Speaker 1: You don't want to be an American idiots.
Speaker 2: I'm me here on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 3: Well, she can't speak for herself, so her brother is
Speaker 3: Cincinnati's exiled police chief has been sitting at home for
Speaker 3: what five almost six months, cashing the paycheck, and the
Speaker 3: city that has employed her for some thirty five years
Speaker 3: calls it a leadership failure. The city dropped the bombshell
Speaker 3: of reports which we knew was coming on Chief Fiji
Speaker 3: six months, thirty two witnesses and a verdict that could
Speaker 3: end her career. Other than that, what else is going on?
Speaker 3: His name is Russ Neville. She he is Terry's brother
Speaker 3: and sits on the show this morning to start us
Speaker 3: off on seven hundred WW Russ, welcome in. Thank you
Speaker 3: very very much, appreciate it to have.
Speaker 2: You're tired of talking about this yet, Well.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of the circumstances surrounding it, but I will
Speaker 1: never get tired of talking on behalf of Terry and
Speaker 1: defending her her reputation.
Speaker 3: She's been on leave since October, so five months now.
Speaker 3: Day to days for her is like what it's an
Speaker 3: Evan flow. I've said it all along. You know, she
Speaker 3: had good moments, bad moments.
Speaker 1: She got a lot of family, a lot of family,
Speaker 1: we support, a lot of friends, support, a lot of
Speaker 1: members support. Yeah, but it's you know, it comes and goes.
Speaker 1: It's gut punches like this, and then you have to
Speaker 1: get yourself back on your feet and you have to
Speaker 1: get ready to fight and move forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty five years in the force, never anything bad
Speaker 3: to say about her until now. Lifelong West sider. She
Speaker 3: grew up here, build a career here. That that also
Speaker 3: has to be really hard. I could see if it's
Speaker 3: an outsider coming in, but you grew up your and
Speaker 3: now your reputation is being tartished.
Speaker 1: Yes, but there are benefits to being a local and
Speaker 1: having the family and the friends that you've developed over
Speaker 1: the years and the membership affiliation as opposed to being
Speaker 1: an outsider. Could you imagine being someplace where you're hire
Speaker 1: from outside and you're going through this alone.
Speaker 2: That'd be hard. I'd be very really hard.
Speaker 3: Relative of the report that just came out from Frost
Speaker 3: Brown Top Givens that they said that they believe the
Speaker 3: culture was the she said the best I've ever seen it,
Speaker 3: And then they came out and said it's one of
Speaker 3: the worst of all time.
Speaker 2: Did she see this coming at all? Does this blindsider totally?
Speaker 1: Every bit of it has blindsided her. Every bit of
Speaker 1: it as blindsided her. And all we can do is
Speaker 1: go through the process, way through the process, defender where
Speaker 1: we have an opportunity and let litigation run its course.
Speaker 3: Never had an employment review in seven years as chief,
Speaker 3: thirty five years. Her jackets pretty clean, there's nothing in there.
Speaker 3: She thinks she's doing an exemplar job because no one's
Speaker 3: ever said, hey, you're not doing the right thing. Five
Speaker 3: days before an election, she's out of a job. Essentially,
Speaker 3: is this political?
Speaker 1: One hundred percent of citizens day one? And we feel
Speaker 1: since day one that it's driven by the mayor, it's
Speaker 1: in collaboration with the manager. And there were ways to
Speaker 1: handle this and manage this without embarrassing and degrading and
Speaker 1: damaging the integrity and reputation or the reputation on integrity
Speaker 1: or integrity will never be damaged, a reputation of somebody
Speaker 1: who's given her life to this career.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and at the same time, you know, the citizens
Speaker 3: who went to the polls re elected mayor after at
Speaker 3: Fearville and put the same council back in, So.
Speaker 2: How does that sit with her?
Speaker 1: It's it's surprising and not surprising. It's the reality of elections,
Speaker 1: it's the reality of politics. But it should have no
Speaker 1: play or no impact on law enforcement the management of
Speaker 1: a police department. You have a role, you have a responsibility,
Speaker 1: you have a dedication and a commitment, and she fulfilled
Speaker 1: every one of those.
Speaker 3: Russ Neville, and she's, like I said, she's been doing
Speaker 3: this a long time. Steve m her attorney, called her
Speaker 3: a scapegoat and also indicated that this may be gender base.
Speaker 3: She's a first female chief. Do you think jender plays
Speaker 3: a role in us?
Speaker 1: I hope not, but I think the evidence is leaning
Speaker 1: towards that being an element of it, and that is
Speaker 1: obviously part of mister RIM's role, and mister Rim will
Speaker 1: make that determination proceed forward.
Speaker 2: One appropriate they had thirty two witnesses.
Speaker 3: It said, Look, there's a culture of fear of retaliation
Speaker 3: and retribution in there. Do you believe that your sister
Speaker 3: maybe had what was different at work than she was
Speaker 3: around you?
Speaker 1: One percent? Not. The reality of it is I was
Speaker 1: around her for work for twenty plus years of it.
Speaker 1: She doesn't have a retaliatory bone in her body. She
Speaker 1: is very maternal, very caring, very supportive. She knows birthdays,
Speaker 1: she knows circumstances. She has no family situations, and she
Speaker 1: approaches them, addresses them, discusses them, cares one hundred percent cares.
Speaker 1: That is an out like, outright lie or a misperception
Speaker 1: by that few.
Speaker 3: I had FOP president Ken Kober on the show yesterday
Speaker 3: and I asked him that same question. He said, well,
Speaker 3: if that's true, you have to fire every chief ever,
Speaker 3: because every department has some level of it. It's so
Speaker 3: bad it's not functioning. He said, But that's not Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: But you know there's that level of animosity in every
Speaker 3: department because there's battles, there's unions, there's there's hierarchies. You're
Speaker 3: going to have striving.
Speaker 1: It's not limited to law enforcem right, it's it's the
Speaker 1: reality of the workplace. The workplace and Terry. Anything that
Speaker 1: was brought to her attention that she was able to
Speaker 1: have some positive impact on it, she would do it,
Speaker 1: and she did it with care. Scott. That's I don't
Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about past years of management. The reality
Speaker 1: is under Terry's leadership, and supervision. While you will have
Speaker 1: to scent, you will have disagreements.
Speaker 4: She is.
Speaker 1: A person that places accountability on her shelf and others
Speaker 1: and places high expectations on performance and consistency. She cared,
Speaker 1: and she did it through a caring consideration.
Speaker 3: One of the accusations came of the report. Adam russ Neville,
Speaker 3: who is Terry Cigi's brother, joining the show this morning
Speaker 3: and talking about this report that came out from Frost
Speaker 3: Brown Todd about nine pages. The other thing that struck
Speaker 3: me is, you know before I even read the report,
Speaker 3: and I did in full, I'm sure you did as well.
Speaker 3: Is like, okay, six months of investigation, we've now extended
Speaker 3: their contract three times, and finally report comes out and
Speaker 3: it's nine pages, Like, well, I've seen reports that are
Speaker 3: another thousand. I thought for sure. You know, the report
Speaker 3: comes out, he's like, it looks like the Bible. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's thick, it's like phone book back in the day,
Speaker 3: and this is nine pages, like not. And then what
Speaker 3: I read, I'm like, I don't see a lot here.
Speaker 1: Not only is it limited to nine pages, it's repetitive information,
Speaker 1: so it's actually six pages of whatever. And then repeated
Speaker 1: in a conclusion an it's it's bear it's minimal, it's
Speaker 1: it's non fact basis subjective, it's opinionated, and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: kind of embarrassed on behalf of the law firm for
Speaker 1: even putting a document like that together and providing it
Speaker 1: to the city.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the other element here is okay, so
Speaker 3: they're counselors, right. A counselor is a lawyer and a
Speaker 3: council counsel. So you can't force the client. You're the client.
Speaker 3: Will give you advice, will counsel you, but we can't
Speaker 3: force you to, you know, admit guilt, innocence, give the
Speaker 3: money to fight the case or not fight the case.
Speaker 3: It's up to the individual that are presenting in this case.
Speaker 3: They're hard by the city with tax payer money. One
Speaker 3: of the things I learned yesterday talking to to Cober
Speaker 3: is that they weren't allowed to record under these depositions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's mind, the same way they weren't depositions. That's
Speaker 1: my understanding. There is no recording, there is no documentation
Speaker 1: of it, which I find extremely ironic, Scott, because I
Speaker 1: spent quite a bit of time at the internal Investigation
Speaker 1: section with the police department conduct an investigation outside of
Speaker 1: internal every investigation, every interview is recorded. You lay out
Speaker 1: your investigation. You show what supports an allegation, what refutes
Speaker 1: an allegation, whether you want to take that as positive statements,
Speaker 1: negative statements, however you wanna term it. And every bit
Speaker 1: of it is laid out, is structured, very thoroughly, sequentially,
Speaker 1: and it's informative, and you base your conclusion on that,
Speaker 1: not only that, you support it with fact, based on documentation,
Speaker 1: investigative videos, recordings, anything that provides the aid in supporting
Speaker 1: or refuting, whether it's a criminal investigation or ad ministry
Speaker 1: of investigation. This is so slanted, so narrow, and so
Speaker 1: non non complete, it's pathetic. Additionally, there's an issue of nepotism.
Speaker 1: How does that strike the family another it's a perception
Speaker 1: of whomever made that statement. It's not realistic, it's not true.
Speaker 1: I'm very, very familiar with the nephew who earned his position.
Speaker 1: He has a finance degree, he got into the police department,
Speaker 1: he went to law school, he did law school part time,
Speaker 1: successfully completed law school, he went on and passed the bar.
Speaker 1: He has worked another administrative and patrol positions he's earning.
Speaker 1: He's earned of the position, and people have their perception.
Speaker 3: Hire the best person for the job. But again I
Speaker 3: think he gets back. You look at the administration, so
Speaker 3: they alleged nepotism. They also alleged that Terry Fiji kind
Speaker 3: of ran this thing like a theocracy.
Speaker 4: Writer.
Speaker 2: It's like heard's the final word, the.
Speaker 3: Disagreements, chain of command, top down mentality, and yet the
Speaker 3: same administration runs the mayor's office that way. There's no accountability.
Speaker 3: There's a top down mentality if you look at and
Speaker 3: I think there's truth to it. The Alchrvisky case where okay,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, never Adam Henny is the guy
Speaker 3: who winds up writing the arrest warrant because the detective
Speaker 3: said there's no crime here. He did it, and now
Speaker 3: he's the inter re chief because he's obeying the marching orders.
Speaker 3: And that was not a political arrest, but it certainly
Speaker 3: looks like it was a political arrest because they threw
Speaker 3: the case out. And then the other one about nepotism
Speaker 3: is Iris Rawley, who is a community activist works for
Speaker 3: the Mayor's department, makes over one hundred thousand dollars a
Speaker 3: year and her sad is working alongside her. So why
Speaker 3: would they point the dirty in the sticke of Terry
Speaker 3: Thiji when they themselves from Aftab and sure along on
Speaker 3: down are doing the same thing.
Speaker 1: Themselves because it's beneficial to their mythical narrative of an
Speaker 1: ineffective leadership and their pursuing termination. The reality of it
Speaker 1: is that Scott, I do want to say yes, couldn't
Speaker 1: care less that the administration's city Hall the eggs the
Speaker 1: way they do it's wrong.
Speaker 2: Deal with it.
Speaker 1: Voters decide that, however, I will tell you that is
Speaker 1: not how Terry manages, and the facts of that will
Speaker 1: come out when litigation depositions are provided. And we look
Speaker 1: forward to the depositions, not in a fund way, but
Speaker 1: forward to achieving the goal in hand of the depositions
Speaker 1: of each of every one of those that weren't interviewed,
Speaker 1: and those that makes such allegations provide some facts, because
Speaker 1: we got facts that refute it, and that will be
Speaker 1: the reality.
Speaker 3: She flies out to Denver, is out there, wheels go down,
Speaker 3: her phone blows up, get your asspect to Cincinnati, and
Speaker 3: then she's suspended, slash fired.
Speaker 2: What were that seventy two hours like for her.
Speaker 1: In the family, miserable, miserable, shocking, unexpected, miserable, depressing, embarrassing,
Speaker 1: and she has fought through it, continues to fight through it,
Speaker 1: and she's as strong as strong gets Scott. But she's
Speaker 1: not She's human. She has emotion, she feels pain, but
Speaker 1: family and community support is aided her and getting through
Speaker 1: the pain and the disappoint To this point.
Speaker 3: She wants her job back. We know that's not going
Speaker 3: to happen. Is she still hoping that that that occurs.
Speaker 3: I don't think. I think there's absolutely no chance whatsoever.
Speaker 1: It's interesting you asked that because I try to avoid
Speaker 1: that question with her because I wouldn't take it for
Speaker 1: any amount of money in the world. But but Terry
Speaker 1: is Terry, and she's strong, and she cares. She continues
Speaker 1: to care about this organization. She continues to care about
Speaker 1: the members, she continues to care about the community that
Speaker 1: she served, and she loves and I mean loves. So
Speaker 1: if Terry were to elect to go back, if the
Speaker 1: opportunity was there, I would support her and applaud her,
Speaker 1: and I would still be going, oh boy, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't think it's an ENVI.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like after you go, hey, I'm resigning,
Speaker 3: I'm taking a job across the street, and then they
Speaker 3: offer you more money and you stay, they're gonna resent
Speaker 3: you from that day forward.
Speaker 1: Oh it's worse than that. This, this situation is much
Speaker 1: worse than that. If you want to go back for
Speaker 1: money in a situation like that, okay, live through it.
Speaker 1: But they've tormented her, They've embarrassed her. You know, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't touch it. But Terry's Terry's Cherry. Terry's a different
Speaker 1: breeding that respect. I mean, she really really cares to
Speaker 1: the end degree, and she has confidence herself. She has
Speaker 1: confidence in the folks that she had working around her
Speaker 1: and the members of this department, and if if she
Speaker 1: were to get her position back, she would succeed to
Speaker 1: the point that they would allow her to succeed.
Speaker 3: What is so if she decided, Okay, that's out in
Speaker 3: the cards, they fire her. What you're prepared for that
Speaker 3: level of olligation because there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 3: dirt thrown at her, a lot of shade thrown at her,
Speaker 3: a lot of things are going to be made public
Speaker 3: about her.
Speaker 2: Is she have for that fight.
Speaker 4: There is.
