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Speaker 2: you some hot phone calls. Beginning at nine o'clock, we

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Speaker 2: have a four interesting guests here. Theme tonight is the

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Speaker 2: Dangers of Christmas time and also the possibilities of Christmas time.

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Speaker 2: So we have four guests coming up, going to be

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Speaker 2: talking with Massachusetts State Senator Nick Collins at the nine

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Speaker 2: And we'll talk with Dave Paleologus, the Suffolk University Boston

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Speaker 2: Globe pollster, about a poll that he released just a

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Speaker 2: good poll from the point of view of keeping Massachusetts together.

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Speaker 2: But we'll get to all of that, I promise. First

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Speaker 2: guest tonight is Rory erlik. Rory is a new economy

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Speaker 2: campaign associated with the Public Interest Research Group, also known

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Speaker 2: as PERG Rory. First question, are you a local guy

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Speaker 3: Hi, Well, thanks so much for having me on. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: so I grew up in Soilasia, but I went to

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Speaker 3: So kind of look all you could say, well, nothing.

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Speaker 2: Wrong with that. Absolutely, if you're a jumbo, you're local.

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Speaker 2: I have plenty of friends who are toughs graduates. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: So this year you have what's called the fortieth annual

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Speaker 2: Trouble in Toilet and report. It sounds like a downer,

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Speaker 2: But this year, I guess the market has a lot

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Speaker 2: of artificial intelligence toys and you're concerned that some of

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Speaker 2: there was some some toys that came out, like a

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Speaker 2: Chatty Kathy or something like that twenty years ago, where

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Speaker 2: of the chatty Caddies which were scatty Cathy's, which were inappropriate.

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Speaker 2: But now it's even a little more genuinely dangerous. Explain

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you're totally right. Talking toys are not new.

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Speaker 3: You know, some books might remember Teddy Ruxpin. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: So these toys that you're talking about there they're interactive. Uh,

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Speaker 3: Age range, it's a real range. But some of the

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Speaker 2: And I suppose that that AI and AI being incorporated

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a bit of a wild West now. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, the problem is that they're an interstate commerce. These

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Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time. So again, give

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Speaker 2: if they just google trouble in Toyland and PERG I

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Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.

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Speaker 2: Joined by Jeff Hall, Regional communications Marketing program manager for

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Speaker 2: the American Red Cross at Massachusetts. Jeff has been with

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Speaker 2: Look, I know what this time of year, normally Red

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Speaker 2: Jeff. Merry Christmas and happy Holidays and all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, as we continue along on a very chilly Monday

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Speaker 5: I have no idea the number. But there are about

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Speaker 2: How difficult it is is it for people? And again,

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Speaker 2: Now, generally, you know Christmas trees, you have an idea

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Speaker 4: Well, every year of the prices seem to be going up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do most Christmas tree farms allow you to cut

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Speaker 5: customer so they don't have to touch the tree until

436
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Speaker 5: it gets to their car. But that's kind of one

437
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 5: end of the spectrum as far as full full service

438
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 5: is concerned. But the average Christmas tree farm just hands

439
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,959
Speaker 5: out a saw and lets the customer do it.

440
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Speaker 2: But it's a manual handsaw, not anything that that's has

441
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 2: power to it. Okay, now, where's where's your Christmas tree farm? You?

442
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Speaker 2: You you have a farm? You call that Arrowhead? What

443
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Speaker 2: what town are you in?

444
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Speaker 5: Arrowheadachres is in Oxbridge, mass You're a little south of Worcester. Yes,

445
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 5: fifteen miles south of Worcester. But unfortunately we're sold out

446
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 5: for the season. The Christmas tree farm idea has gotten

447
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 5: a lot of publicity in recent years and we can't

448
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 5: grow them fast enough. So right now there's probably thirty

449
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 5: of the one hundred farms that are closed for the season.

450
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Speaker 5: The weekend after Thanksgiving is really our big weekend.

451
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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about when you people get the

452
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Speaker 2: Christmas tree. Well, let me first of all, what are

453
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Speaker 2: the varieties we've had different Christmas trees over the years,

454
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Speaker 2: And I give us the major varieties that people can

455
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Speaker 2: choose from.

456
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 5: Fraser fur and balsam for the most popular in this area.

457
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 5: And then there's another one that they've had the best marketing.

458
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 5: They actually originate from the Carolinas, but everybody seems to

459
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 5: think that that's the best tree there is, so everyone's

460
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 5: seems to be looking for a fraser for or balsam for.

