Speaker 1: American Scott Phone back on seven hundred WLW. With all
Speaker 1: the news and big news we've had in headlines recently,
Speaker 1: there's other things that are kind of important. One of
Speaker 1: those is I don't know if you saw this, but
Speaker 1: the auditor of state State of Ohio reported at least
Speaker 1: twenty three cyber attacks against government offices in the past
Speaker 1: twelve months. It's here in Ohio, including seven hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars in theft in Licking County. We've seen this in
Speaker 1: Dayton and in Cincinnati and across the area. And as
Speaker 1: a result, lawmakers are working on cybersecurity legislations coming together
Speaker 1: that would acquire municipalities to develop their own policies in
Speaker 1: response to those cyber attacks and local governments. Chris Nihis
Speaker 1: is here. He's the CEO of Cincinnati based Vigilant cyber
Speaker 1: Security and Joints to show to discuss Chris.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Thanks Scott, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, Before we get to that where we this
Speaker 1: relatively new news here of this supply chain breach, and
Speaker 1: that's frightening because when it comes to user participation in
Speaker 1: the supply chain, and that is ordering stuff on Amazon
Speaker 1: or anywhere else, we have a compromise at that level.
Speaker 1: What's going on? What do we need to know?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: So what's crazy about this? So MPMs are packets of
Speaker 3: data it's or it's it's software, and what developers will
Speaker 3: do is they'll go out and get the software kind
Speaker 3: of a marketplace and.
Speaker 2: They'll pull it put it into.
Speaker 3: Their software that they write so that they don't have
Speaker 3: to write those modules again. So what basically happened here
Speaker 3: is UH is an individual that manages these in some
Speaker 3: of these MPMs, they were fished and basically gave up
Speaker 3: access to these modules. Attack went in modified them to
Speaker 3: when they were updated, like when people update their software,
Speaker 3: and these are definitely the cyber attack went into all
Speaker 3: of these different pieces of software out there. So the
Speaker 3: problem with this is is that developers don't always necessarily
Speaker 3: know what packages they put into these applications. Companies don't.
Speaker 3: They don't know if they take a piece of software
Speaker 3: and they put it into their websites or whatever. In
Speaker 3: this case, it's affecting a lot of crypto wallets that
Speaker 3: are out there, and so it's a massive problem because
Speaker 3: this supply chain attack of basically a supply chain of
Speaker 3: a piece of software that gets tos tribute all kinds
Speaker 3: of places with maybe no record that's even there is
Speaker 3: it can affect the applications you use every day. And
Speaker 3: in a lot of case, what they're seeing where a
Speaker 3: lot of these applications were affected. We're crypto wallets, So
Speaker 3: if you're transferring crypto, one of the things that's happening
Speaker 3: is malicious attacker. So it's where if you go to
Speaker 3: transfer crypto, the software actually swaps out the setting address
Speaker 3: that you're sending to with their address, So they're accumulating
Speaker 3: crypto from people trying to make legitimate transactions by just
Speaker 3: changing that out.
Speaker 1: Wow, got it. So now every time you click buy
Speaker 1: or you add a card right now, now you've got
Speaker 1: to think about that, right.
Speaker 4: No, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: As we talk with HB ninety six, it's even these
Speaker 3: things can be related, right because you know, when when
Speaker 3: it's software, it's embedded in software you use, you don't
Speaker 3: necessarily know those things are happening. So like within PM,
Speaker 3: it's invisible to everybody out there, you know, but it's everywhere, right,
Speaker 3: it's the software library system that developers use to build
Speaker 3: these apps and websites, and so you know, I think
Speaker 3: It's like the plumbing behind all of your favorite apps,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Right right right, We don't think about it until now
Speaker 1: we can breach that as well. And this gets back
Speaker 1: to the discussion about HB ninety six. Here cybersecurity legislature
Speaker 1: across the state. The state says, well, if you're in
Speaker 1: a municipality, you have to come up with a plan
Speaker 1: to deal with cyber attacks on local love. We've got
Speaker 1: to review your do a systems review, identify risks and
Speaker 1: mitigation and stuff like that. But I mean that'd be
Speaker 1: okay for Cincinnati, Columbus, Cleveland. Maybe if you're a Toledo
Speaker 1: or a Dayton or a city like Youngstown for example.
Speaker 1: But you know, we have a lot, a lot of
Speaker 1: small communities just here in the lit Sting area right
Speaker 1: here in Cincinnati as well. How good are these municipalities
Speaker 1: going to be where maybe I don't know a couple
Speaker 1: dozen or ten people who administrate that municipality. Should we
Speaker 1: really be put in in their hands because I don't
Speaker 1: don't they have the resources?
Speaker 3: Well, see, here's the thing about it is, and you
Speaker 3: know you and I've talked about cyber for a while.
Speaker 3: Here is that the commodity technology that's out there in
Speaker 3: the market just it just doesn't work. And and that's
Speaker 3: that's something that people don't like me to say, especially
Speaker 3: in this industry, but it's the truth of it. And
Speaker 3: you know, if you look at all of the reports
Speaker 3: year after year, the time it takes to detect a
Speaker 3: threat right now is seven years.
Speaker 2: I mean that seven years starts seven months. That's grown years.
Speaker 3: Well sometimes you know, with with the attack against Dropbox,
Speaker 3: it was four years, right so so, but average right
Speaker 3: now with seven months and and and that's where you know,
Speaker 3: the part of the issue is the cyber industry just
Speaker 3: doesn't have a significant amount of.
Speaker 4: Time you have pivot that really is effective.
Speaker 3: And when it is effective tech it does take teams
Speaker 3: that have high skill sets in and have a lot
Speaker 3: of time to focus on that. And unfortunately in our
Speaker 3: school districts and local governments, you know, they don't have
Speaker 3: the funding. You know, they're they're they're not giving the
Speaker 3: funding to do it. And you know, if you watch
Speaker 3: some of these uh, you know, council meetings, you'll find
Speaker 3: where is you know, someone bring up a purchase for
Speaker 3: cybersecurity and it gets trumps because of sidewalks fixes, right,
Speaker 3: and which are both important, but but they just don't
Speaker 3: get the funding and they don't have the resources. So
Speaker 3: to your point, yes, it's going to be a problem.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: You know what happens though in these organizations is they
Speaker 3: buy commodity software that is more automatic, and that's that's
Speaker 3: part of the issue, is that the automatic approach to
Speaker 3: cyberturity doesn't work, and so these school districts are going
Speaker 3: to have to spend a lot more money. Local governments
Speaker 3: are gonna have to do the same. They're going to
Speaker 3: have to bolster their teams up, uh, and they're going
Speaker 3: to have to really be wise about the tech that
Speaker 3: they i inside the environments, you know that they that
Speaker 3: they use.
Speaker 1: Right right, Well, that's the thing is finding the proper vendor.
