1 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: And welcome back. You're listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berline. 2 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: That's me. I'm botanical or manager of Botanical Garden Outreach 3 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: at the Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo. I'm with Mark Wessel, 4 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: chief horticulturist at Gardens Alive. And now we're joined with 5 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: by Joe Boggs. How do you how do you describe Joe? 6 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: What is your official title? 7 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: Joe, Oh, I don't know, just a speaker of insects. 8 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: How that insect? I'm just insect whisperer. 9 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: You're not going to mention the Ohio State University. 10 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: Yes, with the Ohio State University, So well, that's a 11 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: good question. I'm with extension, yeah, very quickly. You know, 12 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: Ohio State University, University, Kentucky, Fordue, they're all land grant university. 13 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: That means they all have extension. And so the land 14 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 2: grants were created by Lincoln in eighteen sixty two, and 15 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: then extension was created in nineteen fourteen to extend the 16 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 2: land grants throughout the states. So we have an office, 17 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 2: for example, in every county of Ohio, and I think 18 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: there's an office in every county of Kentucky and Indiana. 19 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: But the point being is that's what we do. So 20 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: I'm actually an assistant professor and focusing on agriculture and 21 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: natural resources. So it's an r although as you know, 22 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: I mean I work more closely with you and Mark 23 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: and you know folks involved in the green industry. So 24 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: so that's what that's what I do. Well, you really 25 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: tease that out, I. 26 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: Mean didn't I sure did. And and just to just 27 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: to say that you are a researcher par excellence. That's French. 28 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, when when something comes up, you 29 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: figure it out. So you're you're the the go to 30 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: guy that I know of for any kind of insect 31 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: issue or a pest issue, or a disease issue or 32 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: just things that are going on with plants and trees 33 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: and you know in the environment. And uh, we're really 34 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 1: glad to have you here. 35 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 2: Well I appreciate that, Scott. Now I want to say 36 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: right back at you, right, because the fact is, you know, 37 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: we're all involved in solving plant problems, right. You know, 38 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: you're involved with a with a side of plants in 39 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: terms of recognition of what they are, where to plant them. 40 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 2: I mean, you consider that half the battle in terms 41 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: of successful landscaping, successful gardens is just putting the plant 42 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: in the right place. That, yeah, that's all part of diagnostics, 43 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: which is what I do a lot of. And that's 44 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: kind of what you're describing problem solving. Something's going wrong, 45 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: what's happening there, and we all do it, and we 46 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 2: all work together. That's what's so much fun about what 47 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: we all get to do. As you said earlier, you 48 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: and I had a great telephone call earlier this past week. 49 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: I don't remember, you know exactly which day. And that's 50 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: not an age related issue, that's all. But at any rate, 51 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: it's you know, you and I talked about this just 52 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: you know how much of a thrill we both kind 53 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: of came to our careers a little bit late. I 54 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: was really interested in, you know, with you sharing your background, 55 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: which I all this time, Scott. I mean, my goodness, 56 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: I've known you for a lot of years and and 57 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: so I think that makes us even more appreciative of 58 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: these opportunities to learn new things, like for example, if 59 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: it wasn't for NAIs, we may not have won at Yorktown. 60 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: I actually should have. 61 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: If it were not for what we would not have 62 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: won it Yorked out. 63 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: I like that. Anytime I speak Latin, people say you're 64 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: breaking up, you're breaking out. 65 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: No, you literally did break up. So if it were 66 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: not for. 67 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 2: What Anophiales quadrimaculatus. 68 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: Huh Latin again, So what is that story? 69 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: That is one of the primary it's a native mesquillo 70 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: that spreads a non native disease. And the disease is 71 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: the malaria. Actually in the cause of the disease of 72 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: the a little microorganism called a plasmodium, which is actually 73 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: not native to North America. It's native to Africa. And 74 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: if it wasn't for that mosquito, Lord Cornwallis would have 75 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: been in much better shape at Yorktown. 76 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: Making better decisions apparently maybe. 