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Speaker 1: You have a lot going on. I'm thrilled that you're here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm happy to be here. This is always one

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Speaker 4: of my favorite ones every year where I'm like, please

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Speaker 1: But I mean, but I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready.

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Speaker 4: In most years, i'm just already under the assumption that

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Speaker 4: the NFL is doing crazy things. Yeah, so maybe a

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Speaker 1: Logan Wilson has gone, yeah, that did happen.

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Speaker 4: From Zach Taylor And what level did this come from?

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Speaker 4: This wasn't gonna be a Mike Brown. No, the Mike

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Speaker 3: Well, and if you could add a seventh round pick

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Speaker 4: what's your favorite seventh round pick? Right, let's go down

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Speaker 1: So I can watch that on YouTube to catch up.

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Speaker 1: And now then I'm we're just gonna see where you

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Speaker 4: And when when we just sort of turn the mics

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Speaker 1: Let's see where this goes. So it's Trade Deadline right

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Speaker 3: With every passing minute, I see you looking more and

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Speaker 3: Who is making the decisions for the Bengals today in

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Speaker 1: Duke Tobin was making the Bengals decisions. Smile.

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Speaker 3: Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk says, quote, there's bubbling up

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like a he's like a winter guy.

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Speaker 4: free agent things that have happened, Like, at what point

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Speaker 4: does all of this just pile up where it's just

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Speaker 4: for the betterment of everybody that you try doing something different.

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Speaker 4: I think the logical side of it is no one

443
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Speaker 4: is gonna contend with that. It's just the reality side

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Speaker 4: of what it actually happened. I'm not buying that just yet.

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Speaker 1: I'm just not.

446
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Speaker 4: But you know that anybody can, anybody can say that

447
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Speaker 4: things are bubbling up and no one will care if

448
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Speaker 4: they don't, no one will call back to that.

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Speaker 3: I think there's bubbling up amongst US fans.

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Speaker 1: It's bubbling up. That's undeniable.

451
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a pretty sharp difference between bubbling up here

452
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Speaker 3: with idiots like me and bubbling up among people who

453
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Speaker 3: are in a decision making capacity at pay Court Stadium. Yes,

454
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Speaker 3: and there's no distinction in what Mike is referring to,

455
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Speaker 3: like bubbling up is that in Cincinnati they're mad Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the roll. Yeah, I don't.

457
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Speaker 4: People aren't just gonna come out of this thing unscathed,

458
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Speaker 4: like obviously, but who is that?

459
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's levels to.

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Speaker 4: This, as they say, I mean, and and I just

461
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Speaker 4: think that's, uh, that's a level that is I mean,

462
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Speaker 4: it takes unprecedented times and here we are, right, So

463
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Speaker 4: so I'm not I don't want to sit here and

464
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Speaker 4: rule anything out, but like it that doesn't It certainly

465
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Speaker 4: didn't land or really register with me as something that

466
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Speaker 4: I feel like.

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Speaker 1: Makes a whole lot of sense in this in this

468
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Speaker 1: exact way.

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Speaker 3: I have a few questions kind of related to this specifically, Okay,

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Speaker 3: but I do want to get a break and let

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Speaker 3: me let me ask you this though before we pause.

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Speaker 3: So last week we talked about it feels like this

473
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Speaker 3: is really the first time where Duke Tobin is in

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Speaker 3: the public's crossairs, and you said, you know, this is

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Speaker 3: the first time, and I'm paraphrasing here, this is the

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Speaker 3: first time where it's plausible that maybe they do something,

477
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Speaker 3: but still so unlikely that if they did it would

478
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Speaker 3: be shocking. Would you frame it the same way after Sunday?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you can only take so many of those.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I still I still think that at

481
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Speaker 1: at the end of.

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Speaker 4: The day, you know, there is a a patience and

483
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Speaker 4: a need to see everything play itself out. And maybe

484
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Speaker 4: some people say it played out like we saw it.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is it. It's it's been, it's played.

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Speaker 1: But there's that's always, that's always, even.

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Speaker 4: Going back to Marvin Lewis here, you know, I feel

488
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Speaker 4: like it's let's see the whole book. Mike and the

489
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Speaker 4: family are let's see the whole book before we judge it,

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Speaker 4: and let's not go in and so doing it now

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Speaker 4: before a lot of these young players that they're clearing

492
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Speaker 4: the decks for have a chance to show the level

493
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Speaker 4: of improvement they're looking for.

