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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: It's Skyline time. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.

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Speaker 2: Really, it's what you need to do. Welcome in Happy Friday,

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Speaker 2: Cincy three sixty here for the next three hours, all

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Speaker 2: the way up till three o'clock. Mowager takes over after that.

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Speaker 2: If you're out braving the snow right now, get yourself

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Speaker 2: to your nearest Skyline Chili, batten down the hatches, get

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Speaker 2: yourself a meal, and allow the cruise to clean up

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Speaker 2: the roads, as this snow should be ending here soon.

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Speaker 2: We talked about a clipper Austin, and we got hit

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Speaker 2: with the clipper this morning. Come to find out it's

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Speaker 2: a clipper man. Don't mess with the clippers, the old

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Speaker 2: Alberta clipper. Incredible stuff here in Cincinnati, really as uh

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Speaker 2: snow filled our city again this morning, but it hasn't stopped.

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Speaker 2: What we do might stop what kids do. Is this

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Speaker 2: like the first time you've seen snow or well, it's

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Speaker 2: different every time.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: Now snow.

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Speaker 2: Well, no snowflake is the same. Well, there was some

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Speaker 2: thick flakes coming down earlier today. I wondered, as you know,

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Speaker 2: the kids had school today, I wondered dropping them off

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Speaker 2: in the snowstart. I'm like, oh, this kind of thick

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Speaker 2: snow coming down doesn't say it's supposed to stop till noon.

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Speaker 2: Wonder if they should have canceled school like they did

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Speaker 2: an hour later, they sent a message out to go

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Speaker 2: I don't understand that. If it's going to stop at

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Speaker 2: noon or one o'clock, well then you should be fine.

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Speaker 2: When do kids get out of school these days? I

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Speaker 2: might be out of touch. Well it's different. You know

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Speaker 2: on up and get your kids, that makes more sense

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Speaker 2: So the good news is a lot of those kids

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Speaker 2: are now home and probably listening to this program today,

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Speaker 2: and we thank them for that, along with all of

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Speaker 2: microphone there, and we'll get to those talkbacks in our

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Speaker 2: number two today. We start our number two with Charlie Goldsmith.

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Speaker 2: We'll catch up on some Bengals and Reds related topics

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Speaker 2: with him. We will talk to Bob Manjean in our

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Speaker 2: number three right before quick hits today and we'll talk

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Speaker 2: to Bob about something we saw earlier today. Austin, just

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Speaker 2: one week removed from a torn ACL one hundred percent ruptured.

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Speaker 2: According to Lindsay Vaughn on Twitter, she competed in time

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Speaker 2: trials today in Milan. Unbelievable and I think was like

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Speaker 2: How is that even possible? Speaking of these set Olympics,

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Speaker 2: the uh doubles, the mixed doubles curling squad Austin for

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Speaker 2: the US, off to a four and oh start now,

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Speaker 2: two more wins today, four and oh over the Czech

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Speaker 2: for mixed doubles curling for the Americans, shout out to them.

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Speaker 2: We'll dive into a lot deeper today. NFL awards were

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Speaker 2: in last night's Hall of Fame class no Ken Anderson,

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Speaker 2: show goes on this afternoon. The NBA trade deadline has

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Speaker 2: and gone. And that's a name I have never heard before.

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Speaker 2: And how about this. The Charlotte Hornets won their eighth

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Speaker 2: Chicago being at that point? Man, that's unbelievable. Here's what

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Speaker 2: Guardian's pitcher, The Guardians pitcher. Court documents have now come

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Speaker 2: out and claim that em Manual class A rigged pitches

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Speaker 2: for the benefit of betters in at least forty eight

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Speaker 2: games over two years. Forty eight games, Austin. And as

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Speaker 2: the loss is something we're gonna have to spend some

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Speaker 2: time on this afternoon. Jim Schwartz is not not going

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Speaker 2: today Austin is a win for the Cincinnati Bengals in

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Speaker 2: my opinion, even though Zach Taylor doesn't have to worry

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Speaker 2: Miles Garrett. But nonetheless, Jim Schwartz is out as the

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Speaker 2: that Jim Schwartz has gone. And based off of the reporting,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like he's going to coach this year

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Speaker 2: The World Baseball Classic, we've got a more of an

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Speaker 2: World Baseball Classic. One of those players. Actually two you,

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Speaker 2: Hennio Suarez and Edward Arroyo, stand out out on these

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Speaker 2: the Reds organization will be playing in the World Baseball Classic.

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Speaker 2: It'll be Edwin Arroyo, as you mentioned for Puerto Rico

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Speaker 2: au Haaneo Suarez with the Reds. In Venezuela. It'll be

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Speaker 2: David Lordway. I don't know exactly much about him, but

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Speaker 2: a guy like Gavin Lock. How much this participation for

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Speaker 2: Edwin Arroyo takes away his opportunity to compete for the

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Speaker 2: Other players are going to be in training camp spring

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Speaker 2: it is interesting. It's probably a tough decision for Edwin Arroyo,

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Speaker 2: but the opportunity to play for your country is a

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Speaker 2: pretty cool one. Nonetheless, and not just that. Listen to

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Speaker 2: the twenty team World Baseball Classic. Aaron Judge, Shoheo Tani,

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Speaker 2: off Puerto Rico's roster due to insurance issues. We've talked

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Speaker 2: The Dominican Republic arguably the best lineup. Juan so To,

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Speaker 2: We mentioned Eu Henney Jo Suarez will be on the

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Speaker 2: Venezuelan team they lost to the US in the quarterfinal

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Speaker 2: Let's rip the band aid off. Last night, Fifth Third Arena,

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Speaker 2: We've heard angry Wes after the games. We've heard frustrated

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of people that would put Butch

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Speaker 2: He truly does, and he's truly now a coach that

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Speaker 2: he's been out coached. It's overwhelming at this point. So

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Speaker 2: on one end, I'm not going to pretend that I

431
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 2: don't get angry when this team loses, because I hang

432
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: on every You know this about me more than anyone, Austin,

433
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 2: Like it's not a ploy for me on air, Like

434
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: I truly believe in this team, Like there was part

435
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 2: of me yesterday that's in my mind, Like what if

436
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 2: they win eight out of nine down the stretch, Like

437
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: I always think to that because I want nothing more

438
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: than UC to be successful, and damn if I don't

439
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: respect the work that wes Miller puts in, and as

440
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: a former UC athlete, I respect his passion for the

441
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: university and his want two to win. Regardless of last night,

442
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: his drive and his want two, you could tell the

443
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: dude cares, because if he didn't care, he'd come out

444
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 2: and say like, wow, whatever. I think he truly cares.

445
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: I think he's now so far in over his head

446
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: with the struggles of the season. But Brian Kelly left

447
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: this place and no one cared, no one wanted to

448
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: see him win. I don't think that'll be like that.

449
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: For whatever happens where West goes, I want him to

450
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: succeed because I do genuinely think he's a good guy.

451
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Speaker 2: It's it's not here. The unfortunate reality of life is

452
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: that sometimes, whether it's in basketball, in work, in sports,

453
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: whatever it is, the unfortunate reality of life is sometimes

454
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: your best isn't good enough. And that's the case with

455
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: Wes Miller. He's broken, Yep, a guy yesterday that was

456
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 2: on the verge of or if not in tears. In

457
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 2: the post game, the video of him talking to the

458
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Speaker 2: fans in the tunnel. You can be a good guy,

459
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: you can work really hard, you can be well liked,

460
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: you can be respected, you can be nice behind closed doors,

461
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: which I think he is, although none of it matters

462
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: if you don't have results. And that is the unfortunate

463
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: reality of the business of which in which wes Miller

464
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: is in. And I think he's at the point where

465
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: they really need to go their separate ways. I think

466
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: it's you see, and wes Miller and his agent need

467
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: to come together and say, listen, this is not benefiting anybody,

468
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 2: because once again the story is about what wes Miller

469
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: did and said and reacted after the game, and the

470
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: conversation is again about wes Miller being in over his

471
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: head and that can't be the talking point surrounding your

472
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: basketball program. And so he's at the point now where

473
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 2: if he continues down this path, he's damaging his ability,

474
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: or his reputation or his prospects in the long term future.

475
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Speaker 2: And for you see, they've got to do something to

476
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Speaker 2: show the fan base that this isn't acceptable to them.

477
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 2: Being a good guy and working hard. We talk about

478
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: this all the time with players. Oh they play hard, well, yeah,

479
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: that's a prerequisite, that's expected. I expect that from the

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Speaker 2: basketball coach. I don't expect, after all these years, in

481
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: all these games to see the same problems and continually

482
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: get out coached and struggle to handle your emotions post game.

483
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: That stuff tells me he doesn't have a good enough

484
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: hold on himself and on the program to be able

485
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Speaker 2: to turn it around. So, whether you come to some

486
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Speaker 2: sort of mutual agreement to part ways where maybe you

487
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: don't pay the whole buyout, maybe you just ended after

488
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: these next few weeks, who knows. But something's got to

489
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: happen because Wes Miller is broken and the Bearcat basketball

490
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: program is going nowhere. I sent messages out last night

491
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Speaker 2: to friends of mine that are UC fans. It sucks,

492
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: like in every way, it sucks. It sucks because at

493
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Speaker 2: a point I feel bad that that he is in

494
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Speaker 2: over his head. It sucks because this team continues to lose,

495
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: and it sucks Austin to hear coach say I'm giving

496
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: every ounce that I have, but what result do they

497
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: have to show for it? They continue to lose in

498
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: the same way every single time, and it's just it's

499
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: infuriating and it's maddening, and it's frustrating, and it's so

500
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: many different things, but at the core of it, it

501
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: just sucks that this situation where this team is at,

502
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: it's brutal on all ends. And he's had former players

503
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: come to his defense, and I heard Bob Huggins say

504
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: good things about him the other day. At the end

505
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: of it, at the root of it all, you're in

506
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve, you know. And I think that's to

507
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: your point, Austin, the Big Twelve is that's the big

508
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: boy league, right like, that's the league that everyone looks

509
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: to right now. If you want to talk about where

510
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: college basketball starts and stops, go, look in the AP

511
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: Top twenty five right now, number one in the country,

512
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Speaker 2: Big twelve, number seven in the country, Big twelve, number

513
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: eight in the country, Big twelve, number eleven in the country,

514
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: Big twelve, number thirteen in the country, Big twelve, number

515
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: sixteen in the country, the Big Twelve. This is the

516
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: big leagues. And to be emotional, that's fine. But to

517
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: be at the point where I listened and saw west

518
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: Miller at last night, you think, man, can that be

519
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: the guy that is leading your program in the hardest

520
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: and toughest Basketball Conference in college basketball. I'm sure the

521
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: players are gutted. I'm sure the players are devastated. And again,

522
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: players didn't roll over. They're not not giving effort. They're

523
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: also not executing for anything at the end of games.

524
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: They're also not improving. The development's not there. They've had

525
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: more than a handful of winnable games that would have

526
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Speaker 2: at least shown progress. Where this team is at in

527
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: year five of the west Miller era it is it's

528
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: a crossroads. And I mean, Austin, We've literally heard this

529
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: season every single range of emotion in postgame interviews from

530
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: West Miller, every one of them. It's almost becoming, well,

531
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Speaker 2: I got to get to the car because I got

532
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: to hear what's going to be said. I got to

533
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: hear how this is handled. And oh, by the way,

534
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: there is still eight more regular season games of this.

535
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: You still play three top fifteen teams. Doesn't get any better,

536
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: it doesn't get any easier. And again, it's the big leagues.

537
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: This is the mountaintop of college basketball. You've got to

538
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: be equipped, not just from a scheme standpoint, but emotionally

539
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: to handle it as well. And that's what I'm saying,

540
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: is like like this, it's not working, So it's time

541
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: to to bite the bullet here like they're going nowhere.

542
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: They've been going nowhere, And doesn't matter if he's a

543
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: good guy, doesn't matter if he works hard, the results

544
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: aren't there. Yeah, And it's a result driven sports world.

545
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: That's it. Every sport result driven. I mean, Austin, how

546
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: many times we had the conversation about Zach Taylor as

547
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: the head coach of the Bengals. Zach Taylor Brian Callahan

548
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: picked up the bill for Jay Morrison and his late

549
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: wife celebration of life. Great dude, Right, people still question

550
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: coaching at the core of it and and getting over

551
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: the hump. There's a fine line. Zach Taylor is an

552
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: awesome dude. Wes Miller is an awesome dude. There are

553
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: times though that that just doesn't mean you're going to

554
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: be successful in your job. And Zach Taylor has taken

555
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,479
Speaker 2: his team a heck of a lot further. And there

556
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: are a lot more believers in Zach Taylor as a

557
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: head coach than anything else. Yeah, you know, it goes

558
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: that like with with Mike. You know, Mike Ditko wasn't

559
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: the nicest guy, but he had a lot of success.

560
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick not a nice guy, but he worked hard

561
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: and he is going to be a Hall of Famer

562
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: and has won a ton of Super Bowls. Bill Bill

563
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: Parcells wasn't a nice guy. He won a bunch of games. Yep,

564
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: there's no prerequisite, you know, there's like no thing that Jenny, Okay,

565
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: if you're a nice guy, you're going to be successful.

566
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Speaker 2: If you're a bad guy, you're gonna be success. It

567
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. It's just all that matters at the end

568
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: of the day, is the column in the W and

569
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: the column in the L, the number in those two columns.

570
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: It's all matters. And very clearly it's not been good

571
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: enough for UC basketball. We'll take a break, we'll come

572
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Speaker 2: back more to go. Your phone calls five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. We got a loaded college basketball weekend ahead.

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Speaker 2: Local teams in action will have a little bit more

575
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Speaker 2: college hoops, and then we'll switch gears to football base

576
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Speaker 2: Baul Charlie Goldsmith and so much more along the way.

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 10: Station, Hey Alexa, who got hurt?

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Speaker 1: Tony Pike, since three sixty is back now on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back since three sixty rolling along hour number one

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Speaker 2: on a Friday, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station thanks

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Speaker 2: to Skyline Chili. By the way, I believe we're having

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Speaker 2: some difficulties right now with our telephones. Uh yeah, we're

587
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Speaker 2: working on it all right. There's an issue where it's

588
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Speaker 2: not just our station. I think it's the whole market

589
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Speaker 2: at the moment. So we're going to guess that this

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Speaker 2: happens sometimes. Yeah, once it gets rectified, we we'll let

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Speaker 2: you know. We'll welcome your phone calls. Also to wrap

592
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 2: up the conversation around you see, and just the results

593
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: Austin just this year alone, two and eleven in Quad

594
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: one or Quad two opportunities. Also a Quad four home

595
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: loss against Eastern Michigan. That is how you sum up

596
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: five straight missed NCAA tournaments with Wes Miller as the

597
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: head coach. Bear Katzer. It's towards the end of the year.

598
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 2: At times with the Bengals defense, you could say, Okay,

599
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: this person's playing better, this person's taking a step forward.

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00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: Miles Murphy, DJ Turner even Demetrius Knight a little bit,

601
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: You're like, Okay, there's something there. There's none of that

602
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: with you, see yeah, And that I think is the

603
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 2: biggest issue. There's not even hints of improvement by anyone.

604
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: It's always the fine line of like the players coach

605
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: because I agree, like you hear former players and current

606
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: players will go to bat for Wes Miller because he's

607
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 2: a nice guy. Brian Kelly wasn't a nice guy, but

608
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly got wins. Like I tell people all the time,

609
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: the way in which Brian Kelly coached me was the

610
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: only way probably for me to be successful. Like if

611
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly was just a nice guy on the sidelines

612
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 2: to me, it probably wouldn't have worked out. I needed

613
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: the the energy that Brian Kelly brought. I needed the

614
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: aggression had times. I needed the anger that Brian Kelly

615
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 2: brought because I responded to that. I wouldn't have responded

616
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 2: as well if Brian Kelly just put his arm around

617
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Speaker 2: me and said all right, let's get him next series.

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00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: You know.

619
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Speaker 2: And as a player, you like that in a coach

620
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: because you feel like the coach is your friend. But

621
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Speaker 2: at the same time, coach doesn't need to be your friend,

622
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: right Coaches, As you said, Austin, you're trying to improve

623
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: these guys. You're trying to make him better. You're trying

624
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: to win games. There's a fine line in that, and

625
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: they have lost far more than they have won. And

626
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: I get being in the Big twelve, but so many,

627
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: so many winnable games that have just slipped through in

628
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: the final minutes of the game that it's beyond beyond frustrating.

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Speaker 2: UC is back in action on Sunday. They take on

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Speaker 2: the UCF Knights at Fifth Third Arena at two o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Xavier travels to Saint John's on Monday night. Saturday Slate.

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00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: Tennessee is at Rupp Arena to take on the Wildcats.

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00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: Louisville is at Wake Forest. Milwaukee is on the way

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00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: to Truest Arena to take on the North on Saturday.

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00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: Dayton heads to VCU tonight in Miami of Ohio ahead

636
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Speaker 2: of that ESBN National TV matchup next Friday against ou

637
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 2: is on the road at Marshall Tomorrow. National Top twenty

638
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: five matchups, the top two teams in the Big East

639
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: square off tonight. Yukon is at Saint John's rivalry weekend

640
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: at Duke at North Carolina, you get Illinois at mississ

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Speaker 2: Michigan State. That's a pair top ten teams, and in

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Speaker 2: the Big twelve Houston at BYU Saturday night as well.

