Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American Friday Morning.
Speaker 2: Slowly back with you on seven hundred WLW savoring and
Speaker 2: the delicious tiredness of a who day win, which is
Speaker 2: the opposite we've had in the past and Friday mornings.
Speaker 2: I like to talk about a variety of different things
Speaker 2: and not all newsy or i should say bad news.
Speaker 2: He related some of this good news out there, believe
Speaker 2: it or not, despite what we've been talking about, including
Speaker 2: last night's shooting, and that would be this. We're making
Speaker 2: progress in a lot of areas.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: We talked about the Duke Energy Convention Center going back
Speaker 2: online and that's going to reopen, and the hotel is
Speaker 2: about to be started as well, and then you talk about, hey,
Speaker 2: maybe a new arena, and of course the Brent Spence
Speaker 2: Bridge project is just about to be in full swing.
Speaker 2: It'll be orange barrel hell for a few years, but
Speaker 2: the end result is worth it. No more traffic jams
Speaker 2: in Mayhem over the Ohio River. But to do all
Speaker 2: those things you did and you still need and in
Speaker 2: the future will need bodies to do it. And of
Speaker 2: course one of my causes here on the show is
Speaker 2: construction trades. I'm a Sicka fan for it because I
Speaker 2: realized that not everyone should go to school.
Speaker 1: I was one of those people, you know, but I.
Speaker 2: Got in back in the day when nell you needed
Speaker 2: was a check and a number two pencil. And today
Speaker 2: it's a lot harder. The stakes are much higher, and
Speaker 2: we know people are going into debt and now they're
Speaker 2: looking for the government and US taxpayer to bail them
Speaker 2: out because the model is broken.
Speaker 1: So what about the trades?
Speaker 2: Don't we understand we're making some inroads here locally, but
Speaker 2: at the same time, there's so much more to do.
Speaker 2: And on that is John strawser my buddy John Strasser,
Speaker 2: former CEO of Valley Interior Systems and Spirit of Construction
Speaker 2: fellow board member for a long time. He's been doing
Speaker 2: it since two thousand and three. And Amanda Smith, who
Speaker 2: is the executive director of the Spirit of Construction Foundation.
Speaker 1: Welcome, guys, How are you? How's everybody? Amanda? Welcome in?
Speaker 1: Who Day? Baby? Who Day? I got a Mana's Mike
Speaker 1: on Dave? Is that it is that?
Speaker 3: It?
Speaker 1: Hi? Hi?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. It's technology. We have no idea
Speaker 2: what we're doing over here at LW. We have no
Speaker 2: idea We're really bad at it. We're in communications business.
Speaker 2: How are you doing? We're not very good at it?
Speaker 1: Have you guys? How's everything? John? I know you're at
Speaker 1: the game last night. Wonderful? Yeah, yeah, well worth the
Speaker 1: late evening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha, And it was fun to watch on TV.
Speaker 2: So I got to bed before you did. But anyway,
Speaker 2: let's start with the need. First of all, I know
Speaker 2: that we've made progress, and I'll start with you in
Speaker 2: this genre real quick, and then we may progress in
Speaker 2: getting people in the trades are starting to but there's
Speaker 2: still a lot more to be.
Speaker 4: Done, right, There's a lot to be done with the
Speaker 4: retirement age coming down a little bit in the trades
Speaker 4: and the shorte of people getting interested in the trades.
Speaker 4: Last check I saw was we're sure about a million
Speaker 4: trades people across the United States.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and at number continues to grow despite younger
Speaker 2: people going hey, I want to get into the trades
Speaker 2: as well. I brought that opportunity in Cincinnati. Is that
Speaker 2: you know, we hear about hey, there's no job opportunity,
Speaker 2: there's no opportunity for and what do you expect when
Speaker 2: kids are going to go in the street and try
Speaker 2: to hustle, make money. And we see these shootings until
Speaker 2: I'll relate the stupid beefs and they're not working and
Speaker 2: they're getting.
Speaker 1: Off the bus.
