1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: It's nice eyes with Dan Ray. I'm telling Mazy Boston's 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: news Radio. 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: All right, so we have a very interesting Tuesday night 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 2: ahead of us. We have four very interesting guests in 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: the first hour and then we're gonna deal with three 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: different topics and three different guests. Going to talk with 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Massachusetts State Senator Nick Collins about the continuing problem at 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: mass and cass and he believes he has a solution 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: which should help the problem, maybe even solve the problem. 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: Going to talk about that startling development in the Brian 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: Walsh murder case. He's accused of murdering his late wife 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: in a Walsh today, he pled guilty to two subordinate 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: charges if you will, one of which dealt with transportation 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: of her body and misleading police. Will get to all 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: of that. We will also talk at eleven o'clock about 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: distressing your life. Think you're burned out, Well you'll have 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: an opportunity to perhaps break that psych of exhaustion and 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: overwhelm and self doubt. We're gonna be talking with Amy Lenacers. 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: She's a former corporate executive. So we have some interesting topics. 20 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: And by the way, if you miss any of the topics, 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: all you have to do is go to Nightside on 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: demand at any point, probably by two o'clock this morning. 23 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: Tonight's show. All of our shows broadcast are available in 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: podcast form. Again, my name is Dan Ray. I'm the 25 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 2: host of the show. Rob Brooks is back in the 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: control room. He of course is the producer. He'll set 27 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: you up with phone calls beginning at nine o'clock. We're 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 2: going to start off tonight with a really interesting story 29 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: that I saw on the Boston Globe. And with us 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: is Adam Sandel. He teaches at Harvard Law School. I 31 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: assume you're a graduate of Harvard Law School as well. Adam, 32 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: Welcome to Nightside. 33 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: Thank you, Dan, it's good to be with you. 34 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: Well, this story in the Globe, written by Billy Baker, 35 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: really caught my eye. You are in the Guinness Book 36 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: of World Records for doing all sorts of things in 37 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: the gym that deal with upper body strength. Tell us, 38 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: you know, we're that you have a competitor, a guy 39 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 2: from Gloucester, who were gonna certainly mention him as well. He's, 40 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: I guess, become quite a friend of yours. H and 41 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 2: his name is Ron Cooper from Glocester. We'll get to 42 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: him in a moment. But you're a young guy. You're 43 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: thirty seven graduate of Harvard Law School, you have a 44 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: PhD from Oxford, and I guess you also teach at 45 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: the law school now, But you spend a lot of 46 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: time in the gym doing pull ups. How did that 47 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: interest develop? 48 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 3: Well, I've always been a big sports guy. So I 49 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 3: grew up around here in the Boston area, grew up 50 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: in Brookline, playing a lot of baseball, and I initially, 51 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: you know, at the end of high school, just wanted 52 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: to get stronger, to be able to hit home runs 53 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: for the first time. You know, I was always the 54 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: smallest kid in my high school baseball team, and so 55 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 3: initially I just started working out to get better at baseball. 56 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 3: And then in college I came to like it for 57 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: its own sake, and a roommate of mine and I 58 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 3: would just work out together, you know, six days a week, 59 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 3: just to get as strong as we could. But then 60 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: it was in twenty fifteen that I learned of this guy, 61 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: Ron Cooper. He mentioned, who I learned had set the 62 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: Guinness World Record for most pull ups in a minute 63 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: at that time with a forty pound backpack, and the 64 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: number was twenty five, and I said to myself, Wow, 65 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: that's impressive. You know. It's like I got to meet 66 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: this guy because I had been doing some pull ups. 67 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 3: They were always my favorite exercise, and so I just 68 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: cold called him and the rest is history. So he 69 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 3: was the one who really put the Guinness World Record 70 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: stuff on my radar. Before that, it was just a 71 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: hobby that I really enjoyed, and you have crushed it. 72 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: First of all, well, what is the difference between know 73 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: pull up and a chin up? It looks the same, 74 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: but I guess the hand grip is different. 75 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: So pull up is with hands facing outward. Chin up 76 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: is hands facing. 77 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: Inward, which is easier. 78 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting if you ask a beginner just to 79 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: close their eyes, grab the bar, try to pull themselves up, 80 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: they're naturally going to take a chin up grip. It 81 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,559 Speaker 3: engages the biceps more. It's a muscle. It's a little 82 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: bit more commonly developed in people, so naturally a chin 83 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,799 Speaker 3: up is going to be easier if it's your first time. 84 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 3: But interestingly enough, at the highest level it kind of 85 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 3: converges so that those are about the same level of difficulty. 