Speaker 1: You can't do any more than surprisingly put you on
Speaker 1: administrative suspension and then put together a mythical hatchet job
Speaker 1: of a report that only shows one side of a
Speaker 1: very very very very few people. And we don't even
Speaker 1: know what those people truly said because there's no recording,
Speaker 1: there's no documentation. So what more can you do to her?
Speaker 1: What more pain and embarrassed can you put on her?
Speaker 1: She has no dirt in her history, Scott, she has
Speaker 1: no dirt in her personal life, she has no dirt
Speaker 1: in her professional life. Bring it, Bring it on, Let's
Speaker 1: go to litigation, and let's have the depositions of those
Speaker 1: that are putting this pressure and intimidation and embarrassment upon her.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna it's going to be a settlement, right,
Speaker 3: Bring it on. They would be stupid to take this
Speaker 3: to trial, well, because I mean, the biggest thing for
Speaker 3: most people are like, wait a minute, she had had
Speaker 3: a performance review in seven years, thirty five years on
Speaker 3: the job, no problems whatsoever of all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: now days before an election, there's a problem.
Speaker 2: Like if you're the city, do you back that up?
Speaker 1: I take this back to and I continue to mean it.
Speaker 1: We mean it, I speak as I, but it's a family,
Speaker 1: it's Terry, it's support. This all started when she tried
Speaker 1: to implement some judicial transparency or review, and then it
Speaker 1: progressed to whatever deterioration of the mayor's perspective of her,
Speaker 1: whatever deterioration, if any, of the manager's perspective of her,
Speaker 1: and blindsided by all of it.
Speaker 3: Is there an animosity towards Adam Henny? I mean also
Speaker 3: somebody who's like he's stuck in a weird position because
Speaker 3: he's the interim chief. In the report they mentioned that
Speaker 3: having him in there is quote unquote a breath of
Speaker 3: fresh air.
Speaker 1: I mean that has to sting for Terry. I don't
Speaker 1: know that that stings for Terry. I think it's absolutely
Speaker 1: we have no animosity toward the organization. Yah. Terry has
Speaker 1: nothing but support and care as I and the rest
Speaker 1: of us for the organization.
Speaker 2: I do have.
Speaker 1: I do hope that the depth is of those that
Speaker 1: provided interviews or sat for interviews reveals some of what
Speaker 1: was said. I do believe there are some within the
Speaker 1: organization who are taking advantage of the opportunity to advance
Speaker 1: her career and achieve positions, but it's not directed specifically
Speaker 1: at Adam Henny. Adam Henny needs to run the department
Speaker 1: to the best of his abilition. This time, he seems
Speaker 1: like a qualified good guy too. They like him and
Speaker 1: you know, but it's during this I mean, certainly your
Speaker 1: sister Terry Thiji is the main victim of this thing.
Speaker 1: But I feel for him too because he's stuck between
Speaker 1: a rock and hard pace right now. To some degree,
Speaker 1: he wanted the job that goes with it.
Speaker 2: I get it. I can be empathetic towards him as well.
Speaker 3: So has any word? Is there any indication what's going
Speaker 3: to happen next? And how long? Okay, the report came out.
Speaker 3: Now you think at this point where like we're going
Speaker 3: to fire her or we're going to bring her back
Speaker 3: and nothing from the city.
Speaker 2: What are you hearing?
Speaker 1: Nothing regarding any timelines of anything. And the anticipation is
Speaker 1: the termination will come and then mister m will do
Speaker 1: whatever that process is and we'll go forward from there.
Speaker 2: I know Steve, he's a really good attorney. He's very
Speaker 2: good at this.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a super good guy. He's a carrying guy.
Speaker 1: He's been very beneficial to Terry, and we thank him
Speaker 1: and the Finny Law firm tremendously to this point.
Speaker 2: All Right, Yeah, it's an imperfect system no matter who's
Speaker 2: in charge. But I think everyone listenings is pretty empathetic
Speaker 2: Torch her sister going, she got shafted in this whole thing.
Speaker 2: And because it us about you know, violent crime and
Speaker 2: Fountain Square and the beatdown, Well, guess what what did
Speaker 2: we just have?
Speaker 3: We just have had more violent crime. We had a
Speaker 3: mass shooting, we had street takeovers, we had you know
Speaker 3: what happened on opening day, and it's going to be
Speaker 3: a tough summer for sure. But if they're throwing that
Speaker 3: this is Terry's fault, that the crime is high, and
Speaker 3: we're having all the say it's it ain't her, and
Speaker 3: it's going to continue under Henny.
Speaker 1: Not only one was it not? Is it not? Numbers
Speaker 1: have deteriorated since she was removed in October, And yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, crime fighting and problem solving is a very
Speaker 1: difficult complex.
Speaker 3: And that was in the winter cold winner. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: fear for what's gonna happen for our city with the
Speaker 3: warm summer.
Speaker 1: Months coming'ern and we pray for We truly do pray
Speaker 1: for and feel for the members in the community. But
Speaker 1: the safety of the membership is paramount to Terry, and
Speaker 1: so we're hoping that those numbers don't continue to rise,
Speaker 1: and if they do continue to rise, that the membership
Speaker 1: remains safe.
Speaker 3: He is Russ Neville is Terry Thigi's brother, not speaking
Speaker 3: for he but speaking as a for the family and
Speaker 3: which what she's going through at this point. I appreciate
Speaker 3: coming in this morning, Rus, Thank you appreciate it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: of course, and give her my best too, because she's
Speaker 3: always come on the show and been Now sometimes we've
Speaker 3: been confrontational, but she always answered the bell, so I
Speaker 3: appreciate that confrontation support that really is all the best,
Speaker 3: and give our best to Terry. It's a Scott flowing
Speaker 3: show with news in just medical recapped the President's address
Speaker 3: last night. Gas prices going back up as a result.
Speaker 3: Will unsort it in minutes here on seven hundred w
Speaker 3: All w thanks again to Russ Neville, Terry Thigi's brother
Speaker 3: speaking for the family and interesting times. Indeed, now the
Speaker 3: balls in the city's court that gets this report out
Speaker 3: says that Terry Thiji is the worst person in the
Speaker 3: world because that's why they paid them to fight out.
Speaker 3: No surprise there, Stephen is right as a hatchet job
Speaker 3: to some degree. There may be some merits and some
Speaker 3: facts in there, for sure, but let's face it, you
Speaker 3: the taxpayer of the city of Cincinnati paying for this report,
Speaker 3: paying for the attorneys, and that will certainly to think
Speaker 3: this is somehow I don't know, like the prosecutor's officer
Speaker 3: or some sort of investigation with the truth to find
Speaker 3: out there's an agenda here, because that's what lawyers argue.
Speaker 3: They ar give that all the time, so I think
Speaker 3: that's also missed for most of the public anyway, that yeah,
Speaker 3: this is put in the context of the city wants
Speaker 3: a certain outcome, and that's why I took six months
Speaker 3: five six months for this report to come out, and
Speaker 3: they had to extend the fact finding for how long
Speaker 3: to view the thirty three people to find what they
Speaker 3: wanted to find and find clause to get rid of her.
Speaker 3: Now they're looking at public backlash on this, because I
Speaker 3: think I don't think there's been a poll on about it.
Speaker 2: But I'm pretty good.
Speaker 3: One of the things I'm few things I'm good at
Speaker 3: would be judging public sentiment and I think the sentiment
Speaker 3: of most people are like, she got kind of shafted here,
Speaker 3: because it's not like, you know, we put new things
Speaker 3: in place and crime stopped. It's getting worse measurably. And
Speaker 3: that was during the cold winter months. We'll see what
Speaker 3: summer brings. As always, opening day might be indication of
Speaker 3: what's coming. Guy, you hope not and hope that it
Speaker 3: goes back the other way, but it doesn't look like
Speaker 3: that's going to happen anytime soon. Is it the fault
Speaker 3: of the police chief, whether it's Fiji or Henny, or
Speaker 3: it's the fault of politics and policies at city Hall
Speaker 3: that voters want? Clearly they want that, and is that
Speaker 3: what this looks like? But it's going to be very
Speaker 3: expensive and very interesting in the coming days, weeks, probably months,
Speaker 3: if not years, if not years. Last night, the President,
Speaker 3: by the way, watching a NonStop footage here of something
Speaker 3: that we need is uplifting literally and figuratively, and that
Speaker 3: would be the Artemis Tuo mission. The worst thing we
Speaker 3: said is that the toilets weren't working for a period
Speaker 3: of time, which I joke with ten Reguez Yester on
Speaker 3: the show. I said, hey, you know, you got, well,
Speaker 3: I think a couple of women or one woman, a
Speaker 3: bunch of guys.
Speaker 2: How many times you stop at BUCkies? Hey, there's a BUCkies.
Speaker 3: Let's step And I was joking, but maybe you need
Speaker 3: to use a restaurant along the way somewhere.
Speaker 2: But they got the bathroom working. If I can offer.
Speaker 3: This, it's one thing when the sign says please do
Speaker 3: not flush anything besides toilet paper, we mean it as
Speaker 3: a guy who fixes that kind of stuff. I'm telling you,
Speaker 3: we mean it. Feninte products, dude wipes, whatever it is.
Speaker 3: Y'all are flushing there in the rocket.
Speaker 2: Stop it. Just use the toilet.
Speaker 3: It's not a garbage If we have a garbage can
Speaker 3: for that, we got recycling.
Speaker 2: Don't flush non.
Speaker 3: Toilet paper products, please, and thank you, your colleagues, your coworkers,
Speaker 3: your ass fellow astronauts, appreciate that. Thank you. Last night
Speaker 3: President Trump spoke. I did not get a chance to
Speaker 3: watch it. I was actually working on plumbing, believe it
Speaker 3: or not, but saw some highlights and you know where's
Speaker 3: things stand now. The problem with Trump is, as you know,
Speaker 3: there's to my opinion, there's a number of good things
Speaker 3: in there. The problem is It's like, if you would
Speaker 3: just stick to a one message rather than meander all
Speaker 3: over the place, we'd be much better. And I know
Speaker 3: I am guilty of that often on this show, so
Speaker 3: I identify with Trump on that. But the problem is
Speaker 3: you go, well, you know, regime changes in our goal.
Speaker 3: But then he said all the regimes leaders are dead,
Speaker 3: So who are you negotiating with? And are you negotiating
Speaker 3: And there's no clear finish line here, which is typical
Speaker 3: regardless of the president, that we have no exit strategy.
Speaker 3: The discussions are ongoing with the regime we just decimated.
Speaker 3: And also I will say that when we say we're
Speaker 3: going to bomb them back the Stone Age, but we're
Speaker 3: gonna negotiate. It's I can see why the markets are
Speaker 3: knowing what they're doing today, because it left me confused,
Speaker 3: quite honestly. But all in all, we know that Iran
Speaker 3: has been the number one state sponsor of terrorism for decades.
Speaker 3: You know, you go back to in my lifetime eighty
Speaker 3: three in the Beirut Marine Barracks bombing to two one
Speaker 3: hundred and forty one Americans killed, And that's when we're
Speaker 3: put out noticed Iran to bad people. If that wasn't
Speaker 3: the case. It certainly was seventy nine, right four years
Speaker 3: prior with the takeover the American embassy and then the hostages.
Speaker 3: When Iran beat in every previous administration, by the way,
Speaker 3: tried diplomacy, it's never really stopped them, and so we
Speaker 3: just keep kicking the can. Obama's nuclear deal gave Iran
Speaker 3: sanctioned and they gave him relief, and it gave him
Speaker 3: a glide path to a bomb, and Trump ended that
Speaker 3: in his first term when they started rebuilding a secret
Speaker 3: site after what was it Operation I think it was
Speaker 3: like Midnight Midnight Hammer or something like that. Hammer time
Speaker 3: they confirmed the negotiate agreements. We're never going to hold.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like the peace deal with Israel and
Speaker 3: pick someone else, which we'll get to about ten oh six.
Speaker 3: Because it's anti Semitism driving this whole thing. Got a
Speaker 3: guess on that coming up on the show, because that's
Speaker 3: really the root of this whole thing. But you know,
Speaker 3: they never want anything to lie lasting piece as a joke.
Speaker 3: They keep peace just long enough so they can continue
Speaker 3: their nuclear program. That's a problem. And if you don't
Speaker 3: belive me, look at the region. Look at how many
Speaker 3: people are look at how many countries are aligned with
Speaker 3: the United States on this, like I'm on and other
Speaker 3: or not the countries in the region there that are
Speaker 3: on our side saying, you know what, this is making
Speaker 3: it difficult for us to print money, and that's what
Speaker 3: they want to do.
Speaker 2: Those they want to print money.
Speaker 3: Iran is the one screw this thing up, and a
Speaker 3: nuclear under Ran isn't a regional problem, it's a global one,
Speaker 3: and the biggest problem right now. The biggest worry for
Speaker 3: Israel would be Iran. For sure, they get nukes, it's
Speaker 3: over and regime the chance death to America for forty
Speaker 3: seven years. Okay, what do you think that's just it's marketing.
Speaker 3: I kind of believe that. And it's the regime. It's
Speaker 3: not the people, because the people are oppressed and they
Speaker 3: want freedom and we are really really bad at nation building.
Speaker 3: I understand this whole thing. Military in thirty days, by
Speaker 3: the way, we blew up, their navy's done. The air
Speaker 3: force is dismantled, They've got a command structure collapsing, and
Speaker 3: their missile productions crippled. Okay, so the hard part's kind
Speaker 3: of done.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 3: The hopefully temporary problem here is gasoline at four bucks
Speaker 3: a gallon. That hurts all of us in a time
Speaker 3: where we are paying more for seemingly everything and the
Speaker 3: cost of living is extreme right now. And is that
Speaker 3: Trump's doing in this case? It is, But I will
Speaker 3: say that you know, Tehran is extorting world markets by
Speaker 3: charging tankers for safe packeting pack They're not exactly when
Speaker 3: you do this, like okay, we'll let's come through, but
Speaker 3: we're going to charge a toll. Not exactly the kind
Speaker 3: of people you want having nukes. Now, I've been hearing
Speaker 3: about nukes ever since what the ninety in Iran's got
Speaker 3: news Irans, and we saw what happened in rack under Bush.
Speaker 2: I understand, I appreciate, But.