77 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well so so yeah, I know you're talking. You know, 78 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: we're talking about you know, weaving together, you know, different 79 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: facets of the American Revolution, and you know how we 80 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: gained our independence. Well, you know, everyone knows the story 81 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: and that Cornwallace, you know, in basically his surrender in 82 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: Yorktown was you know, brought the end, brought the end 83 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 2: of the revolutionary war with Britain. So we all know 84 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: that story. What we don't know, though, is what we 85 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 2: don't think about is Cornwallace had his army originally then 86 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: in the low country of the Carolinas. Well, while he 87 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 2: was down there, you know, he was facing he was 88 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: facing diseases. His army was I should say that we're 89 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: limiting their ability to move about and to be healthy. Now, 90 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: the American colonists at that time had already had experience 91 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 2: with malaria, and so the strains that you know, we 92 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 2: were dealing with at that time, a lot of the 93 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 2: colonists had had some resistance. They had been there long 94 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: enough to have acquired some resistance, and so that's very important. 95 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: But what's more important was that when Cornwallis moved his 96 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: army to Yorktown, you know, sort of the final dance, 97 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 2: if you will, he was ordered to go into the 98 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: very low Marshy area, which Yorktown is located, you know, 99 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: in a marshy area. Yeah, well as a prime habitat 100 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 2: for this mosquito I should say mosquitos and the genus 101 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: Anophelies are the malarial mosquitoes. So there are other species 102 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: that are in Africa that that can spread the plasmaion 103 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: very easily. Well, and Cornwallace got there. He was there 104 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: the whole. They got there in June, I believe, and 105 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: so he was, you know, hanging out there with his army, 106 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: waiting to get some help from Clinton that was up 107 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: in New York, you know, so all this stuff was 108 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: hopefully coming together. His army eventually started contracting malaria. At 109 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: the time of the approach of the colonists, the Continental 110 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:43,559 Speaker 2: army fifty one percent, so basically half of Cornwallis' army 111 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: was sick, too sick to fight. 112 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: Wow, I did not know that part of that story. 113 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: Isn't that remarkable? I mean, you know, you step back 114 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: and say, well, you know, when we read history, I mean, 115 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: you know, the Continental Army, you know, arrived and and 116 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: they could fight, you know, in the British they were 117 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: just backed up against the water, and of course they 118 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: got cut off by the French. And at all this disaster, well, 119 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: we we tend to overlook. And I'll pay you, Scott. 120 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: This is what to me makes history very fascinating. When 121 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: we we learned, okay, let's pull the curtain back a 122 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: little bit. What else was going on? Well, you lose 123 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: half of your army, you know, they're landing crots, they 124 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: can't get up. Hilarious. 125 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: Of and then the other half is taking care of 126 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: the ones that are sick. 127 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: You know, you know, you're exactly you're exactly right. You've 128 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: just you've sized it up perfectly. So, you know, when 129 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: we watched these movies, and many have been made, several 130 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 2: very good movies. That's it. It's interesting because I've never 131 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: seen that depicted. I've never I've never seen you know, 132 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: these accounts, which would be far more accurate to say, yeah, 133 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: you know, they may be under siege, but only half 134 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 2: of them can respond, and that was the major issue. 135 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 2: He could break out because he didn't have enough enough 136 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 2: you know, healthy troops to do so. 137 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: And then there's you know, the story of the of 138 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: eighteen twelve that were where the British had landed and 139 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: they'd sacked Washington, set it ablaze basically, and that night, yeah, 140 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: the armies camped out and they get hit by a tornado, 141 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:21,479 Speaker 1: the British Army. 142 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 2: Isn't that Yeah, I am so glad. That's fine. You 143 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: that's for the meteorologists, right, I mean, right, okay, the 144 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 2: entomologists are all fired up about Yorktown. But you're exactly 145 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 2: right that by all descriptions, it was a tornado it 146 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: was a few people actually know that. And and frankly 147 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: that was another turning point. 148 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, because they would have finished sacking Washington, the 149 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: fires were put out by the storm, and it could 150 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: it would have been so much worse. They had to 151 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: retreat because of the tornado. 152 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you know, did they retreat to Ohio 153 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 2: where they got more tornadoes. I'm just making but you know. 154 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: Hey, Joe, we've got to take a break. When we 155 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: get back, we'll start talking about some pasts and diseases, 156 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: things that you're seeing out there. 