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Speaker 2: That wraps up a big college basketball weekend. Let's talk

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Speaker 2: for a few moments when we get back about the

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Speaker 2: NFL awards and Hall of Fame inductees from tomorrow night,

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Speaker 2: we'll tie that into a conversation with Charlie Goldsmith to

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Speaker 2: kick off our number two. It happens next on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 11: Fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Back Cincy three to sixties thanks to Skyline Chile.

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Speaker 2: On ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. We will dive

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Speaker 2: into the Hall of Fame class in our number three

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Speaker 2: because I want to have more of a conversation as

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Speaker 2: it protrains to Willie Anderson and Ken Anderson before before

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Speaker 2: we get to Charlie Goldsmith. Though, we do have the

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Speaker 2: NFL Honor Awards that were divvied up last night. The

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Speaker 2: winners from last night Offensive Player of the Year Jackson

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Speaker 2: Smith and Jigba no Brainer, Defensive Rookie of the Year

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Speaker 2: Carson Schweisinger from the Cleveland Browns NFL Assistant Coach of

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Speaker 2: the Year. Josh McDaniels, New England Patriots Coach of the

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Speaker 2: Year this Austin was one I thought was an extremely

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Speaker 2: extremely interesting vote. Mike Vrabel becomes the coach of the

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Speaker 2: Year in the NFL. Christian McCaffrey is your comeback Player

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Speaker 2: of the Year, the Protector of the Year guy we

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Speaker 2: talked about for seemingly months in Cincinnati in the offseason past.

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Speaker 2: Joe Tooney, the guard for the Chicago Bears, is your

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Speaker 2: Protector of the Year in the National Football League. Miles

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Speaker 2: Garrett Defensive Player of the Year. Who am I missing

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Speaker 2: outside of the MVP? What other award am I missing?

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Speaker 2: I think that pretty much sums at a comeback Player

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Speaker 2: of the Year. Was Christian Macierold McMillan Offensive Rookie of

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Speaker 2: the Year? Yeah, and then of course Matthew Stafford is

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Speaker 2: your MVP. He edged out Drake May by five points.

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Speaker 2: In a really cool moment last night, as Stafford is

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Speaker 2: on the stage with his four daughters accepting the award,

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Speaker 2: he dropped at the end of it that he's so

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Speaker 2: much looking forward to his kids being on the sideline

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Speaker 2: when they run it back again next year. And we've

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Speaker 2: talked about this off air Austin, that felt like the

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Speaker 2: first time that he had confirmed that to Sean McVay

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Speaker 2: and Kyrien Williams and many others based on their reactions

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Speaker 2: in the stands. Yeah, I mean the way that they

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Speaker 2: kind of jumped out of their seat and ran almost

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Speaker 2: ran up onto the stage. I felt like Sean McVay

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Speaker 2: wanted to do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was pretty cool. It was a very

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Speaker 2: very cool moment as the awards happened. Friend of the

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Speaker 2: Show Sam Monson shared last night that his vote went

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Speaker 2: to Justin Herbert his first place vote. His first place

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Speaker 2: vote went to Justin Herbert, and the idea behind this

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Speaker 2: is essentially what he's leaning tough, is what Justin Herbert

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Speaker 2: had around him, the lack of protection, and if he

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Speaker 2: were given the same compliment of weapons around him in

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Speaker 2: protection that he would put up those type of numbers

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Speaker 2: as well. Is that the gist of it. Would you say,

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Speaker 2: what is your thought of that thinking from Sam Monson?

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Speaker 2: Because this is obviously blown up nationally from Sam Monson.

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Speaker 2: Sam's explanation in revealing of his vote has gone ridiculously viral,

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Speaker 2: nine million views on Twitter, his address has been posted

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Speaker 2: on Reddit, He's been threatened, he's getting deathly reaction to

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Speaker 2: this Number one is absurd, and I just appreciate that

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Speaker 2: Sam was willing to put it out there and say, Hey,

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Speaker 2: here was my reasoning. And you want to know why

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Speaker 2: people don't want transparency and Hall of Fame voting is

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Speaker 2: because of reactions like this. Yep. But he posted that

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Speaker 2: Justin Herbert had the worst offensive line in the NFL

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Speaker 2: all season, and despite that he was working miracles in

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Speaker 2: almost every game. Stafford's offensive line became two fifths as

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Speaker 2: bad as Herbert's for five minutes and he became a turnover. Howitzer,

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Speaker 2: Herbert embodied the word value, so he was looking at

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Speaker 2: it from a very literal point of view in terms

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Speaker 2: of the value that Justin Herbert brought to his team

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Speaker 2: as compared to the value that Matt Stafford brought to

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Speaker 2: his team with the supporting cast around him. And that's

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Speaker 2: an argument that I'm willing to accept, Like, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that makes sense to me. The reason why people are

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Speaker 2: mad is because that one vote was the difference between

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Speaker 2: Stafford winning it and Drake May winning it. That's how

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Speaker 2: close it was, and so that's where the anger comes from. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And that that's the thing, like, why in this country

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Speaker 2: can we not just have a civilized reaction and say,

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Speaker 2: you know what, maybe I don't disagree, but I can

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Speaker 2: see Sam's thought process and I respect his thought process correct,

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Speaker 2: But we can't do that in this country anymore.

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Speaker 12: Some of us.

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Speaker 2: It resorts to what to hate to threats. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're talking about threatning a man's life because of who

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Speaker 2: he voted for for MVP. Crazy, that's how crazy this is.

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Speaker 2: And the replies that that have flooded in, and Sam

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Speaker 2: has comment on a bunch of them, He's retweeted a

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Speaker 2: bunch of them, so you could go to to Sam

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Speaker 2: monson and and uh and see his ex and where

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Speaker 2: this is posted at sam monson NFL. But I understand

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Speaker 2: and I respect his reasoning. I don't agree with it

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Speaker 2: in the voting process, but I can see how he

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Speaker 2: got to that conclusion. And you know, again, these votes

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Speaker 2: are taken before the playoffs start, so you can't hold

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Speaker 2: of into account what's happened in the playoffs and Drake

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Speaker 2: May now playing for a Super Bowl. Those votes were

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Speaker 2: already taken and already cast. But it's just it's you

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Speaker 2: want to talk about the wild wild West man. Here

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Speaker 2: he is, he puts his name on it, he gives

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Speaker 2: his reasoning, he gives his explanation. And to your point,

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Speaker 2: if it's not a close vote, you're probably it's probably

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Speaker 2: not a big as big of a deal as it

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Speaker 2: is now. But the fact that it could have single

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Speaker 2: handedly changed who wins MVP, obviously it has a little

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Speaker 2: bit more power. But I appreciate the honesty and for

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Speaker 2: Sam Monson to take a stand on on where he's at.

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Speaker 2: With that, we'll talk about the Hall of Fame announcement

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Speaker 2: and when we get into our number three. For now

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Speaker 2: we'll break. We'll get to Charlie Goldsmith next on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike, Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Here we go our number two. Since he three to sixty.

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station, Austin. We hope that

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Speaker 2: the phone lines are capable of enough to at least

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Speaker 2: connect us with our guy, Charlie Goldsmith here right. I

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Speaker 2: think I think it works, Charlie. Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 14: Tony?

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Speaker 2: Is that you, Charlie? It's so good to hear your voice,

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Speaker 2: a voice of reason and leadership in these times? How's

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Speaker 2: why would you go right there, Charlie? Why would you

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Speaker 2: dive right into that? If there's one guy an ally

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Speaker 2: that I think I have that I'm going to talk to,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be you. So I'll ask you, then,

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Speaker 2: what'd you make of Wes Miller's post game comments last

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Speaker 2: night and the emotion behind them?

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Speaker 15: I wished it Over the last five years, I got

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Speaker 15: to get a better feel for Wes as a as

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Speaker 15: a person. One of the things that are important to him?

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Speaker 15: What are his interests? Just because now you see a

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Speaker 15: guy who it feels like you barely got to know,

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Speaker 15: You barely got to know really what his basketball philosophy were,

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Speaker 15: and then kind of what his whole approach short building

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Speaker 15: this whole thing was going to be. You have all that,

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Speaker 15: and then you feel like it's already over and it

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Speaker 15: you never really got to experience the real thing. So,

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Speaker 15: oh no, those are my emotions with UC basketball. I

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Speaker 15: was there as well.

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Speaker 2: It was a tough one, very tough. Let's just also

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Speaker 2: clear this up because I know you sent out a

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Speaker 2: tweet about it as well. Ellie de la Cruz, wasn't

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Speaker 2: just joy riding on a dart bike, right, that was

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Speaker 2: just a video shoot and then he got off the bike.

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Speaker 15: You've got all the information I got. There was a

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Speaker 15: video with him all about the Reds. Brad Metterer, through

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Speaker 15: me put out a statement. Talk to Ellie. Ellie was

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Speaker 15: just doing a video, is what Brad told me, the.

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Speaker 2: Reds and the World Baseball Classic. I know Suarez is

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Speaker 2: going to go play. Suarez is a proven commodity. You

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Speaker 2: know what you're getting out of Suarez. You know where

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Speaker 2: he's going to be in the lineup. Talk to me

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Speaker 2: a little bit about Edwin Arroyo, because here's a guy

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Speaker 2: that plays a spot in the field where the Reds

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Speaker 2: need some depth after moving on from Gavin Lux and

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Speaker 2: while spring training is going to be happening, Edwin Arroyo

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Speaker 2: will be participating in the World Baseball Classic. How do

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Speaker 2: you feel about kind of towing that line if you're

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Speaker 2: Edwin Arroyo of trying to make a roster spot but

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Speaker 2: also playing for your country.

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Speaker 15: I think if you could have given me one Reds prospect,

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Speaker 15: who I would want the most in the World Baseball Classic,

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Speaker 15: it would be him. I don't view him as a

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Speaker 15: guy who's competing first bottle the team. I kind of

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Speaker 15: view him and roll your eyes. Obviously this guy didn't

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Speaker 15: work out, But to me, he feels in a similar

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Speaker 15: spot right now to the spot that Jose Barrero was

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Speaker 15: in entering twenty twenty one. Of course, debuted in twenty

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Speaker 15: but that was its own thing. But starting the year

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Speaker 15: in triple A, let's see how hot the back gets.

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Speaker 15: If there's a need at at Arroyo's position in the

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Speaker 15: middle infield, he's they view as important organizational depths. You know,

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Speaker 15: if nobody wants this, but Afelly rolls his ankle and

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Speaker 15: it's dune. Edward will be an option. But then as

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Speaker 15: hot as he gets offensively will determine kind of his

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Speaker 15: timeline to make the team. And he's a fascinating guy.

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Speaker 15: But I'll just kind of say this too. With the

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Speaker 15: World Baseball Classic, Puerto Rico had all of the the

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Speaker 15: insurance problems. They were impacted the most. They're hosting. This

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Speaker 15: was gonna be a huge year for them, but then

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Speaker 15: Correa and Lindor, two short stops, couldn't get insured. So

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Speaker 15: no pressure. Kid Edwin Arroyo thrown into a team hosting

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Speaker 15: with high expectations because they've got a lot of talent

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Speaker 15: playing a premium position. It'll be a good chance for

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Speaker 15: him to really stretch himself and see where he's at.

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Speaker 2: Ellie day la Cruz the expected jump in the leap

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Speaker 2: that he can take year to year in his progression

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Speaker 2: as a Major League baseball player. And obviously there were

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Speaker 2: the injuries last year that he was playing through. So

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Speaker 2: he's going to start the season healthy. He's got another

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Speaker 2: full offseason under his belt, and now he has protection

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Speaker 2: in the lineup that he hasn't had in years past.

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Speaker 2: Where do you put the ceiling, Charlie on the type

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Speaker 2: of season Ellie day La Cruz can have. Could we

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Speaker 2: at the very top of it? Could you talk about

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Speaker 2: a guy in MVP considerations or what's that ceiling in

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Speaker 2: your opinion?

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Speaker 15: I mean, he was an MVP Conversations in twenty twenty

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Speaker 15: four on the lower end of the top ten, but

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Speaker 15: I mean in the way he was playing for the

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Speaker 15: first top at twenty five was a top five to

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Speaker 15: top ten MVP level performance. We've seen it. I think

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Speaker 15: Suarez makes his life.

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Speaker 16: A lot easier.

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Speaker 15: I think what you felt so much from Ellie and

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Speaker 15: the underdiscussed thing of his second half was all right,

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Speaker 15: we know he had the quad, we know he had

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Speaker 15: the mechanical stuff he was working through. But then a

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Speaker 15: part of it as well was a guy who was

858
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Speaker 15: stuck on nineteen homers, who the worst slump of his life,

859
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 15: who had to carry a team, and you could feel

860
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,959
Speaker 15: that like it was tough on Ellie individually, and having

861
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 15: a guy in Suarez, both logistically and kind of emotionally

862
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 15: behind him in the lineup, I think takes a lot

863
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 15: of pressure off him and I think makes it realistic

864
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 15: when you add in the help as well to I mean,

865
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 15: I expect a career year from Elli in twenty twenty six.

866
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: Andrew Abbott, one of the best pitchers on this staff

867
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: last year, is one of those players that maybe could

868
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 2: be in line to get an extension done. And the

869
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: Reds have done this in the past. They've tried to

870
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: do it with others. You see teams in Major League

871
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 2: Baseball get out of this a lot as well. Does

872
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: Andrew Abbot and an extension does that become a reality

873
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: between now and Opening Day and your opinion it could.

874
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 15: Extension conversations in baseball are really difficult to nail down.

875
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 15: What I know is the Reds have talked to a

876
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 15: lot of these guys. The markets for extensions are very

877
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 15: kind of fickle when you bake an arbitration and kind

878
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 15: of the change math, plus how some mystery collecting bargaining

879
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 15: agreement that would come next year could shake up kind

880
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 15: of the math of how guys on their rookie contracts

881
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 15: get paid. But I know they're red You're interested in

882
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 15: a lot of their young guys. I would assume MAP

883
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 15: it's a part of that as well. But these conversations

884
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 15: typically very quietly happen around the league and with the

885
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 15: Reds after the guy gets to spring training, and then

886
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 15: you see them wrapped up around April, before or after

887
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 15: Opening Day. So I would bet the conversations kind of

888
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 15: follow a similar timeline and we'll see if something gets

889
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 15: done or something doesn't get done.

890
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 2: We heard from Nick Crawl talking about spring training reps,

891
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: and while we just mentioned Edwin Arroyo's absence, South Stewart

892
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: is going to get reps at first, second, third, Spencer

893
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: Steeer is gonna get reps at first and second, and

894
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 2: in the outfield as well, and left and right field.

895
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 2: What does this all mean for Matt McClain. Is this

896
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: in order to justify maybe the least being shorter for

897
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 2: Mount McLain. Is it just built in to get these

898
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: guys reps to Is anything that's happening or what we've

899
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 2: heard from Nick Crawl directly impact Matt maclain in your opinion.

900
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 15: That's the guy. It was just a question that we've

901
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 15: talked about before, is who's going to be the backup

902
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 15: second basement on the day where Matt needs off or

903
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 15: when Ellen needs off and Matt moves to short. Now

904
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 15: if it's May and he's hitting one ninety again, you know,

905
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 15: let's open a conversation. But how many times have we

906
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 15: heard the emphasis the emphasis that the Reds are placing

907
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 15: on defense set the Cabrian Hayes straight and a bunch

908
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 15: of other examples as well, that emphasis on defense. One

909
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 15: of the biggest pieces of that is having an elite

910
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 15: defender at a premium position in second basement Matt McLain

911
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 15: and then and this applies to a Row as well,

912
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 15: And I didn't get to say this when I was

913
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 15: talking about him. With both of those guys. Something that's

914
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 15: just a fact in baseball is that guys aren't themselves

915
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 15: in their first full year back from shoulder surgery or

916
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 15: remember I wrote about this in twenty twenty four when

917
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 15: that had just had the surgery, and that was a

918
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 15: part of the story of his twenty twenty five season.

919
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 15: You sawn, and with that one as well, you saw

920
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,479
Speaker 15: the exit of a lost These climb over the course

921
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 15: of the year, and I think the expectation is they're

922
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 15: more back to their real self. I think McClain should

923
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 15: be a top half of the order guy by the

924
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 15: second half of the season. I'm a McClain guy, but

925
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 15: there's no competition right now for that starting second base spot.

926
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: As you get set to go out to Arizona, Charlie,

927
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: is there anything kind of under the radar that maybe

928
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: has slipped through the cracks that maybe we haven't talked

929
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 2: about very much that you're interested in finding out about

930
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 2: about this ball club.

931
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 15: I think the hidden kind of guy is the Welby

932
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 15: Marthe when you look at the difference between the ceiling

933
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 15: and the floor. You look at the fact that, I

934
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 15: mean even last year, you know, wasn't an unbelievable season,

935
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 15: but the fact that Loby was carrying this team. But

936
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 15: then he was cool in September and he got a

937
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 15: few days off, including one of the playoffs as well.

938
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 15: So like who he is with his first full year

939
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 15: and right field, the style of hitter he wants to be.