461
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 5: The balsams can't really be grown east of Worcester. They're

462
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 5: they're best grown west of Worcester, so they they're much

463
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 5: more popular in the western part of the state. But

464
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 5: then there's another tree that's gaining in popularity. It's called

465
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Speaker 5: the con color. He break the needles, they smell like tangerines.

466
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 5: They've got a longer needle, and they look they are

467
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 5: a fluffier looking tree, and they hold their needles very well.

468
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 5: It will last for months. But those are the most

469
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 5: popular in this area.

470
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Speaker 2: How become popular because I've never heard of that. Was

471
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Speaker 2: that introduced into our area or is that brought in

472
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Speaker 2: from other states?

473
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Speaker 5: It's mostly grown in the state. There aren't many wholesale

474
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Speaker 5: dealers that are selling the fraser. The con color are

475
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Speaker 5: white furs because it's also called but I'm not sure

476
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 5: whether it's the unique uh smell the aroma. The smells

477
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 5: like tangerines basically when you break the needles.

478
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: Pretty nice, pretty nice aroma to have around the house.

479
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 2: So generally, once you get the tree at home and

480
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 2: you have had had the struggle to put it up

481
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: and all of that. Uh, and you're going to have

482
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: stories about the tree falling over.

483
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Speaker 4: What.

484
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: Obviously you want to keep water in the base of

485
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: the tree. I've heard absolutely say you got to put

486
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: a couple of sugar cubes in there. What's what's truth

487
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 2: and what is just old Christmas tales?

488
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Speaker 4: Uh.

489
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 5: Cut half an inch off any tree that was pre cut,

490
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Speaker 5: and then set it up in the stand and start

491
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 5: it with hot water, hot tap water, not boiling water,

492
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 5: but hot tap water, and that will tend to dissolve

493
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 5: any sap seal that has formed on the base of

494
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Speaker 5: the tree. And then.

495
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 4: Just make sure that the water never goes below the

496
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 4: bottom of the tree, otherwise that sap seal will form

497
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,239
Speaker 4: again and it will restrict the flow of water up

498
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 4: into the tree. If that does happen, then my best

499
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 4: suggestion is to try hot water again, or continually put

500
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 4: hot water into the tree. But the additives that you

501
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 4: pay for or the home remedies are all a farce.

502
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 5: Nothing. The tests have proven that nothing preserves the tree

503
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 5: better than an unending supply of water.

504
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes a lot of sense, and you're also

505
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: going to save you some aggravation. And then once the

506
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: tree is set up, but obviously people set it up

507
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: at different times. Realistically, realistically, at what point does it

508
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: become dangerous to keep the tree any longer than some people?

509
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: I know I'll keep it through New Years. Some people

510
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: even keep it till Little Christmas. What is your best

511
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: suggestion on that? Assuming it's a healthy tree when you

512
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: get it home.

513
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 5: We tell you should be able to keep it through

514
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 5: New Year's But we have documented on our website a

515
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 5: tree that we cut November, decorated for Christmas, Valentine's Day,

516
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 5: Saint Patrick's Day, and then Easter. So that tree lasted

517
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 5: five months. But again that was a tree cut on

518
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 5: the farm. It wasn't cut in North Carolina or Canada

519
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 5: and shipped over the road.

520
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have Again, people should never underestimate if a

521
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: Christmas tree ever ignites, they go up really quickly.

522
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 5: If they had dried out, they do if they're fresh. Actually,

523
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 5: we do demonstrations here on the farm with a blow

524
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 5: torch on a live tree and it won't like.

525
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you that's that's good to hear then,

526
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: because I lived in a in a rural area at

527
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: one point and would the tree out at the end

528
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: of the Christmas season early, you know, January first or

529
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Speaker 2: January second, and then once burning season started sometime in

530
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: early February, go out there and light it up, and

531
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: it went quickly. So it's something to be concerned about.

532
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: They're beautiful, but like anything, they have to be handled properly.

533
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Speaker 2: I really appreciate all the time. Dave. Okay, did you

534
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: want to add something, Go ahead.

535
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 5: I was going to say the same thing applies to

536
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 5: an artificial tree. They had an artificial tree in the

537
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 5: Massachusetts State House one year that that went up in flames,

538
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 5: and that was worse than a real tree growing up

539
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 5: in flames because all the toxic fumes were released and

540
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 5: they had to evacuate the entire state house. So that'd

541
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Speaker 5: be careful either way.

542
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Dave, thank you very much for your time tonight,

543
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: and Merry Christmas to you and yours.

544
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 5: Thank you very much.