Speaker 3: To me, it's like, Okay, you go in, you blow
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff up, you set them back, you
Speaker 3: cut off the head of the gime. They'll get another
Speaker 3: totalitarian in there, his son, and they'll run things with
Speaker 3: an iron fist, and then in ten years we do
Speaker 3: it all, we wipe. You just kind of kind of
Speaker 3: keep waiting, and so it's kind of like punishing a dog.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: Eventually, you know, you correct the dog's behavior and the
Speaker 3: dog will learn it's taken. It's gonna take sixty seventy
Speaker 3: hundred year should that happen. It's pretty dumb. Round's a
Speaker 3: pretty dumb dog. But I think that seems the best
Speaker 3: thing is do we want boots on the ground. Nobody
Speaker 3: wants boots on the ground. Oh, we've added what ten
Speaker 3: thousand more troops there? We were at add forty. I
Speaker 3: had the other thing too, so as fifty thousand troops, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we had forty thousand there already. We've got bases there.
Speaker 3: No one wants to see we lost thirteen. We don't
Speaker 3: want to see another thirteen. We don't want to see
Speaker 3: another one. We don't want to see more troops injured.
Speaker 3: I get that, but that's what we have a military for.
Speaker 3: And the allies that benefit most, which would be Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 3: the UE, the Gull States, Israel, they're fully on board
Speaker 3: with this. And you know, I've not liked the UN
Speaker 3: and NATO for me for a long time has been like, okay,
Speaker 3: well are they turning into the UN in a sense
Speaker 3: that you know, if you want the straight open, you
Speaker 3: can help throw some money and some effort in protecting it.
Speaker 3: You want your cheap oil, but you don't want to
Speaker 3: pay the freight, and I understand that. I think from
Speaker 3: an American point of view. In America first point of view,
Speaker 3: that makes a lot of sense to me. That way
Speaker 3: are the world's police officers first and foremost. But yeah,
Speaker 3: these other nations are doing okay because of that, maybe
Speaker 3: you can kick in a little bit. It's like having
Speaker 3: that friend you go for a road trip or you're
Speaker 3: driving somewhere and they never kick in for gas, get
Speaker 3: some scratch of the petrol man, let's go, time to
Speaker 3: pay up. And now Trump's been begging them to come
Speaker 3: protect the straight if this thing works out.
Speaker 2: At some point.
Speaker 3: Now he turns around and says, well, now you weren't
Speaker 3: willing to help us, We got your oil back, so
Speaker 3: now we're going to come at you. And he kind
Speaker 3: of alluded to that with America being the world's foremost
Speaker 3: producer petroleum and now that we've got Venezuela on board,
Speaker 3: things are looking pretty good. It's a short term pain.
Speaker 3: I just wish you were a little more clear about
Speaker 3: what it is we're doing, what the endgame was, because
Speaker 3: there are a lot of contradictions he said yesterday, which
Speaker 3: is I think that's affecting market. So if he could
Speaker 3: stay focused on the argument, I think he makes a
Speaker 3: really good case. Or what we're doing here. I don't
Speaker 3: want to see a ground invasion. I don't think we're
Speaker 3: good at regime change and state building. We're horrible at
Speaker 3: that stuff. But you go, when you blow some stuff up,
Speaker 3: you'll let them sort it out and they'll start rebuilding
Speaker 3: right away, and then ten years from now they get
Speaker 3: close to that sixty percent mark of refinement, you do
Speaker 3: it again and you'll hope you know again, Does that
Speaker 3: mean more extremism or terrorism. Yeah, but they've always done that.
Speaker 3: So in this case, rather than just letting it go,
Speaker 3: I kind of get what we're doing here now. In
Speaker 3: the short term, gas prices suck. That is also that's
Speaker 3: part of the problem, and it's certainly helping Democrats at
Speaker 3: this point. But yeah, the idea we just ignore them
Speaker 3: or give them candy and they'll behave it hasn't happened.
Speaker 2: It's never happened.
Speaker 3: And I guess it's part of my generation too, having
Speaker 3: grown up post Cold War, that I get that they
Speaker 3: are the biggest threat in that entire region. Now, can
Speaker 3: you get them back to where they were pre seventy
Speaker 3: nine into democracy, and that'd be wonderful. But you know
Speaker 3: what'll happen. There'll be another Middle Eastern state that'll pop
Speaker 3: back up and try to take that sortaly laid down.
Speaker 3: Someone else will pick it up. That's just the nature
Speaker 3: of things. This is gonna be going on with our
Speaker 3: great great great grandchildren's lifetimes. It always adds and going
Speaker 3: on to that kind of strife there's going on for
Speaker 3: thousands of years. It's just new because we have nuclear
Speaker 3: weapons in modern times. News coming up in about twelve
Speaker 3: here on seven hundred ww I mentioned anti semitism Robert
Speaker 3: Spencer and that coming up in minutes, which is really
Speaker 3: the root of this whole thing. This is a feels
Speaker 3: versus common sense and you know, I, mister common sense,
Speaker 3: feels versus common sense kind of issue for me and
Speaker 3: the victimhood. And I believe you know, here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Treat everybody fine, treat everybody good. You do whatever the
Speaker 3: hell you want. I don't care what you do as
Speaker 3: long as you don't step on my toes. To me,
Speaker 3: that's kind of how I love my life. We don't
Speaker 3: have a problem till you know, you start getting into
Speaker 3: MySpace and I think we have that here. So this
Speaker 3: one on Nashville, she flies on Southwest. She said Southwest
Speaker 3: refused to let her board a flight to lax without
Speaker 3: purchasing an additional seat under new policy requiring customers who
Speaker 3: quote unquote encroach upon neighboring seats to buy extra seating.
Speaker 3: That says what that means encroaching on the other seats.
Speaker 3: It means you're a big person. I just doesn't mean
Speaker 3: you're fat. I'm sure there's plenty of NFL players at
Speaker 3: fatnet category as well, but generally think a thick folk.
Speaker 3: And she was asked that, she said, well, can I
Speaker 3: test if I sit in the feet? Look, you're not
Speaker 3: going to fit in this. You can fit in the seat,
Speaker 3: but are you going to spill over into someone else's airspace?
Speaker 3: And the whole thing happened with the credit because it's
Speaker 3: a long confledged story. But anyway, she flew on Delta.
Speaker 3: She had to pay for three point fifty there, and
Speaker 3: I don't know how Delta accommodat or whatever the problem is.
Speaker 3: That's right, it's one of those stories that comes out.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be about body shaming that you can't treat
Speaker 3: her this way. You have to treat her like everyone else. Look,
Speaker 3: I treat you everyone else, but you want special accommodation.
Speaker 3: So we know that airline seats are tiny. Okay, I
Speaker 3: get in there. I've got wide shoulders. I used to
Speaker 3: have a wider ass, but it's less wide these days.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to do what I can do. I fit
Speaker 3: in there. I'm fine. Sometimes we shoulder bump. I can't
Speaker 3: do anything about that. But I'm in my seat. It's
Speaker 3: not like I'm spilling over into someone else's. It's talking
Speaker 3: like I'm you know, Dwayn Johnson or something. But I've
Speaker 3: had sat next to people before, and it's like, here's
Speaker 3: the thing. If if you are big and you can't
Speaker 3: keep your body in over the the arm rests, you know,
Speaker 3: you have the arm rest of war going on.
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 3: But you know, if you're coming over to my territory
Speaker 3: and then you got my two seats, this isn't about
Speaker 3: body shaming, it's not about any of that. So it's
Speaker 3: common sense. It's like you're paying, you're getting more than
Speaker 3: you paid for. I paid for my seat and you're
Speaker 3: taking you know, a third or quarter my seat. We
Speaker 3: got a problem because I paid for this space right here,
Speaker 3: and you are on my space. It's about the space.
Speaker 3: You can be big, you just can't be in my area.
Speaker 3: That's how that is. Every story like this focus on
Speaker 3: the person asked to buy a second seat. Nobody talks
Speaker 3: to the I don't know, five foot ten guy who
Speaker 3: spent a four or flight with his shoulder crush, his
Speaker 3: armor is gone and half his paid seat occupied by
Speaker 3: someone else. They bought a full seat, they showed up,
Speaker 3: They did nothing wrong. Isn't any different than a family
Speaker 3: that goes well, we bought the cheapest fare and we
Speaker 3: expect to all be seated together. So you have to
Speaker 3: give up my seat so my toddler can sit next
Speaker 3: to me. Sorry, no, you didn't pay the I pay
Speaker 3: the extra to get the seat. You don't get the
Speaker 3: seat because you show up and you pay this. It's
Speaker 3: a mixed up world. This is why airline travel sucks.
Speaker 3: Of course, the airlines don't do anything about this. I
Speaker 3: let people fight in the back, and then when they
Speaker 3: act out towards a flight attendant, then that's when it
Speaker 3: becomes a national story. So they're complicit in this whole
Speaker 3: thing too, And the part of the story that gets
Speaker 3: buried is I believe I have to have Jay Ratliffe
Speaker 3: about this. But Southwest policy includes a full refund for
Speaker 3: the second seat if the flight is in full. I
Speaker 3: don't think anyone else is doing that, And they all
Speaker 3: have similar sized policies and none of them offer a
Speaker 3: refund cushion.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 2: I thought of.
Speaker 3: The other thing too, is maybe here's what you do
Speaker 3: is let the free markets work. Because you I'm a
Speaker 3: free market kind of guy. Is here's the thing, all right,
Speaker 3: if you're bigger, you don't want to buy the extra seat,
Speaker 3: you seat them next to someone who's thinner because they
Speaker 3: don't use all their seat. You get some I don't know,
Speaker 3: some bony, skeletor looking chick. You put her in there
Speaker 3: next to the big and then everyone works out so
Speaker 3: you're only using ay if you're using two thirds of
Speaker 3: your seat, I got a third of the seat to give. However,
Speaker 3: here's the deal. You pay less money. So now we're
Speaker 3: down to this whole thing. How much space do you
Speaker 3: take up? Maybe we ought to start weighing passengers. Maybe
Speaker 3: it's like, I don't know, you go down to Houston,
Speaker 3: Texas and they're having some sort of cattle drive. You
Speaker 3: get on the scale. Here you go, you're at show weight.
Speaker 3: Get on the plane. Here's your seat, you sit next
Speaker 3: to the thin Maybe we need to do something. I
Speaker 3: don't know how you do? You know what though I
Speaker 3: was gonna say, how do you do that? But with
Speaker 3: AI and facial recognition, all the technology that haven't they
Speaker 3: could be much easier than ever before.
Speaker 2: You let AI sort it out.
Speaker 3: Here's where you sit the nextion, But then how do
Speaker 3: you sort out sitting next to your someone you're traveling with.
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know. Maybe I'm making it a
Speaker 3: bigger deal than it. This seems like, you know, it's
Speaker 3: like it's like Jenga human Jenga in Southwest announced a
Speaker 3: new policy saying, okay, we know that they're no longer
Speaker 3: it's you know, the free for all where people run
Speaker 3: on the plane. And it's kind of like, I haven't
Speaker 3: flown Southwest in a long time, and I used to
Speaker 3: before I've had this good experience, but the whole nowadays,
Speaker 3: you know, running to your seat because there's no assigned seating.
Speaker 3: It's it's like hours before the WBN fireworks, you know,
Speaker 3: but people are putting their tarpaut with duct tape. On it,
Speaker 3: saying this is their seat on the Serpentine wall. It
Speaker 3: might work down on Labor Day weekend, but it doesn't
Speaker 3: really work when you're taking a flight to the Denver
Speaker 3: or something. The woman finally suit said, the policy is
Speaker 3: based on perception of no guidelines, but that's not accurate either.
Speaker 3: And you know, seat belts, armorss, trade tables, they're not
Speaker 3: comfort feature, they're essentially safety equipment. Flight attendants are stewardess
Speaker 3: is until they become flight attendants really where their job
Speaker 3: is to keep you alive in the event and the
Speaker 3: rare event of an emergency. And that's what they're there for.
Speaker 3: And we've talked about this with service animals, and the
Speaker 3: line that there's going to be an incident that's going
Speaker 3: to cost lives because of these stupid feel good policies
Speaker 3: is what it is. And I think you know, once again,
Speaker 3: like anything, the gate agent handling was poor. They canceled
Speaker 3: the original ticket before securing the second seat payment and
Speaker 3: they all these things.
Speaker 2: It all happens at gate. It's like, that's why I
Speaker 2: get in trouble.
Speaker 3: I don't have room for my carry on because someone's
Speaker 3: got a cello that they somehow got through and put
Speaker 3: in the overhead bent and took fifty spaces up. Go Well,
Speaker 3: why don't you just do your job? Better job policing.
Speaker 3: But they don't want it. Nobody wants to have this conversation,
Speaker 3: which is exactly why the airlines have been avoiding it
Speaker 3: for well over twenty years, and why the passengers the
Speaker 3: middle seat has been silent. I will speak for the
Speaker 3: miserable middle seat passenger, having done that before. What about
Speaker 3: the middle seat passenger? Don't they deserve every right to
Speaker 3: comfort as everyone else? What about their feels? We'll do
Speaker 3: news Outslan show on the Home of the Red seven
Speaker 3: hundred WW Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Do you want to be an American?
Speaker 3: Got flowed here on seven hundred WLW. President speaking last
Speaker 3: night on the Big One and talked about what's happening
Speaker 3: in Iran. We saw the markets react negatively today because
Speaker 3: he said another two to three weeks, so we're negotiating,
Speaker 3: but we may flatten them. And so again a lot
Speaker 3: of mixed messages coming out of that speech last night. However,
Speaker 3: one constant remains true, and that is the problem that
Speaker 3: is Iran. But it's part of a much bigger problem,
Speaker 3: and that is anti Semitism. We were called back on
Speaker 3: October seven, twenty twenty three, when a mass attacked Israel.
Speaker 3: Here in the US, even we have college campus is
Speaker 3: rife with anti Semitism and Iran and Israel going at
Speaker 3: it there war now this one with the United States,
Speaker 3: and the goal is to stop them from having and
Speaker 3: acquiring nuclear weapons. That's a decent goal, but it's been
Speaker 3: impossible to do so far. Robert Spencer is here to
Speaker 3: put it in perspective, and this is all has to
Speaker 3: do with anti Semitism, which he studies at the Horowitz
Speaker 3: Freedom Center.
Speaker 2: Robert, welcome, good morning, How are you say?
Speaker 4: Good get to talk to you.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I look at this whole thing, and it
Speaker 3: seems to me that we are never ever ever going
Speaker 3: to have peace in the Middle East in our lifetime
Speaker 3: and most likely in our children's lifetime.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, But you're unfortunately you were correct. This problem is
Speaker 6: and nobody wants to acknowledge this in Washington really or
Speaker 6: anywhere else. But the problem is that the Islamic religion
Speaker 6: dictates than any land that was ruled by Muslims at
Speaker 6: any time belongs to them forever, and so they will
Speaker 6: never accept ever the state of Israel.