86 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting that this is pretty scientific. I mean, 87 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: when when you watch folks in the gym doing this, 88 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: and I spend time in the gym, but I'm more 89 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 2: of an elliptical guy. Okay, I'm worried about cardiac and 90 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: think cardiology and things like that, but I might get interested. 91 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: And it's been a long time, so of them pull 92 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: ups or chin ups? You there's a science to this. 93 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: And where do you stand? Have you won the battle 94 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: of world records? Ron is a few years. He's got 95 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 2: a few years on you, is what I'm trying to say. 96 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: You're a younger You're a younger. 97 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: Guy he does. He's actually forty seven years old, and 98 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 3: it's extremely impressive and inspiring to me, and I think 99 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: to a lot of people that he's breaking records at 100 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 3: forty seven. So it shows that if you stay consistent 101 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 3: with something you know, even with such an intense athletic thing, 102 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 3: you can do really well. So I currently hold the 103 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: record for most pull ups in a minute. That's just 104 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 3: standard pull ups, and that's seventy seven pull ups in 105 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: a minute. 106 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: That's nothing standard about that. I mean seventy seven pull ups. 107 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: Most people would have tough time doing seven pull ups, 108 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: even if they were pretty good shape. So you now 109 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: you're at Harvard, so you're a Cambridge guy. He's up 110 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 2: in Gloucester. As I understand that, do you guys get 111 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: together and work out together. I mean, there's a competition here, 112 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 2: but there's also a collegiality. It seems to me it's 113 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: a great story. 114 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 3: Oh well, thank you. Yeah, we get together pretty much 115 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 3: every Saturday, and we've been doing this for the past 116 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: ten years almost and I think if you ask either 117 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: of us, what we would say is that we wouldn't 118 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 3: nearly be where we are with the pull ups and 119 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: with the chin ups without each other. And partly it's 120 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 3: just yeah, partly it's just seeing is believing, you know, 121 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 3: being together seeing somebody else do it. But also it's 122 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: just the creativity and designing workouts because it's kind of 123 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 3: uncharted territory. So we just experiment with how to design 124 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: workouts and riff off each other every day when we 125 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 3: work out together to find what we can do just 126 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 3: a little bit differently, to keep pushing the boundary of 127 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 3: this activity of pull ups. 128 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: I love to phrase ther riff off each other. The 129 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: image is a couple of guys with a guitar playing 130 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: playing together and then maybe playing off one another. So 131 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: here's my real question. I'm assuming that if you were 132 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: a baseball player in high school, you still occasionally, maybe 133 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: in the summertime, go out and hit a softball, right, sure, Okay, 134 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: So how much has this expertise and push ups given 135 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: you in terms of hitting softballs for power? Are you 136 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: you're really able? I'm assuming you're able to clock these 137 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: slow pitch softballs. 138 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean, it's the thing about hitting a 139 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 3: ball is it's so technical, requires such hand eye. But yeah, 140 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: you know, if I got back in the groove of it, 141 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 3: I think I could. I could hit it pretty well still, 142 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: but definitely when I was younger, after i'd started working out. 143 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: You know, I never was a home run hitter. I'm 144 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: five to eight weigh one hundred and fifty pounds, so 145 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 3: you know, I was not not a power guy, but 146 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: definitely with the working ad, even with that relatively small 147 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: frame for baseball, I could hit it out well. 148 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: Patroya used to do a pretty good job of hitting 149 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: now with a frame very similar to that too. He 150 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: would hit laser shots. So that's what I suspect you 151 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: probably did. It would be interesting to know if any 152 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: Major League ballplayers of whatever size are utilizing your workout 153 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: regimen to basically get from a you know, warning track 154 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 2: power guy that extra twenty feet that puts the ball 155 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 2: over the fence. Have any major league ballplayers you know 156 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: checked in with you, because I'll tell you, I think 157 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: there's something. I think you got something here that that 158 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: could you could actually market to major league ballplayers. I'm 159 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: serious when I say this. 160 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: By the way, well I think that would be very cool. 161 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 3: No to answer your question, none ever to me, But 162 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 3: you know, one can always continue to hope. 163 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you don't. Don't put that thought 164 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 2: out of your mind, because do you remember there's a 165 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: lefty pitcher, Tom House. Uh, he's now I think a 166 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: pitching coach in the Rangers organization. He developed the idea 167 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: to strengthen pitchers pitchers throw footballs, and he was considered. 168 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: It was like, what are you talking about throwing footballs? 