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Speaker 1: You are listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berline. I'm

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Speaker 1: here with my, uh my friend Brian George from the

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Speaker 1: Cincinni Botanical gardener Zoo. Brian, you run our native plants

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Speaker 1: program yes out at the Boyer Farm location, which is

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Speaker 1: out north of Cincinnati. Has restored wetland and lots of

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Speaker 1: a bit of forest and some prairie areas, doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of good work with with native plants. And so

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Speaker 1: I thought, let's match you up here with me today

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Speaker 1: with this uh, this guy I know, we know our

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Speaker 1: friend of ours. His name is Mike Berkeley, who's describes

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Speaker 1: himself as being into native plants before they were cool. So, Mike,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing. I know it's early for you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, hell two of you. Hey, two of my

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Speaker 3: favorite guys in the world. Like, you know, how cool

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Speaker 3: was that.

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Speaker 1: It were actually kind of getting along too. It's it's

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Speaker 1: it's kind of been been nice. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, Scott, when you said something that you

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Speaker 3: had a description of who you were going to have

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Speaker 3: on the show, uh this week and uh and you

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Speaker 3: and you mentioned you put my name in there and

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Speaker 3: you said, uh, plantsmun native plant advocate and all that,

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Speaker 3: and then you said one of the nicest guys, and

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Speaker 3: I know you meant that for Brian.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, that was not an accident. Brian

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Speaker 1: is an evil, evil person. You are a nice guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how you, Brian, I'm doing outstanding?

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Speaker 1: How you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm good?

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Speaker 1: Good.

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Speaker 3: Look. I guess we're going to be seeing you here

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Speaker 3: at the nursery in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 4: I have my wish list already prepped for you and

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Speaker 4: we'll probably sitdn't have done ahead ahead of time.

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Speaker 1: Because wait, you're holding this out on me. This is

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Speaker 1: the first time hearing about this.

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Speaker 3: This is well, Scott, you're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well apparently not as far as Brian's I'm.

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Speaker 4: Not spending five hours in a car with this guy,

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Speaker 4: no way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's funny.

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Speaker 2: Mike.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, i'll introduce you a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: You've been in the industry forty years. That's pretty amazing

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Speaker 1: into native plants. Almost all of that or all of

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Speaker 1: it really? Right?

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Speaker 3: Correct? Yeah? Way back? The name the nursery name grow Wild.

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Speaker 3: I was I had a grow Wild license plate before

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Speaker 3: we even started the business.

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Speaker 1: Oh is that right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Grow wild inc. You so you're a native plant nursery.

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Speaker 1: You're actually kind of wrapping things up. You're you're heading

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Speaker 1: into retirement in the next few years. But you're in Fairview, Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: That's outside of Nashville, south of Nashville.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, correct, Yeah, we're southwest of Nashville. We're basically if

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Speaker 3: you know anything about Middle Tennessee, it's growing like crazy.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that's happening up around Cincinnati as well, but

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Speaker 3: you know, we're almost a suburb of Nashville. We're in

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Speaker 3: Williamson County and the rule we're on the Highland Rim,

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Speaker 3: which is hilly, very hilly, which is not a greig

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Speaker 3: place to put a nursery plant land, but beautiful. And

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Speaker 3: we're in the eastern hardwood forest surrounded by prairies. We've

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Speaker 3: got Sear Glades on the other side of Nashville. So

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Speaker 3: as far as native plant diversity, we're in a really

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Speaker 3: good spot to have this nursery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when we yesterday, I sat down to

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Speaker 1: try to write out, you know, sort of a narrative

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Speaker 1: of thisynversation, a little few questions, some talking points, and

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Speaker 1: then I just thought, oh, screw it. We're gonna be

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Speaker 1: talking with Mike and Brian will be there. We can

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Speaker 1: just we can just go where we want to go

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Speaker 1: with this conversation. So your nursery is uh is all

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Speaker 1: native plants. You do uh some cultivars, but you're almost

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Speaker 1: you're really getting into the straight species at this point.

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Speaker 1: Is that fair to say?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, and so you know it's a bit controversial.

