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Speaker 1: Listen on the free iHeartRadio app for all your music

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Speaker 2: If you are a Steelers fan who is hoping to

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Speaker 2: get a pick me up on Sunday and feel better

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Speaker 2: about the state of the team after Thursdays letdown against Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: it didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: The Packers won in Arizona.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers get to play them next green Bay four

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Speaker 2: to one and one their first place in the NFC North.

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Speaker 2: They got three sacks out of Micah Parsons this week

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Speaker 2: and six overall.

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Speaker 4: The Colts beat.

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Speaker 2: The Los Angeles Chargers thirty eight twenty four. Those the

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Speaker 2: next two teams after green Bay that the Steelers have

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Speaker 2: to face the two qbs. In that game, Justin Herbert

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Speaker 2: and Daniel Jones combined for seven hundred and eight passing yards,

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Speaker 2: five tds, two interceptions. Both had passer ratings of ninety

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Speaker 2: three and one thirteen, respectively. Furthermore, coming back Jonathan Taylor

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Speaker 2: had ninety four rushing yards and three touchdowns for Indy,

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Speaker 2: and three different receivers had between fifty and ninety eight

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Speaker 2: receiving yards. Meanwhile, Keenan Allen had one hundred nineteen yards

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Speaker 2: receiving Aronde Gadson Junior had won sixty four. Those are

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Speaker 2: third and fourth options for Justin Herbert, to say nothing

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Speaker 2: of Quinton Johnson and Lad mcconkee. And remember, this is

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Speaker 2: the same defense that just got skewered by Joe Flacco

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Speaker 2: and made Justin Fields look like he was going to

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Speaker 2: be the best Jets quarterback since Joe Namath back in

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Speaker 2: Week one. Instead, since that game, Fields has looked more

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Speaker 2: like Mark Sanchez. After a late night in Indianapolis, he

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Speaker 2: got bench yesterday. Kenny Pickett played and fumbled his first

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Speaker 2: snap for the Raiders. George Pickens made two catches for

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Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys, the likes of which Cowboys fans haven't

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Speaker 2: seen since Lynn Swan over Mark Washington in Super Bowl ten.

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Speaker 2: But hey have Roman Wilson, so I'm sure they'll be

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Speaker 2: just fine at wide receiver number two. Besides DK Metcalf,

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Speaker 2: I'm Tim Benson for Mark Madden. Mark is back tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: And I had an epiphany about the Steelers game at

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Speaker 2: Akroscher Stadium Sunday night. It's not gonna be a popular one,

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Speaker 2: but here goes, I don't give a flying fig about

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 3: Sunday Night Football was already pumping it.

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Speaker 2: Up, as they should for their purposes on NBC last

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Speaker 2: night during the Atlanta San Francisco game. I've heard sports

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Speaker 2: talk radio already pumping that well today and I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I just can't get into it.

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Speaker 2: And part of the reason is it's here, it's not

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Speaker 3: That takes away some of the starts. In fact, I think.

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Speaker 2: It's a rare angle that may work against the Steelers,

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Speaker 2: if anything, in this game, because I actually think the

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Speaker 2: Steelers are gonna win this one.

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Speaker 3: I will tell you why in just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: But Rodgers has been excellent playing within him so far

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Speaker 2: as the Steelers QB. He has pretty much already admitted

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Speaker 2: that this game against the Packers is likely to mean

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Speaker 2: more to him than the Jets game did. So does

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Speaker 2: that emotional component get him off his even keel that

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Speaker 2: he's been on all season? And does that make this

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Speaker 2: emotional mental ability that he's had to avoid mistakes he's

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Speaker 2: largely avoided having those pitfalls. Is that Conna blow up

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Speaker 2: in his face going against the Packers. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but largely I think the Steelers flushed the opportunity of

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Speaker 2: playing the way that they did Thursday night. Losing to

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati doesn't allow that storyline to be front and center.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers defense has stolen the spotlight for all the

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Speaker 2: wrong reasons. We'll get more into that with Tommy Radio

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Speaker 2: in just a second. But the Penguins won a game

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Speaker 2: two over the weekend. We should talk about that as well.

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Speaker 2: Tristan Jari and the Pens shut out Alex Nadelkovich and

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Speaker 2: the Sharks in San Jose three to nothing. I'll say

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Speaker 2: this though Alex Nadalkovich battled. He always battles. He battled

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Speaker 2: to that three nothing shut out. What a battler. But

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Speaker 2: he lost the battle. The Penguins won, and therefore and

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Speaker 2: two off, getting Malkin up to seven assists. I'll get

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Speaker 2: into that discussion with Brian Metzer the Penguins radio network.

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Speaker 2: At five thirty Penn State lost again. That seems right.