Speaker 1: But it's up to the municipality though to figure out,
Speaker 1: you know, what the detection is there too. So the
Speaker 1: onus is on them is in this in this bill,
Speaker 1: Can I just go, wait a minute, I've got a
Speaker 1: bad vendor or I hired someone doesn't know what the
Speaker 1: hell they're doing. Does that cover them legally from the
Speaker 1: state perspective? What about that? Because I don't know what
Speaker 1: I don't know, you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, it doesn't And That's really the thing with
Speaker 3: all of this is that you know, companies have to
Speaker 3: be extremely careful about the tech they buy. They can't
Speaker 3: just buy a brand name. And in fact, if you
Speaker 3: look at that seven months of time, that's driven by
Speaker 3: the you know, the organizations that have quoe unquote more
Speaker 3: market share. So you have to be really careful about
Speaker 3: the organizations you buy because at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: you are legally responsible because you chose where to put
Speaker 3: the data. And in this case, you know there there's
Speaker 3: you know, the responsibility to report. I mean, you have
Speaker 3: to report an incident within seven days, you know, from
Speaker 3: when it happened. I mean right now, it's seven months
Speaker 3: to even detect it. You have to you know, you
Speaker 3: can't ransomware, which I think is a good thing in
Speaker 3: most cases because it will it will slow down the
Speaker 3: process for these attackers. I think it'll make school districts
Speaker 3: a lot less of a target in some ways because
Speaker 3: they'll be harder to get them. But they have to
Speaker 3: get either bord approval or they have to get council
Speaker 3: approval to pay ransomware now, which is really good. But
Speaker 3: the other thing that I I'll say, I do really
Speaker 3: love about this bill, and it's something that I think
Speaker 3: Ohio did really really well and the states like California
Speaker 3: did really really poorly. And basically in this bill, it
Speaker 3: makes all cybersecurity records and purchases confidential, and in like California,
Speaker 3: they have to report everything they do literally public record.
Speaker 3: And so why that's important is when you're when you're
Speaker 3: fighting against cyber attacks that know what they're doing. And
Speaker 3: if you have a document that you literally just put
Speaker 3: out there right and you tell everybody all the technology
Speaker 3: you use and all the purchase you use and all
Speaker 3: your records, then they know exactly how to attack you.
Speaker 3: So I think Ohio did a really good thing. You
Speaker 3: don't normally see that from lawmakers a lot because they're
Speaker 3: not really technologically advanced when they write these laws. Ohio
Speaker 3: did an awesome job.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. Here's California, Silicon Valley, Apple, all these big
Speaker 1: and they screw it up. Here's Ohio. We get it right.
Speaker 2: Good for right, we get it right.
Speaker 1: The reason I live at Ohio now California. Chris and I.
Speaker 1: Heis CEO of vigil and Cybersecurity in Cincinnati, Ohio, and
Speaker 1: the State Aunor's office and now legislation proposed coming together
Speaker 1: to require musavels to developed cybersecurity policies, which is important.
Speaker 1: Sounds boring, but important, but I mean just think about it.
Speaker 1: Just to what this month we had the City of Middletown,
Speaker 1: for example, right there, they had an attack disrupted city services,
Speaker 1: in person operations, online functions. They're trying to resolve the
Speaker 1: issue right now, and largely these it happened to call
Speaker 1: this last year. As a matter of fact, it was
Speaker 1: a major one. I think it breached like five hundred
Speaker 1: thousand people, including names and dobs, addresses, tax accounts, socials,
Speaker 1: all that stuff that's stolen and sold in the dark web.
Speaker 1: Still have no idea who did it, where the information is.
Speaker 1: It's just out there in the ether, and there's no
Speaker 1: catching these people, as we've talked about before, Chris, But
Speaker 1: those are two of many. I think the problem for
Speaker 1: me is, and I heard about this firsthand from a friend,
Speaker 1: Kettering Health Alliance had a ransomware malware attack shut everything down,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what the outcome was, but you know,
Speaker 1: their pr people kind of played it close to the vest, like, hey,
Speaker 1: everything's fine, we got it under control. We're working on
Speaker 1: the problem and there's no disclosure. Now, if you're that's
Speaker 1: one thing in your company, but if it's your health records,
Speaker 1: if it's your social if it's your address, I need
Speaker 1: to know that that information has been compromised and it's transparency,
Speaker 1: so you look at it go. You know, I just
Speaker 1: don't want to be held accountable. I don't want to
Speaker 1: get voted out if I'm a Middletown City council person,
Speaker 1: if I'm the mayor of Columbus, or I'm the CEO
Speaker 1: of a healthcare operation, I don't want that on my
Speaker 1: I'm the one that staying on my record. So we'll downplay.
Speaker 1: That's not good for the people who have been victimized.
Speaker 3: Though it's not you know, you know, we we have
Speaker 3: to be better. You know, organizations have to be better
Speaker 3: at communicating. They have to they have to not hide it.
Speaker 3: You know, that's where a lot of these classacks are
Speaker 3: lasting against these organizations are starting to come around. The
Speaker 3: one thing I will say is that is that when
Speaker 3: it comes to these records, you know, when you when
Speaker 3: you want, you know, our records, yours of mine already stolen.
Speaker 3: You know, the majority of the population over eighteen already stolen.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's been so many breaches one after the.
Speaker 3: Other that data is out there, especially as social numbers
Speaker 3: things like that. Yeah, where schools come into play in
Speaker 3: the municipalities. There's two things that are interesting here. One
Speaker 3: is every year as kids turn turns eighteen, right, it's
Speaker 3: a new group of people whose identities haven't been compromised yet.
Speaker 3: And so schools are a great place where a packer
Speaker 3: men get high value target information. And what I mean
Speaker 3: high value target is yours. My records sell for about
Speaker 3: a dollar.
Speaker 2: Out there in the marketplace.
Speaker 3: Some of that's turning step, you know, seventeen eighteen, their
Speaker 3: records are going to sell for a lot more out
Speaker 3: of the hacking marketplace because they haven't been used yet,
Speaker 3: whereas yours or mine, you know, if they have to
Speaker 3: prove it everything else. So schools are a major target
Speaker 3: for that. So you know, as a parent, one of
Speaker 3: the things you can do right now is make sure
Speaker 3: you get identity SEFF protection for your kids, even though
Speaker 3: they're under eighteen, they have to have that. Make sure
Speaker 3: you lock down their credit because what happens is these
Speaker 3: you know, go to apply for their first vehicle and
Speaker 3: they realize they have apportable credit score because you know
Speaker 3: their identity. Since you know with that, when it comes
Speaker 3: to municipalities, you know, we are in an international cyber war,
Speaker 3: it already happens.
Speaker 2: Then people in this industry know it.
Speaker 3: We as as you know citizens United States, have to
Speaker 3: realize that that it is an it.
Speaker 2: Is an actual border to border war.
Speaker 3: And with that, our municipalities, our local police departments are
Speaker 3: emergencies response systems. You know, when cyber war continues to escalate,
Speaker 3: those are the places that are going to get shut
Speaker 3: down first, right and you're not going to have the services,
Speaker 3: so that there has to be accountability to make sure
Speaker 3: that these things are done right in that our identity
Speaker 3: is propected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's interesting you just assume your
Speaker 1: information is out there as an adult, and so you know,
Speaker 1: we have the credit monitoring thing going on and we
Speaker 1: have a lifelog or whatever the version is of it
Speaker 1: that we have, but that's a good brand. And also
Speaker 1: make sure that our credit reports are locked down. And
Speaker 1: so we originally bought a new house and had to
Speaker 1: go remember to unlock all the credit reports for a
Speaker 1: while till they pulled your credit and then locked them
Speaker 1: back up is that the best pay is that the
Speaker 1: best you can do to prevent your information from me
Speaker 1: you just assume it's being misused. But if you have
Speaker 1: your credit the three credit viers locked down, then there's
Speaker 1: not much they can do as far as trying to
Speaker 1: get credit.
Speaker 3: In your name, right right, I mean in that finance
Speaker 3: side of things. So yes, walking things down there, making
Speaker 3: sure you have credit holds, you know, unless you're going
Speaker 3: to purchase something, then turn the credit hold off and
Speaker 3: then turn it back on. Make sure you're working with
Speaker 3: a reputable organization will text your credit. But also make
Speaker 3: sure that you have insurance around it, you know, identity
Speaker 3: sept protection. You know, getting your identity back can cost
Speaker 3: over a million dollars sometimes and so you know, I
Speaker 3: mean it depends you one hundred thousand million, you know wherever,
Speaker 3: how widespread that is. So make sure you have insurance,
Speaker 3: you know, with whoever you're working with. And again for
Speaker 3: your kids. You have to make sure that you do
Speaker 3: that for your kids.