Speaker 2: And we've got all these job we're building the bridge
Speaker 2: right now about to embark on this great You're gonna
Speaker 2: need thousands of jobs out there. I mean, I've said
Speaker 2: this before to the influence of decision makers and the
Speaker 2: shits stakeholders are going, well, we just need more job.
Speaker 2: There's jobs, right They literally, you guys will train people
Speaker 2: and put them to work the same day, won't you.
Speaker 1: We will.
Speaker 4: And we're actually starting in the fifth grade to starting
Speaker 4: your kids through the trades, through some of the curriculum
Speaker 4: we're dealing with, and we're getting exposed to educated towards
Speaker 4: and trained to have a job, a job ready come
Speaker 4: senior year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's no outline either. It's like we hook
Speaker 2: you up with the tools, we get to the training,
Speaker 2: we own the job. You're making money. My nephew who
Speaker 2: moved here from Oregon is is going to ic to
Speaker 2: be an electrician, and so he works during the day
Speaker 2: and then a night or two a week they send
Speaker 2: him to school to learn how to become an electrician.
Speaker 2: He doesn't pay for anything, he's making money along the way.
Speaker 2: And there's so many of those opportunities out there. Heating, ventilating,
Speaker 2: air conditioning. Work with my guys in the Grimmy group,
Speaker 2: same thing. They do classes there to teach people with
Speaker 2: daycon how to do ACE and within eight weeks they're
Speaker 2: on the job. They're making money. Plenty of opportunities like
Speaker 2: that and cincinnaw And I'm so tired of hearing about
Speaker 2: there's no opportunity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the opportunities are you name the trade, plumbers, electricians,
Speaker 4: mechanical painters, finishers. I mean, everybody needs workers right now.
Speaker 4: And the push to get the kids exposed is making
Speaker 4: making a big difference.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Really, let's turn to the Spirit of Construction Foundation, Amanda,
Speaker 2: and where you come in, where we came into to
Speaker 2: try and bridge that app with scholarships and learning and
Speaker 2: getting programs and schools.
Speaker 1: Let's start with that.
Speaker 2: I know when I was a board member with John,
Speaker 2: I know the big thing was, hey, we got in
Speaker 2: a woodward.
Speaker 1: You know, we got shopped through the class back. But
Speaker 1: that's grown beyond that, right absolutely.
Speaker 5: So the Spirit of Construction was started back in nineteen
Speaker 5: ninety six as a way to recognize and celebrate the
Speaker 5: construction industry, and that was initially done through our annual gala.
Speaker 5: And John here actually is one of our Lifetime Achievement
Speaker 5: Award winners this year. So every year at the annual Gala,
Speaker 5: we give out a Lifetime Achievement Award. What makes John's
Speaker 5: award so special this year is that his dad also
Speaker 5: won Lifetime Achievement war back in nineteen ninety nine, so
Speaker 5: he's actually a second generation Lifetime honorees. So we're very
Speaker 5: excited to celebrate John at our gala this year.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is John's old John.
Speaker 3: I'm saying John's a big deal, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Johnson amazing in his ego. He knows, we know what
Speaker 3: he's done. But it just means you're It's just a
Speaker 3: nice way of saying, damn, you're old or a buffaloed
Speaker 3: a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Now, no one's more deserving because because honestly working alongside
Speaker 2: you for a few years and just watching you the machine,
Speaker 2: that's the John Strive. I mean he really, John's the
Speaker 2: guy who really drove this whole thing, and that's it's
Speaker 2: really cool to see and it's a well deserved so congratulations.
Speaker 1: So we're excited.