169 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: And that actually works from major league pitchers, And so 170 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: think about that one. I'm telling you right now, Adam, 171 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 2: you may have something there. You got some guys who 172 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: hit fifteen or you know, eighteen home runs a year. 173 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 2: If you can pop them up to thirty, Uh, you'd 174 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: be doing him a huge favor, huge favor, Adam Sandel. 175 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the conversation. Always good to talk to. 176 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 2: Basically a baseball guy who now is a world champion 177 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: Guinness Book of Record, push out, push up and pull 178 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: up guy. Not push up guy, but pull up guy. 179 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 3: Uh. 180 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: Just it's a great story and I hope everyone gets 181 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: a chance to read it in the Boston Globe. 182 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 3: Well, thank you, it was great to chat with you. 183 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: How are things going in Harvard Law School these days? 184 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: I hope pretty well. 185 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, things are good, you believe it or not. I 186 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 3: did some poll ups at an end of semester event. 187 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that would have impressed. That would have 188 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: impressed again, Brain and Braun. Adam, thank you so much. 189 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 2: Great to talk with you tonight. Keep us posted when 190 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: when you break up some more world records. Okay, thanks, 191 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: thanks so much. 192 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: I will Thanks Dan. 193 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna keep rolling here we come back. 194 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: We're going to talk with a representative of Fire. This 195 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: is a wonderful organization. Harvey Silverglade founded it many years ago. 196 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking with Nathan Honeycut about the importance 197 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: of free speech and what importance the American public puts 198 00:10:54,679 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: on this in free speech, the Foundation of individual Rights 199 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 2: an Expression. We'll be back on Nightside. It's a Tuesday 200 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: night and we just are at seven nine rather eight 201 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 2: nineteen on my clock, which I coordinated with Rob, so 202 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: I actually be able to give you good time checks tonight. 203 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: Back on Nightside right after this. 204 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ, Boston's 205 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: news radio. 206 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of the Foundation for Individual Rights 207 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: and Expression FIRE, co founded by my great friend Harvey 208 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: Silverglade from Cambridge with us as Nathan Honeycutt. He's the 209 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: FIRE research fellow and polling manager. Nathan, Welcome to Nightside. 210 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: You are not the first person from FIRE to be 211 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 2: on this program, but we follow what you guys do, 212 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: and you have do a study every I guess quarter 213 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: on the number of Americans who think that free speech 214 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: might be heading in the wrong direction. That's why we 215 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 2: have you on tonight. First of all, welcome to Nightside. 216 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 2: How are you, Nathan? I hope things well with. 217 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 4: You doing well? Thank you for having me tonight. I 218 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 4: always loved coming on and talking about our newest data. 219 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately, your newest data is not something that any 220 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: of US should be happy about because merely now, somewhere 221 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: around seventy four percent of Americans, according to a quarterly 222 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: National Speech Index, I think that things are headed in 223 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: the wrong direction for free speech. Only twenty six percent 224 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: who think things are headed in the right direction. And 225 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: this represents a ten point jump since last July. What's 226 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: going on? This is scary. 227 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the highest we've ever seen it for 228 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 4: Americans saying I think the their ability to express themselves 229 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 4: freely is heading in the wrong direction. It's been in 230 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 4: the high sixties before, but seventy four percent is a 231 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 4: new high. I mean, we sliced this by a variety 232 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 4: of different things. We looked at it. One of the 233 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 4: most interesting was we looked at it by political party registration. 234 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 4: Since Trump was elected, Republicans confidence and the state of 235 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 4: free speech has steadily increased. But even among Republicans this 236 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 4: quarter there was over a ten point drop. Stand like 237 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 4: that things took a turn. 238 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 2: And there's also a drop amongst registered Independents and also Democrats. 239 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: Only eleven percent of Democrats think that The question is 240 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 2: when it comes to whether people are able to freely 241 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 2: express their views, do you think things in America are 242 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: heading in the right direction. So is it common for 243 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 2: the party that is out of power to feel that 244 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: we're heading in the wrong direction because of the fact 245 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 2: that they're out of power, or how does that play again? 246 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: Everybody's feeling worse about free speech, Republicans, Independence, and Democrats. 247 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: But is it normally the party that's in power for 248 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,599 Speaker 2: feels better and the party out of power feels worse. 