494
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Speaker 1: Would be again just crazy, out of character.

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Speaker 4: And maybe that's what they I mean, there's a lot

496
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Speaker 4: of arguments about that's what they need. I think most

497
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Speaker 4: people would make those right now, But I'm trying to

498
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Speaker 4: speak in the reality of how realistic I think it is.

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Speaker 4: It would be stunning and out of characters. Still even

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Speaker 4: to me, even after even after.

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Speaker 1: What happens, it's got twenty seven minutes counting it down,

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Speaker 1: where's the ticker? I'm listening. I don't hear it. Terren's

503
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Speaker 1: working on it.

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Speaker 4: He's working on it. He's trying to find that. They're

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Speaker 4: trying to find the ticker anything on this here internet.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you're right. I don't have a joke. But Terrence,

507
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's working on it. Oh ye, he's got it.

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Speaker 3: Is twenty seven away from four o'clock and the trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: There it is.

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Speaker 4: I knew it.

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Speaker 1: Who you think won the battle between Duke Tobin and Louannarumo.

554
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 3: Mo hemo. This team is seven to two. I know

555
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Speaker 3: he gets to coach Sauce Gardner.

556
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Speaker 1: I'm didn't have to move very far. He just keeps

557
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: getting great players thrown into his laugh. He's on it.

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00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: They keep winning. They don't have to be great defensively.

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00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: They can do lou Anarumo ben but don't break which

560
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 3: statistically they do, and then everything.

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Speaker 1: You want to happen.

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Speaker 4: When you have a blow up that leads to you

563
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Speaker 4: leaving a job or you get fired, you just want

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Speaker 4: the other place to be in shambos stress. That's all

565
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 4: you want. You just want your all your former co

566
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Speaker 4: workers and friends. You want them to be calling you

567
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 4: being like, this is a disaster. You just want to

568
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Speaker 4: hear all the horror story. And so I just you

569
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Speaker 4: gotta feel like he just like goes, he collects his

570
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Speaker 4: w cracks open a cold on the couch.

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Speaker 1: He's like, let's watch some Bengals highlights.

572
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Speaker 4: Right like, and just sits up every Sunday night. Uh,

573
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Speaker 4: and then then waits for the call Chris Ballad to

574
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Speaker 4: tell them that they're giving him sauce Gardner. It's just

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Speaker 4: an embarrassment of riches for for lou over there right now.

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Speaker 3: A few more questions about Tobin okay, and maybe what

577
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Speaker 3: it would look like if they did move on. We

578
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Speaker 3: haven't had a de facto general manager search.

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Speaker 1: What would that look like?

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Speaker 4: I mean, well, I think you probably in the meantime,

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Speaker 4: you would probably have one of the three agms would

582
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Speaker 4: step in, right, You'd have Trey Brown or Steve Orusivik

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Speaker 4: or Mike Potts, they're they're there right. Trey has has

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Speaker 4: notably interviewed for GM jobs across the league. He'd be familiar,

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Speaker 4: Like if you were doing something like that, you probably

586
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Speaker 4: would would start there and then open up. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we've never and it's so this is the heart,

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Speaker 4: it's so gray. There's so much unknown onto what any

589
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Speaker 4: of this would look like. And truthfully too, like, you know,

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Speaker 4: is Mike gonna be like we need a new guy?

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Speaker 4: Like because there's it's a unique situation there where they

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Speaker 4: like Duke for the fact that they it's a very

593
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Speaker 4: tough relationship to manage with him and the family and

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Speaker 4: the football aspect and what Mike still does and what

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Speaker 4: he does and his role and all. It's just all

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Speaker 4: of it is really hard to step into and have

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Speaker 4: a feel for. So I don't know that anybody could

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Speaker 4: sit here and say they would know what that would

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Speaker 4: actually look like, you know, because we haven't ever really

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Speaker 4: seen it.

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Speaker 3: When this possibility has come up, even when it has

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Speaker 3: seemed extraordinarily unrealistic, many have countered with who would want

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Speaker 3: that job?

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Speaker 1: Is that a fair way to look at it? Because

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Speaker 1: of what you just outlined. I don't know. I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people would. Do you want patients and

607
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Speaker 1: job security? You know, I mean do you want?

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Speaker 4: I mean they have when new head coach like Zach

609
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Speaker 4: Taylor is coming in, they have given him rain.

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Speaker 1: To do a lot of things that he wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: They've been willing to make changes.