157 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: Okay, that's outstanding. 158 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: Good. Yeah, well you're listening. 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Joe, 199 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: what's happening out there in the garden world right now? 200 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: Well, Scott and Mark, we're starting to transition from you 201 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: know what I say, what I call you know, the spring, 202 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 2: you know, insect disease problems on landscape plants, and we're 203 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: starting to move into the summer issues. In some cases, 204 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 2: what we're seeing now actually started very early in the 205 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: spring and they're just now making themselves known. You know, 206 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 2: for example, you know, during the break, I eventually I 207 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: heard an advertisement for a yellow jacket trap or something 208 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: with yellow jackets. And when we talk yellow jackets, bald 209 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 2: face hornets, and paper wasps collectively, they're all called wasps. 210 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: That fools people a little bit, But bald face hornets 211 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 2: are not a true hornet taxonomically, they're wasps. And of 212 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: course yellow jackets are also wasp and you can sort 213 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: of see why they're called that because their body plans 214 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: are very very similar. But what else puts them in 215 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 2: the same group is that they all make paper nests. 216 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 2: And also they all overwinter, all three over winter as 217 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: fertile ice queens, and they only use their nests, their 218 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 2: paper nests one season. To kind of let's roll the 219 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: clock back. So earlier this spring, we had these mated 220 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: female wasp, the queens, if you will, emerged from their 221 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: overwintering sites some protected place under the bark of trees 222 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: anywhere that they can find, somewhere where they're protected from 223 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: the elements. They emerged and by themselves, they started going 224 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 2: out and using their mandibles to scrape off wood fibers 225 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: and chew those fibers up mixed with saliva to exude 226 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: something very similar to paper. Well, that queen was doing 227 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 2: all this herself, that she had no help, and so 228 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: she started making her you know, the nests were very small. 229 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: I have a picture, for example, of a bald face 230 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: hornet's nest. It was about golf ball size and that 231 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: was that was back in late April. So these nests 232 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: then kind of remain, you know, under our radar for 233 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: quite some time until she lays eggs, and then we 234 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: start seeing. Once those eggs hatch and we get the larvae, 235 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 2: she has to feed them. By the way, very important. 236 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: All of these wasts are primarily meat eaters and they 237 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: are pollinators. I'll let that sink in a little bit, 238 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: so we get a twofer and sometimes we overlook that 239 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: they're very beneficial insects. The meat that they eat, what 240 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: that queen was feeding her young would be things like 241 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: caterpillars or sawfly larvae, so things that we would call 242 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: pests for example. So the wass go out, they grind 243 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: up you know, the meat item they bring this thing 244 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: this literally is called a meat ball. That's kind of 245 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: funny back to the nest to feed to the young. 246 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: But again you know, she was doing all this herself 247 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: at the beginning until we had the first we would 248 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: see the first crop of her young emerge, and then 249 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: we get she started getting the help of some workers. 250 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: Eventually she started getting some help of some additional queens. 251 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: Now that's happening, that's happening right now. The nests are 252 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: now starting to get large enough for us to see them. 253 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: But again, not something you know, let's talk about a 254 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: bald pacee hornet for something up in trees or shrubs. 255 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: Not something we're gonna notice all that well, but we 256 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: can notice them. And of course the terrestial yellow jacket's 257 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: the one that makes the species that makes the nests 258 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: in the ground. This is the time when you mow 259 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: over them and you find out where they live, right 260 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: so they start making their presence right now. And then 261 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: of course the story just unfolds, you know, as the 262 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 2: season progresses and the colony continues to grow. So, as 263 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 2: I said, this is a transition period. Other things that 264 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: we're seeing right now, for example, would be my wife 265 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 2: heard the first dog day cicada this past Thursday. Now 266 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: we're talking about not periodical cicadas, the dog day cicadas 267 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 2: and I need to be kind of careful of that. 268 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,479 Speaker 2: There's actually only one species is called dog day. The 269 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: rest are called annual cicadas. And why they're called annual 270 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: is that we see we see them every year and 271 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: there are several species that come out. Some sing during 272 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: the day. We have one that sings at dusk, which 273 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: is really kind of weird. But they what do they 274 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 2: have in common? Well, they're like the periodical cicadas. Their 275 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 2: life cycle takes about two to three years. And you 276 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: might say, wait a second, wouldn't we see this up 277 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: and down? And to some degree we do, Scott. We 278 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: if you pay attention, you'll see that every year. Because 279 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: the generations overlap, we get some of them, but some 280 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 2: years we get a few more than others. And that's 281 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 2: why some years and seems like, okay, we're hearing a 282 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 2: lot more of these. Of course, you know they start singing. 283 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 2: But then another summertime show up the largest wasp that 284 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 2: we have in Ohio, and that's called the cicada killer. 285 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: I have a story about that one time. 286 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 2: All right, let's hear your story. 287 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: I was walking down a path in my garden and 288 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: coming right at me was a cicada killer wasp carrying 289 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: a cicada, and we did my goods. We did that 290 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: kind of thing where like you're in the hallway with 291 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 1: another person and you go right and they go right, 292 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: and you go back and forth, and finally she just 293 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: hit me square on the chest and fell to the God. Yeah, 294 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: and she's looking at me trying to like carrying this 295 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: heavy cicada that took a lot of energy to get 296 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: airborne in the first place. I swear she looked up 297 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: at me and was giving me the stink eye. 298 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 5: You know, you should offered to carry it to the. 299 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: Next Yeah, I almost did. I understood. I felt so bad. 300 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Well, it was a good thing that 301 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: she was. It was a good thing that she was 302 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 2: occupied at the moment. Because, of course, only the females 303 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: have stingers, right, I mean, with all, with all of 304 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: these singing insects. The proper name for the stinger is 305 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 2: Ova positor, you know, ova egg. So she had a 306 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: long stinger. Now I want to really stress this part 307 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: because this is where we don't want people to get 308 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 2: too excited. But we'll wait till after the break. 309 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Yeah, that sounds like a good idea, so 310 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: that this will keep people hanging on too. They need 311 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: to hear this next part. Uh so, yeah, we'll save 312 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: it there. I am here with Joe Boggs from the 313 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: Ohio State Extension and with Mark Wessel from Gardens Alive. 314 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: We are talking about pests and diseases in the garden 315 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: right now. Reminder again, all the podcasts can be found 316 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: where podcasts are sourced. And we'll take a break. 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And Joe, you 343 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: were talking about cicadas. 344 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, so at this time of year, we're starting to 345 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 2: see the annual cicadas emerge and they, you know, climb 346 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: the nymphs come out of the ground, climb up the trees, 347 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 2: and the adults emerge from those skins. But along with that, 348 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: as they said, it is one of our largest wasps. 349 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 2: But we see really in the eastern United States, of course, 350 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 2: I was a great story with you having a you know, 351 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 2: a head to head meeting with the female, because it 352 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 2: is the femalees. The females are the ones that go 353 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: out and the harvest the cicadas. They they use their 354 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: long stinger to inject a paralytic toxin into the into 355 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 2: the cicada's body, and of course paralytic it paralyzes them 356 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: so that cicada is still alive. And that's because insects 357 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 2: lack refrigeration. If it kills it, it would immediately start putrefied. 358 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 2: And so what she has already done is she's already 359 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 2: dug into the soil and gone underground and created chambers 360 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: in which she will then drag that paralyzed cicada into 361 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 2: those chambers, and then she will lay one egg if 362 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: if it's going to be a female, and two eggs 363 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: it's going to be a male, if they're going to 364 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: be males. Back to the American Revolution, right to kind 365 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 2: of you know, one if by land, two if by sea. 366 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 2: I don't know why that anyway, it was stretched. I'm 367 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: trying to work it all back. But she does that. 368 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: Now what are the males doing? Because you know she 369 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: does that, they do have to be made. There are males. 