WEBVTT - 4-2-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.320 You don't want to be an American idiots. 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:04.559 I'm me here on seven hundred WLW. 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:08.000 Well, she can't speak for herself, so her brother is 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:11.000 Cincinnati's exiled police chief has been sitting at home for 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.160 what five almost six months, cashing the paycheck, and the 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:16.640 city that has employed her for some thirty five years 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:19.480 calls it a leadership failure. The city dropped the bombshell 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:22.920 of reports which we knew was coming on Chief Fiji 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.919 six months, thirty two witnesses and a verdict that could 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.000 end her career. Other than that, what else is going on? 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:31.560 His name is Russ Neville. She he is Terry's brother 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:33.280 and sits on the show this morning to start us 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.320 off on seven hundred WW Russ, welcome in. Thank you 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:37.680 very very much, appreciate it to have. 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.479 You're tired of talking about this yet, Well. 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:42.839 I'm tired of the circumstances surrounding it, but I will 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.000 never get tired of talking on behalf of Terry and 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.080 defending her her reputation. 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.120 She's been on leave since October, so five months now. 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.240 Day to days for her is like what it's an 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.600 Evan flow. I've said it all along. You know, she 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:58.760 had good moments, bad moments. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:00.000 She got a lot of family, a lot of family, 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:01.600 we support, a lot of friends, support, a lot of 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.240 members support. Yeah, but it's you know, it comes and goes. 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:07.440 It's gut punches like this, and then you have to 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:08.840 get yourself back on your feet and you have to 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:10.240 get ready to fight and move forward. 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:13.400 Yeah, thirty five years in the force, never anything bad 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.240 to say about her until now. Lifelong West sider. She 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.720 grew up here, build a career here. That that also 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:21.280 has to be really hard. I could see if it's 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.120 an outsider coming in, but you grew up your and 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:24.679 now your reputation is being tartished. 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.360 Yes, but there are benefits to being a local and 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.119 having the family and the friends that you've developed over 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.880 the years and the membership affiliation as opposed to being 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:37.039 an outsider. Could you imagine being someplace where you're hire 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.120 from outside and you're going through this alone. 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:40.920 That'd be hard. I'd be very really hard. 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.440 Relative of the report that just came out from Frost 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:47.039 Brown Top Givens that they said that they believe the 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.680 culture was the she said the best I've ever seen it, 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.320 And then they came out and said it's one of 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:54.120 the worst of all time. 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.559 Did she see this coming at all? Does this blindsider totally? 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.160 Every bit of it has blindsided her. Every bit of 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:04.160 it as blindsided her. And all we can do is 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.000 go through the process, way through the process, defender where 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.520 we have an opportunity and let litigation run its course. 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.080 Never had an employment review in seven years as chief, 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.760 thirty five years. Her jackets pretty clean, there's nothing in there. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:17.639 She thinks she's doing an exemplar job because no one's 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.440 ever said, hey, you're not doing the right thing. Five 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.119 days before an election, she's out of a job. Essentially, 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:24.239 is this political? 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.600 One hundred percent of citizens day one? And we feel 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.880 since day one that it's driven by the mayor, it's 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.920 in collaboration with the manager. And there were ways to 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.560 handle this and manage this without embarrassing and degrading and 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.760 damaging the integrity and reputation or the reputation on integrity 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.800 or integrity will never be damaged, a reputation of somebody 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:46.480 who's given her life to this career. 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.000 Yeah, and at the same time, you know, the citizens 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.400 who went to the polls re elected mayor after at 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.760 Fearville and put the same council back in, So. 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:57.359 How does that sit with her? 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:04.560 It's it's surprising and not surprising. It's the reality of elections, 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.640 it's the reality of politics. But it should have no 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:09.239 play or no impact on law enforcement the management of 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:12.040 a police department. You have a role, you have a responsibility, 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.000 you have a dedication and a commitment, and she fulfilled 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:14.720 every one of those. 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.840 Russ Neville, and she's, like I said, she's been doing 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.200 this a long time. Steve m her attorney, called her 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:25.480 a scapegoat and also indicated that this may be gender base. 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:27.320 She's a first female chief. Do you think jender plays 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:28.200 a role in us? 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.840 I hope not, but I think the evidence is leaning 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.360 towards that being an element of it, and that is 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:41.080 obviously part of mister RIM's role, and mister Rim will 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.040 make that determination proceed forward. 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:44.800 One appropriate they had thirty two witnesses. 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.680 It said, Look, there's a culture of fear of retaliation 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:51.040 and retribution in there. Do you believe that your sister 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.320 maybe had what was different at work than she was 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:54.840 around you? 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.080 One percent? Not. The reality of it is I was 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.840 around her for work for twenty plus years of it. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.400 She doesn't have a retaliatory bone in her body. She 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:06.080 is very maternal, very caring, very supportive. She knows birthdays, 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.720 she knows circumstances. She has no family situations, and she 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.960 approaches them, addresses them, discusses them, cares one hundred percent cares. 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:17.160 That is an out like, outright lie or a misperception 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:18.359 by that few. 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.719 I had FOP president Ken Kober on the show yesterday 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.760 and I asked him that same question. He said, well, 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.360 if that's true, you have to fire every chief ever, 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.599 because every department has some level of it. It's so 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.000 bad it's not functioning. He said, But that's not Cincinnati. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.640 But you know there's that level of animosity in every 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.840 department because there's battles, there's unions, there's there's hierarchies. You're 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:40.599 going to have striving. 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.520 It's not limited to law enforcem right, it's it's the 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:49.039 reality of the workplace. The workplace and Terry. Anything that 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:50.919 was brought to her attention that she was able to 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:52.880 have some positive impact on it, she would do it, 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.240 and she did it with care. Scott. That's I don't 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:59.799 I'm not concerned about past years of management. The reality 0:04:59.920 --> 0:05:04.080 is under Terry's leadership, and supervision. While you will have 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.359 to scent, you will have disagreements. 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:07.200 She is. 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.440 A person that places accountability on her shelf and others 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.799 and places high expectations on performance and consistency. She cared, 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:17.720 and she did it through a caring consideration. 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:23.320 One of the accusations came of the report. Adam russ Neville, 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.440 who is Terry Cigi's brother, joining the show this morning 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.560 and talking about this report that came out from Frost 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.719 Brown Todd about nine pages. The other thing that struck 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:33.760 me is, you know before I even read the report, 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.920 and I did in full, I'm sure you did as well. 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.599 Is like, okay, six months of investigation, we've now extended 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.080 their contract three times, and finally report comes out and 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.960 it's nine pages, Like, well, I've seen reports that are 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.119 another thousand. I thought for sure. You know, the report 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.680 comes out, he's like, it looks like the Bible. I mean, 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:51.640 it's thick, it's like phone book back in the day, 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:53.960 and this is nine pages, like not. And then what 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:55.960 I read, I'm like, I don't see a lot here. 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.839 Not only is it limited to nine pages, it's repetitive information, 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:04.080 so it's actually six pages of whatever. And then repeated 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:09.560 in a conclusion an it's it's bear it's minimal, it's 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:14.320 it's non fact basis subjective, it's opinionated, and I'm I'm 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.880 kind of embarrassed on behalf of the law firm for 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.279 even putting a document like that together and providing it 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:19.760 to the city. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.560 Well, I think the other element here is okay, so 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:23.800 they're counselors, right. A counselor is a lawyer and a 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.040 council counsel. So you can't force the client. You're the client. 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:29.679 Will give you advice, will counsel you, but we can't 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.480 force you to, you know, admit guilt, innocence, give the 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.719 money to fight the case or not fight the case. 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.400 It's up to the individual that are presenting in this case. 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.880 They're hard by the city with tax payer money. One 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:43.080 of the things I learned yesterday talking to to Cober 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.040 is that they weren't allowed to record under these depositions. 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:50.160 Yeah, that's mind, the same way they weren't depositions. That's 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.200 my understanding. There is no recording, there is no documentation 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.599 of it, which I find extremely ironic, Scott, because I 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.680 spent quite a bit of time at the internal Investigation 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:00.599 section with the police department conduct an investigation outside of 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:04.599 internal every investigation, every interview is recorded. You lay out 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:08.279 your investigation. You show what supports an allegation, what refutes 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.880 an allegation, whether you want to take that as positive statements, 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.120 negative statements, however you wanna term it. And every bit 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.760 of it is laid out, is structured, very thoroughly, sequentially, 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.520 and it's informative, and you base your conclusion on that, 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.640 not only that, you support it with fact, based on documentation, 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:27.400 investigative videos, recordings, anything that provides the aid in supporting 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.120 or refuting, whether it's a criminal investigation or ad ministry 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.280 of investigation. This is so slanted, so narrow, and so 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:40.080 non non complete, it's pathetic. Additionally, there's an issue of nepotism. 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:45.360 How does that strike the family another it's a perception 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.960 of whomever made that statement. It's not realistic, it's not true. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:53.880 I'm very, very familiar with the nephew who earned his position. 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.360 He has a finance degree, he got into the police department, 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.960 he went to law school, he did law school part time, 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.240 successfully completed law school, he went on and passed the bar. 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:07.360 He has worked another administrative and patrol positions he's earning. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.800 He's earned of the position, and people have their perception. 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.720 Hire the best person for the job. But again I 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:15.840 think he gets back. You look at the administration, so 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:20.400 they alleged nepotism. They also alleged that Terry Fiji kind 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:21.880 of ran this thing like a theocracy. 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:22.120 Writer. 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.720 It's like heard's the final word, the. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:30.760 Disagreements, chain of command, top down mentality, and yet the 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:35.040 same administration runs the mayor's office that way. There's no accountability. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.440 There's a top down mentality if you look at and 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:41.959 I think there's truth to it. The Alchrvisky case where okay, 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.360 all of a sudden, never Adam Henny is the guy 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.920 who winds up writing the arrest warrant because the detective 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.079 said there's no crime here. He did it, and now 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.480 he's the inter re chief because he's obeying the marching orders. 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.400 And that was not a political arrest, but it certainly 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.360 looks like it was a political arrest because they threw 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.760 the case out. And then the other one about nepotism 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:06.640 is Iris Rawley, who is a community activist works for 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:08.599 the Mayor's department, makes over one hundred thousand dollars a 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.840 year and her sad is working alongside her. So why 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.800 would they point the dirty in the sticke of Terry 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.480 Thiji when they themselves from Aftab and sure along on 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:17.680 down are doing the same thing. 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:22.600 Themselves because it's beneficial to their mythical narrative of an 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.800 ineffective leadership and their pursuing termination. The reality of it 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:27.760 is that Scott, I do want to say yes, couldn't 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:32.000 care less that the administration's city Hall the eggs the 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:32.840 way they do it's wrong. 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:33.640 Deal with it. 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.400 Voters decide that, however, I will tell you that is 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.480 not how Terry manages, and the facts of that will 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.360 come out when litigation depositions are provided. And we look 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.679 forward to the depositions, not in a fund way, but 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.800 forward to achieving the goal in hand of the depositions 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.800 of each of every one of those that weren't interviewed, 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.680 and those that makes such allegations provide some facts, because 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:55.280 we got facts that refute it, and that will be 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:56.000 the reality. 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.960 She flies out to Denver, is out there, wheels go down, 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.040 her phone blows up, get your asspect to Cincinnati, and 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.120 then she's suspended, slash fired. 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:07.280 What were that seventy two hours like for her. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:16.360 In the family, miserable, miserable, shocking, unexpected, miserable, depressing, embarrassing, 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:21.000 and she has fought through it, continues to fight through it, 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.760 and she's as strong as strong gets Scott. But she's 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:29.120 not She's human. She has emotion, she feels pain, but 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.280 family and community support is aided her and getting through 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.640 the pain and the disappoint To this point. 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:36.600 She wants her job back. We know that's not going 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.040 to happen. Is she still hoping that that that occurs. 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.640 I don't think. I think there's absolutely no chance whatsoever. 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.000 It's interesting you asked that because I try to avoid 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.520 that question with her because I wouldn't take it for 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.160 any amount of money in the world. But but Terry 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.560 is Terry, and she's strong, and she cares. She continues 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.520 to care about this organization. She continues to care about 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.280 the members, she continues to care about the community that 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.320 she served, and she loves and I mean loves. So 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:06.840 if Terry were to elect to go back, if the 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.120 opportunity was there, I would support her and applaud her, 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.920 and I would still be going, oh boy, I wouldn't 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:12.160 do it. 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:14.400 Yeah, because I don't think it's an ENVI. 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.599 It's kind of like after you go, hey, I'm resigning, 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:19.920 I'm taking a job across the street, and then they 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.160 offer you more money and you stay, they're gonna resent 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:23.120 you from that day forward. 