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Speaker 2: That was just a few hours after James Franklin went

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Speaker 2: while he was on the air with College Game Day

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Speaker 2: at Beaver Stadium.

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Speaker 3: The Dodgers are in the World Series. That's not a surprise.

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Speaker 2: Toronto and Milwaukee, excuse me, Toronto and Seattle are playing

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Speaker 2: We'll see how that goes. I'm actually surprised that Major

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Speaker 2: League Baseball isn't found a way yet to clone Showy

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Speaker 2: Aatani and give one version of him to each team

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Speaker 2: so people watchually watch the game. He was unbelievable with

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Speaker 2: that six inning, ten strikeout, three home run performance. That

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Speaker 2: still has the baseball world buzzing, and it still should

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Speaker 2: have all the sports world buzzing as well. Let's bring

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Speaker 2: in Tommy Radio right now. Tom are you like me

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Speaker 2: and looking at the Green Bay Steelers game and thinking

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Speaker 2: that the most obvious storyline of Rogers versus his former

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Speaker 2: badly the Steelers themselves played against Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: I do like the storyline more than you do. Tim

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Speaker 4: but you're right now, this takes on more of a

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Speaker 4: Steelers better win this game exact. Things could get out

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Speaker 4: of control real quickly if you lose this one to

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Speaker 4: Green Bay feel to it, and the defense doesn't really

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Speaker 4: so good offense coming into Akrosher Stadium. That's what's front

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Speaker 4: and center now. And I think you were spot on

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Speaker 4: when you said it. Not being in Lambeau changes things

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Speaker 4: a bit. Him going to Lambeau would be a lot

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Speaker 2: Do you worry about Rogers getting too into this and

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Speaker 2: having a rare game where he might actually play outside

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Speaker 2: of himself because I think he's been quite good at

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I think he might be self aware

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Speaker 4: enough to see that he's playing really well, playing within himself,

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Speaker 4: and then that could translate to beating his former team,

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Speaker 4: the Packers, which I think he definitely wants to do.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look at the results. You're third in the

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Speaker 4: league in touchdown passes, right now with fourteen, and everybody

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Speaker 4: else who's in front of you has played more games

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Speaker 4: than you, Dak Prescott and Matthew Stafford. So you're playing

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Speaker 4: extremely well. You're putting up a lot of numbers, enough

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Speaker 4: up enough points to beat the Packers. I don't think

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Speaker 4: he'll play outside of himself. The most outside of himself

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Speaker 4: moment we've seen was last week when he threw that

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Speaker 2: Or when he launched into a tirade against Broderck Jones

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Speaker 4: I was with him on that. I was on Aaron

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Speaker 4: Rodgerson's side on it. Oh my, you gotta you can't

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Speaker 4: do that, buddy.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of that, this crossed my mind when I looked

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Speaker 3: And we'll talk to Matt Williamson about this in the

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Speaker 3: three o'clock hour today, But if you look back to

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Speaker 3: they shut him down, the obvious thing to then say

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Speaker 3: is do that again with Michaeh Parsons. So of course

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Speaker 3: my brain is going to the Steelers will do the

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Speaker 3: exact opposite because they know that we know that, they

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Speaker 2: And now they're gonna leave Broderick Jones on an island

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Speaker 2: against Micah Parsons and he's gonna plant Aaron Rodgers into

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Speaker 2: the shaky sod at Akershuer Stadium.

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Speaker 4: Boy, I fear that you might be correct there, because

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Speaker 4: we've seen such a track record of that being the case,

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Speaker 4: them zigging when they should just stay on the same.

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Speaker 2: The only thing that makes me think I might be

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Speaker 2: wrong about that is it is such a conservative move

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Speaker 2: to play with as many all defensive lineman is humanly possible,

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Speaker 2: And I do think they think that's Steeler football, and

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Speaker 2: they just want to do that and lean into it

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Speaker 2: because they'll get the run game going. And this is

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Speaker 2: sixties Packers versus seventy Stillers and they're on a bad

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Speaker 2: field and throw back uniforms too, Oh, throwback unifors can't

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Speaker 2: forget about that as well.

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Speaker 4: So you think that outweighs the tendency to they know

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Speaker 4: what I'm thinking. Lafleur's in my head. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 4: help on Parsons at all. Let's see how you think

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Speaker 4: about that.

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Speaker 2: If they don't help on Parsons at all, though, then

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Speaker 2: they're just making it a one on one battle and

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Speaker 2: he's gonna win it every time.

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Speaker 4: This is kind of foolish to talk about, right, There's

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Speaker 4: no way, there's no way. They just you know, leave

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Speaker 4: an island out there, whether it's Jones or Frattani wherever part.

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Speaker 2: Well, did you think the Bengals gonna do that with TJ.