940
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 15: Kind of a mistake he made in twenty four was

941
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 15: chasing stardom by chasing power as opposed to you know,

942
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 15: he got away from the opposite field approach. That's such

943
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 15: a good foundation for his team. So when you look

944
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 15: at all, right, like how are the Reds actually going

945
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 15: to contend? They need stars and you know, Gino's great,

946
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 15: but it's Ellie, it's really McLane and it's Marte as

947
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 15: guys who have to be capable of carrying this offense

948
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 15: for the Reds to really do it.

949
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,439
Speaker 2: I kind of want to go back to, like the

950
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 2: the extension thing there. I'm fascinated by what happened with

951
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 2: the Tigers and Trek school Ball and maybe the trickle

952
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 2: down effect that has does that maybe encourage a pitcher

953
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 2: to wait to sign an extension seeing that that a

954
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 2: guy like school Ball has won. I mean, obviously the

955
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: guy that comes to mind is Paul Skeins, but also

956
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: thinking of it in the terms of the Reds, do

957
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: you think that would encourage guys to wait before signing

958
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 2: an extension or No?

959
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 15: This is so complicated that there's so much I don't

960
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 15: understand about the arbitration process. And I think what you

961
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 15: saw with Scooble was it raised the ceiling for the

962
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 15: top top, top, top top pitchers who are going to

963
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 15: have what they would call in the arbitration process something

964
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 15: like special extemptions based on incredible accomplishments or something like that.

965
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 15: So like Scooble did set a precedent now where the

966
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 15: top guys are going to do much better in arbitration. Now,

967
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 15: how does that impact a guy like Nick Ladola, who

968
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 15: I think is really good but probably isn't going to

969
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 15: have any like unbelievable accomplishments like top three in cy

970
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 15: Young finish. You know, maybe maybe, but that's not kind

971
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 15: of the projection for Lodola right now for this year.

972
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 15: So you know wh I'm going with this. I don't

973
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 15: know whether or not it in patch just the upper

974
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 15: upper upper echelon, you know, or if it filters down

975
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 15: to your Nick Ladola and your abbit type.

976
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 2: Two other quick reds questions for you. Hector Rodriguez, and

977
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: I know he's highly viewed by this organization. Is he

978
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 2: kind of next on the list of guys that could

979
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: could make an impact on this roster.

980
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 15: I'm glad you asked about him, because I think he's

981
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,479
Speaker 15: a guy people need to talk about more. I think

982
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 15: his best lane to make the team out of spring

983
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 15: training kind of went away when they signed Suarez because

984
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 15: Suarez oldh and now szero play more left. But Hector

985
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 15: will be competing to make this team. Nick Cross told

986
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,479
Speaker 15: me this, and I know that for a fact because

987
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 15: on September first last year they were debating whether or

988
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 15: not to call up South or Hector Rodriguez. Everything we

989
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 15: saw from sallin September last year that could have been

990
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 15: Hector and a big part of the tiebreaker there was

991
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 15: just the fact that at the time Therets had already

992
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 15: had six outfielders. They were trying to get at best too,

993
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 15: so adding a seventh out fielder didn't make a ton

994
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 15: of sense. He's not ranked on top one hundred lists.

995
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 15: Because he's a smaller guy, he's not gonna be like

996
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 15: a forty home run guy, and he's got He's probably

997
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 15: an average to below average defender. But this guy brings

998
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 15: a confident, aggressive, go get you a swagger to the

999
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 15: batter's box. I kind of compare that to Nick Castiados,

1000
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 15: and he doesn't swing and miss. So my predict for

1001
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 15: him is that he's going to have one of those

1002
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 15: very buzzy camps. I think he's going to hit a lot,

1003
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 15: and you're gonna ask me a lot about him.

1004
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 17: In March.

1005
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 15: I wouldn't have him on the opening day projection, but

1006
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 15: then it's May, it's June. He'll play well in triple A,

1007
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 15: and then he'll come up in a regular role.

1008
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: Is there any part of his game that you think

1009
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: the organization wants to see him improve on, whether it's

1010
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 2: been over the course of this offseason or if it's

1011
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: in the minor leagues at the start of this season,

1012
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 2: do you think there's anything specific so too.

1013
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 15: Offensively, he's pretty advanced, but the thing with him has

1014
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 15: been he can hit any pitch. He's like the best

1015
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 15: bat ball hitter in baseball. But it's marginally and consistently,

1016
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 15: you know, incrementally shrinking the zone to make sure you're

1017
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 15: swing the strikes. Keep going with that process, and then

1018
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 15: really the defense. He came up as an infielder and

1019
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 15: was an infielder until about a couple of years ago.

1020
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 15: So just the nuances in the outfield, now, that was

1021
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 15: a part of why the Dominican Winner League was so

1022
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 15: good for him, to get those consistent reps in the outfield.

1023
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 15: He actually made a like an un believable play to

1024
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 15: win the championship in center field. So good on Hector

1025
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 15: for that kind of flashing with gloves. Terry friend Crone

1026
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 15: has mentioned this specifically with Hector wanting to see more

1027
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 15: in the field for him.

1028
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: Charlie. Lastly, on the Reds, I know it's still early February.

1029
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,959
Speaker 2: Who's your leader right now to fill that final role

1030
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: in the starting rotation.

1031
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 15: It's gonna be a competition, we all know, between Burns,

1032
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 15: Louder and Williamson. The way I look at it, and

1033
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 15: kind of a sense I get, is that it would

1034
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 15: just absolutely be a waste of everyone's time if Chase

1035
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 15: Burns dow another pitch in the minor leagues. I like,

1036
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 15: here's a hot take. I think Chase Burns might be

1037
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 15: the most talented pitcher on the team. I think he's

1038
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 15: in a good spot to make that job now. Every

1039
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 15: year have been doing this, there's a starter who's gotten

1040
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 15: hurt in spring or has been kind of set back,

1041
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 15: you know, delayed progression, like Andrew Rabbits starting last year

1042
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 15: on the IL. So you end up, you know, your

1043
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 15: competition on February fifth is of what your competition ends

1044
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 15: up being on April fifth. I think there's nothing wrong

1045
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 15: with having Rett Labor get a couple starts under his

1046
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 15: Belton triple A after just missing a full season. Same

1047
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,439
Speaker 15: with Brandon Williams, and he barely pitched since twenty twenty three.

1048
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 15: I give that edge to Burns. I think injuries will

1049
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 15: open it up. I will say, though, I'm nervous about

1050
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 15: the Red starting pitching depths kind of behind their top eight,

1051
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 15: and if that's something that comes up in like August,

1052
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 15: that could be a concern I have about this.

1053
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 18: Yeh.

1054
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: On the Bengals front, the Hall of Fame voting and

1055
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 2: announcement was made last night. It did not include Ken Anderson,

1056
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 2: it did not include Willie Anderson, and I feel like

1057
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: everyone in this day and age has a take on

1058
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame voting and how these things come

1059
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: to head. What's your view on this whole process, And

1060
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: obviously it hits closer to home in Cincinnati and Anderson

1061
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 2: ken n Willie are left out again, But what's just

1062
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: your take on the process of Hall of Fame voting.

1063
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 15: I think I have a better understanding of the arbitration

1064
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 15: syste and how that works, and then Hall of Fame

1065
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 15: voting in football it feels like a mess. How small

1066
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 15: it is is something that I don't quite understand. And

1067
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 15: every year it feels like they're surprises, and that trend

1068
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 15: continue this year. And obviously, kenam will you hope to

1069
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 15: see them in for everything they accomplished. And there are

1070
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 15: a lot of people much smarter and much more connected

1071
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 15: to their eras than I that would argue that. But

1072
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Speaker 15: I'm glad that this year has highlighted just the process

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01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 15: as a whole and has people talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl's coming up on Sunday, Charlie, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you've heard that or not. Seahawks are favored. We're

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Speaker 2: going to make our picks later in the show. We

1077
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 2: want to know who you're picking to win Super Bowl sixty.

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Speaker 15: I'm picking the Seahawks. This has been kind of my

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01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 15: favorite team in terms of just football x's and NO'SE

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01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 15: watching them in a while, and let's see if I

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01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 15: can come up with a bold prediction. I'm going to

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01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 15: say a Seahawks defensive back score the touchdown.

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Speaker 14: How about that?

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01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I like that. I like that was

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Speaker 2: your super Bowl MVP.

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Speaker 15: Super Bowl MVP. While I have a defensive back scoring

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Speaker 15: a touchdown.

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Speaker 4: Let me go with.

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Speaker 15: I can't quite do it. Let me go with Cooper Cup.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I could see.

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Speaker 15: The Patriots have the defensive backs to run with JS

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01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 15: and but can they kind of outsmart them and outsavvy

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Speaker 15: them and kind of go when they make you go

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Speaker 15: to your number two, go to your number two? And

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Speaker 15: Cooper Cup kind of does it again?

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Speaker 2: Have there been multiple Super Bowl MVPs for a wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking Jerry Rice might be the only one.

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Speaker 15: I don't know. I got nothing.

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Speaker 2: This is just a thought.

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Speaker 15: Not a Super Bowl history guy. I watch every year,

1101
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 15: but I never quite got into the whole like, watch

1102
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 15: the Super Bowl documentary thing to catch me up on

1103
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,959
Speaker 15: the sixty seventies. Eighties and night. I know they're great.

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01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 15: I just have a mor under it.

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Speaker 2: We finally something different between us. We heard earlier in

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01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: the week Jamar Chase and t Higgins kind of outlined

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01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 2: their perfect offseason with Jeffrey Simmons and Max Crosby. Is

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01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: that something you'd be on board with, Charlie, both of

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01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 2: those defenders to this defense.

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Speaker 15: I don't see how the Bengals have the picks to

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01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 15: make a deal like that done. I can tell you this,

1112
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Speaker 15: like if there were like a Madden style fantasy draft

1113
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Speaker 15: and the Bengals were picking, like among the whole league,

1114
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 15: Max Crosby would be very very very very high on

1115
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 15: their board. Like he is a guy, and so with

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01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 15: Simons of course, but like Krogby is a guy specifically

1117
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Speaker 15: who I know they love. But for a team that

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01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 15: needs to get young and stay young and add long

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01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 15: term upside on defense, I don't see they're having the

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Speaker 15: picks to get that deal done. But they do love Krowns.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite Winter Olympic event that you

1122
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 2: like to watch?

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Speaker 15: You know, that's another thing I don't check the box one.

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Speaker 15: I got nothing Winter Olympics. I got nothing. Nascar. I

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Speaker 15: hope everyone enjoyed it. I almost did a story once

1126
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 15: on the best curler in the city Cincinnati, but that

1127
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 15: didn't quite work out. Other than that, it's probably just

1128
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 15: because that was never a skier, snowboarder or anything like that.

1129
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 15: I just never got into the winter lifting fair enough.

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Speaker 2: Charlie Goldsmith, what is uh, what's the easiest way? And

1131
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: I gotta imagine it's how how difficult? At times? Does

1132
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 2: it become dealing with guys like Jeremy Row and Joe

1133
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 2: Daniman so often a call? Yeah?

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01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 18: I know.

1135
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: Do they bother you during calls?

1136
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1137
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: They send us, They send us pictures of you while

1138
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 2: you're on the phone with us.

1139
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,439
Speaker 15: I did see Joe thought he was being sneaky taking

1140
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 15: that photo, but but I saw it. I was ready

1141
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 15: to the moment.

1142
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 2: Is Joe Okay understanding that his warriors have kind of

1143
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: just thrown in the white towel on Steph Curry's career?

1144
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 15: Oh wow, I thought you were just asking if Joe

1145
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 15: Okay in general, and I can answer that. I like

1146
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 15: that the warriors are going out nobly, They're still trying

1147
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 15: to win. They're letting steps, you know, entertain the masses,

1148
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 15: which is what he should do as opposed to doing

1149
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 15: what like the Bucks have done and just being paralyzed

1150
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 15: by your own fear of your star.

1151
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: Wow, well, said Charlie. The easiest way to follow along

1152
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 2: with everything I know you're getting ready to go to

1153
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 2: spring training, reds, bangles and everything in between. The easiest

1154
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 2: way is what.

1155
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 15: Charlie's shockboard on Substack and on Fox nineteen and then

1156
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 15: over on the Power Stacks podcast. You got a big

1157
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 15: show on Monday, first day of spring training. I have

1158
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 15: a lot of interviews from Goodyear Arizona. You'll hear from

1159
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 15: the guys, vibes and expectations. You're going to be the

1160
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 15: focus getting things off started.

1161
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Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome stuff, Charlie. We always appreciate your time. Have

1162
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: a great weekend. Thank you, See you guys. There he

1163
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: is Charlie Goldsmith. I'm surprised Charlie's not an Olympic guy.

1164
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: I'm not. He puts too much effort into other things

1165
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 2: fair apparently not super Bowl history. That's also true. That's

1166
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 2: one of shock That's one of my nerdy things. I

1167
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 2: love super Bowls. I love talkbacks. Talkbacks happen when we

1168
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 2: return the Friday edition. I'm sure there won't be any

1169
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 2: UC related talkbacks at all today on ESPN fifteen thirty

1170
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station.

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01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 19: At that time for talkbacks, press the microphone and record

1172
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 19: your message for Austin in.

1173
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 2: Tone, please keep it clean and don't be mean, and.

1174
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 19: A sprinkle, sprinkle, drip drip.

1175
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 2: It's that time for talkbacks.

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01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 19: It's our favorite part of Sincy three sixty.

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Speaker 10: So Austin, buddy, play those.

1178
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 19: Talkbacks on your screen and please ride now to sabotage.

1179
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: All right, here we go Friday a distant talkbacks, ESPN

1180
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1181
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 19: No, I'm not proud to be a bear cat.

1182
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 2: Butt at least that No Humphrey from half into gold

1183
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 2: games and spend Harden money.

1184
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 20: But alas its sand up next to you, call for

1185
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 20: missus head.

1186
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 2: No, I'm not proud to be.

1187
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 10: A bear Cat.

1188
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 8: Let's put this season on the bed.

1189
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 21: Let's play for pride.

1190
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 2: Let's tough. That's tough. There's been a lot. There's been

1191
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: times before where I've Wes kind of gave us the

1192
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 2: green light, he said, we're allowed to say whatever we want.

1193
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 2: There's been times I'm kind of up and down on

1194
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 2: looking forward to talk backs. It's rare. This might be

1195
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:17,919
Speaker 2: a dark day.

1196
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 19: Hello, this is former President Ronald Reriggan and will The

1197
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 19: filibuster of local sports misery continued last night with a

1198
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 19: double gut punch. First we saw Wes and the Boys

1199
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 19: lay a second half egg bigger than William Howard Taft.

1200
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 19: Then we were once again sent to bed without Ken

1201
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 19: Anderson making the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Now I'm

1202
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 19: hearing the soccer seasons about to start again. I don't

1203
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 19: know if I can take much more fellas I got

1204
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 19: to drop out of the race.

1205
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I had found out earlier in the

1206
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 2: week that Ken Anderson didn't make it, and I was

1207
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 2: really like holding on to hope that Willie would get in.

1208
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 2: I really thought Willie Anderson was getting in, and then

1209
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 2: he hooted that tweet and I was just hoping that

1210
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: it was just like, Okay, he's just trying to get us. Yeah,

1211
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 2: he's just trying to mess with everybody. And then I

1212
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, well, maybe Ted Carras will win the

1213
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 2: Man of the Year award. He didn't do that. Tough

1214
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 2: tough night.

1215
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 22: Dimple Ball update for ADDI safe bet Scottie Elmore Scotti

1216
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 22: is outs this man is probably gonna withdraw today too

1217
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 22: much ego, just like his fans. Wow, simple ball boys

1218
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 22: took Chris gott He up fifty to one on Wednesday,

1219
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 22: which gets you a cool ten X today. If you

1220
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 22: cash out, I say take that down, keep half for

1221
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 22: the super Bowl. Put half on Hideki Matsuyama. Hideki's got

1222
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 22: more rounds underpar than anybody else in the field. He

1223
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 22: played in the afternoon yesterday when the wind was high,

1224
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 22: sixteen to one.

1225
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 2: Let's get it now, when was that talkback left? Nine

1226
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Speaker 2: to sixteen? Am? Now, I will give the Dimple boy

1227
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 2: his credit because since that talkback has left, Hideki Matsuyama

1228
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 2: is seven under through thirteen holes today. Wow, he now leads.

1229
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 2: Chris got her up, doesn't t off until three o'clock.

1230
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 2: He did with her. He's in second. So it's up, guys, Kentucky.

1231
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 2: We're we're we're trending in the right direction now. A

1232
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 2: little disappointing because Dipple Boy sent a photo earlier with

1233
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 2: John Daly. He's golfing and John Daly is with him today,

1234
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 2: and yet John Daly didn't leave a talkback. That's a

1235
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 2: little disappointing.

1236
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 7: It's up, guys, big Kahunaigh Kentucky Boy West Miller's did

1237
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 7: it to us again any tone. This guy will never

1238
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 7: get another job the way he acts, and it's.

1239
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 2: Time to bring in Jared Calhoun.

1240
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Speaker 7: But let me tell you something, now, Tony, let me

1241
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 7: tell you Jered Calhoun. He's got assist and he took

1242
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 7: from the NKU named Eric House pretty much runs his

1243
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 7: defense out there.