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.880 Oh it's worse than that. This, this situation is much 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:27.200 worse than that. If you want to go back for 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.360 money in a situation like that, okay, live through it. 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:34.040 But they've tormented her, They've embarrassed her. You know, I 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:37.120 wouldn't touch it. But Terry's Terry's Cherry. Terry's a different 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.720 breeding that respect. I mean, she really really cares to 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.520 the end degree, and she has confidence herself. She has 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.480 confidence in the folks that she had working around her 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:46.800 and the members of this department, and if if she 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.840 were to get her position back, she would succeed to 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.120 the point that they would allow her to succeed. 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.679 What is so if she decided, Okay, that's out in 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.680 the cards, they fire her. What you're prepared for that 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.439 level of olligation because there's gonna be a lot of 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:01.199 dirt thrown at her, a lot of shade thrown at her, 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.080 a lot of things are going to be made public 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:03.600 about her. 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:05.480 Is she have for that fight. 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:07.240 There is. 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.520 You can't do any more than surprisingly put you on 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:15.520 administrative suspension and then put together a mythical hatchet job 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.560 of a report that only shows one side of a 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.560 very very very very few people. And we don't even 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.120 know what those people truly said because there's no recording, 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.320 there's no documentation. So what more can you do to her? 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.280 What more pain and embarrassed can you put on her? 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.679 She has no dirt in her history, Scott, she has 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:33.040 no dirt in her personal life, she has no dirt 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.240 in her professional life. Bring it, Bring it on, Let's 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.120 go to litigation, and let's have the depositions of those 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:44.920 that are putting this pressure and intimidation and embarrassment upon her. 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:46.920 I don't think they're gonna it's going to be a settlement, right, 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.480 Bring it on. They would be stupid to take this 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.240 to trial, well, because I mean, the biggest thing for 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:54.720 most people are like, wait a minute, she had had 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.520 a performance review in seven years, thirty five years on 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.400 the job, no problems whatsoever of all of a sudden, 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.600 now days before an election, there's a problem. 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:03.800 Like if you're the city, do you back that up? 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.480 I take this back to and I continue to mean it. 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:08.840 We mean it, I speak as I, but it's a family, 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:13.319 it's Terry, it's support. This all started when she tried 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:18.880 to implement some judicial transparency or review, and then it 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:24.319 progressed to whatever deterioration of the mayor's perspective of her, 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:28.400 whatever deterioration, if any, of the manager's perspective of her, 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.600 and blindsided by all of it. 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.679 Is there an animosity towards Adam Henny? I mean also 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.199 somebody who's like he's stuck in a weird position because 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.480 he's the interim chief. In the report they mentioned that 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.440 having him in there is quote unquote a breath of 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:42.840 fresh air. 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.240 I mean that has to sting for Terry. I don't 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.559 know that that stings for Terry. I think it's absolutely 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:51.719 we have no animosity toward the organization. Yah. Terry has 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.280 nothing but support and care as I and the rest 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:55.920 of us for the organization. 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:56.600 I do have. 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.800 I do hope that the depth is of those that 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:05.800 provided interviews or sat for interviews reveals some of what 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.520 was said. I do believe there are some within the 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.120 organization who are taking advantage of the opportunity to advance 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.520 her career and achieve positions, but it's not directed specifically 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:19.040 at Adam Henny. Adam Henny needs to run the department 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.040 to the best of his abilition. This time, he seems 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:22.880 like a qualified good guy too. They like him and 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:26.320 you know, but it's during this I mean, certainly your 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.080 sister Terry Thiji is the main victim of this thing. 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.080 But I feel for him too because he's stuck between 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.920 a rock and hard pace right now. To some degree, 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.760 he wanted the job that goes with it. 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.480 I get it. I can be empathetic towards him as well. 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.080 So has any word? Is there any indication what's going 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.200 to happen next? And how long? Okay, the report came out. 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.000 Now you think at this point where like we're going 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:50.520 to fire her or we're going to bring her back 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:51.880 and nothing from the city. 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:52.320 What are you hearing? 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:56.360 Nothing regarding any timelines of anything. And the anticipation is 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.560 the termination will come and then mister m will do 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:02.040 whatever that process is and we'll go forward from there. 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:03.960 I know Steve, he's a really good attorney. He's very 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:04.280 good at this. 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.280 He's a he's a super good guy. He's a carrying guy. 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.680 He's been very beneficial to Terry, and we thank him 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.480 and the Finny Law firm tremendously to this point. 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.240 All Right, Yeah, it's an imperfect system no matter who's 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.280 in charge. But I think everyone listenings is pretty empathetic 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.240 Torch her sister going, she got shafted in this whole thing. 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.840 And because it us about you know, violent crime and 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:25.960 Fountain Square and the beatdown, Well, guess what what did 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:26.440 we just have? 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:28.320 We just have had more violent crime. We had a 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:32.000 mass shooting, we had street takeovers, we had you know 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.160 what happened on opening day, and it's going to be 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.600 a tough summer for sure. But if they're throwing that 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.120 this is Terry's fault, that the crime is high, and 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.000 we're having all the say it's it ain't her, and 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:43.560 it's going to continue under Henny. 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:47.560 Not only one was it not? Is it not? Numbers 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.520 have deteriorated since she was removed in October, And yeah, 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:52.880 you know, crime fighting and problem solving is a very 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.160 difficult complex. 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.640 And that was in the winter cold winner. Yeah, I 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:58.600 fear for what's gonna happen for our city with the 0:15:58.600 --> 0:15:59.359 warm summer. 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:03.320 Months coming'ern and we pray for We truly do pray 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.320 for and feel for the members in the community. But 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:10.560 the safety of the membership is paramount to Terry, and 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.400 so we're hoping that those numbers don't continue to rise, 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.160 and if they do continue to rise, that the membership 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:16.960 remains safe. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:21.400 He is Russ Neville is Terry Thigi's brother, not speaking 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.800 for he but speaking as a for the family and 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.000 which what she's going through at this point. I appreciate 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.560 coming in this morning, Rus, Thank you appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:31.320 of course, and give her my best too, because she's 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.040 always come on the show and been Now sometimes we've 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.600 been confrontational, but she always answered the bell, so I 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:40.480 appreciate that confrontation support that really is all the best, 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.560 and give our best to Terry. It's a Scott flowing 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.840 show with news in just medical recapped the President's address 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.040 last night. Gas prices going back up as a result. 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.600 Will unsort it in minutes here on seven hundred w 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:58.200 All w thanks again to Russ Neville, Terry Thigi's brother 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:02.880 speaking for the family and interesting times. Indeed, now the 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:04.960 balls in the city's court that gets this report out 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.440 says that Terry Thiji is the worst person in the 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.280 world because that's why they paid them to fight out. 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.480 No surprise there, Stephen is right as a hatchet job 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:15.840 to some degree. There may be some merits and some 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.359 facts in there, for sure, but let's face it, you 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.919 the taxpayer of the city of Cincinnati paying for this report, 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.600 paying for the attorneys, and that will certainly to think 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.480 this is somehow I don't know, like the prosecutor's officer 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.840 or some sort of investigation with the truth to find 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:32.840 out there's an agenda here, because that's what lawyers argue. 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:34.880 They ar give that all the time, so I think 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:38.240 that's also missed for most of the public anyway, that yeah, 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.040 this is put in the context of the city wants 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.199 a certain outcome, and that's why I took six months 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.119 five six months for this report to come out, and 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:49.359 they had to extend the fact finding for how long 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.480 to view the thirty three people to find what they 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:55.360 wanted to find and find clause to get rid of her. 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:59.320 Now they're looking at public backlash on this, because I 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.679 think I don't think there's been a poll on about it. 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:02.640 But I'm pretty good. 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:04.480 One of the things I'm few things I'm good at 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.280 would be judging public sentiment and I think the sentiment 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.400 of most people are like, she got kind of shafted here, 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.560 because it's not like, you know, we put new things 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:16.040 in place and crime stopped. It's getting worse measurably. And 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:17.960 that was during the cold winter months. We'll see what 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:22.520 summer brings. As always, opening day might be indication of 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.600 what's coming. Guy, you hope not and hope that it 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:26.760 goes back the other way, but it doesn't look like 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:28.800 that's going to happen anytime soon. Is it the fault 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.639 of the police chief, whether it's Fiji or Henny, or 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.080 it's the fault of politics and policies at city Hall 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.600 that voters want? Clearly they want that, and is that 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.080 what this looks like? But it's going to be very 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:45.280 expensive and very interesting in the coming days, weeks, probably months, 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:50.120 if not years, if not years. Last night, the President, 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.160 by the way, watching a NonStop footage here of something 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.560 that we need is uplifting literally and figuratively, and that 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.280 would be the Artemis Tuo mission. The worst thing we 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.560 said is that the toilets weren't working for a period 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.600 of time, which I joke with ten Reguez Yester on 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.640 the show. I said, hey, you know, you got, well, 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:09.240 I think a couple of women or one woman, a 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:09.760 bunch of guys. 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.919 How many times you stop at BUCkies? Hey, there's a BUCkies. 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.640 Let's step And I was joking, but maybe you need 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:17.159 to use a restaurant along the way somewhere. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.280 But they got the bathroom working. If I can offer. 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:24.719 This, it's one thing when the sign says please do 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:29.320 not flush anything besides toilet paper, we mean it as 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:31.840 a guy who fixes that kind of stuff. I'm telling you, 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:36.600 we mean it. Feninte products, dude wipes, whatever it is. 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.679 Y'all are flushing there in the rocket. 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.880 Stop it. Just use the toilet. 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:43.880 It's not a garbage If we have a garbage can 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:45.280 for that, we got recycling. 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.840 Don't flush non. 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:54.840 Toilet paper products, please, and thank you, your colleagues, your coworkers, 0:19:55.800 --> 0:20:03.040 your ass fellow astronauts, appreciate that. Thank you. Last night 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:05.199 President Trump spoke. I did not get a chance to 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:06.960 watch it. I was actually working on plumbing, believe it 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.840 or not, but saw some highlights and you know where's 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.800 things stand now. The problem with Trump is, as you know, 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.720 there's to my opinion, there's a number of good things 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.560 in there. The problem is It's like, if you would 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.080 just stick to a one message rather than meander all 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:23.760 over the place, we'd be much better. And I know 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.119 I am guilty of that often on this show, so 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.760 I identify with Trump on that. But the problem is 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:32.280 you go, well, you know, regime changes in our goal. 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.640 But then he said all the regimes leaders are dead, 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:39.080 So who are you negotiating with? And are you negotiating 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.320 And there's no clear finish line here, which is typical 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:45.040 regardless of the president, that we have no exit strategy. 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:48.520 The discussions are ongoing with the regime we just decimated. 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.600 And also I will say that when we say we're 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:53.040 going to bomb them back the Stone Age, but we're 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:55.719 gonna negotiate. It's I can see why the markets are 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:57.760 knowing what they're doing today, because it left me confused, 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:02.200 quite honestly. But all in all, we know that Iran 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.160 has been the number one state sponsor of terrorism for decades. 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:08.679 You know, you go back to in my lifetime eighty 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:12.159 three in the Beirut Marine Barracks bombing to two one 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.240 hundred and forty one Americans killed, And that's when we're 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:17.960 put out noticed Iran to bad people. If that wasn't 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:23.280 the case. It certainly was seventy nine, right four years 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:27.399 prior with the takeover the American embassy and then the hostages. 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.440 When Iran beat in every previous administration, by the way, 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:35.679 tried diplomacy, it's never really stopped them, and so we 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.720 just keep kicking the can. Obama's nuclear deal gave Iran 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:40.959 sanctioned and they gave him relief, and it gave him 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:44.439 a glide path to a bomb, and Trump ended that 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.800 in his first term when they started rebuilding a secret 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.639 site after what was it Operation I think it was 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:52.280 like Midnight Midnight Hammer or something like that. Hammer time 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:56.640 they confirmed the negotiate agreements. We're never going to hold. 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:59.080 It's kind of like the peace deal with Israel and 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:03.280 pick someone else, which we'll get to about ten oh six. 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.960 Because it's anti Semitism driving this whole thing. Got a 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:07.840 guess on that coming up on the show, because that's 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:12.040 really the root of this whole thing. But you know, 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:15.440 they never want anything to lie lasting piece as a joke. 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:17.879 They keep peace just long enough so they can continue 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.880 their nuclear program. That's a problem. And if you don't 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:22.360 belive me, look at the region. Look at how many 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:25.159 people are look at how many countries are aligned with 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:26.880 the United States on this, like I'm on and other 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:30.440 or not the countries in the region there that are 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:33.440 on our side saying, you know what, this is making 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:35.600 it difficult for us to print money, and that's what 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:36.159 they want to do. 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:37.800 Those they want to print money. 