Speaker 2: If you if you.
Speaker 3: Don't, if you haven't done it, do it today, right
Speaker 3: because right because it's it's a growing problem.
Speaker 1: Socause you're young, you don't you're not, thank you know,
Speaker 1: you haven't pulled any credit yet, and so I don't
Speaker 1: need to lock my credit down.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: But all they need is a social security number. And
Speaker 1: you know, you can be sixteen, seventeen, eighteen and they
Speaker 1: can use that social We've seen them user for dead
Speaker 1: people and newborns. Why not teenagers? We just don't think
Speaker 1: of it right.
Speaker 3: And the other thing too is you know what, you know,
Speaker 3: what your kids you turn eighteen, you know, help them
Speaker 3: put them on your credit card as well. And and
Speaker 3: then that way they have some if something does happen
Speaker 3: where their identity is stolen, you at least have some
Speaker 3: good credit that is built then, so they can they
Speaker 3: can bounce it off, you know, set them up for success.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's you know, you know this data is
Speaker 2: so widespread.
Speaker 3: Companies just I'll just say, companies do.
Speaker 2: Not protect data the way they're supposed to.
Speaker 3: And and a lot of it isn't their fault in
Speaker 3: the sense.
Speaker 2: Of what we were talking about earlier.
Speaker 3: It's they're the ones that made the decision to choose
Speaker 3: the technology or the solutions that they put in, but
Speaker 3: they don't have the skill set to do the due
Speaker 3: diligence to it or they don't have the budget to
Speaker 3: purchase the things they need, and so it is a
Speaker 3: growing problem. It's going to keep getting worse until there's
Speaker 3: a lot more accountability in place. But then with the
Speaker 3: accountability comes regulation, and with regulation there's somethings less, less flexibility.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's a it's a fine line.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: So cybersecurity legislation coming together at the Ohio level that
Speaker 1: require municipalities to develop their our own cybersecurity policies. Basically,
Speaker 1: hire a good company and that way you've kind of
Speaker 1: got like a back phone, you call someone and instead
Speaker 1: of getting caught with your pants down. And we've seen
Speaker 1: it happen in Columbus, We've seen it happen in Middletown
Speaker 1: and elsewhere, and it's going to happen every day. So
Speaker 1: at least this is a step in the right direction.
Speaker 1: And I'll abide to you, Chris, because you're the expert
Speaker 1: here and saying this is good law. Chris n Ihei,
Speaker 1: CEO of Vigilant Cybersecurity and Cincinnati. Always enjoy the conversation,
Speaker 1: the especially the eye opening information. I appreciate you, Nik,
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Speaker 1: This the dirty Sentchiz gets weirder and weirder, right. Mark Sanchez,
Speaker 1: from our NFL quarterback, is now being sued by the
Speaker 1: sixteennine year old truck driver Perry Tole, the guy severely
Speaker 1: injured in the beatdown on Friday in Indianapolis. Mark Sanchez,
Speaker 1: former quarterback for Willa Jets A List, is a broadcaster
Speaker 1: now and he was in town for the game. And first,
Speaker 1: initially all the tweets coming out towards Sanchez, Oh, I
Speaker 1: hope he's okay. It was a horrible thing that happened.
Speaker 1: Then we learned that, uh, he's the guy initiated this.
Speaker 1: So the truck drive six down truck driver is unloading
Speaker 1: his truck. He's like waiting for a shipment of cooking
Speaker 1: oiled or something. He's a loading dock. I think they
Speaker 1: said a receiving area, so I'm guessing was a loading dock.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's front of the hotel, so it's late or
Speaker 1: early morning. I guess I should say he's out there
Speaker 1: doing his job. And Sanchez rolls up stinking drunk, I guess,
Speaker 1: just smelling and smelling of alcohols what they said, and
Speaker 1: tells me he's got to move his truck. He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm working, man, I'm not moving my well, you got it,
Speaker 1: and he starts like getting in his face and threatening him,
Speaker 1: and at one point starts attacking and trying to take
Speaker 1: the phone of the sixte nine year old truck driver.
Speaker 1: He pulls out Perry told us pepper spray, fires it
Speaker 1: at Sanchez fire he goes nuts and starts hitting him
Speaker 1: even harder. So he pulls out a knife and self
Speaker 1: defense and starts cutting up Sanchez, at which point I
Speaker 1: guess he stumbles away and anyway, Perry tolls in the hospital.
Speaker 1: I saw the pictures and it looks bad. He got
Speaker 1: his He got despite having the pepper spray and a knife.
Speaker 1: He's still a seven year old against a thirty something
Speaker 1: year old former NFL football player, and he got whooped on.
Speaker 1: He's the guy's a mess and as a result, now
Speaker 1: he has foiled a lawsuit against Fox Sports as well
Speaker 1: as Mark Sanchez. So it is one of the most
Speaker 1: bizarre I don't know, off field sports related cases I
Speaker 1: think I've ever seen. It was just a craz what so,
Speaker 1: what the hell is Sanchez doing?
Speaker 2: Tell him?
Speaker 1: This guy's got to move his truck from a loading
Speaker 1: from a loading dock, is unless it was in front
Speaker 1: of the hotel or something. And he's like, I was
Speaker 1: waiting for a ride and thought he had, I don't know,
Speaker 1: kind of like at the airport, you know, people stand
Speaker 1: there and mark their territory when waiting for the pick up.
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't work that way. It's first come for renservatives.
Speaker 1: There's no reserving a drop up or pickoff spot. It's
Speaker 1: just people show up. Man, what are you going to do?
Speaker 1: And why the hell does Sanchez care? Anyway? The crazy story,
Speaker 1: crazy story, all right, more federal furlough Well in this case,
Speaker 1: it'd be the furloughed workers that are concerned right now.
Speaker 1: And I for since this thing began, been talking about
Speaker 1: the feeder of it, and then you know, eventually what
Speaker 1: winds up happening is we get more and more inconvenienced.
Speaker 1: I mentioned yesterday about airports for example, not the big
Speaker 1: although Nashville, I guess was impacted to some degree. But
Speaker 1: you know, they make it just n cut cut enough,
Speaker 1: just to make it uncomfortable for me and you to notice.
Speaker 1: So you're going to go a fly out of somewhere
Speaker 1: and go, oh my god, the tower's closed and flights
Speaker 1: are delayed, and yeah it's you know, we're not stopping
Speaker 1: are traffic completely, but we're making it uncomfortable for you.
Speaker 1: We're going to make it so you notice. But buying large,
Speaker 1: the big stuff continues. Only eight percent of the government
Speaker 1: is shut down. It's see eight percent that would make
Speaker 1: us feel uncomfortable. You know, the big stuff is still
Speaker 1: going to get taken care of, which is why this
Speaker 1: is all nonsense in theater. And it'd be kind of
Speaker 1: amusing if it were a fact. It was costing us
Speaker 1: even more money we have to borrow, adding more and
Speaker 1: more to the federal deficit and debt every time we
Speaker 1: shut the government down for silly reasons. Nonetheless, starting Friday,
Speaker 1: this is going to be the last day Friday for
Speaker 1: many federal workers as far as their paychecks go. And
Speaker 1: a White House memo was leaked out that argues furloughed
Speaker 1: federal workers are not until the back pay after the
Speaker 1: government shutdown lifts, and that kind of contradicts what's been
Speaker 1: said before and done in the past. And of course,
Speaker 1: as you know, everything is subject to negotiation, change and
Speaker 1: just getting out right blown up under the current administration,
Speaker 1: that's how they roll. There's something called the twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: Government Employee Fair Treatment Act that mandates all federal employees,
Speaker 1: if your furloughed working on pay, must receive back pay
Speaker 1: after shutdown. Not quite sure how that works here. The
Speaker 1: White House thinks that law doesn't automatically cover all furlow workers.