Speaker 5: So what started out as having an annual gala has
Speaker 5: grown into what it is today. And so beyond the Gala,
Speaker 5: which is our major fundraiser, all net proceeds from that
Speaker 5: gala go to three buckets of work that we invest
Speaker 5: in scholarships, workforce development, and we give out mini grants
Speaker 5: to nonprofits focused on work force development within the construction industry.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And those grants are nice because you look at the
Speaker 2: organizations and that benefit from that is you know, it's
Speaker 2: girls Scouts. So you go through the list here of
Speaker 2: organizations that get that and go, hey, we're putting these
Speaker 2: programs in. We're doing summer school, like a class where
Speaker 2: kids can do hands on building stuff and you know,
Speaker 2: use power tools from Milwaukee and you know, drill holes
Speaker 2: and boards and see how buildings are put together. And
Speaker 2: when you have the house, a hands on kid right
Speaker 2: as the more tactile than than just sitting there and
Speaker 2: wrote memorization. Had you done that for me, I think
Speaker 2: I would be I would have been in the trades.
Speaker 2: And I've been doing this which a lot of people
Speaker 2: listening and say, well, I really wish we could do
Speaker 2: that in the way back machine, but some of us
Speaker 2: learn just by looking at it. And we're finally doing that.
Speaker 2: We're finally learning how to teach and reach these kids.
Speaker 2: And you wonder, John, how many kids over the years
Speaker 2: may have dropped out of school or said, I, I, I,
Speaker 2: this isn't for me because we're just sitting there and
Speaker 2: it's the same way we all learned is here's a teacher,
Speaker 2: here's a white boarder blackboard here, you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: memorize this. Look in the book. It's all theory. You
Speaker 2: put the practical thing and do it the matter. This
Speaker 2: is why you need shop math for example, which you
Speaker 2: helped get into schools. It's reaching so many kids would
Speaker 2: fall into the cracks before. It's incredible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're teaching kids how to take a tape measure
Speaker 4: and say half inch plus three quarters is one and
Speaker 4: a quarter. You and I understand that because we use
Speaker 4: a tape measure almost every day in the jobs and
Speaker 4: the trades, where the work we're doing around our homes,
Speaker 4: and by getting the kids exposed to this, we think
Speaker 4: that it's close to fifty percent of every student in
Speaker 4: the classroom as a visual learner yeah, not a book learner.
Speaker 4: And the school system does not teach or focus on
Speaker 4: these kind of kids. And now that we're doing it,
Speaker 4: we're gaining the opportunity putting the tape measure in their hand.
Speaker 4: Their eyes are opening up, they're understanding, they're looking up
Speaker 4: into the sky at this and understanding that, hey, science
Speaker 4: ties in with math. And now as sudden, their grades
Speaker 4: are accelerating, their attending class and it's making a difference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like algebra, I don't know numbers and letters, why
Speaker 2: do they need to go together? But you know, you
Speaker 2: start doing calculations, you start doing like your roof, slopes
Speaker 2: and stairs, and it's like, oh, I get it. Now
Speaker 2: this is where it's applicable in the real world. And
Speaker 2: there was never that connection are going to school and
Speaker 2: now there is. Yeah, and it's making a big difference.
Speaker 2: In the end, we're seeing kids come into the trades
Speaker 2: now with a direct impact.
Speaker 4: Now, it takes time. I mean when you start teaching
Speaker 4: in fifth grade, you know you've got a seven year
Speaker 4: process to get them through where they become the correct
Speaker 4: nation to being hired. But we're now, after the years
Speaker 4: of work we put in, we're starting to have kids
Speaker 4: now make that jump to the trades.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Again, it's a man A Smith, the executive rector of
Speaker 2: Spiritual Construction Foundation, and John Strass are the former CEO
Speaker 2: of Valley Interiors here in Cincinnati, but they're all over
Speaker 2: the state. A board member there since two thousand and three,
Speaker 2: and he's going to be an honoree this year at
Speaker 2: the gala, which is coming up on the twenty fifth.
Speaker 5: Right, that's right, next Saturday, full house, full house, record
Speaker 5: number thirteen hundred folks done at the Northern Kentucky Convention Center.
Speaker 5: Next year is our thirtieth annual gala, so we're excited
Speaker 5: about that. But all proceeds from the gala actually are
Speaker 5: reinvested as a foundation. We are a funder and we
Speaker 5: reinvest those dollars back into workforce development within the trades
Speaker 5: and can struction.