Speaker 4: There will always.
Speaker 6: Be fighting against it as long as there are people
Speaker 6: who believe in Islam. And so this is one element
Speaker 6: of the conflict that none of the foreign policy experts
Speaker 6: in Washington have ever faced. And yet really it's the key,
Speaker 6: the defining aspect of the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a nuance there, like a lot of religions, right,
Speaker 3: and that is the hardliners, the hard line Islamist, the Hamas, yeah, Hesbalah.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: There are plenty of Muslims who can get along with Jews.
Speaker 3: We've seen that before, and unfortunately it's just those in power,
Speaker 3: those that seek power and essentially take areas over, these
Speaker 3: are the ones enforcing those values.
Speaker 2: I mean, I look literally exactly.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, both science have to want peace in
Speaker 3: order for that to occur, and both sides have to give.
Speaker 6: Things to give the impression that this is something that
Speaker 6: every Muslim in the world thinks. But the problem is
Speaker 6: that because these guys are basing their hatred of Israel
Speaker 6: on Islamic principle, it's never going to go away. There
Speaker 6: will always see some of the Muslims who think, oh, yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, this is our religious duty to fight Israel.
Speaker 3: If you go back in history, which you're in a
Speaker 3: story and you know full on good is that. I
Speaker 3: think there could have been peace all along. But Palestinians
Speaker 3: continually reject every piece off opportunity for statehood ever made.
Speaker 3: It started in forty seven, it happened in sixty seven
Speaker 3: after the Sixth Day War, it happened with Clinton and Arafat.
Speaker 3: In two thousand and two thousand and eight, the Israeli
Speaker 3: Prime minister's name escapes me now met with Mamoudabas there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: the President of Palestine and said, here, percent of the
Speaker 3: West Bank will swap some land, you guys take that over.
Speaker 3: He acknowledged the offering, he said, well it's too and
Speaker 3: didn't even show up to the next meeting, didn't even
Speaker 3: to schedule it. So if you've done that over the
Speaker 3: course of what eight decades, I just don't think they
Speaker 3: want peace exactly.
Speaker 6: And they don't want peace because it goes against this
Speaker 6: religious imperative, and so they feel like they if mock
Speaker 6: foot a Bus were to say today that he wants peace,
Speaker 6: he'd be overthrown by the hardliners. And so this is
Speaker 6: a dilemma that anybody who does want peace on the
Speaker 6: Palestinian side has to say.
Speaker 2: The ceasefire, the peace.
Speaker 3: This time around, it just feels fleeting, like you know,
Speaker 3: someone probably Iran is going to launch an attack. It
Speaker 3: is probably after they fully developed and say okay, we
Speaker 3: have nuclear weapons right now, pull off for the pull
Speaker 3: out of the treaty. You're going to know that they
Speaker 3: mean business and they're not going to stop until they do,
Speaker 3: which is the horrific part of this whole thing. We
Speaker 3: had the Six Day War, the twelve Day War, we
Speaker 3: had the quick ceasefire. It's just a never ending story
Speaker 3: and it's just moving towards something that's going to change
Speaker 3: the world forever.
Speaker 2: Just it can't be done. So this could be.
Speaker 3: The shortest interview ever. I mean, I honestly, it's always
Speaker 3: an issue. Anti Semitism is rising. It's ugly head again
Speaker 3: here in America and elsewhere, and there are waves of this.
Speaker 3: But for the life of me, this is a problem
Speaker 3: should have been solved long ago. But you have unwilling
Speaker 3: participants that simply don't want that. And yet I look
Speaker 3: at what's happening on college campuses where they're literally calling
Speaker 3: for death to Jews and Zionists, and I have a
Speaker 3: hard time digesting that.
Speaker 6: I'll be honest with you, Well, it's coming from the
Speaker 6: left to tremendous degree that is set against Israel because
Speaker 6: they're socialist internationalists. They don't like the idea of a
Speaker 6: state that's based on a particular aspect of people when
Speaker 6: they want to erase all the differences between people and
Speaker 6: make it all equal. And then you have the Islamic
Speaker 6: anti semitism that comes out of the Qur'an. And here again,
Speaker 6: you know, we can say, sure, there are many millions
Speaker 6: of Muslims who don't subscribe this. Unfortunately, those that do
Speaker 6: are out on the college campuses screening these things that
Speaker 6: you mentioned, and working with the left to menace Jewish
Speaker 6: students and pro Israel students. This is something that the
Speaker 6: Trump administration is cracking down upon, and quite rightly.
Speaker 2: I guess common sense knows no age group for sure,
Speaker 2: or level of education as we've seen at college campuses
Speaker 2: or elsewhere for that matter.
Speaker 3: I look at this situation just leaves me scratching my heads.
Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure what the college campus protesters want.
Speaker 3: They just want Israel to simply go away. They you know,
Speaker 3: every time Israel backs off, you have a Maha. I mean,
Speaker 3: explain the October attacks of twenty twenty three, where you're
Speaker 3: literally raping women, You're taking young people and holding them
Speaker 3: hostage for days and weeks and months.
Speaker 2: I just to what ends.
Speaker 3: I mean, you want to stop the peril in Gaza
Speaker 3: and living conditions are terrible, but every time it seems
Speaker 3: like Israel gives them an inch. Hamas exploits that. You know,
Speaker 3: the idea that we can't fish more than ten miles
Speaker 3: off our shore, that's because they opened it up before
Speaker 3: and i'm as started bringing running guns and everything else
Speaker 3: into that country, so I had to shut it down.
Speaker 3: It's completely the actions of this terrorist group. And yet
Speaker 3: that's never reflected back to them. Somehow, this is Israel
Speaker 3: being petulant and want to exterminate Palestinians, which I don't
Speaker 3: understand that.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, the chance on the campuses has been
Speaker 6: from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
Speaker 6: That means from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.
Speaker 6: Every inch of Israel is between those two places and
Speaker 6: those two bodies of water. And so what they're saying
Speaker 6: is they want to destroy Israel completely. And then you've
Speaker 6: got the question, okay, They're nine million people in Israel,
Speaker 6: seven million Jews and two million Arabs. What happens to them?
Speaker 6: And apparently what the people who are at least running
Speaker 6: these protests want is for those people to be killed.
Speaker 6: It was even a Palestinian leader who said, We're not
Speaker 6: even going to let them keep their graves. We're going
Speaker 6: to make the Jews dig up their graves and take
Speaker 6: them out of this country. Not a single Jew is
Speaker 6: going to live in the Palestinian state.
Speaker 2: And we also have, you know, the refugee issues in
Speaker 2: their security concerns, political decisions, divisions I'm sure even within
Speaker 2: even with the Palestinian group. But if you truly want peace,
Speaker 2: you can't be an extremist here. You can't create a
Speaker 2: future where neither side lives in fear of the It's
Speaker 2: just that that's got to happen. You got to realize
Speaker 2: at some point that you know, Jews in Israel, that
Speaker 2: that nation's not going to go away, nor the Palestine Palestinians,
Speaker 2: and at some point you think that, hey, we've got
Speaker 2: to recognize each other. But that hasn't happened in one
Speaker 2: hundred years, so I have no hope of that happening.
Speaker 6: Immediately No, And well I explained why it's never going
Speaker 6: to happen because it goes against what a lot of
Speaker 6: these people see as their religious imperatives. And so it's
Speaker 6: very hard to surmount that you don't go to a
Speaker 6: negotiating table and give away your religion.
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's not negotiable.
Speaker 3: Robert Spencer on the Scotslane Show is with the Horowitz
Speaker 3: Freedom Center and last night and Trump spoke about Iran
Speaker 3: and what the mission is sort of kind of in
Speaker 3: a Trump way. Nonetheless, we're bombing the hell out of
Speaker 3: them until they acquiesced. But this is all the root
Speaker 3: of this whole thing is anti Semitism, and how do
Speaker 3: you make that go away? It solves a lot of
Speaker 3: problems in the lease, but in our lifetime I don't
Speaker 3: see it happening because anti Semitism feel like they're getting worse.
Speaker 6: Robert, Oh, there's no doubt about it, Scott whatsoever. Especially
Speaker 6: in Europe, we see people being Jewish, people are just
Speaker 6: being randomly attacked on the street. Actually we've seen that
Speaker 6: in the United States as well. In New York and
Speaker 6: Pennsylvania and Philly. They were targeting a deli that was
Speaker 6: owned by a Jewish guy just because he was Jewish,
Speaker 6: has nothing to do with the state of Israel, nothing
Speaker 6: to do with Gaza.
Speaker 3: The core of this problem, Robert is it's a radical
Speaker 3: theocracy over there. That's really the issue. They control everything,
Speaker 3: the thought, the speech.
Speaker 2: All of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, they are notoriously opposed to the freedom of speech
Speaker 6: and dialogue. And so this is something that comes out
Speaker 6: of the international left, which is intolerant of dissent, and
Speaker 6: we see it on these college campuses. There's no discussion,
Speaker 6: there's no debate. Usually the opposition, the pro Israel side,
Speaker 6: doesn't even get a chance to have a hearing. And
Speaker 6: this is something that is really contrary to the very
Speaker 6: idea of what a university is supposed to be about.
Speaker 6: But that doesn't stop them.
Speaker 4: Of course.
Speaker 3: We're talking about the history of anti Semitism. What the
Speaker 3: roots of this is? An historian? Where did it begin?
Speaker 6: It comes out of four different sources Christianity, Islam, national
Speaker 6: socialism which is Nazism, and international socialism which is communism.
Speaker 6: And communism is really what's driving it mostly today the
Speaker 6: impulse to collectivize everything, to make everybody the same, which
Speaker 6: cuts against the idea of the Jewish state. Christianity is
Speaker 6: the only one of those four where anti Semitism has
Speaker 6: been officially repudiated at the top by the leaders of
Speaker 6: the church. It still exists in Islam with no rejection
Speaker 6: from anyone. Still exists among the resurgent Nazis. We see
Speaker 6: nowadays that's alleged historian Darryl Cooper out getting widely watched
Speaker 6: platforms essentially recreate repeating talking points from the Nazis. And
Speaker 6: it's astonishing what's going on these days. But it seems
Speaker 6: as if it's always been an undercurrent under the surface
Speaker 6: and is now using the alleged sins of the state
Speaker 6: of Israel to break out again.
Speaker 2: And throughout history.
Speaker 3: I always found this interesting too, that throughout history, like
Speaker 3: a lot of oppressed groups, right Jews were often restricted
Speaker 3: to professional money lending, for example, right new stereotyp and
Speaker 3: now because of a massed wealth and success and power
Speaker 3: and financial influence, somehow that's looked at as well, this
Speaker 3: is how they get Yet, which wait a minute, if
Speaker 3: you force someone into doing this and they're really to
Speaker 3: be really good at it, I don't understand how you
Speaker 3: could be upset and angery with something you forced people
Speaker 3: to do so profession. Back then, we're limited, as I understand,
Speaker 3: and somehow money lending was frowned upon as a legitimate
Speaker 3: source of income or supporting your family, and Jews thrived
Speaker 3: at this, and now years later it's used against them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're absolutely right. As a matter of fact, this
Speaker 6: has been going on for centuries. It becomes out of
Speaker 6: Catholic Europe, where usury was considered to be a sin,
Speaker 6: and so the Christians didn't engage in money lending and
Speaker 6: the Jews did it, and then they were blamed for
Speaker 6: only wanting money and being obsessed with money and so on.
Speaker 6: And this has become one of the central claims of
Speaker 6: the anti Semis to this day, the idea that they
Speaker 6: control international banking and finance and star wars and so
Speaker 6: on as a result in order just to increase their
Speaker 6: profits from weapons and various other things. And it really
Speaker 6: all comes out of the fact that most of the
Speaker 6: other professions were forbidden to them, and so they went
Speaker 6: into banking and so on, and actually the Christian Europeans
Speaker 6: needed them because they needed the banks. Yeah, then bothered
Speaker 6: them for being involved in banking.
Speaker 2: And which they are forced to begin with.
Speaker 3: The other that element of this thing too is and
Speaker 3: you know, you look at Islam is holding onto this,
Speaker 3: but it seems like Christianity generally has gotten over. You know,
Speaker 3: Historically Jews are portrayed as what Christ killers right and
Speaker 3: and they were looked upon the same derision today. Is
Speaker 3: Islam the only major religion laft that really has this
Speaker 3: want to want to attack Jews and essentially restrict Zionism
Speaker 3: and reputed all that stuff. I think the only major
Speaker 3: religion left that's that's come out as anti semi.
Speaker 2: It's now.
Speaker 3: You may have pockets in other areas, but as a
Speaker 3: religious organized religion, I think most others don't look at
Speaker 3: it that way anywhere?
Speaker 1: Do they?
Speaker 2: Am I wrong?
Speaker 6: Well, unfortunately, you've got various aspects of the Koran, the
Speaker 6: Holy Book of Islam, that teach things like the Jews
Speaker 6: are the worst enemies of the Muslims Chapter five, verse
Speaker 6: eighty two, that the Jews will be at the end
Speaker 6: of the world. This is a prophecy from Maha that's
Speaker 6: in the traditions in the Hidiz, not in the Qoran.
Speaker 6: But it says that the last day will not come
Speaker 6: until Muslims kill Jews and the Jews will hide behind trees,
Speaker 6: and the trees will call out a Muslim, there's a
Speaker 6: Jew hiding behind me, Come and kill him now, you know.
Speaker 6: Here again it can always be said. Obviously, not every
Speaker 6: Muslim takes that for take that seriously. But those that do,
Speaker 6: they think they can bring on the end times, they
Speaker 6: can hasten the consummation of all things by killing Jews.
Speaker 6: And so this is of course a very dangerous idea
Speaker 6: to have, but it's rooted in the religious texts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think most still, I don't know if all,
Speaker 3: certainly not all Muslims do that. Is there a growing
Speaker 3: number of people who are more moderate in Islam. And
Speaker 3: I say that because I look at Iran and they
Speaker 3: look like a democracy fifty years ago.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, you've got lots of millions and millions
Speaker 6: of people who are moderate in Islam, who are not
Speaker 6: acting upon those passages and not taking them as marching
Speaker 6: orders for today. The problem is that you also have
Speaker 6: others who are.