Speaker 1: And I know which ones you pick and which ones
Speaker 1: you wouldn't. And this is indeed engaging the Democrats to
Speaker 1: get them voted for a continuing resolution to fund the
Speaker 1: government for what seven more weeks before you do this
Speaker 1: all over again. I don't know. My gut reaction to
Speaker 1: the whole thing is. I know there's many people that
Speaker 1: will just no matter what Trump does, they agree with them.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people like that, for sure.
Speaker 1: I don't understand that line of thinking quite honestly. I
Speaker 1: think that's silly. But hey, if your team Trump and
Speaker 1: somehow you think that scores you points and you're super
Speaker 1: an ultra maga and you can't drift away from the
Speaker 1: little protected group of Thompson's gazelles, away from the pond
Speaker 1: because you're afraid that I know, the liberal line is
Speaker 1: gonna come out and get you or something like that.
Speaker 1: That's on you. I don't know. It seems a sense
Speaker 1: of propriety. It's like, if you have a job and
Speaker 1: you don't shot for your job and you don't have
Speaker 1: sick days, or you're out of sick days, you're out
Speaker 1: of vacation days, you're not gonna get paid. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: just how it works in the real world. Now, if
Speaker 1: in this case the politicians shut everything down to score
Speaker 1: some points with voters or their constituents, which is all
Speaker 1: this is, then that's not on you. You showed up
Speaker 1: ready to work and the deal is in the past. Well,
Speaker 1: if you shut down and we may not get it
Speaker 1: this week, but at some point I'll be made whole.
Speaker 1: That seems reasonable, you go, well, Sloan, that just adds
Speaker 1: to the national the federal deaf. That's I mean literally, Now,
Speaker 1: I think people argue that are pursing in the sense
Speaker 1: that it's what the federal plays make. What the four
Speaker 1: hundred thousand, it's such such an insignificant number. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's significant, but it's not. It's the other stuff that
Speaker 1: we continue to do that bankrupt the country. This is
Speaker 1: literally pennies, but you're not worried about the dollars. That
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to me. And not only that, this
Speaker 1: is actual, real, live human beings, you know. Okay, they
Speaker 1: took a well that's what you get working for the
Speaker 1: federal government. You shouldn't work for the federal goal. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, that's not what they told people when they
Speaker 1: offered the job. It's not like people came to them
Speaker 1: and demanded them to create a position for them. Someone
Speaker 1: at some point said, hey, there's federal jobs available. Here's
Speaker 1: a federal job. And some of these people may have
Speaker 1: been hired under the previous Trump administration or maybe even
Speaker 1: during the Bush administration, who knows. Nonetheless, the deal was, hey,
Speaker 1: you show up, you get paid, here's the job. Hey
Speaker 1: we have a job opening. Okay, grant, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: into the federal government. And certainly the benefits are really
Speaker 1: damn good. You get every of their day off on
Speaker 1: a holiday. But we know them as the rules. And
Speaker 1: when you have a mortgage to pay, when you have
Speaker 1: a family to take care of, I feel for you
Speaker 1: if you're furloughed in the sense that, okay, after Friday,
Speaker 1: I don't have any money coming, and that's a problem.
Speaker 1: But at some point in two weeks a week, whenever
Speaker 1: this thing's settled, maybe been up to what the longest
Speaker 1: one we had with thirty five days, and at some point,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll get you your money. But you know,
Speaker 1: just to simply say, hey, you're not working, you're not
Speaker 1: getting paid, you know, just another one of those unforced
Speaker 1: errors that the Trump administration continues to commit. It doesn't
Speaker 1: really help. I mean, I can't imagine people that are
Speaker 1: routing who the hell's rooting for someone not to get
Speaker 1: a paycheck, going hey, yeah, this is awesome. The pennies
Speaker 1: that we're saving, literally with all the with the thirty
Speaker 1: seven trillion dollars plus in debt we are, this is
Speaker 1: going to save literally fractions of cents. Yay, good, let's
Speaker 1: punish these What do they do wrong? You know, simply
Speaker 1: we're hired for a job, could have been a year ago,
Speaker 1: could have been ten, twenty thirty years ago. Who the
Speaker 1: hell knows, and now they're not getting paid, so I'm
Speaker 1: not quite sure a vendors for that matter. It just
Speaker 1: seems kind of pad once again, one of those petty
Speaker 1: things that we continue to do. So you know, if
Speaker 1: you're cheering for someone not to get paid, I think
Speaker 1: that reflects upon you more than anything. And all in all,
Speaker 1: it's the notion that somehow we distrusted government this country
Speaker 1: for so long. That has been a cornerstone of America
Speaker 1: really since our foundation. I mean, we broke away because
Speaker 1: we hated government. We trust it, and now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like, yay, whether if I'm on team Writer,
Speaker 1: team Blue, no matter what they do is one hundred
Speaker 1: percent right. And I'll point that out to again. If
Speaker 1: you just get government the hell out of the way
Speaker 1: and a lot of us make money and live our lives,
Speaker 1: it seems to work much better.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Another area that would be letting parents parent. Would you
Speaker 1: agree that we may not be perfect when it comes
Speaker 1: to parenting, may not be the best parents or in
Speaker 1: retrospect of God, I don't know a parent unless they're
Speaker 1: not completely honest themselves. That later in life, as they
Speaker 1: age get older and their kids grow up, you go,
Speaker 1: you know, there's some things that would done differently. I
Speaker 1: think you're open and honest with yourself and your kids.
Speaker 1: You go, yeah, there's some things I did or I
Speaker 1: thought was right at the time that turns out in
Speaker 1: retrospect was the wrong thing. And sometimes you luck into
Speaker 1: things they're good as well. I think that's true. But
Speaker 1: they say, you know, there's no handbook, that there's no instruction, man,
Speaker 1: and when it comes to having a child. Plus you're
Speaker 1: also fairly young too, and you have a lot to
Speaker 1: learn in life. I think that's why grandparents are so
Speaker 1: good is because we've been through it. We've seen cycles,
Speaker 1: we've seen history, we've lived it. The stuff we thought
Speaker 1: was important, we realize it's not that important. I think
Speaker 1: grandparents are much better parents than actual parents. And that's
Speaker 1: not a slight towards parents. It's just like, you know more,
Speaker 1: that's the allegedly the wisdom that comes along and maybe
Speaker 1: I do things a little bit different. And that's why, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got to Gramma and Grandpa's like, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't have all the strict roles and the nonsense that
Speaker 1: goes with this, and that's the balance of life and
Speaker 1: that's true for every generation. And I bring this up
Speaker 1: kind of playing off of what we just talked about,
Speaker 1: but also the fact that Supreme Court are arguments yesterday
Speaker 1: and whether this is Colorado, Colorado has a ban as
Speaker 1: I think twenty states do in America. I'm conversion therapy.
Speaker 1: That that the argument is interesting argument. So it's a
Speaker 1: Christian therapist and she is challenging the law that prohibits
Speaker 1: licensed mental health therapists and providers from attempting to change
Speaker 1: a minor sexual orientation or gender identity, called conversion therapy.