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Speaker 2: Watt anytime that there was a one on one match?

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Speaker 2: They didn't do it all the time he got shipped, sure,

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Speaker 2: and there was help, but whenever there wasn't, it didn't matter.

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Speaker 2: He's still lost most of those battles against Mims.

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Speaker 4: I think that, well, they lost most of those battles

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Speaker 4: with Mints because he had to win him in one

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Speaker 4: point five seconds or else it was over because Flaca

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Speaker 4: probably to be an element of that.

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Speaker 2: Then, you know what, then don't pay TJ. Watt eighty

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Speaker 2: eight million dollars guarantee what you just did?

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Speaker 4: You want to have that discussion right now? Sure, I'm

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Speaker 4: with you on that. I think that was funny.

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Speaker 2: I got so tired of talking about that when the

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Speaker 4: Thing was at its height this summers.

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Speaker 2: If you talked about his stats, the immediate response from

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Speaker 2: Steeler Hanks, she said, you gotta.

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Speaker 3: Sign him, you gotta sign him, is well, what is

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Speaker 2: Other teams get rid of the ball so fast or

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Speaker 2: are they gonna stop doing that because.

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Speaker 4: You paid him? That's what I'm worried about moving forward, seriously,

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Speaker 4: Like teams obviously saw how much that worked, and they

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Speaker 4: also see how much the Steelers secondary.

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Speaker 3: Can't cover for one point five second, can't.

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Speaker 4: Cover at all. So like, why wouldn't we just with

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Speaker 4: our quarterbacks that are better and in their prime as

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Speaker 4: opposed to Joe Flacco get rid of the ball quickly

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Speaker 4: like Jordan Love Daniel Jones justin Herbert, Like they should

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Speaker 4: all just be like I got two point five to

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Speaker 4: throw this thing, and even them, more so than Flacco,

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Speaker 4: are gonna have the ability to take off and run

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Speaker 4: and hurt the Steelers. I mean, you can neutralize what TJ.

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Speaker 4: Watt does so much by simply just avoiding it, by

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Speaker 4: simply just getting the ball out in a manner that

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Speaker 4: you would have to be superhuman to get home. And

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Speaker 4: you don't want to give that guy that much money,

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Speaker 4: especially if your secondary can't cover.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, what did you think about what Mike

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Speaker 2: Decursi said when he was on with us and he

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Speaker 2: mentioned that the Steelers media and fan base needs to

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Speaker 2: get off this conversation about trading for number two wide

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Speaker 2: receiver and shift the narrative to getting help in the secondary.

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Speaker 4: the name right now for that famous comedian I can't remember.

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Speaker 3: The def Still doesn't solve the one if DK gets

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because then they just tight ends can't carry that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they refuse to allow Friarmuth to be that, and

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Speaker 4: See you said that they're going to zig when it

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Speaker 3: Because they always.

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Speaker 2: he's going to be a ghost because they've talked themselves

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Speaker 4: You might be surprised. Like I know you were kind

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Speaker 4: but in all seriousness, you played him a little bit more,

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Speaker 3: Targets, and he surprised you with a couple of catches.

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Speaker 4: I mean one of them he was leaping over players

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Speaker 3: That's my opinion, especially you paid him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't have to be this great science, you

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Speaker 4: Just let him go out there, catch a football and

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Speaker 2: What do you think their record will be after these

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Speaker 4: I know they're five and four. I just don't know

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Speaker 4: no other way they go three and oh or zero

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're winning all three. I don't think

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Speaker 4: kind of smells like a Steelers win, right, like that

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Speaker 4: this kind of feels like it Sunday Night football, Rogers

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Speaker 4: to say that they'd win that game. But at some

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Speaker 2: I should they put so much weight on Daniel Jones

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Speaker 4: Out, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: And this is on the Giants. Yeah, And also think

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Speaker 4: the Indianapolis Colts in twenty twenty five. It's him or

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Speaker 4: They're gonna be Green Bay and then they'll lose to

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Speaker 2: Gonna lose to the Colts. I don't like that coaching matchup.

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Speaker 2: We've seen that fish before. And the Charger game, I

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Speaker 2: Steelers can have a good shot.

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Speaker 4: At the same time, we.

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Speaker 2: All thought that the Bengals offensive line was a bad

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Speaker 4: Of that proof Herbert threw for four hundred and twenty

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Speaker 4: yards and three touchdowns and the loss against the Colts.

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Speaker 2: Without his top two wide receivers doing anything. They took

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So he's just gonna take whatever the Steelers give him.