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Speaker 4: They have been a bit adaptable as an organization, specifically

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Speaker 4: comparison to previous times.

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Speaker 1: You have Joe Burrow like it's important.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you have the hard stuff here in

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Speaker 4: place in a lot of ways, I don't think. And

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Speaker 4: the biggest problem that many gms in this league face

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Speaker 4: is feeling like they have to make moves for their

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Speaker 4: jobs and you don't have to do that here. You

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Speaker 4: can play the longer game the same way that Baltimore

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Speaker 4: and Pittsburgh do and and in the success that I

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Speaker 4: think that those two teams and the Bengals have had

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Speaker 4: in this division in comparison to like, you know, when

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Speaker 4: you see the the interchanging that happens with Cleveland or

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Speaker 4: a lot of other places that are unstable across the league.

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Speaker 4: Is part of what would make a job like that

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Speaker 4: one that people would want. Everybody, everybody has a challenging

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Speaker 4: ownership situation in some way, like there's only so many

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Speaker 4: openings that happen where it's like, oh, but the ownership

630
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Speaker 4: is just clean. It can be no issues there. You're

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Speaker 4: gonna that's that's that's the NFL man. You gotta you

632
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Speaker 4: got it the same way we used to talk about

633
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Speaker 4: this with Marvin Lewis and and and the job is

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Speaker 4: as much about managing up as it is managing down.

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Speaker 4: You have to be able to make all sides work

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Speaker 4: and get your vision across, like that's gonna be part

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Speaker 4: of that here, the same as it would be in

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Speaker 4: any market that has an NFL team in America.

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Speaker 3: One more on this and then I will ask about

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Speaker 3: other things. So Florio says heads will roll. You don't

641
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Speaker 3: disagree with that. So if Duke Tobin's head is not

642
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: the most likely to roll, whose head will be rolling?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean we know Zach Taylor is on the seat.

644
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Speaker 4: You have to be in some capacity. I mean we

645
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Speaker 4: talked about this the moment they let go of a Luannarumo,

646
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Speaker 4: like you only get to do this once. And so

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Speaker 4: I think that's clear.

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Speaker 1: Even with all the.

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Speaker 4: Things happening offensively that have been good you know, he's

650
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Speaker 4: not gonna to me. We're at the point where you're

651
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Speaker 4: not judging him for that as much.

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Speaker 1: We've established that you can have good.

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Speaker 4: Offenses, yes, and you can do it apparently with multiple

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Speaker 4: quarterbacks that both times he's been given backup quarterbacks besides

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow. It's been remarkable what they've been able to

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00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 4: do offensively. What they're doing right now is a masterclass.

657
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 4: But the bottom line is, and you know I asked

658
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 4: about this on Monday specifically because of this is you know,

659
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 4: what are what are you gonna do to help the defense?

660
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 4: And the answer is that's not my specialty. Like I'm

661
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 4: here to help. And they're building the thing and things

662
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 4: that that that they find tough and challenging as an offense.

663
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 4: At a certain point, as the head coach that this

664
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 4: team has to fix their defense. They have the quarterback,

665
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 4: like you have the quarterback that can that can make

666
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 4: your offense go. You you need people that can figure

667
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 4: out what's going on defensively, and too often, uh, the

668
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 4: defense just hasn't been able to figure itself out in here.

669
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 4: And so if if that's the direction that you're gonna

670
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 4: look at things and say, okay, let's pair a defensive

671
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 4: head coach with with Joe Burrow. Then maybe then maybe

672
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 4: that's you know, you could see that being a direction

673
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 4: that that you would want to go that's worked before.

674
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 4: You're thinking Brady Belichick all that type of stuff, right,

675
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 4: and and you can maybe go forward some in that way.

676
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: But that's that's part of the conversation. That would be

677
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: the heads.

678
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 4: I mean, this is what you're where you're when you

679
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 4: reach historical levels, when when every week is a new

680
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 4: set of five or six things, this league has not

681
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 4: seen triangles the sixty six New York Siety six Giants.

682
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: Jay had a stat with like the twenty one like

683
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 4: a team I'd never the Takawanda something's I was like,

684
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 4: they didn't even have like a forward pass at that point.

685
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 4: Like when you're when when these are the comparisons where

686
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 4: this is all we can find that has ever looked

687
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 4: like this. Yeah, like everybody of any importance in the

688
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: building is under fire.

689
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: There's there's no doubt.