1244
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 2: That guy's a punk. He's a duet.

1245
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 7: I've had some personal interaction with him. He played on

1246
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 7: the Kent State Oh two. He's eight eighteen, but he's

1247
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 7: a punk, first class punk. I'll run his day through

1248
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 7: the mud the whole time he's at UC. I hope

1249
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 7: he don't bring in with him. He's a punk.

1250
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 2: Wow. Now I'm not completely sold on Calhoun yet, but

1251
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 2: I have a short list. Sorry for the.

1252
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 7: Double dim, but you know the reason I did like

1253
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 7: Wes Miller started when he had the nerve to charge

1254
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 7: the kids forty five dollars at his camp for a

1255
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 7: picture with him that wasn't included it in the camp

1256
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 7: price for little kids.

1257
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 2: You hadn't pay an extra forty five with miss Miller.

1258
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 7: But when he's going up to the fans apologizing you

1259
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 7: deserve this, deserve more during that. If I get some

1260
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 7: of your money back, guy, Jim Harball, I'll give him

1261
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 7: credit for one day he stood on business at Michigan.

1262
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 2: He wouldn't win it. He gave some of that salary back.

1263
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 14: Hey, Wes Miller gives the salary back.

1264
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 7: Give the forty five dollars you charged the kids.

1265
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 2: For that picture of you. Okay, Wow, Jim Harball was

1266
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 2: so negatively affected by losing that he began to cheat,

1267
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 2: and he's besearched the name of Michigan. Not that it

1268
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 2: was much to begin with, but think about you know,

1269
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 2: maybe that's what Wes Miller is going to do. If

1270
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 2: you don't move on now, maybe he'll start to cheat

1271
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 2: now and then you really run the program through the month.

1272
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 2: If if you were wondering on the previous talkback, what

1273
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: my short list is? Jared Calhoun, Josh Shurtz, the court

1274
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 2: of the coach at Saint Louis. And then Bruce name

1275
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 2: is t yep, Bruce Pearl.

1276
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 23: Hey, fat Nation, this is Quinn Remoakley, but today I'm

1277
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 23: Quinn the groom. WHOA So I thought about Attie and

1278
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 23: his love for football weather my bride love the idea

1279
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 23: of having the winter wedding and having.

1280
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 14: The chill in the air.

1281
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 23: But when the snow dropped this morning, it was perfect.

1282
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 23: Talk mcnason, hope you enjoy your Super Bowl weekend and

1283
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 23: go back.

1284
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 2: Well, congratulations Quinn football weather wedding, I mean a perfectly

1285
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 2: snow capped man cozy wedding. So it's nice too because

1286
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 2: the snow's is, it's moving out. There's no more forecasting,

1287
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 2: so you get the nice white wedding the same clean

1288
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 2: layer of snow at the same time you can clean

1289
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 2: it all out. And then I heard that Quinn is

1290
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 2: serving ridge rush on tap. Oh that's true.

1291
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 24: Wow, Hey guys, Jeff and the rich Happy Friday?

1292
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 2: Is it so?

1293
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 24: My Super Bowl prediction, I'm gonna go Seahawks twenty one

1294
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 24: third team.

1295
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 2: Wow, Tony.

1296
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 24: As far as our bearcatsker, can we please do one thing?

1297
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 24: Can we please just stop doing after game press conferences

1298
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 24: with the coach. I would eliminate his weekly radio show

1299
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,560
Speaker 24: as well. There's nothing to hear anymore.

1300
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 2: Ticket. Yeah, this is it's I don't know, it's tough

1301
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 2: another year.

1302
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 20: And that was laughing the face to Ken Anderson and

1303
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 20: Willie Anderson. Ye, nobody more deserving than these guys in

1304
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 20: my opinion, on the palette right now, I mean, just

1305
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 20: two of the all time greats that their physicians up

1306
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 20: against the other guys that got in just just absolutely pathetic.

1307
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 20: I'm almost convinced they can have an a war for

1308
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 20: the best Bengal player of the year and they give

1309
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 20: it to another player from another team. Have a good week,

1310
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 20: and everybody, stay safe, stay warm, go.

1311
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 25: Read you too, Kevin, thank you, Yeah, Greg, Sharon bille Trench,

1312
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 25: you know, Tony Wow. I was after the third last

1313
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 25: night and typical emotions shocked away the game and it

1314
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 25: also pissed off. But you know, the more I thought

1315
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 25: about a ride home, just kind of said that on

1316
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 25: February sixth, twenty twenty six, this is where Barricad basketball

1317
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 25: is to just too.

1318
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 2: Much, right. I wish, I genuinely wish I could turn

1319
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 2: it off. I wish I could just not care, not

1320
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 2: turn it on, not worry about results. I wish I

1321
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 2: was like that, And it does. It affects me, It

1322
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 2: bothers me. But yeah, it's a bad feeling where you

1323
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 2: just get into February and you have no chance of

1324
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 2: making the NCAA tournament. That's tough. Hello, Hello, is this

1325
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 2: thing on?

1326
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 18: Hello?

1327
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 2: Yep, we're here.

1328
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 26: Good afternoon, Wes Miller, and U see you need to

1329
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 26: find some way to part in a friendly way. I

1330
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 26: don't buy Willie Anderson doesn't get in because he played

1331
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 26: on some bad teams. I think that speaks more to

1332
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,719
Speaker 26: his character than anything, that he put that much effort

1333
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 26: in on bad teams. And I'm really tired about hearing

1334
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 26: ow Ken Anderson didn't win the Super Bowl when he

1335
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 26: didn't call the brunning place, and he retires the best

1336
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 26: quarterback in the AFC.

1337
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't buy the whole anti Bengal bias. Yeah,

1338
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 2: I'm not there. I don't really buy all that, but

1339
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 2: I get where some people are coming from.

1340
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 15: Tony Bestick.

1341
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 23: It's the abomab mail man out here in this winter wonderland,

1342
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 23: trying to get from.

1343
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 2: Point A to point bye. I get it right. It's

1344
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 2: been a long time, a lot of stuff going on

1345
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 2: around here. Just wanted to.

1346
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 16: Say much love of you guys, still listening, just not

1347
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 16: calling it as much.

1348
01:13:56,360 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 27: Sorry, and you guys have another best day ever.

1349
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 2: Well, thank you.

1350
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 4: Wow.

1351
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 2: Enjoy the weather, Carl, enjoy the weather.

1352
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 28: Shooting too, Tony, I'm curious on your thoughts on the

1353
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 28: comparison of Wes and Zach in the eyes of their

1354
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 28: own fan bases. Both seem to be genuinely good people,

1355
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 28: both not bringing the results that either of the fan

1356
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 28: bases want to get seen at home. Just curious your

1357
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 28: thoughts on that comparison.

1358
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's spot on. You know, I I

1359
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 2: kind of took it in the same sense, and and

1360
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 2: I know Austin recorded and he's got a video out,

1361
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 2: but you know, in in what you Austin portrayed in

1362
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 2: your video is I think the same conversation around Zach

1363
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 2: Taylor with the Bengals. Good dude, great, great person off

1364
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 2: the field. Players coach three straight losing seasons with this

1365
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 2: roster and it's not good enough. There are, in my opinion,

1366
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 2: comparisons to both. Yeah, I disagree with that little bit.

1367
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 2: I don't think what I don't think Zach Taylor is

1368
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 2: the biggest issue with the Bengals. I think Wes Miller

1369
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 2: is the biggest issue with the Bearcats.

1370
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 29: U UC fans are being mean to my boy West Miller.

1371
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 29: The Big twelve is a hard conference. I think that

1372
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 29: you guys should give him at least five, maybe six seven, eight,

1373
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 29: nine more years, he'll figure it out.

1374
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like how I thought about James

1375
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 2: Franklin at Penn State at Michigan. Keep around.

1376
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 6: Okay, so we're talking to Super Bowl food and I

1377
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,759
Speaker 6: gotta rank them them. But there's two things are way

1378
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 6: too strong of the choice. I gotta not put on

1379
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,719
Speaker 6: the list with your chicken wings and skyline depth.

1380
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 2: Can't be on the list.

1381
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 4: But rank them.

1382
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 6: These three spinach artischip dep that has a little bread

1383
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 6: pieces that you dip in it. The next one's pigs

1384
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 6: and a blanket, and the last one's loaded potato skins.

1385
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 2: I'm starting the potato skins or I'll rank those number one. Uh,

1386
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 2: I'll bench the spinach article artichoke dip. I could crush

1387
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 2: some of that, and then I'll cut the pigs in

1388
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 2: a blanket. I eat the potato skins. I won't touch

1389
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 2: the other two. So those my rankings.

1390
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 6: Sorry for the double dip. I wanted to follow up

1391
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 6: on my food super Bowl Food. If you ever been

1392
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 6: to a party where someone's obviously double dipping, how did

1393
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 6: you handle that situation?

1394
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 2: I just stopped eating that food. Yeah, yep, yeah, it's

1395
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 2: like you know, I don't know what you get out

1396
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 2: of calling a person out, Like I have some people

1397
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 2: we work with that don't wash their hands when they

1398
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 2: go to the bathroom, and I've called them out on it,

1399
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 2: and they have some sick and twisted reason for not

1400
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 2: doing it. There can't be a reason for it, and

1401
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 2: there isn't. There's no reason, not a reason, fellas. You

1402
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 2: know what I'm the most tired of.

1403
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 30: Yeah, I'm get tired of the brand that has become

1404
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 30: Cincinnati basketball. Can't score the ball in long stretches, can't

1405
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 30: make free throws, can't close out games.

1406
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 2: It's certainly been true of the Miller.

1407
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 30: Era, and at sometimes there's there's a pretty big pile

1408
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 30: of games where it was true for Cronin got a change.

1409
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 31: Yep, man, it's time for the breakup. Repping the city

1410
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 31: out here in sunny hots on body war. Last night's

1411
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 31: game was painful to watch last night team point lead

1412
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 31: and all of a sudden poof it evaporated. Wes Man,

1413
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 31: Hearing you last night was painful. You had me for

1414
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 31: a second there, but I shook my head and came

1415
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 31: back to reality, like, no, man, we gotta go times up.

1416
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 31: The breakup is real. It was fun. It was fun

1417
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 31: while lasted, but it's time to change.

1418
01:17:59,640 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 2: It's a.

1419
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,839
Speaker 32: Hi guys, Happy Friday. Hey, I've been to three places

1420
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 32: this morning so far. That and my phone that has

1421
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 32: uh been wacky.

1422
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,639
Speaker 2: Oh so just saying, all right.

1423
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 4: Looking forward to the super Bowl.

1424
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 32: Go Pats and I won one hundred and eighty dollars

1425
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 32: on Old Matthew last night.

1426
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 17: Wow.

1427
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 2: All right, guys, have a great weekend.

1428
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 32: Please be safe.

1429
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 2: Okay, pockets getting heavy for all.

1430
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 33: All right, I'm not even gonna talk about that performance

1431
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 33: last night and that joke of a coach, but Austin

1432
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,480
Speaker 33: your a hot mic yesterday.

1433
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 2: Gave me a chuckle.

1434
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 33: He had a big yawn and he said, we'll take

1435
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 33: this thing all the way to too if you want.

1436
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 18: Yeah.

1437
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 2: Every once in a while I pressed the wrong thing

1438
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 2: and most of the time I'm just sitting here in silence,

1439
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 2: and then I'll like, I'm gonna like, why is it

1440
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 2: so quiet? I looked down at my mic is still?

1441
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 2: But yeah, yesterday I yawned and communicated with you about

1442
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 2: the time, and uh, the world heard it.

1443
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 10: Yep, that' be Friday, Tony and Olson. It's Jim now,

1444
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 10: of nor would.

1445
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 2: Jim so the Reds.

1446
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 10: I think stand the best chance out of our three

1447
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 10: teams of giving us older fans some hardware a great season.

1448
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 10: And currently they may win eighty five or eighty six games,

1449
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 10: but I think they need a guy to replace the

1450
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 10: dude that's gonna hit two sixteen another guy. What's it

1451
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 10: gonna take? Courage? What makes a muskrit good? This musk courage?

1452
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 10: Love each ova, it's a Wizard of Oz preference. Thank

1453
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 10: you back again for a double love. How to come

1454
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 10: out south at this one? Yep, you know it does

1455
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 10: feel good out here. It's Sonny Sonny hot some sorry

1456
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 10: about that, y'all.

1457
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 31: Anyway, what is it with the NFL and the bias

1458
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 31: with the Bengals? I mean, we can't even get our

1459
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 31: best players in the Hall of Fame.

1460
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 2: Ken Anderson seld have been in the Hall of Fame

1461
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 2: a long time ago.

1462
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 4: Willie Anderson needs to be in the Hall of Fame.

1463
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 31: I mean, Corey did I can name off some Bengal

1464
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 31: players man, like, real tough.

1465
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 4: What is it with the Bengals They.

1466
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 2: Punished him because of the ownership, the way they run

1467
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 2: a team. I'm confused. Yeah, I'm kind of on Austin's

1468
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a vendetta because they just played

1469
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati. I really don't. But there are some things

1470
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 2: that make it increasingly harder to explain that happened. Or

1471
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,719
Speaker 2: don't Ellie on a dirt bike. Gotta be a big video.

1472
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 21: West Miller talking to fans postgame like he's about to

1473
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 21: cry real tears. Saw Tony at the Evandale reck he

1474
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 21: gets no buckets, campball, sam Munson b MVP vote calls

1475
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 21: in a ruckus.

1476
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 2: What I heard that you guys ran into each other

1477
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 2: playing some some rec league ball? Well, leeh By running in.

1478
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 2: I got to catch the end of their game where

1479
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 2: I saw Liam arguing with the rec league referee more

1480
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 2: than he was worried about what was happening on the court.

1481
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,799
Speaker 2: And he must have not stayed very lonely for prediction.

1482
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 13: Okleb downs if he's there.

1483
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:07,560
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, is this big hen But the D line.

1484
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 13: Oh my goodness, you've got orange, You've got a hunter.

1485
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 13: There's a lot of potential out there, cornerbacks, d Lin.

1486
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 13: I want to see that we can get that Lewis guy.

1487
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 13: Turn him into a safety. Check it out.

1488
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 2: I love it. I love He's just sitting back Biden

1489
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 2: his time studying the draft already.

1490
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 34: Yeah, won Super Bowl MVP. Cooper Cup, Ben Swann, Julian Edelman,

1491
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 34: Jerry Rice.

1492
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, You're missing the point multiple Super Bowl

1493
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 2: MVPs for a wide receiver because Cooper Cups won one.

1494
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 2: Let's say he wins it again, sure this Sunday, that

1495
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 2: would be two. I would assume Jerry Rice has two

1496
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,719
Speaker 2: at least, But I wonder know how many wide receivers

1497
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 2: have won multiple Super Bowl MVPs.

1498
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 12: Just a couple of odds and ends here. Did you

1499
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 12: guys see Lindsey Vaughn skiing the other day? Torn Al?

1500
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 12: I don't know how she's gonna do in her competition,

1501
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 12: nor do I care the fact that she's back to

1502
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 12: skiing at all after a week after tearing r a

1503
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 12: cl monster. Think short of unbelievable.

1504
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 2: Very excited for FC.

1505
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 12: Cincinnati and getting Tommy Tommy Tommy back on. When does

1506
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 12: that start up? Because their first game I believe is

1507
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 12: in like a week and a half and West needs

1508
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 12: to go.

1509
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 2: If that's the case, then we get Tommy Tommy Tommy

1510
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 2: next week. Hey Tony, how you doing?

1511
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 35: I just I just want to crack her and got

1512
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 35: some prairie form some milk, and on the back of

1513
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 35: it hit the Bearcat season, lost, some people, win some people.

1514
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 19: Where's Miller's got the Blues?

1515
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 2: Where's Mills got the Blue?

1516
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 8: You know?

1517
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 28: For a guy who doesn't like radio row, he sure

1518
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 28: tweets about them a lot.

1519
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 18: And Austin, I really hope you cut some of that

1520
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 18: sound bites from.

1521
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 23: Moe with whatever boy.

1522
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 3: He did at the hands the show after that, that

1523
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:20,600
Speaker 3: was hilarious.

1524
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes I think Moe actually hates this medium, Like

1525
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 2: I know he loves it profusely, but some of the

1526
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 2: ways he makes fun of people makes me think, like,

1527
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 2: do you like it? All the same industry doing the

1528
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 2: same thing.

1529
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 28: Hey, Tony, Hey, Austin, Melinda calling from Finnytown.

1530
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 19: Uh, all these talkbacks are pretty depressed and just want

1531
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 19: to talk about What about the national anthem? Last night?

1532
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:49,480
Speaker 10: It was beautiful.

1533
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 2: Guy on the saxophone. I was moved to tears.

1534
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 10: It was beautiful.

1535
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 2: Go bear last night pregame It's just great. Saxophone. Yes, yeah,

1536
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 2: that's he killed it. Yeah, saxophone national anthem is awesome.

1537
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 2: I think I've said this before. I went to DC

1538
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 2: for a Red's Nationals game, and the national anthem was

1539
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:16,440
Speaker 2: performed by a world champion whistler. Oh it was unbelievable,

1540
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 2: hey says, and since talented.