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:41.440 Iran is the one screw this thing up, and a 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:44.160 nuclear under Ran isn't a regional problem, it's a global one, 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:47.680 and the biggest problem right now. The biggest worry for 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:50.520 Israel would be Iran. For sure, they get nukes, it's 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:54.639 over and regime the chance death to America for forty 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:58.120 seven years. Okay, what do you think that's just it's marketing. 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:01.960 I kind of believe that. And it's the regime. It's 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.080 not the people, because the people are oppressed and they 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:08.000 want freedom and we are really really bad at nation building. 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:12.000 I understand this whole thing. Military in thirty days, by 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.160 the way, we blew up, their navy's done. The air 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:18.439 force is dismantled, They've got a command structure collapsing, and 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:22.560 their missile productions crippled. Okay, so the hard part's kind 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:22.920 of done. 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:23.200 There. 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:26.840 The hopefully temporary problem here is gasoline at four bucks 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:29.000 a gallon. That hurts all of us in a time 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:32.399 where we are paying more for seemingly everything and the 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:35.240 cost of living is extreme right now. And is that 0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:37.880 Trump's doing in this case? It is, But I will 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:41.719 say that you know, Tehran is extorting world markets by 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:45.480 charging tankers for safe packeting pack They're not exactly when 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:47.280 you do this, like okay, we'll let's come through, but 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:51.840 we're going to charge a toll. Not exactly the kind 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:55.680 of people you want having nukes. Now, I've been hearing 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:57.840 about nukes ever since what the ninety in Iran's got 0:23:57.880 --> 0:23:59.840 news Irans, and we saw what happened in rack under Bush. 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:01.240 I understand, I appreciate, But. 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:03.280 To me, it's like, Okay, you go in, you blow 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:06.040 a bunch of stuff up, you set them back, you 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:08.280 cut off the head of the gime. They'll get another 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:12.480 totalitarian in there, his son, and they'll run things with 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:14.480 an iron fist, and then in ten years we do 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:16.320 it all, we wipe. You just kind of kind of 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:18.840 keep waiting, and so it's kind of like punishing a dog. 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:19.640 I guess. 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:23.879 Eventually, you know, you correct the dog's behavior and the 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:27.040 dog will learn it's taken. It's gonna take sixty seventy 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:29.600 hundred year should that happen. It's pretty dumb. Round's a 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:33.000 pretty dumb dog. But I think that seems the best 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:34.520 thing is do we want boots on the ground. Nobody 0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:37.320 wants boots on the ground. Oh, we've added what ten 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:39.520 thousand more troops there? We were at add forty. I 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:42.000 had the other thing too, so as fifty thousand troops, Yeah, 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:44.960 we had forty thousand there already. We've got bases there. 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:47.760 No one wants to see we lost thirteen. We don't 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:49.920 want to see another thirteen. We don't want to see 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:51.760 another one. We don't want to see more troops injured. 0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:55.080 I get that, but that's what we have a military for. 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:59.120 And the allies that benefit most, which would be Saudi Arabia, 0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:02.080 the UE, the Gull States, Israel, they're fully on board 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:05.919 with this. And you know, I've not liked the UN 0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:08.479 and NATO for me for a long time has been like, okay, 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:10.280 well are they turning into the UN in a sense 0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:12.280 that you know, if you want the straight open, you 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:14.560 can help throw some money and some effort in protecting it. 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:17.159 You want your cheap oil, but you don't want to 0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:21.160 pay the freight, and I understand that. I think from 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.439 an American point of view. In America first point of view, 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:25.640 that makes a lot of sense to me. That way 0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:28.360 are the world's police officers first and foremost. But yeah, 0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:30.400 these other nations are doing okay because of that, maybe 0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:32.720 you can kick in a little bit. It's like having 0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:34.320 that friend you go for a road trip or you're 0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:36.440 driving somewhere and they never kick in for gas, get 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:39.280 some scratch of the petrol man, let's go, time to 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:42.920 pay up. And now Trump's been begging them to come 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:44.560 protect the straight if this thing works out. 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:45.160 At some point. 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:47.080 Now he turns around and says, well, now you weren't 0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:48.840 willing to help us, We got your oil back, so 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:50.920 now we're going to come at you. And he kind 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:53.960 of alluded to that with America being the world's foremost 0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:56.840 producer petroleum and now that we've got Venezuela on board, 0:25:57.600 --> 0:25:59.720 things are looking pretty good. It's a short term pain. 0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:01.920 I just wish you were a little more clear about 0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:04.119 what it is we're doing, what the endgame was, because 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:06.200 there are a lot of contradictions he said yesterday, which 0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:08.960 is I think that's affecting market. So if he could 0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:11.600 stay focused on the argument, I think he makes a 0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:13.480 really good case. Or what we're doing here. I don't 0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:15.240 want to see a ground invasion. I don't think we're 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:17.479 good at regime change and state building. We're horrible at 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:19.440 that stuff. But you go, when you blow some stuff up, 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:21.920 you'll let them sort it out and they'll start rebuilding 0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:24.480 right away, and then ten years from now they get 0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:28.280 close to that sixty percent mark of refinement, you do 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:32.480 it again and you'll hope you know again, Does that 0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:35.480 mean more extremism or terrorism. Yeah, but they've always done that. 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:39.560 So in this case, rather than just letting it go, 0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:41.359 I kind of get what we're doing here now. In 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.480 the short term, gas prices suck. That is also that's 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:47.119 part of the problem, and it's certainly helping Democrats at 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:49.760 this point. But yeah, the idea we just ignore them 0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.520 or give them candy and they'll behave it hasn't happened. 0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:53.320 It's never happened. 0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:56.840 And I guess it's part of my generation too, having 0:26:56.880 --> 0:27:01.439 grown up post Cold War, that I get that they 0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:05.440 are the biggest threat in that entire region. Now, can 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:07.439 you get them back to where they were pre seventy 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:10.240 nine into democracy, and that'd be wonderful. But you know 0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:13.520 what'll happen. There'll be another Middle Eastern state that'll pop 0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:16.800 back up and try to take that sortaly laid down. 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:18.520 Someone else will pick it up. That's just the nature 0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:20.960 of things. This is gonna be going on with our 0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:23.919 great great great grandchildren's lifetimes. It always adds and going 0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:25.320 on to that kind of strife there's going on for 0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:28.399 thousands of years. It's just new because we have nuclear 0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:32.240 weapons in modern times. News coming up in about twelve 0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:35.200 here on seven hundred ww I mentioned anti semitism Robert 0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:37.320 Spencer and that coming up in minutes, which is really 0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:40.120 the root of this whole thing. This is a feels 0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:44.320 versus common sense and you know, I, mister common sense, 0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:47.800 feels versus common sense kind of issue for me and 0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:49.760 the victimhood. And I believe you know, here's the thing. 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.359 Treat everybody fine, treat everybody good. You do whatever the 0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:53.879 hell you want. I don't care what you do as 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:57.280 long as you don't step on my toes. To me, 0:27:57.400 --> 0:27:59.000 that's kind of how I love my life. We don't 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:00.880 have a problem till you know, you start getting into 0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:02.840 MySpace and I think we have that here. So this 0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:06.359 one on Nashville, she flies on Southwest. She said Southwest 0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:09.720 refused to let her board a flight to lax without 0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.000 purchasing an additional seat under new policy requiring customers who 0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.200 quote unquote encroach upon neighboring seats to buy extra seating. 0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:18.920 That says what that means encroaching on the other seats. 0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:22.119 It means you're a big person. I just doesn't mean 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.040 you're fat. I'm sure there's plenty of NFL players at 0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:26.760 fatnet category as well, but generally think a thick folk. 0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:31.040 And she was asked that, she said, well, can I 0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:33.679 test if I sit in the feet? Look, you're not 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:35.440 going to fit in this. You can fit in the seat, 0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:37.640 but are you going to spill over into someone else's airspace? 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.400 And the whole thing happened with the credit because it's 0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:43.800 a long confledged story. But anyway, she flew on Delta. 0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:45.800 She had to pay for three point fifty there, and 0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.720 I don't know how Delta accommodat or whatever the problem is. 0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:50.080 That's right, it's one of those stories that comes out. 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:52.280 It's gonna be about body shaming that you can't treat 0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:54.640 her this way. You have to treat her like everyone else. Look, 0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:57.840 I treat you everyone else, but you want special accommodation. 0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:03.520 So we know that airline seats are tiny. Okay, I 0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:05.840 get in there. I've got wide shoulders. I used to 0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:08.080 have a wider ass, but it's less wide these days. 0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:09.840 I'm trying to do what I can do. I fit 0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.520 in there. I'm fine. Sometimes we shoulder bump. I can't 0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:14.680 do anything about that. But I'm in my seat. It's 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.640 not like I'm spilling over into someone else's. It's talking 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:22.200 like I'm you know, Dwayn Johnson or something. But I've 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.040 had sat next to people before, and it's like, here's 0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:27.200 the thing. If if you are big and you can't 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:33.360 keep your body in over the the arm rests, you know, 0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:34.600 you have the arm rest of war going on. 0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:35.040 I get that. 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:37.080 But you know, if you're coming over to my territory 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:39.840 and then you got my two seats, this isn't about 0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:41.680 body shaming, it's not about any of that. So it's 0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:44.800 common sense. It's like you're paying, you're getting more than 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:46.760 you paid for. I paid for my seat and you're 0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.360 taking you know, a third or quarter my seat. We 0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:52.720 got a problem because I paid for this space right here, 0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:55.800 and you are on my space. It's about the space. 0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:58.840 You can be big, you just can't be in my area. 0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:03.080 That's how that is. Every story like this focus on 0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:05.440 the person asked to buy a second seat. Nobody talks 0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:07.560 to the I don't know, five foot ten guy who 0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:09.640 spent a four or flight with his shoulder crush, his 0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:11.760 armor is gone and half his paid seat occupied by 0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:15.320 someone else. They bought a full seat, they showed up, 0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:17.479 They did nothing wrong. Isn't any different than a family 0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.800 that goes well, we bought the cheapest fare and we 0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:22.600 expect to all be seated together. So you have to 0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:24.600 give up my seat so my toddler can sit next 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:26.560 to me. Sorry, no, you didn't pay the I pay 0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:28.520 the extra to get the seat. You don't get the 0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:31.720 seat because you show up and you pay this. It's 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:33.800 a mixed up world. This is why airline travel sucks. 0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:36.120 Of course, the airlines don't do anything about this. I 0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:37.920 let people fight in the back, and then when they 0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:40.360 act out towards a flight attendant, then that's when it 0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:44.080 becomes a national story. So they're complicit in this whole 0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:47.600 thing too, And the part of the story that gets 0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:49.480 buried is I believe I have to have Jay Ratliffe 0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:52.240 about this. But Southwest policy includes a full refund for 0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:54.120 the second seat if the flight is in full. I 0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.880 don't think anyone else is doing that, And they all 0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:00.400 have similar sized policies and none of them offer a 0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:01.200 refund cushion. 0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:01.400 There. 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:03.120 I thought of. 0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:05.200 The other thing too, is maybe here's what you do 0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:06.640 is let the free markets work. Because you I'm a 0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:09.520 free market kind of guy. Is here's the thing, all right, 0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:11.680 if you're bigger, you don't want to buy the extra seat, 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.920 you seat them next to someone who's thinner because they 0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.040 don't use all their seat. You get some I don't know, 0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:20.400 some bony, skeletor looking chick. You put her in there 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:22.200 next to the big and then everyone works out so 0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:24.360 you're only using ay if you're using two thirds of 0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:26.400 your seat, I got a third of the seat to give. However, 0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.720 here's the deal. You pay less money. So now we're 0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:31.360 down to this whole thing. How much space do you 0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:35.320 take up? Maybe we ought to start weighing passengers. Maybe 0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.320 it's like, I don't know, you go down to Houston, 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:40.280 Texas and they're having some sort of cattle drive. You 0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:42.560 get on the scale. Here you go, you're at show weight. 0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:44.440 Get on the plane. Here's your seat, you sit next 0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:46.520 to the thin Maybe we need to do something. I 0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:47.880 don't know how you do? You know what though I 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:49.520 was gonna say, how do you do that? But with 0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:52.280 AI and facial recognition, all the technology that haven't they 0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:53.920 could be much easier than ever before. 0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:56.720 You let AI sort it out. 0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:59.120 Here's where you sit the nextion, But then how do 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:01.600 you sort out sitting next to your someone you're traveling with. 0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:04.080 I guess I don't know. Maybe I'm making it a 0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:05.680 bigger deal than it. This seems like, you know, it's 0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:14.480 like it's like Jenga human Jenga in Southwest announced a 0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:17.080 new policy saying, okay, we know that they're no longer 0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:18.960 it's you know, the free for all where people run 0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:21.760 on the plane. And it's kind of like, I haven't 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.239 flown Southwest in a long time, and I used to 0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.320 before I've had this good experience, but the whole nowadays, 0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:29.760 you know, running to your seat because there's no assigned seating. 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:35.200 It's it's like hours before the WBN fireworks, you know, 0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:38.040 but people are putting their tarpaut with duct tape. On it, 0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:40.760 saying this is their seat on the Serpentine wall. It 0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:43.840 might work down on Labor Day weekend, but it doesn't 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:46.920 really work when you're taking a flight to the Denver 0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:50.640 or something. The woman finally suit said, the policy is 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.480 based on perception of no guidelines, but that's not accurate either. 0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:57.240 And you know, seat belts, armorss, trade tables, they're not 0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:01.920 comfort feature, they're essentially safety equipment. Flight attendants are stewardess 0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.920 is until they become flight attendants really where their job 0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:06.360 is to keep you alive in the event and the 0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:08.520 rare event of an emergency. And that's what they're there for. 