Speaker 2: And the ones in power like Amas has Blah, those
Speaker 2: are the US they espouse. That's the problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, finally, hoist Robert Spencer. It's it's an
Speaker 3: issue of assimilation to them, they tend to look at
Speaker 3: Jews as well. They want to have their own culture
Speaker 3: and they don't want to assimilate. But historically, I mean,
Speaker 3: there's still plenty of people in Islam who don't want
Speaker 3: to do that either. So I don't understand line of thinking.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense. It's contradictory.
Speaker 4: Well yeah it is.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, the international left loves Islam
Speaker 6: because Islam lends itself to authoritarianism. If you look back
Speaker 6: into history, there are there are no Islamic democracies. There
Speaker 6: are no republics in the Islamic world. Turkey is a
Speaker 6: big exception, but Turkey was founded on an explicit rejection
Speaker 6: of political Islam. Ordinarily, Islam lends itself to authoritarian rule.
Speaker 6: And this is because Mohammed said, to obey your ruler,
Speaker 6: even if he's an Ethiopian with a head like a raisin.
Speaker 6: That a lot of people quote is saying, oh see,
Speaker 6: look he was a racist, and that's another.
Speaker 4: Conversation we could have.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I think what's more important right now is
Speaker 6: that that makes for authoritarian rule. You obey your ruler
Speaker 6: no matter what, even if he's what Mohammad thought of
Speaker 6: as an outlandish character. And so this is a very
Speaker 6: dangerous thing, but it lends itself. If you got other
Speaker 6: people who want to stamp out democracies, then they think, well,
Speaker 6: we will allow Islam to grow, but we will restrict
Speaker 6: Judaism because it is based on this particularity of people
Speaker 6: where we want to erase the distinctions between people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that authoritarianism ring true, because we're leading back that
Speaker 3: way here in America as we speak, too so, and
Speaker 3: we've got a long way to go before we were
Speaker 3: like them. But you know, there are areas of this
Speaker 3: that concern me, certainly from a civil liberties perspective.
Speaker 2: You're in America.
Speaker 3: Nonetheless, it's Robert Spencer, Anti Semitism, History and myth is
Speaker 3: the book and all the best. Robert, thanks for coming
Speaker 3: on the show this morning.
Speaker 4: Hey, great talking to you, Scott.
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Speaker 3: Last week was opening day, of course, and so he
Speaker 3: had the day off, not a lot of I don't
Speaker 3: know er stuff. We can talk about health fitness because
Speaker 3: we're out there drinking, eating bad food and join ourselves.
Speaker 2: That's own. We don't want you spoiling our good time.
Speaker 3: Mister doctor pants Nanje Shabakamani, your physician at Dinewell Doc.
Speaker 3: It's where a health and fitness and of course medicine.
Speaker 3: I'll collide to the question is when you get to it,
Speaker 3: maybe I'm a particular age. I shouldn't say this because
Speaker 3: we're getting it younger and younger. That is cholesterol medication.
Speaker 3: You hear about the statins and the like, and new
Speaker 3: guidelines say millions more Americans should be on this stuff
Speaker 3: should start probably at birth for a lot of us
Speaker 3: in America. Here, why why not? I believe that honestly,
Speaker 3: with things like Sir cher Leane and you know, with
Speaker 3: the level of depression and things that people have, and
Speaker 3: it's a wonderful drug. This and statins should be in
Speaker 3: the drinking way. Well, it should all be in the
Speaker 3: drinking war. Let's talk about that. So what the American
Speaker 3: College of Cardiology, the Heart Association released the guidelines.
Speaker 7: What they say, right, So really what they're focusing on
Speaker 7: is the prevent risk score. So that stands for it's
Speaker 7: not a very fancy acronym. It's predicting the risk of events.
Speaker 7: So it's kind of cheating when it comes to acronyms,
Speaker 7: but prevent is the score. You can actually google this
Speaker 7: and do your own numbers if you know some of
Speaker 7: your you know, lab tests like your LDL cholesterol, your
Speaker 7: hemoglobe in a one CEE and then find out what
Speaker 7: your risk is of having a heart attack or stroke
Speaker 7: in ten years and in thirty years, and so you know,
Speaker 7: just punching the numbers. If you got your labs from
Speaker 7: your dock and you see those, now what does that
Speaker 7: translate to? Well, if you're in a higher risk category,
Speaker 7: then they say, you know, there's a good chance that
Speaker 7: if your LDL is high, that you would meet criteria
Speaker 7: to be on a stat If you're in a very
Speaker 7: high risk category, well you want to keep your LDL
Speaker 7: below fifty five, which I'm not sure I know anyone
Speaker 7: with an LDL below fifty five, but that's what they're
Speaker 7: aiming for. Is much like harder guidelines for where you
Speaker 7: want your LDL cholesterol to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gotcha, And that's something you know. No one likes
Speaker 3: taking medicine or going to the doctor. It's just just
Speaker 3: the way it is. Especially when the ELS guy. I
Speaker 3: want to see as you. I don't mind you coming
Speaker 3: in here, but I don't want to go to your
Speaker 3: job and sit in But I think too, It's like
Speaker 3: there's also an element people understand this is like you
Speaker 3: try to take care to eat right, and most of
Speaker 3: us try to do the best we can, but we don't.
Speaker 3: But there's a hereditary element to this whole thing as well.
Speaker 7: There is there are things that we can control and can't.
Speaker 7: To your point, you know, diet exercise that will those
Speaker 7: will do stuff. And if your LDL is high, you
Speaker 7: can bring those down decently with diet, exercise, more sleep,
Speaker 7: like we've talked about before. But those those statin medications
Speaker 7: really bring it down a lot, like forty percent, whereas
Speaker 7: you know, diet exercise also be like ten to twenty
Speaker 7: percent reduction in your LDL.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the hm my levels are wacky in that
Speaker 2: it's things like listen, it's you're doing what you're speed
Speaker 2: to be doing. We just can't.
Speaker 3: You can't control genetics. So take a little stat and
Speaker 3: it balances things out.
Speaker 2: You're good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh.
Speaker 7: And And what we're finding is is that to your
Speaker 7: point of a lot more people could be on statins
Speaker 7: that would be in that moderate to high risk category
Speaker 7: per the Prevent Score. And so you're going to see
Speaker 7: a change and more statins probably being prescribed in the
Speaker 7: next couple of years because of this new calculator, new guidelines. Additionally,
Speaker 7: they've started saying really start screening the stuff in the
Speaker 7: twenties and thirties, so everyone should, you know, have at.
Speaker 2: Least get it checked.
Speaker 7: You know, you don't necessarily have to start a statin
Speaker 7: if you don't want to, but at least know where
Speaker 7: your levels are. Especially if you have one of those,
Speaker 7: you might find out you have a genetic predisposition to
Speaker 7: having high cholesterol. And one more thing would be the
Speaker 7: lipoprotein A, which is starting to become more and more
Speaker 7: significant as we learn more about it, which is another
Speaker 7: type of one of those cholesterol things, but seems to
Speaker 7: be you know, it's very genetically and very genetically based
Speaker 7: and very hereditary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people don't want to hear that in their thirties,
Speaker 3: like wait, I got to be on a statin. I
Speaker 3: mean I've seen some toddlers that probably should be on
Speaker 3: a stat And at the same time, you see older
Speaker 3: people like, oh man, it looks fit and thin. It's like,
Speaker 3: I'm not all these medications. So you know, to your point,
Speaker 3: you know what you see is not what you get.
Speaker 7: Exactly, and you know your whole cholesterol profile might not
Speaker 7: tell you the whole story. Breaking it down individually and
Speaker 7: then talking with your physician about it is an important thing,
Speaker 7: and so you know, the question is, well, why does
Speaker 7: cholesterol matter? And really what it is about is building
Speaker 7: up plaque on the inside of your arteries that feed
Speaker 7: your heart and your or your brain, and so minimizing
Speaker 7: that risk of forming plaques on the inside of those
Speaker 7: arteries are basically you can imagine it, crud on the
Speaker 7: inside of your plumbing will decrease the risk of heart
Speaker 7: attack and stroke. And that's been shown with the statin
Speaker 7: medications especially.
Speaker 3: Does that just happen with age or some people immune
Speaker 3: to the plaque build up just naturally? Is that again
Speaker 3: the genetic thing or I mean diet exercise have a
Speaker 3: long way to go for that too. Can you reverse that?
Speaker 7: So there are thoughts that you can reverse it. You
Speaker 7: can definitely slow it down, and some people say you
Speaker 7: can reverse the plaque as well as far as you
Speaker 7: know being born with that stuff. Yes, and people will
Speaker 7: have a bigger predisposition to developing that stuff and other
Speaker 7: people will be quote immune, I mean not no one's
Speaker 7: completely immune. But what we see is it's not just
Speaker 7: the cholesterol and the presence of the cholesterol, it's also inflammation.
Speaker 7: Inflammation will lead to more plaque build up and plaque rupture,
Speaker 7: which is what precedes heart attacks and strokes.
Speaker 3: Inflammation whole another topic, right, sign Jay, the statins they
Speaker 3: have a reputation for muscle soreness and side effects. So
Speaker 3: you're trying to sell us to a thirty year old.
Speaker 3: Now what's the reality of that of.
Speaker 2: The side effects.
Speaker 7: So the truth is there are a couple side effects
Speaker 7: and it is muscle soreness. When people talk about it,
Speaker 7: they're like, oh, muscle breakdown and true muscle breakdown or
Speaker 7: what we know is rabdom analysis, which is you know,
Speaker 7: can threaten your kidneys and stuff. That happens extremely rarely,
Speaker 7: but many people will get muscle soreness. As the dose
Speaker 7: goes higher, you get more muscle soreness more often than not.
Speaker 7: So just cutting down the dose if you feel that
Speaker 7: can help. But it doesn't seem to be anything dangerous
Speaker 7: most of the time, except when you develop that you know,
Speaker 7: rubbed them AlSi.
Speaker 2: I'm sure all the time. Just pile it on.
Speaker 4: What the hell?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just existing makes me feel everything hurts. I can't
Speaker 3: talk to statin or just I'm an old af Sanjay
Speaker 3: Shavkramani are eer doctor, a health and fitness guy at Dinewell.
Speaker 3: Doc joins to show every Thursday morning, talk about the
Speaker 3: latest and in we're talking about cholesterol medication right now,
Speaker 3: and people often hear this and go, I don't want
Speaker 3: to take that stuff, and you know it's actually it's
Speaker 3: it's a pretty simple. It's a pretty simple thing to
Speaker 3: do in order to correct something could be fatal to you.
Speaker 3: Because man, you've seen people of strokes before, and it's
Speaker 3: if you survive it, not quoid. You survive it, but
Speaker 3: your life's gonna be a lot different if it winds
Speaker 3: up being the catastrophic kind because there are different levels
Speaker 3: of strokes as well.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, And you know the thing is, there's there's evidence
Speaker 7: for taking these statins before you have an event, and
Speaker 7: there's evidence for after you have an event, what we
Speaker 7: call secondary prevention to stop it from having another one.
Speaker 7: And where we really see a ton of difference is
Speaker 7: after strokes and heart attacks patients there on statins. There
Speaker 7: their risk of dying goes down significantly, Their risk of
Speaker 7: having another event goes down a lot. But even before
Speaker 7: you have an event, it can help, just not as much,
Speaker 7: but it's helpful, and either before you or after you've
Speaker 7: had an event.
Speaker 3: I know someone who spent their life studying medicine is
Speaker 3: shocked to know this. Most people will listen and go, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't care, or you know, I'm fine, I'll I'll
Speaker 3: be good. But if people abided by this, what what
Speaker 3: would happen to your PCP? I mean, primary care providers
Speaker 3: probably would be swamped with people hearing this and going, well,
Speaker 3: I probably should get checked and see if I need
Speaker 3: a STAT.
Speaker 2: I don't think they'd mind.
Speaker 7: I mean, at the end of the day, like bring,
Speaker 7: bring all the stuff early, so again, you don't have
Speaker 7: to see me in the er after you've had a
Speaker 7: catastrophic event. I don't want to see you in the er.
Speaker 7: As much as I like seeing people, I don't want
Speaker 7: to meet you that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so you go in, you get your
Speaker 3: STAT and in the costason they're pretty cheap, I mean,
Speaker 3: because they've.
Speaker 7: All come off patent now, so they're they're all generic.
Speaker 7: So you know, there's there's a lot of talk about
Speaker 7: big pharma and the stuff in there, and there are
Speaker 7: you know, some arguments for that, but at the end
Speaker 7: of the day, this is now cheap and and very effective.
Speaker 3: So what you're saying is if you treat it now,
Speaker 3: it won't be as intensive later on. Basically we're not
Speaker 3: even having an event, like we're talking about an m
Speaker 3: I or a stroke.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so over time, you know, your plaques will build up,
Speaker 7: So you're thinking about the long game here as opposed
Speaker 7: to all right, I'll just take it when I'm sixty
Speaker 7: or seventy, and I'll prevent something from happening. Your cholesterol
Speaker 7: actually starts building up when you're in your twenties and thirties.
Speaker 7: Sadly enough, you know, being in my late forties, that
Speaker 7: is a difficult thing to think about. But I'll tell
Speaker 7: you that. Just three weeks ago, I had my panel drawn.
Speaker 7: Although it will look a lot different today than it
Speaker 7: did two weeks ago because I went to see Project
Speaker 7: hil Mary last night and the fiance and I shared
Speaker 7: a bucket of popcorn the large verse you did, and
Speaker 7: by share I mean I ate three quarters.
Speaker 2: Okay, of course you did with extra button n'st question.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so we won't better not even a real butter,
Speaker 7: fake butter, don't tell me that's fake. That was as
Speaker 7: real as it can take real.
Speaker 3: Well, you just spent time in Wisconsin, so you know
Speaker 3: the differenenting fake and real butter. Yes, because there's no margarine.
Speaker 3: There's none of that stuff in Wisconsin. It's butter. It's
Speaker 3: a real cow.
Speaker 2: It's the real stuff, full cow, cheese, kurds, beer, full cow.
Speaker 7: Which I immersed myself. Yeah, so maybe it's gonna be
Speaker 7: a few weeks. But before I check my class, somebody
Speaker 7: I know did this. I forget who it was, but
Speaker 7: it's funny because their wife was out of town. And
Speaker 7: this was back in the day Tony Terry's Turf Club
Speaker 7: in Cincinnati, right the Burger place. I think he ate
Speaker 7: there three nights in a row, and then had I
Speaker 7: was thinking about.
Speaker 3: He says, like his twenties or thirties, goes to the doctor,
Speaker 3: gets a panel drawn, and they called him back in emergency. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he goes do you each time He's like, well, with
Speaker 3: Terry's Turf guy at a Burger life last second, that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to show you. I mean, you can have one,
Speaker 2: but three nights in a row.