1541
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 36: It's a results big business in life, whether it's sports

1542
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 36: or whatever. Santa Claus is a happy, go lucky, jolly guy.

1543
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 36: If he doesn't get the presence delivered, it's over. I

1544
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,440
Speaker 36: don't care how many hoesy has.

1545
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 2: You gotta get it done. That's right, It's a hundred

1546
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 2: percent true. Man. I never was a fan of facial hair,

1547
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 2: but then it started to grow on me. Needed that.

1548
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 37: Yeah, Zach Taylor's a great guy. He won't give up

1549
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:01,560
Speaker 37: play calling. You won't hold himself a acountable for the defense.

1550
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 10: Fired.

1551
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 37: That's the kind of guy that if you're a co

1552
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 37: worker with him, you better watch your back. He'll put

1553
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 37: a good face on in front of everybody, but also

1554
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 37: get you fired.

1555
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 38: It's Lee Roy down here and foulmou man. How we're

1556
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 38: doing on this Friday? Oh man, whys I'm sorry, buddy.

1557
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 38: I like you, but we'll be seeing you down down

1558
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 38: the road. My friend, have a good one. Super Bowl.

1559
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 38: Bad Bunny's gonna be there. I don't know much about

1560
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 38: bad bunnies. I've been trying to brush up on my

1561
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 38: Spanish so I can live Levina Loca.

1562
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 2: So everybody enjoyed the weekend, See you next week.

1563
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 27: Thank youba anyway, awesome, awesome, quick question of course, question.

1564
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 4: Does what's up? Pimp?

1565
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 2: Does he wash his hands?

1566
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 32: Or does he actually make you lean forward to give

1567
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:03,640
Speaker 32: a fit pump with unclean hands?

1568
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 2: That would be terrible. I have a feeling that's the guy.

1569
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 2: You have an incredible memory. But what's up?

1570
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:10,759
Speaker 4: Pimp?

1571
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 5: Guy?

1572
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 2: Does not make me? Or he does wash his hands? Yes,

1573
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 2: he's he's cleanly, he's hygienic when it comes to that,

1574
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 2: and the uncomfortable fist bumps that required incredible movement by

1575
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 2: me are at least to clean hands.

1576
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 19: Double dipper, gipper here, Audie, I feel your pain when

1577
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 19: it comes to the hot mink.

1578
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 2: Okay, quick super Bowl prediction. I'm taking the Seahawks twenty

1579
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 2: six to twenty for Jake. What's your super Bowl prediction?

1580
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 35: Seahawks twenty seven, Patriots twenty four.

1581
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 2: Okay, he kind of copied me, didn't he?

1582
01:26:57,920 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 17: Wow?

1583
01:26:58,479 --> 01:26:59,799
Speaker 2: Thanks y, Thanks guys.

1584
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 34: Got in the car. Only hurt half an in that

1585
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 34: case zero not even Jerry himself has one.

1586
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 2: Multiple see this is why. This is why how my

1587
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 2: brain works. I knew something was up with I have

1588
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 2: a question for you, Tony.

1589
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 35: When's the last conversation you had with Brian Kelly?

1590
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 2: And do you have his cell phone number? I have

1591
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 2: a cell phone number, man, last conversation I texted him

1592
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 2: when we put on the benefit for my nephew when

1593
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 2: he was still coaching LSU, and he actually sent a

1594
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 2: sign football. Outside of that, I probably hadn't talked to

1595
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 2: him since he came back for the reunion a couple

1596
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 2: of years ago.

1597
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:48,759
Speaker 16: Tody, Austin, Steve and westg. You know you said range

1598
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 16: emotion on that equipment issue. Why it is wide? Why

1599
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 16: in the hell would you need a range emotion for

1600
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 16: a blocker. I mean he can reach left, he can

1601
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 16: reach right. Just close the gap, you'll have more success

1602
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 16: instead of using Joe for a.

1603
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 2: Trampline with what's he talking about? You're talking about shoulder

1604
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 2: pads and linemen. This is unbelievable. Okay, we're done. We'll

1605
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:24,680
Speaker 2: take a break that dude, I I he I'm just

1606
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 2: gonna stop. We're gonna finish up our number two. Next

1607
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 2: we'll get into our number three. Bob man Gen will

1608
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 2: join us right before we get to Moaggar and quick hits.

1609
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 2: We've got Hall of Fame to discuss. We've got the

1610
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 2: Super Bowl weekend with our picks to discuss. That comes

1611
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 2: up next, and UH, if we can get the phone

1612
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 2: lines going, we'll take some phone calls at five one, three,

1613
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 2: seven thirty at Cincy three sixty on the Home of

1614
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 2: the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 1: Station, Disney Pikes Since he three sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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01:28:56,200 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 20: Time Bomb these Kim the time.

1617
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 2: Welcome back Cincy three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1618
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening along on a Friday. We've got one

1619
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 2: more full hour to go. Uh, super Bowl weekend, we'll

1620
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,799
Speaker 2: make our picks. I got a couple quarterback related questions

1621
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 2: as it pertains to Sunday's game. We'll talk about the

1622
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, who's in, who's out, I look ahead

1623
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty seven and the voting process as a whole.

1624
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 2: We'll take your phone calls five one, three, seven, four nine,

1625
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. We'll talk to Bob Manjean and Mowagger. All

1626
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 2: of that happens in the next hour on the Home

1627
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 2: of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1628
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:49,520
Speaker 1: Men, this is Tony Pike, Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati.

1629
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:55,799
Speaker 1: From Cincinnati. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1630
01:29:56,520 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 2: Welcome back since he three to sixty. Thanks for listening

1631
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 2: on the Home of the Bengals ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

1632
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 2: Sports Station. We'll get to some of your phone calls.

1633
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 2: Our phone lines are our up and running, so we'll

1634
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,679
Speaker 2: take some phone calls here. As an hour two gets

1635
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 2: a little bit further underway, let's talk a little bit

1636
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 2: about the Pro Football Hall of Fame class of twenty

1637
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 2: twenty six. Those who did make the Hall of Fame.

1638
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 2: Drew Brees in his first year eligible is a Hall

1639
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 2: of Famer. Larry Fitzgerald in his first year eligible is

1640
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer as dominant at his position as

1641
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 2: you can get right here from Cincinnati, Ohio Saint Xavier

1642
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 2: High School to Boston College to the Carolina Panthers. Luke

1643
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 2: Keikley is a Hall of Famer. He is a seven

1644
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 2: time Pro Bowl selection, five time All Pro in an

1645
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 2: All Decade selection. Also, he was the Defensive Player of

1646
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 2: the Year in twenty thirteen. That was just his second

1647
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 2: year in the league. So he went Defensive Rookie of

1648
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 2: the Year and then Defensive Player of the Year. Played

1649
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,760
Speaker 2: all three downs, went sideline to sideline. He had one

1650
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 2: hundred tackles at least in all eight of his NFL seasons,

1651
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 2: led the league in tackling twice. And how about this,

1652
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 2: deflected sixty seven passes and had eighteen interceptions. Upon his retirement,

1653
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 2: Luke Keigley said, there was only one way to play

1654
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 2: the game since I was a little kid. Play fast,

1655
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 2: play physical, and play strong. So well deserving not only

1656
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 2: on the field, but for the person that he is

1657
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 2: off the field. Luke Keighley is a Hall of Famer,

1658
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 2: Adam Vineri is a Hall of Famer, and Roger Craig

1659
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 2: is a Hall of Famer. That unfortunately meant last night

1660
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:54,679
Speaker 2: that both Willie Anderson and Ken anderson were not selected

1661
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 2: this year into the NFL Hall of Fame's It feels

1662
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 2: like more of a blow each year, because it feels

1663
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 2: like as the years go by, maybe you lose that

1664
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 2: opportunity a little bit more. My thoughts on Ken Anderson,

1665
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 2: I thought Mike Petralia summed it up pretty well. He

1666
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 2: says that Ken Anderson's not in the Hall of Fame

1667
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,480
Speaker 2: because there are too many people who don't know football

1668
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 2: and don't know what they're watching. Beyond that, beyond his

1669
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:32,639
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame worthy statistics, as Petrelliu said, he literally

1670
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 2: helped redefine offensive football. The late Bill Walsh would tell

1671
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 2: you this much. He chose Ken Anderson to run his

1672
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:42,839
Speaker 2: new offense ten years before he knew of Joe Montana

1673
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 2: the process as a joke. And we've learned that over

1674
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 2: the last couple weeks, whether it's Ken Anderson, whether it's

1675
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 2: Willie Anderson. I think overall, Austin, it's just tough to

1676
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 2: know that there are so many players who impacted the

1677
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 2: organization in the city of Cincinnati in such a way

1678
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 2: that are not being recognized at the highest level. And

1679
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 2: there is a true frustration that comes with that. And

1680
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 2: I understand that frustration from people as well. But you

1681
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 2: kind of just you move on and you hope that

1682
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 2: next year is the year. Yeah, I don't get the

1683
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 2: feeling that Ken is going to get in just based

1684
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 2: off of the way things work. And maybe there will

1685
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 2: be changes to the process for the Senior Committee moving forward,

1686
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 2: and even one of the voters. Mike Sando, who writes

1687
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 2: for The Athletic in Seattle, replied to my tweet last

1688
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:43,679
Speaker 2: night and said he thinks Willie Anderson has better odds

1689
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 2: than Ken Anderson moving forward, and he's one of those voters.

1690
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:50,520
Speaker 2: And on that panel there are Hall of famers Dan Fouts,

1691
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 2: Tony Dungee, James Lofton, Bill Pollion, people that have played

1692
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 2: and worked in the NFL for a really long time,

1693
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 2: people that do know football are a part of that.

1694
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 2: But again, I think the biggest issue is the process

1695
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 2: itself when it comes to the Senior Committee, And there

1696
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 2: were you know, I posted this long thing last night

1697
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 2: about about Ken Anderson, and there were multiple voters that

1698
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 2: liked that tweet that agreed with me about Ken Anderson.

1699
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 2: And so I think that says something like there's a

1700
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:31,439
Speaker 2: reason why Crafton, Belichick and ELC Greenwood and Ken Anderson

1701
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 2: all those guys didn't get in is because of the

1702
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 2: way that the voting is set up and votes work

1703
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 2: against other guys instead of in favor of the dudes.

1704
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 2: As far as Willy Anderson is concerned, that I think,

1705
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 2: and this is not to take away from Ken Anderson,

1706
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:53,840
Speaker 2: is egregious as hell. There was no more dominant a

1707
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 2: right tackle in the history of the NFL. Nobody, I mean,

1708
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 2: just as good as Willy Anderson. And in his era

1709
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 2: there was nobody better and it wasn't even close. And

1710
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:09,640
Speaker 2: part of the issue with the Hall of Fame I

1711
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 2: have right now is that you never see offensive lineman

1712
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 2: get in. I mean, Joe Thomas was the last one

1713
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 2: to get in. It's they barely ever get in. And

1714
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 2: I don't quite understand that now, you know, he's The

1715
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 2: good news with Willie is he's automatically a finalist again

1716
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 2: next year, along with what Marshallda and Terrell Suggs. Yeah,

1717
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:32,679
Speaker 2: and again Marshall Yanda another dude that very well could

1718
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 2: be in the Hall of Fame. And now you're going

1719
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:37,680
Speaker 2: to start getting guys like Andrew Whitworth. Andrew Whitworth is

1720
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 2: going to be a first time eligible player next year.

1721
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger is going to be a first time eligible players.

1722
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:49,879
Speaker 2: I mean, I think looking at that list, like right away, Gronk,

1723
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 2: you know he's getting in. I don't know about the

1724
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 2: rest of them. I don't know if Antonio Brown would

1725
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 2: get in. I don't know if they'd put Whitworth in

1726
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:00,640
Speaker 2: right away. I'm not sure, so maybe he has a

1727
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 2: pretty decent chance next year. But I really thought this

1728
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 2: year was the year because I felt like, based off

1729
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 2: of the people that were in there, I thought Vinetari

1730
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:13,719
Speaker 2: would wait a year, but they put him in right away.

1731
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 2: I was a little surprised by that, only the third

1732
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 2: kicker inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. But

1733
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 2: I think overall, fans of this franchise feel like no

1734
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 2: one at the national level or the people that vote

1735
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:33,679
Speaker 2: at the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Bengals fans don't

1736
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 2: feel seen, and Bengals players don't feel seen and don't

1737
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:39,560
Speaker 2: don't feel respected. And part of that has to do

1738
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 2: with the fact that for a while they didn't win,

1739
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 2: especially in the Willie Anderson era, they didn't win. And

1740
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 2: when I think there's this idea that you're out of sight,

1741
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 2: out of mind, I think that's changed over the last

1742
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 2: several years, especially like the Bengals are in the spotlight

1743
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 2: now more than they've ever been, and that's good and

1744
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:58,760
Speaker 2: that will help them. And you know, Jamar Chase is

1745
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 2: going to be in the Hall of Fame, and Joe

1746
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 2: Burrow and those guys down the line like it'll help

1747
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 2: them then, But for a while, you know, the Bengals

1748
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 2: were a little bit out of sight, out of mind,

1749
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 2: and unfortunately, I think it's hurt them. Yeah. I don't

1750
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 2: think it's like an intentional thing. I just think it's

1751
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 2: hurt them. Among those other twenty twenty seven first time

1752
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 2: eligible candidates you mentioned Andrew Whitworth, the Killer Bees, Le'Veon Bell,

1753
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 2: Antonio Brown, Ben Roethlisberger. How much does Antonio Brown's trouble

1754
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 2: off the field impact his chances to get in? He

1755
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 2: was a seven time Pro bowler, Yeah, four years in

1756
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 2: a row, all Pro four years in a row. Was

1757
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 2: back and forth between him and Julio Jones and Bengals

1758
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 2: fans here would say aj Green, but between those guys

1759
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 2: for who's the best wide receiver in the NFL, and

1760
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 2: that I think means a lot. But you can compare

1761
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 2: him to Chad Johnson. Ocho Cinco had a four year

1762
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 2: stretch where there was like if he led the AFC

1763
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 2: and receiving yards for four years in a row, Yep,

1764
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 2: that dude was unbelievable. And then it just kind of stopped.

1765
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 2: Same thing happened to Antonio Brown. Yeah, the way things

1766
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 2: went in Las Vegas, the way things have gone went

1767
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 2: in Tampa and the other places. I think he will

1768
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 2: get in eventually, but I don't think it'll be soon.

1769
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 2: Does Cam Newton have a case? No, I don't think

1770
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 2: so either. Super Bowl sixty happens on Sunday. I have

1771
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 2: two quarterback questions for you. Does a win on Sunday

1772
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:37,680
Speaker 2: make Sam Darnold an elite quarterback? No, I don't think

1773
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 2: so either. Although his stats over the last two years,

1774
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 2: if you take away the meltdown at the end of

1775
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 2: last year and this year, he's been a really, really

1776
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 2: solid quarterback, I don't think elite though. And then they

1777
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:54,639
Speaker 2: had a conversation earlier on first take, is Drake May

1778
01:38:54,680 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 2: playing with house money? Do you mean, like, is this

1779
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 2: house money for Drake May? Because Steven A said yes

1780
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 2: and Ryan Clark said yes, and then Cam Newton and

1781
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 2: dan Orlowsky yesterday were kind of the voice of reason

1782
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:15,840
Speaker 2: of well, you could make the case for a guy

1783
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 2: like Cam Newton, and Cam said as much today. He said, listen,

1784
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 2: if you'd have told me when we went to the

1785
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 2: Super Bowl that there is not a chance I would

1786
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,880
Speaker 2: be back, I would have told you were crazy. I

1787
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 2: knew I was going to go back to the super Bowl,

1788
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,000
Speaker 2: yet I never did. And he lays the list out

1789
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 2: of you know Marino and threw Joe Burrow in there

1790
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 2: on the list of you know. You could have made

1791
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 2: the argument when Joe Burrow went to the Super Bowl,

1792
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:40,639
Speaker 2: you could have said, well, this is house money. Joe

1793
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:42,760
Speaker 2: Burrow's going to be back to more Super Bowls. He

1794
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 2: hasn't been. I don't think there's a thing as house

1795
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 2: money when it comes to playing in the super Bowl. No,

1796
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 2: I don't think Sven's a dumb talking point. Yeah, I

1797
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 2: just I don't. I don't think that's there anymore. Now again,

1798
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 2: if Drake May wins on Sunday at his age, it

1799
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:02,120
Speaker 2: reset It's the whole trajectory and expectation of his career.

1800
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 2: I'll say that. I mean, think about it from your

1801
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:08,600
Speaker 2: perspective as a player. You let's say you're playing in

1802
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:12,080
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Are you thinking I'm good if I

1803
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 2: don't win this? Well, that's what Cam's Newton point. Cam

1804
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:16,880
Speaker 2: Newton's point was, even after we lost a Super Bowl,

1805
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 2: I thought to myself, I'll be back. Yeah, I don't.

1806
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 2: I don't good. I don't like I don't agree with

1807
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 2: that mentality, and he never came back. He also didn't

1808
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 2: dive on a loose ball in the Super Bowl. Well,

1809
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 2: we also think the same of Jo Like I thought

1810
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:28,800
Speaker 2: the same of Joe Burrow, like after the Super Bowl

1811
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 2: and the like, well, Joe's gonna be back to a

1812
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 2: super Bowl. The Bengals will be back.

