840 this is a either or It really depends on your situation. 0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:07.799 So let's say that salary is not a concern for you, 0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:10.400 and yes, there are plenty of people who aren't working. 0:53:10.880 --> 0:53:13.239 The salary is not the most important part of the job, 0:53:13.920 --> 0:53:16.880 or they're not the primary red winner, or they've got 0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:20.520 good savings and other things are more important for people 0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:23.600 like that. Yes, they would prefer to have more time 0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:28.000 off than they would a bonus in many cases because 0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:32.960 it gives them chances to do things that they want 0:53:33.000 --> 0:53:36.400 to do outside of work. And so I think that 0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:39.000 the lesson here is, and I've said it over and 0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:42.000 over and over again, is one size does not fit all. 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:48.360 And until you understand what motivates your folks, and you 0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:52.400 have those conversations and you show and you really start 0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:55.479 getting down to what can we offer that maybe does 0:53:56.760 --> 0:54:01.480 resemble a little bit of cafeteria style benefits they used 0:54:01.480 --> 0:54:04.319 to have, where you know, you get certain number of 0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:07.720 credits or instead of this, uh, you know, thousand dollars 0:54:07.719 --> 0:54:10.680 bonus or whatever, we're going to offer you two days 0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:17.400 off instead and give people that choice. Instead of saying 0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:20.240 everybody gets X number of days off where everybody gets 0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:24.200 this bonus. You've got to offer what people value. And 0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:27.640 just because you, as a leader might value money and 0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:31.200 believe your people value money, their studies and studies upon 0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:35.680 studies that go back decades to show that leaders believe 0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:40.040 that people value salary more than they do. But that's 0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:42.000 not to say they don't want to be paid fairly, 0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:47.600 but it's the other things, recognition that I have a 0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:51.480 personal life, there's other things I enjoy doing, that I 0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:54.759 do have interest outside of work that matter to me, 0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:59.120 and that you're not going to go you're not going 0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:01.319 to bother me and I'm on vacation. I was talking 0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:04.400 to somebody the other day, yep, who worked for, you know, 0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:08.520 a big organization, and he said, this guy called one 0:55:08.600 --> 0:55:12.400 of our staff members on she was at a wedding 0:55:12.800 --> 0:55:14.359 out of state, and they asked her to come back 0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:16.799 because he needed her. And it wasn't even anything that 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:19.839 important that it was just this person who was used 0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:22.840 to saying when I jump you out to say how high? 0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:27.359 And that's an extreme example, but some variation of that 0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:28.320 is not uncommon. 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:31.799 It's interesting that the way they did this study, So 0:55:31.840 --> 0:55:35.120 the study that they did, Julie Bokie, if I'm paid 0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:38.120 vacation times make employees feel more quote unquote human than 0:55:38.200 --> 0:55:39.520 cash bonuses. 0:55:40.520 --> 0:55:41.120 And the key. 0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:43.640 Drivers just the time away. It's like a psychological boundary 0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:46.520 work in personal life. So they measured this out and 0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:48.360 there's like it's a very small gap and it's a 0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:49.280 seven point scale. 0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:50.000 It's kind of weird. 0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:53.520 But they said, every single text from a boss during 0:55:53.560 --> 0:55:57.719 your vacation drops that feeling human score so much it 0:55:57.760 --> 0:55:59.799 nearly wipes out the benefit of taking that vacation the 0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:02.080 first it's just by getting a few texts over the 0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:02.920 course of your vacation. 0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:06.759 Oh, absolutely, it triggers for this. 0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:07.800 What am I gonna thing? 0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:11.000 I've got to get got trying to relax. I've got 0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:13.279 to put my head back into work. And if you 0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:16.359 own a company or you're the CEO and you want 0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:19.200 choose to live your life like that, great, but don't 0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:23.400 assume that everybody else that everybody else is going to 0:56:23.440 --> 0:56:25.640 do that as well. So if you're really trying to relax, 0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:29.040 and part of this comes from as a leader, establishing 0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:34.160 a culture that doesn't contact people on you know, on 0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:37.920 their vacation, that doesn't you know, that says we're going 0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:40.080 to have somebody else take care of this, because every 0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:42.479 time you get dragged back to what's going on at work, 0:56:43.560 --> 0:56:48.239 the messenger sending is I don't care about you other 0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:50.319 than what you can do for me, So do this 0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:50.960 for me, please. 0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:54.719 How do you work with someone or for someone who 0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:57.239 values work more than time, because there are so many 0:56:57.239 --> 0:56:59.759 people in the world that their entire existence are entire 0:56:59.800 --> 0:57:01.680 life is about what they do for a living, and 0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:03.680 their whole cost for getting up in the morning is 0:57:03.719 --> 0:57:06.279 to do that. Now, you know, there's also people going, well, 0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:08.319 it's I loved I like my job, I like what 0:57:08.360 --> 0:57:09.719 I do, I like the money, but it's not my 0:57:09.760 --> 0:57:12.239 whole life. I work so I can have other things 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:14.000 in my life. I don't work just for the pure 0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:17.760 joy of working. And that's and that kind of attitude 0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:19.840 is around that is that like the person who puts 0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:22.880 work above everything else in society, And it's starting to change. 0:57:22.880 --> 0:57:26.000 But that person is is more revered and more dedicated 0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:29.160 than someone who doesn't that. Fortunately, I think that model 0:57:29.200 --> 0:57:31.120 is starting to change, isn't it, And has been changing 0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:32.680 for a while for sure. 0:57:32.960 --> 0:57:35.600 For sure, I had a client who was in my 0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:39.360 age range, and he interviewed with a CEO, and the 0:57:39.400 --> 0:57:41.440 CEO was asking a couple of questions for his family, 0:57:41.640 --> 0:57:44.760 and then the CEO said, I'm never just I'm met. 0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:46.400 This is the only time I'm going to ask you 0:57:46.440 --> 0:57:49.280 about your family. I expect you to put work first 0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:52.840 in family seconds, and he took himself out of contention 0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:55.560 for the job. That moment, Wow, I said, that is 0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:56.440 not going to work for me. 0:57:57.000 --> 0:57:57.360 And so. 0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:01.800 When you weren't interviewing for a job, it's very fair 0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:04.680 to say, Now, tell me about what it's. 0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:06.000 Like to work here, Tell me about the culture. 