370 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 2: The males look really identical to the females. They have 371 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 2: the same markings, roughly the same size. Of course, they 372 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: lack stingers. They don't have an ovapositor. Now, this is 373 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 2: where things get a little interesting, because even though dog days, 374 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 2: dog day, I'm sorry, even though Cicada killer wasps are 375 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 2: not true colonial they're not. They don't have a true 376 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 2: social network like a yellowjackets we talked about a while ago. 377 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 2: They tend to pick soil that's similar. And also, if 378 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 2: you have a large collection of females, it makes it 379 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: easier for them to be mated by the males, rather 380 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 2: than if you have, you know, a female over here, 381 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 2: one a mile away, and so on and so forth. Well, 382 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 2: the males didn't they start collecting over these these these areas, 383 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: and and they start fighting. They're fighting over the females. 384 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: They're trying to have dominance as men tend to do. 385 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 2: That's exactly right when they're just so. When the males 386 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 2: Cacadians just aren't lounging around watching soccer, you know, they 387 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 2: are out there guarding their territory. And it's usually the 388 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: males that scare the the beajeebers out of us, because 389 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 2: they will fly right up to you. I thought, that's 390 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: what the story is going to be. Frankly, if you 391 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 2: get over or near a cicada killer calling, and we're 392 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,719 Speaker 2: going to call it that, you'll find all these males 393 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 2: buzzing around, and if they see you, they might think 394 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 2: you're another male. They'll buzz right up to you very 395 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 2: aggressively to make a loud sound. And of course, you know, 396 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 2: even as seasoned entomologists might make another loud sound, right, 397 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 2: it's startling, And that's the that's the idea. But of 398 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 2: course you remember they lack stingers. It's all a ruse. 399 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: So what I'm trying to sketch out here is, first 400 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 2: of all, the females are not very aggressive at all. 401 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: In fact, I when I was, you know, years ago, 402 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 2: I knew a grad student that that did his master's 403 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: thesis work on this insect, and he was commonly right 404 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 2: in the middle of these large collections of cicada killer wasp. 405 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 2: The only time that he I remember that he felt 406 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 2: kind of threatened was he accidentally put his knee down 407 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 2: on one of the burrows and the female didn't like 408 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 2: that very much. So you know, she she did come out, 409 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 2: and but she didn't steam. She just came out and buzzed. 410 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 2: You know, you it looked kind of like your experience. 411 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 2: The point being is that it's just not very likely 412 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,479 Speaker 2: that you're going to get stung. And they are, of course, 413 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: again a beneficial insect. You know, they helped to keep 414 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 2: the population of cicada's down, but they will be arriving 415 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: very very soon because as soon as we see annual cicadas, 416 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 2: we start seeing the cicada killer wasp. 417 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: Very cool. Interesting, Hey, Mark had a question for you, Joe. 418 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I noticed this insect in the yard this year. 419 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 5: I'm sure it could have been there, but this year 420 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 5: I'm noticing lots of them, but it's my first time 421 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 5: seeing it. And I'll give you the common name. It 422 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 5: was the adult of the two line spittle bug. Are 423 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 5: you are you must be? 424 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? Now now, okay, so that's really interesting. So what 425 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 2: were you seeing? You were seeing the adults? 426 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 427 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, and who knows what an adult spittle bug looks like. 428 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: I'm yeah, well, that's that's exactly right. I'm you know, 429 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 2: I you sell them. Actually, okay, so spittle bugs are 430 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: the adults are called frog hoppers. They're in the they're 431 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 2: in the they're in the group of general plant hopper insects. 432 00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: They hop and and and so we don't see the 433 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 2: adults as often. They're very pretty. The two lines. Spittle 434 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: bugs have kind of a dark, you know, brownish background 435 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: with very distinct to two lines that cross their body 436 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 2: that are kind of yellow to yellowish gold. As I said, 437 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 2: they're they're they're they're kind of pretty. But we most 438 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 2: often think of spill bugs as what their name implies. 439 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:26,239 Speaker 3: Uh. 440 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 2: They they the immatures. When you look at them, you'll 441 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: find their very soft body, but you won't find them 442 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 2: just crawling around on something. You'll find them in amongst 443 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 2: this mass of of of bubbly material that looks like 444 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 2: spit doesn't know that's why they're called spittle bugs. Well, 445 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 2: spindle bugs are actually also related to aphids, and we 446 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: all know that aphids feed on, you know, by tapping 447 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: into what we call flowing vessels. So they're tapping into 448 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 2: this fire hose of with a lot of sugar water 449 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: moving through, and they pull out a lot of sugar water, 450 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 2: and they pull out so much they have to get 451 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 2: rid of some, so they voided out the back end 452 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 2: in the form of honeydew, which is actually it's actually 453 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 2: you know, insect diarrhea, but we won't say that, right, 454 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 2: we won't say it on the air in the morning 455 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: when people are eating their breakfast. 