1813
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1814
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:34,600
Speaker 2: But I don't I don't think Joe put yourself in

1815
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 2: the in the mindset of the player. I don't think

1816
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is looking at like, Oh, I'm gonna We're

1817
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:41,600
Speaker 2: gonna keep going back to the super Bowl over and

1818
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 2: over and over again. I think in the moment, you're thinking,

1819
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 2: this is the most important game of my life. This

1820
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 2: will change my life. We have to win this game now.

1821
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:55,719
Speaker 2: Maybe after the game and down the line, you're thinking, Okay,

1822
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:57,920
Speaker 2: we can get back there, like I know what it

1823
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,680
Speaker 2: takes now and you have confidence. But like in the

1824
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:03,760
Speaker 2: moment leading up to this week, you're not thinking, yeah,

1825
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 2: we're about to go on a run of a bunch

1826
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:08,719
Speaker 2: of Super Bowls. I don't think anybody thinks that way

1827
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 2: for the game itself. Who's your pick? Seattle twenty seven,

1828
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:18,120
Speaker 2: New England seventeen. I'm going to say Seattle twenty four,

1829
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:22,280
Speaker 2: New England twenty one. I think I think New England

1830
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:26,320
Speaker 2: covers the number. I think Seattle wins the game. I

1831
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 2: think it's more of a late score to cut it

1832
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:32,960
Speaker 2: to three for New England. My biggest thing with this game,

1833
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 2: it just feels to me like the front four of

1834
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:42,720
Speaker 2: Seattle is going to provide enough pressure and when need to.

1835
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:44,760
Speaker 2: I know you highlighted this as well. We talked about

1836
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 2: this yesterday. Seattle's not not against bringing pressure from the secondary,

1837
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:53,800
Speaker 2: but I think early in the game they're going to

1838
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 2: kind of let their front four do their work. You

1839
01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 2: look at a rookie left tackle in the Super Bowl,

1840
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 2: Will Campbell starting for the New England Patriots, has a

1841
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 2: lot of pressure on him. I look at the front

1842
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:08,519
Speaker 2: four for Seattle, and I think that becomes a serious,

1843
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 2: serious problem for the New England Patriots offense. So give

1844
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:14,639
Speaker 2: me Seattle twenty four, because I do think the Patriots defense,

1845
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 2: I think Christian Gonzales versus Jackson Smith and Jigba is

1846
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:25,559
Speaker 2: gonna be awesome. Who's your Super Bowl MVP? I think

1847
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 2: the betting favorite and the smart play would be Sam Darnold.

1848
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say, Rashid Shiheed, that's such a He

1849
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:38,559
Speaker 2: was my kind of off the radar pick as well,

1850
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:41,800
Speaker 2: because he can affect the game as a runner, as

1851
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 2: a receiver, and a return guy. If there's a special

1852
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 2: team's touchdown, and I think you're gonna I think it's

1853
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:49,639
Speaker 2: gonna be more low scoring. I don't think you're gonna

1854
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 2: have a quarterback though, for three hundred yards and four touchdowns.

1855
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 2: I think Shaheed's ability like he could very well easily

1856
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 2: go over one hundred receiving rushing yards. You already saw

1857
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:01,960
Speaker 2: the kick return earlier in the playoffs, He's had a

1858
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 2: punt return. He's he's kind of done at all. I

1859
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 2: think he's a very sneaky long like. I don't know

1860
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 2: what his odds are right now to be the Super

1861
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 2: Bowl MVP, but I would imagine he's pretty much of

1862
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:15,479
Speaker 2: a long shot that you could probably get some pretty

1863
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 2: pretty good odds on. I mean, it's hard to go

1864
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:22,360
Speaker 2: against quarterback because if if Seattle wins going away, I

1865
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 2: think I think it's going to be Donald because I

1866
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 2: think you look at the loss of Zach Charbonnet and

1867
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:30,360
Speaker 2: how much can Kenneth Walker do. I think more will

1868
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 2: put on Donald's shoulders. I think New England has a

1869
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 2: clear advantage in the run game, so maybe you get

1870
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:41,040
Speaker 2: something there. But I do think that that a Shaheed

1871
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 2: MVP for the Super Bowl has a chance to hit.

1872
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 2: So we're in agreement. There any other Super Bowl talking

1873
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:53,200
Speaker 2: points that we haven't got to this week, I don't

1874
01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:55,600
Speaker 2: think so. I think it's pretty much summed up. And

1875
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:58,799
Speaker 2: that's two words, right, Yes, super Bowl is two words.

1876
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 2: It's very important people understand that. Last chance that we

1877
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:05,799
Speaker 2: get that out there drives me nuts. Last chance Rashid Shaheed,

1878
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:08,680
Speaker 2: my biggest pet peeve is plus thirty three hundred right

1879
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:12,400
Speaker 2: now to win MVP. Those are pretty good odds. Speaking

1880
01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 2: of MVP, I meant to bring this up earlier when

1881
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:17,519
Speaker 2: we were talking about the awards. Did you see the

1882
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:22,479
Speaker 2: current odds to win the MVP next year? No. In

1883
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:28,800
Speaker 2: the NFL, Josh Allen is the favorite at plus six hundred,

1884
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson at plus seven fifty, Drake May at plus

1885
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:39,719
Speaker 2: eight fifty. Joe Burrow is fourth at plus one thousand.

1886
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 2: Seems like a pretty good sprinkle. Herbert and Mahomes are

1887
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 2: next at eleven hundred. Stafford, the reigning JAMP plus fourteen hundred. Interesting,

1888
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 2: those top two odds leaders will be doing it with

1889
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,479
Speaker 2: new systems and coaches in place. I don't think there

1890
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 2: is a single non quarterback in the top twenty who

1891
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 2: would be the top out of the Pukah b John

1892
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 2: Robinson probably I cut the list off after Crack twenty,

1893
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 2: But I mean, I'm looking at Tyler Shuck as plus

1894
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:15,479
Speaker 2: ten thousand. I'm looking at a list right now that's

1895
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 2: got Jackson, Dart and Tyler Shuck with better odds than

1896
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:21,960
Speaker 2: Bijon and Pukina Kua. Yeah that's what mine says too. Yeah,

1897
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 2: all right, we have a ton of phone calls that

1898
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 2: we'll try to get to when we return, and then

1899
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 2: we'll turn it to Bob Man Jean all here in

1900
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:31,719
Speaker 2: our number three since he three to sixty ESPN fifteen

1901
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:33,240
Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1902
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:40,960
Speaker 11: Is ESPN fifteen thirty.

1903
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 2: Tony, a quick piece of redsmoos before we get back

1904
01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:45,280
Speaker 2: to the phone calls. We are waiting on the results

1905
01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 2: of two arbitration cases for the Reds, Yes, Tyler Stevenson

1906
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:54,679
Speaker 2: being one, Graham Ashcraft being the other. Jeff Passion. ESPN

1907
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:58,799
Speaker 2: reports that Graham Ashcraft has won his arbitration case against

1908
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 2: the reds. That makes the players five and oh so

1909
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 2: far in arbitration there are six cases remaining and two

1910
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 2: are awaiting decisions apparently, so I'm not sure exactly when

1911
01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:17,040
Speaker 2: we will hear something on Tyler Stevenson, but Graham Ashcraft

1912
01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 2: won his. There you go, let's go. Well done to

1913
01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 2: the phone lines for the first time today. We've got

1914
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 2: a ton of calls, so we'll try to be quick

1915
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:28,760
Speaker 2: with each one of these. What's up, Mark, Hey.

1916
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 14: Hey, how's it going.

1917
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:30,679
Speaker 18: God.

1918
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:36,439
Speaker 14: My opinion about the Hall of Fame, I think it's

1919
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:40,760
Speaker 14: waded down, you know when I look at the Hall

1920
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:43,919
Speaker 14: of Fame players, like in his air that he played,

1921
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Speaker 14: was he one of the top one or two players

1922
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Speaker 14: at his position? You know? I think unfortunately for Ken Anderson,

1923
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 14: I think what you got to ask yourself with him,

1924
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Speaker 14: was he one of the top three quarterbacks.

1925
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Speaker 2: In his ear? Sure?

1926
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Speaker 14: I mean, but I think three things hurt him. When

1927
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:08,639
Speaker 14: Bill Walsh left and he had that was three seasons

1928
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:12,679
Speaker 14: seventy seven, seventy eight, seventy nine. Well, well he didn't

1929
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 14: have not so good seasons, sure, and he came back

1930
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Speaker 14: and won the MVP in eighty one, but he he

1931
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:23,200
Speaker 14: had a three year stretch where he didn't he didn't

1932
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Speaker 14: do so well, and the Biggles even drafted a quarterback

1933
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:28,800
Speaker 14: to take his lights, Jack Thompson. And then the other

1934
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:30,880
Speaker 14: thing I think hurt him if he wins that Super

1935
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:33,639
Speaker 14: Bowl in eighty eight, I think that might have pushed

1936
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:36,760
Speaker 14: him over yep. So that I just think he has

1937
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:39,639
Speaker 14: a couple of things working against him as hard as

1938
01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:44,639
Speaker 14: Willie Anderson. I asked you this before, do they does that?

1939
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:49,400
Speaker 14: Could Maybee think more of left tackles good right tackles

1940
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:52,720
Speaker 14: because I think if he was a left tackle, I

1941
01:47:52,760 --> 01:47:53,680
Speaker 14: think he would have been there.

1942
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think we'll see that with with with

1943
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 2: Worth coming in twenty twenty seven, of how quickly he

1944
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:02,160
Speaker 2: can get in and make be gather a little bit

1945
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 2: more to that theory of the left tackle position versus

1946
01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:07,559
Speaker 2: the right, I think there is something there. I also

1947
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:09,599
Speaker 2: think there are two different ways to balance that out.

1948
01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:12,519
Speaker 2: Number one, like looking as the game has evolved over

1949
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 2: the last twenty years, pass rushers have been have turned

1950
01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:19,760
Speaker 2: into mutants right and you pass the ball constantly and

1951
01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:23,360
Speaker 2: has made both of those tackle spots really important. And

1952
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:25,439
Speaker 2: I think for a while the idea was the left

1953
01:48:25,479 --> 01:48:28,280
Speaker 2: tackle is important because he protects the passer. But I

1954
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:31,920
Speaker 2: also would argue that during Willie Anderson's era, which was

1955
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:35,680
Speaker 2: a run first era of football, the right tackle was

1956
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:38,920
Speaker 2: equally as important in the run game as the left

1957
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:41,679
Speaker 2: tackle was in the pass game. And when you look

1958
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:45,519
Speaker 2: at the players that ran behind Willy Anderson, especially somebody

1959
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:49,759
Speaker 2: like Corey Dillon, the seasons that Rudy Johnson had as well,

1960
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:52,400
Speaker 2: I think that is a big part of his legacy

1961
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:53,680
Speaker 2: as well. That gets overlooked.

1962
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:56,760
Speaker 14: Well, well, I think the big thing. Wow, I would

1963
01:48:56,840 --> 01:49:00,400
Speaker 14: vote him in. He could run, block, and.

1964
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:02,640
Speaker 2: He could pass rock, yes, exactly what.

1965
01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 14: He might give up one or two sacks in a season,

1966
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 14: so it was hard to get him around him.

1967
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:11,960
Speaker 2: So I think the official count is thirteen sacks in

1968
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:15,360
Speaker 2: sixteen seasons, yeah, or sixteen sacks and thirteen seasons or

1969
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 2: something like that.

1970
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:19,479
Speaker 14: Yeah. I think he could do both. So I think

1971
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:24,200
Speaker 14: eventually he'll get in. But I'm wondering about can Anders

1972
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:25,439
Speaker 14: and that could go.

1973
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:27,560
Speaker 2: That can go either way. So I'll get off and

1974
01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 2: a little the rest of yourself, Mark, I appreciate it, man,

1975
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:32,280
Speaker 2: Thank you, John. What's going on?

1976
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:35,840
Speaker 39: Is Willy Anderson still available to play? Because those numbers

1977
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:36,760
Speaker 39: are incredible.

1978
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:38,559
Speaker 2: I think he could right now, I think he could

1979
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:40,680
Speaker 2: come give you at least a couple of snaps.

1980
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:44,960
Speaker 39: Yeah, thirteen sacks and sixteen seasons, that's incredible. I'm all

1981
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 39: with you, guys on Joe Burrow MVP twenty twenty six

1982
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:50,760
Speaker 39: to make up my big losses in.

1983
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 15: Twenty twenty five, and then pluss on thousand. It's the

1984
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:54,280
Speaker 15: better spread than it was last year.

1985
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:55,360
Speaker 2: So let's let's go in.

1986
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:56,840
Speaker 15: As a famous man once said, you.

1987
01:49:56,800 --> 01:49:58,800
Speaker 39: Can't fall off the black bed if you sleep on

1988
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:00,320
Speaker 39: the floor, So go ahead of again.

1989
01:50:00,439 --> 01:50:01,519
Speaker 2: We're all in on that one.

1990
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:03,479
Speaker 39: As far as the game on Sunday, I think it's

1991
01:50:03,479 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 39: gonna be Patriots twenty to seventeen, low scoring game. Both

1992
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:09,439
Speaker 39: defenses are better than the offense is when it comes

1993
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:10,960
Speaker 39: to the trenches. I think it's gonna be come for

1994
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 39: either team to run the football. But there was one

1995
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:15,519
Speaker 39: stat that really stood out to me, guys, is that

1996
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:19,639
Speaker 39: Seattle's thirty first in offense when facing third and long.

1997
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:23,000
Speaker 39: The Patriots are first defensively when facing third and long.

1998
01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:25,519
Speaker 39: That's a major difference between the two teams. If they

1999
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:28,439
Speaker 39: can get Seattle in third eight, third, nine, maybe you

2000
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 39: start to get some turnovers, and before I go, Marcus Jones,

2001
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:33,800
Speaker 39: I think is a great long shot to win MVP

2002
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:36,080
Speaker 39: at sixty to one. He returns punts as well as

2003
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 39: where she's he does, and he's also a defensive back

2004
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:40,439
Speaker 39: who may get a pick six out of it. So

2005
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:44,559
Speaker 39: I would say Patriots with the points, Patriots moneyline and under,

2006
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:47,920
Speaker 39: and Marcus Jones to win MVP. And with my betting

2007
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:49,800
Speaker 39: record from this year, I'm sure people will just go

2008
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:51,000
Speaker 39: the other way tail it.

2009
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:53,920
Speaker 2: John had a great one man. Enjoy the Super Bowl.

2010
01:50:54,680 --> 01:50:59,519
Speaker 2: Thanks fellows, sir. I think if it feels like in

2011
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:01,640
Speaker 2: this Super both of these defenses, it wouldn't be a

2012
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 2: bad idea to have a defensive touchdown bet on Sunday.

2013
01:51:06,479 --> 01:51:09,080
Speaker 2: I mean, both these defenses can force turnovers, both can

2014
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:12,320
Speaker 2: score points. I think that'd be a nice little sprinkle. Mike,

2015
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:12,960
Speaker 2: what's happening?

2016
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:14,519
Speaker 14: Okay?

2017
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Speaker 27: Before that, now, give me a little time since since

2018
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:18,639
Speaker 27: Marcus burn everything up.

2019
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Speaker 2: Okay, we only got a few minutes, Mike, stupid.

2020
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Speaker 27: Well okay, souvenir, what do you guys want? You guys

2021
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:27,320
Speaker 27: want anything for the Super Bowl or not.

2022
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:30,080
Speaker 2: You don't have to get us anything, Mike. Yeah, I'm great.

2023
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:32,639
Speaker 2: We appreciate greatly.

2024
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:38,360
Speaker 27: Tory, what do you want? I don't want anything.

2025
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 2: I'm good. I haven't I haven't even looked at what

2026
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:43,880
Speaker 2: they would have to me. Unless my team's in it,

2027
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:45,760
Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't get much out of it. Mike, if

2028
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:48,599
Speaker 2: if you insist on getting us something, the first thing

2029
01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:50,960
Speaker 2: you see that makes you think of us, there it

2030
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,479
Speaker 2: is there, It is all right. I like that.

2031
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:57,639
Speaker 27: You give me some latitude. Good idea. Okay. Roger Craig

2032
01:51:57,720 --> 01:51:59,840
Speaker 27: probably got in because he was on a dominant multi

2033
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:05,080
Speaker 27: super Bowl team that Larry Fitzgerald. I didn't realize he's

2034
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:06,360
Speaker 27: second all time.

2035
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:08,719
Speaker 17: On the list of the total yardists behind Jerry Rice,

2036
01:52:09,120 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 17: which is pretty incredible when and he also played his

2037
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:16,719
Speaker 17: whole career with the with the Cardinals, which is impressive in.

2038
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:17,240
Speaker 34: This day and age.

2039
01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:19,559
Speaker 2: And a lot of a lot of bad quarterbacks too.

2040
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:23,080
Speaker 27: Yeah, until Warner came along, right.

2041
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:26,640
Speaker 2: Warner and Palmer were about the only good one years.