690
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 4: And that doesn't mean that we know how it's gonna go,

691
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 4: but yeah, it's it's everybody.

692
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 3: You wrote after the game about going into the locker

693
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 3: room and not a lot of defensive guys wanted to talk.

694
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 3: Some did, and you pointed that out. You reference there

695
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: being laughter in certain corners of the locker room. How

696
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 3: sharp of a departure was that on Sunday from other

697
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: similar low points with that side of the ball or

698
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: even the other side of the ball since you've been

699
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: covering the team.

700
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 4: Uh, A decent amount. I mean, the the the lack

701
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 4: of fire and the lack of seriousness that you felt

702
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 4: over there. They just the guy, the people that you

703
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 4: did see or hear from felt sounded beaten down and demoralized.

704
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 4: And then you had a lot of young players who

705
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 4: just didn't seem to think that they had any real

706
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 4: reason to care about certainly us not they not they

707
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 4: only anything that every time Like, no, this is not

708
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 4: about taking stock, right, but this is about that. It

709
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 4: is about comparing to what it looks like when teams

710
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 4: do pull out of it and not that right. So

711
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 4: my my thing is I felt like and I don't know,

712
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 4: like what with Chase Brown is kind of a separate

713
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 4: story that I I just I wanted to see where

714
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 4: are the players not just Sunday during this entire downfall

715
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 4: of this defense that sound like Jamar Chase that sound

716
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 4: like Chase Brown. I don't care if your emotion comes

717
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 4: out right or wrong.

718
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: I want to see it. Yes, where is it where?

719
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 4: That's what you usually get right before it gets to

720
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 4: the beaten down, demoralized portion of the program. You usually

721
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 4: see the like dude who wants everyone to know this

722
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 4: ain't me and I hate that this is where we're

723
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 4: at and we got to get this and maybe they maybe, Man,

724
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 4: these players only meetings are just just tearing the paint

725
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 4: off the wall. I don't you know whatever, I don't

726
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 4: is there gonna be another one? I mean, I feel

727
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 4: like you just keep having bye week. It was one

728
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 4: thing that I that I was looking for when I

729
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 4: walked in the locker room today and you know exactly

730
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: what it was, punk table, ing pong table. I said, No,

731
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 4: it was nothing to change the ping pong table. Maybe

732
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 4: next Okay, after the bye week, after a week of retrospection,

733
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 4: they came back and said, we think we've got it.

734
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 4: Ping pong table, right, Maybe that's where they go next

735
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 4: to it. I mean, but that's my point is is

736
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 4: I feel like you usually see the blow up, the emotion,

737
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 4: the like fire in the form of some kind of weather,

738
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 4: it's anger, even if it's misplaced or like guys getting

739
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 4: at each other a little bit more like there just

740
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 4: really hasn't been hardly any of that over there. It's

741
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 4: just felt like a.

742
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: Went wrong again.

743
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, we missed the tackles and we just got to

744
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 4: keep working at it and we're gonna get it right,

745
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 4: and we're looking for leaders, and it's.

746
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: Just where's the fire? Yeah? Where? Where?

747
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 4: Where are seven guys on defense that sound and look

748
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 4: like Jamar Chase and Chase Brown and some of the

749
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: other people and and you know, it's just it's not

750
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 4: that that has to be the way out, like there's

751
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 4: you want to be smarter and more constructive in the

752
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 4: way that you deal with your problems, but it has

753
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 4: to start with the true fire and want to be

754
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: better and feeling pushed and driven to just not accept

755
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 4: any of what's happening on your watch as a player,

756
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 4: and that just.

757
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: Where is that?

758
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 4: Where is Like I'm not right, that just hasn't really

759
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 4: existed yet to this point. You want the defense to.

760
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: Be as angry as the offense seems to be.

761
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 3: What I feel bad about among a lot of things

762
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: is because there's just so much stuff happening here. We

763
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: don't have enough time to examine the difference between the

764
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: quarterback ball and the kicking ball.

765
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 4: Oh I got to see them side by side too. Yeah,

766
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 4: they're like they're from different sports. It's unbelievable, right, how

767
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 4: different they are. I never would have thought that they

768
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: really were that different. It looks like if you put

769
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 4: a football next to a rugby ball or whatever. Yeah,

770
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 4: I mean it's they're totally different. They feel different, they

771
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 4: are shaped different, they're the leather, all of it is

772
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 4: like totally rougher and different.