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:10.440 And we've talked about this with service animals, and the 0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.240 line that there's going to be an incident that's going 0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:15.800 to cost lives because of these stupid feel good policies 0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:19.480 is what it is. And I think you know, once again, 0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.240 like anything, the gate agent handling was poor. They canceled 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:25.400 the original ticket before securing the second seat payment and 0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:26.040 they all these things. 0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:27.800 It all happens at gate. It's like, that's why I 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:28.920 get in trouble. 0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:31.680 I don't have room for my carry on because someone's 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:34.240 got a cello that they somehow got through and put 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.960 in the overhead bent and took fifty spaces up. Go Well, 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:38.840 why don't you just do your job? Better job policing. 0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.440 But they don't want it. Nobody wants to have this conversation, 0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:44.200 which is exactly why the airlines have been avoiding it 0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:47.320 for well over twenty years, and why the passengers the 0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:49.600 middle seat has been silent. I will speak for the 0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:53.280 miserable middle seat passenger, having done that before. What about 0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:55.840 the middle seat passenger? Don't they deserve every right to 0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:59.160 comfort as everyone else? What about their feels? We'll do 0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:02.040 news Outslan show on the Home of the Red seven 0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:03.680 hundred WW Cincinnati. 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:05.760 Do you want to be an American? 0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:10.600 Got flowed here on seven hundred WLW. President speaking last 0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:13.920 night on the Big One and talked about what's happening 0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:16.680 in Iran. We saw the markets react negatively today because 0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:19.000 he said another two to three weeks, so we're negotiating, 0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.600 but we may flatten them. And so again a lot 0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:24.320 of mixed messages coming out of that speech last night. However, 0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:26.600 one constant remains true, and that is the problem that 0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:29.400 is Iran. But it's part of a much bigger problem, 0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:31.880 and that is anti Semitism. We were called back on 0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.800 October seven, twenty twenty three, when a mass attacked Israel. 0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:37.680 Here in the US, even we have college campus is 0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:41.359 rife with anti Semitism and Iran and Israel going at 0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:43.880 it there war now this one with the United States, 0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:46.040 and the goal is to stop them from having and 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:49.319 acquiring nuclear weapons. That's a decent goal, but it's been 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:52.040 impossible to do so far. Robert Spencer is here to 0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:53.799 put it in perspective, and this is all has to 0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:56.600 do with anti Semitism, which he studies at the Horowitz 0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:57.279 Freedom Center. 0:34:57.560 --> 0:34:59.680 Robert, welcome, good morning, How are you say? 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:00.920 Good get to talk to you. 0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:03.800 Yes, sir, I look at this whole thing, and it 0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.600 seems to me that we are never ever ever going 0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:08.760 to have peace in the Middle East in our lifetime 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:10.480 and most likely in our children's lifetime. 0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:10.719 Yeah. 0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:14.719 Absolutely, But you're unfortunately you were correct. This problem is 0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:17.680 and nobody wants to acknowledge this in Washington really or 0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:22.440 anywhere else. But the problem is that the Islamic religion 0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:25.640 dictates than any land that was ruled by Muslims at 0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:28.239 any time belongs to them forever, and so they will 0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:30.880 never accept ever the state of Israel. 0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:32.720 There will always. 0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:35.080 Be fighting against it as long as there are people 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:38.400 who believe in Islam. And so this is one element 0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:42.200 of the conflict that none of the foreign policy experts 0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:45.680 in Washington have ever faced. And yet really it's the key, 0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:48.000 the defining aspect of the whole thing. 0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:51.000 Well, there's a nuance there, like a lot of religions, right, 0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:56.440 and that is the hardliners, the hard line Islamist, the Hamas, yeah, Hesbalah. 0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:56.719 Right. 0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:59.440 There are plenty of Muslims who can get along with Jews. 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:03.080 We've seen that before, and unfortunately it's just those in power, 0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:07.080 those that seek power and essentially take areas over, these 0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:08.560 are the ones enforcing those values. 0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:10.600 I mean, I look literally exactly. 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:13.279 So yeah, yeah, both science have to want peace in 0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.520 order for that to occur, and both sides have to give. 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:17.640 Things to give the impression that this is something that 0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:20.480 every Muslim in the world thinks. But the problem is 0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:24.360 that because these guys are basing their hatred of Israel 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:27.480 on Islamic principle, it's never going to go away. There 0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.640 will always see some of the Muslims who think, oh, yeah. 0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:32.760 Well, this is our religious duty to fight Israel. 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:34.600 If you go back in history, which you're in a 0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:37.080 story and you know full on good is that. I 0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:39.640 think there could have been peace all along. But Palestinians 0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:44.200 continually reject every piece off opportunity for statehood ever made. 0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.279 It started in forty seven, it happened in sixty seven 0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:50.080 after the Sixth Day War, it happened with Clinton and Arafat. 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:52.760 In two thousand and two thousand and eight, the Israeli 0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:57.200 Prime minister's name escapes me now met with Mamoudabas there. Yeah, yeah, 0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:00.759 the President of Palestine and said, here, percent of the 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:03.359 West Bank will swap some land, you guys take that over. 0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:05.719 He acknowledged the offering, he said, well it's too and 0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:07.680 didn't even show up to the next meeting, didn't even 0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:09.920 to schedule it. So if you've done that over the 0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:14.759 course of what eight decades, I just don't think they 0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:16.600 want peace exactly. 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:20.680 And they don't want peace because it goes against this 0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:25.080 religious imperative, and so they feel like they if mock 0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:28.560 foot a Bus were to say today that he wants peace, 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:32.400 he'd be overthrown by the hardliners. And so this is 0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:35.759 a dilemma that anybody who does want peace on the 0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:37.800 Palestinian side has to say. 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:39.200 The ceasefire, the peace. 0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:41.520 This time around, it just feels fleeting, like you know, 0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:44.799 someone probably Iran is going to launch an attack. It 0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:47.200 is probably after they fully developed and say okay, we 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:49.080 have nuclear weapons right now, pull off for the pull 0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:51.520 out of the treaty. You're going to know that they 0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:54.000 mean business and they're not going to stop until they do, 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:55.880 which is the horrific part of this whole thing. We 0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:57.560 had the Six Day War, the twelve Day War, we 0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:01.760 had the quick ceasefire. It's just a never ending story 0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:05.080 and it's just moving towards something that's going to change 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:05.760 the world forever. 0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:08.799 Just it can't be done. So this could be. 0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:14.040 The shortest interview ever. I mean, I honestly, it's always 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:16.520 an issue. Anti Semitism is rising. It's ugly head again 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:18.799 here in America and elsewhere, and there are waves of this. 0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:20.879 But for the life of me, this is a problem 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.520 should have been solved long ago. But you have unwilling 0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:28.000 participants that simply don't want that. And yet I look 0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:30.640 at what's happening on college campuses where they're literally calling 0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:33.560 for death to Jews and Zionists, and I have a 0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:34.520 hard time digesting that. 0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:36.920 I'll be honest with you, Well, it's coming from the 0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:41.640 left to tremendous degree that is set against Israel because 0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:44.719 they're socialist internationalists. They don't like the idea of a 0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:48.160 state that's based on a particular aspect of people when 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.520 they want to erase all the differences between people and 0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:53.320 make it all equal. And then you have the Islamic 0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:56.560 anti semitism that comes out of the Qur'an. And here again, 0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:58.720 you know, we can say, sure, there are many millions 0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:02.399 of Muslims who don't subscribe this. Unfortunately, those that do 0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:04.920 are out on the college campuses screening these things that 0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:09.280 you mentioned, and working with the left to menace Jewish 0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:12.400 students and pro Israel students. This is something that the 0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:15.520 Trump administration is cracking down upon, and quite rightly. 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:19.319 I guess common sense knows no age group for sure, 0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.280 or level of education as we've seen at college campuses 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:23.479 or elsewhere for that matter. 0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:26.600 I look at this situation just leaves me scratching my heads. 0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:29.160 I'm not quite sure what the college campus protesters want. 0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:32.200 They just want Israel to simply go away. They you know, 0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:34.719 every time Israel backs off, you have a Maha. I mean, 0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:38.440 explain the October attacks of twenty twenty three, where you're 0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:41.960 literally raping women, You're taking young people and holding them 0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:44.160 hostage for days and weeks and months. 0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:46.520 I just to what ends. 0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:49.200 I mean, you want to stop the peril in Gaza 0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:52.160 and living conditions are terrible, but every time it seems 0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:55.440 like Israel gives them an inch. Hamas exploits that. You know, 0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:57.440 the idea that we can't fish more than ten miles 0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:00.840 off our shore, that's because they opened it up before 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.839 and i'm as started bringing running guns and everything else 0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:05.480 into that country, so I had to shut it down. 0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:09.439 It's completely the actions of this terrorist group. And yet 0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:12.040 that's never reflected back to them. Somehow, this is Israel 0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:16.719 being petulant and want to exterminate Palestinians, which I don't 0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:17.359 understand that. 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:20.359 Well, you know, the chance on the campuses has been 0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:22.840 from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:26.160 That means from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. 0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:29.680 Every inch of Israel is between those two places and 0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:32.280 those two bodies of water. And so what they're saying 0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:35.160 is they want to destroy Israel completely. And then you've 0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:37.760 got the question, okay, They're nine million people in Israel, 0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:41.120 seven million Jews and two million Arabs. What happens to them? 0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:45.040 And apparently what the people who are at least running 0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:48.520 these protests want is for those people to be killed. 0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:51.160 It was even a Palestinian leader who said, We're not 0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:53.080 even going to let them keep their graves. We're going 0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:55.319 to make the Jews dig up their graves and take 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:57.840 them out of this country. Not a single Jew is 0:40:57.880 --> 0:40:59.720 going to live in the Palestinian state. 0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:04.120 And we also have, you know, the refugee issues in 0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:08.200 their security concerns, political decisions, divisions I'm sure even within 0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:13.080 even with the Palestinian group. But if you truly want peace, 0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:17.080 you can't be an extremist here. You can't create a 0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:19.399 future where neither side lives in fear of the It's 0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:21.040 just that that's got to happen. You got to realize 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:25.399 at some point that you know, Jews in Israel, that 0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:28.720 that nation's not going to go away, nor the Palestine Palestinians, 0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:31.200 and at some point you think that, hey, we've got 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:34.680 to recognize each other. But that hasn't happened in one 0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:36.640 hundred years, so I have no hope of that happening. 0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:41.239 Immediately No, And well I explained why it's never going 0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:43.840 to happen because it goes against what a lot of 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:47.120 these people see as their religious imperatives. And so it's 0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.200 very hard to surmount that you don't go to a 0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:51.880 negotiating table and give away your religion. 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:54.160 You know, it's it's not negotiable. 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.400 Robert Spencer on the Scotslane Show is with the Horowitz 0:41:57.480 --> 0:42:01.760 Freedom Center and last night and Trump spoke about Iran 0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:04.080 and what the mission is sort of kind of in 0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:06.600 a Trump way. Nonetheless, we're bombing the hell out of 0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:09.160 them until they acquiesced. But this is all the root 0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:10.920 of this whole thing is anti Semitism, and how do 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:12.480 you make that go away? It solves a lot of 0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:14.759 problems in the lease, but in our lifetime I don't 0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:17.799 see it happening because anti Semitism feel like they're getting worse. 0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.640 Robert, Oh, there's no doubt about it, Scott whatsoever. Especially 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:24.319 in Europe, we see people being Jewish, people are just 0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:26.960 being randomly attacked on the street. Actually we've seen that 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:29.520 in the United States as well. In New York and 0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:34.040 Pennsylvania and Philly. They were targeting a deli that was 0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:36.720 owned by a Jewish guy just because he was Jewish, 0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:39.160 has nothing to do with the state of Israel, nothing 0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:40.040 to do with Gaza. 0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:42.760 The core of this problem, Robert is it's a radical 0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:45.840 theocracy over there. That's really the issue. They control everything, 0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:47.120 the thought, the speech. 0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:47.200 All of it. 0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:47.880 Yeah. 0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:51.720 Well, they are notoriously opposed to the freedom of speech 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:55.759 and dialogue. And so this is something that comes out 0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:59.520 of the international left, which is intolerant of dissent, and 0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.160 we see it on these college campuses. There's no discussion, 0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:07.359 there's no debate. Usually the opposition, the pro Israel side, 0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:09.960 doesn't even get a chance to have a hearing. And 0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:15.080 this is something that is really contrary to the very 0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:17.360 idea of what a university is supposed to be about. 0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:18.520 But that doesn't stop them. 0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:19.040 Of course. 0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:22.840 We're talking about the history of anti Semitism. What the 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:24.839 roots of this is? An historian? Where did it begin? 0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:30.360 It comes out of four different sources Christianity, Islam, national 0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:34.920 socialism which is Nazism, and international socialism which is communism. 0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:39.120 And communism is really what's driving it mostly today the 0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:44.640 impulse to collectivize everything, to make everybody the same, which 0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:48.080 cuts against the idea of the Jewish state. Christianity is 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:50.640 the only one of those four where anti Semitism has 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.880 been officially repudiated at the top by the leaders of 0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:58.080 the church. It still exists in Islam with no rejection 0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:04.200 from anyone. Still exists among the resurgent Nazis. We see 0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:12.160 nowadays that's alleged historian Darryl Cooper out getting widely watched 0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:19.000 platforms essentially recreate repeating talking points from the Nazis. And 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:22.240 it's astonishing what's going on these days. But it seems 0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:25.240 as if it's always been an undercurrent under the surface 0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:28.439 and is now using the alleged sins of the state 0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:29.720 of Israel to break out again. 0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:30.879 And throughout history. 