Speaker 3: You're gonna be regretting. It's a problem. Yeah, it's a problem.
Speaker 3: So but anything in moderation you can do. The bucket
Speaker 3: of popcorn and all of the things. Is like I
Speaker 3: in speaking of a movie, I'll get off on a
Speaker 3: tangent here speaking of movie theaters. I I you know,
Speaker 3: you go to take out your care to restaurants, the
Speaker 3: whole thing. I don't know where they get the paperwhere from?
Speaker 3: Like a small there. It's like a bucket of KFC chicken,
Speaker 3: a small pop Yeah, wait, where are you getting these cups?
Speaker 2: I've seen anywhere else in.
Speaker 3: The wild except to go to a movie theater. All
Speaker 3: I'm a small and it literally looks like there was
Speaker 3: chicken in it before.
Speaker 7: I had my bucket of popcorn and my bucket of
Speaker 7: coke zero yeah, right next to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just bucketing.
Speaker 3: Why And the thing is you're sitting for ninety minutes
Speaker 3: to three hours? Are you that dehydrated watching a movie?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 7: I mean I did get hungry after the first like
Speaker 7: after the previews, you know, the previously like forty five
Speaker 7: minutes long, and the popcorn was all gone, and I
Speaker 7: was like, I have none for the movie.
Speaker 2: The popcorn is fine, though, it's like it's it's it's
Speaker 2: it's floss for your coldon right, I mean it's five
Speaker 2: talking about fiber. Yeah, it's good. It's good for you.
Speaker 7: That's some health benefit. That's pretty much like eating the salad.
Speaker 7: I mean coke zero is hydrating, right. We learned that
Speaker 7: it doesn't overly dehydrate you when you have calfeeden, So yeah,
Speaker 7: I was.
Speaker 3: Healthy, less hydrating, Like like, I have to get thee
Speaker 3: because when I go to a bar, they don't have
Speaker 3: those size containers.
Speaker 2: And that's where you really want it, that's where you
Speaker 2: want it. I want a bigger I want the big drums.
Speaker 2: I bet there's something in Germany. You know, they have
Speaker 2: the boots and stuff something I don't. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but it's just con turning to me as I go
Speaker 2: to movie theaters, like the smallest, like the biggest cup
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. If you get I mean honestly, if
Speaker 2: you get the large, the extra large, they willing it
Speaker 2: it in. I'm like one of those. It's like a
Speaker 2: fifty five gallon drum with a straw. You need a
Speaker 2: palette too, you really roll it in. It's disturbing.
Speaker 3: I don't know why that is with movie theaters, but
Speaker 3: we've uncovered that this morning with us An Jay, we're
Speaker 3: talking about statins this morning, which now you're saying everyone
Speaker 3: listening should be on the status.
Speaker 7: Well, everyone should talk to their doctor about their cholesterol.
Speaker 7: We'll leave it there, but yeah, I mean, do you
Speaker 7: talk about risks and and really it's the muscle thing,
Speaker 7: and then there's a very small chance for if you
Speaker 7: don't have diabetes, of developing new diabetes, but still the
Speaker 7: benefits of it outweigh the risks and that is a
Speaker 7: very very small chance. But when we're talking about side
Speaker 7: effect profiles, those are the main two. That's it is
Speaker 7: the muscle soreness and chance of developing diabetes. Everything else,
Speaker 7: And there's been a lot of noise out there. I mean,
Speaker 7: I listened to the Hubreman podcast about this, and I
Speaker 7: listened to a couple others just to get the other
Speaker 7: takes on on statins, and it's there's a lot of
Speaker 7: overblown stuff cognition and stuff, memory, dementia, those don't seem
Speaker 7: to play out the same amount of risk with statins
Speaker 7: or with placebo. That's for that, that's for wake gain.
Speaker 7: There's a bunch of other stuff, But really what we're
Speaker 7: dealing with here is maybe diabetes and that's a small risk,
Speaker 7: and then the muscle soreness without any severe or severe risk.
Speaker 3: There's side effects with anything that you take, and that
Speaker 3: includes a baby as when there may be a side
Speaker 3: effect to that thing. And it seems to me if
Speaker 3: my cholesterol is high and really elevated or borderline, that
Speaker 3: I want to control that. And you got to weigh
Speaker 3: that yourself is to wear. And I think a lot
Speaker 3: of the stuff you're talking about are from folks that
Speaker 3: not maybe not all of them, but many of them
Speaker 3: are going, I'm just looking for reasons not to go
Speaker 3: to the doctor and get prescribe this right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know you might find a reason. I'll
Speaker 7: tell you I got. I was scared going into my
Speaker 7: lipid profile check of where I was going to be,
Speaker 7: and I was very happy to see it. That being said,
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Speaker 3: HU should at least go once a year. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: very least exactly right. All the best, Thanks Agay Budd,
Speaker 3: appreciate you. We'll do a news update coming up in
Speaker 3: minutes on seven hundred Wow. He's Kevin Werner executive director,
Speaker 3: Will hires and stop executions. Dave yost ag Dave yos
Speaker 3: just issue with his final twenty This will be for
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five report on the death penalty and it's
Speaker 3: jacked up the evidence coming out About maybe twenty percent
Speaker 3: of our cases go to for capital punishment and execution
Speaker 3: wind up being overturned. We haven't had an execution in
Speaker 3: Ohio for seven eight years. None under Mike DeWine, two
Speaker 3: term governor. So if it costs us two to three
Speaker 3: times more per inmates, why are we doing this? Well,
Speaker 3: there's now legislation working its way through Columbus, bipartisan legislation
Speaker 3: that would eliminate capital punishment in Ohio. He makes the
Speaker 3: case next on the Home of the Red seven hundred
Speaker 3: WWT since.
Speaker 4: Nonican, It's Scott clumb Show on seven hundred wow.
Speaker 3: Lot's going on today, including here in the Buckey state,
Speaker 3: where Ohio has executed fifty six people since nineteen eighty one,
Speaker 3: they've exonerated twelve and one group says that so well,
Speaker 3: mass shows you about a twenty percent air rate and
Speaker 3: they're pushing that in the death penalty for good. And
Speaker 3: why this is timely right now is because Attorney General
Speaker 3: Dave Yost issued his final Capital Crimes Annual Report that's
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty five and says Ohio hasn't had an
Speaker 3: execution in seven years. And now there's a bipartisan effort
Speaker 3: in Columbus to end the death penalty in Ohio. On
Speaker 3: that as Kevin and Werner, he's the executive director of OTSE.
Speaker 3: That's ohioans to stop executions. Kevin, welcome back.
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 4: Thanks God him well with you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, first, plush, this is probably you get this question.
Speaker 3: A lot of people think that being against capital punishment
Speaker 3: means you're soft on crime.
Speaker 2: Can both of those things be true?
Speaker 4: Well, it's certainly not true with folks who are serious
Speaker 4: about the concerns around the death penalty. I mean, what
Speaker 4: this really is about is about being smarter on crime
Speaker 4: and understanding that we can have a more efficient system,
Speaker 4: and we can spend a whole lot less money, and
Speaker 4: we can hold dangerous people accountable by not having to
Speaker 4: resort to something that doesn't work, never really has, and
Speaker 4: just just cost taxpayers and arm and a leg. So
Speaker 4: it's about being more intelligent with the resources that we
Speaker 4: have at our disposal.
Speaker 3: I think that's important too, because if you look at
Speaker 3: the cost of this whole thing, it's not even I mean,
Speaker 3: it's laughable how much money we spend on each and
Speaker 3: every one of these cases. The numbers off the top
Speaker 3: of my head escape me, but they're pretty sizable. It's like,
Speaker 3: I want to say, the average capital case is over
Speaker 3: a million dollars. The average life without parroll is about
Speaker 3: half that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, about three million per case is really what is
Speaker 4: really what it is, and then just under a million
Speaker 4: we could probably be the last cost rising the last
Speaker 4: couple of years, you could probably say a million dollars
Speaker 4: for a non capital case. I mean it's Ohio has
Speaker 4: spent billions of dollars on a system that is coming
Speaker 4: frighteningly close to crossing that line where we say past
Speaker 4: as we have executed it is the people. That's kind
Speaker 4: of one of the things that our report showed was
Speaker 4: just how bad the system has gotten. And really, in
Speaker 4: some ways it's far worse than I think anybody realized
Speaker 4: when we look at all of the types of cases
Speaker 4: that touch the death penalty, where it turns out this
Speaker 4: person didn't commit the underlying defense.
Speaker 3: We know about the Road of Nathan case here in
Speaker 3: Blue ash in nineteen ninety four, and this was the
Speaker 3: Elwood Jones exoneration. But you know that that one got
Speaker 3: a lot of publicy. But for someone who is pro
Speaker 3: death penalty, how do you argue against this? So this
Speaker 3: is in Hamilton, Ohio. Right here in Cincinnati. In February
Speaker 3: of two thousand and three, a guy named Ketder murdered
Speaker 3: his former employer an eighty five year old man Laurence
Speaker 3: Sanders at his home in Hamilton, and Ketterer went to
Speaker 3: Sanders home to get some money because he had a
Speaker 3: fine for court costs something in Sanders. He got there
Speaker 3: and Sanders said, look, I don't have the cash. Kedder
Speaker 3: got angry, struck him the head three times with iron
Speaker 3: skillet and then stabbed him, then robbed him and stole
Speaker 3: his car. So Ketdller confessed the police. He pled guilty
Speaker 3: of trial. The DNA testing established a blood on the
Speaker 3: gloves he was wearing on the day of the murder
Speaker 3: match that of mister Sanders. They got him, he admitted
Speaker 3: to it. Why not put him to death?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean I think that even when you have those
Speaker 4: examples of really, I mean, nobody's gonna think that those
Speaker 4: facts are not that bad. I mean, that's an egregious
Speaker 4: that's a terrible case, right, But I think that understanding
Speaker 4: a couple of things in determined how we want to
Speaker 4: go forward. State of Ohio could spend you know, millions
Speaker 4: and millions of dollars trying to chase an execution for
Speaker 4: for mister Ketterer, or it could also make sure that
Speaker 4: law enforcement agencies are fully funded. It could also make
Speaker 4: sure that we have things like conviction integrity units. It
Speaker 4: could also make sure we have things like adequate resources
Speaker 4: for you know, the men and women who were the
Speaker 4: wear the uniform. One thing I do recall about that
Speaker 4: categor case, I am pretty sure I could be wrong,
Speaker 4: but I'm pretty sure he was removed from death row
Speaker 4: because of severe mental illness. That's a whole another ball
Speaker 4: of whack that we are starting to come to grips with,
Speaker 4: and that doesn't excuse what he did. But what it does,
Speaker 4: I think is recognized that we can hold that person accountable.
Speaker 4: We can keep the community safer with a lot fewer
Speaker 4: resources needed on the front end on the trial and
Speaker 4: the incarceration and on the like I said, like chasing
Speaker 4: the actual execution that, by the way, will likely never happen,
Speaker 4: and so we can be a little bit more intelligent
Speaker 4: about how we respond to those kinds of real horrific offenses.
Speaker 4: Nobody thinks that that was, you know, something that should
Speaker 4: be excused or that shouldn't have that person be held accountable.
Speaker 4: The question is how do we do it in the
Speaker 4: way that's going to help the most people. It's going
Speaker 4: to keep the most people safe. And it's going to
Speaker 4: require the least amount of tax dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the problem with that, of course, is you
Speaker 3: will have no shortage of attorneys trying to defend him,
Speaker 3: which prolongs the case, which adds to the extreme cost.
Speaker 3: And this is why someone who admits to a murder,
Speaker 3: and let's say, let's take the mental component out of
Speaker 3: it for a second, because there's plenty of examples you
Speaker 3: could say where yeah, they caught them red handed, they've
Speaker 3: confessed to it, okay, and who want to be executed
Speaker 3: and they still you know, takes twenty years. That's the problem.
Speaker 3: Takes twenty years. And I think that's the frustration for
Speaker 3: folks who are pro death penalty, is that, well, if
Speaker 3: you have someone who confesses to it, they caught him
Speaker 3: red handed, they got the guy. It seems like it
Speaker 3: should be a pretty quick process, because it used to
Speaker 3: be you'd do this and within a couple of months,
Speaker 3: you know, you'd face the hangman's news, so to speak.
Speaker 2: Or and now it's twenty thirty years or more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's something is interesting that I that
Speaker 4: we came across as we kind of delved into so
Speaker 4: many of these of these cases they're documented cases. Now
Speaker 4: we wrote about them in our report. Where there's a confession,
Speaker 4: there's a confession, and part of part of what led
Speaker 4: that person to death row was you know, this confession.
Speaker 4: And then we learned a little bit more about, well
Speaker 4: how was that confession obtained? And it turns out in
Speaker 4: a couple of cases where there is this you know, confession,
Speaker 4: that it was coerced or it was a situation where
Speaker 4: two guys were involved and the you know, the prosecutor says, hey,
Speaker 4: you know, we'll give you lesser charge if you cooperate
Speaker 4: with us and tell us what this other person did
Speaker 4: over here. And those are often the cases where the
Speaker 4: person who's who's getting the plea deal, who's getting the
Speaker 4: you know uh in exchange for testimony, really is more culpable.
Speaker 4: And so just because we could say, ah, you know,
Speaker 4: we've got a confession over here, you know, the rock
Speaker 4: solid case, well, Scott, they're all supposedly rock solid cases,
Speaker 4: and yet here we are twelve death rogues and houneries.
Speaker 4: We found twelve other cases where the state tried to
Speaker 4: get to death penalty. There was a life sentence of
Speaker 4: some time, but it was a death penalty trial and
Speaker 4: those other twelve cases led to a conviction and then
Speaker 4: decades later those people being exonerated. So the wrongful conviction
Speaker 4: problem in Ohio is actually be far worse than what
Speaker 4: anybody realizes. But just because the prosecutor may say, ah,
Speaker 4: this is a really strong case, will they say that
Speaker 4: about every deathenalty? Right? And so again, like the system
Speaker 4: is making mistakes at an alarming rate, and so you
Speaker 4: know the better policy is just to walk away from
Speaker 4: it and spend ohigh taxpayer dollars in a more efficient
Speaker 4: and a smarter way.