2042
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:29,639
Speaker 27: I'm with you, I got Seattle winning this thing big

2043
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:33,479
Speaker 27: thirty one fourteen, Uh, I got the Marcus Lawrence being.

2044
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:37,240
Speaker 27: If there's a weirdo, I'm with John about Marcus Jones.

2045
01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:41,760
Speaker 27: If New England would win with England. But I got

2046
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 27: I got the Marcus Lawrence with four sacks. He's him

2047
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:50,120
Speaker 27: in an intercept and if he don't win it, then

2048
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:53,000
Speaker 27: Kenneth Walker will because he's gonna have over one hundred yards.

2049
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:56,120
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean with without without Zach Sharboney, you

2050
01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:58,120
Speaker 2: think he's going to handle a lot more of the workload.

2051
01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:01,040
Speaker 2: New England's going to probably try to double Jackson Smith

2052
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:03,320
Speaker 2: and Jig but should open some stuff up for Kenneth Walker,

2053
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:04,960
Speaker 2: I would think. So.

2054
01:53:05,240 --> 01:53:07,200
Speaker 27: I was looking at these all time right tackles and

2055
01:53:07,240 --> 01:53:09,400
Speaker 27: I know you got to go. It's a pretty impressive

2056
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:12,599
Speaker 27: list of all time best white tackles Forrest Briggs at

2057
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 27: the top the list, and ray Field right from Dallas,

2058
01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:18,240
Speaker 27: Jackie Slater from the Rams, Ron Nicks who I remember

2059
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:21,920
Speaker 27: hi vividly for the Chargers, and Dan remember Dan Beardof's

2060
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:24,160
Speaker 27: work the announcer. He was a hell of a right

2061
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:30,080
Speaker 27: tackle with Cardinal Saint Louis Cardinal. And that's all I got, guys, though,

2062
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 27: thank you and enjoy the game. I'll text you from

2063
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:33,360
Speaker 27: the super Bowl, Mike.

2064
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:36,080
Speaker 2: Enjoy the Super Bowl, man, Honestly, have a great time.

2065
01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:39,240
Speaker 27: I'm a zoom of beat right now. We just passed through,

2066
01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:43,439
Speaker 27: uh Malibu and the Coast Highway is so beautiful. I

2067
01:53:43,479 --> 01:53:44,240
Speaker 27: wish you were with me.

2068
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:47,080
Speaker 2: Enjoy it, man, Mike, have a grave mind, have fun,

2069
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:51,920
Speaker 2: take care, Thank you, Yes, sir. One more Torell last one?

2070
01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:52,720
Speaker 2: What's up man?

2071
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:54,719
Speaker 18: Two quick things?

2072
01:53:54,840 --> 01:53:58,000
Speaker 27: Yes, Joe Thomas, he didn't wait anything either.

2073
01:53:58,080 --> 01:53:58,320
Speaker 5: True.

2074
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:01,280
Speaker 27: I think I think I seen his interview with with

2075
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:02,160
Speaker 27: with Warre's sett.

2076
01:54:02,240 --> 01:54:04,640
Speaker 15: It was it was about Aaron Donald and they were

2077
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 15: saying and War's sap was like, well, who who do he?

2078
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:08,759
Speaker 14: Who was he going against?

2079
01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:12,040
Speaker 27: So Warre Satt was saying he bought a winning Edison

2080
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:14,680
Speaker 27: so that let me know, wup?

2081
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know. Willie is so respected by others

2082
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,439
Speaker 2: that played the game in the NFL, and I do

2083
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:24,200
Speaker 2: as for for people that think the narrative is the

2084
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:27,080
Speaker 2: Bengals they didn't win enough, I think a great comparison

2085
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:31,960
Speaker 2: is Joe Thomas, who was great and yeah great, great

2086
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:34,880
Speaker 2: player but never won anything in Cleveland but still a

2087
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:36,800
Speaker 2: a an easy Hall of Famer. I think that's a

2088
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:38,120
Speaker 2: good comparison.

2089
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 15: Right, I appreciate it, guy, Yes, thank you.

2090
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:44,640
Speaker 2: Appreciate you. Yeah. Also, what I was on the phone

2091
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 2: talking to to Terrell when you were talking about the

2092
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:52,200
Speaker 2: defensive player to score. Yeah, I almost Actually, I believe

2093
01:54:52,240 --> 01:54:54,560
Speaker 2: I hit Cooper Cup last year he had to pick six.

2094
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I had or not Cooper Cup, Cooper

2095
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:02,600
Speaker 2: dejen with the Eagles, and I had Cooper Dejene to

2096
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:06,280
Speaker 2: win Super Bowl MVP. Ooh. And I thought for sure

2097
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:09,080
Speaker 2: that I was going to cash in on that bad boy.

2098
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:12,680
Speaker 2: And then the Chiefs were just awful and couldn't score,

2099
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:14,600
Speaker 2: and the Eagles just poured it on and ended up

2100
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 2: going to hurt and taking Dejene. Did you take a

2101
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:20,520
Speaker 2: defensive player scoring a touchdown? Yes? Okay, at least you

2102
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:21,440
Speaker 2: hit on that. Yeah.

2103
01:55:22,120 --> 01:55:22,280
Speaker 9: Uh.

2104
01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:27,240
Speaker 2: Bob Manjean mentioned earlier Lindsay Vaughan a week ago today

2105
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:32,240
Speaker 2: tore her acl one ruptured earlier today, She's scheme in

2106
01:55:32,280 --> 01:55:32,920
Speaker 2: the Olympics.

2107
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:33,440
Speaker 4: Crazy?

2108
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:36,120
Speaker 2: How does that happen? Bob Mangin will help us from

2109
01:55:36,200 --> 01:55:39,320
Speaker 2: UC and novacare next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: From the Court to the Cage, the Diamond to the Dome.

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Speaker 1: He brings the heat Moegar today at three pm on

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Well the Holidays is a bools.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Tony Pike, Sincy three point sixty on

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: sixty a Friday afternoon on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Each Friday, we have the opportunity to spend time with

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Speaker 2: our guy from Nova Care and the University of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: Bob man Jean joining us right now. Bob, what's going on? Tony?

2121
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Speaker 18: Just trying to survive a snowy day in Cincinnati.

2122
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:28,440
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of those. Luckily, you guys aren't

2123
01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:31,280
Speaker 2: worried about having to take a trip anywhere. You play

2124
01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:35,120
Speaker 2: at home on Sunday against UCF, so a couple home

2125
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:37,440
Speaker 2: days here. What I did want to ask, we're getting

2126
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Speaker 2: the opening ceremonies of the Olympics happening today in Milan,

2127
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:45,000
Speaker 2: but some of the events have already started, and some

2128
01:56:45,080 --> 01:56:49,120
Speaker 2: of the training events have already started. And one that

2129
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Speaker 2: happened a couple hours ago revolved around Lindsay Vaughn, the

2130
01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:58,160
Speaker 2: forty one year old who is coming back from one

2131
01:56:58,240 --> 01:57:03,240
Speaker 2: week ago tearing her ACL. She is still competing, and

2132
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:07,720
Speaker 2: what I thought was even more remarkable about this is

2133
01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:11,280
Speaker 2: her event, the women's downhill it feels like that's an

2134
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Speaker 2: event that's going to put a lot of pressure on

2135
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Speaker 2: the lower body. So let's just start with the how

2136
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Speaker 2: one week after tearing an ACL, how is Lindsey Vaughan

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Speaker 2: still able to compete in the Olympics.

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Speaker 18: Years ago, we did a study when I was at

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Speaker 18: a company called since A Sports Medicine, and we looked

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Speaker 18: really closely at kids that tore their acls and what

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Speaker 18: percent needed surgery, what percent didn't need surgery. And you know,

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Speaker 18: again there is a small population of athletes who tear

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Speaker 18: their ACL, but they're genetically gifted enough with excellent quad control,

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Speaker 18: excellent hamstring control, good balance that you could try to

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Speaker 18: you know, survive participating in sports. The other thing I

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Speaker 18: want to say is, you know, when people get their

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01:57:59,160 --> 01:58:02,080
Speaker 18: knees injured, a lot of them don't go to the er,

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Speaker 18: they don't go to their doctor, and they end up

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Speaker 18: discovering that they toured the ACL some time later. So

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Speaker 18: when we did an initial study on that, we found

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Speaker 18: in four percent of the people who tour the acls,

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Speaker 18: we're able to continue to participate even without the ACL

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01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:20,760
Speaker 18: and not even known about it and not picking it

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Speaker 18: up till they went through some sort of screening, either

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01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:27,600
Speaker 18: at a college level program or an NFL level program.

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01:58:28,040 --> 01:58:33,520
Speaker 18: So again, it's not completely impossible to participate without an ACL.

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Speaker 18: The other thing is Wendsay Bondsman throw a lot. She's

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Speaker 18: had multiple knee injuries, She's been rehabbed multiple times. She

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Speaker 18: has a good idea of what her body can withstand.

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Speaker 18: So when you get an older athlete who you know

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Speaker 18: has been through multiple sessions of physcotherapy, way training getting

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Speaker 18: back to a high level of complete, you know, they

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01:58:56,760 --> 01:58:59,240
Speaker 18: sort of have an idea of what, you know, what

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Speaker 18: they're capable doing and what they're not capable of doing.

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Speaker 18: And again, like we talk about every week, we're not

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Speaker 18: one hundred percent sure exactly you know, in her case,

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01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:11,000
Speaker 18: what's wrong with your knee. We're only guessing that. You know,

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Speaker 18: she has an isolated terror tour ACL, But again, you

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01:59:15,080 --> 01:59:19,040
Speaker 18: know there are other complex issues that kind occur if

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Speaker 18: you have a re injury or injuries that occur with

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01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:25,600
Speaker 18: the ACL that you try to push through. So you know,

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01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:28,680
Speaker 18: I had a one of my kids played football and

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Speaker 18: he survived the season without an ACL, but again it

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Speaker 18: was you know, very protected through the whole season.

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Speaker 2: Well, what I think is interesting is. She took to

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Speaker 2: social media and actually explained and gave some details about

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Speaker 2: the severity because people are wondering what was the what

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01:59:44,720 --> 01:59:48,280
Speaker 2: was the state of the ACL before the injury, how

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Speaker 2: how much percentage is it ruptured? She confirmed that it

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01:59:51,160 --> 01:59:54,720
Speaker 2: was a fully functioning ACL until last week, and that

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01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:57,840
Speaker 2: it is one hundred percent ruptured, not eighty percent, not

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01:59:57,920 --> 02:00:00,400
Speaker 2: fifty percent, it's one hundred percent gone. So no, not

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Speaker 2: What other risk is she taking on and competing at

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Speaker 2: the Olympics just a week later.

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Speaker 18: Well, when you look at the literature on that, you know, again,

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Speaker 18: I I she could be very successful. She's a high level,

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Speaker 18: skilled compete athlete. She's I'm sure she's undergoing you know, extensively.

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Speaker 18: We have right now by you know, the staff with

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Speaker 18: US Skiing and their physical therapy staff. And again, there

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Speaker 18: are studies out there that say you can survive and

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Speaker 18: compete without an ACL. Your biggest concern is in repeat

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Speaker 18: injuries and you tear amniscens then all of a sudden,

2193
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Speaker 18: your knee starts to decompensate and you start to have

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02:00:41,960 --> 02:00:45,920
Speaker 18: more issues. So you know, again only knowing that she's

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Speaker 18: got a quote unquote fully toward a CL and potentially

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Speaker 18: everything else was fine, but you know, there was no

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Speaker 18: comment on any other structure. So I think that at

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Speaker 18: this point the assumption is that, you know, for the element,

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Speaker 18: which is a two week time period, you know, you

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Speaker 18: can try your best to you know, become prepared to

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Speaker 18: participate in that activity, and if you have a repeat injury,

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Speaker 18: you're going to suffer the consequences. I think it was

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Speaker 18: about eight years ago there was a quarterback at the

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Speaker 18: NCAA level towards ACL kind of toward the end of

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Speaker 18: the season, great season going on. So this university, which

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Speaker 18: was at that point of power five university, decided to

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Speaker 18: have the athlete continue to participate, and in the very

2208
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Speaker 18: next game he you know, tore his latterminiscus and some

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Speaker 18: other structures, and the next thing, you know, it went

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Speaker 18: from just an ACL to something more complicated.

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Speaker 2: So you can always test quote.

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Speaker 18: Unquote the knee and make sure that it's sound enough

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Speaker 18: to participate within you know, within the compete level that

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Speaker 18: you're at, or within the time period where you're at.

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Speaker 18: And so I mean, again, she's a high level athlete,

2216
02:01:58,600 --> 02:02:02,080
Speaker 18: highly trained, highly motivated, and for a two week period,

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Speaker 18: I'd certainly give it a shot. Without surgical intervention, and

2218
02:02:05,800 --> 02:02:08,120
Speaker 18: I'd certainly give it a shot, which is you know,

2219
02:02:08,240 --> 02:02:11,760
Speaker 18: re having her really hard, especially her balance control, her

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Speaker 18: coactivation as we call it, core body control. And again

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Speaker 18: these are things that she's probably like trained at a high, high,

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Speaker 18: high level. So you know, I don't I think there's

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Speaker 18: probably minimal risk for her at this point.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean, we're talking about a chance to

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Speaker 2: compete in the Olympics. It happens once every four years,

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Speaker 2: and for Lindsay Vaughan forty one years old, it's it's

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Speaker 2: your last Olympics. You've worked to this, You're going to

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Speaker 2: try everything possible to do it. So I think you

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Speaker 2: take into account her age, what the events are and

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Speaker 2: things like that, as opposed to let's say, if it's

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Speaker 2: a player on UC's basketball team or a player doing

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Speaker 2: a different sport where they're younger, you know they've they've

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Speaker 2: got a lot more time to play in front of them.

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Speaker 2: Then you're going to have different conversations about, Okay, is

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Speaker 2: it best to push through it, or is it best

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Speaker 2: to get this fixed or to rest all of those

2237
02:03:07,240 --> 02:03:08,960
Speaker 2: things coming to the equation. But I think you look

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Speaker 2: at the time and place of a forty one year

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Speaker 2: old athlete in our last Olympics. Go try everything you

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Speaker 2: possibly can to get that job done, as opposed to

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Speaker 2: you know, someone in their early twenties that has a

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Speaker 2: lot of sports still ahead of them.

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Speaker 18: Yeah. I mean, you played with an athlete here one

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Speaker 18: time that he tore his ACL against Miami of Ohio

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Speaker 18: and you know, obviously I can't say the name, and

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Speaker 18: we did a reconstruction on him, and you are around

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Speaker 18: when we played in the International Bowl and you know,

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Speaker 18: twelve weeks later, actually eleven weeks from six days he

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Speaker 18: played in the International Bowl. So there are people out

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Speaker 18: there that I kind of call genetic freaks who can

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Speaker 18: have injuries and who can come back and participate maybe

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Speaker 18: early who was it Terrell not maybe Terrell Owens who

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Speaker 18: tour his ACL and back early and had a little

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Speaker 18: bit of a complication. But again, you know, if you

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Speaker 18: tear your ACL and you're a listener out there and

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Speaker 18: you've had a knee injury, you need to get into

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Speaker 18: and be evaluated with rehabby you know, a physiotherapist who's

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Speaker 18: experienced with knees, experienced with the dynamic balance that the

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Speaker 18: need requires before you go back and try to play.

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Speaker 18: Just don't go to your document and say, hey, you

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Speaker 18: tore your ACL and thinking that well, Lindsey Vaughn can

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Speaker 18: go back and see I can go back and play basketball.

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Speaker 18: You need to have that evaluated to see your muscle strength,

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Speaker 18: your dynamic balance or core strength and correct any deficit

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Speaker 18: you had before you would give it a try. And

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Speaker 18: certainly there is a small population, small percentage in my mind,

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Speaker 18: who can you know, just go about and continue to

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Speaker 18: compete or participate and not have much problem. But if

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Speaker 18: you do have that second problem, you can go downhill

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Speaker 18: with our It exchanges pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just again the risk reward and we could

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Speaker 2: essentially tie this to any conversation that we have right

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Speaker 2: of do you play to arrest? How do those things look?

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Speaker 2: I just think it's fascinating to think of an athlete

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Speaker 2: at forty one years old, in her final Olympics in

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Speaker 2: a week out, tears her ACL and still able to compete.

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Speaker 2: It is. It's very impressive and again that stuff doesn't

2278
02:05:25,880 --> 02:05:29,320
Speaker 2: happen without her ability to get it done, but also

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Speaker 2: at the same time the training staff around her to

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Speaker 2: give her body an opportunity to go compete as well.

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Speaker 18: Absolutely, you have to have really really people who understand

2282
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Speaker 18: the injury, the mechanism, the sport that's are participating in,

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Speaker 18: and then design your program around all that.

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Speaker 2: Bob Manjean, University of Cincinnati and Novacare, you're the best, Bob.

2285
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Speaker 2: Enjoy the weekend, get a win on Sunday, and I

2286
02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:53,880
Speaker 2: look forward to talking again next week.

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Speaker 18: Okay, Tony, I have a good weekend. As always, stay

2288
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Speaker 18: you know, stay warm and makes you have your snowtires on.

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Speaker 2: That's it. That's it, Bob Man Jean, University of Cincinnati

2290
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Speaker 2: and Novacare. When it comes to your physical wellbeing, you

2291
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Speaker 2: want a physical therapist you can trust. That's Novercare Rehabilitation.