0:58:06.120 --> 0:58:08.439 Talk to as many people as you can who work 0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:11.760 there and understand is this the type of place that 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:15.400 expects you to be on call twenty four to seven, 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:20.440 or or is a place that really values your off time? 0:58:21.000 --> 0:58:26.320 And I know people Flany that went on vacation purposely 0:58:26.720 --> 0:58:29.120 to places where they had no self service. Now this 0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:31.680 was years ago before self service was anywhere, like a 0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:36.840 crucis only so that they could not be contacted by 0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:40.640 the company. That is crazy. So I think part of 0:58:40.640 --> 0:58:43.640 this is setting expectations. You say something like I'm going 0:58:43.680 --> 0:58:46.560 to be off enjoying my family for a week. I 0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:50.440 will have very limited access. If there is I will 0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:54.600 check my email twice a week. If there's something urgent, 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:58.480 please contact this person. But we kind of do it 0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:02.760 to ourselves. I'm not available, they will decide they don't 0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:05.800 need me, and then I'll be first on the layoff list. 0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:07.560 And you can't walking that fine line. 0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:09.960 Yeah, that makes sense. I think there's another element to 0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:11.680 this whole thing too. By the way, it's Julie Balki 0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:14.240 our career, Sirpa, it's Julie on the job every Wednesday 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:16.440 morning on the Scott Slan show her seven hundred wylw 0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:19.439 that a new study fund that paid vacation time makes 0:59:19.440 --> 0:59:23.000 employees feel more human than cash bonuses and makes them 0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:25.720 seen as individuals' lives beyond work. And it's that paro. 0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:28.960 It's all changing now, right, So people prefer time over money. 0:59:29.160 --> 0:59:31.400 I think there's another If you look at this almost 0:59:31.480 --> 0:59:34.440 like a graph, you have the time side on you know, 0:59:34.560 --> 0:59:37.160 the one access is time, the other access is money. 0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:39.760 But I will ask I'd offer a third. 0:59:39.560 --> 0:59:43.240 One in there, and that would be age because that 0:59:43.400 --> 0:59:46.320 age line would intersect where you know when your first start. 0:59:46.400 --> 0:59:48.120 Now you have any money, you're working, You maybe have 0:59:48.120 --> 0:59:50.160 a degree or you get your training, whatever it might be, 0:59:50.200 --> 0:59:51.720 and you're ready to take on the world, and you're 0:59:51.720 --> 0:59:53.440 ready to work ob scene hours and put your nose 0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:55.480 to the grindstone because you really don't have anything else 0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:57.200 going on in your life. Maybe you're dating, you're not 0:59:57.240 --> 1:00:01.080 a serious relationship, but as you age and and everyone's different, 1:00:01.080 --> 1:00:03.840 but typically you age, you start to value relationships. Maybe 1:00:03.840 --> 1:00:05.680 you meet that special someone who will to start a family, 1:00:05.880 --> 1:00:07.640 and all of a sudden, that age line starts interacting 1:00:07.680 --> 1:00:10.440 where time is more important than money. And it's different 1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:12.880 for everyone, but I think that's a third factor here. 1:00:14.680 --> 1:00:19.880 Absolutely, your values and priorities change as you age. There 1:00:19.920 --> 1:00:23.160 are certainly young people now it's flipped on a pad 1:00:23.200 --> 1:00:26.920 a little bit, that are not that focused on working career, 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:30.560 and that's really frustrating to older generations because we're used 1:00:30.600 --> 1:00:34.400 to the model you just laid out. Be super focused early, 1:00:34.840 --> 1:00:37.680 kind of kill a little bit later on, and they're saying, 1:00:37.880 --> 1:00:39.880 maybe I want to chill now, maybe I want to 1:00:39.960 --> 1:00:42.640 chill forever, or maybe I'll get serious about my career 1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:45.240 in another few years. And so we have to recognize 1:00:45.760 --> 1:00:50.200 that each person brings a different, different life experience. And 1:00:50.760 --> 1:00:55.040 I'm not saying you don't expect great performance from your people. 1:00:55.400 --> 1:00:58.360 You absolutely do, and if they're not performing, that's a 1:00:58.360 --> 1:01:01.560 whole other conversation. So don't take this to mean that 1:01:01.640 --> 1:01:03.880 I think everybody ought to be able to lobby other 1:01:04.000 --> 1:01:07.480 away through the day, But you do have to recognize 1:01:07.880 --> 1:01:11.600 that each individual that it is never going back to 1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:15.240 the way it was yep, And that each individuals in 1:01:15.320 --> 1:01:18.720 your company has a life you know nothing about and 1:01:18.800 --> 1:01:20.960 you don't have to understand it, and you don't have 1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:23.480 to get into it, okay, and you don't have to agree, 1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:27.000 you just have to recognize it. 1:01:27.400 --> 1:01:30.560 Yeah, what about the rto component return? We live in 1:01:30.560 --> 1:01:32.240 a moment Return office is a thing now, but we 1:01:32.280 --> 1:01:34.560 live in a moment where remote and hybrid work have 1:01:34.640 --> 1:01:37.920 blurred that line between work and personal life. Does that 1:01:38.000 --> 1:01:40.280 context may vacation time more or less valuable? 1:01:42.120 --> 1:01:45.880 Well, it depends if you so. I know some young, 1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:50.120 younger people who have work for companies that are very, 1:01:50.240 --> 1:01:53.959 very open and flexible with just get your work done, 1:01:54.040 --> 1:01:58.240 big national companies, get your work done and you're fine, 1:01:58.320 --> 1:02:00.760 We don't you know, take as much time as you need, 1:02:00.800 --> 1:02:06.920 but get your work done. And they are so loyal 1:02:07.200 --> 1:02:12.480 to those organizations and they are so appreciative of the 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:15.040 fact that nobody's bringing down their neck that I know 1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:21.000 for sure they work harder because of that, and they 1:02:21.040 --> 1:02:25.400 don't necessarily need as much one hundred percent away from 1:02:25.440 --> 1:02:29.200 work vacation time because they haven't had to have their 1:02:29.240 --> 1:02:31.560 nose to the grindstone twenty four to seven to get 1:02:31.600 --> 1:02:34.600 those two weeks up. So it's finding that right mix 1:02:34.720 --> 1:02:37.640 for you and organizations that have that type of a 1:02:37.720 --> 1:02:42.240 framework and realize that they've hired adults. Until I've hired 1:02:42.280 --> 1:02:43.920 you as an adult, I expect to get your work 1:02:43.960 --> 1:02:46.200 done and most time until you show me you can't. 1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:49.520 And then those individual cases where they show you can't, 1:02:49.560 --> 1:02:51.880 You've got to take care of those because if you don't, 1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:54.480 you're going to lose the You're going to lose the 1:02:54.520 --> 1:02:57.080 engagement and the loyalty of the other people who are 1:02:57.080 --> 1:02:58.000 playing by the rules. 1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:00.360 Another element of those studies that they may sure, do 1:03:00.400 --> 1:03:04.080 you know, does it? Does a research hold across different 1:03:04.080 --> 1:03:06.200 income levels on it? For example, if you make a 1:03:06.280 --> 1:03:09.840 five thousand dollars bonus versus an extra week off, that 1:03:09.960 --> 1:03:12.320 might feel different if you're making you know, thirty five 1:03:12.360 --> 1:03:14.720 grand a year, but if you're making don't one hundred 1:03:14.720 --> 1:03:17.000 and fifty two hundred k year, that five thousand dollars 1:03:17.080 --> 1:03:20.000 is like, yeah, you know, I'll do the vacation instead. 1:03:21.000 --> 1:03:24.040 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And also, I mean there are people 1:03:24.040 --> 1:03:25.680 who are doing three and four jobs and if you 1:03:25.760 --> 1:03:28.200 gave them, I mean, I've seen this. If you gave 1:03:28.240 --> 1:03:32.680 them a two hundred dollars bonus. That's potentially their electric bill. 1:03:32.720 --> 1:03:36.520 I mean that's a big deal. So yes, the proportion 1:03:37.080 --> 1:03:40.440 of what the proportion combined with what the person's individual 1:03:40.480 --> 1:03:43.480 situation is is, is what And that's why I think 1:03:43.480 --> 1:03:47.480 you've got to create a You have to get out 1:03:47.480 --> 1:03:50.160 of the mentality that one size fits all. Get a 1:03:50.200 --> 1:03:53.360 benefit of your compon benefits person, Bring in a consultant 1:03:53.440 --> 1:03:56.600 of compon benefits consultant. Make sure your attorneys in the 1:03:56.640 --> 1:04:01.240 loop so you're applying things consistently, but start to recognize 1:04:01.480 --> 1:04:06.800 and offer benefits that allow people to to to be 1:04:06.960 --> 1:04:09.520 recognized as a person who's not like this the person 1:04:09.600 --> 1:04:10.520 sitting in the next view. 1:04:10.720 --> 1:04:12.160 Yeah, Julie Balki. 1:04:12.200 --> 1:04:14.840 If a company offers you more vacation but you're afraid 1:04:14.840 --> 1:04:16.600 to take it because of that mantra from the loss 1:04:16.720 --> 1:04:19.680 is you know, because a work or culture of fear 1:04:19.880 --> 1:04:22.560 is seeing being less committed, does it does it benefit 1:04:22.840 --> 1:04:25.960 evaporate entirely? I mean, so many Americans have vacation days 1:04:25.960 --> 1:04:28.840 on the table. I don't know why, but they do. 1:04:28.920 --> 1:04:30.280 And that's probably part of it. 1:04:32.080 --> 1:04:35.240 Absolutely, So it's the culture set. So you might work 1:04:35.280 --> 1:04:39.400 for a company where the very top leadership is saying, absolutely, 1:04:39.480 --> 1:04:40.880 take all your time. You want you to take all 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:45.600 your time. But you might work for a director. You 1:04:45.680 --> 1:04:49.240 might be direct reporting to somebody who rolls his eyes, 1:04:49.800 --> 1:04:52.320 rolls his or her eyes at that statement and says, yeah, 1:04:53.000 --> 1:04:55.200 kind of do as you know, do as I do, 1:04:55.360 --> 1:04:58.080 not as they're telling you to do, and really actively 1:04:58.120 --> 1:05:00.479 discourages it. And so yeah, I mean, and that can 1:05:01.040 --> 1:05:03.280 we say. I've said over and over again, all the 1:05:03.280 --> 1:05:07.800 research indicates the number one people reason people leave organizations 1:05:08.000 --> 1:05:11.760 is poor leadership. And that's an example of poor leadership. 