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Speaker 4: And based on the Sinsy game, the Steelers give you

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Speaker 4: a lot with that secondary. So oh and three more

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Speaker 4: likely than three and zero, one two. Most likely. I

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Speaker 4: and one would be like perfect, That would be like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say one and two, but

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say they beat Green Bay because this is

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Speaker 2: always tend to win this game after a terrible loss

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Speaker 2: at home, primetime home game, NFC opponent. The storyline, for

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Speaker 2: whatever it's worth with Rogers, he won it once already,

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Speaker 2: I think it win it again this time. Steelers win

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Speaker 2: this week despite all the talk of their demise and

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Speaker 2: the Steelers win. The next two are up for grabs,

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Speaker 2: but I bet you they lose to the Colts, and

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Speaker 2: then the Chargers really becomes a swing game. And you

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Speaker 4: That feels right. They'll win this one, lose the Colts.

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Speaker 4: Everything will kind of be on the line of my

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Speaker 4: marrying myself to that yet like you win that Chargers game,

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Speaker 4: you win the AFC North.

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Speaker 2: I think you made a really good point. Let's see

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Speaker 2: two weeks. But my hunt right now is to say

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Speaker 4: Go one and two. It becomes a little tight about

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Speaker 2: All right, Tom, what did you think of the James

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Speaker 2: Franklin interview on ESPN College Game Day? Because let's be honest,

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Speaker 4: control of that game. I agree with you about where

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Speaker 4: Franklin goes is the more intriguing part, because now he's

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Speaker 4: the guy right like, he is the number one coach

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Speaker 4: in this cycle, and I don't really foresee anybody else

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Speaker 4: opening up that would be that unless, like you said,

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Speaker 4: a legend like Saban, which is't gonna happen, would throw

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Speaker 4: his hat back in the ring. Maybe Brian Kelly gets

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Speaker 4: fired from LSU if they missed the playoffs, but too hard.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't do that if i'm him, Franklin and Kelly.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's kind of neck and neck as far

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Speaker 4: as who the guy is, I might lean towards Franklin there.

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Speaker 2: I want to play the SoundBite of him on college

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Speaker 2: game day with Herbstreet and company.

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Speaker 4: How'd we get here so quickly?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't answer that, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 6: I'm still working through it myself. It feels surreal. I

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Speaker 6: just got a message, you know, from Drew Aller's dad

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Speaker 6: that he's sitting home as well. We both should be

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Speaker 6: in Iowa. It's what we used were used to doing

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Speaker 6: and how we operate, and I've been doing this for

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Speaker 6: thirty years and fifteen years as a head coach. To think, essentially,

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Speaker 6: six games ago, we were fighting for a chance to

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Speaker 6: be in the national Championship a two minute drive away.

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Speaker 6: So that's the thing I really can't answer that, Kirk.

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Speaker 6: Twelve years, a ton of good moments, a bunch of

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Speaker 6: big wins, but decisions were made and I'm not involved

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Speaker 6: in those decisions. I'm very, very grateful for the time

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Speaker 6: I had it, most importantly for the relationships.

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Speaker 4: I was able to build.

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Speaker 6: I thought we were gonna win a national championship there,

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Speaker 6: we were close.

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Speaker 4: That goal hasn't changed.

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Speaker 6: We're just gonna go win a national championship somewhere else now, hell.

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Speaker 3: No, right, hell yeah, McAfee, hell yeah, hell yeah.

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Speaker 4: I love how Franklin slid in there that I wasn't

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Speaker 4: a part of those decisions. Really, you aren't a part

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Speaker 4: of your firing yourself and even put in that one, James.

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Speaker 3: I also like the quarterbacks. Dad still likes me the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: Dad still texted me exactly like, Hey, Penn State fans,

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Speaker 4: I didn't lose faith at the quarterback he's.

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Speaker 2: Telling everybody else out there, looked, I still get along

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Speaker 2: with the players and their parents.

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Speaker 4: You can hire me. Locker room's fine, and my relationship's good.

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Speaker 4: Like I don't have let me rephrase that.

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Speaker 2: The problem that I have with the question that set

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Speaker 2: that up from Herb Street was, and to be fair,

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Speaker 2: we didn't put the whole preamble into it.

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Speaker 4: It was a long preamble and I wanted to get

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Speaker 4: through it.

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Speaker 2: He asked that question from the standpoint, we said quickly

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Speaker 2: talking about the fact it was just a few weeks

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Speaker 2: ago that they were playing Oregon in overtime and you know,

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Speaker 2: the number two team in the country.

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Speaker 4: But this didn't happen. Quilp was going.

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Speaker 7: On his entire ten uere what's the record? The graphics

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Speaker 7: for turn it up on the screen four and twenty

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Speaker 7: one did not just happen. This didn't just happen. Now,

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Speaker 7: where's he gonna win this national championship? So you brought

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Speaker 7: up LSU. Potentially some people have said they're gonna he's

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Speaker 7: gonna wind up in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't want to go back to the Big Ten.