249 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 4: From what we've seen in our polling. Yes, So we 250 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 4: first started the National Speech Index back in January twenty 251 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 4: twenty fourth, we almost had two years worth the data, 252 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 4: and back then, consistently January twenty four until October twenty 253 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 4: twenty four, because Biden was president, then Democrats consistently said, yeah, 254 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 4: free speech is heading in the right direction, and Republicans 255 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 4: and wavered around like nineteen to twenty six percent saying 256 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 4: it's heading in the right direction. January twenty twenty five 257 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 4: hit and it was just a mere reversal all of 258 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 4: a sudden. Republicans shot from around twenty four percent saying 259 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 4: it's heading in the right direction up into the sixties, 260 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 4: and then Democrats just the exact opposite, dropped from the 261 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 4: fifties down to seventeen and now, this is the lowest 262 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 4: we've ever seen in any group Democrats that eleven Republicans 263 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 4: were never even that low. 264 00:14:54,200 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 5: Well have experienced, you know, people who every normal person 265 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 5: and when I say normal, except for the people on 266 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 5: the extremes of either party. 267 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: Uh. And sometimes I actually have the feeling say whatever 268 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: you want, because if you are a virulent racist, I'd 269 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: like to know that. Okay, if you're a virulent anti semit, 270 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: you know, expose yourself, let us know who you really are. 271 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: And there's a there's an advantage of that. But most 272 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: normal Americans understand that there are certain language, uh, certain 273 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: certain phrases and words that really should be in no 274 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: one's lexicon. 275 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 5: Uh. 276 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 2: In my opinion, I might you may disagree with me. 277 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 2: I'm I consider myself somewhat of an absolutist and free speech. However, 278 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: we've had the left assaulting free speech in this country 279 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: now for a good ten or so years, you know, 280 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: with microaggressions, macroaggressions, people correcting, you know, and sometimes the 281 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: terminology is you know what, you know, what phrase does 282 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: someone want to be called? I mean, there's a lot 283 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: of stuff going on that is and it's costing friendships 284 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: and we'll have arguments over Thanksgiving dinners in the next 285 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: ten days or so nine days. We're not in a 286 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: good place right now as a country. 287 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's pretty pretty dark, pretty dismal in terms 288 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 4: of what people are thinking. And I mean, yeah, that's 289 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 4: it's it's over the last ten years or so, I 290 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 4: would agree in many of the cases that FIRE has 291 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 4: taken and Fire over the last ten years has been 292 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 4: perceived as a conservative, right leaning, right leaning organization because 293 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 4: so many of the people we were helping were on 294 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 4: the right, because they're the ones who had their their 295 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 4: speech rights under attack. But I agree with you entirely. 296 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 4: It's like, I want to know who the racist is 297 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 4: in the room. I want to know who the anti 298 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 4: semites or or anybody who holds extreme views, because if 299 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 4: they're hiding it, then you can't do anything about it. 300 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 4: You can't have an open discussion and try to change 301 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 4: someone's views. And people's views usually become more extreme when 302 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 4: they're siloed off and can't share them. So I think 303 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 4: for a lot of Democrats, they're waking up, Oh wow, 304 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 4: like this this is kind of the bed we made 305 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 4: over the last ten years. This isn't great. Now we're 306 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 4: not the party in power. Now it's us who are 307 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 4: coming under attack. And so I think it's turning a 308 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 4: lot of Democrats towards the free speech movement saying, yeah, 309 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 4: this isn't good. We need to get things back on track. 310 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 2: Well again, I think it was Charlie Kirk who said 311 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 2: that when the conversation stops, that's when the violence begins, 312 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: or something like that. And I'll tell you every point 313 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: of view is welcome on this show. I'm not going 314 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: to agree with every point of view. I'm not some 315 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 2: guy who's doing Expandon's going to sit there and say, oh, 316 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 2: thank you for yes. No, no, no, I'll tell you 317 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 2: if I agree with you not. But all points of 318 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 2: view are welcome here. And certainly Fire is always welcome 319 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: here because it's a great organization. It is a non 320 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: partisan organization, and it is an organization that all of 321 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 2: us need. So thanks very much. How can folks get 322 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: in Fire? Get in touch with Fire if they would 323 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 2: like to look at your publications or support you give 324 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: us a good website. 325 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can visit at that fire dot org. And 326 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 4: we've got lots of information on how to sign up 327 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 4: for email updates, how to read this report. It's in 328 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 4: the research section, and tons of data out there. We 329 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 4: do our annual survey with students, surveys with faculty, this tracker, 330 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 4: so lots of good stuff for people interested in this data, 331 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 4: free speech and what they should be looking out for. 332 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 2: Nathan again, welcome back, come on back, So thank you 333 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: so much for your time tonight. 334 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 4: Well do thanks so much for having me tonight, very welcome. 