Speaker 1: We've heard about this for years and a lot of
Speaker 1: religious groups are behind it because it's biblical to believe
Speaker 1: that it's a moral to be gay or lesbian or transgender,
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. And it's been opposed by medical
Speaker 1: organizations because they say, now this is actually more harmful
Speaker 1: to force them into conversion therapy rather than go along
Speaker 1: with it. And you know, we've debated this when it
Speaker 1: comes to transgender issues and the like in the Buckeye
Speaker 1: State as well as Kentucky and Indiana for that matter.
Speaker 1: And so this lady is the k has the case.
Speaker 1: Kaylee Choles is her name, and she's going after the
Speaker 1: rule of the law that prohibits therapists like yourself from
Speaker 1: attempting to change a miner's sex orientation or gender identity.
Speaker 1: She said, it's because it infringes on her ability to
Speaker 1: counsel miners within a faith based context. It's a First
Speaker 1: Amendment argument, It's what. It's a really interesting argument, thinking, well, wow,
Speaker 1: if you believe, because of biblical teachings that you can
Speaker 1: convert someone to become straight when they're gay, then that
Speaker 1: should be allowed. Now would you draw the line the
Speaker 1: abuse and neglect and punishment and you're locking a kid
Speaker 1: in a box and some of these horror stories you
Speaker 1: hear about, I don't know for some of these re
Speaker 1: education camps they call it. Yeah, but if you're to
Speaker 1: counsel them, I think that in a clinical setting, I
Speaker 1: think that's an entirely different thing. Do I agree with it?
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter because much like the other side of
Speaker 1: this argument would be what's happened in Ohio when it
Speaker 1: came to preventing transgender kids from accessing puberty blockers and
Speaker 1: hormone therapist therapy interest in general. And you can say, well,
Speaker 1: that's different. This is this is someone talking, This is
Speaker 1: not a chemical you're injecting. It doesn't matter. The fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is that there is a parent and
Speaker 1: there's also a medical community to think that this is
Speaker 1: a reasonable and quite honestly not not debilitating process to
Speaker 1: in this case try and change someone's gender. Like I
Speaker 1: don't get all of it myself, but it seems to
Speaker 1: me that if you're arguing and going, hey, listen, we
Speaker 1: should be fighting for Kaylee Childs in her First Amendment rights,
Speaker 1: in the First Amendment rights of other Christians to counsel
Speaker 1: a young person a minor into becoming straight when they're gay.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can, actually I don't believe
Speaker 1: you can do that, but it doesn't mean you can't try.
Speaker 1: And also either and when you look at what's going
Speaker 1: on with with we talked about the transgender thing, is
Speaker 1: that their parents have fully believe that, Yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: I've kind of known that my son was maybe it
Speaker 1: was a girl, maybe you know, genetically speaking, certainly when
Speaker 1: it comes to the body parts and the biology that
Speaker 1: they are born a man and they're a man or
Speaker 1: a boy in this case, and you know, they may
Speaker 1: have proclivities to or just being a woman and more
Speaker 1: womanly things. But again, I think that's up to the
Speaker 1: parent to make that tough decision or to try and
Speaker 1: do what's best at what they think at that moment
Speaker 1: based on the permission to have to simply parent. Doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it's right. Could be wrong. But I could say
Speaker 1: the same thing about what's happening with this case in Colorado.
Speaker 1: Could be wrong, maybe right. Parenting is the toughest job
Speaker 1: in the world, and I know this. We're not good
Speaker 1: at it, none of us are. Because look at the
Speaker 1: state of the world. Most of the problems and crimes
Speaker 1: and everything else we have is why. It's because we
Speaker 1: suck as parents. We've always sucked as parents. They can
Speaker 1: talk about the old days out you know, the good
Speaker 1: old day when the good old days parents could parent
Speaker 1: and parents. Yeah, we weren't good parents back then. Either
Speaker 1: you just do the best you can. Hell wasn't that
Speaker 1: long ago. Or we just had kids because we needed
Speaker 1: cheap labor, we needed free labor. Why do you have
Speaker 1: eleven kids all I've got to run the farm? Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, eleven kids because anything about birth control
Speaker 1: or it's against their religions. So we got all these kids,
Speaker 1: and you know somebody's got to I don't know, somebody's
Speaker 1: got to knit those sweaters. Somebody's gotta make those shoes
Speaker 1: in the sweats out. And then the kids were doing
Speaker 1: somebody's got to sit there and break up blumps of coals.
Speaker 1: That comes out of the mind, Well, well let kids
Speaker 1: do that, so it kids is cheap labor. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say that that's exactly nominously the greatest generation ever of parents,
Speaker 1: More like the greatest generation ever of people who produced
Speaker 1: free labor. Cheap labor. But that's what we knew at
Speaker 1: the time. They did the best they could do with
Speaker 1: what we knew at the time, and you really can't
Speaker 1: fault people for that same thing.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 1: It just strikes me is whether it's the people that
Speaker 1: are going to be fighting for the Supreme Court to
Speaker 1: overturn this band on free speech when it comes to Christians,
Speaker 1: or in the fact, when it comes to parents who
Speaker 1: believe it's in their kids' best interests, their family's best interests,
Speaker 1: to allow a kid to go through conversion therapy. Sexual
Speaker 1: conversion therapy, it's really not any of my business or yours,
Speaker 1: and it certainly isn't the business of the government now
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll get all blown up and say, well,
Speaker 1: you said it's different. You're putting these poisonous chemicals and
Speaker 1: these things, and you're allowing them to inject their kid
Speaker 1: with I don't know. We alter kids' bodies all the time,
Speaker 1: first and foremost. I mean, then if that's the case,
Speaker 1: then we don't want to alter what God did to you.
Speaker 1: Then why are we circumcising boys still? There's no reason
Speaker 1: for that. There's no reason for young babies to have
Speaker 1: ear piercings and stuff. I mean, how far do you
Speaker 1: want to go with government outlawing stuff that you think
Speaker 1: is okay. As a parent, you may cringe at it
Speaker 1: and go, yeah, I wouldn't do that to my kid.
Speaker 1: But again, that's the whole point of this thing. It's
Speaker 1: your child now. Is it neglect? Is it abuse? And
Speaker 1: I love how they try and make this the issue
Speaker 1: of neglect or abuse either way, that you're abusing this
Speaker 1: kid because you're talking about them about Christianity and whether
Speaker 1: it's a good idea and why you shouldn't be gay.
Speaker 1: At the same time, you can apply the same thing
Speaker 1: to what we're talking about when it comes to transgender kids,
Speaker 1: and each side is going to dig their heels and
Speaker 1: scream about why the other side's wrong. But again, it's
Speaker 1: that divisiveness if that's at that one side, and this
Speaker 1: that I'm right and you're always wrong attitude that gets
Speaker 1: us to the cringy, if not dangerous nature of life
Speaker 1: in America today, where we have political violence and everything else.
Speaker 1: You know, again, the problem is government. So you just
Speaker 1: get the hell out of the way. Let us parent now,
Speaker 1: you and neglect abuse, You don't feed your kid. How
Speaker 1: We had a horrific story the other day, and I
Speaker 1: forgot where, but locally where you had these poor babies,
Speaker 1: three of them that were emaciated. Right, The eight year
Speaker 1: old weighed like thirty pounds, the six year old weigh
Speaker 1: like ten pounds. Horrible story. And every time I see
Speaker 1: one of those stories, I look at us. There's always
Speaker 1: at least one, if not both, of the parents that
Speaker 1: are fat bastards. Did you ever notice that when it
Speaker 1: comes to the people who starve these poor babies and
Speaker 1: deliberately treat them, I don't know, worse than a pet
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. You know, one of them, they're always obese.