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Speaker 3: He'll get out.

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Speaker 4: It'll be the SEC or the ACC. Virginia Tech will

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Speaker 4: beat the school in the ACC. I would come hard

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Speaker 4: at him if I was Virginia Tech. He already give out.

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Speaker 4: Florida State. Florida or Florida State is an intriguing one too.

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Speaker 4: Florida's SEC. Florida State's not open yet, but there's no

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Speaker 4: will being Norvell survives this season. He's owing four right

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Speaker 4: now in the Commerce. He just lost Stanford, for God's sake,

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Speaker 4: so he's done. I think Virginia Tech would be just

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Speaker 4: ripe for there. He already has it. He already has

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Speaker 4: that pretty much on lock. It would just be, hey,

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Speaker 4: don't come to Penn State, come to Virginia Tech. He

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Speaker 4: could sell that atmosphere too. It's not as Penn State,

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Speaker 4: but it's got history with it.

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Speaker 2: The beautiful thing about it is then it becomes beating

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Speaker 2: Miami and Clemson as opposed to Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Good one.

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Speaker 4: It's a good one.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't see that coming.

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Speaker 2: We can put Syracuse in there too, No, we cannot, No,

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Speaker 2: we absolutely cannot.

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Speaker 3: Eddy Johnson again.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the half, it's the Miami's, the Clemsons,

522
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Speaker 4: the Florida States. Now that become your big dogs. But

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Speaker 4: like they're not that big Dog anymore. Like all five said.

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Speaker 3: Davo should be done at Clemson. I don't disagree with them,

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Speaker 3: and we didn't take the Clemson job. Then Miami on

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Speaker 3: Friday goes to Penn State and James Franklin goes to Clemson.

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Speaker 3: See this is what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: It's so much more interesting to talk about it from

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Speaker 2: a Franklin angle than it is a Penn State angle.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I think the Penn State highre is just

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Speaker 4: going to be really boring. What if they hire the

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Speaker 4: Vanderbilt coach, go the same exact route they did with James,

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Speaker 4: I'd be ironic. He's actually good though, Like make me

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Speaker 4: the cycle. He's more successful there at Vanderbilt than Franklin

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Speaker 4: was at Vanderbilt young defensive assistance. What the Steelers did

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Speaker 4: with Cower and m right, it actually might not be

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Speaker 4: the wrong higher or excuse me, it might be the

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Speaker 4: right higher right now. I bet you they'd be scared

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Speaker 4: off of it though, because it'd be the hiring the

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Speaker 4: Vanderbilt coach again.

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Speaker 2: Okay, something very weird happened during the Penguin game. Something

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Speaker 2: really sloppy happened during the Penguin game, and it didn't

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Speaker 2: come from Eric Carlson or crys Latang.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen times a day through nine pm, d X will

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Speaker 1: give you the keyword at the top of every hour.

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Speaker 1: Enter it at wxdx dot com and you could win

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Speaker 1: one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 4: With that much money, you could buy like ten coffees.

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Speaker 4: You know what.

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Speaker 1: I was homeschooled. I'm not good at enough. Listen all

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Speaker 1: day for your chance. Had some extra cash. On one

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Speaker 3: Nine, the X hits Bunny Diver and I just love

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Speaker 3: good news. Okay, So this is a great story I

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Speaker 3: just heard about on.

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Speaker 2: An expanding coverage of the Mark Madden Show. Back by

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Speaker 2: the personal injury experts Shandorovich, Shandorovich and Fishman.

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Speaker 4: They've got your back, not your wallet.

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Speaker 2: The good folks, the San Jose Sharks might need Shandorovich,

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Speaker 2: Shandarovitch and Fishman. I'll just see what happened Tom during

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Speaker 2: the game between the Sharks and the Penguins on Saturday night.

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Speaker 4: I did now after you include me in in the

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Speaker 4: commercial break.

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Speaker 3: So it was let me get this exactly right here.

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Speaker 2: Hispanic Heritage Night for the San Jose Sharks against the

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Speaker 2: Penguins on Saturday. And during the course of Hispanic Heritage Night,

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Speaker 2: somebody on the JumboTron when they did one of those

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Speaker 2: montag of messages that you can send from your phone

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Speaker 2: to go on the big screen, somebody sent in the

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Speaker 2: following quote, which was San Jose Sharks fans love ice,

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Speaker 2: get them boys, not.

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Speaker 3: Ice like ice hockey. Are you sure about that ice

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Speaker 3: like ice that is going after people who just sit

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Speaker 3: for the sake of argument.

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Speaker 4: Might be celebrating Hispanic Heritage Night. We're sure they're not

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Speaker 4: talking about the ice.