335 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 2: The news is next, and then right after that we're 336 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 2: going to talk with Chaplain Clementina Cherry. She founded the 337 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 2: Lewis D. Brown Peace Institute in honor of her son, 338 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: Lewis D. Brown, who was murdered. They do incredible work. 339 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 2: As the twenty fifth annual Survivors of Homicide Victims Awareness 340 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: Month opening ceremony, we will talk with Chaplain Clementina Sherry 341 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 2: when we get back. Last night, we did talk, as 342 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: I think many of you know, with a Boston pastor, 343 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: member here of the clergy who's very concerned about the 344 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 2: number of homicides in what he called the murdered Triangle. 345 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 2: We'll talk with Chaplin Cherry right after the news at 346 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 2: the bottom of the. 347 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: Hour here on Nightside with Dan Ray. I'm w Boston's 348 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: News Radio. 349 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 2: I want to welcome back to Night'side, Chaplain Clementina Cherry Chaplin, 350 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: welcome back to Nightside. How are you tonight? 351 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 6: I am blessed. Thank you so much for the invitation. 352 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 2: We're blessed to have you, that's for sure. You have 353 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 2: for twenty five years now. Then the backbone of the 354 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: Lewis D. Brown Peace Institute, named in honor of your son, 355 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 2: Lewis D. Brown, who was murdered twenty five years. 356 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 6: Ago and thirty two years ago. 357 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 2: Two. Oh, my god, we're getting older. 358 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 6: December yeh, next month will be thirty two years. 359 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 2: Oh. The reason I was saying twenty five is if 360 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: tomorrow is the twenty fifth annual Survivors of Homicide Victims 361 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 2: Awareness Month opening ceremony, tell us about that. It's going 362 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: to be at the State House, right. 363 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 6: It's going to be at the State House at the 364 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 6: Great Hall. Yeah. We decided to do that, the thing 365 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 6: with families of murdered victims because nothing has physically happened 366 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 6: to us. There's really no attention being put the way 367 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 6: we observe domestic violence, sexual assault, hate crimes, LGBTQ, all 368 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 6: the important issues that we are dealing with when it 369 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 6: came to murdered victims, there was no place for us 370 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 6: because nothing physically happened to us, and so we wanted 371 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 6: to let our voices be heard. We are here. We 372 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 6: are more than a story, We are more than a headline. 373 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 6: We are families whose loved ones have been murdered, and 374 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 6: we deserve to be treated with dignity and compassion. So 375 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 6: we work with our state legislators to really say, how 376 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 6: do we find a time that talks about those families 377 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 6: in the aftermath of a homicide? And Cheryl Jakes and 378 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 6: Maurice Saint Floyd at that time state Senator and State rep. 379 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 6: We worked with survivors from across the state, providers institutions 380 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 6: to create a Survivors of Homicide Victims Awareness Month November 381 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 6: twentieth through December twentieth, close enough to the holidays, but 382 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 6: not too close to the holidays, and it offers an 383 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 6: opportunity to educate the public, policymakers, and religious leaders the 384 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 6: effect and the impact that homicide has on families and communities, 385 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 6: and also to uplift the peace building efforts of those 386 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 6: of us whose loved ones have been murdered and how 387 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 6: we are contributing to the better of our city. 388 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 2: Well, you know it's ironic. Last night we spent two 389 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 2: hours with Reverend Kevin Peterson and the New Democracy Coalition 390 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: talking about what some folks in the UH in the Rochester, 391 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: in the Dorchester, Roxbury, Mattapan, Hyde Park, South End community 392 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: to talk about the murdered triangle. And the point that 393 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: we that I was trying to make last night was 394 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 2: that we have for too long as the society tolerated 395 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 2: what what is happening to young men, particularly young black 396 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: men UH in that in that part of Boston UH, 397 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: and Reverend Peterson also said that there was not much 398 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 2: support from the elected officials. So last night we were 399 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 2: UH commemorating the the eighteen year old young young girl, 400 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: the young woman from Walden, Jacana Lewis, who was shot 401 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 2: on October eleventh and was on life support for several 402 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: weeks and finally her organs were harvested and she has passed. 403 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 2: And we talked to her all, who was very eloquent 404 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: last night, and a couple of her cousins. And the 405 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 2: problem is that this just goes on and on and on, 406 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 2: and every week, every month there's another family impacted and 407 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 2: God knows, you have been in the forefront of this 408 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: battle for you know, for thirty two years, and I 409 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 2: don't know how we can stop it. One thing that 410 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: I do know, Joplin Cherry, is that if this sort 411 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 2: of murder rate was occurring in some of our suburbs, 412 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: that the politicians would do everything up to and including 413 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: heavy the National Guard on every street corner to stop it. 414 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 2: But it just seems that the political leaders in Boston 415 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: are not responding to this in the way that it 416 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 2: needs to be responded to. We talked about Dolores Brown, 417 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: the grandmother who was shot to death while sitting on 418 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: her fortune a couple of springs ago. We've talked about 419 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: other kids as young as ten and twelve. How do 420 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: we end this? No one has seen it more than 421 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: you have, and what is the solution. Is there a solution? 