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Speaker 3: You guys know me, Uh, I promote the cultivars and

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Speaker 3: he is. When I go out to the wild and

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Speaker 3: if I'm collecting speed or or whatever in the woods,

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Speaker 3: prairie fox floks palosos some people call it downy flock

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Speaker 3: fox is a perfect example. Is that you know, you'll

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Speaker 3: find predominantly a pink form throughout and then there's a

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Speaker 3: that becomes a selection for a cultivar of fox pelosos.

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Speaker 3: It like Flox pelosa lavender cloud, which I think I

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Speaker 3: actually get through guys there at the zoo years ago.

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Speaker 3: So so yeah, yeah, my heart is in the pure species,

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Speaker 3: but I'll carry selections too. So speaking of you all native,

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Speaker 3: we only other non native trees that we grow, or

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Speaker 3: airloom apples and pairs, and it's just because I love them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, going back to.

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Speaker 3: You know, early eighteen hundreds abound here tends.

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Speaker 1: To be if you love any kind of plant, you

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Speaker 1: love all the different plants. And that's that's a cool

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Speaker 1: thing about gardeners and horticultures in general. I would say, so,

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Speaker 1: what are some of the things that are exciting you

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Speaker 1: right now? Some of the plants that are at the

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Speaker 1: top of your list.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, so we were known for four collections besuchs,

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Speaker 3: just all these native plants. We got over a thousand

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Speaker 3: species and varieties of North American natives. And but there's

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Speaker 3: there's four collections we're known for. And red buds. And

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Speaker 3: I have to say the red bud that you're talking

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Speaker 3: about sparking some controversy, Uh, It'll just grow straight. Cursus canadensis,

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Speaker 3: the eastern redbud. I grow a lot of varieties, weeping forms, dwarfs,

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Speaker 3: some would dark leaves, some would bright red leaves, some

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Speaker 3: are weeping. You know, so I'll grow all And the

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Speaker 3: reason I did that is that I still know even

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Speaker 3: though the native plant movement is hot, I mean, people

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Speaker 3: are getting crazy about native plants now, the average suburban gardener,

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Speaker 3: you know, I want more natives, want more natives. There's

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Speaker 3: still a lot of those people on the other side

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Speaker 3: that love there, still love their breadth repairs, now, you know,

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Speaker 3: invasive native species, that's that's got to be up to

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Speaker 3: the in the mid South, it's just they're so invasive. Well,

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Speaker 3: day thought it was the greatest thing since the wheel.

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Speaker 3: they're they're weak wooded, they're highly invasive, they stink when

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Speaker 3: they blue, you know. But there's still but Scott, there's

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Speaker 3: still people that love them, right and do is throw

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Speaker 3: in some crazy looking red buds and bring and try

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Speaker 3: to bring them over onto this side, right uh and

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Speaker 3: and and then hopefully one day they'll say, you know what, Mike,

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Speaker 3: I sure appreciate you showing me there's crazy red leaf

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Speaker 3: week and red bud, but I think I want to

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Speaker 3: be more purest. Well, there you go. But it starts

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Speaker 3: with trying to throw a little glitter on the package

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Speaker 3: and and and win them over. Another collection that we

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Speaker 3: have are the oaks, and it's going back to Doug

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Speaker 3: Taalami's Bringing Nature Home book, you know when he talks about,

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Speaker 3: you know, all this research that he and his grad

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Speaker 3: students did and to find out what is the ultimate

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Speaker 3: host plant out there, and it's oaks, the quirkus genus.

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Speaker 3: And I carry about thirty something different species of North

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Speaker 3: Another collection that we have are federally endangered species that

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Speaker 3: we have to have a special license to be able

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Speaker 3: to grow and sell. And it's really interesting to see

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Speaker 3: that even though there may be fatally protected to the point,

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Speaker 3: you know that they're so rare that they have to

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Speaker 3: have federal protection from the nineteen seventy two Endangered Species Act. Okay, however,

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Speaker 3: they're pretty tough, so the gardener gets to grow when

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Speaker 3: they don't have to have that license. So it's fun

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Speaker 3: watched them and their eyes light up saying, oh wow,

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Speaker 3: this is in dangerous, says protect and I can have

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Speaker 3: it in my yard. Oh yeah yeah. And then our

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Speaker 3: last collection, which is peaking right now, just gorgeous, are

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Speaker 3: the native azilias. I mean, and who would have thought.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I can put a native azalia in almost

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Speaker 3: anybody's yard given the right light. The spoils were cheating on. Okay,

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Speaker 3: now I've heard you guys, and I know Brian said

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Speaker 3: this before. You can't grow native azalias up around Cincinnati,

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Speaker 3: you know what. I'm willing to drive my truck up

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Speaker 3: there with a truckload of azilas and just start planting

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Speaker 3: them around Cincinnati and around the Zoo just to prove

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Speaker 3: the point.