Speaker 2: Part of those scholarships you have went into like like
Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand dollars of the years in scholarships.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 5: So we've been doing scholarships since two thousand and four.
Speaker 5: We started by giving out scholarships at University of Cincinnati.
Speaker 5: This year alone we gave out twenty five scholarships seventy
Speaker 5: eight thousand dollars and those scholarships are first students at
Speaker 5: NKU and UC that are looking at construction management Cincinnati
Speaker 5: State as well.
Speaker 1: And then we also give.
Speaker 5: Scholarships to military veterans that are looking at getting into construction.
Speaker 5: And for the first time ever this year we gave
Speaker 5: out skilled trade scholarships, so that's anyone that's interested in
Speaker 5: getting enrolled or as an incentive to keep them enrolled
Speaker 5: in skilled trades. So we're really proud of our scholarship program.
Speaker 5: Since two thousand and four, we've given out two hundred
Speaker 5: and seventy eight scholarships.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's cool now because you get people fighting
Speaker 2: for the scholarship and saying, hey, we're doing this this
Speaker 2: and it's like not a baying war, but you know,
Speaker 2: you want to see worthy best bank for the bucket's
Speaker 2: going to be. But it makes all those entities be
Speaker 2: sharp at what they're doing. Their focus, of course, is
Speaker 2: getting young people in the construction strads and I'm so
Speaker 2: happy to see that we are getting fifth graders now
Speaker 2: interested in there. It used to be a tough sell
Speaker 2: to school public schools in Cincinnati John where they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, we were find the way where no, you're not.
Speaker 2: You're missing all these kids. And it's so sad to
Speaker 2: me to think over the years how many kids were
Speaker 2: lost that they may have turned to a life.
Speaker 1: I mean, so let's face it.
Speaker 2: You know, you fall through the cracks, you drop out
Speaker 2: of school, life is it's not going to work out
Speaker 2: for you, and chances are going to depend on the
Speaker 2: system or in one way or the other. And we
Speaker 2: know what the outcome is. I mean, look at the
Speaker 2: violence happening in Cincinnati, and you wonder how many of
Speaker 2: those young lives could have been reached years before if
Speaker 2: we would have done this. But the good news is
Speaker 2: we're making progress. So let's talk about the expansion into
Speaker 2: public schools and the life because I mentioned Woodward and
Speaker 2: the light bulb went off for I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people and they heard. And this is years ago,
Speaker 2: and you'd be able to articulate this better than I can.
Speaker 2: But I recall going, hey, these are kids whore like
Speaker 2: on the margins, probably not doing well. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: we're teaching the trades, shop class, shop math and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and they went from literally on a borderline
Speaker 2: of dropping out to being among the best performers in
Speaker 2: the school in the school itself as far as acadomics go.
Speaker 4: In twenty seventeen is when we started the program at
Speaker 4: Woodward and the first eleven students that were put into
Speaker 4: the program were very high risk. Two of the eleven
Speaker 4: dropped out of school fairly quick. The other nine continue
Speaker 4: through the program and graduated four years later. Seven went
Speaker 4: into the trades, two actually went into nursing, and one
Speaker 4: of the nine ended up top five of the class academically.
Speaker 4: And it was all because of the math program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they could see it now and I think
Speaker 2: that literally goes. I know it kept getting back to that,
Speaker 2: but that's a big thing. I think to get those mind,
Speaker 2: the hearts and mind change. And then when you see
Speaker 2: the educators go wow, okay, well maybe we're missing something here.
Speaker 2: Now it's spread like wildfire.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we started it Woodward and teachers were talking to
Speaker 4: other teachers at other school systems, and maybe eight years
Speaker 4: later we're in thirty one school systems. That's unreal throughout
Speaker 4: the Ohio and Northern count.
Speaker 2: So it's making a comeback, but we still have a
Speaker 2: long way to go, right, Amanda. That's the thing is
Speaker 2: with the scholarship and the attention the Spirit of Construction Foundation.
Speaker 1: There's just so much more work. So this is just
Speaker 1: the start of things.