456 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: Right, good idea. 457 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: But with spittlebugs, they do something else with that honeydew. 458 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: They spread it around and then they use their air 459 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: breathing holes called spiracles, and they pump air into it. 460 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 2: And that's where we see the bubbles created to surround 461 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: these these very delicate immature stages or immature stage called nymphs, 462 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 2: and so that's what you'll see under the spittle But 463 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: of course in a completer development, you know, they turn 464 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 2: into the adults. And I only have one set of 465 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 2: pictures of the two line spittle bug mark. It's they're 466 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 2: not uncommon. We just don't see them because they're not 467 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 2: looking looking too hard for them. So that's interesting. What 468 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 2: were they What did you find them on? 469 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 5: Just general plants? I can't tell you exactly what, but 470 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 5: they were on several different things. 471 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: You know. 472 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 5: At first, like you said, I thought it was a leafhopper. 473 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's they're very uh and now the 474 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 2: frog hopper comes from if you look at their head, 475 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 2: if you look at the front end, they do kind 476 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 2: of have that blunt, you know, frog like appearance, and 477 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 2: so that's where the common name comes from. But the 478 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: two lines spittlebug, we must often find on grasses, yes, 479 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 2: so yeah, particularly ornamental grasses. We'll see them on there, 480 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: although we can see them on a few other weeds. Now, 481 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: they don't really cause any harm, that's the good news. 482 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: They don't, you know, they don't. The nymphs don't pull 483 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 2: out so much fluid from the plant that they cause 484 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: any harm. However, there are some spittlebugs. There are some 485 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 2: plant hoppers that can spread different diseases. Uh, it's it's 486 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 2: not something though we focus on too hard because, like 487 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 2: I said, uh, that's that's not really what we recognize 488 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 2: them for. They're just interesting insects. 489 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 490 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 5: I did a little research, and it turns out they 491 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 5: have made their way to the uh the Big Island 492 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 5: of Hawaii and are really freaking on the range land there. 493 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 2: Well go over there and check it out, right, Yeah, 494 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: I think me and Mark and I mean, long as 495 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 2: security doesn't hear that, we're coming right right, Yeah. 496 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: Ohio State is sure to fund our expedition. 497 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 2: I'm quite certain you or the National Skill a Bug 498 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 2: Association it is. Well, that's interesting, Mark, I did not 499 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 2: know that. So they're actually causing enough harm to be harmful. 500 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 5: That big concern there. 501 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: Well, now that you said that, you know what, I'm 502 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 2: going to be spending the rest of the day and 503 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 2: I'm just going to be digging into spittle bogs. 504 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 5: Well, at least I didn't give you a song that's 505 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 5: going to stick in your head. 506 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 2: Oh that's true. Yeah, that's a good point. So what 507 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 2: we don't have too many more minutes here? Are anything 508 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 2: else happening? That's uh. 509 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up this and just get basically 510 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: both your opinions or ideas or thoughts about it. But 511 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: with these high temperatures, uh, you know, how is that 512 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: affecting plants? I know that high enough night temperature will 513 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: cause a lot of plants to stop developing, developing fruit 514 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: like tomatoes and so for so what do you guys 515 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: see and what are your thoughts? Oh, it's a big, 516 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: big thing. 517 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 5: I just know it's an odd thing. You think plants 518 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 5: would need more water, but you can it's easy to 519 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 5: overwater and kill a plant right now. 520 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, with it being so humid especially. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, 521 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: you want to water when it's hot like this, but 522 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: then it's humid also, so you really need to be 523 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: careful there. Metabolism is going down big time right now, 524 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: which means they're using less water. So it's a tricky balance, 525 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, it's all I have to add. 526 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is that's very very interesting because you're you're 527 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 2: absolutely right, and when you hit these hot temperatures, you 528 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 2: can just imagine plants pull and water, you know, right 529 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 2: out of the soil, and you know, the soils collapsing, 530 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 2: houses are falling into you know, I'm sorry I kind 531 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 2: of carried away there, but you could just imagine really 532 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 2: bad situation. But keep in mind, we had, you know, 533 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 2: at least in our territory and through much of the 534 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 2: Eastern United States, extremely wet spring. Yeah, so our soils 535 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 2: are very well charged and and that is something that 536 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 2: has pulled us through when there has been a high 537 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 2: demand for moisture, you know, for trees and shrubs. I 538 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 2: actually did not see I've yet to really see established 539 00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: trees and shrubs showing any evidence of drought of a 540 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: problem with water, except for those like in parking lot 541 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 2: tree planters. Okay, I'm starting Yeah, I've started seeing some 542 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: wilting there where there's no irrigation, places like that where 543 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 2: you have maybe probably at the Cincinnati Botanical Garden and 544 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: Zoo you may have seen a little bit of that 545 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 2: and some of the planters there, but even that, not 546 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 2: nearly as much as I expected. Scotton markets. It's been 547 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 2: remarkable and now hopefully we're going to be getting a 548 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 2: little rain. 549 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a pretty good chance next week 550 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: on a few days in the forties to sixty percent chance, 551 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: So maybe one of those will pan out and we'll 552 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: get a little bit of rain. We're about to hit 553 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: that time when they when they shut down, when the 554 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 1: rain shuts down, and then we're weeks without anything at all. 555 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's yeah. 556 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 2: We don't want to We don't want to rush that, 557 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 2: do we. We're talking about that. We don't want to 558 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 2: even say that word. I said that out loud, and 559 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 2: then we're gonna be in trouble for But yeah, you're right, 560 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: so far not bad. It's not bad at all in 561 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 2: my opinion. 562 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: Well, we've got to wrap it up, Joe. We appreciate 563 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: you coming on. Always good to have you. And and 564 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: you we'll see you at the beginning of August. You're 565 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: coming first Saturday every month, so people can plan their 566 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: time around when they can listen to Joe Boggs on 567 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,439 Speaker 1: the radio. So thanks again, Joe, oh yeah. 568 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, or turn the volume down, all right, and God 569 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 2: has been a pleasure. 570 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: Always always, all right, you're listening to Let's guard misscapperline. 571 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:36,720 Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a couple of minutes. 572 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 3: If you're dealing with large surfaces and hard to reach 573 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 3: outdoor stains, Wet and Forget Max is designed to handle 574 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,919 Speaker 3: the tougher stuff. 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Good morning, Gary, Good 593 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: morning sir. 594 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 5: How are you? 595 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. How about you? I'm warm, I'm looking 596 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 1: at you relatively comfortable. I'm very comfortable you're inside at least? 597 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, managing that air conditioner. Yeah, that's a full time 598 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 3: job right. 599 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: Now, you know, hovering over the thermostat. 600 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been uh working it, been working it. I 601 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 3: don't want to see that bill otherwise. Ah. 602 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been lucky so far. But this week is 603 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: our come up. 604 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think so. And for all 605 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 3: those folks that haven't, uh, the most basic of all 606 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 3: home repairs is changing out the air filter. And it's 607 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 3: amazing how many people still chatting people and they're like, 608 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 3: you know, some people are like, yeah, yeah, you know, 609 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 3: I changed it. I changed Yeah. How often you change 610 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 3: it when it's dirty? 611 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's me. I need to set an alarm. There's 612 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: no excuse on your phone, right. 613 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, but on your phone absolutely, calendar, however, you need 614 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 3: to do it. Ninety day filters when it's really hot 615 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 3: or really cold. You date that thing for seventy five days. 616 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think, you know when with the more 617 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: the unit runs, sure, pumping air through it. 618 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's it really is amazing. I mean we 619 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 3: we cool this time of year, week cool. So much 620 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 3: hair that gets wasted from leaky duckwork. Yeah, And if 621 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 3: you ever go down the basement, just kind of look 622 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 3: up at the duck work on the ceiling of the basement, 623 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 3: you'll see unless you know, maybe on your house, they 624 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 3: were probably still screwing the duck work together. Yeah, but 625 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 3: that quite a long time ago, and now I see 626 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 3: it all the time. You just see gaps. Yeah, and 627 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 3: you're cooling that air and it just never makes it upstairs. 