Speaker 1: It's like, are you eating all their food? I don't
Speaker 1: understand how you can allow this as a human being
Speaker 1: to happen. But people like that, to me are sub
Speaker 1: Now that's an issue we have all. Okay, that's neglect
Speaker 1: and abuse. What we're talking about here is people just
Speaker 1: trying to get by and do the right thing, and
Speaker 1: you know we're criminalizing on either side. The sillinessess of
Speaker 1: it is there's so many people willing to go along
Speaker 1: with it because there's an hour a D next to
Speaker 1: their name and that's all that matters to them. We
Speaker 1: should not be listening to those folks. Quick time out.
Speaker 1: We've got news on the way and just minute, Sloaney
Speaker 1: continues after seven hundred WW do you want to be
Speaker 1: an American? Slowly back on seven hundred WLW. The biggest
Speaker 1: news of the well of the week the shock Cincinnati's
Speaker 1: sending a twenty twenty six fifth round pick to Cleveland
Speaker 1: in exchange for a six round selection and forty year
Speaker 1: old Joe Flacco to SOS save our season, mainly because
Speaker 1: he was available and seemingly he is the only backup
Speaker 1: not tied up in a progressive insurance ad. We couldn't
Speaker 1: get the Veto or Bridgewater. We got Flaco. James rapine
Speaker 1: this year from Sports Illicitris bendelstock dot Com, Lockdo on
Speaker 1: Bendel's podcast, James, welcome.
Speaker 4: How are you? We're doing great? Are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing fine? Does this mean that the club is
Speaker 1: confident that that Joe Burrow is going to return in December?
Speaker 1: And I mean that because yeah, normally you look at this,
Speaker 1: it go this, Okay, are we going to win any
Speaker 1: more games? Are we going to make some deals, get
Speaker 1: a quarterback, or just right the season off, because let's
Speaker 1: face it, it's not just the quarterback and going down
Speaker 1: as a problem. There's a host of other problems as well,
Speaker 1: and we have to systematically rebuild and do everything differently
Speaker 1: and get ready for twenty twenty six. This feels to
Speaker 1: me like, hey, you know what, maybe he's coming back
Speaker 1: in the summer.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah. And I tried to be indirect with people
Speaker 4: as possible, because you're right, I think a lot of
Speaker 4: people have shut the door on Joe Burrow returning this season,
Speaker 4: and internally that is the expectation. Joe takes snatch to
Speaker 4: him this year. He set that standard splash expectation. You
Speaker 4: put that on himself before he had surgery, before he
Speaker 4: had surgery. He was like, all right, I'm going to
Speaker 4: be back this year, and so yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4: But like you've seen, the Bengals haven't held up their
Speaker 4: end of the bargain Marlin three without Joe, they've been
Speaker 4: out toward one thirteen to what was it, thirteen to
Speaker 4: thirty seven. I had to count all the garbage time
Speaker 4: points right in my head with three games with Jake Browning,
Speaker 4: and so yeah, I think that that is a huge
Speaker 4: indicator of their plans. They expect Jobert to be back
Speaker 4: this year, but they have to be relevant enough for
Speaker 4: him to come back.
Speaker 1: And you know, when this news broke, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: the Bengals did a deal and they did a deal
Speaker 1: with the division rival, and I was like, yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: it just blew me away. And then I started thinking about, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's Joe Flacco and I you know, from the limited
Speaker 1: Browns games I've watched or saw him play. I went
Speaker 1: back and looked at and it just you know, you're
Speaker 1: looking at the other options. Okay, who else is available
Speaker 1: out there? And we've run the list down. We run
Speaker 1: the list down on our Monday segment of quarterbacks available
Speaker 1: to take over for Jake Browning and this one now
Speaker 1: in retrospect, it just it just felt like my gut
Speaker 1: reaction was, this is like the best chance of all
Speaker 1: the worst options available right for all intents and purposes.
Speaker 1: It's like a closing time look up. You know, you're
Speaker 1: not the best pick of dudes. She seems like a
Speaker 1: really nice person. She might be an axe murderer. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's a temporary arrangement.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. The temporary
Speaker 4: arrangement is the best way to describe it, because you
Speaker 4: bring Joe in here to right the ship and to
Speaker 4: keep the ship at a spot where the other Joe
Speaker 4: can come back. And man, I wish he would have
Speaker 4: started with a two and zero start that Jake Browning
Speaker 4: had because it feels much different three weeks later and
Speaker 4: so and will it be enough, I'm not sure, but
Speaker 4: that's very much what it is. Is, Hey, we need
Speaker 4: a guy who can get the ball to our weapons
Speaker 4: and throw the ball to the right spot right, And
Speaker 4: they believe Joe Blacker can do that clearly, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And get up to speed quickly being in the league
Speaker 1: as long as hea spent I mean he can still
Speaker 1: as you mentioned the biggest thing with Browning is, you know,
Speaker 1: he wasn't sure he's throwing the balls. It's not as
Speaker 1: much physical with with Jake Browning as it is mental, right,
Speaker 1: And and now he's just throwing the ball all over
Speaker 1: the place. Uh, he's a scared dog. And I think also,
Speaker 1: and maybe this is a second thing, is the fact
Speaker 1: that Joe Flacco, this will be the second time in
Speaker 1: four weeks he's played Green Bay. It's like it's almost
Speaker 1: like he's in the NFC North, he's playing for Chicago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, that's right. I think that that is
Speaker 4: a factor though, that the up to up to speed
Speaker 4: part of it, and then the leadership part of it.
Speaker 4: Later today when we hear from Zach Taylor, I know
Speaker 4: they evaluated all these quarterback options and none of us
Speaker 4: really highlighted Flacco too much because of the division part
Speaker 4: of it. And that's what's really surprising. The Bengals trading
Speaker 4: with the Browns. That's never happened. So they made history yesterday,
Speaker 4: and so why and the why is, well, you have
Speaker 4: the arm talent, but it's also the leadership in his football. IQ.
Speaker 4: He's seen everything in the league because he's been in
Speaker 4: the league since I was in high school. Yep, you know.
Speaker 4: And so when you can do that, you have experience.
Speaker 4: He's like a year and a half younger than Zach Taylor,
Speaker 4: and so that's a big difference from twenty eight year
Speaker 4: old Joe Burrow or Jake Browning as well as twenty nine.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think a bunch of factors. But his
Speaker 4: football IQ and leadership are two big reasons why they
Speaker 4: wanted him.
Speaker 1: All right, But Flaco got bench for a reason. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like he was keeping the seat room for
Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel. Like you know, Cleveland fans, Browns fans, and
Speaker 1: the dog pound it bones through it to those eight
Speaker 1: hundred pound men and women weren't screaming for Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 1: This isn't Drake May, right, it's not Russell Wilson turning
Speaker 1: it over to Drake May. This is Dylan Gabriel. And
Speaker 1: we'll get to why. I think this is probably a
Speaker 1: pretty good thing for Cleveland. But flack wan four starts
Speaker 1: the seasons one in three completion rate is fifty eight percent,
Speaker 1: two TV six interceptions his last full season in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: Since twenty seventeen, which is why seven eight years he's
Speaker 1: fourteen and twenty six. Well, okay, you look at that
Speaker 1: and you go, wow, he's our guy. Why all right?
Speaker 4: A couple of things. One, some of those interceptions this
Speaker 4: year are not because I went back and watched, because
Speaker 4: if you look at the numbers, you're right, You're like,
Speaker 4: come on, he's been Jake Browning for the Browns. And
Speaker 4: just think back to Week one. Didn't it feel like
Speaker 4: the Browns let the Bengals off the hook because it
Speaker 4: drops that led to interception? Yep, there really wasn't you know,
Speaker 4: Jerry Judy can cash or Harold Fannings can catch that.