0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.000 I always found this interesting too, that throughout history, like 0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:36.040 a lot of oppressed groups, right Jews were often restricted 0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:41.319 to professional money lending, for example, right new stereotyp and 0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:44.840 now because of a massed wealth and success and power 0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:47.879 and financial influence, somehow that's looked at as well, this 0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:49.640 is how they get Yet, which wait a minute, if 0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:52.040 you force someone into doing this and they're really to 0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:54.880 be really good at it, I don't understand how you 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:57.959 could be upset and angery with something you forced people 0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:01.640 to do so profession. Back then, we're limited, as I understand, 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:05.760 and somehow money lending was frowned upon as a legitimate 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:08.240 source of income or supporting your family, and Jews thrived 0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:10.239 at this, and now years later it's used against them. 0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:13.400 Yeah, you're absolutely right. As a matter of fact, this 0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:15.680 has been going on for centuries. It becomes out of 0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:20.680 Catholic Europe, where usury was considered to be a sin, 0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:24.879 and so the Christians didn't engage in money lending and 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:26.759 the Jews did it, and then they were blamed for 0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:29.879 only wanting money and being obsessed with money and so on. 0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:32.799 And this has become one of the central claims of 0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:35.200 the anti Semis to this day, the idea that they 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:40.399 control international banking and finance and star wars and so 0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:43.200 on as a result in order just to increase their 0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:46.759 profits from weapons and various other things. And it really 0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:48.560 all comes out of the fact that most of the 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.919 other professions were forbidden to them, and so they went 0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:56.839 into banking and so on, and actually the Christian Europeans 0:45:56.880 --> 0:46:01.960 needed them because they needed the banks. Yeah, then bothered 0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:04.040 them for being involved in banking. 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:07.040 And which they are forced to begin with. 0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:10.279 The other that element of this thing too is and 0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:12.440 you know, you look at Islam is holding onto this, 0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:15.360 but it seems like Christianity generally has gotten over. You know, 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:18.919 Historically Jews are portrayed as what Christ killers right and 0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:23.160 and they were looked upon the same derision today. Is 0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:25.600 Islam the only major religion laft that really has this 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:32.160 want to want to attack Jews and essentially restrict Zionism 0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:34.399 and reputed all that stuff. I think the only major 0:46:34.400 --> 0:46:36.680 religion left that's that's come out as anti semi. 0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:36.960 It's now. 0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:39.239 You may have pockets in other areas, but as a 0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:42.279 religious organized religion, I think most others don't look at 0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:42.840 it that way anywhere? 0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:43.040 Do they? 0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:43.560 Am I wrong? 0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:47.680 Well, unfortunately, you've got various aspects of the Koran, the 0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:50.720 Holy Book of Islam, that teach things like the Jews 0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.560 are the worst enemies of the Muslims Chapter five, verse 0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:58.040 eighty two, that the Jews will be at the end 0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:00.879 of the world. This is a prophecy from Maha that's 0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:03.240 in the traditions in the Hidiz, not in the Qoran. 0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:06.600 But it says that the last day will not come 0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:10.760 until Muslims kill Jews and the Jews will hide behind trees, 0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:12.719 and the trees will call out a Muslim, there's a 0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:16.400 Jew hiding behind me, Come and kill him now, you know. 0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:19.000 Here again it can always be said. Obviously, not every 0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:22.640 Muslim takes that for take that seriously. But those that do, 0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:25.719 they think they can bring on the end times, they 0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:31.759 can hasten the consummation of all things by killing Jews. 0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:34.600 And so this is of course a very dangerous idea 0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:37.520 to have, but it's rooted in the religious texts. 0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:41.279 Yeah, and I think most still, I don't know if all, 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:43.399 certainly not all Muslims do that. Is there a growing 0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:45.880 number of people who are more moderate in Islam. And 0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:48.120 I say that because I look at Iran and they 0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:50.960 look like a democracy fifty years ago. 0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:53.600 Well, you know, you've got lots of millions and millions 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.719 of people who are moderate in Islam, who are not 0:47:57.200 --> 0:48:01.320 acting upon those passages and not taking them as marching 0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:04.880 orders for today. The problem is that you also have 0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:06.160 others who are. 0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:11.080 And the ones in power like Amas has Blah, those 0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:13.239 are the US they espouse. That's the problem. 0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:18.239 Yeah, exactly, Yeah, finally, hoist Robert Spencer. It's it's an 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:20.520 issue of assimilation to them, they tend to look at 0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:22.360 Jews as well. They want to have their own culture 0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:25.160 and they don't want to assimilate. But historically, I mean, 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:27.480 there's still plenty of people in Islam who don't want 0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:30.839 to do that either. So I don't understand line of thinking. 0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:33.000 It doesn't make sense. It's contradictory. 0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:34.160 Well yeah it is. 0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:38.320 But at the same time, the international left loves Islam 0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:42.120 because Islam lends itself to authoritarianism. If you look back 0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:46.640 into history, there are there are no Islamic democracies. There 0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:50.279 are no republics in the Islamic world. Turkey is a 0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:54.560 big exception, but Turkey was founded on an explicit rejection 0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:59.520 of political Islam. Ordinarily, Islam lends itself to authoritarian rule. 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:03.000 And this is because Mohammed said, to obey your ruler, 0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:05.760 even if he's an Ethiopian with a head like a raisin. 0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:08.120 That a lot of people quote is saying, oh see, 0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:10.560 look he was a racist, and that's another. 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:11.400 Conversation we could have. 0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:14.120 Yeah, but I think what's more important right now is 0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:18.160 that that makes for authoritarian rule. You obey your ruler 0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:20.400 no matter what, even if he's what Mohammad thought of 0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:24.040 as an outlandish character. And so this is a very 0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:26.839 dangerous thing, but it lends itself. If you got other 0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:32.280 people who want to stamp out democracies, then they think, well, 0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:36.040 we will allow Islam to grow, but we will restrict 0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:40.040 Judaism because it is based on this particularity of people 0:49:40.080 --> 0:49:42.879 where we want to erase the distinctions between people. 0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:46.360 Yeah, that authoritarianism ring true, because we're leading back that 0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:48.680 way here in America as we speak, too so, and 0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:51.040 we've got a long way to go before we were 0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:53.440 like them. But you know, there are areas of this 0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:55.680 that concern me, certainly from a civil liberties perspective. 0:49:55.719 --> 0:49:56.240 You're in America. 0:49:56.280 --> 0:49:59.840 Nonetheless, it's Robert Spencer, Anti Semitism, History and myth is 0:49:59.880 --> 0:50:02.080 the book and all the best. Robert, thanks for coming 0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:02.800 on the show this morning. 0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:04.800 Hey, great talking to you, Scott. 0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:07.440 Thank you you bet news weather traffic that is all 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:09.520 the way in just minutes here on the show. With 0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:12.239 President Trump speaking here on the Nation station at nine 0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:14.239 o'clock last not laying out the plan for a. 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:14.840 Couple of months. 0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:17.600 One is negotiation, the other one is bombing him back 0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:19.080 to the Stone age. So I don't know which wany 0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:21.759 believe the markets are reacting negative todays, he say. But 0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:24.080 he said, hey, now the two three weeks were done. 0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:26.480 Now I've heard that before from not just him, but 0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:29.520 other presidents. Are we just gonna wind this thing up? 0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:31.120 Or are we gonna wind it down? We'll find out. 0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:33.040 And I have no problem, you know, knocking them down 0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:34.600 and setting them back a little bit, because they were 0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:37.719 what sixty percent refinement, which means they're pretty close to 0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:40.520 getting nuclear weapons. Can't allow that to happen because first 0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:43.320 missiles are gonna hit Tel Aviv, They're gonna hit Israel, 0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:51.640 and you can't have that. Slowanly seven hundred w all 0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:55.600 slowly here seven hundred WWR. Guy Sanjay shaver Kamani is back. 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.440 Last week was opening day, of course, and so he 0:50:58.480 --> 0:51:00.520 had the day off, not a lot of I don't 0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:03.040 know er stuff. We can talk about health fitness because 0:51:03.080 --> 0:51:05.400 we're out there drinking, eating bad food and join ourselves. 0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:08.680 That's own. We don't want you spoiling our good time. 0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:13.280 Mister doctor pants Nanje Shabakamani, your physician at Dinewell Doc. 0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:16.640 It's where a health and fitness and of course medicine. 0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:20.840 I'll collide to the question is when you get to it, 0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:23.400 maybe I'm a particular age. I shouldn't say this because 0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:26.120 we're getting it younger and younger. That is cholesterol medication. 0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:28.560 You hear about the statins and the like, and new 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:31.440 guidelines say millions more Americans should be on this stuff 0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:34.160 should start probably at birth for a lot of us 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:39.720 in America. Here, why why not? I believe that honestly, 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:42.440 with things like Sir cher Leane and you know, with 0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:45.080 the level of depression and things that people have, and 0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:47.600 it's a wonderful drug. This and statins should be in 0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:49.320 the drinking way. Well, it should all be in the 0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:52.200 drinking war. Let's talk about that. So what the American 0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:54.840 College of Cardiology, the Heart Association released the guidelines. 0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:57.719 What they say, right, So really what they're focusing on 0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:01.120 is the prevent risk score. So that stands for it's 0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:04.960 not a very fancy acronym. It's predicting the risk of events. 0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:07.360 So it's kind of cheating when it comes to acronyms, 0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:09.719 but prevent is the score. You can actually google this 0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:11.759 and do your own numbers if you know some of 0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:15.360 your you know, lab tests like your LDL cholesterol, your 0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:17.719 hemoglobe in a one CEE and then find out what 0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:20.000 your risk is of having a heart attack or stroke 0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:24.120 in ten years and in thirty years, and so you know, 0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:26.879 just punching the numbers. If you got your labs from 0:52:26.880 --> 0:52:28.880 your dock and you see those, now what does that 0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:31.799 translate to? Well, if you're in a higher risk category, 0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:34.480 then they say, you know, there's a good chance that 0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:37.360 if your LDL is high, that you would meet criteria 0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:40.040 to be on a stat If you're in a very 0:52:40.080 --> 0:52:42.320 high risk category, well you want to keep your LDL 0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:44.920 below fifty five, which I'm not sure I know anyone 0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:48.279 with an LDL below fifty five, but that's what they're 0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:51.920 aiming for. Is much like harder guidelines for where you 0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:53.600 want your LDL cholesterol to be. 0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:56.839 Yeah, gotcha, And that's something you know. No one likes 0:52:56.880 --> 0:52:58.920 taking medicine or going to the doctor. It's just just 0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:01.120 the way it is. Especially when the ELS guy. I 0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:02.520 want to see as you. I don't mind you coming 0:53:02.560 --> 0:53:03.600 in here, but I don't want to go to your 0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:07.840 job and sit in But I think too, It's like 0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:10.000 there's also an element people understand this is like you 0:53:10.160 --> 0:53:11.920 try to take care to eat right, and most of 0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:13.799 us try to do the best we can, but we don't. 0:53:14.440 --> 0:53:16.480 But there's a hereditary element to this whole thing as well. 0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:19.879 There is there are things that we can control and can't. 0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:23.439 To your point, you know, diet exercise that will those 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:25.520 will do stuff. And if your LDL is high, you 0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:30.480 can bring those down decently with diet, exercise, more sleep, 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:35.520 like we've talked about before. But those those statin medications 0:53:35.719 --> 0:53:39.080 really bring it down a lot, like forty percent, whereas 0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:41.799 you know, diet exercise also be like ten to twenty 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:43.160 percent reduction in your LDL. 0:53:43.360 --> 0:53:43.520 Yeah. 0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:47.759 Yeah, Like the hm my levels are wacky in that 0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:50.040 it's things like listen, it's you're doing what you're speed 0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:50.839 to be doing. We just can't. 0:53:50.920 --> 0:53:53.360 You can't control genetics. So take a little stat and 0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:54.480 it balances things out. 0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:54.799 You're good. 0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:55.560 Yeah, uh. 0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:58.160 And And what we're finding is is that to your 0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:01.920 point of a lot more people could be on statins 0:54:01.960 --> 0:54:04.400 that would be in that moderate to high risk category 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:06.919 per the Prevent Score. And so you're going to see 0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:10.759 a change and more statins probably being prescribed in the 0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:15.360 next couple of years because of this new calculator, new guidelines. Additionally, 0:54:15.520 --> 0:54:18.759 they've started saying really start screening the stuff in the 0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:22.479 twenties and thirties, so everyone should, you know, have at. 0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:23.319 Least get it checked. 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:25.280 You know, you don't necessarily have to start a statin 0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:27.319 if you don't want to, but at least know where 0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:29.279 your levels are. Especially if you have one of those, 0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:32.000 you might find out you have a genetic predisposition to 0:54:32.120 --> 0:54:35.680 having high cholesterol. And one more thing would be the 0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:39.719 lipoprotein A, which is starting to become more and more 0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:42.680 significant as we learn more about it, which is another 0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:46.160 type of one of those cholesterol things, but seems to 0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:50.320 be you know, it's very genetically and very genetically based 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:51.440 and very hereditary. 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:53.320 Yeah, people don't want to hear that in their thirties, 0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:54.920 like wait, I got to be on a statin. I 0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:57.239 mean I've seen some toddlers that probably should be on 0:54:57.280 --> 0:54:58.919 a stat And at the same time, you see older 0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:00.640 people like, oh man, it looks fit and thin. It's like, 0:55:00.680 --> 0:55:03.080 I'm not all these medications. So you know, to your point, 0:55:03.440 --> 0:55:05.120 you know what you see is not what you get. 0:55:05.120 --> 0:55:08.120 Exactly, and you know your whole cholesterol profile might not 0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:10.960 tell you the whole story. Breaking it down individually and 0:55:11.000 --> 0:55:13.799 then talking with your physician about it is an important thing, 0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:15.799 and so you know, the question is, well, why does 0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:20.000 cholesterol matter? And really what it is about is building 0:55:20.080 --> 0:55:22.839 up plaque on the inside of your arteries that feed 0:55:22.960 --> 0:55:27.040 your heart and your or your brain, and so minimizing 0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:30.319 that risk of forming plaques on the inside of those 0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:32.680 arteries are basically you can imagine it, crud on the 0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:34.839 inside of your plumbing will decrease the risk of heart 0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:37.000 attack and stroke. And that's been shown with the statin 0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:37.840 medications especially. 0:55:37.880 --> 0:55:39.720 Does that just happen with age or some people immune 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:42.480 to the plaque build up just naturally? Is that again 0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:45.080 the genetic thing or I mean diet exercise have a 0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:47.000 long way to go for that too. Can you reverse that? 0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:50.400 So there are thoughts that you can reverse it. You 0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:52.800 can definitely slow it down, and some people say you 0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:56.840 can reverse the plaque as well as far as you 0:55:56.960 --> 0:56:00.759 know being born with that stuff. Yes, and people will 0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:04.080 have a bigger predisposition to developing that stuff and other 0:56:04.160 --> 0:56:06.520 people will be quote immune, I mean not no one's 0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:09.640 completely immune. But what we see is it's not just 0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:13.360 the cholesterol and the presence of the cholesterol, it's also inflammation. 