422 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 6: Well, yes, there is a solution, and you've just said it. 423 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 6: If this was in a white neighborhood, the attention would 424 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 6: be astronomically every news media. But because it's black, and 425 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 6: it's because the narrative when Lewis was killed, that's what 426 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 6: it was. It was a drug deal gone bad. The 427 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 6: narrative was already placed there and there's no accountability. Let 428 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 6: me explain somethings and let. 429 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: Me just say one thing. Recollection of Lewis's death was 430 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 2: that he was an outstanding student. There was no he was. 431 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 2: He was the victim. He had he was doing nothing wrong. 432 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 2: And you're right, maybe people think reactively, oh it has 433 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: to be a bad kid that could shot exactly, That's 434 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 2: what it was. 435 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 6: We switched the narrative. We took control of the narrative. 436 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 6: And I think that's the part that we as a community. 437 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 6: And this is not new. This happened in nineteen ninety six. 438 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 6: It happened when when when the Boston miracle happened, and 439 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 6: there is no follow up. So this is bigger than 440 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 6: we are and we have to do strategically one the day. 441 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 6: That tells us in order to address the issue of violence, 442 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 6: intervention must happen at multiple level. Right now, the more murder, 443 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 6: the more money this city gets, and it's invested in 444 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 6: police and prosecution, we need to invest in primary prevention. 445 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 6: That's what the data tells us too. We've got churches 446 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 6: in every one of these neighborhoods and a lot of 447 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 6: these families the victim families and those who are accused 448 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 6: of killing belong to these churches. We as a society 449 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 6: then pick and choose who we want to. There's a 450 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 6: homicide that just happened on Saturday. Why aren't we reporting 451 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 6: on this young man that was killed? They're eighteen hundred 452 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 6: nsold murders in the city of Boston. We work at 453 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 6: Northeastern University to issue a report and trying to get 454 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 6: attention to this. So there's so many things that we 455 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 6: can do. The media needs to begin to challenge murder 456 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 6: triangle that it's my soul. We call annunciation road, we 457 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 6: call it assassination roads. When the homicides happened in Mattterpan, 458 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 6: we called it Birderpand we are more than the headlines. 459 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 6: We are more than what IM media say is so 460 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 6: I get it. I was one of those that felt 461 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 6: that we got a report of all the bad things. 462 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 6: But as people are faith, it has to be more 463 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 6: than just the headlines. It has to balance. Look at 464 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 6: all of those survivors twenty four homicide and when we 465 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 6: pick and choose. I respect Ververon Peterson, but what happened 466 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 6: to the twenty three homicides and why didn't we come 467 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 6: out to support all of those families. So that's the 468 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 6: part of the community chaplain. 469 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: That's exactly what has to happen. And I think again 470 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: that as opposed to just the TV stations going over 471 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 2: there and taking pictures of the police lights and the 472 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: yellow tape, they need to start telling the stories of 473 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 2: the families who have been ripped apart. 474 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 6: And I just and that's what we want to do. 475 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 6: We want to train the news media. We've developed our curriculum. 476 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 6: How do you respond and report in a way that's 477 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 6: ethical and compassion How do we make sure when we're 478 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 6: going to respond to families, we're doing it with a 479 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 6: way that it's not just the headlines. If it bleeds, 480 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 6: it leads. 481 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 2: As you know, I've been in this city a long 482 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: time a television reporter and now's the talk show host, 483 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 2: and I have talked about every one of these murders, 484 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 2: particularly the ones like Dolores Brown's sixty year old grandmother. 485 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: And you always have opportunity to come on my show. 486 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: So any you know my numbers, anytime that you feel necessary, 487 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 2: please call me. If you don't have my direct number, 488 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: I'll have Rob give it to you. Because I grew 489 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 2: up in the city. Yeah, I went to school from 490 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 2: every with kids from every section of the k of 491 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 2: the city. We're no longer kids, but it's our responsibility 492 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: as to make the city better. So I'm an ally, 493 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 2: I'm an asset. Please let's do this, take advantage of 494 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: this program. 495 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 6: Okay, I do you know what? Thank you for that invitation. 496 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 6: I definitely will because for us, every time someone is 497 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 6: murder on us street, it's again the families and then 498 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 6: looking at those that committed the crime. We are within 499 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 6: the same neighborhood, so we're not We're losing at both ends, 500 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 6: and that's the work where we are called to do 501 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 6: what God is asking us to do. Act justly, love, mercifully, 502 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 6: and humbly obey your God. Call us a murder triangle. 