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Speaker 2: Novacare has been the exclusive physical therapy and athletic training

2293
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Speaker 2: provider to the Bearcats for over twenty years. Go to

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Speaker 2: novacare dot com to request an appointment today. The Bearcats trust Novacare.

2295
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Speaker 2: So can you talk? I'm sorry not talkbacks. Quick kits

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Speaker 2: to finish up this edition of since E three to

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Speaker 2: sixty next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: Now it's time for quick hits on Tony Tykes Sincy

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Speaker 1: three sixteen.

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Speaker 4: We're looking for that.

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Speaker 2: Mo is joining us right now since he three sixty

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Of course, the Mowegger

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Speaker 2: Show comes up in just a few moments, three to six,

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Speaker 2: Right here, Mo, what's going on, fellas?

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Speaker 5: How are we doing? What's going on? How are you guys?

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Speaker 5: Maamar right, I'm doing alright?

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Speaker 4: Everything good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I will. I want to get to you

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02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:01,600
Speaker 2: show in just a moment. Obviously, I want to ask

2310
02:07:01,640 --> 02:07:05,880
Speaker 2: you about last night. Last night felt different in a

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02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:09,080
Speaker 2: lot of ways, and I had this conversation with a

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02:07:09,080 --> 02:07:11,640
Speaker 2: couple different people, like there have been there have been

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Speaker 2: coaches that you see, quite honestly, Mo, that leave and

2314
02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:16,920
Speaker 2: you're like, all right, good Rittans, move on and let's

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Speaker 2: get the next one. A lot of people felt that

2316
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Speaker 2: way when Brian Kelly left. People felt that way with

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Speaker 2: Butch Jones. A lot of people felt that way with

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Speaker 2: Tommy Tubberville. The conversations I had last white and last night.

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Speaker 2: I won't feel that way with Wes Miller because I

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Speaker 2: genuinely feel like he's trying to put the work in,

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Speaker 2: and after last night, I genuinely think he cares about

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Speaker 2: the results, and he cares about the University of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: That can be true, but it also can be true

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Speaker 2: that it just seems like in a conference like the

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Speaker 2: Big Twelve, the top of college basketball, feels like from

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02:07:46,360 --> 02:07:48,240
Speaker 2: a coaching standpoint, he's in overseead a little bit.

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Speaker 5: This is a results oriented business. I didn't need last

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Speaker 5: night for me to believe that Wes has poured his

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Speaker 5: heart and soul into this job. Sure, but the results

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Speaker 5: aren't there. And we're going to talk about this today.

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Speaker 5: But I thought the postgame radio and the interaction with

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02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:09,520
Speaker 5: fans outside the locker room, I thought those were very

2333
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Speaker 5: human moments. And I know there's a lot of folks

2334
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Speaker 5: who don't want to hear that. You know, you talked

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Speaker 5: about all the coaches who have left. From a basketball perspective,

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Speaker 5: this is going to be the first. If we assume

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Speaker 5: that the school is going to move on from Wes,

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02:08:21,360 --> 02:08:25,040
Speaker 5: and I think right now that's a fair assumption. This

2339
02:08:25,120 --> 02:08:28,880
Speaker 5: is going to be the first one that is motivated

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Speaker 5: solely by on court results.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's no off court issue.

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Speaker 5: There's no academic issue, there's no cheating issue. He hasn't

2343
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Speaker 5: brought embarrassment to the program by his off court behavior.

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Speaker 5: There's been no player mistreatment. No laws have been broken,

2345
02:08:45,760 --> 02:08:48,800
Speaker 5: there's been none of that. It's simply he's been given

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Speaker 5: five years to achieve certain results and he hasn't. And

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Speaker 5: so this is this is treated differently. And I think also,

2348
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Speaker 5: like you know, the end of the Tubberville regime kind

2349
02:09:01,000 --> 02:09:05,080
Speaker 5: of felt this way, but we haven't gone through this

2350
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:09,640
Speaker 5: like lame duck dead man walking thing before. Look, man,

2351
02:09:10,560 --> 02:09:13,440
Speaker 5: maybe they come out of left field and go on

2352
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Speaker 5: a run and he saves his job. And I think

2353
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Speaker 5: right now, everybody who follows the program and cares about

2354
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Speaker 5: the program expects there to be changed at the end

2355
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Speaker 5: of the season. That is a conclusion that I think

2356
02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:29,000
Speaker 5: people arrived at well before last night. And so there's

2357
02:09:29,080 --> 02:09:32,960
Speaker 5: been just this weird sort of everybody playing their role,

2358
02:09:33,160 --> 02:09:36,240
Speaker 5: not necessarily going through the motions, but everybody's sort of

2359
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:41,000
Speaker 5: existing understanding that when this is over, when this season ends,

2360
02:09:41,440 --> 02:09:44,800
Speaker 5: as a very strong likelihood of a change, and that's

2361
02:09:44,840 --> 02:09:47,440
Speaker 5: not comfortable for everybody. It's why it's fair to ask,

2362
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Speaker 5: and we're going to talk about this today. It's why

2363
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:52,400
Speaker 5: it is fair to ask, if the decision has been

2364
02:09:52,440 --> 02:09:55,200
Speaker 5: made to move on, do you go ahead and just

2365
02:09:55,240 --> 02:09:59,560
Speaker 5: do it now? But yeah, look, I hope Wess has

2366
02:09:59,600 --> 02:10:03,800
Speaker 5: a travel steel sort of resurgence somewhere. There's no reason

2367
02:10:03,840 --> 02:10:06,120
Speaker 5: for me or anybody else to root against him. He

2368
02:10:06,200 --> 02:10:12,560
Speaker 5: has tried, he has cared, he has put in the effort. Yes,

2369
02:10:12,680 --> 02:10:15,800
Speaker 5: you're judged on results. The results aren't there, and after

2370
02:10:15,840 --> 02:10:17,920
Speaker 5: a long period of time of the results not being there,

2371
02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:19,680
Speaker 5: you start to look for somebody else.

2372
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Speaker 2: What else you got coming up on the show today?

2373
02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:25,800
Speaker 4: Well, I guess a couple of things.

2374
02:10:25,800 --> 02:10:28,240
Speaker 5: First of all, Austin, have you bought your your your

2375
02:10:28,280 --> 02:10:30,680
Speaker 5: new Big ten hoodie T shirt?

2376
02:10:30,760 --> 02:10:30,840
Speaker 18: Like?

2377
02:10:31,120 --> 02:10:32,280
Speaker 4: How many of those do you get to buy?

2378
02:10:32,440 --> 02:10:32,800
Speaker 14: That is?

2379
02:10:33,240 --> 02:10:39,400
Speaker 40: So that's just imhorrant stupid what you haven't well as

2380
02:10:39,560 --> 02:10:42,200
Speaker 40: as a fan of a Big ten program, And for

2381
02:10:42,280 --> 02:10:45,360
Speaker 40: those who who haven't seen, the Big Ten is now

2382
02:10:45,440 --> 02:10:49,680
Speaker 40: selling championship Tri effected t shirts with the Big ten

2383
02:10:49,760 --> 02:10:53,400
Speaker 40: logo and it says Tri EFFECTA and then underneath are

2384
02:10:53,440 --> 02:10:57,040
Speaker 40: the logos of Michigan, which won the title two years

2385
02:10:57,080 --> 02:11:00,520
Speaker 40: ago with Ano which one I don't see an asterisks

2386
02:11:00,560 --> 02:11:01,080
Speaker 40: on the T shirt.

2387
02:11:01,120 --> 02:11:04,160
Speaker 2: No, there should be, but there is. There isn't on

2388
02:11:04,280 --> 02:11:06,720
Speaker 2: the shirt, but there I know there isn't on the shirt,

2389
02:11:07,120 --> 02:11:09,760
Speaker 2: but just so we all know, there is an asterisk

2390
02:11:09,960 --> 02:11:12,400
Speaker 2: next to their tear not on the shirt, I said,

2391
02:11:12,520 --> 02:11:18,919
Speaker 2: but just in general, it doesn't on Wikipedia. That's fine.

2392
02:11:19,640 --> 02:11:21,760
Speaker 2: You guys can choose not to see it, or you

2393
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:23,800
Speaker 2: can choose not to acknowledge it. That's fine.

2394
02:11:24,160 --> 02:11:28,240
Speaker 5: I acknowledge what's out there. I acknowledge like concrete things.

2395
02:11:28,520 --> 02:11:31,120
Speaker 5: If there was an asterisk, I would acknowledge that, right,

2396
02:11:31,600 --> 02:11:34,280
Speaker 5: Like I mean, if you want to believe it's tainted,

2397
02:11:34,320 --> 02:11:34,840
Speaker 5: that's fine.

2398
02:11:34,880 --> 02:11:36,800
Speaker 2: But but there is no asterisks, right. If you want

2399
02:11:36,840 --> 02:11:38,360
Speaker 2: to believe it's not, then that's fine as well.

2400
02:11:40,400 --> 02:11:41,920
Speaker 4: So anyway, have you bought the T shirt yet?

2401
02:11:42,040 --> 02:11:44,600
Speaker 2: No, I have been. I've had this take for as

2402
02:11:44,640 --> 02:11:46,520
Speaker 2: long as I can remember, both on the air and

2403
02:11:46,560 --> 02:11:49,040
Speaker 2: off the air. I don't root for my conference. I

2404
02:11:49,120 --> 02:11:51,440
Speaker 2: was rooting against Indiana in the Big in the National

2405
02:11:51,480 --> 02:11:54,920
Speaker 2: Championship game. I think that is so stupid. I would

2406
02:11:54,960 --> 02:11:57,879
Speaker 2: never root for the Steelers or the Ravens or the Browns.

2407
02:11:57,920 --> 02:11:59,960
Speaker 2: I'm certainly not gonna root for anybody in my conference,

2408
02:12:00,160 --> 02:12:01,640
Speaker 2: and so I'm sure as hell I'm not going to

2409
02:12:01,720 --> 02:12:03,440
Speaker 2: wear a shirt with the other two schools on it.

2410
02:12:04,240 --> 02:12:07,080
Speaker 4: All right, we're on the same Yeah, I'm great.

2411
02:12:07,400 --> 02:12:11,200
Speaker 2: So it's Friday, afternoon. You're good, I'm great, right. That

2412
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:14,480
Speaker 2: cheating thing makes me mad and almost you know, I

2413
02:12:14,720 --> 02:12:18,000
Speaker 2: just hate those people. Go ahead.

2414
02:12:19,240 --> 02:12:23,280
Speaker 5: Also, I'm doing the show from home today, really and yeah,

2415
02:12:23,440 --> 02:12:26,520
Speaker 5: so I'm not I'm not in the building, but I

2416
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:28,080
Speaker 5: got the memo from my boss?

2417
02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:30,600
Speaker 4: What is going on there?

2418
02:12:31,240 --> 02:12:32,520
Speaker 2: Did I miss another memo?

2419
02:12:33,120 --> 02:12:33,280
Speaker 17: Oh?

2420
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do.

2421
02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:41,200
Speaker 5: From our boss and it it reminds employees to do

2422
02:12:41,240 --> 02:12:45,480
Speaker 5: the following. Please put dishes in the sink. Please clean

2423
02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:49,320
Speaker 5: up after your spills. If something explodes or leaks in

2424
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:52,280
Speaker 5: the microwave, that's the same as a spill.

2425
02:12:53,080 --> 02:12:54,680
Speaker 4: What is going on there?

2426
02:12:55,720 --> 02:12:56,240
Speaker 10: Why can I.

2427
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Speaker 4: Have no idea? That's a that's an entirely different issue.

2428
02:13:01,560 --> 02:13:06,520
Speaker 5: But this is the workplace we've chosen, mo I don't

2429
02:13:06,800 --> 02:13:10,320
Speaker 5: I want to know from my audience today? Are we

2430
02:13:10,480 --> 02:13:14,880
Speaker 5: the only workplace where our boss, a high level media executive,

2431
02:13:15,320 --> 02:13:18,360
Speaker 5: has to send a memo to a place that is

2432
02:13:18,400 --> 02:13:23,240
Speaker 5: inhabited by adults. It's not a preschool, and he literally

2433
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:25,600
Speaker 5: has to take time out of his day making important

2434
02:13:25,640 --> 02:13:29,760
Speaker 5: decisions asking the employees to clean up spills and put

2435
02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:31,040
Speaker 5: their dishes in the sink.

2436
02:13:31,360 --> 02:13:33,440
Speaker 4: What is going on at iHeartMedia?

2437
02:13:33,560 --> 02:13:35,440
Speaker 2: I was gonna say I don't see mo in the

2438
02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:38,800
Speaker 2: kitchen very often, and I think that's by design. Mode

2439
02:13:39,040 --> 02:13:41,840
Speaker 2: purposely stays out of there, but it is it can

2440
02:13:41,880 --> 02:13:44,640
Speaker 2: be bad. The list of people that I know that

2441
02:13:44,640 --> 02:13:47,960
Speaker 2: that congregate to the kitchen quite something we talked earlier

2442
02:13:47,960 --> 02:13:49,800
Speaker 2: in the show that we have people we work with

2443
02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:52,920
Speaker 2: that don't wash their hands, and we'll we give you

2444
02:13:52,960 --> 02:13:55,880
Speaker 2: an excuse for why they don't wash your hands wash

2445
02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:59,040
Speaker 2: their hands, and that I think is reflective of the

2446
02:13:59,080 --> 02:14:01,360
Speaker 2: mentality of people who don't clean up after themselves in

2447
02:14:01,400 --> 02:14:01,800
Speaker 2: the kitchen.

2448
02:14:01,880 --> 02:14:03,920
Speaker 5: And by the way, for what it's worth, Tony, I

2449
02:14:03,960 --> 02:14:05,520
Speaker 5: don't know if you're a part of this, but Austin

2450
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:07,840
Speaker 5: and I have a little bit of a like an understanding.

2451
02:14:07,880 --> 02:14:09,760
Speaker 5: If you're in the bathroom and you see another one

2452
02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:12,400
Speaker 5: of your employees, your coworkers, who's not washing their hands,

2453
02:14:12,680 --> 02:14:15,440
Speaker 5: we have a duty to tell each other. Like we

2454
02:14:15,480 --> 02:14:18,000
Speaker 5: won't rat them out to everybody, but won't rite them

2455
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:20,800
Speaker 5: out to each other. Yes, So like there's a list

2456
02:14:20,800 --> 02:14:22,720
Speaker 5: of folks we work with that I am fist bump

2457
02:14:22,800 --> 02:14:26,960
Speaker 5: only with. But I want to know if other workplaces

2458
02:14:27,000 --> 02:14:30,360
Speaker 5: have the boss have to remind people to put dishes

2459
02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:32,760
Speaker 5: in the sink and clean up your spills.

2460
02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:35,600
Speaker 2: And what's funny enough about it is that other people

2461
02:14:36,040 --> 02:14:38,040
Speaker 2: that many of the people that have cleaned up the

2462
02:14:38,080 --> 02:14:42,080
Speaker 2: kitchen in the past have put notes up there, signs

2463
02:14:42,200 --> 02:14:46,440
Speaker 2: in there already, yes, and people ignore them.

2464
02:14:46,960 --> 02:14:50,000
Speaker 5: Let's be honest. It ain't like we have four hundred employees,

2465
02:14:50,880 --> 02:14:53,080
Speaker 5: you know. It's It's not like you can hide in numbers.

2466
02:14:53,760 --> 02:14:55,840
Speaker 5: There's only a handful of folks that are working there

2467
02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:58,280
Speaker 5: at any one time. It shouldn't be hard to figure

2468
02:14:58,280 --> 02:15:01,160
Speaker 5: out who's not cleaning up their spills. Yeah, maybe we'll

2469
02:15:01,160 --> 02:15:04,640
Speaker 5: out some of those folks. Pro Football Hall of Fame

2470
02:15:04,720 --> 02:15:07,040
Speaker 5: voting went down last night. Maybe now more people look

2471
02:15:07,040 --> 02:15:08,440
Speaker 5: at the Hall of Fame the way I do. Are

2472
02:15:08,520 --> 02:15:12,760
Speaker 5: Arizona fans picking fights with Miami fans? Wes Miller's Human

2473
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:17,240
Speaker 5: Moment anywhere from five to seven bets to make on

2474
02:15:17,280 --> 02:15:20,560
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl and a REDS based wager that I

2475
02:15:20,640 --> 02:15:27,680
Speaker 5: absolutely love, No that and so much more between three

2476
02:15:27,680 --> 02:15:28,480
Speaker 5: and six.

2477
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Speaker 2: Next mo, have a great show, I have a great weekend.

2478
02:15:33,720 --> 02:15:37,080
Speaker 2: Clean up your own spill on your own gas. I

2479
02:15:37,080 --> 02:15:39,040
Speaker 2: got to go. Request to get back into company email

2480
02:15:39,080 --> 02:15:43,360
Speaker 2: for the third time this week. Awesome. Mowagger's next ESPN

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02:15:43,400 --> 02:15:46,400
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Have a great weekend. We'll

2482
02:15:46,400 --> 02:16:15,920
Speaker 2: do it again on Monday. Super Bowl sixty is here.