1:05:13.800 --> 1:05:16.600 Yeah, that makes sense, But I don't think you're going 1:05:16.600 --> 1:05:18.800 to change that, you know, as long as they manage 1:05:18.840 --> 1:05:20.640 your boss or owners there, I don't think you're going 1:05:20.680 --> 1:05:22.360 to change that mindset. And you may see, you know, 1:05:22.400 --> 1:05:24.520 some some changes there as well. And I think you 1:05:24.520 --> 1:05:28.880 know what the boss test experiment, you know, one text 1:05:28.960 --> 1:05:30.960 drops the human feelings score by more than a full 1:05:31.000 --> 1:05:33.280 point in the seven point scale, and so, you know, 1:05:33.360 --> 1:05:35.400 I guess that tells us a lot more about what 1:05:35.560 --> 1:05:38.480 most workplaces actually, how they operate as approached to how 1:05:38.520 --> 1:05:42.360 realistically they're disconnected from the time off model here that 1:05:42.440 --> 1:05:44.960 you know, there's plenty of people listening who work in 1:05:45.080 --> 1:05:47.440 environments like this, and you think at some point the 1:05:47.440 --> 1:05:48.200 message you get through. 1:05:48.240 --> 1:05:52.160 It never does though, No, no it doesn't. I mean 1:05:52.240 --> 1:05:54.600 I can't even tell you the number of conversations I 1:05:54.640 --> 1:06:00.400 have with people that they work for someone who nine 1:06:00.440 --> 1:06:04.720 out of ten people could quit and say, you know, 1:06:04.960 --> 1:06:08.120 the leadership care is horrible, or nine not ten people 1:06:08.120 --> 1:06:10.919 could quit, and that leader would say, people just don't 1:06:10.920 --> 1:06:14.400 want to work anymore. That that lack of saying, wait 1:06:14.480 --> 1:06:17.960 a minute, maybe I'm doing something wrong. It is like 1:06:18.160 --> 1:06:22.640 this denial that leaders have over why people leave organizations. 1:06:22.680 --> 1:06:26.800 It's like they must twist themselves into some incredibly incredible 1:06:26.880 --> 1:06:30.960 prexels to believe that if you have really high turnover 1:06:31.360 --> 1:06:33.160 it's because people don't want to work anymore. 1:06:33.240 --> 1:06:34.040 It's ridiculous. 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:36.560 Yeah, I guess all that fair is that it's not 1:06:36.600 --> 1:06:38.040 just the workplace, it's human nature. 1:06:38.120 --> 1:06:38.160 Is. 1:06:38.280 --> 1:06:40.800 For example, you know, if you're divorced, if you get 1:06:40.800 --> 1:06:44.280 a divorce, well it's it's probably them. Second divorce is 1:06:44.280 --> 1:06:46.439 like well, and by the third one it's like, well, 1:06:46.480 --> 1:06:47.680 clearly it's not them, it's you. 1:06:48.480 --> 1:06:51.160 Right, I just keep picking bad people, do you know 1:06:51.320 --> 1:06:52.360 it's probably you. 1:06:53.560 --> 1:06:57.400 Yeah, yeah, but that that lack of even awareness that 1:06:57.520 --> 1:07:00.640 even says we don't want to believe that should I 1:07:00.760 --> 1:07:04.440 be doing something different, it's going to be leading differently. 1:07:04.800 --> 1:07:08.320 It is crazy to me and I stories all the 1:07:08.360 --> 1:07:13.080 time leaders write in Cincinnati who don't like the most 1:07:13.160 --> 1:07:15.880 clueless because they don't want to admit they thought they 1:07:15.880 --> 1:07:19.000 have the mentality that I'm in charge, so I'm the 1:07:19.040 --> 1:07:23.160 smartest and so nobody can question me. Well, especially if 1:07:23.160 --> 1:07:25.120 you have a younger workforce, they are not going to 1:07:25.160 --> 1:07:28.440 stick around and stuck it up. They're just not And 1:07:28.480 --> 1:07:30.880 so that that is part of why we're getting as 1:07:30.920 --> 1:07:33.440 younger generation doesn't want to work. Maybe they don't want 1:07:33.440 --> 1:07:35.640 to work for you, Maybe they don't want to work 1:07:36.280 --> 1:07:38.520 in the way you want that to work. Maybe you 1:07:38.600 --> 1:07:40.960 need to take a look inside and see how you're 1:07:41.040 --> 1:07:44.280 leading and see, you know, see if your behavior matches, 1:07:44.560 --> 1:07:47.800 you know, matches what you're putting out there. And there's 1:07:47.880 --> 1:07:50.760 just this human nature that's like it can't possibly be me. 1:07:51.240 --> 1:07:53.920 Do you think that employers will trust this data? I mean, 1:07:53.920 --> 1:07:56.120 we have studies like this all the time, and I 1:07:56.360 --> 1:07:57.760 don't just fall on deafirs. 1:07:59.400 --> 1:08:00.440 No, I know. 1:08:01.960 --> 1:08:04.560 It's just it's just it's you know, after you've been 1:08:04.600 --> 1:08:08.040 around for us, Wow, there are so many. But you 1:08:08.120 --> 1:08:09.920 just look at the number of books that are written 1:08:09.920 --> 1:08:12.120 on how to be a good leader and the fact 1:08:12.160 --> 1:08:17.519 that the needle hasn't moved, you know, forever on why 1:08:17.560 --> 1:08:20.599 people leave organizations, But their number one complaint is about 1:08:20.640 --> 1:08:23.559 their culture. The person who has the most influence over 1:08:23.600 --> 1:08:29.960 their lives. Nobody wants, nobody wants to believe it's that, 1:08:30.120 --> 1:08:31.920 and they can read book after book after book, but 1:08:31.960 --> 1:08:35.960 it requires that introspection and that well wait a minute, 1:08:36.040 --> 1:08:38.800 you know, am I really open to receiving feedback from 1:08:38.840 --> 1:08:42.759 people who have experienced me as a leader and really 1:08:42.840 --> 1:08:46.120 open and open myself up and not be defensive, no doubt, 1:08:47.439 --> 1:08:51.000 and think about what I can do differently because of 1:08:51.200 --> 1:08:53.720 training and training and books and everything out there. 1:08:53.760 --> 1:08:56.240 It addresses the problem. And that's the biggest problem. There 1:08:56.280 --> 1:08:58.599 are bad bosses. You know, there's not many there's books 1:08:58.600 --> 1:09:00.559 on how to be a better boss or And it's 1:09:00.640 --> 1:09:02.120 kind of like, why aren't there there are plenty of 1:09:02.160 --> 1:09:04.280 weight loss books, Julia, Why aren't our books out there 1:09:04.280 --> 1:09:05.080 on how to gain weight? 1:09:07.680 --> 1:09:08.760 Right? 1:09:08.840 --> 1:09:13.000 Julie Bouki, Right, Julie Bouki career shir up here on 1:09:13.000 --> 1:09:15.280 the Scotsland Show Julie on the Job every Wednesday morning. 1:09:15.320 --> 1:09:18.680 It's again the website her and her team. She got 1:09:18.720 --> 1:09:20.160 a whole team, by the way, it's b a Uk 1:09:20.360 --> 1:09:23.040 Debaki Group, dot Com, career Coach consult, et cetera. Thanks again, 1:09:23.040 --> 1:09:25.600 we'll talk next week. Have a good one, all all right, 1:09:25.640 --> 1:09:26.120 appreciate it. 1:09:26.160 --> 1:09:26.320 Han. 1:09:26.400 --> 1:09:28.160 Let me get a news update in when a return 1:09:28.479 --> 1:09:30.880 boots on the ground here. Alex Schaeffer is his name, 1:09:30.960 --> 1:09:33.639 and he's a resident Adams County and you know it's 1:09:33.680 --> 1:09:36.360 the normal guy who now has become well to a 1:09:36.439 --> 1:09:39.479 lesser great activist. There's a local battle over data centers 1:09:39.560 --> 1:09:42.080 waging across not just Ohio, but Kentucky, Indiana, all over 1:09:42.120 --> 1:09:43.840 and where to put these things? We need them, we're 1:09:43.920 --> 1:09:45.400 using them, but we got it. We don't want them 1:09:45.439 --> 1:09:48.000 in our backyard. He has literally boots on the ground 1:09:48.000 --> 1:09:50.200 and fighting. And what's going on in Adams County. There's 1:09:50.200 --> 1:09:52.600 no the meeting tonight and what does that look like? 1:09:52.640 --> 1:09:54.680 Because now you're going as Adams County. But you know 1:09:54.840 --> 1:09:57.320 this is an issue we're all gonna face sooner rather 1:09:57.320 --> 1:09:59.559 than later. Where to put the data centers. He's next 1:09:59.560 --> 1:10:01.120 on the show one hundred W regisins. 1:10:01.160 --> 1:10:06.519 Now it's got flowed on seven one hundred w welw 1:10:06.760 --> 1:10:08.280 so this week, and you're probably gonna spend a lot 1:10:08.320 --> 1:10:10.400 more time in front of devices than you do during 1:10:10.439 --> 1:10:12.920 the week, right just because you're not working hopefully and 1:10:12.960 --> 1:10:13.479 you yourself. 1:10:13.479 --> 1:10:16.439 On average, you have around twenty one devices which are 1:10:16.479 --> 1:10:19.400 online in various places throughout the day, all of them 1:10:19.479 --> 1:10:21.640 using data pretty much all the time. And with the 1:10:21.680 --> 1:10:24.559 AI boom comes the need for more data centers. Thus 1:10:24.600 --> 1:10:27.000 the debate. So here in the Tri State, the debate 1:10:27.000 --> 1:10:29.360 over regulations being fought tooth and nail. And if you 1:10:29.360 --> 1:10:33.000 don't think this affects you, it's probably coming to your area, 1:10:33.120 --> 1:10:34.439 no matter if you live in the city or in 1:10:34.439 --> 1:10:37.439 the outlining area especial rural areas Ohio. Right now we're 1:10:37.479 --> 1:10:40.040 fifth nationally for data center development. We want to be 1:10:40.120 --> 1:10:44.240 number one. The state SENESUS is an economic machine force 1:10:44.320 --> 1:10:47.120 to get us on the technology well at the top 1:10:47.120 --> 1:10:49.760 of the technology map. I guess City of Cincinnati's you 1:10:49.880 --> 1:10:52.120 may or may not know, it's getting very proactive. They 1:10:52.200 --> 1:10:55.080 just put a temporary moratorium on data centers in the 1:10:55.080 --> 1:10:57.960 city while they do a zoning study Adams County. There 1:10:58.000 --> 1:11:00.880 was another meeting over well, well, we really don't know. 1:11:01.280 --> 1:11:05.280 This is probably the most interesting battle over data centers 1:11:05.400 --> 1:11:08.439 is that adding the controversy over these plants comes a 1:11:08.479 --> 1:11:11.559 plan here in Adams County that's completely secret because Economic 1:11:11.600 --> 1:11:15.400 Development director signed a non disclosure dree agreement, and nobody 1:11:15.479 --> 1:11:18.160 really knows what it's going to be, where it's going 1:11:18.240 --> 1:11:20.160 to go, and what it's going to do. 1:11:20.240 --> 1:11:22.360 Other than that, everything's great. Alex Schaefer's here. 1:11:22.400 --> 1:11:25.280 Alex is a resident and he's proactive in the process 1:11:25.280 --> 1:11:27.240 of finding out if this is right for his community, 1:11:27.640 --> 1:11:29.719 and he's out in Adams County and the Monroe Township 1:11:29.720 --> 1:11:31.880 and joins the show this morning. Basically, the bottom line 1:11:31.960 --> 1:11:33.960 is you're not going to do a more toim like 1:11:34.080 --> 1:11:37.040 City Cincinnati has, but you're going to make sure there's 1:11:37.040 --> 1:11:40.240 some strict zoning regulations in place. So it's it's progressing, 1:11:40.240 --> 1:11:40.919 it's moving. 