545
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: All right, have a great night. We get back on

546
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: talk with Kate Peters. She's the director of Residential Energy

547
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: Efficiency Ever's source. We'll get some tips on that how

548
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: we can maybe cut down on our ever Source bill

549
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: or all of our electric energy bills. Coming back on

550
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: Nightside right after this.

551
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio.

552
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: Delighted to be joined by Keith Peters. She's the director

553
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: of Residential Energy Efficiency Forever Source. Kate, I know that

554
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: everybody wants to talk about the prices that people are

555
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: going to be paying this winter, particularly with the cold.

556
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: Just just a real quick question on the overview. Is

557
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: the situation looking any better as we as we really

558
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: get into the cold weather. I want to get into

559
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: the specific suggestions you're going to have, but I want

560
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: to just look real quickly at the at that overall

561
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: concern that I know people have.

562
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Speaker 6: Sure, Dan, well, but the one thing we can't control

563
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 6: here is the weather, and it was pretty cold today.

564
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 6: So I work for the energy efficiency division at ever Source,

565
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 6: and so our focus is really informing people how they

566
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 6: can reduce energy use so that they can help to

567
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 6: mitigate those those energy bills, especially in the winter when

568
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 6: we're looking at cold days. So whether it's weatherizing your

569
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 6: home to save on heating fuel or talking about some

570
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 6: of the you know, ways you can reduce electric use.

571
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Speaker 6: That's primarily my job.

572
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: No, it's so well, let's let's get right to that then. Obviously,

573
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: you know, I know that you have the mass Save program,

574
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: but in terms of that's not going to work today

575
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: or tomorrow for most people unless it's already installed. What

576
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: are some of the tips that people should be thinking

577
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: about as the thermometer fluctuates in the next few weeks,

578
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: you know, the next few weeks, it's going to be

579
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: it's going to be cold. I think that's we've got

580
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: the message. What what can we do in terms of heat?

581
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: What can we do in terms of electrical usage as well?

582
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: You get the Christmas season and a lot of people

583
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: have lights around the house. Take whichever one of those

584
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: you want to take for ust, go right.

585
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 6: Ahead, definitely we can talk about both of them. I'll

586
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 6: start with some of the light usage. You know, we've

587
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 6: all people are decorating, people are having parties, it's the

588
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 6: holiday season, and that can all increase energy use just

589
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 6: as that cold starts to hit. So a couple things

590
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 6: to think about when you're doing outdoor decorations. You definitely

591
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 6: want those on timers, whether it's your lights or your

592
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 6: maybe inflatables in your lot, in your yard. There's all

593
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 6: kinds of options out there now, but they do not

594
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 6: need to be running all night. And if you're like

595
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 6: me and you put the kids to bed and you're tired,

596
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 6: sometimes you forget to go down and turn those off.

597
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 6: So just having it on timer actually makes a big difference. Also,

598
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 6: using LED lights rather than non LEDs does make a difference.

599
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 6: Some people worry about the color. They like that warm

600
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 6: light from the more traditional bulbs, but there's a lot

601
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 6: of options out there, so look for different color options

602
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 6: if that's a concern, but use those LEDs when you can.

603
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: Coming back to the time is coming back to the

604
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: times for some for those of us who are not,

605
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: you know, electrically gifted. One, how difficult is it? I

606
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: know how to work a timer on a light inside

607
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: a house, but how difficult is it to work with

608
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: a timer on outdoor electrical lights? Is it? Do you

609
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: need an electrician for that? Or can that be something

610
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: that most people can figure out in their own now

611
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 2: most of them.

612
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 6: There's a bunch of options and you can plug them

613
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 6: right into your power strip or wherever it is that

614
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 6: you have your outdoor lights connected and it'll just control

615
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 6: it from there, and you can get one that's as

616
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 6: simple as like it uses little buttons on it, or

617
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 6: you can get some that are more you know, electronic

618
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 6: and connected to your phone. So there's several options, but

619
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 6: it's not complicated, and you can plug it right into

620
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 6: you know, your your power source where you're outdoor lights

621
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Speaker 6: are plugged in.

622
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: All right, And of course heat is a big factor

623
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: at this at this point, some tips that you might have, obviously,

624
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: I hope people have at this point. If they do

625
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 2: have storm windows that they have either put them up

626
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: or you know, close them for the winter. I think

627
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: that makes a huge difference. But but I'm sure you

628
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: have some better ideas than that.