Speaker 3: Well, is the inverse true, then, Kevin Werner, Executive Director
Speaker 3: of Ohio and stop executions in that there are people
Speaker 3: who are murders and they wound up being freed. And
Speaker 3: because people really believe that, And it wasn't about the
Speaker 3: the case necessario, it was about the fight over the
Speaker 3: death penalty. That I'm not saying you are. But the
Speaker 3: people think everyone who is a criminal is innocent. I
Speaker 3: think we have elected officials in Cincinnati to believe that somehow,
Speaker 3: the and judges that think criminals are victims somehow. I
Speaker 3: suppose everyone is messed up. That is the nature of society.
Speaker 3: But when it rises to the level of a felony
Speaker 3: or a serious crime. It's a different story in my book.
Speaker 3: But is a case where maybe that you know, the
Speaker 3: Innocence Project, God Bless them, or another group like that,
Speaker 3: we're able to free someone who actually did it. I
Speaker 3: think that's possible too, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Well. I think that that would be a really outside
Speaker 4: of the mainstream of vul conviction.
Speaker 3: A lot of people think Elwood Jones, Elwood Jones. A
Speaker 3: lot of people think Elwood Jones did it and he
Speaker 3: got off.
Speaker 4: Well. I mean, we could talk about Elwood Jones. But
Speaker 4: you know, here's what we find when we see people
Speaker 4: who are wrongfully convicted and freed. The reasons that it
Speaker 4: happens is number one, first and foremost, it's misconduct on
Speaker 4: the part of investigators or prosecutors. That is the driver.
Speaker 4: We see perjury or false accusation. We see false or
Speaker 4: misleading forensic evidence, we see mistaken eyewitness identification, we see
Speaker 4: false confessions, as I said, and we see inadequate legal counsel.
Speaker 4: Those are the reasons that lead people to be exonerated.
Speaker 4: I really don't think. I think with all of the
Speaker 4: failed states, if you will, in the system, I think
Speaker 4: it's much harder for someone who you know, quote unquote,
Speaker 4: you know really may have, really may be culpable to
Speaker 4: kind of get you know, some technicality. Ellwood Jones, you know,
Speaker 4: I was talking to him on the phone the other
Speaker 4: day and he said something remarkable to me. We were
Speaker 4: talking about how I guess it was yesterday with the
Speaker 4: Attorney General sort of saying, uh, you know, oh, we
Speaker 4: haven't had the executions. My entire time at DAG is
Speaker 4: almost like a regret. When should I? He said, he said,
Speaker 4: when should I have been executed? When would have been
Speaker 4: convenient for the Attorney General for me to be executed
Speaker 4: for something that I didn't do? And it's it's astonishing
Speaker 4: that our system right now, and people like Dave Yos
Speaker 4: and people like the legislators who are pushing for execution
Speaker 4: seem to care more about revving up this machine than
Speaker 4: they do about making sure that we have the right person.
Speaker 4: When you Scott, when you withhold four thousand pages of documents,
Speaker 4: some of which show UH are exculpatory for Elwood Jones,
Speaker 4: some show alternative suspects, that's not a technicality, that is
Speaker 4: prosecutoral misconduct. And you know, people can think what they want,
Speaker 4: but as a pretty alarming case when it comes to
Speaker 4: you know, right there in Cincinnati, in the backyard Hamilton County,
Speaker 4: I mean, that is egregious, and you know, with shocking
Speaker 4: we came across other cases where Hamilton County cases. There's
Speaker 4: a Jeffrey Wogan Stall case that after discovery happened in
Speaker 4: a federal court like twenty years later, a shocking amount
Speaker 4: of evidence was withheld that tends to point to other people.
Speaker 4: You know, we styled this report that we just released
Speaker 4: into basically five different categories, and Hamilton County has cases
Speaker 4: in every four of those five categories. So again, like
Speaker 4: I understand, people may have concervatives they I don't know
Speaker 4: about this shiit of that case, but the systemic, widespread
Speaker 4: problem shows that there is a huge problem with wrongful conviction.
Speaker 4: I don't believe that every single one of these has
Speaker 4: like you know, prosecutor has this like bad intent. I
Speaker 4: think they get tunnel vision. I think they form a theory.
Speaker 4: I think they tend to follow evans that kind of
Speaker 4: supports their theory. But in the wake of that, we've
Speaker 4: got a huge mess with lots of people incarcerated for
Speaker 4: things they didn't do.
Speaker 3: Kevin Werner's here executive director him to stop executions. Dave
Speaker 3: Yost with his final because he's going to turn out
Speaker 3: as ag Capital Crimes Report and says, we have an
Speaker 3: execution at seven years almost eight. And now there's there's
Speaker 3: actually a bipartisan effort Columbus to end this thing, the
Speaker 3: death penalty. And I'm for ending it simply because it's
Speaker 3: a tremendous waste of resources and money, and there's SERTs,
Speaker 3: an equity issue and an issue of fairness, but primarily
Speaker 3: it's like, we're not executing anyone, so why have it
Speaker 3: on the books? Also, you kind of talked about prosecutorial
Speaker 3: misconduct there. Brady violations were present in eleven or twelve
Speaker 3: exoneration case eleven of the twelve cases, have any of
Speaker 3: those prosecutors faced dispirement or criminal charges or any consequences
Speaker 3: for that? And if the answer is no, does how
Speaker 3: does the system correct itself?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: The short answer is no.
Speaker 4: The longer answer I think is, you know, there may
Speaker 4: be some internal sanctions that Hamilton County prosecutor may hold,
Speaker 4: uh some kind of like you know, probation for some
Speaker 4: period of time, but there's no real tee uh, to
Speaker 4: to accountability for prosecutors that that you know, engage in
Speaker 4: these kind of Brady violations. And you know, when you
Speaker 4: look across the state and you see, you know, a
Speaker 4: case in Cuyahoga County and then another one in Kyaho
Speaker 4: County and another one in Cyahoga County, the same people,
Speaker 4: it's the same assistant prosecutors. It's the same individuals who
Speaker 4: are not held accountable, who continue to sort of repeat
Speaker 4: these you know errors, and you know, in a very
Speaker 4: shocking way. I was rereading some stuff from some trial
Speaker 4: trial that Mark Pete Meyer, who's an assistant county prosecutor,
Speaker 4: was an assist county prosecutor home the county said during
Speaker 4: I think it was a deposition that you know, they
Speaker 4: didn't really get any training on on Brady material. Didn't
Speaker 4: really they weren't really told how to uh, you know,
Speaker 4: hand over exculpatory evidence, right, And that is just mind blowing.
Speaker 4: And then in another part another case on a trial,
Speaker 4: you know, he had said something like, well they had
Speaker 4: a very narrow interpretation of Brady got there's no narrow
Speaker 4: interpretation of I mean it is you turnover exculpatory and
Speaker 4: you turn over and teaching evidence period. It's not like, well,
Speaker 4: we're going to do it in these circumstances, but not
Speaker 4: those over here, and well when we have certain factors.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is why these things continue to occur
Speaker 4: is because the folks who who make the mistakes are
Speaker 4: not how the count.
Speaker 2: And people hear this the Brady rules.
Speaker 3: Basically, it means the prosecutors failed to disclose material or
Speaker 3: evidence exculpatory evidence meaning innocence proving or impeachment, which is
Speaker 3: a credibility issue when they don't have that over to
Speaker 3: the defense. Your report calls Ohio's air rate about twenty percent,
Speaker 3: that's one for every five executions. But the Attorney General's
Speaker 3: Final Crime Report says that Ohio has no known instance
Speaker 3: of executing an instant persons.
Speaker 2: Who's right and how do you respond to that claim?
Speaker 4: Well, I think, first of all, Dave and the attorney
Speaker 4: that has to have that line, he has to say,
Speaker 4: we've never executed an innocent person. I think Lou Tobin,
Speaker 4: the Prosecuting Attorney Association ed yesterday said that our report
Speaker 4: didn't even look at the current cases. But there are
Speaker 4: nine of them, right, So I think these guys are
Speaker 4: towing the company mine. I think they're saying the things
Speaker 4: that they have to say, because guess what, when you
Speaker 4: start uncovering and start acknowledging the wrongful conviction problem that
Speaker 4: you have and you're, you know, sort of a state actor,
Speaker 4: you have to take corrective measures.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: You're going to face lawsuits, You're going to face all
Speaker 4: kinds of compensation award claims, and so they have to
Speaker 4: say what they're saying. You know, you can't see a
Speaker 4: serious person who really wants to get this system right,
Speaker 4: who really wants to make sure it's working, and say
Speaker 4: some of those things. Ten more than ten years ago,
Speaker 4: recommendations were made to clean up Ohio's death pony system,
Speaker 4: and guess what, none of them were put in place.
Speaker 2: Do you think this time this time?
Speaker 3: Do you think that this time final question for you, Kevin,
Speaker 3: that there's a bill right now, it's bipartisan of all
Speaker 3: things in Columbus to question the issue whether or not
Speaker 3: we should end the death pound. I mean, we haven't
Speaker 3: had it in years here, it's going to be seven
Speaker 3: eight years at this point too. Dowine hasn't had one
Speaker 3: in his term. It feels like it's kind of useless,
Speaker 3: it's stupid. Because we're not doing it. It's hard to
Speaker 3: get the cocktails in order to do it. It seems
Speaker 3: like the easiest path here is just that is given
Speaker 3: up and going listen to the advocates against this stuff
Speaker 3: win because it's costing us way more money than it should.
Speaker 3: And I think ultimately the people who pay the biggest
Speaker 3: price are the victims family is that there's no justice
Speaker 3: for them. You know, when you're sitting around and Okay,
Speaker 3: you've been sentenced to death, great, well it's going to
Speaker 3: take You're going to die of natural causes on death row,
Speaker 3: which is much better than being in general population. You
Speaker 3: treated much better than you are in general population. And
Speaker 3: so it feels like they're getting almost a prison reward,
Speaker 3: if you know. Yeah, they're locked up, but it's a
Speaker 3: better quality of life because you want some element of
Speaker 3: suffering there. If you're a victim of a family member,
Speaker 3: the victim, the person who's murdered, they're not getting their
Speaker 3: justice either. To me, it seems like that this thing
Speaker 3: should go through and be passed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, really, what we have is we have
Speaker 4: a system that doesn't work. We've had this for forty
Speaker 4: five years, and you know, the data points are in.
Speaker 4: It's most harmful to victim family members who were told
Speaker 4: again and again and again, we're going to get justice,
Speaker 4: we're going to get justice, and then of course that
Speaker 4: fact never occurs. Costs so much money. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: the right thing to do is to recognize that it
Speaker 4: doesn't work. To end the death penalty system once and
Speaker 4: for all, like that is the smart thing to do.
Speaker 4: There's most I think legislators that you talk to today
Speaker 4: understand that, and most people are there. The public is
Speaker 4: certainly already there. We have polling going back, you know,
Speaker 4: six seven years that shows the public is more than
Speaker 4: fifty percent ready to walk away from the death penal system.
Speaker 4: But there's a couple of holdouts who just who just
Speaker 4: can't wrap their minds around.
Speaker 3: I think, and I think it's going to change. You know,
Speaker 3: you get younger people, and I think that's going to
Speaker 3: be it anyway. Kevin Warner's the executive director of High
Speaker 3: wants to stop executions. The news of Devio's final capital
Speaker 3: Crimes report. Thanks again for the time, all the best,
Speaker 3: Thank you, Scott, appreciate it. We got to get news
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Speaker 3: seven hundred w Alba. Take a look at your watch.
Speaker 3: It's real Estate Time with Michelle Sloan rematch time Agent
Speaker 3: extraordinaire from Sloan saleshomes dot Com. Now pay attention, then
Speaker 3: take notes. There might be a pop quiz at the
Speaker 3: end on seven hundred. Jobad, Good morning, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Dear?
Speaker 8: Hello?
Speaker 5: Happy Thursday, Happy Thursday. Going into Easter weekend? Now?
Speaker 3: No, yeah, well you got your Easter hat, your new
Speaker 3: Easter outfit. I hid the eggs in the yard before you.
Speaker 3: I should be pretty happy.
Speaker 4: Is yeah.
Speaker 8: I don't think I have enough chocolate in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, she wants she wants eggs full of hundreds
Speaker 2: and diamonds? Is what you want? Anyway?
Speaker 3: The Easter Bunny says, you know you We've been together
Speaker 3: for four hundred years and the thing one thing I
Speaker 3: love about my job is that every day I learned
Speaker 3: something new. And that's true with anything that there's something
Speaker 3: about I don't know learning something. My goal wants is
Speaker 3: to learn something I didn't know before. I enjoyed doing that,
Speaker 3: and yesterday I learned something about my wife in the
Speaker 3: three hundre year four in new years of marriage with
Speaker 3: it is that so she's she's got this thing on
Speaker 3: her wrist and she wants to.
Speaker 2: Cut it off. Not not a skin tag or anything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: It was a bracelet and she's trying to cut it
Speaker 3: in the kitchen and she's got the kitchen cheers out
Speaker 3: and she's gnawing at the single Why aren't these scissors cut?
Speaker 3: And it's the bracelets on her right hand and she's
Speaker 3: using her left hand. I said, well, Michelle, those are
Speaker 3: left they're not left handed scissors or right handed scissors.
Speaker 2: And you looked at me and said, you know what,
Speaker 2: you are so full of crap.
Speaker 3: I'm so I'm so used to you lying to me
Speaker 3: and all the time about stuff that I don't believe
Speaker 3: there's sight. How have you lived this long and not
Speaker 3: known there's left handed and right handed scissors?
Speaker 5: Actually, I still don't believe you. I didn't look it up,
Speaker 5: but you swear it's real.
Speaker 2: It's real.
Speaker 5: It was a April Fool's joke or something, because you know,
Speaker 5: it's it's was one of those wristbands that you get
Speaker 5: when you go to a club.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're at the club, that is what we were.
Speaker 2: And then shots were fired so we left.
Speaker 5: But but I was trying to get this dumb thing
Speaker 5: off and you usually just like yank it off, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't want to do that. So I
Speaker 5: got the scissors out and I'm trying to cut it
Speaker 5: with the scissors and it wasn't cutting. Yeah, And then
Speaker 5: you told me there's such thing as a left and
Speaker 5: a right hand, because they're using your left hand to
Speaker 5: use the scissors and it's not working. I said, well,
Speaker 5: that's because they're bright handed scissors, and you said that
Speaker 5: you're so full of crap.
Speaker 8: I don't think that's real.
Speaker 2: Well, no, because the blade.
Speaker 3: I don't know the intercase of it, but because the blade,
Speaker 3: and you know, there's the sharp part and the not
Speaker 3: sharp part. And the problem is that for left handed
Speaker 3: scissors it's the opposite that the blade's not on top,
Speaker 3: so you can't do it.