1:11:40.720 --> 1:11:43.880 Forward, it's progressing, it's moving forward. There's a lot of 1:11:43.880 --> 1:11:47.000 community input. The role of the trustees now within the 1:11:47.000 --> 1:11:50.280 township is they are going to work with outside legal 1:11:50.320 --> 1:11:51.200 counsel to put. 1:11:51.080 --> 1:11:52.759 In the framework for zoning. 1:11:54.240 --> 1:11:57.120 You know, within these industrial areas within the township because 1:11:57.160 --> 1:12:00.120 everybody was on the same page where we have to 1:12:00.120 --> 1:12:02.720 get more information, We have to have more facts, and 1:12:02.760 --> 1:12:07.000 more importantly, we have to know even who these people 1:12:07.040 --> 1:12:08.800 are that are wanting to come in and what they're 1:12:08.800 --> 1:12:09.400 wanting to do. 1:12:09.640 --> 1:12:12.599 Yeah, so what raised the red flags for you about 1:12:12.640 --> 1:12:15.799 these projects and what motive motivated you to get involved. 1:12:16.320 --> 1:12:19.840 You know, these sites at Stewart and Killing Station, Killing 1:12:19.960 --> 1:12:23.639 is in and Roe Township have been empty for roughly 1:12:23.680 --> 1:12:25.920 eight years since the power plant shut down, and a 1:12:25.920 --> 1:12:27.639 lot of that has to do with the site cleanup. 1:12:28.000 --> 1:12:32.280 And those were the economic drivers of our county, and 1:12:32.360 --> 1:12:36.599 Adams County is such a prideful, beautiful countryside, but those 1:12:36.760 --> 1:12:42.040 were the economic drivers that really our community was built around. 1:12:42.120 --> 1:12:46.800 So it is these are general generational issues that we 1:12:46.920 --> 1:12:49.000 have in our county and we want to make sure 1:12:49.040 --> 1:12:52.120 that we're doing the right things. So not only us, 1:12:52.160 --> 1:12:55.160 but our children and our grandchildren are proud to continue 1:12:55.200 --> 1:12:56.639 to live and remain in Adams County. 1:12:56.680 --> 1:12:59.000 So this isn't completely going Hey, we don't want a 1:12:59.080 --> 1:13:00.760 data center, we don't want to of this stuff, stay 1:13:00.760 --> 1:13:01.679 the hell out of our town. 1:13:03.080 --> 1:13:06.120 No, I would say everyone is of the mindset where 1:13:06.920 --> 1:13:10.080 as I would akin these NDAs to that mister Worley 1:13:10.120 --> 1:13:13.840 signed is you're essentially agreen to get married before you've 1:13:13.880 --> 1:13:16.080 even seen who you're going on a date with. So 1:13:16.960 --> 1:13:19.120 you know, we need to have more facts. We need 1:13:19.120 --> 1:13:22.080 to know exactly who these companies are. Are they are 1:13:22.120 --> 1:13:25.479 they you know, companies based in the US. Are they 1:13:25.520 --> 1:13:29.519 foreign based companies? And you know what exactly the plans 1:13:29.560 --> 1:13:32.479 are because there's so many different variables that come into play. 1:13:33.560 --> 1:13:37.000 And I think that's a critical point because in this 1:13:37.040 --> 1:13:39.360 particular case, and we'll get into the NDA battle in 1:13:39.439 --> 1:13:41.240 just a second. And Paul Warley, I believe is the 1:13:41.240 --> 1:13:44.880 Economic Development director for Adams County. He signed an NDA 1:13:45.000 --> 1:13:46.840 with a company, But you guys have no idea on 1:13:47.320 --> 1:13:49.559 you know, the size and scope of the project, the 1:13:49.640 --> 1:13:51.680 exact location. I mean, you could kind of figure that 1:13:51.760 --> 1:13:55.040 out maybe with EPA records, but if you don't know 1:13:55.080 --> 1:13:56.679 the company, you don't know even if it's a data 1:13:56.680 --> 1:13:59.479 center or the type of services they offer before this 1:13:59.520 --> 1:13:59.920 thing goes. 1:14:01.200 --> 1:14:05.560 So the projects that are being proposed in Spring Township 1:14:05.600 --> 1:14:09.320 are a little bit further along, specifically at Stewart Seite, 1:14:09.320 --> 1:14:12.400 and there's also Buck Canyon site, which is across the 1:14:12.520 --> 1:14:16.720 road to inn Row, is very much earlier on in 1:14:16.760 --> 1:14:22.120 the process, which is very fortunate. And so that's precisely it. 1:14:22.320 --> 1:14:25.280 You know, we have to have more information on this 1:14:25.400 --> 1:14:28.479 because there I mean, it's just it's a black hole 1:14:28.600 --> 1:14:29.880 right now for the county, Okay. 1:14:29.880 --> 1:14:33.240 So the Economic Development director signs this non disclosure agreement 1:14:33.240 --> 1:14:36.280 with a couple companies and says, we've got to do 1:14:36.400 --> 1:14:39.000 this and they'll be transparency if the project gets to 1:14:39.000 --> 1:14:40.880 a point. So, you know, how do you respond to 1:14:41.000 --> 1:14:43.400 residents like yourself being asked away for details until the 1:14:43.400 --> 1:14:45.559 deals are nearly finalized. At what point is it too 1:14:45.680 --> 1:14:47.080 late for meaningful public input? 1:14:49.600 --> 1:14:51.479 I think that starts at the time that you actually 1:14:51.520 --> 1:14:55.560 signed the nbas. You know, Paul Whorley executed two nbas, 1:14:55.640 --> 1:14:58.439 one in January of twenty twenty four, the other one 1:14:58.479 --> 1:15:01.920 was in November of this year, and based on my 1:15:02.120 --> 1:15:05.439 tracing them, it's my opinion that they are linked to 1:15:05.439 --> 1:15:10.519 Amazon because the framework around the NBA's is the same 1:15:10.560 --> 1:15:12.519 as what's going on in Mount Warb right now in 1:15:12.560 --> 1:15:15.880 Brown County. And you know, to that point, and I 1:15:15.920 --> 1:15:19.200 had raised this issue and discussions with some of the 1:15:19.200 --> 1:15:23.280 Commissioners on Monday. Is Paul Whorley serves at the pleasure 1:15:23.640 --> 1:15:27.240 of the Board of Commissioners in Adams County. So how 1:15:27.320 --> 1:15:30.920 is the Board of Commissioners able to oversee Paul discharging 1:15:30.960 --> 1:15:33.880 his job duties for the board and thus in the 1:15:33.880 --> 1:15:37.160 best interests of the county if they cannot even monitor 1:15:37.840 --> 1:15:38.960 what he is working on? 1:15:39.000 --> 1:15:42.040 Who is who he is working with on these sites? 1:15:42.280 --> 1:15:45.680 Sure, but from the company standpoint, be it Amazon or 1:15:45.760 --> 1:15:47.599 whatever it might be, we don't know at this point. 1:15:48.160 --> 1:15:49.439 He's kind of like the kind of what so on 1:15:49.520 --> 1:15:51.679 these deals, you get a guy like him, an economic 1:15:51.680 --> 1:15:55.280 development guy, signs a non disclosure agreement with whoever's building 1:15:55.280 --> 1:15:58.320 this thing, which is kind of standard practice because you know, 1:15:58.360 --> 1:15:59.960 they want to keep the secret for as long as 1:16:00.040 --> 1:16:03.360 pus from the competition because there's a lot of proprietary 1:16:03.360 --> 1:16:05.720 technical information of all. But the people who don't sign 1:16:05.760 --> 1:16:08.120 it would be the the elected lawmakers, right, that would 1:16:08.160 --> 1:16:10.240 be the county commissioners of Adams County. And so at 1:16:10.280 --> 1:16:13.720 some point there's going to have to be a disclosure 1:16:14.120 --> 1:16:17.080 so that you can you can vote on this. So 1:16:17.120 --> 1:16:18.479 based on that, is this anything? 1:16:18.680 --> 1:16:18.920 Is this? 1:16:19.240 --> 1:16:22.320 Is this different than how it's done elsewhere, not that 1:16:22.360 --> 1:16:23.679 it makes it right, but you know what I'm saying 1:16:23.800 --> 1:16:25.960 is like, if this is standard practice, I get why 1:16:26.000 --> 1:16:28.160 Amazon or whoever is trying to protect their interests here 1:16:28.200 --> 1:16:30.280 because you know, you don't want all this information out 1:16:30.280 --> 1:16:32.360 there until you get a deal kind of put together. 1:16:33.640 --> 1:16:36.360 The debate on whether NDA's is standard practice or not 1:16:37.640 --> 1:16:40.280 really dependent on who you ask. I can tell you 1:16:40.320 --> 1:16:42.880 in certain areas and Columbus, which Columbus has over one 1:16:42.960 --> 1:16:46.720 hundred data centers right now, is not the most standard practice. 1:16:46.840 --> 1:16:50.880 And to your point about competition, that is actually what 1:16:51.040 --> 1:16:55.400 NDAs specifically inhibit. My degree is in economics from Ohio 1:16:55.439 --> 1:16:58.960 State University, and when you put an NDA in place, 1:16:59.560 --> 1:17:04.240 that prohibits you from even looking at other alternatives as 1:17:04.280 --> 1:17:07.840 to those sites and those developments, thus reducing competition. What 1:17:07.960 --> 1:17:11.000 happens when you reduce competition, you harm the consumer. Who's 1:17:11.040 --> 1:17:13.040 the consumer here the residents of Adams County. 1:17:13.680 --> 1:17:15.880 Yeah, and I get the argument, and you, you guys, 1:17:16.040 --> 1:17:17.920 you definitely should have a hand in the process here. 1:17:17.960 --> 1:17:19.479 We don't want government just going out and no, we 1:17:19.520 --> 1:17:21.800 know what's best, and that's it doesn't work that way. 1:17:22.640 --> 1:17:25.679 County officials there will switch to the jobs saying they said, well, 1:17:25.720 --> 1:17:28.040 seven hundred seven hundred jobs lost with the power plant 1:17:28.040 --> 1:17:30.439 closures there in Adams County. Another five and a half 1:17:30.479 --> 1:17:33.680 million from school funding gets pulled out because as they said, look, 1:17:33.680 --> 1:17:36.000 I've going hey, listen, this is going to help support 1:17:36.040 --> 1:17:39.479 the tax space here. But as I understand it, data 1:17:39.479 --> 1:17:42.680 centers are obviously exempt from property taxes because it's commercial. 1:17:43.360 --> 1:17:44.799 What about the job creation element? 1:17:46.120 --> 1:17:49.600 So job creation, the studies have shown that you have 1:17:49.720 --> 1:17:53.920 to have roughly twenty million dollars of capital input costs 1:17:54.040 --> 1:17:56.519 to create one full time job. So if you have 1:17:56.640 --> 1:18:00.479 a billion dollar data center development, you are on going 1:18:00.520 --> 1:18:03.639 to create roughly fifty jobs, Whereas if you look at 1:18:03.680 --> 1:18:09.360 other industrial usages for that site that actually provide you know, 1:18:09.560 --> 1:18:13.280 not only additional jobs and infrastructure and increase land value 1:18:13.280 --> 1:18:18.640 for the community. You are actually specifically targeting a broader workforce, 1:18:18.720 --> 1:18:20.800 the technical skill set of the workforce that we have 1:18:20.880 --> 1:18:24.320 in Adams County. And it's also then benefiting the community 1:18:24.960 --> 1:18:27.160 for people to work there and also the school districts 1:18:27.200 --> 1:18:30.400 in terms of the generation of those taxes from the payroll. 