0:56:13.960 --> 0:56:17.400 Inflammation will lead to more plaque build up and plaque rupture, 0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:19.840 which is what precedes heart attacks and strokes. 0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:24.160 Inflammation whole another topic, right, sign Jay, the statins they 0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:26.520 have a reputation for muscle soreness and side effects. So 0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:28.000 you're trying to sell us to a thirty year old. 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:30.640 Now what's the reality of that of. 0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:31.600 The side effects. 0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:34.560 So the truth is there are a couple side effects 0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:37.279 and it is muscle soreness. When people talk about it, 0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:40.480 they're like, oh, muscle breakdown and true muscle breakdown or 0:56:40.520 --> 0:56:42.600 what we know is rabdom analysis, which is you know, 0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:46.200 can threaten your kidneys and stuff. That happens extremely rarely, 0:56:46.360 --> 0:56:49.560 but many people will get muscle soreness. As the dose 0:56:49.640 --> 0:56:52.680 goes higher, you get more muscle soreness more often than not. 0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:54.680 So just cutting down the dose if you feel that 0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:58.680 can help. But it doesn't seem to be anything dangerous 0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:01.200 most of the time, except when you develop that you know, 0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:02.520 rubbed them AlSi. 0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:03.719 I'm sure all the time. Just pile it on. 0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:04.200 What the hell? 0:57:04.320 --> 0:57:07.279 Yeah, just existing makes me feel everything hurts. I can't 0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:11.000 talk to statin or just I'm an old af Sanjay 0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:14.560 Shavkramani are eer doctor, a health and fitness guy at Dinewell. 0:57:14.600 --> 0:57:16.520 Doc joins to show every Thursday morning, talk about the 0:57:16.560 --> 0:57:19.640 latest and in we're talking about cholesterol medication right now, 0:57:19.680 --> 0:57:21.520 and people often hear this and go, I don't want 0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:23.680 to take that stuff, and you know it's actually it's 0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:26.840 it's a pretty simple. It's a pretty simple thing to 0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:28.960 do in order to correct something could be fatal to you. 0:57:29.040 --> 0:57:32.160 Because man, you've seen people of strokes before, and it's 0:57:32.680 --> 0:57:34.680 if you survive it, not quoid. You survive it, but 0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:37.360 your life's gonna be a lot different if it winds 0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:40.040 up being the catastrophic kind because there are different levels 0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:40.760 of strokes as well. 0:57:40.920 --> 0:57:45.280 Absolutely, And you know the thing is, there's there's evidence 0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:48.080 for taking these statins before you have an event, and 0:57:48.160 --> 0:57:50.120 there's evidence for after you have an event, what we 0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:53.680 call secondary prevention to stop it from having another one. 0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:56.320 And where we really see a ton of difference is 0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:59.840 after strokes and heart attacks patients there on statins. There 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:02.640 their risk of dying goes down significantly, Their risk of 0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:05.439 having another event goes down a lot. But even before 0:58:05.480 --> 0:58:08.040 you have an event, it can help, just not as much, 0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:11.240 but it's helpful, and either before you or after you've 0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:11.720 had an event. 0:58:11.960 --> 0:58:14.600 I know someone who spent their life studying medicine is 0:58:14.600 --> 0:58:16.600 shocked to know this. Most people will listen and go, yeah, 0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:18.640 I don't care, or you know, I'm fine, I'll I'll 0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:21.080 be good. But if people abided by this, what what 0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:23.640 would happen to your PCP? I mean, primary care providers 0:58:24.000 --> 0:58:26.240 probably would be swamped with people hearing this and going, well, 0:58:26.280 --> 0:58:27.760 I probably should get checked and see if I need 0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:28.120 a STAT. 0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:29.200 I don't think they'd mind. 0:58:29.240 --> 0:58:31.400 I mean, at the end of the day, like bring, 0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:33.840 bring all the stuff early, so again, you don't have 0:58:33.920 --> 0:58:35.600 to see me in the er after you've had a 0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:38.680 catastrophic event. I don't want to see you in the er. 0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:40.960 As much as I like seeing people, I don't want 0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:41.680 to meet you that way. 0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:45.600 Yeah, all right, so you go in, you get your 0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:47.880 STAT and in the costason they're pretty cheap, I mean, 0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:49.520 because they've. 0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:51.480 All come off patent now, so they're they're all generic. 0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:53.439 So you know, there's there's a lot of talk about 0:58:53.440 --> 0:58:55.760 big pharma and the stuff in there, and there are 0:58:55.960 --> 0:58:57.960 you know, some arguments for that, but at the end 0:58:57.960 --> 0:59:01.360 of the day, this is now cheap and and very effective. 0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:03.000 So what you're saying is if you treat it now, 0:59:03.280 --> 0:59:05.600 it won't be as intensive later on. Basically we're not 0:59:05.680 --> 0:59:07.840 even having an event, like we're talking about an m 0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:08.680 I or a stroke. 0:59:08.880 --> 0:59:12.320 Yeah, so over time, you know, your plaques will build up, 0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:15.200 So you're thinking about the long game here as opposed 0:59:15.240 --> 0:59:17.000 to all right, I'll just take it when I'm sixty 0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:19.920 or seventy, and I'll prevent something from happening. Your cholesterol 0:59:19.960 --> 0:59:22.320 actually starts building up when you're in your twenties and thirties. 0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:25.240 Sadly enough, you know, being in my late forties, that 0:59:25.440 --> 0:59:27.520 is a difficult thing to think about. But I'll tell 0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:30.640 you that. Just three weeks ago, I had my panel drawn. 0:59:30.760 --> 0:59:33.520 Although it will look a lot different today than it 0:59:33.640 --> 0:59:36.280 did two weeks ago because I went to see Project 0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:39.120 hil Mary last night and the fiance and I shared 0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:42.880 a bucket of popcorn the large verse you did, and 0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:44.760 by share I mean I ate three quarters. 0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:46.720 Okay, of course you did with extra button n'st question. 0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:48.960 Yeah, so we won't better not even a real butter, 0:59:49.040 --> 0:59:51.120 fake butter, don't tell me that's fake. That was as 0:59:51.200 --> 0:59:52.400 real as it can take real. 0:59:53.240 --> 0:59:55.320 Well, you just spent time in Wisconsin, so you know 0:59:55.400 --> 0:59:58.480 the differenenting fake and real butter. Yes, because there's no margarine. 0:59:58.560 --> 1:00:01.240 There's none of that stuff in Wisconsin. It's butter. It's 1:00:01.240 --> 1:00:01.720 a real cow. 1:00:01.840 --> 1:00:06.320 It's the real stuff, full cow, cheese, kurds, beer, full cow. 1:00:06.640 --> 1:00:09.440 Which I immersed myself. Yeah, so maybe it's gonna be 1:00:09.480 --> 1:00:11.520 a few weeks. But before I check my class, somebody 1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:13.760 I know did this. I forget who it was, but 1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:16.240 it's funny because their wife was out of town. And 1:00:16.720 --> 1:00:19.400 this was back in the day Tony Terry's Turf Club 1:00:19.480 --> 1:00:22.240 in Cincinnati, right the Burger place. I think he ate 1:00:22.320 --> 1:00:24.800 there three nights in a row, and then had I 1:00:24.880 --> 1:00:25.360 was thinking about. 1:00:25.360 --> 1:00:27.280 He says, like his twenties or thirties, goes to the doctor, 1:00:27.320 --> 1:00:31.160 gets a panel drawn, and they called him back in emergency. Yeah, 1:00:31.200 --> 1:00:32.960 he goes do you each time He's like, well, with 1:00:33.080 --> 1:00:35.440 Terry's Turf guy at a Burger life last second, that's it. 1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:39.640 Yeah, to show you. I mean, you can have one, 1:00:40.000 --> 1:00:41.240 but three nights in a row. 1:00:42.120 --> 1:00:44.720 You're gonna be regretting. It's a problem. Yeah, it's a problem. 1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:47.360 So but anything in moderation you can do. The bucket 1:00:47.440 --> 1:00:50.240 of popcorn and all of the things. Is like I 1:00:50.760 --> 1:00:52.160 in speaking of a movie, I'll get off on a 1:00:52.240 --> 1:00:55.520 tangent here speaking of movie theaters. I I you know, 1:00:55.600 --> 1:00:57.520 you go to take out your care to restaurants, the 1:00:57.600 --> 1:01:01.080 whole thing. I don't know where they get the paperwhere from? 1:01:01.280 --> 1:01:05.280 Like a small there. It's like a bucket of KFC chicken, 1:01:05.320 --> 1:01:08.720 a small pop Yeah, wait, where are you getting these cups? 1:01:09.600 --> 1:01:11.000 I've seen anywhere else in. 1:01:10.960 --> 1:01:12.800 The wild except to go to a movie theater. All 1:01:12.840 --> 1:01:15.360 I'm a small and it literally looks like there was 1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:16.480 chicken in it before. 1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:19.480 I had my bucket of popcorn and my bucket of 1:01:20.240 --> 1:01:22.040 coke zero yeah, right next to it. 1:01:22.200 --> 1:01:23.400 Yeah, we're just bucketing. 1:01:23.960 --> 1:01:26.880 Why And the thing is you're sitting for ninety minutes 1:01:26.920 --> 1:01:30.360 to three hours? Are you that dehydrated watching a movie? 1:01:32.160 --> 1:01:32.320 Well? 1:01:32.360 --> 1:01:34.600 I mean I did get hungry after the first like 1:01:34.720 --> 1:01:37.120 after the previews, you know, the previously like forty five 1:01:37.200 --> 1:01:39.400 minutes long, and the popcorn was all gone, and I 1:01:39.480 --> 1:01:40.480 was like, I have none for the movie. 1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:43.160 The popcorn is fine, though, it's like it's it's it's 1:01:43.360 --> 1:01:45.880 it's floss for your coldon right, I mean it's five 1:01:45.960 --> 1:01:48.520 talking about fiber. Yeah, it's good. It's good for you. 1:01:49.160 --> 1:01:51.520 That's some health benefit. That's pretty much like eating the salad. 1:01:51.560 --> 1:01:54.760 I mean coke zero is hydrating, right. We learned that 1:01:55.320 --> 1:01:59.439 it doesn't overly dehydrate you when you have calfeeden, So yeah, 1:01:59.600 --> 1:01:59.840 I was. 1:02:00.120 --> 1:02:03.480 Healthy, less hydrating, Like like, I have to get thee 1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:05.200 because when I go to a bar, they don't have 1:02:05.280 --> 1:02:06.160 those size containers. 1:02:06.200 --> 1:02:07.720 And that's where you really want it, that's where you 1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:09.680 want it. I want a bigger I want the big drums. 1:02:09.720 --> 1:02:11.280 I bet there's something in Germany. You know, they have 1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:13.520 the boots and stuff something I don't. I don't know, 1:02:13.680 --> 1:02:15.520 but it's just con turning to me as I go 1:02:15.600 --> 1:02:17.880 to movie theaters, like the smallest, like the biggest cup 1:02:17.920 --> 1:02:20.240 I've ever seen. If you get I mean honestly, if 1:02:20.280 --> 1:02:22.920 you get the large, the extra large, they willing it 1:02:22.960 --> 1:02:24.280 it in. I'm like one of those. It's like a 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:26.560 fifty five gallon drum with a straw. You need a 1:02:26.640 --> 1:02:29.160 palette too, you really roll it in. It's disturbing. 1:02:29.200 --> 1:02:30.800 I don't know why that is with movie theaters, but 1:02:30.880 --> 1:02:33.160 we've uncovered that this morning with us An Jay, we're 1:02:33.160 --> 1:02:36.440 talking about statins this morning, which now you're saying everyone 1:02:36.560 --> 1:02:37.720 listening should be on the status. 1:02:37.760 --> 1:02:40.600 Well, everyone should talk to their doctor about their cholesterol. 1:02:40.640 --> 1:02:42.800 We'll leave it there, but yeah, I mean, do you 1:02:42.880 --> 1:02:45.360 talk about risks and and really it's the muscle thing, 1:02:45.480 --> 1:02:47.720 and then there's a very small chance for if you 1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:51.560 don't have diabetes, of developing new diabetes, but still the 1:02:51.640 --> 1:02:54.320 benefits of it outweigh the risks and that is a 1:02:54.440 --> 1:02:56.600 very very small chance. But when we're talking about side 1:02:56.600 --> 1:02:59.840 effect profiles, those are the main two. That's it is 1:02:59.880 --> 1:03:02.960 the muscle soreness and chance of developing diabetes. Everything else, 1:03:03.040 --> 1:03:04.640 And there's been a lot of noise out there. I mean, 1:03:04.680 --> 1:03:06.800 I listened to the Hubreman podcast about this, and I 1:03:06.920 --> 1:03:09.040 listened to a couple others just to get the other 1:03:09.160 --> 1:03:11.960 takes on on statins, and it's there's a lot of 1:03:12.040 --> 1:03:16.640 overblown stuff cognition and stuff, memory, dementia, those don't seem 1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:19.320 to play out the same amount of risk with statins 1:03:19.560 --> 1:03:23.560 or with placebo. That's for that, that's for wake gain. 1:03:23.640 --> 1:03:25.320 There's a bunch of other stuff, But really what we're 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:29.520 dealing with here is maybe diabetes and that's a small risk, 1:03:30.080 --> 1:03:33.120 and then the muscle soreness without any severe or severe risk. 1:03:33.320 --> 1:03:35.480 There's side effects with anything that you take, and that 1:03:35.600 --> 1:03:37.520 includes a baby as when there may be a side 1:03:37.520 --> 1:03:39.320 effect to that thing. And it seems to me if 1:03:39.360 --> 1:03:41.840 my cholesterol is high and really elevated or borderline, that 1:03:41.880 --> 1:03:43.400 I want to control that. And you got to weigh 1:03:43.400 --> 1:03:45.080 that yourself is to wear. And I think a lot 1:03:45.120 --> 1:03:46.880 of the stuff you're talking about are from folks that 1:03:47.200 --> 1:03:48.880 not maybe not all of them, but many of them 1:03:48.920 --> 1:03:50.800 are going, I'm just looking for reasons not to go 1:03:50.880 --> 1:03:52.480 to the doctor and get prescribe this right. 1:03:52.560 --> 1:03:54.920 Yeah, and you know you might find a reason. I'll 1:03:54.920 --> 1:03:57.120 tell you I got. I was scared going into my 1:03:57.480 --> 1:03:59.920 lipid profile check of where I was going to be, 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:02.160 and I was very happy to see it. That being said, 1:04:02.200 --> 1:04:05.280 I've been on this health journey for the last nine years. 1:04:05.360 --> 1:04:07.520 I'd be scared to look at my lipid profile from 1:04:07.520 --> 1:04:10.120 ten years ago. So sure, I know that diet and 1:04:10.240 --> 1:04:12.400 exercise will do a lot, and taking care of yourself 1:04:12.480 --> 1:04:15.360 and sleep, but there will be parts of the population 1:04:15.560 --> 1:04:18.360 that you know you you need these medicines to really 1:04:18.680 --> 1:04:21.720 help and decrease that risk. And again it's a conversation 1:04:21.800 --> 1:04:22.560 to have with your doctor. 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:23.400 Yeah, exactly. 1:04:23.480 --> 1:04:24.720 I think out of the part of the problem is 1:04:24.880 --> 1:04:27.040 because I know people otherwise really smart people that are 1:04:27.120 --> 1:04:29.240 adamant that even though it's like, hey, I've had a 1:04:29.280 --> 1:04:32.360 heart attack or I've done they're going to live their 1:04:32.360 --> 1:04:33.800 life the way they want to live their life. That 1:04:34.000 --> 1:04:36.280 is that hard for you as a physician to consult 1:04:36.360 --> 1:04:37.840 someone and say here's what you need to do, and 1:04:37.920 --> 1:04:41.720 maybe not as much an ed but that you here's 1:04:41.760 --> 1:04:43.680 what's going to If you don't do this, You're gonna 1:04:43.840 --> 1:04:46.680 something bad is going to happen. People just don't want 1:04:46.680 --> 1:04:47.840 to hear that. I don't know why that is. 1:04:48.160 --> 1:04:50.280 Here's the thing. I know that if I tell someone 1:04:50.360 --> 1:04:52.840 that there's a greater chance that they're not going to 1:04:52.880 --> 1:04:53.400 do what I say. 1:04:53.480 --> 1:04:53.640 Why. 1:04:54.520 --> 1:04:55.960 It's a human brain. 1:04:56.080 --> 1:04:56.280 Man. 1:04:56.520 --> 1:04:58.760 I love psychology too. I just love it. 1:04:58.920 --> 1:05:00.560 Yeah, I mean it's I think it comes from when 1:05:00.640 --> 1:05:02.240 our parents used to tell us to do stuff and 1:05:02.280 --> 1:05:05.240 we went against that authority figures telling you what to do. 1:05:05.400 --> 1:05:07.240 A lot of the times you want to do the opposite. 1:05:07.720 --> 1:05:09.520 And so you know, at the end of the day, 1:05:09.960 --> 1:05:14.880 I like going out and eating bad food sometimes because 1:05:15.120 --> 1:05:16.880 I want to be human and I see the human 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:19.280 part and everyone else. So like if someone's like, yeah, 1:05:19.280 --> 1:05:20.760 I don't want to start a stat and it's it's 1:05:20.920 --> 1:05:23.480 less of a man, you know what you're doing to yourself. 1:05:23.560 --> 1:05:25.800 It's more like, tell me about that, like why? And 1:05:25.880 --> 1:05:28.520 I think that curiosity angle is a lot better and 1:05:28.600 --> 1:05:30.840 more effective approach than telling someone what to do. 1:05:31.400 --> 1:05:32.720 Yeah, and I think too. 1:05:32.880 --> 1:05:34.280 No one wants to be in more meds and the 1:05:34.360 --> 1:05:35.800 older way get it seems like we're on more meds. 1:05:35.840 --> 1:05:38.600 It's just the nature of the beast. But I waited 1:05:38.600 --> 1:05:42.680 and went, Okay, Well, if my genetic disposition predisposition says 1:05:42.760 --> 1:05:44.720 my cholesterolves are a whack and there's nothing I can 1:05:44.760 --> 1:05:47.400 do to change it despite diet exercise. If I take this, 1:05:47.680 --> 1:05:50.400 I'm not going to wind up, you know, in a 1:05:50.440 --> 1:05:52.920 wheelchair or hopefully. I mean, I still may have a 1:05:52.960 --> 1:05:55.480 heart attack because I'm Type A and that's on me. 1:05:55.600 --> 1:05:57.400 I can't change that. Well, but this gives me a 1:05:57.440 --> 1:06:00.240 fighting chance exactly. And you know, look for yourself. 1:06:00.680 --> 1:06:02.880 If you're worried about it or thinking about it, do 1:06:03.000 --> 1:06:05.520 the prevent calculator yourself again. You can look for it 1:06:05.600 --> 1:06:09.400 if you just look up Prevent Risk Calculator online. You'll 1:06:09.440 --> 1:06:11.400 find it and then you just go through the steps 1:06:11.680 --> 1:06:13.520 and we'll tell you what your risk of having an 1:06:13.520 --> 1:06:15.600 event is. In the next ten years or thirty years, 1:06:15.640 --> 1:06:18.800 and if that's thirty percent, well maybe it's time to 1:06:18.840 --> 1:06:21.600 think about changing something. You know, you don't have to 1:06:21.720 --> 1:06:24.360 do a complete overall, although that might be effective, but 1:06:24.440 --> 1:06:26.680 at least nowhere your risk is so you know, I mean, 1:06:26.760 --> 1:06:30.160 my my tenure fortunately is one percent, but in thirty 1:06:30.280 --> 1:06:32.040 years it's going to be about ten percent risk of 1:06:32.080 --> 1:06:34.480 having a heart attack or stroke. Okay, so I'll be 1:06:34.520 --> 1:06:36.240 seventy seven by the time I have a one third 1:06:36.360 --> 1:06:39.360 chance of having something. Well, it's not nothing, and maybe 1:06:39.680 --> 1:06:41.760 in several years I'll think about us Dad. 1:06:42.080 --> 1:06:42.320 Okay. 1:06:42.840 --> 1:06:44.080 I don't know if this is right, because I just 1:06:44.200 --> 1:06:46.640 ran through the prevent calculator myself while you're rambling there 1:06:46.680 --> 1:06:48.440 and on my phone, and it says I die I 1:06:48.440 --> 1:06:52.480 would have died nineteen thirty seven. That well, I mean, 1:06:52.480 --> 1:06:54.360 I don't know if that. You're on borrow time now 1:06:54.440 --> 1:06:57.440 again like a high score. Live it up, man, I 1:06:57.480 --> 1:06:59.240 guess maybe I'll take the whole bottle. 1:07:00.040 --> 1:07:01.960 I I have no idea. He's SANJ. 1:07:02.080 --> 1:07:05.640 Shaver carmani ere doc also our fitness and health guy, 1:07:05.840 --> 1:07:08.840 and you can find him at Dinewell Doc at dine 1:07:08.880 --> 1:07:11.800 Wald doc Sonjay always comes on the show on Thursday mornings. 1:07:11.520 --> 1:07:13.960 To chop up health related stuff. Who knows what we're 1:07:13.960 --> 1:07:14.840 going to cook up next week. 1:07:14.840 --> 1:07:18.400 And I also like the I like the ones grab 1:07:18.560 --> 1:07:20.680 from today's headlines in that too, So there's always some 1:07:20.760 --> 1:07:22.640 news elements we try to work on the show as well. 1:07:22.680 --> 1:07:24.760 But there you got everything you need about your statins. 1:07:24.840 --> 1:07:27.640 So if you're thirty, forty and fifty or maybe sixty 1:07:27.920 --> 1:07:29.440 or older and you haven't been checked, and it's a 1:07:29.480 --> 1:07:32.840 good question, good conversation to have with your physician, which 1:07:32.880 --> 1:07:34.640 HU should at least go once a year. Yeah, the 1:07:34.800 --> 1:07:37.200 very least exactly right. All the best, Thanks Agay Budd, 1:07:37.200 --> 1:07:38.920 appreciate you. We'll do a news update coming up in 1:07:39.120 --> 1:07:42.280 minutes on seven hundred Wow. He's Kevin Werner executive director, 1:07:42.280 --> 1:07:45.600 Will hires and stop executions. Dave yost ag Dave yos 1:07:45.760 --> 1:07:47.800 just issue with his final twenty This will be for 1:07:47.880 --> 1:07:50.600 twenty twenty five report on the death penalty and it's 1:07:50.680 --> 1:07:54.080 jacked up the evidence coming out About maybe twenty percent 1:07:54.200 --> 1:07:58.240 of our cases go to for capital punishment and execution 1:07:58.680 --> 1:08:01.080 wind up being overturned. We haven't had an execution in 1:08:01.160 --> 1:08:04.680 Ohio for seven eight years. None under Mike DeWine, two 1:08:04.800 --> 1:08:07.720 term governor. So if it costs us two to three 1:08:07.840 --> 1:08:11.560 times more per inmates, why are we doing this? Well, 1:08:11.600 --> 1:08:15.560 there's now legislation working its way through Columbus, bipartisan legislation 1:08:15.960 --> 1:08:18.720 that would eliminate capital punishment in Ohio. He makes the 1:08:18.760 --> 1:08:20.960 case next on the Home of the Red seven hundred 1:08:21.040 --> 1:08:21.840 WWT since. 1:08:21.720 --> 1:08:27.519 Nonican, It's Scott clumb Show on seven hundred wow. 1:08:27.720 --> 1:08:30.160 Lot's going on today, including here in the Buckey state, 1:08:30.200 --> 1:08:34.240 where Ohio has executed fifty six people since nineteen eighty one, 1:08:34.280 --> 1:08:38.880 they've exonerated twelve and one group says that so well, 1:08:39.040 --> 1:08:41.840 mass shows you about a twenty percent air rate and 1:08:41.920 --> 1:08:43.640 they're pushing that in the death penalty for good. And 1:08:43.720 --> 1:08:46.160 why this is timely right now is because Attorney General 1:08:46.240 --> 1:08:49.559 Dave Yost issued his final Capital Crimes Annual Report that's 1:08:49.560 --> 1:08:52.400 for twenty twenty five and says Ohio hasn't had an 1:08:52.439 --> 1:08:56.479 execution in seven years. And now there's a bipartisan effort 1:08:56.560 --> 1:08:59.400 in Columbus to end the death penalty in Ohio. On 1:08:59.520 --> 1:09:02.120 that as Kevin and Werner, he's the executive director of OTSE. 1:09:02.360 --> 1:09:05.160 That's ohioans to stop executions. Kevin, welcome back. 1:09:05.160 --> 1:09:05.479 How are you? 1:09:06.560 --> 1:09:08.160 Thanks God him well with you? 1:09:08.400 --> 1:09:10.439 Yeah, first, plush, this is probably you get this question. 