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Speaker 1: But they do.

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Speaker 3: So people getting excited about them because you know many

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Speaker 3: of them. Of course a flame you know, you see

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Speaker 3: the Masters tournament, golf tournament going on in Ardusta, Georgia.

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Speaker 3: And even if you don't know what a native azill is,

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Speaker 3: you know you look at that, uh that championship going on.

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Speaker 3: What are those bright colors hanging out under the times

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Speaker 3: and me are the native azelias, you know, the flame azaleas.

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Speaker 3: And they work for us here around Middle Tennessee as well.

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Speaker 3: So I've planted them in a lot of parks. I've

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Speaker 3: used them in urban suburban areas in East Nashville. They

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Speaker 3: they really work it planted the right way. If I

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Speaker 3: can throw in a flame moze with fragrance, then you

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Speaker 3: know you, then you hook them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm having the fun with Well, let's take a break,

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Speaker 1: Mike and we'll be back in just a few minutes.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Mike, both of us have been in this industry

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Speaker 4: if if my yard was big enough, I would I

432
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Speaker 4: would take three quarters of those varieties and have them

433
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Speaker 4: in the yard. It is, it is truly truly impressive.

434
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Speaker 4: On that we're talking a little bit about azalea's what

435
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Speaker 4: do you find which or which species do you find

436
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 4: have them the most latitude as far as planting, because

437
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 4: for us up here in the Upper Midwest, we have

438
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Speaker 4: a lot of heavy clay. Our pH is certainly you know, elevated.

439
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Speaker 1: At best at seven best at seven.

440
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, seven seven seven seven. What what would you what

441
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Speaker 4: do you think is the most adaptable of the azaleas.

442
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 3: Pied mont Azella, the rhododemic canessen seems to be the

443
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: toughest for us. And we've been growing, you know, for

444
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: almost thirty years. We've been growing all of these and

445
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: so we put them out in trials and we've watched

446
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 3: crazy winners come in, and we watched drought come in,

447
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: and so we really were able to trial them so

448
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: that we can say, well, yeah, you can use these

449
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 3: in these other areas. But the piedmont azell which is

450
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 3: a gorgeous pink, early blooming pink, really is a tough

451
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 3: and so if we get new customers in and I

452
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 3: want a native Asselia, I don't know anything about them,

453
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 3: and you're new at this, probably promote the conissance the

454
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 3: p Monzella first. H The other one is the alabammz

455
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 3: the Alabama, and that's a gorgeous white with a yellow blotch.

456
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 3: If you've got the straight species, and I say the

457
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: straight species, they hybridize like crazy. Yeah, and you got

458
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: you know, they are very promiscuous and they do hybridize,

459
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 3: which is fun because you end up with these multi

460
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: colored blooms, you know them, and some with fragrance and

461
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 3: some not.

462
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Speaker 1: Which which are the best ones for fragrance?

463
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 3: Ooh, I have to say the Alabama. And if you

464
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 3: get that cross of the Alabama with the connissance, oh man, yeah.

465
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 3: So but the Alabama we've noticed, you know, they bloom

466
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: down in Mobile, Alabama, and then they're up here in

467
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Speaker 3: north central Tennessee. So that tells you as far as

468
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 3: you know, how far north you can go. Now, I'll

469
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: tell you there are also some great native azalias that

470
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 3: we don't grow. And it's because we're getting hotter, and

471
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 3: it's just you know, it's not it's not a surprise

472
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: to anybody, we're getting warm, okay, And so some of

473
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 3: those mountain flames, like the rhododendric knesss which are colindulasium,

474
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: which is a beautiful orange, grows up high elevation in

475
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: the Smokies, we can't do it. And the vasia the roadshale,

476
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: which is a beautiful pink. You'll see it along the

477
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:33,239
Speaker 3: Blue Ridge Parkway in southern Appalachia. We can't grow that

478
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 3: one either because of the heat. So with that said,

479
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: it might be something that you guys can grow further north.