1:18:30.520 --> 1:18:33.360 Yeah, well, what about the element of what about the 1:18:33.520 --> 1:18:35.360 this is you know, the trail. I love the trades, 1:18:35.400 --> 1:18:37.839 but there'll be like over a thousand, around a thousand 1:18:37.840 --> 1:18:40.479 construction jobs for up to five years, and some of 1:18:40.520 --> 1:18:42.360 those would have to be in place for maintenance because 1:18:42.360 --> 1:18:44.200 a minute you finished this huge project going to take 1:18:44.240 --> 1:18:47.200 you know, three years, you're going to start having to 1:18:47.240 --> 1:18:49.719 refit some areas that were done three years ago because 1:18:49.720 --> 1:18:52.640 it's technology to change as rapidly. So some of the 1:18:52.760 --> 1:18:55.280 estimates say, you know, maybe one hundred million plus in 1:18:55.320 --> 1:18:59.479 local wages, one thousand, two thousand workers, eighty percent of 1:18:59.479 --> 1:19:01.840 those will be and radius of where you live. 1:19:03.000 --> 1:19:04.799 Those jobs are nothing to some of your nose. 1:19:04.680 --> 1:19:07.240 App there are nothing good. Some of your knows that. 1:19:07.320 --> 1:19:09.679 But I think you have to look at the actual 1:19:09.760 --> 1:19:11.840 data in terms of the payroll. And I've talked about 1:19:11.840 --> 1:19:14.360 this with David Gifford, the county auditor, who's a good 1:19:14.400 --> 1:19:17.160 friend of mine. And you know, when people try and 1:19:17.160 --> 1:19:20.360 say these auxiliary jobs that are created in the permanency 1:19:20.439 --> 1:19:23.519 of them, the numbers simply do not support that in 1:19:23.560 --> 1:19:25.960 the payroll records, and the auditor has that, and I 1:19:25.960 --> 1:19:28.840 think you also overall with these data centers in the 1:19:28.920 --> 1:19:31.160 job creation, you have to look at what's happening in 1:19:31.200 --> 1:19:34.879 the Greater Columbus area with Intel, where essentially Mike Dwine 1:19:34.920 --> 1:19:37.680 sold the farm to Intel and we had and the 1:19:37.680 --> 1:19:39.680 plants were supposed to open last year, and they were 1:19:39.720 --> 1:19:43.280 all these financial incentives and benchmarks that were supposed to 1:19:43.280 --> 1:19:43.960 be met by them. 1:19:44.000 --> 1:19:44.400 They have not. 1:19:45.000 --> 1:19:48.559 Mike had the option to enforce those agreements last year 1:19:48.600 --> 1:19:49.760 and he basically. 1:19:49.320 --> 1:19:50.439 Said, no, it's okay. 1:19:51.320 --> 1:19:53.479 You know, you can do whatever you want here in Ohio. 1:19:53.800 --> 1:19:58.080 So what would make the situation any different in Appalasha areas. 1:19:57.720 --> 1:19:59.720 And the Yeah. 1:19:59.760 --> 1:20:01.160 But the same time you look at it and go, 1:20:01.560 --> 1:20:04.320 are there industries that are are knocking at the door 1:20:04.360 --> 1:20:06.720 and trying to get their way into Adams County right now? 1:20:07.200 --> 1:20:10.160 You know you mentioned Columbus, Cincinnati, the big cities. A 1:20:10.240 --> 1:20:12.320 lot of companies want to do business in those areas. 1:20:12.320 --> 1:20:14.880 It makes a lot of sense for reasons we don't. 1:20:15.080 --> 1:20:18.160 The obvious reasons would be infrastructures already in place. But 1:20:18.640 --> 1:20:21.920 you know, Adams County I lost jobs, power plants. Is 1:20:21.920 --> 1:20:23.840 it kind of like you're turning your nose up with 1:20:23.880 --> 1:20:26.080 a good thing or you're trying to basically avoid a 1:20:26.120 --> 1:20:28.040 slam dunk. Care I mean, I think people see this 1:20:28.080 --> 1:20:29.840 and go, well, it's Adams County. It's not like and 1:20:29.880 --> 1:20:32.040 it's not being I'm not being derogatory. It's just like 1:20:32.320 --> 1:20:34.160 there are in companies that are looking to knock the 1:20:34.160 --> 1:20:35.799 door down to Adams County at this point. 1:20:35.600 --> 1:20:36.160 Are there. 1:20:37.960 --> 1:20:40.680 No, I would disagree with that. The sites have been 1:20:40.720 --> 1:20:43.479 looked at for a multiple for a multitude of different 1:20:43.560 --> 1:20:45.599 sectors over the years. And again, I think it's important 1:20:45.600 --> 1:20:48.599 for people to remember that once the power plants closed, 1:20:48.600 --> 1:20:51.720 it's not like you can just open up, you know, 1:20:51.840 --> 1:20:54.800 a new enterprise there the next day. There's so much 1:20:54.880 --> 1:20:58.000 environmental cleanup the head to be done with King Fisher Partners. 1:20:57.640 --> 1:20:58.120 To come in. 1:20:58.120 --> 1:21:01.479 There's a brownfield, yeah exactly precisely, yes. 1:21:01.640 --> 1:21:04.639 Yeah, yeah, and but okay, so there's some infrastructure there, 1:21:04.640 --> 1:21:06.960 but people are well, well, I'd rather build something, you know. 1:21:07.040 --> 1:21:09.360 At the same time, you know, these data centers take 1:21:09.400 --> 1:21:11.120 a lot of power. So you know, put two and 1:21:11.120 --> 1:21:13.360 two together, it's pretty obvious that you want to be 1:21:13.439 --> 1:21:14.960 near water, which you have, and you want to be 1:21:15.040 --> 1:21:17.320 near you know, megawats of electricity. 1:21:17.320 --> 1:21:18.880 They're easily accessible. 1:21:19.800 --> 1:21:22.360 Correct, and we do have the power grid there in place, 1:21:23.200 --> 1:21:25.360 and you know, this is something that a big Ramaswami 1:21:25.360 --> 1:21:27.960 has discussed about the strain on the power grid right now, 1:21:28.000 --> 1:21:30.960 and there's currently a House bill in place, House Built 1:21:31.000 --> 1:21:35.160 six forty six sitting in the House Rules Committee in 1:21:35.240 --> 1:21:39.000 terms of actually setting a thirteam member commissioned to study 1:21:39.040 --> 1:21:41.720 these data centers because of the boom of them in Ohio, 1:21:41.760 --> 1:21:46.439 because of the strain on our electrical grid. So I 1:21:47.120 --> 1:21:49.360 kind of akin it to people as this is, how 1:21:49.400 --> 1:21:53.400 are we going to continue as a society to supply 1:21:53.479 --> 1:21:57.120 the power and energy to these data centers because they 1:21:57.160 --> 1:22:00.560 are not they are they are an energy input, They're 1:22:00.600 --> 1:22:05.080 not an energy export if we do not have facilities 1:22:05.120 --> 1:22:07.519 in place to actually generate that power for them. 1:22:07.640 --> 1:22:09.320 Yeah, I've talked about this a lot of my show 1:22:09.360 --> 1:22:11.080 Well in the Future, and I you know, you're in 1:22:11.120 --> 1:22:12.920 the tech sector as well, So it's not like you 1:22:12.960 --> 1:22:14.760 know your lott of your scream at the old man, 1:22:14.800 --> 1:22:17.320 scream at the clouds and saying damn computers. 1:22:16.880 --> 1:22:19.000 Go away, right, I mean you lean we all leaned 1:22:19.000 --> 1:22:19.280 into it. 1:22:19.280 --> 1:22:21.719 We're all and it's it's such a paradox, right, Alex, 1:22:21.800 --> 1:22:24.520 because we're all guilty of this. We all have devices. 1:22:24.560 --> 1:22:26.840 I mean, we're talking you know, digitally. Right now I'm 1:22:26.880 --> 1:22:29.640 recording you digitally, it's going into a cloud. And so 1:22:29.880 --> 1:22:32.640 we're guilty of this ourselves right now. We have no 1:22:32.800 --> 1:22:35.320 choice but to figure out a way we can all live. 1:22:35.200 --> 1:22:40.800 With us absolutely. And you know, my company uses you know. 1:22:40.880 --> 1:22:44.160 Cloud servers, and you know, we have to have them 1:22:44.200 --> 1:22:46.320 as society, and we have to have them also in 1:22:46.400 --> 1:22:50.680 terms of national intelligence and also being independent from you know, 1:22:51.040 --> 1:22:53.960 foreign control. And I think we all saw what happened 1:22:53.960 --> 1:22:57.360 with COVID when manufacturing shut down and the rest of 1:22:57.400 --> 1:22:59.160 the world look that, you know, Oh my god, look 1:22:59.160 --> 1:23:02.240 how the pendent we are on China. So you know, 1:23:02.320 --> 1:23:05.880 that is definitely, you know, a great point. And that's 1:23:05.920 --> 1:23:08.680 the thing I think everyone's standpoint is we are not 1:23:08.800 --> 1:23:12.040 saying no to data centers overall, but in terms of 1:23:12.360 --> 1:23:16.480 specifically the locations and the phases in which you possibly 1:23:16.920 --> 1:23:19.519 would put those in and where you would put those 1:23:19.560 --> 1:23:22.160 in at is what the biggest concern is with not 1:23:22.240 --> 1:23:24.320 having any information from these companies? 1:23:24.600 --> 1:23:27.480 The number one, the biggest outside of transparency the politics 1:23:27.479 --> 1:23:30.240 of it, which generally they tend to settle down at 1:23:30.240 --> 1:23:32.920 some point. What's the biggest concern for residents? Would you 1:23:32.920 --> 1:23:35.160 say there Alex Schaeffer and Adams County over this. 1:23:36.600 --> 1:23:39.760 I would say specifically where they're proposing it is, you know, 1:23:40.120 --> 1:23:44.639 the landscape in you know, the southern part of Adams County, 1:23:45.479 --> 1:23:48.320 the hills and the river and everything is what makes 1:23:48.360 --> 1:23:49.600 Adams County beautiful. 1:23:49.800 --> 1:23:51.479 And also, you know. 1:23:52.560 --> 1:23:54.680 You know, the side effects that you have from the 1:23:54.760 --> 1:23:57.719 data center's long term is something that again we don't 1:23:57.720 --> 1:24:00.000 know about. So if the state is at the process 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:02.960 sets to where they're looking at creating a thirteen member 1:24:03.000 --> 1:24:07.679 committee to study those effects, then us as Adams County 1:24:07.720 --> 1:24:09.599 should sit here and look at it and say, Okay, 1:24:09.680 --> 1:24:11.720 if this is a broader issue at the state and 1:24:11.800 --> 1:24:15.519 obviously the national level, you know, we don't have the 1:24:15.560 --> 1:24:19.720 ability as a small community to fight this later on 1:24:19.800 --> 1:24:21.200 down the road. So we don't want to make the 1:24:21.240 --> 1:24:23.720 wrong decision now that we look back ten years and 1:24:23.760 --> 1:24:25.439 we're like, what did we do right? 1:24:25.479 --> 1:24:27.600 It's hard because you know, you're at the tip of 1:24:27.600 --> 1:24:29.400 the spirit at this point. There are not many other 1:24:29.439 --> 1:24:31.360 peers you could look at that have been doing this 1:24:31.400 --> 1:24:33.040 for you twenty years and see what the long term 1:24:33.080 --> 1:24:35.080 effects are. You've got to make a decision. It's going 1:24:35.080 --> 1:24:37.680 to impact the next hundred exactly. 1:24:38.160 --> 1:24:41.000 And you know that's that's honestly the problem in society 1:24:41.040 --> 1:24:44.160 with a lot of things, whether that's technology or medicine, 1:24:44.280 --> 1:24:48.400 and you know, we have to continue to evolve and adapt. 