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Speaker 3: And I love the fact that katvu dot com. Fox

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Speaker 3: two in the Greater Bay Area interviewed a man by

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Speaker 3: the name of Daniel Gomz of Fremont, who said, I'm

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Speaker 3: really surprised to see that at a Sharks game.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big Sharks fan. Very inappropriate and honestly, the

585
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Speaker 2: Sharks should do better. They should do some pre checks

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Speaker 2: before any of the messages go out.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure there are a lot of people in the

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Speaker 4: arena that night where were pretty surprised by that message.

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Speaker 2: To this, I'm surprised anybody noticed, because like when those

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Speaker 2: things go up in the jump.

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Speaker 4: A like, who actually looks at those you're in the

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Speaker 4: line getting a right, or you're looking at your phone.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna be nineteen thousand people at that building. And

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Speaker 2: if you told me that all nineteen thousand people weren't

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Speaker 2: looking at that, I wouldn't be surprised.

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Speaker 4: But I guess enough people didn't. Now, if there is

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Speaker 4: no screening process, like how many bad messages have gotten

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Speaker 4: up there at San Jose Sharks games that we haven't

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Speaker 4: noticed to your point, that have just kind of been

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Speaker 4: like a tree falling into forest that no one heard.

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Speaker 3: Well, Metzer and I you're gonna hear from Mets at

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Speaker 3: five thirty.

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Speaker 2: We were theorizing that they've got some sort of AI

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Speaker 2: or bot that like checks the message.

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Speaker 4: They can put ice in it.

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Speaker 3: They just take ice hot thing surface and it just

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Speaker 3: lets it right through and nobody looks at it.

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Speaker 4: Go get them boys.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The difference is when the Pirates do that, because the

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Speaker 2: Pirates have those messages that go out of the Jumbo

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Speaker 2: Tron two, there's four thousand people in the stands. They

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Speaker 2: can check everyone. It doesn't matter, like you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: the Penguins brought a big crowd.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm pretty sure at Pirate games, those

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Speaker 4: are team employees that have to send in those texts

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Speaker 4: because no one's playing ball in the arena like in

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Speaker 4: the stadium.

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Speaker 3: Love you Bucks. Why does that say? From iPhone?

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Speaker 4: Right? Nutting family playing one, having the best night at

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Speaker 4: the ballpark with my team, best team in baseball, Love

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Speaker 4: the Pirates, I love pup.

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Speaker 2: Night from missus Nutting. All right, we come back, Tommy Radio.

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Speaker 2: Is quite the I think divisive trifecta for us to digest.

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Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be a lot of disagreement on

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Speaker 2: this one. And in fact, I don't even know which

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Speaker 2: direction you've decided to go on this. You could go left,

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Speaker 2: you could go right. I don't know which way you're

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Speaker 2: gonna go, But either way people are gonna fight about it.

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Speaker 2: This next one of five nine The X The Only Show.

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Speaker 5: Mark Madden, all the Penns games, wherever you are and

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Speaker 1: One oh five nine The X from the one oh

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Speaker 1: five nine The ex Weather Center, Mark Madden and.

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Speaker 4: Tom Upferman on the X.

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Speaker 3: Time for the trifecta, Right now, Tommy radio, What do

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Speaker 3: we have for the trifecta?

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Speaker 4: Since we have a Game seven tonight in baseball, Tim,

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Speaker 4: I think we should go down memory lane when it

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Speaker 4: comes to Game seven's around Pittsburgh sports teams.

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Speaker 2: Oh, this is good, and by the way, it's sponsored

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Speaker 2: by Danny's Pizza and Hogies, Pittsburgh's original oven baked hogy

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Speaker 2: since nineteen sixty Route eighty eight in Bethel Park. Now,

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Speaker 2: of course, since there is no NBA team here, we're

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Speaker 2: kind of limited to just two sports, but there's still

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Speaker 2: plenty to choose from. Are we doing Game seven defeats

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Speaker 2: or are we doing Game seven triumphs.

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Speaker 4: I think we should do both of them, because I

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Speaker 4: lean towards doing defeats, but I don't want to be

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Speaker 4: accused of being a sour puss. So we can lift

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Speaker 4: list off the triumphs as well, But let's start with

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Speaker 4: the defeats. Number three on the list has to be

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Speaker 4: ninety six Fitzgerald fifty eight foot slapper behind Tom Barrasso

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Speaker 4: in the East Finals against the Florida Panthers, sending the

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Speaker 4: Florida Panthers to the Stanley Cup to face off against

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Speaker 4: I believe the Colorado Avalanche that year.

657
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Speaker 3: True, I don't know if it has to be, but

658
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: we'll get into that.