Speaker 4: They were probably having a different conversation when it comes
Speaker 4: to that game. And so I think that his weapon
Speaker 4: let him down at times this year. Last year with Indy, yeah,
Speaker 4: the record was a little lost two and four, but
Speaker 4: he completed nearly sixty five percent of his passes, was
Speaker 4: able to operate that offense. And then the year prior,
Speaker 4: he led the Browns to the playoffs and ap Comeback
Speaker 4: Player of the Year and four and one as a
Speaker 4: starter in the regular season and was a key piece
Speaker 4: and a big reason why they were able to rally
Speaker 4: with Deshaun Watson out. So I think that's what you
Speaker 4: look at is all right, Well, he's been in these
Speaker 4: weird situations, back against the wall situations. This year was
Speaker 4: weird and awkward and clunky from the get go, and
Speaker 4: his weapons put him down. But it is valid. I mean,
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people thought Joe Blacker was
Speaker 4: done years and years ago in twenty nineteen when he
Speaker 4: joined the Denver Broncos. What's twenty twenty five? You know,
Speaker 4: how much does he have? How much can he give?
Speaker 4: Clearly he still wants to play, and in that when
Speaker 4: he sounds Cleveland in the offseason and that's a weird
Speaker 4: situation with two rookie quarterbacks. Fine, well, now you get
Speaker 4: a chance to play here and play for the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's one thing Cleveland doesn't have a shortage
Speaker 1: of his quarterbacks. He is James Rapine from bengalstock dot Com, Lockdown,
Speaker 1: Begels and breaking Down. Of course, the news that the starter,
Speaker 1: presumably on Sunday, is going to be Joe Flacco. Yes,
Speaker 1: that Joe Flacco gotten from the Browns for a six
Speaker 1: round pick. He comes over to take over for a
Speaker 1: dismal Jake Browning, although I'm looking at Flaco's numbers, we're
Speaker 1: talking about that not really all that much better, arguably
Speaker 1: worse in some cases. But I look at this and go, okay,
Speaker 1: so what's the difference between offensive lines? It's not, isn't
Speaker 1: The problem here in Cincinnati is we've often talked about
Speaker 1: not just you know, Joe Burrow covers up a lot
Speaker 1: of mistakes. When there's no Joe Burrow, I don't know
Speaker 1: how many quarterbacks can come in and gloss that over
Speaker 1: as he has now for a number of seasons. You've
Speaker 1: got a bad offensive line, You've got questions of defense,
Speaker 1: play calling. There's a lot of issues that's wrong with
Speaker 1: this team, or at least questionable with this team as
Speaker 1: far as Joe Flacco coming in and getting time to
Speaker 1: do what he does, and that's through the deep ball.
Speaker 1: How to the Browns line offensive line compared to the
Speaker 1: Bengals offensive line.
Speaker 4: I think the Bengals offensive line is certainly worse at
Speaker 4: run blocking because the Bengals have really struggled in that area.
Speaker 4: And that's what I think is going to be interesting,
Speaker 4: is just Joe Flaco does his arm and his arm
Speaker 4: strength open up the deep ball, which will then in turn,
Speaker 4: give the Bengals a chance to run the ball a
Speaker 4: bit more effectively, because they certainly haven't been able to
Speaker 4: do that at any point this year. But I do
Speaker 4: think that the Bengals, from my pass blocking standpoint, might.
Speaker 5: Have the better offensive line.
Speaker 4: Now, can you go the Joe Burrow route and drop
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco back fifty times a game?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 4: I don't think that's realistic, right, But in a true
Speaker 4: pass blocking situation, can they hold up? I do think so.
Speaker 4: Offensive line is a huge shot in the town Scott
Speaker 4: and rightfully so. And they had their failures the other day,
Speaker 4: and they have had their issues throughout the year, but
Speaker 4: I think the past two games they did enough to
Speaker 4: give this Bengals offense a chance and Jake Brownings simply
Speaker 4: did not make the play. Is that we're there, and
Speaker 4: that that's the difference. J is gonna get hit, you
Speaker 4: know everyone's he's gonna get hit. But if he makes
Speaker 4: the plays that are there, I do think that this
Speaker 4: offense will be better, will be more explosive. But yeah,
Speaker 4: that the offensive line is a huge factor here moving forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I look at it and go, well, the other
Speaker 1: factor that we had mentioned, James is the fact he's
Speaker 1: forty years old. I mean, you pocket passer, he can't
Speaker 1: move out of the pocket. We saw Joe be able
Speaker 1: to do that. There's another quarterbacks can do that. He
Speaker 1: is just gonna he's going to be stationary and throw
Speaker 1: the ball. He's not gonna be able to run. So
Speaker 1: I look at that and go, wow, it's not going
Speaker 1: to take much. Then if he's locked in the pocket
Speaker 1: and can't even roll out and extend the play, these
Speaker 1: guys are going to tee off on them. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's impossible that we have a
Speaker 1: sample size a decent one now and how this offensive
Speaker 1: line is blocked, and it's certainly there are plays where
Speaker 1: he's going to have a little bit more time than others,
Speaker 1: and maybe not as being gun shy and broken as
Speaker 1: Jake Browning. But that that concerns me is the fact that,
Speaker 1: all right, well, you the run game is pretty much
Speaker 1: non existent with Chase brown We're a run game in
Speaker 1: the NFL. We don't have to worry about the run
Speaker 1: with this team. And now we're gonna now we're going
Speaker 1: to target the quarterback and try and take away everything downfield.
Speaker 1: From that seems like a fairly easy task base what
Speaker 1: I've seen for the first number of games with this team.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, you turn the ball
Speaker 1: over to the defense and say what you will about
Speaker 1: the Bengals, you know, kind of mid defense. Brown's had
Speaker 1: one of the best defenses in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: So they're going to get the ball back to the quarterback,
Speaker 1: their quarterback more than the Bengals are doing. What am
Speaker 1: I missing here?
Speaker 4: I totally agree there. You're not missing anything when it
Speaker 4: comes to that, and I think it's twofold one. The
Speaker 4: Bengals they're set up to win games because of their weapons,
Speaker 4: and so they felt like obviously Jake wasn't getting in
Speaker 4: outside of their weapon to have a chance. So there's
Speaker 4: one two. You're right, their defense is not going to
Speaker 4: win them games. It's not for that there. That wasn't
Speaker 4: the expectation coming into the year. Remember how many how
Speaker 4: many times did you hear a Hawks the defense is
Speaker 4: just average, right? I mean that was such a thought.
Speaker 4: And then Joe Burrogh goes down the offense stinct and
Speaker 4: everything feels differently, So, uh, look, this offense is going
Speaker 4: to have to score points. I also think when you
Speaker 4: talk about the time to throw. This is where Zach
Speaker 4: Taylor comes in. Pressures on Zach now because they went
Speaker 4: and they got a quarterback in mid year. And I
Speaker 4: get it. He's not the he's not the Jill everybody wants,
Speaker 4: but he's still capable. And so now, can can he
Speaker 4: give Joe Flacco enough answers offensively, quick game offensively to
Speaker 4: set up the play action stuff and the deep pats
Speaker 4: in the explosive offense and he do what we've seen
Speaker 4: from some of these other offensive line as head coaches
Speaker 4: for their backup quarterbacks. That's that's what I look at,
Speaker 4: and that's where I say, all right, well, let's see
Speaker 4: what Dak can do with a guy that that clearly
Speaker 4: still has a live enough arm to get the ball
Speaker 4: to their weapons. So I think that there's some some
Speaker 4: pressure on Zach Taylor here as well, following this move
Speaker 4: in this trade for Joe.
Speaker 1: Blackouh forwards Micah Parsons, Rashan Gary go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, and a Marius Menz Orlando Brown Jr.