1:24:48.640 --> 1:24:51.639 Yeah, there are unforeseen consequences that no one can predict. 1:24:51.640 --> 1:24:54.120 And usually that's the case, we didn't we didn't think 1:24:54.120 --> 1:24:55.960 of that, or we didn't see that coming. Because while 1:24:56.280 --> 1:24:58.800 the world is always changing, for sure, So what are 1:24:58.800 --> 1:24:59.599 the next steps here? 1:25:01.000 --> 1:25:04.680 So from area township right now they're in the process 1:25:05.000 --> 1:25:08.440 of obtaining outside legal counsels, start trapped in the framework 1:25:09.280 --> 1:25:12.560 for what they want to put in for zoning. Specifically, 1:25:12.560 --> 1:25:17.160 their Sprig Township has a meeting I believe it is 1:25:17.160 --> 1:25:21.559 February twenty third, and there there is going to be 1:25:21.600 --> 1:25:24.720 some more information hopefully that will come out about at 1:25:24.760 --> 1:25:28.480 that standpoint. And so overall for the county, the commissioners 1:25:28.560 --> 1:25:33.040 have promised to have more public input and a more 1:25:33.120 --> 1:25:36.880 dedicated special meeting to this. But again I think it's 1:25:36.960 --> 1:25:40.000 very important to point out, you know, in terms of 1:25:40.040 --> 1:25:44.960 these developments, the Board of Commissioners has the option to 1:25:45.120 --> 1:25:50.519 direct mister Warley to recuse himself from these NDAs, and 1:25:50.640 --> 1:25:53.720 that prevents these companies moving forward with the speed that 1:25:53.760 --> 1:25:57.160 they would like and garner that public input and have 1:25:57.280 --> 1:26:00.800 these representatives come in and talk to the community, talk 1:26:00.880 --> 1:26:03.360 to us about what their plans are and how they 1:26:03.400 --> 1:26:07.360 want to integrate themselves into our county in a way 1:26:07.400 --> 1:26:09.840 that we're proud of, just like General Electric has done 1:26:09.840 --> 1:26:11.559 with their jet engine testing facility in. 1:26:11.560 --> 1:26:14.479 People makes sense, You think Cincinnata has it right putting 1:26:14.479 --> 1:26:15.680 the moratry monusor. 1:26:15.360 --> 1:26:17.040 Did I do? 1:26:17.240 --> 1:26:20.559 And several other townships and Columbus have done that. Jerone Township, 1:26:20.760 --> 1:26:23.120 Washington Township, and the city of Dublin have done that, 1:26:23.280 --> 1:26:25.599 and they have data centers kind of around the perimeter 1:26:26.120 --> 1:26:28.760 of the City of Dublin. And because you know right 1:26:28.800 --> 1:26:32.479 now it's an arms race for data centers, it truly is, 1:26:32.560 --> 1:26:37.400 and that stems from, I believe, you know, a technological. 1:26:36.760 --> 1:26:39.680 Arms race with China. So again, in order for. 1:26:39.720 --> 1:26:43.240 Us to properly look at this for our future and 1:26:43.280 --> 1:26:45.479 look at the side effects of it, and look at 1:26:45.960 --> 1:26:50.080 where we want to see these things in the landscape 1:26:50.360 --> 1:26:54.120 of our communities, we have to put the pause button 1:26:54.160 --> 1:26:58.920 in place, get more information, get more facts, and truly 1:26:58.960 --> 1:27:02.479 be able to make and more educated and informed decision. 1:27:02.920 --> 1:27:06.400 Alex Schaeffer is a residence in Adams County and it's 1:27:06.400 --> 1:27:08.840 certainly one of the more interesting cases because of NDAs 1:27:08.920 --> 1:27:11.760 and land and not knowing what really is going to 1:27:11.840 --> 1:27:14.040 go and who even owns a data center for that point. 1:27:14.080 --> 1:27:15.760 But it's a great example to look at for the 1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:19.400 rest of us because Alex is a resident, is getting involved. 1:27:19.400 --> 1:27:21.840 He's being proactive in the process of finding out if 1:27:21.880 --> 1:27:24.759 it's right for his community and where he lives and breathes, 1:27:24.760 --> 1:27:27.280 he eats and works. And that's a battle. It's you 1:27:27.320 --> 1:27:29.080 hear and that's going well, that's Adams County, but guess 1:27:29.080 --> 1:27:31.479 what it's happening in Cincy. It's going to happen in 1:27:32.439 --> 1:27:34.160 not only the city, but it's going to happen in 1:27:34.400 --> 1:27:38.120 maybe suburban areas, but particularly rural areas, Butler County, Mount Orb, 1:27:38.680 --> 1:27:41.080 the list goes on and on and on. So it's 1:27:41.080 --> 1:27:42.519 a battle we're all going to have to face, or 1:27:42.520 --> 1:27:43.920 an issue we're gonna have to face, I guess, and 1:27:43.920 --> 1:27:45.920 figure out how to to what the best practice is. 1:27:46.439 --> 1:27:48.839 It's not going away. We're gonna have to put them somewhere. 1:27:49.439 --> 1:27:51.400 How do we coexist, I guess is a question it's 1:27:51.400 --> 1:27:53.639 a great case, Alex. We'll talk again in the future, 1:27:53.640 --> 1:27:54.000 I'm sure. 1:27:54.040 --> 1:27:54.200 Man. 1:27:54.200 --> 1:27:57.040 Thanks for coming on and shedding some light on this issue. 1:27:57.920 --> 1:28:01.320 Absolutely, and Scott, you know on behalf of the people 1:28:01.320 --> 1:28:04.519 of Adams County. Thank you for having me on to 1:28:04.680 --> 1:28:08.599 allow us to raise our voice on your platform into 1:28:08.640 --> 1:28:11.280 the greater Tri State area. We are truly and greatly 1:28:11.320 --> 1:28:12.080 appreciative of all. 1:28:12.160 --> 1:28:15.200 I appreciate you, brother, and again we'll talk soon. Thanks again, 1:28:15.920 --> 1:28:18.040 Thanks Scott. All right, there we go, Alex Schaeffer on 1:28:18.080 --> 1:28:20.639 the show. Yeah you hear that, you go. It doesn't really, 1:28:20.720 --> 1:28:23.160 it doesn't concern it, does it concerned? We're the ones 1:28:23.200 --> 1:28:26.200 doing it right. We use all this stuff as far 1:28:26.200 --> 1:28:28.519 as information goes in data. We're using it right now. 1:28:28.680 --> 1:28:30.439 You're using it right and we're all using it. We 1:28:30.479 --> 1:28:33.400 have no choice. This is it's what it is. It's 1:28:33.439 --> 1:28:36.120 the future too. So can we lean and make money 1:28:36.160 --> 1:28:39.559 and make Ohio a more vibrant and improve our economy 1:28:39.560 --> 1:28:43.240 because of Intel, because of aws et cetera, et cetera. Well, 1:28:43.280 --> 1:28:46.000 we also have to live where these plants are too. 1:28:46.080 --> 1:28:48.719 So watching these guys, I think it's a great test 1:28:48.720 --> 1:28:50.360 case for all of us. If you will anyway, we'll 1:28:50.400 --> 1:28:52.880 continue to follow that. Scott's Loan show continues seven hundred 1:28:52.960 --> 1:28:55.639 wl slonely seven hundred w Aldo. 1:28:55.640 --> 1:28:56.599 It'll be sharing the day off. 1:28:56.960 --> 1:28:59.640 She is resting after her work is MC along with 1:28:59.680 --> 1:29:02.880 Tom was off today. Marty grap for Homeless Kids twenty 1:29:02.920 --> 1:29:05.320 twenty six raised a quarter million dollars to feed kids 1:29:05.360 --> 1:29:07.439 in Cincinnati, So thank you, as King of Marti grat 1:29:07.479 --> 1:29:10.640 thank you for that. Speaking of kids, the weather is 1:29:10.640 --> 1:29:13.040 starting to get warmer and more kids will be participating 1:29:13.040 --> 1:29:16.400 in sports, and we know when it comes to concussions 1:29:16.920 --> 1:29:20.880 that kids are particularly susceptible to this. Football comes to 1:29:20.920 --> 1:29:23.120 my first and foremost. But now with the advent of 1:29:23.160 --> 1:29:26.719 flag football and girls participating at record levels, we're starting 1:29:26.760 --> 1:29:29.360 to see more and more kids present in emergency departments 1:29:29.640 --> 1:29:33.760 with concussions. And seven out of ten ed visits for 1:29:33.840 --> 1:29:37.360 sports and recreation related injuries are concussions for kids seventeen 1:29:37.360 --> 1:29:39.760 and under. It's incredible. Joining the show this morning once 1:29:39.760 --> 1:29:44.599 again is Bruce Parkman. He's an expert in preventing TBIs. Bruce, 1:29:44.640 --> 1:29:45.559 welcome back, how are you? 1:29:47.160 --> 1:29:48.880 Thank you very much, sir, appreciate you having me on 1:29:48.880 --> 1:29:49.160 the show. 1:29:49.240 --> 1:29:52.680 Doing fine today, Yeah, it's an important issue when you 1:29:52.720 --> 1:29:55.679 are exposed to early concussive trauma and we're talking about 1:29:55.680 --> 1:29:58.559 maybe multiple one, two or three or more, and maybe 1:29:58.560 --> 1:30:01.840 you don't know that your kid is suffering from a concussion. 1:30:02.600 --> 1:30:04.559 There's a hidden risk there. What are we seeing in 1:30:04.560 --> 1:30:08.400 relation to that? And then later on mental illness? Are 1:30:08.400 --> 1:30:09.800 we talking about CTE in. 1:30:09.720 --> 1:30:14.000 Particular talking about was called RhI repeated head impacts and 1:30:14.040 --> 1:30:17.320 those are the little blows, the subconcussom blows that kids 1:30:17.360 --> 1:30:19.599 take when their head hits the wrestling mat, or they 1:30:19.600 --> 1:30:23.000 get tackled in football, or they head the soccer ball. 1:30:23.479 --> 1:30:26.720 And these little impacts are now known over time to 1:30:26.800 --> 1:30:29.240 be the cause of CTE, which is of course you 1:30:29.280 --> 1:30:32.080 don't know about that to you die. But there are 1:30:32.120 --> 1:30:36.200 also the cause of damage to the brain that over time, 1:30:36.520 --> 1:30:41.240 through the inflammation and continued prolonged exposure to the subcust 1:30:41.280 --> 1:30:44.280 of is hits, leads to mental illness from the damage 1:30:44.320 --> 1:30:44.800 to the brain. 1:30:45.680 --> 1:30:48.920 Yeah, in some cases we know it may be one 1:30:49.080 --> 1:30:51.880 or two decent I mean really really good ones graded 1:30:51.960 --> 1:30:54.799 higher graded concussions that may causes but you're talking about 1:30:54.840 --> 1:30:59.479 now just the jarring of the brain, not necessarily concussion. 1:30:59.000 --> 1:31:02.760 Right, absolutely, sir. Every one of those hits changes the 1:31:02.760 --> 1:31:06.040 brain at the microcellular level. And the issue is because 1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:09.040 they don't provide any concussive symptoms like the child is 1:31:09.080 --> 1:31:11.559 not busy or the planning of a headache, we assume 1:31:11.600 --> 1:31:14.080 that it's safe. But what we now know from science 1:31:14.080 --> 1:31:18.280 and research and how I lost my son from mental illness, 1:31:18.520 --> 1:31:21.280 and that was validated by research and a study that 1:31:21.320 --> 1:31:24.400 we funded at Boston University with the NFL players as well, 1:31:24.960 --> 1:31:28.719 is that there is extreme structural damage that occurs over years, 1:31:28.720 --> 1:31:31.280 and that damage has been associated and known to be 1:31:31.320 --> 1:31:33.759 correlated with mental illness for over four decades. 