773
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's unbelievable. But the Bengals hosted demonstration for

774
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: you so they can make it. Yeah, they showed me.

775
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: They showed me the two side by side.

776
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: Why why White cut the long snapper touch it and

777
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: go huh does the scoring play call a time out?

778
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: Are you allowed to do that?

779
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 3: I know they once once the offenses on the field,

780
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: they put the quarterback ball in the field, they're not

781
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 3: gonna swap out the ball, but are you allowed to

782
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: call it at the.

783
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 4: Discretion of the sideline referee? Weather Because they don't get this.

784
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 4: They don't want to be caught being the ones when

785
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 4: the CA ball has to come in to have to

786
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 4: toss it and want their like referee to be juggling

787
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 4: it and unable to get it. So they make it

788
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 4: their discretion whether they have to restart the play clock

789
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 4: or not. And the last thing they want have to

790
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 4: do is restart a play clock apparently no matter what.

791
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 4: So that includes like not running out there with the

792
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 4: ball and handing it to them or anything like that.

793
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 4: They just say, Nope, not gonna get the CA ball

794
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 4: in and they and they rule it off and you

795
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 4: have to go. You have to go play with it

796
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 4: and unless you unless you do stop the clock or whatever,

797
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 4: and like, uh, this happened with this happened with Tennessee. Yeah,

798
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 4: with this big part of Brian callihan situation. They took

799
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 4: a delay and had to kick a sixty two yard

800
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 4: to get the other ball in there. They're so different now.

801
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 4: The difference is way bigger this year than ever has been.

802
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 4: But I'm like, okay, So the referees don't want to

803
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 4: look dumb, so they make the kicker look dumb right

804
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 4: insteady like, you know, way more the coach look dumb

805
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 4: for having the offense on the field on fourth and

806
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 4: thirteen and then oh you know what, maybe we want

807
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 4: to kick here, but that that whole thing was a mess. Yeah,

808
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 4: it was an absolute mess, right, But the bottom line

809
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 4: is like this should not be about this also should

810
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 4: not be about restarting the play clock, like look, get

811
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 4: the get the right ball is yes, you know? And

812
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 4: then to me, can you just have can can will

813
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 4: Wagner have the kick caball under his arm at all

814
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 4: times and be able to go run out there and

815
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 4: hand it to the official.

816
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: He's that should the long you're on the field for

817
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: this one play. You have the ball and if you

818
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: can't bring the proper ball out then your team suffers

819
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: because of it.

820
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: You will handle the CA ball. Yes, we solve this.

821
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: The job job by us. Wait again, but.

822
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: We're like out of time, But you wanted to say

823
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 3: something about that, Quinna Williams Strang.

824
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 4: That's what I would have done if I were the Bengals. Yeah,

825
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 4: I would have traded Trey Hendrickson. Use the compensation you

826
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 4: get back from trading Trey Hendrickson to help fuel a

827
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 4: deal for a real player who's going to be here

828
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 4: for multiple years going forward, and help fix your pass

829
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 4: rush right now and for essentially the same amount of

830
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 4: money that you already have Trey Hendrickson, Like, if you're

831
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 4: paying him right now, it could help you know you

832
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 4: you have that money available if you ever have done

833
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 4: an extension with him at one point.

834
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: Can you be the de facto GM. I'll apply.

835
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 4: We still come here on Tuesdays, I'll be I'll be

836
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 4: so accessible. I'm gonna be at the bye week. Then

837
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 4: forget the bye weekend after the season. Every game I'm

838
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 4: here every Tuesday day from three to four.

839
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. It's it's GM Tuesdays. Your bosses will

840
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: love GM. Yes, all right.

841
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 3: Tonight seven thirty special Live Growler podcast, Paul and Jay

842
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 3: talking about everything swirling around the team, the Logan Wilson trade,

843
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 3: a trade that may come in the next six minutes.

844
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: Bubbling general, bubbling, general, bubbling. Yeah, we guys have any

845
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: bubbling with you? We might, we might.

846
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 4: We need it this season at this point I've never

847
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 4: needed needed bubbles in good by week for the bye

848
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 4: weekn Yes, I.

849
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: Have right now? All right?

850
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 3: Check that out tonight seven thirty YouTube and where you

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00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,400
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Speaker 3: Oakley Greens. Paul, thank you so much pleasure. I'm here

853
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: at all five thirty. We've got a lot of Bengal

854
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: stuff to get to. FC Cincinnati is getting set for Saturday.

855
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