1:09:10.479 --> 1:09:13.280 A lot of people think that being against capital punishment 1:09:13.400 --> 1:09:14.679 means you're soft on crime. 1:09:14.880 --> 1:09:16.280 Can both of those things be true? 1:09:17.920 --> 1:09:20.320 Well, it's certainly not true with folks who are serious 1:09:20.400 --> 1:09:24.200 about the concerns around the death penalty. I mean, what 1:09:24.400 --> 1:09:27.639 this really is about is about being smarter on crime 1:09:27.920 --> 1:09:31.120 and understanding that we can have a more efficient system, 1:09:31.320 --> 1:09:33.200 and we can spend a whole lot less money, and 1:09:33.280 --> 1:09:37.120 we can hold dangerous people accountable by not having to 1:09:37.280 --> 1:09:40.840 resort to something that doesn't work, never really has, and 1:09:41.000 --> 1:09:44.360 just just cost taxpayers and arm and a leg. So 1:09:44.720 --> 1:09:48.280 it's about being more intelligent with the resources that we 1:09:48.400 --> 1:09:49.360 have at our disposal. 1:09:49.560 --> 1:09:51.400 I think that's important too, because if you look at 1:09:51.400 --> 1:09:55.559 the cost of this whole thing, it's not even I mean, 1:09:55.600 --> 1:09:58.040 it's laughable how much money we spend on each and 1:09:58.080 --> 1:10:01.200 every one of these cases. The numbers off the top 1:10:01.240 --> 1:10:03.720 of my head escape me, but they're pretty sizable. It's like, 1:10:03.760 --> 1:10:05.840 I want to say, the average capital case is over 1:10:05.920 --> 1:10:08.840 a million dollars. The average life without parroll is about 1:10:08.960 --> 1:10:09.280 half that. 1:10:10.479 --> 1:10:12.760 Yeah, about three million per case is really what is 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:15.599 really what it is, and then just under a million 1:10:15.640 --> 1:10:18.000 we could probably be the last cost rising the last 1:10:18.000 --> 1:10:19.799 couple of years, you could probably say a million dollars 1:10:19.880 --> 1:10:22.960 for a non capital case. I mean it's Ohio has 1:10:22.960 --> 1:10:27.160 spent billions of dollars on a system that is coming 1:10:27.360 --> 1:10:32.240 frighteningly close to crossing that line where we say past 1:10:32.320 --> 1:10:34.479 as we have executed it is the people. That's kind 1:10:34.479 --> 1:10:36.880 of one of the things that our report showed was 1:10:37.120 --> 1:10:42.160 just how bad the system has gotten. And really, in 1:10:42.240 --> 1:10:45.400 some ways it's far worse than I think anybody realized 1:10:45.720 --> 1:10:48.799 when we look at all of the types of cases 1:10:48.840 --> 1:10:50.920 that touch the death penalty, where it turns out this 1:10:51.040 --> 1:10:53.120 person didn't commit the underlying defense. 1:10:53.760 --> 1:10:55.880 We know about the Road of Nathan case here in 1:10:55.960 --> 1:10:58.080 Blue ash in nineteen ninety four, and this was the 1:10:58.160 --> 1:11:01.479 Elwood Jones exoneration. But you know that that one got 1:11:01.520 --> 1:11:03.479 a lot of publicy. But for someone who is pro 1:11:03.600 --> 1:11:05.640 death penalty, how do you argue against this? So this 1:11:05.880 --> 1:11:09.679 is in Hamilton, Ohio. Right here in Cincinnati. In February 1:11:09.720 --> 1:11:13.320 of two thousand and three, a guy named Ketder murdered 1:11:13.400 --> 1:11:16.200 his former employer an eighty five year old man Laurence 1:11:16.200 --> 1:11:19.040 Sanders at his home in Hamilton, and Ketterer went to 1:11:19.160 --> 1:11:21.120 Sanders home to get some money because he had a 1:11:21.200 --> 1:11:24.120 fine for court costs something in Sanders. He got there 1:11:24.160 --> 1:11:26.599 and Sanders said, look, I don't have the cash. Kedder 1:11:26.680 --> 1:11:28.719 got angry, struck him the head three times with iron 1:11:28.800 --> 1:11:32.000 skillet and then stabbed him, then robbed him and stole 1:11:32.040 --> 1:11:35.000 his car. So Ketdller confessed the police. He pled guilty 1:11:35.040 --> 1:11:37.920 of trial. The DNA testing established a blood on the 1:11:37.960 --> 1:11:40.320 gloves he was wearing on the day of the murder 1:11:40.439 --> 1:11:43.200 match that of mister Sanders. They got him, he admitted 1:11:43.240 --> 1:11:44.639 to it. Why not put him to death? 1:11:46.360 --> 1:11:46.519 Yeah? 1:11:46.560 --> 1:11:48.760 I mean I think that even when you have those 1:11:48.800 --> 1:11:51.519 examples of really, I mean, nobody's gonna think that those 1:11:51.600 --> 1:11:53.880 facts are not that bad. I mean, that's an egregious 1:11:53.960 --> 1:11:57.720 that's a terrible case, right, But I think that understanding 1:11:57.760 --> 1:12:00.640 a couple of things in determined how we want to 1:12:00.720 --> 1:12:05.000 go forward. State of Ohio could spend you know, millions 1:12:05.040 --> 1:12:08.000 and millions of dollars trying to chase an execution for 1:12:08.520 --> 1:12:12.000 for mister Ketterer, or it could also make sure that 1:12:12.240 --> 1:12:15.760 law enforcement agencies are fully funded. It could also make 1:12:15.800 --> 1:12:18.680 sure that we have things like conviction integrity units. It 1:12:18.720 --> 1:12:21.880 could also make sure we have things like adequate resources 1:12:22.040 --> 1:12:24.840 for you know, the men and women who were the 1:12:25.240 --> 1:12:27.680 wear the uniform. One thing I do recall about that 1:12:27.800 --> 1:12:30.120 categor case, I am pretty sure I could be wrong, 1:12:30.160 --> 1:12:34.240 but I'm pretty sure he was removed from death row 1:12:34.479 --> 1:12:38.719 because of severe mental illness. That's a whole another ball 1:12:38.760 --> 1:12:41.200 of whack that we are starting to come to grips with, 1:12:41.479 --> 1:12:45.400 and that doesn't excuse what he did. But what it does, 1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:50.440 I think is recognized that we can hold that person accountable. 1:12:50.720 --> 1:12:53.719 We can keep the community safer with a lot fewer 1:12:53.840 --> 1:12:56.519 resources needed on the front end on the trial and 1:12:56.600 --> 1:12:59.639 the incarceration and on the like I said, like chasing 1:12:59.800 --> 1:13:03.400 the actual execution that, by the way, will likely never happen, 1:13:04.160 --> 1:13:06.360 and so we can be a little bit more intelligent 1:13:06.400 --> 1:13:10.120 about how we respond to those kinds of real horrific offenses. 1:13:10.360 --> 1:13:13.519 Nobody thinks that that was, you know, something that should 1:13:13.560 --> 1:13:17.880 be excused or that shouldn't have that person be held accountable. 1:13:18.080 --> 1:13:20.479 The question is how do we do it in the 1:13:20.520 --> 1:13:22.479 way that's going to help the most people. It's going 1:13:22.520 --> 1:13:24.439 to keep the most people safe. And it's going to 1:13:24.520 --> 1:13:26.719 require the least amount of tax dollars. 1:13:26.960 --> 1:13:28.320 Yeah, And the problem with that, of course, is you 1:13:28.360 --> 1:13:30.800 will have no shortage of attorneys trying to defend him, 1:13:30.800 --> 1:13:33.679 which prolongs the case, which adds to the extreme cost. 1:13:33.760 --> 1:13:36.080 And this is why someone who admits to a murder, 1:13:36.080 --> 1:13:38.080 and let's say, let's take the mental component out of 1:13:38.120 --> 1:13:39.880 it for a second, because there's plenty of examples you 1:13:39.920 --> 1:13:42.320 could say where yeah, they caught them red handed, they've 1:13:42.400 --> 1:13:45.400 confessed to it, okay, and who want to be executed 1:13:45.439 --> 1:13:47.599 and they still you know, takes twenty years. That's the problem. 1:13:47.680 --> 1:13:50.560 Takes twenty years. And I think that's the frustration for 1:13:50.640 --> 1:13:53.160 folks who are pro death penalty, is that, well, if 1:13:53.240 --> 1:13:54.920 you have someone who confesses to it, they caught him 1:13:54.960 --> 1:13:57.400 red handed, they got the guy. It seems like it 1:13:57.439 --> 1:14:00.360 should be a pretty quick process, because it used to 1:14:00.400 --> 1:14:03.160 be you'd do this and within a couple of months, 1:14:03.439 --> 1:14:05.519 you know, you'd face the hangman's news, so to speak. 1:14:05.640 --> 1:14:08.000 Or and now it's twenty thirty years or more. 1:14:09.560 --> 1:14:11.880 Yeah, you know, it's something is interesting that I that 1:14:12.000 --> 1:14:14.479 we came across as we kind of delved into so 1:14:14.640 --> 1:14:17.519 many of these of these cases they're documented cases. Now 1:14:17.600 --> 1:14:21.280 we wrote about them in our report. Where there's a confession, 1:14:21.760 --> 1:14:25.439 there's a confession, and part of part of what led 1:14:25.479 --> 1:14:28.200 that person to death row was you know, this confession. 1:14:28.479 --> 1:14:30.200 And then we learned a little bit more about, well 1:14:30.240 --> 1:14:33.200 how was that confession obtained? And it turns out in 1:14:33.479 --> 1:14:37.240 a couple of cases where there is this you know, confession, 1:14:37.640 --> 1:14:41.160 that it was coerced or it was a situation where 1:14:41.760 --> 1:14:45.280 two guys were involved and the you know, the prosecutor says, hey, 1:14:45.720 --> 1:14:48.080 you know, we'll give you lesser charge if you cooperate 1:14:48.120 --> 1:14:49.559 with us and tell us what this other person did 1:14:49.600 --> 1:14:53.479 over here. And those are often the cases where the 1:14:53.680 --> 1:14:56.240 person who's who's getting the plea deal, who's getting the 1:14:56.800 --> 1:15:00.720 you know uh in exchange for testimony, really is more culpable. 1:15:01.080 --> 1:15:03.920 And so just because we could say, ah, you know, 1:15:03.960 --> 1:15:06.400 we've got a confession over here, you know, the rock 1:15:06.479 --> 1:15:10.559 solid case, well, Scott, they're all supposedly rock solid cases, 1:15:11.000 --> 1:15:13.959 and yet here we are twelve death rogues and houneries. 1:15:14.320 --> 1:15:18.160 We found twelve other cases where the state tried to 1:15:18.240 --> 1:15:21.680 get to death penalty. There was a life sentence of 1:15:21.760 --> 1:15:24.600 some time, but it was a death penalty trial and 1:15:24.760 --> 1:15:28.720 those other twelve cases led to a conviction and then 1:15:28.840 --> 1:15:34.240 decades later those people being exonerated. So the wrongful conviction 1:15:34.400 --> 1:15:37.640 problem in Ohio is actually be far worse than what 1:15:38.120 --> 1:15:42.679 anybody realizes. But just because the prosecutor may say, ah, 1:15:42.880 --> 1:15:45.880 this is a really strong case, will they say that 1:15:46.000 --> 1:15:52.160 about every deathenalty? Right? And so again, like the system 1:15:52.240 --> 1:15:55.560 is making mistakes at an alarming rate, and so you 1:15:55.640 --> 1:15:58.120 know the better policy is just to walk away from 1:15:58.160 --> 1:16:02.240 it and spend ohigh taxpayer dollars in a more efficient 1:16:02.360 --> 1:16:03.439 and a smarter way. 1:16:04.160 --> 1:16:07.479 Well, is the inverse true, then, Kevin Werner, Executive Director 1:16:07.479 --> 1:16:10.439 of Ohio and stop executions in that there are people 1:16:10.479 --> 1:16:12.960 who are murders and they wound up being freed. And 1:16:13.920 --> 1:16:16.519 because people really believe that, And it wasn't about the 1:16:16.800 --> 1:16:19.560 the case necessario, it was about the fight over the 1:16:19.640 --> 1:16:22.640 death penalty. That I'm not saying you are. But the 1:16:22.800 --> 1:16:25.640 people think everyone who is a criminal is innocent. I 1:16:25.680 --> 1:16:28.599 think we have elected officials in Cincinnati to believe that somehow, 1:16:28.640 --> 1:16:32.040 the and judges that think criminals are victims somehow. I 1:16:32.120 --> 1:16:34.959 suppose everyone is messed up. That is the nature of society. 1:16:35.040 --> 1:16:36.960 But when it rises to the level of a felony 1:16:37.560 --> 1:16:39.960 or a serious crime. It's a different story in my book. 1:16:40.360 --> 1:16:42.880 But is a case where maybe that you know, the 1:16:42.960 --> 1:16:45.479 Innocence Project, God Bless them, or another group like that, 1:16:45.640 --> 1:16:47.840 we're able to free someone who actually did it. I 1:16:47.920 --> 1:16:49.200 think that's possible too, isn't it. 1:16:50.240 --> 1:16:54.520 Well. I think that that would be a really outside 1:16:54.720 --> 1:16:57.160 of the mainstream of vul conviction. 1:16:57.240 --> 1:16:59.519 A lot of people think Elwood Jones, Elwood Jones. A 1:16:59.560 --> 1:17:01.400 lot of people think Elwood Jones did it and he 1:17:01.479 --> 1:17:01.880 got off. 1:17:03.640 --> 1:17:06.160 Well. I mean, we could talk about Elwood Jones. But 1:17:06.600 --> 1:17:09.000 you know, here's what we find when we see people 1:17:09.040 --> 1:17:13.640 who are wrongfully convicted and freed. The reasons that it 1:17:13.720 --> 1:17:16.760 happens is number one, first and foremost, it's misconduct on 1:17:17.000 --> 1:17:20.040 the part of investigators or prosecutors. That is the driver. 1:17:20.439 --> 1:17:24.640 We see perjury or false accusation. We see false or 1:17:24.720 --> 1:17:29.960 misleading forensic evidence, we see mistaken eyewitness identification, we see 1:17:30.000 --> 1:17:34.479 false confessions, as I said, and we see inadequate legal counsel. 1:17:35.280 --> 1:17:39.640 Those are the reasons that lead people to be exonerated. 1:17:39.960 --> 1:17:42.160 I really don't think. I think with all of the 1:17:42.840 --> 1:17:45.160 failed states, if you will, in the system, I think 1:17:45.240 --> 1:17:49.040 it's much harder for someone who you know, quote unquote, 1:17:49.120 --> 1:17:52.519 you know really may have, really may be culpable to 1:17:52.640 --> 1:17:56.080 kind of get you know, some technicality. Ellwood Jones, you know, 1:17:56.200 --> 1:17:57.599 I was talking to him on the phone the other 1:17:57.680 --> 1:18:01.800 day and he said something remarkable to me. We were 1:18:01.840 --> 1:18:03.880 talking about how I guess it was yesterday with the 1:18:03.920 --> 1:18:06.360 Attorney General sort of saying, uh, you know, oh, we 1:18:06.439 --> 1:18:09.640 haven't had the executions. My entire time at DAG is 1:18:09.800 --> 1:18:13.840 almost like a regret. When should I? He said, he said, 1:18:13.920 --> 1:18:16.680 when should I have been executed? When would have been 1:18:16.800 --> 1:18:20.040 convenient for the Attorney General for me to be executed 1:18:20.080 --> 1:18:23.519 for something that I didn't do? And it's it's astonishing 1:18:24.120 --> 1:18:28.960 that our system right now, and people like Dave Yos 1:18:29.120 --> 1:18:32.360 and people like the legislators who are pushing for execution 1:18:33.000 --> 1:18:37.080 seem to care more about revving up this machine than 1:18:37.160 --> 1:18:39.920 they do about making sure that we have the right person. 1:18:40.240 --> 1:18:44.200 When you Scott, when you withhold four thousand pages of documents, 1:18:44.800 --> 1:18:49.280 some of which show UH are exculpatory for Elwood Jones, 1:18:49.560 --> 1:18:54.240 some show alternative suspects, that's not a technicality, that is 1:18:54.400 --> 1:18:58.519 prosecutoral misconduct. And you know, people can think what they want, 1:18:58.720 --> 1:19:02.479 but as a pretty alarming case when it comes to 1:19:02.840 --> 1:19:05.920 you know, right there in Cincinnati, in the backyard Hamilton County, 1:19:05.920 --> 1:19:09.000 I mean, that is egregious, and you know, with shocking 1:19:09.720 --> 1:19:14.280 we came across other cases where Hamilton County cases. There's 1:19:14.320 --> 1:19:18.800 a Jeffrey Wogan Stall case that after discovery happened in 1:19:18.880 --> 1:19:23.240 a federal court like twenty years later, a shocking amount 1:19:23.479 --> 1:19:27.360 of evidence was withheld that tends to point to other people. 1:19:28.400 --> 1:19:31.160 You know, we styled this report that we just released 1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:36.280 into basically five different categories, and Hamilton County has cases 1:19:36.360 --> 1:19:40.800 in every four of those five categories. So again, like 1:19:41.000 --> 1:19:43.479 I understand, people may have concervatives they I don't know 1:19:43.560 --> 1:19:47.640 about this shiit of that case, but the systemic, widespread 1:19:47.760 --> 1:19:52.559 problem shows that there is a huge problem with wrongful conviction. 1:19:53.040 --> 1:19:55.439 I don't believe that every single one of these has 1:19:55.560 --> 1:19:58.320 like you know, prosecutor has this like bad intent. I 1:19:58.400 --> 1:20:01.360 think they get tunnel vision. I think they form a theory. 1:20:01.439 --> 1:20:03.519 I think they tend to follow evans that kind of 1:20:03.760 --> 1:20:07.559 supports their theory. But in the wake of that, we've 1:20:07.640 --> 1:20:11.240 got a huge mess with lots of people incarcerated for 1:20:11.560 --> 1:20:12.160 things they didn't do. 1:20:12.520 --> 1:20:15.519 Kevin Werner's here executive director him to stop executions. Dave 1:20:15.600 --> 1:20:18.200 Yost with his final because he's going to turn out 1:20:18.240 --> 1:20:21.080 as ag Capital Crimes Report and says, we have an 1:20:21.120 --> 1:20:23.599 execution at seven years almost eight. And now there's there's 1:20:23.600 --> 1:20:26.439 actually a bipartisan effort Columbus to end this thing, the 1:20:26.520 --> 1:20:29.160 death penalty. And I'm for ending it simply because it's 1:20:29.200 --> 1:20:32.960 a tremendous waste of resources and money, and there's SERTs, 1:20:33.000 --> 1:20:35.879 an equity issue and an issue of fairness, but primarily 1:20:35.960 --> 1:20:37.960 it's like, we're not executing anyone, so why have it 1:20:38.040 --> 1:20:42.280 on the books? Also, you kind of talked about prosecutorial 1:20:42.360 --> 1:20:46.639 misconduct there. Brady violations were present in eleven or twelve 1:20:46.960 --> 1:20:49.840 exoneration case eleven of the twelve cases, have any of 1:20:49.840 --> 1:20:53.440 those prosecutors faced dispirement or criminal charges or any consequences 1:20:53.479 --> 1:20:56.720 for that? And if the answer is no, does how 1:20:56.760 --> 1:20:57.880 does the system correct itself? 1:20:58.920 --> 1:20:59.120 Yeah? 1:21:00.240 --> 1:21:01.120 The short answer is no. 1:21:02.560 --> 1:21:05.800 The longer answer I think is, you know, there may 1:21:05.840 --> 1:21:10.479 be some internal sanctions that Hamilton County prosecutor may hold, 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:13.920 uh some kind of like you know, probation for some 1:21:14.080 --> 1:21:17.840 period of time, but there's no real tee uh, to 1:21:18.479 --> 1:21:23.479 to accountability for prosecutors that that you know, engage in 1:21:23.560 --> 1:21:27.000 these kind of Brady violations. And you know, when you 1:21:27.120 --> 1:21:29.600 look across the state and you see, you know, a 1:21:29.760 --> 1:21:32.120 case in Cuyahoga County and then another one in Kyaho 1:21:32.160 --> 1:21:35.080 County and another one in Cyahoga County, the same people, 1:21:35.360 --> 1:21:39.479 it's the same assistant prosecutors. It's the same individuals who 1:21:40.479 --> 1:21:43.759 are not held accountable, who continue to sort of repeat 1:21:43.880 --> 1:21:47.160 these you know errors, and you know, in a very 1:21:47.280 --> 1:21:51.360 shocking way. I was rereading some stuff from some trial 1:21:51.640 --> 1:21:55.120 trial that Mark Pete Meyer, who's an assistant county prosecutor, 1:21:55.400 --> 1:21:58.719 was an assist county prosecutor home the county said during 1:21:58.800 --> 1:22:01.360 I think it was a deposition that you know, they 1:22:01.360 --> 1:22:05.920 didn't really get any training on on Brady material. Didn't 1:22:05.920 --> 1:22:09.960 really they weren't really told how to uh, you know, 1:22:10.320 --> 1:22:14.519 hand over exculpatory evidence, right, And that is just mind blowing. 1:22:15.200 --> 1:22:18.320 And then in another part another case on a trial, 1:22:18.680 --> 1:22:20.400 you know, he had said something like, well they had 1:22:20.400 --> 1:22:24.360 a very narrow interpretation of Brady got there's no narrow 1:22:24.400 --> 1:22:28.479 interpretation of I mean it is you turnover exculpatory and 1:22:28.560 --> 1:22:31.320 you turn over and teaching evidence period. It's not like, well, 1:22:31.800 --> 1:22:33.760 we're going to do it in these circumstances, but not 1:22:33.880 --> 1:22:36.799 those over here, and well when we have certain factors. 1:22:37.080 --> 1:22:42.040 I mean, this is why these things continue to occur 1:22:42.360 --> 1:22:46.000 is because the folks who who make the mistakes are 1:22:46.120 --> 1:22:47.160 not how the count. 1:22:48.880 --> 1:22:50.559 And people hear this the Brady rules. 1:22:50.600 --> 1:22:53.479 Basically, it means the prosecutors failed to disclose material or 1:22:53.560 --> 1:22:58.320 evidence exculpatory evidence meaning innocence proving or impeachment, which is 1:22:58.320 --> 1:23:00.519 a credibility issue when they don't have that over to 1:23:01.160 --> 1:23:05.280 the defense. Your report calls Ohio's air rate about twenty percent, 1:23:05.360 --> 1:23:08.719 that's one for every five executions. But the Attorney General's 1:23:08.760 --> 1:23:12.240 Final Crime Report says that Ohio has no known instance 1:23:12.320 --> 1:23:13.759 of executing an instant persons. 1:23:13.800 --> 1:23:15.439 Who's right and how do you respond to that claim? 1:23:17.120 --> 1:23:19.599 Well, I think, first of all, Dave and the attorney 1:23:19.680 --> 1:23:22.400 that has to have that line, he has to say, 1:23:22.479 --> 1:23:26.040 we've never executed an innocent person. I think Lou Tobin, 1:23:26.120 --> 1:23:29.920 the Prosecuting Attorney Association ed yesterday said that our report 1:23:30.000 --> 1:23:31.880 didn't even look at the current cases. But there are 1:23:32.000 --> 1:23:35.080 nine of them, right, So I think these guys are 1:23:35.160 --> 1:23:37.840 towing the company mine. I think they're saying the things 1:23:37.880 --> 1:23:40.160 that they have to say, because guess what, when you 1:23:40.280 --> 1:23:44.439 start uncovering and start acknowledging the wrongful conviction problem that 1:23:44.520 --> 1:23:46.559 you have and you're, you know, sort of a state actor, 1:23:48.200 --> 1:23:49.839 you have to take corrective measures. 1:23:49.920 --> 1:23:50.040 Right. 1:23:50.120 --> 1:23:52.439 You're going to face lawsuits, You're going to face all 1:23:52.640 --> 1:23:57.920 kinds of compensation award claims, and so they have to 1:23:58.240 --> 1:24:03.320 say what they're saying. You know, you can't see a 1:24:03.439 --> 1:24:07.000 serious person who really wants to get this system right, 1:24:07.240 --> 1:24:10.360 who really wants to make sure it's working, and say 1:24:10.479 --> 1:24:14.040 some of those things. Ten more than ten years ago, 1:24:14.400 --> 1:24:17.599 recommendations were made to clean up Ohio's death pony system, 1:24:17.880 --> 1:24:20.439 and guess what, none of them were put in place. 1:24:21.520 --> 1:24:22.880 Do you think this time this time? 1:24:23.200 --> 1:24:25.840 Do you think that this time final question for you, Kevin, 1:24:26.680 --> 1:24:29.800 that there's a bill right now, it's bipartisan of all 1:24:29.880 --> 1:24:32.600 things in Columbus to question the issue whether or not 1:24:32.680 --> 1:24:34.479 we should end the death pound. I mean, we haven't 1:24:34.520 --> 1:24:36.920 had it in years here, it's going to be seven 1:24:36.960 --> 1:24:39.160 eight years at this point too. Dowine hasn't had one 1:24:39.520 --> 1:24:43.400 in his term. It feels like it's kind of useless, 1:24:43.439 --> 1:24:45.960 it's stupid. Because we're not doing it. It's hard to 1:24:45.960 --> 1:24:48.559 get the cocktails in order to do it. It seems 1:24:48.600 --> 1:24:50.800 like the easiest path here is just that is given 1:24:50.880 --> 1:24:52.920 up and going listen to the advocates against this stuff 1:24:52.960 --> 1:24:56.120 win because it's costing us way more money than it should. 1:24:56.400 --> 1:24:58.639 And I think ultimately the people who pay the biggest 1:24:58.680 --> 1:25:01.240 price are the victims family is that there's no justice 1:25:01.280 --> 1:25:04.000 for them. You know, when you're sitting around and Okay, 1:25:04.320 --> 1:25:05.920 you've been sentenced to death, great, well it's going to 1:25:05.960 --> 1:25:08.479 take You're going to die of natural causes on death row, 1:25:08.520 --> 1:25:11.000 which is much better than being in general population. You 1:25:11.120 --> 1:25:13.360 treated much better than you are in general population. And 1:25:13.479 --> 1:25:16.200 so it feels like they're getting almost a prison reward, 1:25:16.240 --> 1:25:17.720 if you know. Yeah, they're locked up, but it's a 1:25:17.760 --> 1:25:20.000 better quality of life because you want some element of 1:25:20.040 --> 1:25:22.400 suffering there. If you're a victim of a family member, 1:25:22.439 --> 1:25:25.680 the victim, the person who's murdered, they're not getting their 1:25:25.800 --> 1:25:27.599 justice either. To me, it seems like that this thing 1:25:27.640 --> 1:25:28.800 should go through and be passed. 1:25:30.880 --> 1:25:32.400 Yeah, I mean, really, what we have is we have 1:25:32.479 --> 1:25:34.679 a system that doesn't work. We've had this for forty 1:25:34.720 --> 1:25:37.640 five years, and you know, the data points are in. 1:25:38.439 --> 1:25:41.400 It's most harmful to victim family members who were told 1:25:41.640 --> 1:25:43.880 again and again and again, we're going to get justice, 1:25:43.880 --> 1:25:46.680 we're going to get justice, and then of course that 1:25:46.960 --> 1:25:51.439 fact never occurs. Costs so much money. Yeah, I mean, 1:25:51.479 --> 1:25:54.800 the right thing to do is to recognize that it 1:25:54.880 --> 1:25:57.360 doesn't work. To end the death penalty system once and 1:25:57.439 --> 1:25:59.360 for all, like that is the smart thing to do. 1:26:01.360 --> 1:26:04.559 There's most I think legislators that you talk to today 1:26:04.760 --> 1:26:08.040 understand that, and most people are there. The public is 1:26:08.120 --> 1:26:11.040 certainly already there. We have polling going back, you know, 1:26:11.280 --> 1:26:13.800 six seven years that shows the public is more than 1:26:13.840 --> 1:26:17.240 fifty percent ready to walk away from the death penal system. 