1:31:34.479 --> 1:31:36.559 What type of mental illnesses are we talking about? How 1:31:36.560 --> 1:31:37.400 does it present later? 1:31:38.479 --> 1:31:40.920 So most of the mental illnesses that we could actually 1:31:41.680 --> 1:31:45.160 runs the gamut from psychological, cognitive, and behavior disorders. So 1:31:45.200 --> 1:31:48.720 we're talking about aggression, rage, and pulsivity. But it could 1:31:48.720 --> 1:31:52.280 be light noise sensitivity, it could be apathy, it could 1:31:52.320 --> 1:31:56.120 be just a lack of care. And the problem is 1:31:56.160 --> 1:31:59.519 that we have is that as a society, we assume 1:31:59.600 --> 1:32:02.000 that our kids are growing up or you know, they're 1:32:02.400 --> 1:32:04.559 just not you know, they're not taking part in the 1:32:04.600 --> 1:32:07.439 activity that used to love so well. But we are 1:32:07.439 --> 1:32:10.120 now finding out that all these mental illnesses. We have 1:32:10.200 --> 1:32:13.040 kids that are incarcerated right now only because they started 1:32:13.040 --> 1:32:16.759 playing sports so young that their brain is damage and rage, aggression, 1:32:16.840 --> 1:32:20.240 and pulsivity. I'll emanate from the prefrontal cortex damage, which 1:32:20.280 --> 1:32:22.800 is right behind the forehead and assumes the majority of 1:32:22.800 --> 1:32:26.920 the trauma that these kids are are are are being 1:32:26.960 --> 1:32:28.439 exposed to in contact sports. 1:32:28.520 --> 1:32:30.759 You know, I'm sure there's some folks listening and maybe 1:32:30.800 --> 1:32:33.519 being dismissive about this, going, oh, come on, okay, so 1:32:33.560 --> 1:32:35.200 you get you know, bump your head a little bit. 1:32:35.280 --> 1:32:37.880 You know, you made your body, We've developed as human beings, 1:32:37.880 --> 1:32:40.439 We've evolved, or maybe God made imperfect people, depending on 1:32:40.439 --> 1:32:42.080 how you look. And then you're telling me just the 1:32:42.200 --> 1:32:44.720 notion of living your life and drying your brain is 1:32:44.760 --> 1:32:46.599 going to cause someone to be a serial killer by 1:32:46.640 --> 1:32:49.760 the time they're sixteen or seventeen. You know, I get 1:32:49.760 --> 1:32:52.559 the extremism, and that maybe that argument that you would pushback, 1:32:52.560 --> 1:32:55.360 you would get from that, but we know scientifically that 1:32:56.120 --> 1:33:02.160 concussive repetition is causing problems, you know, the more severe ites. 1:33:02.240 --> 1:33:04.960 Certainly early on when it said when's a full blown concussion. Yeah, 1:33:05.000 --> 1:33:06.920 you can see it, but later on in life. I 1:33:06.920 --> 1:33:09.320 think there is something there that the constant jarring and 1:33:09.720 --> 1:33:14.000 the NonStop assault on your brain causes some of these 1:33:14.040 --> 1:33:15.960 things later in life. I mean, it seems to me 1:33:16.000 --> 1:33:17.680 to be a pretty clear connection. And I'm just a 1:33:17.760 --> 1:33:18.240 lay person. 1:33:19.160 --> 1:33:21.840 Oh no, sure, you're absolutely correct. And unfortunately, we were 1:33:21.880 --> 1:33:24.479 contacted by a family yesterday who just lost their son. 1:33:24.800 --> 1:33:28.559 He jumped off a bridge and his only contact sport 1:33:28.760 --> 1:33:30.720 was he liked to head the soccer ball, and he 1:33:30.760 --> 1:33:34.120 started heading the soccer ball kind of obsessively around the 1:33:34.120 --> 1:33:37.320 age of six or seven, and they watched their son degrade. 1:33:37.320 --> 1:33:39.840 And because they had no knowledge that it was the 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:42.880 heading that was causing the mental illness, this kid had 1:33:42.920 --> 1:33:46.439 been to multiple psychiatric counselors, been all through treatment, been 1:33:46.760 --> 1:33:49.200 on every kind of drug because everybody thought he had 1:33:49.200 --> 1:33:52.880 a brain problem. It was never associated with contact sports. 1:33:53.400 --> 1:33:56.160 The issue of subconcussive trauma is not taught in any 1:33:56.240 --> 1:34:00.600 medical nursing or psychiatric institution of learning in the America. 1:34:00.720 --> 1:34:02.880 So if parents have no recourse they had, they cannot 1:34:02.880 --> 1:34:05.800 make informed decisions. When my son came to me and said, hey, Dad, 1:34:05.800 --> 1:34:08.439 I want to play football and he's already a heavy wrestler. 1:34:08.560 --> 1:34:10.679 I said, okay, who dies in this thing, let's man 1:34:10.760 --> 1:34:13.880 up right, and so but I ended up allowing my 1:34:13.960 --> 1:34:16.880 son to be exposed to more trauma, which you know, 1:34:17.040 --> 1:34:20.439 after you know, being his brain was validated and studied 1:34:20.800 --> 1:34:23.519 shown to be the cause of the trauma through his brain, 1:34:23.960 --> 1:34:28.640 that was then you know, causing his schizophrenia and depression 1:34:28.920 --> 1:34:31.679 and causing him to take his life. This happens around 1:34:31.720 --> 1:34:34.880 the country and we are absolutely uninformed about this as 1:34:34.920 --> 1:34:38.040 a society. And just by mitigating stuff. If we took 1:34:38.080 --> 1:34:40.879 contact drills out of high school football, we could eliminate 1:34:40.920 --> 1:34:43.760 sixty to eighty percent of the subcust of trauma. If 1:34:43.800 --> 1:34:47.479 we stopped exposing kids heads till fourteen, when the prefuntal 1:34:47.520 --> 1:34:51.599 portex starts to develop, we could make a massive debt 1:34:51.960 --> 1:34:55.240 and the amount of mental illnesses that are resulting from this. 1:34:55.479 --> 1:34:58.480 Even in the military right now, we trained so realistically 1:34:58.720 --> 1:34:59.960 we are having special operation. 1:35:00.040 --> 1:35:01.280 This guy him a former Green. 1:35:01.120 --> 1:35:05.679 Berasard major demonstrating mental health just because they train around 1:35:05.760 --> 1:35:08.880 too many explosions like they're going the war. So it's 1:35:08.920 --> 1:35:12.000 like you're you're comment about, we're always always in sports. 1:35:12.120 --> 1:35:14.639 Kids are playing sports. You can play football year round. 1:35:14.680 --> 1:35:18.400 Now we are harming our children just through obsession with 1:35:18.520 --> 1:35:20.880 these sports and their passion for these sports of the 1:35:20.960 --> 1:35:21.679 sports as well. 1:35:22.040 --> 1:35:23.679 And I think there's something there, by the way, thanks 1:35:23.680 --> 1:35:27.360 for your service. I know a sergeant major that I've 1:35:27.360 --> 1:35:29.680 heard that before too, is that we have soldiers and 1:35:29.720 --> 1:35:34.080 sailors that are around concussion, concussive devices, right, explosive devices, 1:35:34.200 --> 1:35:36.879 artillery and the like, and it's NonStop. 1:35:36.880 --> 1:35:37.559 It's a barrage. 1:35:37.680 --> 1:35:39.800 And what happens is that jars your brain much like 1:35:39.840 --> 1:35:42.759 getting hit because you feel it, you know, it literally 1:35:42.760 --> 1:35:47.479 makes you move, takes your breath away. That repetition is 1:35:47.640 --> 1:35:49.760 never accounted for when we're talking about things like this. 1:35:49.840 --> 1:35:51.840 And so we have a we have people who served 1:35:51.880 --> 1:35:53.600 in a military that that are turning on and we 1:35:53.600 --> 1:35:55.800 think it's because of their service and the connection to 1:35:56.120 --> 1:35:59.280 higher suicide rates and the mental illness that soldiers and 1:35:59.280 --> 1:36:02.240 sailors have, and it may be in ef fact, maybe 1:36:02.280 --> 1:36:03.599 part of this says to do with their training. 1:36:04.680 --> 1:36:06.720 I am at a conference right now today to look 1:36:06.720 --> 1:36:11.240 at blast exposure and its effect on military services brains. 1:36:11.600 --> 1:36:14.840 And we are now pushing hard and there is recognition 1:36:14.920 --> 1:36:18.400 in the military that a lot of the mental illnesses 1:36:18.439 --> 1:36:22.559 and suicidality that has that has occurred over the past 1:36:22.880 --> 1:36:26.320 could be associated yet was never attributed to their mental 1:36:26.520 --> 1:36:30.200 to their military service. Again, a huge oversight in the 1:36:30.200 --> 1:36:33.400 way we have looked at things that we assume to 1:36:33.479 --> 1:36:36.640 be innocent because they don't affect us like you could be. 1:36:36.760 --> 1:36:39.479 I've been around thousands of explosions, right and you can 1:36:39.640 --> 1:36:41.720 or you know, I've been tackled on rugby fields. I 1:36:41.760 --> 1:36:44.360 played semi professional rugby. You get up, you make the 1:36:44.400 --> 1:36:47.439 next hit, you assume you're okay. We as society have 1:36:47.560 --> 1:36:51.080 to understand the risk and dangers of these continuous forms 1:36:51.080 --> 1:36:53.680 of exposure. What is doing to our brains, both that 1:36:53.800 --> 1:36:56.479 for kids and veterans and professional athletes. 1:36:57.520 --> 1:36:59.000 I guess the other part of the problem here too. 1:36:59.040 --> 1:37:02.240 By the way, on the show's Bruce Parkman and Bruce's 1:37:02.720 --> 1:37:06.880 former Green Beret, a Sergeant major, lost his son to 1:37:07.080 --> 1:37:10.519 what they believe is exposure to concussive and subconcussive trauma 1:37:11.040 --> 1:37:14.599 and from youth sports, from wrestling and from football, and 1:37:15.240 --> 1:37:19.360 ultimately took his own life at seventeen after battling mental 1:37:19.400 --> 1:37:23.120 illness and what we've seen in athletes, particularly professional athletes, 1:37:23.360 --> 1:37:27.120 is with each in every transgression, each and every head injury, 1:37:27.320 --> 1:37:30.160 it gets easier to become concussed. And now you develop 1:37:30.200 --> 1:37:33.320 a pattern what effects not only your senses, but it 1:37:33.360 --> 1:37:36.200 affects who you are, your personality, which makes you much 1:37:36.280 --> 1:37:39.000 much more dangerous. And so we're starting to learn the 1:37:39.000 --> 1:37:41.479 effects much more of not just one or two a 1:37:41.520 --> 1:37:46.040 couple head traumas, but over the years repetitive head injuries, 1:37:46.080 --> 1:37:48.679 and especially the ones in a sport like soccer, which 1:37:48.680 --> 1:37:50.519 we love here in Cincinnati with a you know, we've 1:37:50.520 --> 1:37:52.879 got a major league soccer team, we've got a pipeline 1:37:52.920 --> 1:37:54.840 for kids to play, and no one's suggesting we should 1:37:54.840 --> 1:37:58.280 stop that, but you know, the repetitive micro traumas that 1:37:58.400 --> 1:37:58.840 kids have. 1:37:59.760 --> 1:38:01.280 We're starting to see some data. 1:38:01.000 --> 1:38:05.040 On this now, yes, sir, I mean when ct was 1:38:05.080 --> 1:38:08.000 found by doctor Omalu in two thousand and nine, it 1:38:08.120 --> 1:38:10.679 was found in fifty and sixty year old men. Well, 1:38:10.760 --> 1:38:13.000 now we're finding it in twenty and thirty year olds. 1:38:13.000 --> 1:38:14.800 As a matter of fact, quick story, I funded a 1:38:14.800 --> 1:38:18.519 study at Boston University because I challenged them on the 1:38:18.520 --> 1:38:21.080 evaluation of my son's brain for CTE. He did not 1:38:21.160 --> 1:38:24.160 have CTE, and I asked him, did you find structural damage? 