480
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: Most of you know, we've been talking about the native

481
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: azaleas s species. Are there any you know, cultivars or

482
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: selections that are mostly native or all native hybrids or

483
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: whatever that people can find in garden centers more readily?

484
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah. And and and the more that the

485
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: breeders are I mean, you've got a zealea crazy people

486
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: out there. Yeah, they love breeding them. And uh so

487
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: the more that they're breeding and a lot of a

488
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: lot of these selections great selections, as I mentioned earlier,

489
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 3: you know, they're found in the wild. If you've got

490
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: two species overlapping each other and there's there zones, then yeah,

491
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: you get these hot crazy hybrids and and they're beautiful.

492
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 3: But I have to say the Varnado pink, or some

493
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: people call the flocks pink, that is that Pete mont Azella.

494
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 3: So it's going to be a stronger pink, and it

495
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: seems to be longer bloom uh and more readily available.

496
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 4: You have to throw a couple of those on my

497
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: order when I come down.

498
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: That So, Brian, you are coming in that truck right, not.

499
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 4: Not big enough, but we will have a truck.

500
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Mike, it's been awfully good talking to you.

501
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: We really appreciate you taking the time at what it

502
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: was at six am your time, seven six am time.

503
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: Very early. Yeah, Brian, I'll pay you back on man.

504
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Thanks, thanks, Scott. Apologize for the technical errors during

505
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: your conversation, but it sounded like Brian picked it right

506
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: up while my microphone was out, so that's good. Yeah.

507
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: And maybe I'll just jump in the back of that

508
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: truck or right and right under a blanket or something

509
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: on the way down there when he came. When Brian

510
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: comes down.

511
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: Scott, I'd be afraid there'd be a chilling somewhere.

512
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: A body left alongside the road. Somewhere, it could happen.

513
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: It could have a win win.

514
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: You know, I've known you two guys for a long time,

515
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: and I have to say the banter has been great.

516
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 3: I just I have so much fun with the both

517
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 3: of you.

518
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for that. You're there when I say,

519
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: who appreciates it? Yeah, say hello to Terry for us,

520
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: and uh, I sure hope you enjoy a great Saturday.

521
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: Thank you guys.

522
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: Thanks Mike, Thanks so Brian, thank you for picking that up.

523
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: I have no idea what you talked about, but it worked.

524
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: It worked, I'm sure. Great conversation. That's really Mike. Mike's

525
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: always an inspiration. Yeah.

526
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 4: I've known him for for quite some time. And whenever

527
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 4: you go down there and visit him and just walk

528
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 4: through the nursery, I mean he's telling the stories and

529
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 4: and and where the plants came from, and it's just

530
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 4: it's just all. You always learn so much from him,

531
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 4: and he's so generous. He's like, hey, try these you know,

532
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 4: this should do well for you. And he's really great.

533
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 4: He's a great ambassador of native plants and he works

534
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 4: a lot with endangered species and stuff, which is which

535
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 4: is what we aspire to do is to get there

536
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 4: and and and be a proponent. He's a great advocate

537
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 4: for the Native Planet movement, and and it pushes correct

538
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 4: information out there. Yeah, which it does get a little

539
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: muddled sometimes.

540
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: A little is a good way of phrasing that. So yeah, yeah,

541
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: getting the yeah, because people get excited about it in

542
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: Native plants and they get a little wild with some

543
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: of the claims and so.

544
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 4: Forth and social media things. Yeah, it gets always reviewed.

545
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: Information takes off, and yeah, Mike is just a great

546
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: guy and uh, very very happy to have him here

547
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: as a guest, and hopefully you can do that again.

548
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: So I think it's time to take a break. Why

549
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: don't we do that? Uh, you're listening to Less Garden

550
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: with Scott Berlin. I'm here with Brian Jorg my friend,

551
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: my enemy, somewhere in between sometimes and we'll be right

552
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: back after this. Uh this break.