503 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 6: We're impacted on both sides as a homicide. 504 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: And by the way, you know you're much more religious 505 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 2: than I am. But for God that I know doesn't 506 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 2: discriminate between kids who are born in Roxbury or kids 507 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 2: who were born in Wellesley and ag and every one 508 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 2: of us are made in the likeness and image and 509 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 2: each of one of us is a precious soul. So 510 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 2: please feel free to always be in touch with me, Robi, 511 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: give you my direct number. How can folks support the 512 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 2: Lewis D. Brown Peace Initiative? Do you want to give 513 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: us a website that people can check out? 514 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 6: Yes, we are right now on a twenty five million 515 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 6: dollar campaign. We're building a national center of healing, teaching, 516 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 6: and learning. People can join us build with us LdB 517 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 6: P S Peace Institute dot org. And they're also welcome 518 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 6: to join us tomorrow at the Statehouse ten to twelve 519 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 6: and the Great Hall. We're always looking for volunteers. 520 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 2: All right, Chaplin, Thank you so much. John, God bless 521 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: you and God bless the work you do. 522 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 6: Thank you so much, man, thank you so much for 523 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 6: the invitation. 524 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 2: Dan, very welcome, stay there and Robi give you my 525 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 2: direct line. Okay, we get back. We're going to talk 526 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: about traveling over Thanksgiving. Gonna talk with Gillian Young. She's 527 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 2: the director of public relations for Triple A Northeast. Nearly 528 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: eighty two million Americans projected to travel over Thanksgiving. We'll 529 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 2: give you the holiday travel forecast coming up on the 530 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: other side of the break. 531 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray, IBZ Boston's news Radio. 532 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving is nine days away. My favorite holiday of the year. 533 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 2: With us. Jillian Young, director of public relations for tripa 534 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 2: A Northeast. Jillian, Welcome back to night Side. It's gonna 535 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 2: be a very busy Thanksgiving. The government shutdown is over. 536 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 2: I think that the air traffic is coming back to 537 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 2: a semblance of normalcy and eighty two million Americans are 538 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 2: going to travel, most of them by car. What are 539 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 2: we looking at overall? The one thing we kind of 540 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 2: talk about is the weather, but we can talk about 541 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 2: the numbers that the Triple A's projecting tell us about them. 542 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, Dan, slights resuming to normal just in time for 543 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 7: one of the busiest travel times of the whole year. 544 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 7: And as you said, yet, we're projecting nearly eighty two 545 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 7: million people are going to travel a lease fifty miles 546 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 7: from home over this holiday period and Thanksgiving is the 547 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 7: single busiest holiday for travel that we see. So, you know, 548 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 7: we're not surprised to see that this many people are 549 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 7: planning to get out there, and it's not surprising that 550 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 7: people are willing to kind of brave the crowds, deal 551 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 7: with some traffic, make some last minute adjustments to their 552 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 7: plans if they needed to. Everyone's going to do what 553 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 7: they have to do to travel for Thanksgiving. 554 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 2: Well, here's your projections. Here. You have the numbers of travelers. Obviously, 555 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 2: if we go back to twenty nineteen, it was about 556 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 2: eighty million, excuse me, seventy eight million. Big drop. In 557 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 2: twenty twenty when COVID was roaring, it dropped down well 558 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 2: thirty three percent. You were down about fifty six million, 559 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 2: and it came back pretty quickly. In twenty twenty one, 560 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 2: it jumped up seventeen million, up to seventy three million, 561 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 2: and it grew in twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, 562 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 2: and it's going to hit the highest number ever eighty 563 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: one point eight million. Surprisingly, I was stunned to see 564 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 2: that ninety percent are people who are traveling by car, 565 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 2: seventy and a half percent by airplane, and about three 566 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 2: percent by other which I assume are mostly either trains 567 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 2: or buses. 568 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, we should count cruises in that as well, 569 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 7: and we have seen a pretty big boom and cruise demand, 570 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 7: so that counts for some of the growth there. But yeah, 571 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 7: Thanks Thanksgiving and the drive holiday, so the large majority 572 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 7: of these travelers are going to be hitting the roads. 573 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about since let's focus on drivers. 574 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 2: What is the best day to head over to Grandma's house? 575 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 2: And what is the worst day to you know, over 576 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 2: the river and through the woods to Grandma's house. 577 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 7: We go. The best day if you can do a 578 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 7: really early trip is Monday, the week of Thanksgiving. We 579 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 7: tell people if you can head out that weekend before 580 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 7: Tuesday is going to be a really big travel day. 581 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 7: And Wednesday as well. And early is the name of 582 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 7: the game, both in terms of early in the week 583 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 7: if you can get out, but also early in the 584 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 7: morning if you are traveling, not Tuesday or Wednesday, before 585 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 7: noon before eleven am is going to be your best 586 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 7: bet to avoid some of the worst traffics. 