Speaker 8: Here's the thing.
Speaker 5: I really didn't care about it enough. I think you're
Speaker 5: full of it to actually look it up at the time.
Speaker 5: And there are people probably that are looking it up
Speaker 5: right now, or maybe they know this as a thing.
Speaker 3: You don't remember that from like I remember that, Like
Speaker 3: I haven't used a long time, but I remember that
Speaker 3: in grade school that there would be for the left
Speaker 3: handed kids. There would be left handed scissors, and then
Speaker 3: they'd have a different Yeah, they'd have a different colored
Speaker 3: handle and art class or I guess what's at the handle.
Speaker 3: I get the grit where the grips are, and like
Speaker 3: the green ones I don't know would be left and
Speaker 3: then the red ones would be right. And then we'd
Speaker 3: make fun of the kids who with the left hand
Speaker 3: like that some sort of disability or like like they're different,
Speaker 3: they're mutants or something like that.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, back in the day, you do that stuff.
Speaker 3: And now I'm sure there's groups for your left handed
Speaker 3: people and left handed equity and diversity and inclusion for lefties,
Speaker 3: and like, I don't know, you people are freaks. You know,
Speaker 3: when you're a kid, you're you're looking at you're looking
Speaker 3: to ostracize people. At that age, your whole your whole
Speaker 3: job as a kid is to try to single out
Speaker 3: eat individual and just just beat the living snout of
Speaker 3: their self esteem. That's childhood childhood's about and so I
Speaker 3: still remember that from grade school, and I got a
Speaker 3: lot of problems being the fat, curly haired kid.
Speaker 2: Is like, at least I'm not left handed, you did
Speaker 2: have troubles.
Speaker 3: I don't have glasses and I'm not left handed, so
Speaker 3: I'm not a four eyes and I'm not a lefty.
Speaker 2: So there you go. Anyway, my wife had said.
Speaker 3: You're you, and you know, here's the thing about you
Speaker 3: is you'll go to your grave disbelieving left and right
Speaker 3: handed scissors, and you'll you'll die in that hill speak
Speaker 3: instead of just going to your phone and looking it
Speaker 3: up to see if it's true.
Speaker 8: I didn't care that much and I still don't because.
Speaker 3: I'll bring it up in the future and you'll go, no,
Speaker 3: there's no such thing, and you would rather sound ignorant
Speaker 3: than find.
Speaker 2: Out the facts.
Speaker 8: Absolutely not.
Speaker 2: Okay, well right, that's where our relationship.
Speaker 5: Works before I get home today. But right now, I'm
Speaker 5: I'm not concentrating on the left and the right handed.
Speaker 2: I never Well, that's you know what I asked for
Speaker 2: you when I ask.
Speaker 8: If I'm trying to use my left handed Okay.
Speaker 3: I said, because that's why, Well, why do you think
Speaker 3: it didn't work, did you suddenly, after all these years,
Speaker 3: forget how to use scissors.
Speaker 8: The scissors are sharp, you think that they're sharp both ways.
Speaker 3: That makes that means their left handed scissors. If you usual,
Speaker 3: you're right, it would have worked. The other thing is
Speaker 3: I've cut wrist prices like you before it, and I
Speaker 3: come at you. I get the big butcher's knife out,
Speaker 3: and then you look at the chef's tenant chef's knife,
Speaker 3: and you go, you're gonna cut my wrist off. I've
Speaker 3: never cut your wrist off, but it's just slicing. Let's
Speaker 3: go now, I'm might. And there she is with the scissors,
Speaker 3: trying to left handed Candy dufrayin trying to tunnels.
Speaker 5: Sot reverse blades with the top blade on the left,
Speaker 5: allowing lefties to see their cutting line, enabling natural, comfortable
Speaker 5: motion without fighting the tool. These scissors prevent hand fatigue
Speaker 5: blah blah blah to sign and benefit key aspects to
Speaker 5: left handed scissors, unlike oh my gosh, unlike.
Speaker 8: Right handed scissors where the left blade is on two.
Speaker 8: All right, you were right, What did you say?
Speaker 2: Let me hold on? So let me turn your mic
Speaker 2: couple of more, go ahead, three two one go.
Speaker 1: You were right.
Speaker 8: You were right, Scott Sloan, you were right.
Speaker 2: A man needs to hear.
Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, it took us five minutes for us
Speaker 8: to be arguing.
Speaker 3: The only reason people listen to the segment, the only reason.
Speaker 3: I don't know why the ratings are so good for
Speaker 3: it either.
Speaker 4: Who is wrong?
Speaker 2: I don't know. People love this when we fight like
Speaker 2: this and go my husband, I do that too, We
Speaker 2: just don't talk about it on a radio station.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 8: So there's a such thing as a left handed scissors son.
Speaker 2: Well, i'll love a go.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like your dad said when I asked your
Speaker 3: dad for your hand in marriage before I did the
Speaker 3: right thing, asked your dad and he said, well, I
Speaker 3: think that's a good idea. He said, why, he goes,
Speaker 3: We'll never marry anyone smarter than you anyway.
Speaker 8: Okay he never said that, what your dad.
Speaker 2: That's what your dad told me.
Speaker 8: Okay, well, you're gonna OutKick your coverage. Son, You'll never
Speaker 8: make it. I think they he'd say that, you guys.
Speaker 2: Will never make it. Never.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Here we are why because we're both stubborn. That's why
Speaker 3: we're not gonna let it go. We're just not gonna
Speaker 3: let it go. Oh no, we love each other tremendously
Speaker 3: and you can because you know, we can joke about
Speaker 3: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: All right, let's what's the topic today here?
Speaker 8: Okay.
Speaker 5: Second number one question people ask me about real estate
Speaker 5: is how's the market. Well I'll answer that really quickly
Speaker 5: right now, is how's the market? The mortgage rates are
Speaker 5: up to six and a half percent. We were at
Speaker 5: six percent. Now we've had all this turmoil in the
Speaker 5: country and in the world, so rates are bumping up
Speaker 5: a little bit.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 5: So that's the most common question. But the question that
Speaker 5: most people don't ask is can I stay in my
Speaker 5: home too long? What is the cost of doing nothing
Speaker 5: and just living in my home? And there are I
Speaker 5: love this twist on in my world, the age old
Speaker 5: question how's the market? Or is this a good time
Speaker 5: to buy or sell? And if you're not asking that question,
Speaker 5: maybe you're just saying I'm just going to say where
Speaker 5: I am because it's fine, it's just fine. But that's
Speaker 5: costing you money. And so that's what we're going to
Speaker 5: talk about today. I've got like five points to make
Speaker 5: if we have time. After our right and left handed discussion.
Speaker 5: A Number one the equity in your home. Staying put
Speaker 5: might be actually tying up a lot of wealth that
Speaker 5: you could be using. So so many people right now
Speaker 5: are sitting on thousands and thousands of dollars worth of equity,
Speaker 5: and you could be using that money to eliminate debt,
Speaker 5: upgrading your home, doing taking vacations, reinvesting in other things,
Speaker 5: or reinvesting in a home that actually fits your needs
Speaker 5: better than your current home. So living in your home
Speaker 5: for a long time, and even if you have it
Speaker 5: paid off, you're sitting on amount of money. And if
Speaker 5: that's fine and you like and that gives you peace
Speaker 5: of mind, great, but it is it's you're not utilizing
Speaker 5: that resource like you could.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you're your own bank. That's the way
Speaker 2: to look at.
Speaker 8: It, exactly exactly.
Speaker 5: The number two item on the list today of the
Speaker 5: hidden cost of staying in your home too long is
Speaker 5: maintenance creep, because older houses will cost you more money
Speaker 5: in repairs. The roof, the HVAC, of the appliance is
Speaker 5: all stack up. Usually when one thing goes, they all go.
Speaker 5: If you have a home that's let's say twenty years old,
Speaker 5: twenty years is that time frame where things.
Speaker 8: Start to go like boom boom boom boom boom.
Speaker 5: So the longer you wait, the more your house starts
Speaker 5: to make financial decisions for you, because you're if you
Speaker 5: don't upgrade those items that are starting to fail, if
Speaker 5: you're not upgrading your windows, if you're not upgrading your HVAC.
Speaker 5: The longer you wait, the more it's going to cost.
Speaker 5: So you know, maintenance creep is a big deal.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know if you're handy, yeah, why you know,
Speaker 3: it's you know, you can buy a house a little
Speaker 3: cheaper and do the repairs yourself, which we do.
Speaker 2: So that's a different thing. What's number three?
Speaker 5: Number three is a lifestylee mismatch, meaning you know, this
Speaker 5: past summer we moved out of our house that we
Speaker 5: lived in for twenty years.
Speaker 2: Yes, well evicted, not moved, but yeah, we did not
Speaker 2: get evicted. Oh my sheriff came. It was a whole thing.
Speaker 5: Now. We we moved out and we actually did the
Speaker 5: right sizing for our lifestyle.
Speaker 8: We moved into a ranch for old people, so that
Speaker 8: my knees done.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 8: But the kids moved out and we had too much space.
Speaker 5: We didn't need the traditional two story for bedroom, two
Speaker 5: and a half bath home.
Speaker 8: You know, we just didn't need it for our family.
Speaker 5: And now there's a nice family living in that home
Speaker 5: with their two kids, grandma and everybody else.
Speaker 3: The whole thing, the whole well too is you watch
Speaker 3: you know, your you raise your kids in their house,
Speaker 3: and it's that's the hard part, is this kid, because
Speaker 3: there's so many memories there. But you realize, like, hey,
Speaker 3: you know what when we moved in, there was a
Speaker 3: couple older couples, Oh, the nice older couple down the
Speaker 3: Streeter store, you know, a couple of elderly folks there too.
Speaker 3: And then you know, after so many years, you're like,
Speaker 3: holy crap, I became that guy. And you look at
Speaker 3: it going your young family's around and it's you know,
Speaker 3: time to time to turn it over.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So that's that's just it's the cycle of life, correct,
Speaker 8: the cycle of life.
Speaker 2: Very good.
Speaker 5: Hidden cost of staying in your home too long. Number
Speaker 5: four rising property taxes and insurance. You know, even if
Speaker 5: your mortgage is lower, it's paid off, these costs will
Speaker 5: obviously continue to climb. You're not going to be able
Speaker 5: to get rid of those costs. But maybe you can
Speaker 5: find a new place to live that maybe they're a
Speaker 5: little bit lower. It's interesting how much you know a
Speaker 5: cost of the home when you build in insurance and taxes.
Speaker 5: It's like it's like a mortgage payment in and of itself.
Speaker 5: So you want to look at those factors, and if
Speaker 5: you're in your home for a long time, you don't
Speaker 5: look at them because the incremental creep. I'm talking about
Speaker 5: lots of creeps today, Scott.
Speaker 3: What you're talking about me, Yeah, the incremental creep as
Speaker 3: I've known it around the household.
Speaker 8: That's right, incremental creep.
Speaker 5: And then you are other if also, if you're looking
Speaker 5: at opportunities and you've been living in your home and
Speaker 5: you're thinking, eh, it's fine, I'll just stay here because
Speaker 5: it's cheaper to stay where I'm at, But you are
Speaker 5: missing some marketing windows, meaning some perfect timing.
Speaker 8: You can never time the market one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: And right now we're in a kind of a weird
Speaker 5: market zone where some homes that are new to the
Speaker 5: market are selling really really quickly.
Speaker 8: If you have a ranch home to.
Speaker 5: Sell, I'm going to tell you please call me, because
Speaker 5: I have three buyers right now looking for a ranch
Speaker 5: home to purchase, but they're looking for a ranch home
Speaker 5: that's not six thousand square feet. They're looking for a
Speaker 5: just a moderate ranch home that's maybe two thousand square feet. So,
Speaker 5: you know, the whole thing is as we move along
Speaker 5: and being in the business for twenty years, the whole
Speaker 5: point of and this is where we got caught when
Speaker 5: the more trades were so darn low. Everybody just stood
Speaker 5: still for so long. The average time that we live
Speaker 5: in our home. When I first got in the business,
Speaker 5: it was five years, then it was seven years, and
Speaker 5: now the average time you live in your home is
Speaker 5: ten years. I actually think in Cincinnati it's probably longer
Speaker 5: than that because we just tend to stay in our
Speaker 5: home and we're happy. And especially if you live on
Speaker 5: the West Side, you've lived in your home for fifty
Speaker 5: years or it's been passed down from generation to generation.
Speaker 5: And that's fine, as long as you understand that there
Speaker 5: are some opportunities that you might be missing when it
Speaker 5: comes to your home. Okay, that is all right. So yeah,
Speaker 5: now's a good time. It's spring, it's now. Now's a
Speaker 5: good time to.
Speaker 8: Say, Okay, should I stay or should I go?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 5: You know, should I stay or should I sell, do
Speaker 5: a little checkup, call a real estate agent.
Speaker 8: That's what I do.
Speaker 5: And you don't have to call a real estate agent
Speaker 5: just because you're selling. You can call someone like myself
Speaker 5: and just say, hey, listen, I'm thinking about selling. I
Speaker 5: don't know if it's the right time. I don't know
Speaker 5: if I'm ready, but I just want somebody to talk to.
Speaker 5: And you know what, that's what I do every day.
Speaker 5: And people are afraid to call and say, oh, I
Speaker 5: don't want to bother you. Well it's okay, because please
Speaker 5: bother her. She quite honestly keeps your occupied. My wife,
Speaker 5: Michelle Sloan. Sloan sells homes dot com, open House show
Speaker 5: That's me, the iHeartRadio app and of course the show
Speaker 5: on YouTube as well. She jumps in Thursdays, and as
Speaker 5: the interest said, she cuts through the real estate jungle.
Speaker 5: The problem is is why she's been at twenty years.
Speaker 5: She's been using left handed scissors. That's why it's taken
Speaker 5: her twenty years to cut through the real estate jungle.
Speaker 4: Is the real thing.
Speaker 8: That's a thing.
Speaker 2: How about that? You were right? Just you know, just
Speaker 2: like the wedding mouse said, Obey, gosh, I'm going to make.
Speaker 8: It four hundred and fifty one years.
Speaker 2: Love it once in a while. You're right, and I
Speaker 2: like to hear it.
Speaker 4: And I got it.
Speaker 2: I got the cut. There's a cut. I got the cut.
Speaker 2: Thank you, all right, love you, gotta go see you later.
Speaker 3: We got a whole week to come up on material
Speaker 3: for next week's fight, any I love her so anyway,
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