553
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,360
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557
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558
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559
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562
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Speaker 2: If you're dealing with large surfaces and hard to reach

563
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Speaker 2: outdoor stains, Wet and Forget Max's designed to handle the

564
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: tougher stuff. Gary Salvent here, Wet and Forget Max is

565
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566
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Speaker 2: second story siding, large driveways and other hard to clean surfaces.

567
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Speaker 2: See it's more concentrated for bigger, more challenging jobs. And

568
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569
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570
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571
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572
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Speaker 1: You are listening to Let's uh, Let's garden Wiscott perline

573
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: is that it is that the name of the show. Brian,

574
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: that's it. I'm here with Brian, Brian George our good

575
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: friend from the Cincinna Botanical Garden and Zoo. And on

576
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: the line. Now we have Gary Sullivan. Hey, good morning,

577
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: Hi Gary. How are you doing.

578
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: Wonderful? We need a little rain, we.

579
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: Do, we do. Yeah, it's getting a bit dry out there.

580
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure. I mean the grass is green,

581
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: everything's blooming. It's that time of year.

582
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: It is that time of year. Yeah. But you know,

583
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: I was I was doing a little transplanting the other

584
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: day and I was noticing, you know what, it's a

585
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: little dry. And then a few days past and the

586
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: transplants were little wilty, and I'm like, I gotta get

587
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: the water on. I gotta get out there and take

588
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: care of these things.

589
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Are the bugs active yet? I mean probably a

590
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: little huh. Yeah, I've seen the problems on evergreens or

591
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: anything along those lines.

592
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 4: We're getting aphit's moving pretty good with the with the

593
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 4: heat up at the farm. Columbine softlies.

594
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little heavy, but I've noticed pollinators out I

595
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: live in Heaven. My garden is in need, and I

596
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 1: don't see any pest insects ever.

597
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: Utopia.

598
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Speaker 1: It's pretty nice.

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00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: Gosh. Yeah, we're gonna work on the garage today. What

600
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: do you think I could do that? You're gonna work

601
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: on mine? You can come work on mine. I'll tell

602
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: you what you know. Every now and then I'll just

603
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: stand there and say, you know, I got myself pretty

604
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: organized a couple months ago going into the season. Then

605
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: you know, everything breaks and yeah, you know, I don't know,

606
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: get a little lazy, I guess, and uh, I could

607
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: use a little bit of attention the floor of the walls.

608
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: You ever paint your garage?

609
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: No, I have, I know, I have never done that.

610
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: I don't have my is My garage is detached, okay,

611
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: and so it's pretty spare. But uh yeah, yeah, I

612
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: have a bad habit of finishing jobs and coming back

613
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: and just dropping every tool on my toolbox or a

614
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: tool we're benching, and then there comes this day where

615
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: I can't find any tool and I just have to

616
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Speaker 1: go through it and put it all the way.

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Speaker 2: They're around here somewhere. Well. The interesting thing about you know,

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Speaker 2: in suburbia, especially in the last probably thirty years, is

619
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Speaker 2: the garage has kind of been the entryway to a

620
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: lot of people's homes.

621
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Speaker 1: Yeah, more often than not, it seems like, yeah, and.

622
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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, it's kind of interesting because you know,

623
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: garage does have seem to be just a place to

624
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: put stuff and eventually, you know, it starts getting a

625
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: little tight in there, it gets a little disorganized, or

626
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: gets to be bumps and bruises on the walls. The

627
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 2: floor's got stains, and quite honestly, if it's the entryway

628
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: to your homes, probably got cleaned up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: And that's what we're gonna do today.

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Speaker 1: It's people's first impression, exactly.

631
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Speaker 2: It's amazing how many times as a homeowner you don't

632
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: necessarily use the front door anymore if you got a

633
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: side garage door, right And I was telling somebody this week,

634
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: I said, you know, you ever go out. I know

635
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: it sounds weird, but go out. The only time I

636
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: go out my front door is to pick up a package.

637
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: But I never really turn around and look, you know,

638
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: to see you know, how the coach lights are, and

639
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: how the concrete is and there any new cracks is there?

640
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: Any separation? Is there? Just dust and dirt? And now

641
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: we got the pollen that starts landing on the you

642
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: know steps, and could use your attention.