587 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: Okay, and what about Thanksgiving itself? We we go up 588 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 2: to some relatives home, and we traveled in the middle 589 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 2: of the day. We drive for about forty miles. I 590 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 2: guess is what you'd say, You know, you don't want 591 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 2: to get to too early. I mean, if they tell you, hey, 592 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 2: we're gonna come on up a round two o'clock and 593 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 2: we'll at dinner about three or three thirty, you don't 594 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 2: want to show up at ten and morning. 595 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 7: No, you don't want to be the guests that are there. 596 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 7: Is they're still trying to scramble to get things in 597 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 7: the oven and get the table set right. 598 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't want to be the guest on 599 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,240 Speaker 2: to stay over if when you get up on Sunday 600 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 2: morning there's a sign that says it's Sunday. When are 601 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 2: you leaving? Right? 602 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 7: Right, you've overstayed. You're welcome. On the holiday itself, we 603 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 7: expect pretty minimal traffic. A lot of people who are 604 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 7: making big trips have already headed to their destinations at 605 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 7: that point, and of course there is some local traffic 606 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 7: you'll see just as people are kind of making a 607 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 7: really short trips for Thanksgiving dinner. But the worst of 608 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 7: it is not anything you're going to see on the holiday. 609 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,919 Speaker 7: So that's actually a pretty decent day. 610 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 2: Then let's round it out the best day to again, 611 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 2: assuming that your relatives or your friends will allow you 612 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 2: to stay over a night or two, what is the 613 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 2: best day or the worst day to head back home? 614 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 7: Sunday is a really biby day. 615 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 2: Okay, so people have stayed the weekend. 616 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 7: Yeah, people who are doing a full kind of long 617 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 7: weekend trip of it. A lot of people are heading 618 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 7: back on Sunday. So you know, if you can wait 619 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 7: until Monday, wait until then. Also, Friday is a decent 620 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 7: day to travel because a lot of people are staying 621 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 7: at their destinations at least through Friday. But again, the 622 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 7: name of the game is early. We look at Friday, Saturday, Sunday. 623 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 7: If you can head out in the morning before like 624 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 7: ten eleven am, that's going to be your best travel 625 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 7: time for the day. 626 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you, we always appreciate Triple A helping 627 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 2: us out here. You guys do a great job. Anybody 628 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 2: who doesn't have Triple A insurance I think is crazy 629 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 2: because frankly, our family has it and we use it 630 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 2: frequently and don't raise the rates. 631 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 7: But you can glad to hear it. 632 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 2: No, I'm a big fan of Triple A, I really am. 633 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 2: I think that particularly if you have kids who are driving, 634 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 2: get them Triple A as well. If you can afford it. 635 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 2: That is for that's for certain for me. That's my 636 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 2: travel tip of the day. Jillian Young, director of public 637 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 2: relations for Triva A Northeast, Thank you so much, so 638 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 2: great to have you back. It's it's a great holiday. 639 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 2: Take take advantage of it and remember if you're going 640 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 2: to have a few drinks get a designated driver. Absolutely, 641 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 2: we don't want anything any problems for anyone and I 642 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 2: wish you and your family are very happy and healthy. 643 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 7: Thanksgiving you too, Dan, Thank you so much. 644 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 2: All right, Julie, we'll talk again. Thank you so much. 645 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 2: When we get back. We're going to dive into some 646 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,720 Speaker 2: of the issues here in New England that we're concerned about, 647 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 2: and certainly one of the big issues in Boston is 648 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 2: the mess at Mass and Cass. It should be called 649 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 2: mess and casts. But with us will be Massachusetts State 650 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 2: Senator Nick Collins, one of the good guys. He has 651 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 2: a introduced a bill and act relative to life saving treatment. 652 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 2: He hopes to tackle how best to deal with all 653 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 2: the problems of Mass and Cass. And I think he's 654 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,399 Speaker 2: got a great idea, including buying a cruise ship, which 655 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 2: sounds maybe a little crazy. Way do you hear the 656 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 2: benefits of that where they can start to treat people, 657 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 2: particularly as the winter approaches. We'll be back with my guest, 658 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,720 Speaker 2: Nick Collins, State Senator Nick Collins, whose district includes mass 659 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 2: and Cass. He's a he's a good guy up there 660 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 2: at the State House. And I'll tell you he's uh, 661 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 2: he's doing a good job, and this piece of legislation, 662 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 2: this is a huge problem, so please stay with us. 663 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 2: Feel free to light the phone lines up and give 664 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 2: him a word of encouragement because this is a member 665 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 2: of the legislature who's actually looking out for you and 666 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 2: me