659
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 4: Keep going. Number two is Volk in ninety three against

660
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 4: the Penguins the Islanders, of course, beating what many people

661
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: think might be the best Penguins team in team history.

662
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 4: Of course they did not win, though, But Number one

663
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 4: as far as the bad game seven moments, and this

664
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 4: is number one by a mile, Sidbream against the Pirates

665
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 4: Atlanta Braves.

666
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: We all know, Yeah, it ruined a franchise.

667
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: It ruined an entire team. It didn't just ruin a season.

668
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: It ruined a franchise.

669
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 4: Sure, they have never been the same. You're right, you know.

670
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: It was so bad that in our conversations we had

671
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: to remind ourselves that we should also talk about Game

672
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: seven at home in Pittsburgh the year before, when Smoltz

673
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: shut them out on six hits in a four nothing game.

674
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: But that's so buried by what happened the next year,

675
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: since the next year was so incredibly heartbreaking that Game

676
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: seven in ninety one. That was the better team, no

677
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: doubt about it. That was the better team.

678
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 4: Now, you said you had some debate when it came

679
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 4: to Fitzgerald's goal in ninety six against the Penguins. Yeah,

680
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 4: because that's number three in my lifetime, as I remember, Yes,

681
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 4: I would do for my lifetime.

682
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: I would do the three that you did in that

683
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: exact order, Okay, But I would also point out that

684
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: the seventy five, so I guess technically was my lifetime,

685
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: but I was one. But the seventy five blown three

686
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: nothing lead against the Islanders, that game seven should probably

687
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: be number three.

688
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably, and Mark would be able to wait. Mark

689
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 4: would make that at least he'd make it on that

690
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: for sure, and he'd weigh in more about, like, you know,

691
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 4: the details around it, but just thinking about blowing a

692
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 4: three to zero lead, Tim, don't you kind of go

693
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 4: into game seven already defeated under them circumstances.

694
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: Like you basically nobody just drives it home all the more,

695
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 3: you know.

696
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 4: I guess it does. You do have to actually go

697
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 4: out and lose that game. But he kind of knew

698
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 4: what was gonna happen, whereas like Volik or Fitzgerald, like

699
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 4: you went into that game seven not thinking like, oh, well,

700
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 4: we've just collapsed three straight games. We have no shot

701
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 4: in this one.

702
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: I think that Fitzgerald game the seventy five game and

703
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: the ninety one game are all pretty good candidates for

704
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: this list to get the bronze medal.

705
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: But silver and gold are they are beyond reproach?

706
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 4: Well, gold, I mean Bream should just have all three

707
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: on this list, to be honest with you, one, two,

708
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 4: and three. As you said, the franchise of the Pittsburgh

709
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 4: Pirates has literally gone in the tank, starting with Sidbream

710
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 4: sliding safely across that plate. What would you do in

711
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 4: terms of victories? I think you'd have to go with

712
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 4: the nineteen seventy nine Pirates win over the Orioles in

713
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 4: Game seven in that World Series for number three. Number

714
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 4: two would then have to be the Penguins against Detroit

715
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 4: in nine flurries save, and then number one. Similarly to

716
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 4: Bream being number one in the negative by a long shot,

717
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 4: the positive one has to be Mas's home run against

718
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 4: the Yankees in nineteen sixty and that's got to be

719
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: number one by a long shot. I mean, Tim, we

720
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 4: can look at Game seven moments from a national perspective,

721
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 4: and mass is going to have a claim there's none better. Yeah, right,

722
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 4: So I mean, like not that obviously should be the

723
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 4: local number one two. I agree with that list one

724
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 4: hundred percent. There is more debate, I suppose on the

725
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 4: loser list, because like we didn't even talk about yet.

726
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 4: For instance, the Canadians coming in here and closing Melon

727
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 4: Arena the year after the Penguins won the Cup and

728
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 4: the Flurry save. Yeah, in two thousand and nine.

729
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: That was a pretty bitter loss, but because the Penguins

730
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: then went on to win a couple more cups. You

731
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: can't bring back Melon Arena, but they still won a

732
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: couple more cups. During the Sid era, you know, there

733
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: was a while there where it felt like it was

734
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: going to be a black hole, and they did lose

735
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: some Game sevens, like that zero for seven on the

736
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: power play against Tampa Bay in twenty eleven, when everybody

737
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: was yeah, Rollie the goalie.

738
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Gino and Sid weren't even playing there, so

739
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 4: that we were just kind of happy to be in

740
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: that series.

741
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 3: You know.

742
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 2: There was the Spicy Pork in Brocco League give Sway

743
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: to Tristan jar in his bad.

744
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 4: Foot Broyes, where Jari actually played maybe his best playoff

745
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 4: performance of his career, right exactly.