629
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's definitely something people are thinking about, you know,

630
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 6: Like you were saying earlier, one of the best things

631
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 6: you can do is to weatherize the home. But you know,

632
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 6: if you're looking at tomorrow, you can't get that done overnight,

633
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 6: so think ahead on that piece. But then if you

634
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 6: are kind of in your home and you're feeling chilly,

635
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 6: make sure you've got good curtains on the windows. Drawing

636
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 6: those curtains can help prevent drafts. Using rugs on the

637
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 6: floor can help prevent you from feeling chilli. You want

638
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 6: to look at your heating system and if you have

639
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 6: different zones in your house, say you're upstairs for the

640
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 6: night and you're not really using the downstairs anymore, you

641
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 6: can turn down the heat in the downstairs to save

642
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 6: on energy while you leave it up a little bit

643
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 6: in the upstairs where you are to feel comfortable. Definitely

644
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 6: check for leaks and drafts around your doors. You can

645
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 6: use weather stripping. That's something that you can do yourself,

646
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 6: especially some of those storm doors that maybe you're not

647
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 6: using too much right now. Kind of check there, get

648
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 6: them sealed up as much as you can. So just

649
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 6: some kind of basic things around the home can make

650
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 6: a difference, especially looking for drafts and trying to block

651
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 6: those drafts, because when that cool air is kind of

652
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 6: coming in through any cracks or leaks, that will make

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Speaker 6: you feel colder and it will also be drawing the

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Speaker 6: warm air out of your house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the things that that I've found over

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Speaker 2: the years is we have these sort of like they're

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Speaker 2: like almost long, they look like like a snake or

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Speaker 2: something that you can buy them for five bucks ten

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Speaker 2: bucks and just putting them at the base of a door,

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Speaker 2: particularly a door that might not be your front door

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Speaker 2: or your back door you're walking in, but a door

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Speaker 2: that might be out to a porch which you would

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Speaker 2: never use during the wintertime. Uh, just you know, put

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Speaker 2: that at the base of the door, because a lot

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Speaker 2: of a lot of cold air can come in through

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Speaker 2: you know, through the base of a door. And I

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Speaker 2: found that to be a pretty cheap investment that saves

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Speaker 2: quite a bit realistically, in the course of a winter

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Speaker 2: in an average home, if you have one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: of you know, your heating costs that that the average

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Speaker 2: person would, they could care less. They just don't do everything.

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Speaker 2: How much realist do can you? By by paying attention

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Speaker 2: and listening to what you suggest, can you knock your

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Speaker 2: heating bill down ten to fifteen percent or more?

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Speaker 6: Well, it really depends on the home. I'd say for

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Speaker 6: those smaller tips that you and I were just talking about,

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Speaker 6: they're going to make a big difference in comfort because

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Speaker 6: you're protecting yourself from drafts. They'll probably make a little

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Speaker 6: less difference on the overall bill. In order to really

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Speaker 6: impact the overall bill, you know, kind of weatherizing, looking

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Speaker 6: at the insulation in the home, doing some more permanent

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Speaker 6: things is going to have the biggest impact, and that

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Speaker 6: can be fifteen to twenty percent reduction. Doing some of

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Speaker 6: these smaller tips definitely make you more comfortable. And if

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Speaker 6: you can kind of close off a piece of the house,

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Speaker 6: or if you've got you know, heat on that three

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Speaker 6: season porch but you're not really using it and you

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Speaker 6: can turn that heat off for the winter, then you

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Speaker 6: can make an impact. But if it's small items might

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Speaker 6: be more like five percent versus the fifteen or twenty.

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Speaker 6: So a little situational any little bit helps when it's

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Speaker 6: really cold out and we want to make sure that

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Speaker 6: you're paying attention to safety as well, and you know,

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Speaker 6: making sure your pipes don't freeze. So it's a little

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Speaker 6: bit of a talent winter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful sometimes when you look out and you see

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Speaker 2: the snow on the ground, butte you got to be

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Speaker 2: concerned about safety as well as financial considerations. Kate Peters,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much. Eversus. Is there a place on

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Speaker 2: your website that you can direct people to where they

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Speaker 2: can follow up on our conversation.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, we have masssave dot com or we have an

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Speaker 6: eight hundred number one eight six six five two seven saves.

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Speaker 2: Perfect, perfect, Kate Peters, thank you very much. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: again and stay warm, stay here.

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Speaker 4: Spect thanks for having me, well you too, Thank you much.

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Speaker 2: We're going to come back right after the nine o'clock

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Speaker 2: news talk with Massachusetts State Senator Nick Collins about the

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Speaker 2: great Boston property tax debate. Who should foot the bill?

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Speaker 2: We'll talk with Nick Collins, and if you'd like to

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Speaker 2: join the conversation, we'd love to hear from you as well.

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Speaker 2: Coming back on Nightside