Speaker 2: I mean, thirty one schools from one is a lot
Speaker 2: in just a few short years, less than a decade.
Speaker 2: But you want to see that number in one hundreds
Speaker 2: nowolutely how do you do that?
Speaker 5: Well? One of the ways is that we are making
Speaker 5: investments in workforce development programs. Specifically, as we've mentioned, we're
Speaker 5: targeting kids that are in middle school in Northern Kentucky.
Speaker 5: We supported a program called Trades Northern Kentucky. It started
Speaker 5: out in Campbell County schools reaching about two hundred and
Speaker 5: seventy middle schoolers. With our support and matching dollars from BNKY,
Speaker 5: they're now in Kenton County schools and in Homes Middle
Speaker 5: School they're reaching over six hundred kids. And that's again
Speaker 5: providing exposure to the students about what is skilled trades,
Speaker 5: what does a career path look like? And then for
Speaker 5: the very first time, Trade in Northern Kentucky is having
Speaker 5: a Skilled Trades Career Fair in April of twenty six.
Speaker 5: And again, we just want to continue to provide exposure
Speaker 5: to students that you know, as you guys have talked
Speaker 5: about our visual learners, maybe not you know, planning on
Speaker 5: going to college. But we want to tell the kids,
Speaker 5: but not only the kids, their parents that skilled trades
Speaker 5: is a viable career path where you can make great
Speaker 5: money and have a really great future and great career
Speaker 5: if you pick it.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like because of these students, don't let
Speaker 2: the student debt and the long crisis and a host
Speaker 2: of other factors, that parents are starting to maybe wake
Speaker 2: up that way because on that long ago where and
Speaker 2: a lot of parents, some parents will still do this.
Speaker 2: They look at their success as a parent by where
Speaker 2: the kid goes to college, and not as that's right.
Speaker 2: I mean there's still that stigma out there like, oh
Speaker 2: my kid doesn't go to college and he or she
Speaker 2: it's shame and somehow it's shameful, and it's all that's marketing,
Speaker 2: is all that is. Are we starting to win that
Speaker 2: war of attrition or starting to win that war that
Speaker 2: the trades are noble and also a very enriching area.
Speaker 5: To go Absolutely, and I think it's all about dollars
Speaker 5: and cents too. If we can show them that your
Speaker 5: child can earn to learn through an apprenticeship program, so
Speaker 5: right out of high school. They're making money, they're not encouraging,
Speaker 5: they're not incurring college debt, and they're making a really
Speaker 5: great wage. I think that's the story that we have
Speaker 5: to get to parents that it's it's an exciting, honorable
Speaker 5: career that a lot of people, you know, find great
Speaker 5: joy in and it's okay to not go to college.
Speaker 5: And so not only are we trying to tell the
Speaker 5: kids that, but we also need to tell their parents
Speaker 5: that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and hopefully that model is changing, that the value
Speaker 2: of parenthood is not like where my kid went to school,
Speaker 2: or where I'm going to school, or you know, where
Speaker 2: the degree is from.
Speaker 1: It's rather the fact is like are you being productive?
Speaker 1: You know, can you.
Speaker 2: Afford a middle class or offera Pesson lifestyle? And a
Speaker 2: lot of folks who are in the trades right it's like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, the light bulb goes off, Like my nephew's
Speaker 2: in electrical now, And I said, you know, when you're
Speaker 2: my age, though, you want to be the guy who
Speaker 2: owns the place that is hiring other electricians like John,
Speaker 2: you're a family business at Valianteer.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But how many guys do that and women now that
Speaker 2: are learning and becoming masters of what they do, but
Speaker 2: then branching off and doing their own thing.
Speaker 1: That's American dream. Yeah.
Speaker 4: The stories are numerous, and we at the gala next
Speaker 4: weekend over thirty years of a Lifetime Achievement Award winners.
Speaker 4: The stories were all about I had a pickup truck,
Speaker 4: I went to the banker and got a ten thousand
Speaker 4: dollars loan and created a you know, a company that
Speaker 4: hires five hundred people. Yeah, So the stories are endless.