628 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 3: It's in a cross base or it's in the basement, 629 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 3: and then you open up the air handler and you 630 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 3: got a filter in there and you can't see through it, 631 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 3: so that's blocking air, so it's not satisfying the thermostats, 632 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 3: so it's running longer, and then the upstairs bedrooms are 633 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 3: never really cooling. 634 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: I mean, when you think. 635 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 3: About that is a huge, huge waste of energy. You're 636 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 3: absolutely right, And it's the simplest home repair there is. 637 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: The Yeah, all you have to do is go down, 638 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 1: pull it out, yep. But telephane, that's the hard part, 639 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 1: getting through the cellophane and then putting the new one. 640 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, you mean there's different sizes. Yes, that is remembering 641 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 3: that when you're at the hardware ste Yeah, exactly what 642 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 3: size was that? So yeah, well we'll talk a lot 643 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 3: about that today too. And you know, also from a 644 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 3: comfort standpoint, and this is a little bit in your 645 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 3: field also is because I heard you and Joe talking 646 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 3: about it is humidity levels. That's really what's super uncomfortable. 647 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 3: You get high heat and high humidity some of that 648 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 3: as we just talked about, you're not really cooling the 649 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 3: house because of losing the energy or dirty filters, and 650 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 3: then you you know, if you're having a difficult time 651 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 3: trying to control the humidity, inside your house. Nobody's running 652 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 3: the bathroom fans or the cooking fans or et cetera, 653 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 3: et cetera. We got a bunch of tips on humidity 654 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 3: control today. And you know, if you start running, you know, 655 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 3: sixty sixty five seventy percent humidity in your house and 656 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 3: you're trying to move up the thermostat dang gonna happen. 657 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not gonna happen. 658 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 3: I see all these people like my house has seriously 659 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 3: said seventy eight degrees. 660 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: Really, yes, sir, wow. 661 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 3: And I have over the last couple of years really 662 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 3: tried to focus on lowering the humidity level. Things you 663 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 3: can do and kind of working with the shades, and 664 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 3: there's ways you can do it. I'm amazed at if 665 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,239 Speaker 3: you'd have told me I could set my house at 666 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 3: seventy eight degrees and be comfortable five years ago, three 667 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,240 Speaker 3: years ago, and I said, they ain't no way, baby, 668 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 3: that's on seventy two period. 669 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: Well, you know, the old folks they had ways about this, 670 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: the way they would put trees to share the house 671 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,399 Speaker 1: right eaves, the direction the windows were placed right, all 672 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: those things and blinds. I remember a friend of mine 673 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: growing up, his family had that house as dark as 674 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 1: hades during the day, it was noticeably cooler. 675 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 3: Well, you know, now we even have much more superior 676 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 3: type of glass than they have back then. 677 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 678 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 3: And you know a lot of people say to me, 679 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 3: well we got that low e glass, why don't we 680 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 3: need to pull the shades. Just trust me on this, 681 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 3: pull the shades. You'll be able to feel the difference 682 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 3: within an hour. Yeah, I mean it is amazing. I 683 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 3: mean you got to keep working it, that's for sure, 684 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 3: but comfort is possible. 685 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: And cheap or cheaper cheaper if you do it right. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 686 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,280 Speaker 3: So we're going to talk about that today, Scott, along 687 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 3: with be careful on your outdoor projects. And I'm not 688 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 3: talking about from a health standpoint, just that some of 689 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 3: them just evaporate too fast and you're not going to 690 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 3: be happy with the job you do. So looking forward 691 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 3: to chatting with everybody and happy two hundred and fiftieth. 692 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: How about that? 693 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 3: How about that? 694 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? 695 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 1: Very good. Well we'll be listening. Thanks Gary, all right, 696 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: you bet all right. I want to thank other people too. 697 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: I want to thank Mark Wessel, horticulturist at Gardens Alive. 698 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:08,320 Speaker 1: That's Gurney's Brex spring Hill Nurseries Garden with gardener supply 699 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: and I want to thank Joe Boggs, thank our listeners 700 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,840 Speaker 1: and Danny Gleeson for making us sound good and for 701 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: the sound effects today. Next week we'll be Sarah Geiger Bean. 702 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 1: We'll talk about something we don't know what. We'll talk 703 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: to people we don't know who, but it'll be a 704 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 1: great show. Join us for that. See you next week.