746
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: There are some great game seven wins for Penguins, but

747
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 2: they were all in conference semifinals or conference finals, which

748
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: you know, I guess for the younger generation that have

749
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: no clue what nineteen seventy nine meant.

750
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 3: For we are a family.

751
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: You know, maybe you take the games against Ovechkin in

752
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 2: the conference semifinals in twenty seventeen or twenty oh nine

753
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: and say those games were better. Maybe if that Benino

754
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: game or you know, the pucks going over the glass

755
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: the year before that in twenty sixteen, maybe if that

756
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: had been a conference final as opposed to a semifinal,

757
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: or a game seven instead of a game six like first,

758
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: if that had been a game seven, Okay, maybe that

759
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: makes the list, But I think that's a generational thing,

760
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: and really it shouldn't be because that's the last World

761
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 2: Series we're ever gonna see period.

762
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 4: Yeah right, See, those ones that you just described are

763
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 4: obviously more prescient for me as far as a memory,

764
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: like I went, I witnessed those games. I didn't witness

765
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 4: the nineteen seventy nine World Series against the Orioles. But

766
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 4: I just think when you're doing these lists, you kind

767
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 4: of have the default too. If a moment happened in

768
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: a championship round. That just adds to the weight of it.

769
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 4: And then if we're talking about game seven's in a

770
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 4: championship round, I mean, there is no greater pressure spot

771
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 4: in sports.

772
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: And you talked about the mass thing again, as I mentioned,

773
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 2: it's a generational thing, but that spans generations here. I mean,

774
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: they kept the wallup, for God's sakes. That's got to

775
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: count for something, doesn't it.

776
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 4: Oh, no doubt, And they still do. I don't know

777
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 4: how many young kids go out to this, but they

778
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 4: still do that event. They just did it last week

779
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 4: where they listened to the radio broadcast at the site

780
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 4: of Forbes Field.

781
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: I didn't do that this year, but I did it

782
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: last year for the first time. And it's more fun

783
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: than you think. And you know, one thing that they

784
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 2: do is.

785
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: They play the entire real radio call of that and

786
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: the entire real radio call, which is since this year

787
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: actually been submitted to the Library of Congress for the archives.

788
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: They kept the mistakes of the final play by play

789
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 3: call in there. Did you know if there were mistakes

790
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: in the final play by play call? Yeah, it's like

791
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 3: and it's jarring.

792
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: I almost missed the home run by Masarowski because who

793
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: is at Chuck Thompson, I think who was doing the

794
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: play by play. He referred to Ralph White the pitcher,

795
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: as Ralph Terry, sorry, the pitcher as Dittmeyer, who was

796
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: the pitcher warming up the bullpen, and he just had

797
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 2: like a Freudian slip because he had mentioned him warming

798
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: up the bullpen and he mentioned the bullpen guy's name

799
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: is so the guy who's actually on the mound, and

800
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: like it catches you, you go win a minute.

801
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 4: That's not the guy who's pitching.

802
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: And then Mask hits the homer, and in the moment

803
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: of celebration he says they won the game ten to nothing. Well,

804
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: obviously they don't win the game ten to nothing because

805
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: he just walked him off. It's ten to nine as

806
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: a ten run homer, which you know what if the

807
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: Pirates could hit ten run homers, now, Tom, I'd like

808
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 3: their chances a lot more going into next season. But

809
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: I still don't think that's allowed.

810
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 4: You're right, that moment is going to live on. It's

811
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 4: going to pass down from generations to generations, not just

812
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: because home run in the World Series Game seven, But

813
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 4: don't you think it's because it beat the Yankees? Harry, Yes, absolutely,

814
00:37:59,160 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 4: hate the Yankees.

815
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: Who the Yankees were that year.

816
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: They were like the ultimate Goliath and the Pirates were

817
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: like the little engine that they're good peak.

818
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 4: Of evil Empire Yankees.

819
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: And you look at that World Series based on how

820
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: badly the Pirates lost in the three games that they

821
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: lost for them to win that game, and there was

822
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: so much back and forth in that game.

823
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 4: They were in front, they blew the lead, they got

824
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 4: the lead back, and I mean their run DIFFERENTI was

825
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 4: like minus fifteen or something, wasn't it in that World Series.

826
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 4: That's good enough to lead the ANFC North champs. All right,

827
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 4: in thirty seconds we get back to the Steelers. You

828
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 4: could comment on this too if you want eight three, three, four,

829
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 4: one two ninety nine, thirty nine, if you want to

830
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 4: talk some game seven as well, with the game seven

831
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 4: in the ALCS tonight. This is one of five nine

832
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 4: the X Now it's your chance to win.

833
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,080
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834
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