Speaker 4: It's just you know, most contractors are very humble and
Speaker 4: don't toot their horn, and most people don't understand the
Speaker 4: opportunities that exist within the construction industry. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think Jostin for example, and you know
Speaker 2: the Smythmen family.
Speaker 1: Same thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, we started this thing and they're growing
Speaker 2: and growing in company. It happens all the time, like
Speaker 2: these these people will leave, you know, folks will leave
Speaker 2: a company, or they'll get some experience in trades and
Speaker 2: wind up doing their own thing and grow, which turns
Speaker 2: out to be the future. Companies will be board members
Speaker 2: and have seats at the table. The future spiritual controluction.
Speaker 2: So it's an awesome thing to see. So you know,
Speaker 2: if you have the wherewith all the knowledge a little
Speaker 2: bit of luck on your side too, you can achieve
Speaker 2: these great things.
Speaker 1: And there's so many people.
Speaker 2: That always strikes me that when we do the event
Speaker 2: and again it's a twenty fifth, and how many people
Speaker 2: are like, yeah, high school, you don't you know, you
Speaker 2: don't need a doctorate in construction. I mean it's nice
Speaker 2: to we have that stuff right architectural to grow quy,
Speaker 2: But a lot of those folks are like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: was swinging a hammer, or I was you know, I
Speaker 2: was using a shovel, or I was doing heavy equipment
Speaker 2: and just kind of grew into this thing. And here
Speaker 2: we are today and now when playing hundreds of people, it's.
Speaker 4: Great and a lot of people, you know, it's it's
Speaker 4: a very generous group of people.
Speaker 1: Also.
Speaker 4: I mean next weekend we're looking at raising and I
Speaker 4: think one point one million dollars to give back to
Speaker 4: the trades, right right, and this is all homegrown in
Speaker 4: Cincinnati companies that are that are supporting what we're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before you go, I want to get a plug
Speaker 2: in real quick for the beer because that's really really cool.
Speaker 2: That's one of the coolest partnerships collabs. As a kid
Speaker 2: say today, Uh, Spirit of Construction and.
Speaker 1: Blueprint, that's that's right.
Speaker 5: So last spring, this past spring, we launched a beer
Speaker 5: with Braxton. It's called Braxton Blueprint, and proceeds from the
Speaker 5: sales of the beer actually come back to the Spirit
Speaker 5: and we're going to reinvest in workforce development. The beer
Speaker 5: can be found at Kroger party stores, independent liquor stores.
Speaker 5: So go out and buy a fifteen pack called Blueprint
Speaker 5: by braxsty.
Speaker 2: Print by Backs, which by the way, I have a
Speaker 2: fifty I have some in my fridge at home for
Speaker 2: that very reason. Support the cause. And if you see that,
Speaker 2: go and it's really actually really good beer. So really
Speaker 2: they BRAC did a great job. We're there for the rollout.
Speaker 2: Got to get going. But again, I know that the
Speaker 2: gala is sold up, But congratulations John in your lifetime achievement.
Speaker 1: It's well deserved.
Speaker 2: My buddy John Strasser and Amanda Smith, who of course
Speaker 2: now is the executive director of Spirit Construction Foundation popping
Speaker 2: in their gala happens on the twenty fifth, But just
Speaker 2: wanted to lay out all the great work well, those
Speaker 2: bad news are happening, and this is good news, like
Speaker 2: this is solving the problem of generational poverty and the
Speaker 2: problems we face in downtown Cincinnati, but also enabling young
Speaker 2: people to realize that, like, hey, listen, not the best
Speaker 2: epic academic in all but there's a chance for you
Speaker 2: to be extremely successful in life. It doesn't mean where
Speaker 2: you go to college. It's just you got to continue
Speaker 2: your learning. Some of us learn differently than others, and
Speaker 2: we'll recognize that. And the growth has been tremendous here
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, so really proud of that for you guys.
Speaker 2: Congratulations and thanks again for coming in.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: I have a great weekend. I got to get a
Speaker 2: news break in. We'll find out what's happening in around
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