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Speaker 1: Now that you bring that up my dad's house. You know,

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Speaker 1: to get to the front door, you have to go

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Speaker 1: up some steps, take a little narrow deck around side

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Speaker 1: across the back and then in the front door, which

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00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: nobody does. Packages does tend to pile up out there

648
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: because no one even checks for that, right and your

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00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: way into the house is kind of squeeze past the car,

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Speaker 1: between the garbage cans around you know, the tools and

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00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: the you know, the the work boots, and then up

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Speaker 1: into the into the kitchen. So, yeah, it has changed

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Speaker 1: a lot from the way it used to.

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00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really has. So you know, it pays the

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00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: declutter and it's always a collection for all kinds of

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00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,479
Speaker 2: weird stuff like empty paint cans and half empty pant

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00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: cans and all kinds of stuff like that. So we're

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00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: going to work on cleaning the garage, getting rid of

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Speaker 2: the stains and kind of perk it up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I'll be listening because I can learn a lot from that,

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Speaker 1: I believe, be inspired at least to get better at

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Speaker 1: least some.

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Speaker 2: Well we can all do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the it's.

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Speaker 2: The execution of the plan that can be a challenge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, the it's an area where the

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00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: thought doesn't necessarily count. Yeah, yeah, it's the father through

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Speaker 1: that really matters.

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Speaker 2: So with the heat and everything, how's the tulip's doing.

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Speaker 2: This is the first time in about five years I

671
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: haven't been down to the zoo to look at the tuls.

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Speaker 1: They came on early, and they're definitely we definitely some

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Speaker 1: that are are are still looking nice. But here we're

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Speaker 1: not even mid April, and you know, so that we're

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Speaker 1: into the late tulips right now, and even those are

676
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: are kind of winding down. Yeah, yeah, so interesting. Yeah

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Speaker 1: it is. Every year is a little different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sure is. And this year, even with a

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00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 2: tree setter leafing out, man still way ahead of schedule.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're all still kind of crossing our fingers and yeah,

681
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, the ten day still looks good and that

682
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: that that helps. But we all remember that that year

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Speaker 1: with the late yeah, the May snow or the late

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Speaker 1: April freeze. Right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I got a little smoke bush outside my window

686
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Speaker 2: in my office and I'll tell you it's usually I

687
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 2: don't even think it has leaves on yet, and birds

688
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: are jumping around in and it's all leafed out. It

689
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Speaker 2: looks beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It's all fun and games, it is.

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00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, so I guess I'll have to watch it.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's so early, you're talking about you know,

693
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: when it's dry. I don't even think people turn their

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Speaker 2: irrigation systems on just because of the frost or all

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00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: freeze even you know, you don't want to do that, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, because you know it's not that much effort to

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Speaker 1: go and but you don't. There's some mental block there, right.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to turn on the water just to

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Speaker 1: have to turn it back off. Yeah, yeah, but might

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Speaker 1: have to do it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna stay busy this weekend for sure.

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Speaker 1: Me too.

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Speaker 2: Very good.

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Speaker 1: Well, good talking to you. What are you talking about today?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we're going to clean up things. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of spring cleaning and stuff, and there's a lot

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Speaker 2: to do. Efflorescence on chimneys, white bowdery, oh yeah, gotta

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00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: get that off. And that's you know, your house is

709
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: talking to you again, okay, And that is there's a

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00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: leak somewhere, or that brick is absorbing too much water.

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Speaker 2: It needs to be sealed. We'll cover the gamut as usual.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic, All right, guy listening, Thanks Garry, Brian, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being here today. I really appreciate it. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me worked out well, there are no tears, no,

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Speaker 1: no cussing. Yeah, and you know our other guests, I

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Speaker 1: want to thank them, Jennifer Brennan and Mike Berkeley, both

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Speaker 1: of them so good, so fun. Uh, Danny Gleeson for

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Speaker 1: making it sound good. And remember your podcast for the show.

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Speaker 1: We'll be popping up online and very shortly after the show,

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Speaker 1: so you can find those if you just on your

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Speaker 1: favorite source of podcasts or just google. That's garden with

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Speaker 1: Scott Berlin. Websites on its way, social media is on

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Speaker 1: its way. Next week we'll have landscape designers Hareah Geiger,

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Speaker 1: Beam and Joseph Taikanovich guesting this and uh, it'll be great,

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Speaker 1: so you want to join us for that. Thank you

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