1:38:24.200 --> 1:38:25.439 And then they asked me why, and they said, well, I 1:38:25.439 --> 1:38:27.880 wrote a book for parents, I read over one hundred 1:38:27.920 --> 1:38:31.519 couple hundred research papers, and you know, long story short, 1:38:31.600 --> 1:38:34.680 I am convinced that the structural damage is what's contributing 1:38:34.720 --> 1:38:36.760 to these mental illnesses. They went back and looked at 1:38:36.800 --> 1:38:41.080 every brain under thirty at the Unit Bank, NFL players, 1:38:41.120 --> 1:38:45.800 college players, and to children, the seventeen year olds that 1:38:45.800 --> 1:38:48.040 are up there like my son. What they found out 1:38:48.080 --> 1:38:50.599 was that one hundred percent of the brains had structural damage, 1:38:50.680 --> 1:38:53.280 one hundred percent of those brains had psychological disorders, and 1:38:53.360 --> 1:38:56.200 eighty percent of the diabuce suicide and overdose, even though 1:38:56.240 --> 1:38:59.120 only forty percent had CTE. So you're right, it is 1:38:59.120 --> 1:39:02.760 the continuous exposure that is the big problem here. Now, 1:39:03.000 --> 1:39:07.000 if our kids played, say you wait until fourteen, we 1:39:07.120 --> 1:39:09.679 recommend eighteen. You're an adult, you want to hurt yourself, smoke, 1:39:09.760 --> 1:39:12.200 do whatever you can make your decision. We'll never get 1:39:12.320 --> 1:39:13.880 contact sports out of high school. 1:39:13.880 --> 1:39:14.320 We know this. 1:39:14.439 --> 1:39:17.360 Or our compromise is if you wait till fourteen before 1:39:17.400 --> 1:39:21.800 you start, you play green safe sports, flag football, baseball, basketball, right, 1:39:22.200 --> 1:39:26.120 you can't avoid the occasional concussion. But then you start 1:39:26.160 --> 1:39:28.800 at fourteen and you just pick one sport and then 1:39:28.840 --> 1:39:31.200 you rest for the rest of the year. Play tiddley winks, 1:39:31.360 --> 1:39:34.040 play not play green sake sports. Study, you know, play 1:39:34.040 --> 1:39:37.360 your video games, go study, get ready for college. Right, 1:39:37.600 --> 1:39:39.840 you know, then you're ahead of the game, and you're 1:39:39.920 --> 1:39:42.880 probably going to be absolutely fine. Now, we do have 1:39:43.000 --> 1:39:46.200 kids that are with my son that started contact sports 1:39:46.240 --> 1:39:48.680 at fourteen, so there is a risk there, But they 1:39:48.800 --> 1:39:51.599 might have played excessively, they might have played way too much. 1:39:51.960 --> 1:39:54.559 But we know that if we wait till fourteen and 1:39:54.640 --> 1:39:58.200 we can just start taking the concussiveness out of our 1:39:58.280 --> 1:40:01.520 child's life, we give them a better chance. Personally, nowadays, 1:40:01.560 --> 1:40:04.960 I would say baseball, track and field, basketball, volleyball, all 1:40:05.040 --> 1:40:08.160 day long. Stay away from these things only because it's 1:40:08.160 --> 1:40:11.040 our children. Nobody wants to be in my shoes. But 1:40:11.080 --> 1:40:12.960 then when you're an adult, the same thing. You know, 1:40:13.000 --> 1:40:16.519 it's it's we these football players. I have NFL friends 1:40:16.600 --> 1:40:19.080 right now and they are all a mess man and 1:40:19.120 --> 1:40:21.360 they all do not let their kids play these sports. 1:40:21.520 --> 1:40:24.799 And if those folks are saying my kids ain't playing sports, 1:40:24.840 --> 1:40:28.200 and I absolutely support what your foundation's saying. They've lived it, 1:40:28.200 --> 1:40:30.920 they've walked the life, They've made money. They can't enjoy 1:40:30.960 --> 1:40:33.680 their life. They can't enjoy their money. They're having a 1:40:33.720 --> 1:40:36.479 horrible time with us in They tell me flat out 1:40:36.760 --> 1:40:39.880 that there is there is a huge problem with this 1:40:39.960 --> 1:40:43.000 in the NFL, with the with the retired players, and 1:40:43.040 --> 1:40:43.599 it's a shame. 1:40:43.680 --> 1:40:43.840 Man. 1:40:43.880 --> 1:40:46.439 They gave me my Sundays. I love my Sundays and 1:40:46.520 --> 1:40:50.040 my doritos. But it's not that you know, there's NHL players, 1:40:50.120 --> 1:40:53.600 rugby players, soccer players. Right now, a soccer player, a 1:40:53.640 --> 1:40:55.679 soccer ball hits ahead at one hundred and thirty miles 1:40:55.720 --> 1:40:58.720 an hour up to that's a massive joke, and we 1:40:58.760 --> 1:41:00.320 see them heading the balls all the time. I'm saying, 1:41:00.360 --> 1:41:02.160 it's just just some topics there, man. 1:41:02.200 --> 1:41:04.200 No, I youree hundred percent right. 1:41:04.240 --> 1:41:06.639 But I think in Bruce, I don't want to say 1:41:06.640 --> 1:41:08.360 this because of what you've been through with your son 1:41:08.880 --> 1:41:11.400 taking his own life and serving our country and seeing 1:41:11.400 --> 1:41:14.280 all the stuff firsthand. When it comes to repetitive concussive trauma, 1:41:14.320 --> 1:41:19.920 subconcussive subconcussive trauma is starting contact sports at fourteen, I 1:41:19.960 --> 1:41:21.240 don't know if there's ever going to happen. I don't 1:41:21.240 --> 1:41:23.599 think Grimmy'll put the toothpaste back in the two because 1:41:23.640 --> 1:41:26.360 of well, it starts with competitive dads and moms and 1:41:26.400 --> 1:41:28.640 they want their kid to be successful and get the scholarship, 1:41:28.680 --> 1:41:30.640 be a star, and the kid loves the sport and 1:41:30.680 --> 1:41:33.240 loves to play. My nephew grew up playing hockey. You 1:41:33.240 --> 1:41:35.320 couldn't get a stick out of his hand. He's at 1:41:35.520 --> 1:41:38.920 Miami University now. But I just don't see because there's 1:41:38.960 --> 1:41:42.479 so much money involved in you sports and contact you sports. 1:41:42.760 --> 1:41:44.040 I don't see that ever changing. 1:41:45.360 --> 1:41:48.400 I don't think it. I think it will change as 1:41:48.520 --> 1:41:52.200 the as the effects become more known and parents are 1:41:52.240 --> 1:41:54.200 more and well, right now you have parents that are 1:41:54.200 --> 1:41:56.400 non informed, saying yeah, put a hockey stick, put a 1:41:56.400 --> 1:41:58.560 helmet in the kid's head, lit him play hockey, and 1:41:58.720 --> 1:42:01.719 start checking at eleven I think is eleven to twelve 1:42:01.800 --> 1:42:04.520 is the age they start checking. Well, remember that prefrontal 1:42:04.560 --> 1:42:07.639 cortext that the CEO of the brain doesn't start developing 1:42:07.760 --> 1:42:11.800 till fourteen. That's why scientifically we asked that parents wait 1:42:11.880 --> 1:42:15.960 till then, because without a functioning prefuntal cortex, you have 1:42:16.200 --> 1:42:20.400 a dysfunctional adult guarantee. So you know, if you want 1:42:20.439 --> 1:42:22.400 to take that risk and you think that Jimmy's going 1:42:22.479 --> 1:42:24.000 to be playing in the NHL and being on a 1:42:24.000 --> 1:42:26.720 weedy box, all right, go for it, Okay, but you're 1:42:26.720 --> 1:42:30.240 harming your children. And that's why we're pushing for formed consent. 1:42:30.600 --> 1:42:32.680 So if you know you're doing it, that's on you. 1:42:33.000 --> 1:42:35.639 But you as a parent, if you had the option 1:42:35.920 --> 1:42:39.679 of playing hockey or playing soccer without hitting the ball, 1:42:39.880 --> 1:42:42.720 or baseball or a sport that you knew in your 1:42:42.720 --> 1:42:46.080 heart of hearts was not going to jeopardize the future 1:42:46.080 --> 1:42:48.760 of your child, that what sport would you pick that? 1:42:49.600 --> 1:42:51.720 And that's what we're saying now, we're pushing for in 1:42:51.840 --> 1:42:53.559 formed consents. You know, that's all. You know. 1:42:53.680 --> 1:42:55.840 It's not a fan, but you're right. 1:42:56.240 --> 1:42:57.800 And I think personally, I think the thing is this, 1:42:57.880 --> 1:43:00.400 it's kind of like social media so to up in 1:43:00.400 --> 1:43:02.600 the last twenty or fifteen years, and we didn't know 1:43:02.640 --> 1:43:04.720 anything of it. Now we're starting to see because we're 1:43:04.720 --> 1:43:07.000 starting to see results of this and why it's bad. 1:43:07.040 --> 1:43:09.080 And now we're starting to take phones away from kids 1:43:09.080 --> 1:43:11.400 in classrooms, which I think is great. We you know, 1:43:11.640 --> 1:43:14.080 anything new is going to have upside and downside. And 1:43:14.240 --> 1:43:16.320 it's only been what since two thousand and nine we've 1:43:16.360 --> 1:43:19.160 learned about CTE and really started taking seriously and starting 1:43:19.160 --> 1:43:21.880 to understand the brain. And I think in a generation 1:43:22.200 --> 1:43:23.640 of what you're talking about is going to come to 1:43:23.640 --> 1:43:25.680 fruition because my parents are going to go, hey, if 1:43:25.680 --> 1:43:28.680 the data is in, it's inconclusive, it's unconclusive. I mean 1:43:28.680 --> 1:43:31.880 it's conclusive rather than unconclusive, and I'm not gonna let 1:43:31.880 --> 1:43:33.320 my son or daughter to play this. And I think 1:43:33.360 --> 1:43:35.479 it's start to see youth sports change because of the 1:43:35.520 --> 1:43:39.640 work you're doing, Bruce Parkman, Youth contact sports, understanding the 1:43:39.680 --> 1:43:42.720 hidden risks of mental illness from early exposure to concussive trauma. 1:43:42.800 --> 1:43:44.960 If your kid plays sports, you got to check this out. 1:43:46.000 --> 1:43:48.680 And again, thanks again for the time, Bruce, all the. 1:43:48.600 --> 1:43:51.680 Best, Hey, thank you so much. You remember sure that 1:43:51.720 --> 1:43:53.920 we did. The book I wrote is free for any 1:43:53.960 --> 1:43:57.040 parent that wants to Just contact the Mac Parkman Foundation 1:43:57.120 --> 1:43:59.240 and will send them a digital copy and they can 1:43:59.280 --> 1:44:00.360 make the decision. 1:44:00.040 --> 1:44:02.439 For their child that they exactly one and I'll get 1:44:02.439 --> 1:44:05.360 The website is MP fact dot com. 1:44:05.479 --> 1:44:09.160 MP fact dot com. Bruce, thanks again, man all right, 1:44:09.200 --> 1:44:09.880 Thanks a lot, Blash. 1:44:09.920 --> 1:44:11.639 You take care. I'll come back anytime. 1:44:11.760 --> 1:44:12.200 Talk care. 1:44:12.680 --> 1:44:15.479 Keep it at sports related, Thanks Bruce, Sarah day off 1:44:15.520 --> 1:44:18.439 today with Marti Groo. Happened last night, so we're chasing 1:44:18.520 --> 1:44:20.720 recovery mode as it is. Tom Runneman so I think 1:44:20.800 --> 1:44:23.000 John John for that matter, I am here. I'm toughing 1:44:23.040 --> 1:44:25.720 it out Willie on the way AFTERNOWS on the home 1:44:25.720 --> 1:44:27.240 of those red seven hundred www. 1:44:27.400 --> 1:44:28.000 Cincinnati