1:26:18.479 --> 1:26:21.640 But there's a couple of holdouts who just who just 1:26:21.840 --> 1:26:24.240 can't wrap their minds around. 1:26:24.439 --> 1:26:26.280 I think, and I think it's going to change. You know, 1:26:26.320 --> 1:26:28.040 you get younger people, and I think that's going to 1:26:28.040 --> 1:26:30.200 be it anyway. Kevin Warner's the executive director of High 1:26:30.200 --> 1:26:33.000 wants to stop executions. The news of Devio's final capital 1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:35.720 Crimes report. Thanks again for the time, all the best, 1:26:36.760 --> 1:26:38.479 Thank you, Scott, appreciate it. We got to get news 1:26:38.560 --> 1:26:40.680 in and then we get to fight. I get to 1:26:40.720 --> 1:26:44.439 fight with my wife as It's cheaper than therapy, is 1:26:44.479 --> 1:26:46.320 what it is. There are dirty launder you enjoy that, 1:26:46.360 --> 1:26:48.599 you feel better about your relationship. I will also talk 1:26:48.640 --> 1:26:51.880 about real estate. We love each other. She's next show 1:26:51.880 --> 1:26:55.200 seven hundred w Alba. Take a look at your watch. 1:26:56.000 --> 1:27:00.320 It's real Estate Time with Michelle Sloan rematch time Agent 1:27:00.400 --> 1:27:05.320 extraordinaire from Sloan saleshomes dot Com. Now pay attention, then 1:27:05.479 --> 1:27:08.200 take notes. There might be a pop quiz at the 1:27:08.360 --> 1:27:12.760 end on seven hundred. Jobad, Good morning, what's going on? 1:27:12.920 --> 1:27:13.160 Dear? 1:27:14.200 --> 1:27:14.479 Hello? 1:27:14.720 --> 1:27:19.000 Happy Thursday, Happy Thursday. Going into Easter weekend? Now? 1:27:19.320 --> 1:27:22.320 No, yeah, well you got your Easter hat, your new 1:27:22.360 --> 1:27:24.560 Easter outfit. I hid the eggs in the yard before you. 1:27:24.640 --> 1:27:25.559 I should be pretty happy. 1:27:25.720 --> 1:27:26.000 Is yeah. 1:27:26.200 --> 1:27:28.200 I don't think I have enough chocolate in that. 1:27:28.960 --> 1:27:33.040 Yeah, right, she wants she wants eggs full of hundreds 1:27:33.080 --> 1:27:36.960 and diamonds? Is what you want? Anyway? 1:27:37.160 --> 1:27:41.400 The Easter Bunny says, you know you We've been together 1:27:41.479 --> 1:27:44.720 for four hundred years and the thing one thing I 1:27:44.840 --> 1:27:47.439 love about my job is that every day I learned 1:27:47.479 --> 1:27:50.040 something new. And that's true with anything that there's something 1:27:50.080 --> 1:27:52.680 about I don't know learning something. My goal wants is 1:27:52.720 --> 1:27:55.240 to learn something I didn't know before. I enjoyed doing that, 1:27:56.240 --> 1:27:59.519 and yesterday I learned something about my wife in the 1:27:59.560 --> 1:28:01.200 three hundre year four in new years of marriage with 1:28:01.320 --> 1:28:04.760 it is that so she's she's got this thing on 1:28:04.840 --> 1:28:05.720 her wrist and she wants to. 1:28:05.720 --> 1:28:07.840 Cut it off. Not not a skin tag or anything 1:28:07.880 --> 1:28:08.040 like that. 1:28:08.160 --> 1:28:10.360 It was a bracelet and she's trying to cut it 1:28:10.479 --> 1:28:12.479 in the kitchen and she's got the kitchen cheers out 1:28:12.560 --> 1:28:15.240 and she's gnawing at the single Why aren't these scissors cut? 1:28:15.360 --> 1:28:17.720 And it's the bracelets on her right hand and she's 1:28:17.800 --> 1:28:19.479 using her left hand. I said, well, Michelle, those are 1:28:19.600 --> 1:28:21.960 left they're not left handed scissors or right handed scissors. 1:28:23.160 --> 1:28:25.280 And you looked at me and said, you know what, 1:28:25.439 --> 1:28:26.639 you are so full of crap. 1:28:26.680 --> 1:28:28.840 I'm so I'm so used to you lying to me 1:28:29.080 --> 1:28:32.040 and all the time about stuff that I don't believe 1:28:32.080 --> 1:28:33.920 there's sight. How have you lived this long and not 1:28:34.080 --> 1:28:36.160 known there's left handed and right handed scissors? 1:28:36.800 --> 1:28:39.680 Actually, I still don't believe you. I didn't look it up, 1:28:39.880 --> 1:28:42.400 but you swear it's real. 1:28:42.680 --> 1:28:43.040 It's real. 1:28:43.760 --> 1:28:47.800 It was a April Fool's joke or something, because you know, 1:28:47.920 --> 1:28:50.519 it's it's was one of those wristbands that you get 1:28:50.560 --> 1:28:51.559 when you go to a club. 1:28:52.320 --> 1:28:54.080 Yeah, we're at the club, that is what we were. 1:28:54.280 --> 1:28:56.080 And then shots were fired so we left. 1:28:56.160 --> 1:28:59.559 But but I was trying to get this dumb thing 1:28:59.600 --> 1:29:01.840 off and you usually just like yank it off, and 1:29:01.920 --> 1:29:03.680 I'm like, I don't want to do that. So I 1:29:03.760 --> 1:29:06.360 got the scissors out and I'm trying to cut it 1:29:07.040 --> 1:29:10.479 with the scissors and it wasn't cutting. Yeah, And then 1:29:10.520 --> 1:29:12.360 you told me there's such thing as a left and 1:29:12.400 --> 1:29:14.120 a right hand, because they're using your left hand to 1:29:14.200 --> 1:29:15.920 use the scissors and it's not working. I said, well, 1:29:15.960 --> 1:29:18.320 that's because they're bright handed scissors, and you said that 1:29:18.640 --> 1:29:19.800 you're so full of crap. 1:29:20.200 --> 1:29:21.080 I don't think that's real. 1:29:21.240 --> 1:29:22.320 Well, no, because the blade. 1:29:22.320 --> 1:29:25.599 I don't know the intercase of it, but because the blade, 1:29:25.880 --> 1:29:27.519 and you know, there's the sharp part and the not 1:29:27.640 --> 1:29:30.040 sharp part. And the problem is that for left handed 1:29:30.040 --> 1:29:33.680 scissors it's the opposite that the blade's not on top, 1:29:33.800 --> 1:29:34.519 so you can't do it. 1:29:35.080 --> 1:29:35.559 Here's the thing. 1:29:35.920 --> 1:29:38.160 I really didn't care about it enough. I think you're 1:29:38.200 --> 1:29:41.000 full of it to actually look it up at the time. 1:29:41.400 --> 1:29:43.880 And there are people probably that are looking it up 1:29:43.960 --> 1:29:46.320 right now, or maybe they know this as a thing. 1:29:46.720 --> 1:29:48.360 You don't remember that from like I remember that, Like 1:29:48.640 --> 1:29:50.240 I haven't used a long time, but I remember that 1:29:50.400 --> 1:29:53.320 in grade school that there would be for the left 1:29:53.320 --> 1:29:55.519 handed kids. There would be left handed scissors, and then 1:29:55.520 --> 1:29:57.599 they'd have a different Yeah, they'd have a different colored 1:29:57.640 --> 1:30:00.479 handle and art class or I guess what's at the handle. 1:30:00.520 --> 1:30:02.280 I get the grit where the grips are, and like 1:30:02.360 --> 1:30:04.000 the green ones I don't know would be left and 1:30:04.000 --> 1:30:06.720 then the red ones would be right. And then we'd 1:30:06.720 --> 1:30:07.960 make fun of the kids who with the left hand 1:30:08.040 --> 1:30:10.519 like that some sort of disability or like like they're different, 1:30:10.520 --> 1:30:11.840 they're mutants or something like that. 1:30:12.040 --> 1:30:13.719 Like, yeah, back in the day, you do that stuff. 1:30:13.720 --> 1:30:15.880 And now I'm sure there's groups for your left handed 1:30:16.000 --> 1:30:19.759 people and left handed equity and diversity and inclusion for lefties, 1:30:19.800 --> 1:30:21.960 and like, I don't know, you people are freaks. You know, 1:30:22.040 --> 1:30:23.880 when you're a kid, you're you're looking at you're looking 1:30:23.960 --> 1:30:26.200 to ostracize people. At that age, your whole your whole 1:30:26.280 --> 1:30:27.920 job as a kid is to try to single out 1:30:27.920 --> 1:30:30.720 eat individual and just just beat the living snout of 1:30:30.760 --> 1:30:34.280 their self esteem. That's childhood childhood's about and so I 1:30:34.360 --> 1:30:36.560 still remember that from grade school, and I got a 1:30:36.600 --> 1:30:38.320 lot of problems being the fat, curly haired kid. 1:30:38.439 --> 1:30:40.280 Is like, at least I'm not left handed, you did 1:30:40.400 --> 1:30:40.960 have troubles. 1:30:41.000 --> 1:30:42.800 I don't have glasses and I'm not left handed, so 1:30:43.560 --> 1:30:45.320 I'm not a four eyes and I'm not a lefty. 1:30:45.439 --> 1:30:47.519 So there you go. Anyway, my wife had said. 1:30:47.400 --> 1:30:49.240 You're you, and you know, here's the thing about you 1:30:49.520 --> 1:30:52.439 is you'll go to your grave disbelieving left and right 1:30:52.479 --> 1:30:54.679 handed scissors, and you'll you'll die in that hill speak 1:30:55.200 --> 1:30:57.000 instead of just going to your phone and looking it 1:30:57.080 --> 1:30:57.920 up to see if it's true. 1:30:58.160 --> 1:31:01.560 I didn't care that much and I still don't because. 1:31:01.520 --> 1:31:03.200 I'll bring it up in the future and you'll go, no, 1:31:03.280 --> 1:31:06.519 there's no such thing, and you would rather sound ignorant 1:31:06.920 --> 1:31:07.960 than find. 1:31:07.800 --> 1:31:08.400 Out the facts. 1:31:08.960 --> 1:31:10.160 Absolutely not. 1:31:10.880 --> 1:31:13.400 Okay, well right, that's where our relationship. 1:31:13.000 --> 1:31:15.720 Works before I get home today. But right now, I'm 1:31:15.960 --> 1:31:19.639 I'm not concentrating on the left and the right handed. 1:31:19.800 --> 1:31:22.560 I never Well, that's you know what I asked for 1:31:22.600 --> 1:31:23.559 you when I ask. 1:31:23.760 --> 1:31:26.760 If I'm trying to use my left handed Okay. 1:31:27.560 --> 1:31:29.240 I said, because that's why, Well, why do you think 1:31:29.280 --> 1:31:31.320 it didn't work, did you suddenly, after all these years, 1:31:31.760 --> 1:31:33.000 forget how to use scissors. 1:31:34.920 --> 1:31:37.840 The scissors are sharp, you think that they're sharp both ways. 1:31:38.600 --> 1:31:40.720 That makes that means their left handed scissors. If you usual, 1:31:40.720 --> 1:31:42.280 you're right, it would have worked. The other thing is 1:31:42.280 --> 1:31:44.000 I've cut wrist prices like you before it, and I 1:31:44.120 --> 1:31:46.080 come at you. I get the big butcher's knife out, 1:31:46.120 --> 1:31:49.040 and then you look at the chef's tenant chef's knife, 1:31:49.040 --> 1:31:51.160 and you go, you're gonna cut my wrist off. I've 1:31:51.200 --> 1:31:53.960 never cut your wrist off, but it's just slicing. Let's 1:31:54.000 --> 1:31:56.559 go now, I'm might. And there she is with the scissors, 1:31:56.640 --> 1:32:03.440 trying to left handed Candy dufrayin trying to tunnels. 1:32:03.120 --> 1:32:06.639 Sot reverse blades with the top blade on the left, 1:32:06.720 --> 1:32:10.879 allowing lefties to see their cutting line, enabling natural, comfortable 1:32:10.960 --> 1:32:14.799 motion without fighting the tool. These scissors prevent hand fatigue 1:32:14.840 --> 1:32:18.439 blah blah blah to sign and benefit key aspects to 1:32:18.600 --> 1:32:23.160 left handed scissors, unlike oh my gosh, unlike. 1:32:23.000 --> 1:32:25.639 Right handed scissors where the left blade is on two. 1:32:31.280 --> 1:32:33.639 All right, you were right, What did you say? 1:32:34.000 --> 1:32:35.280 Let me hold on? So let me turn your mic 1:32:35.320 --> 1:32:37.240 couple of more, go ahead, three two one go. 1:32:38.320 --> 1:32:38.840 You were right. 1:32:39.760 --> 1:32:41.639 You were right, Scott Sloan, you were right. 1:32:41.880 --> 1:32:42.760 A man needs to hear. 1:32:43.240 --> 1:32:47.720 Oh my gosh, it took us five minutes for us 1:32:47.800 --> 1:32:48.400 to be arguing. 1:32:48.640 --> 1:32:53.120 The only reason people listen to the segment, the only reason. 1:32:53.200 --> 1:32:54.760 I don't know why the ratings are so good for 1:32:54.880 --> 1:32:55.200 it either. 1:32:55.479 --> 1:32:56.360 Who is wrong? 1:32:56.560 --> 1:32:58.880 I don't know. People love this when we fight like 1:32:58.960 --> 1:33:00.720 this and go my husband, I do that too, We 1:33:00.880 --> 1:33:02.559 just don't talk about it on a radio station. 1:33:02.840 --> 1:33:03.280 I know. 1:33:04.040 --> 1:33:07.679 So there's a such thing as a left handed scissors son. 1:33:07.680 --> 1:33:08.960 Well, i'll love a go. 1:33:09.080 --> 1:33:11.200 Well, it's like your dad said when I asked your 1:33:11.280 --> 1:33:13.760 dad for your hand in marriage before I did the 1:33:13.800 --> 1:33:15.280 right thing, asked your dad and he said, well, I 1:33:15.320 --> 1:33:17.040 think that's a good idea. He said, why, he goes, 1:33:17.080 --> 1:33:19.839 We'll never marry anyone smarter than you anyway. 1:33:20.720 --> 1:33:23.840 Okay he never said that, what your dad. 1:33:24.160 --> 1:33:25.160 That's what your dad told me. 1:33:25.520 --> 1:33:29.479 Okay, well, you're gonna OutKick your coverage. Son, You'll never 1:33:29.640 --> 1:33:31.799 make it. I think they he'd say that, you guys. 1:33:31.640 --> 1:33:33.320 Will never make it. Never. 1:33:33.439 --> 1:33:33.599 Man. 1:33:33.680 --> 1:33:36.400 Here we are why because we're both stubborn. That's why 1:33:36.479 --> 1:33:38.800 we're not gonna let it go. We're just not gonna 1:33:38.840 --> 1:33:41.519 let it go. Oh no, we love each other tremendously 1:33:42.160 --> 1:33:43.880 and you can because you know, we can joke about 1:33:43.880 --> 1:33:44.320 stuff like that. 1:33:44.400 --> 1:33:46.640 All right, let's what's the topic today here? 1:33:47.040 --> 1:33:47.320 Okay. 1:33:47.720 --> 1:33:50.360 Second number one question people ask me about real estate 1:33:50.479 --> 1:33:53.240 is how's the market. Well I'll answer that really quickly 1:33:53.320 --> 1:33:55.640 right now, is how's the market? The mortgage rates are 1:33:55.720 --> 1:33:58.080 up to six and a half percent. We were at 1:33:58.160 --> 1:34:01.680 six percent. Now we've had all this turmoil in the 1:34:01.760 --> 1:34:05.360 country and in the world, so rates are bumping up 1:34:05.400 --> 1:34:05.920 a little bit. 1:34:06.160 --> 1:34:06.519 All right. 1:34:06.640 --> 1:34:10.000 So that's the most common question. But the question that 1:34:10.280 --> 1:34:13.800 most people don't ask is can I stay in my 1:34:13.960 --> 1:34:17.479 home too long? What is the cost of doing nothing 1:34:17.600 --> 1:34:20.880 and just living in my home? And there are I 1:34:21.040 --> 1:34:25.000 love this twist on in my world, the age old 1:34:25.160 --> 1:34:28.599 question how's the market? Or is this a good time 1:34:28.680 --> 1:34:33.519 to buy or sell? And if you're not asking that question, 1:34:34.479 --> 1:34:36.920 maybe you're just saying I'm just going to say where 1:34:36.960 --> 1:34:40.479 I am because it's fine, it's just fine. But that's 1:34:40.560 --> 1:34:42.519 costing you money. And so that's what we're going to 1:34:42.560 --> 1:34:44.880 talk about today. I've got like five points to make 1:34:44.920 --> 1:34:48.240 if we have time. After our right and left handed discussion. 1:34:48.280 --> 1:34:53.439 A Number one the equity in your home. Staying put 1:34:53.840 --> 1:34:56.920 might be actually tying up a lot of wealth that 1:34:57.040 --> 1:35:00.400 you could be using. So so many people right now 1:35:00.600 --> 1:35:04.479 are sitting on thousands and thousands of dollars worth of equity, 1:35:06.080 --> 1:35:08.639 and you could be using that money to eliminate debt, 1:35:09.320 --> 1:35:14.799 upgrading your home, doing taking vacations, reinvesting in other things, 1:35:15.439 --> 1:35:18.439 or reinvesting in a home that actually fits your needs 1:35:18.520 --> 1:35:21.800 better than your current home. So living in your home 1:35:21.880 --> 1:35:23.640 for a long time, and even if you have it 1:35:23.720 --> 1:35:29.040 paid off, you're sitting on amount of money. And if 1:35:29.080 --> 1:35:31.160 that's fine and you like and that gives you peace 1:35:31.240 --> 1:35:36.120 of mind, great, but it is it's you're not utilizing 1:35:36.520 --> 1:35:38.519 that resource like you could. 1:35:38.800 --> 1:35:40.639 Yeah, it's like you're your own bank. That's the way 1:35:40.680 --> 1:35:41.160 to look at. 1:35:41.080 --> 1:35:42.799 It, exactly exactly. 1:35:43.520 --> 1:35:46.600 The number two item on the list today of the 1:35:46.720 --> 1:35:49.080 hidden cost of staying in your home too long is 1:35:49.439 --> 1:35:54.280 maintenance creep, because older houses will cost you more money 1:35:54.439 --> 1:35:57.760 in repairs. The roof, the HVAC, of the appliance is 1:35:57.880 --> 1:36:02.720 all stack up. Usually when one thing goes, they all go. 1:36:04.200 --> 1:36:07.280 If you have a home that's let's say twenty years old, 1:36:07.479 --> 1:36:11.200 twenty years is that time frame where things. 1:36:10.960 --> 1:36:13.559 Start to go like boom boom boom boom boom. 1:36:13.640 --> 1:36:15.920 So the longer you wait, the more your house starts 1:36:15.960 --> 1:36:20.120 to make financial decisions for you, because you're if you 1:36:20.280 --> 1:36:23.720 don't upgrade those items that are starting to fail, if 1:36:23.760 --> 1:36:27.120 you're not upgrading your windows, if you're not upgrading your HVAC. 1:36:27.600 --> 1:36:30.080 The longer you wait, the more it's going to cost. 1:36:30.400 --> 1:36:34.080 So you know, maintenance creep is a big deal. 1:36:34.520 --> 1:36:35.040 It really is. 1:36:35.920 --> 1:36:38.080 Yeah, and you know if you're handy, yeah, why you know, 1:36:38.200 --> 1:36:39.960 it's you know, you can buy a house a little 1:36:40.000 --> 1:36:42.600 cheaper and do the repairs yourself, which we do. 1:36:42.840 --> 1:36:44.519 So that's a different thing. What's number three? 1:36:44.960 --> 1:36:50.439 Number three is a lifestylee mismatch, meaning you know, this 1:36:50.600 --> 1:36:53.040 past summer we moved out of our house that we 1:36:53.160 --> 1:36:54.360 lived in for twenty years. 1:36:55.400 --> 1:36:58.439 Yes, well evicted, not moved, but yeah, we did not 1:36:58.720 --> 1:37:02.000 get evicted. Oh my sheriff came. It was a whole thing. 1:37:02.439 --> 1:37:07.439 Now. We we moved out and we actually did the 1:37:07.600 --> 1:37:09.560 right sizing for our lifestyle. 1:37:09.760 --> 1:37:12.760 We moved into a ranch for old people, so that 1:37:13.560 --> 1:37:14.639 my knees done. 1:37:16.840 --> 1:37:17.000 Right. 1:37:17.640 --> 1:37:19.840 But the kids moved out and we had too much space. 1:37:19.960 --> 1:37:23.840 We didn't need the traditional two story for bedroom, two 1:37:23.880 --> 1:37:25.080 and a half bath home. 1:37:25.680 --> 1:37:27.880 You know, we just didn't need it for our family. 1:37:28.120 --> 1:37:31.360 And now there's a nice family living in that home 1:37:31.479 --> 1:37:34.439 with their two kids, grandma and everybody else. 1:37:34.680 --> 1:37:37.760 The whole thing, the whole well too is you watch 1:37:37.800 --> 1:37:39.639 you know, your you raise your kids in their house, 1:37:39.680 --> 1:37:41.120 and it's that's the hard part, is this kid, because 1:37:41.120 --> 1:37:43.599 there's so many memories there. But you realize, like, hey, 1:37:43.680 --> 1:37:45.200 you know what when we moved in, there was a 1:37:45.240 --> 1:37:47.560 couple older couples, Oh, the nice older couple down the 1:37:47.600 --> 1:37:49.880 Streeter store, you know, a couple of elderly folks there too. 1:37:50.240 --> 1:37:52.080 And then you know, after so many years, you're like, 1:37:52.120 --> 1:37:54.439 holy crap, I became that guy. And you look at 1:37:54.479 --> 1:37:56.360 it going your young family's around and it's you know, 1:37:56.600 --> 1:37:58.439 time to time to turn it over. 1:37:59.400 --> 1:38:04.200 Yeah, So that's that's just it's the cycle of life, correct, 1:38:04.320 --> 1:38:05.400 the cycle of life. 1:38:05.560 --> 1:38:05.920 Very good. 1:38:06.680 --> 1:38:08.760 Hidden cost of staying in your home too long. Number 1:38:08.960 --> 1:38:12.760 four rising property taxes and insurance. You know, even if 1:38:12.800 --> 1:38:16.000 your mortgage is lower, it's paid off, these costs will 1:38:16.120 --> 1:38:19.000 obviously continue to climb. You're not going to be able 1:38:19.080 --> 1:38:22.639 to get rid of those costs. But maybe you can 1:38:23.120 --> 1:38:24.960 find a new place to live that maybe they're a 1:38:25.000 --> 1:38:31.000 little bit lower. It's interesting how much you know a 1:38:31.800 --> 1:38:36.440 cost of the home when you build in insurance and taxes. 1:38:37.160 --> 1:38:40.400 It's like it's like a mortgage payment in and of itself. 1:38:41.120 --> 1:38:43.080 So you want to look at those factors, and if 1:38:43.120 --> 1:38:45.000 you're in your home for a long time, you don't 1:38:45.040 --> 1:38:49.080 look at them because the incremental creep. I'm talking about 1:38:49.240 --> 1:38:52.519 lots of creeps today, Scott. 1:38:53.040 --> 1:38:55.760 What you're talking about me, Yeah, the incremental creep as 1:38:55.800 --> 1:38:56.880 I've known it around the household. 1:38:57.160 --> 1:38:58.960 That's right, incremental creep. 1:38:59.479 --> 1:39:02.719 And then you are other if also, if you're looking 1:39:02.800 --> 1:39:05.720 at opportunities and you've been living in your home and 1:39:05.800 --> 1:39:09.000 you're thinking, eh, it's fine, I'll just stay here because 1:39:09.040 --> 1:39:12.800 it's cheaper to stay where I'm at, But you are 1:39:12.920 --> 1:39:16.160 missing some marketing windows, meaning some perfect timing. 1:39:16.280 --> 1:39:18.479 You can never time the market one hundred percent. 1:39:19.479 --> 1:39:21.799 And right now we're in a kind of a weird 1:39:22.120 --> 1:39:25.800 market zone where some homes that are new to the 1:39:25.840 --> 1:39:27.880 market are selling really really quickly. 1:39:28.080 --> 1:39:29.640 If you have a ranch home to. 1:39:29.800 --> 1:39:32.719 Sell, I'm going to tell you please call me, because 1:39:32.760 --> 1:39:36.439 I have three buyers right now looking for a ranch 1:39:36.520 --> 1:39:39.639 home to purchase, but they're looking for a ranch home 1:39:39.760 --> 1:39:43.560 that's not six thousand square feet. They're looking for a 1:39:44.479 --> 1:39:48.479 just a moderate ranch home that's maybe two thousand square feet. So, 1:39:48.880 --> 1:39:51.799 you know, the whole thing is as we move along 1:39:51.960 --> 1:39:55.599 and being in the business for twenty years, the whole 1:39:55.680 --> 1:39:58.840 point of and this is where we got caught when 1:39:59.600 --> 1:40:03.400 the more trades were so darn low. Everybody just stood 1:40:03.520 --> 1:40:07.240 still for so long. The average time that we live 1:40:07.320 --> 1:40:09.559 in our home. When I first got in the business, 1:40:09.600 --> 1:40:12.560 it was five years, then it was seven years, and 1:40:12.720 --> 1:40:14.840 now the average time you live in your home is 1:40:14.960 --> 1:40:18.679 ten years. I actually think in Cincinnati it's probably longer 1:40:18.760 --> 1:40:21.720 than that because we just tend to stay in our 1:40:21.760 --> 1:40:24.320 home and we're happy. And especially if you live on 1:40:24.400 --> 1:40:26.439 the West Side, you've lived in your home for fifty 1:40:26.520 --> 1:40:30.000 years or it's been passed down from generation to generation. 1:40:30.640 --> 1:40:34.400 And that's fine, as long as you understand that there 1:40:34.520 --> 1:40:38.320 are some opportunities that you might be missing when it 1:40:38.400 --> 1:40:41.840 comes to your home. Okay, that is all right. So yeah, 1:40:41.920 --> 1:40:45.160 now's a good time. It's spring, it's now. Now's a 1:40:45.200 --> 1:40:45.760 good time to. 1:40:45.840 --> 1:40:48.280 Say, Okay, should I stay or should I go? 1:40:48.479 --> 1:40:48.639 Now? 1:40:49.080 --> 1:40:51.080 You know, should I stay or should I sell, do 1:40:51.160 --> 1:40:53.240 a little checkup, call a real estate agent. 1:40:53.760 --> 1:40:54.400 That's what I do. 1:40:55.080 --> 1:40:57.880 And you don't have to call a real estate agent 1:40:59.000 --> 1:41:02.759 just because you're selling. You can call someone like myself 1:41:02.920 --> 1:41:05.680 and just say, hey, listen, I'm thinking about selling. I 1:41:05.760 --> 1:41:07.600 don't know if it's the right time. I don't know 1:41:07.640 --> 1:41:11.000 if I'm ready, but I just want somebody to talk to. 1:41:11.720 --> 1:41:13.880 And you know what, that's what I do every day. 1:41:14.120 --> 1:41:16.680 And people are afraid to call and say, oh, I 1:41:16.680 --> 1:41:19.880 don't want to bother you. Well it's okay, because please 1:41:20.000 --> 1:41:23.880 bother her. She quite honestly keeps your occupied. My wife, 1:41:23.960 --> 1:41:26.599 Michelle Sloan. Sloan sells homes dot com, open House show 1:41:26.640 --> 1:41:29.160 That's me, the iHeartRadio app and of course the show 1:41:29.280 --> 1:41:32.000 on YouTube as well. She jumps in Thursdays, and as 1:41:32.040 --> 1:41:35.439 the interest said, she cuts through the real estate jungle. 1:41:35.560 --> 1:41:37.280 The problem is is why she's been at twenty years. 1:41:37.280 --> 1:41:39.760 She's been using left handed scissors. That's why it's taken 1:41:39.800 --> 1:41:41.880 her twenty years to cut through the real estate jungle. 1:41:42.040 --> 1:41:42.680 Is the real thing. 1:41:42.800 --> 1:41:43.320 That's a thing. 1:41:43.479 --> 1:41:46.960 How about that? You were right? Just you know, just 1:41:47.320 --> 1:41:55.760 like the wedding mouse said, Obey, gosh, I'm going to make. 1:41:55.680 --> 1:41:57.719 It four hundred and fifty one years. 1:41:58.680 --> 1:42:01.240 Love it once in a while. You're right, and I 1:42:01.479 --> 1:42:02.040 like to hear it. 1:42:02.400 --> 1:42:03.000 And I got it. 1:42:03.160 --> 1:42:05.479 I got the cut. There's a cut. I got the cut. 1:42:05.600 --> 1:42:09.360 Thank you, all right, love you, gotta go see you later. 1:42:09.400 --> 1:42:11.400 We got a whole week to come up on material 1:42:11.439 --> 1:42:16.360 for next week's fight, any I love her so anyway, 1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:18.400 let's give a news update. Here Willie on the way 1:42:18.439 --> 1:42:20.479 next to Home of the Red seven hundred ww since 1:42:20.520 --> 1:42:20.640 now