Speaker 1: You know it's uh oh boy.
Speaker 4: Right, And and Joe Blacker had to see this first
Speaker 4: time a few weeks ago, and it was tough on
Speaker 4: the I mean they should have lost that game, and
Speaker 4: the Browns bought tooth and nail and found a way
Speaker 4: to win. And Joe Flaco made a few nice throws
Speaker 4: in that game, twenty one thirty six passes, about forty
Speaker 4: two had an interception, no touchdowns. But yeah, it's it's
Speaker 4: a tough ask. There's a tough ask to say, Hey, Joe,
Speaker 4: we we traded for you, and five days later, we
Speaker 4: want you to go up against Micah Parsons on the
Speaker 4: road at Lambo.
Speaker 1: And boy, here's the here's the thing, right, because you're
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of comparisons in the broadcast, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure Dan and Lapple do the same thing. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, Cleveland goes to greenit beats him, and it
Speaker 1: was Joe Flacco orchestra and this whole thing. And if
Speaker 1: they come out and look as bad or as close
Speaker 1: to as bad as they did against the Lions and
Speaker 1: in previous games, it's going to turn towards Zach Titter
Speaker 1: pretty quickly, is it not?
Speaker 4: It certainly could now Really one clarification that game was
Speaker 4: in Cleveland, it was not at Lambla.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, your.
Speaker 4: Point's still the same, though you need to have a
Speaker 4: good showing. You've been outscored one thirteen to thirty seven
Speaker 4: over the past three games if you take out garbage
Speaker 4: time touchdowns one thirteen to nine when the game was
Speaker 4: on the line, essentially, So it's, uh, it's it's just
Speaker 4: really tough.
Speaker 1: Plus you're gonna play with a very small playbook too.
Speaker 1: It's not like they're going to come in and you know,
Speaker 1: they got to blow everything up and go with a
Speaker 1: real fairly basic playbook, I guess for Joe Flacco, right,
Speaker 1: or maybe more than more so than a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, there's there's only so much you
Speaker 1: can learn in what two days, three days?
Speaker 4: There is there is. But what I would say, sometimes
Speaker 4: simple is what makes sense. Brown. Well, I just watched
Speaker 4: Jake Brown and throw the ball and miss Chinsley when
Speaker 4: he had a wide oven Jamar Chase run across his
Speaker 4: face against the Broncos with the games still hanging in
Speaker 4: the balance, and like those those easy plays, like if
Speaker 4: Joe Flacker can make those easy leads and those easy plays,
Speaker 4: well that should lead to points on offense, we'll lead
Speaker 4: to wins. I don't know, but there were a lot
Speaker 4: of simple and basic plays that Jake brown just was
Speaker 4: not seeing and left on the field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and not to say, you know, all negative
Speaker 1: is that he's going to die. And and there's a
Speaker 1: good chance we may see Jake Browning again. James correct,
Speaker 1: there's a good chance.
Speaker 4: I mean, you cannot lose lose Jake Browning. You got
Speaker 4: to keep him, to keep him, You've got to keep
Speaker 4: him dialed in, you got to keep him.
Speaker 1: I agree with imagine we lose our second Joe to
Speaker 1: turf toe? Could you imagine that's two Joe's two toes?
Speaker 1: Be unbelievable, the most Bengel thing of all time. But
Speaker 1: you know, and and to not say it's the glass
Speaker 1: is completely empty at this point that the Bendal said
Speaker 1: to do is that the AFC North is a team
Speaker 1: of I mean, you can get there. At this point,
Speaker 1: it feels like it's only gonna be eight nine wins.
Speaker 1: Look at the parody, especially AFC right now, it's anyone's
Speaker 1: anyone's title to grab.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's the other element here is we've seen
Speaker 4: how quickly it can change for the Ravens, for the Bengals.
Speaker 4: What if it changes for the Steelers. They have a
Speaker 4: forty one year old quarterback to get mood that doesn't
Speaker 4: get hit. Yep, you know, And so it can change
Speaker 4: in a hurry. You have the Steelers on the schedule
Speaker 4: coming to town next week, and so yeah, you're in
Speaker 4: the second place right now in the North, as weird
Speaker 4: as it sounds. So let's see if you can piece
Speaker 4: together a couple of wins here and hang around and
Speaker 4: see where you're at it in a few weeks.
Speaker 1: Hey, at least they're doing something. I mean, it may
Speaker 1: not be that good, the best, as I said, it's
Speaker 1: the best option, the best chance of all the worst
Speaker 1: options available. It's closing time, and you got to go
Speaker 1: with somebody. It's Joe Flacco. We'll go to Joe too.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And now he's played for every team in the division
Speaker 1: except for Pittsburgh possibly, who knows what stranger things may happen. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he's James Rapine of this odd But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it's like, why the Bengals did something
Speaker 1: is to show you just what our expectation levels. It
Speaker 1: felt like, Okay, they went and got a name, you
Speaker 1: know what, All right, good for them?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. I hope he's hope he's fun to watch,
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, a couple of weeks ago when I
Speaker 4: mentioned quarterback, I kind of got laughed at the fact
Speaker 4: that we're here now. It says a lot about Jake Browning,
Speaker 4: says a lot about where the Bengals feel they are right.
Speaker 1: And and not knowing Jake Browning was going to be
Speaker 1: that bad. I think that is also, you know, again,
Speaker 1: part of the narrative when you look at Zach because
Speaker 1: if this thing goes south on Sunday, then it's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: and then you got a quarterback that's won a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl and you still can't do anything. And now that
Speaker 1: that square gets the circle, it's tighter and tighter around
Speaker 1: around Zack Town and the coaching staff.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: He's James for Peen, a busy man over at Sports
Speaker 1: Illustrated Bengals Talk dot com lockdow on Bengals jumps on
Speaker 1: our show every Monday morning, Uh to chop up the
Speaker 1: game and uh, of course when quarterbacks break in, he
Speaker 1: breaks out, James, Thanks, appreciate it. Thanks, I appreciate you
Speaker 1: all the best, and we'll get to a news update here. Uh,
Speaker 1: it does make you want to watch and go Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll want to watch that. Hell yeah, gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: see that. You'd watch Jake Browning or listen to Jake
Speaker 1: brown and go, Okay, well I got other stuff did
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut the grass. I'm gonna go h yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I'll get some yardwork done now because
Speaker 1: this game's over and it's like, you know, midway through
Speaker 1: the first quarter now with Joe Flacco, bad different story,
Speaker 1: they did something. It's something Sloaney seven hundred ww helping
Speaker 1: you put the big P in profession. Here's our career,
Speaker 1: Sir Julie Balki.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Every Wednesday morning, Julie jumps in with current advice and
Speaker 1: news and what's happen in the headlines and what may
Speaker 1: be happening to you behind the scenes and the like,
Speaker 1: and she joins the show again on this beautiful Wednesday morning.
Speaker 1: Did discuss Julie, We've on the past talked about, hey,
Speaker 1: being prepared and laying make sure your networked and getting
Speaker 1: on LinkedIn and what to do and have your resume
Speaker 1: ready and where to go and all those things and
Speaker 1: getting ready for the event you decide you've had enough
Speaker 1: and it's like you want to pivot and do something else,
Speaker 1: or go somewhere else and take your talents elsewhere across
Speaker 1: the street, or start your own thing. We talk about
Speaker 1: that fairly regularly. Very rarely we talk about losing your
Speaker 1: employment and being completely blindsided by because that does happen.
Speaker 1: It just happened. We see companies, large, medium and small
Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, things are going great, I'm doing
Speaker 1: everything I can, I'm doing the best I can, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it's like, hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: It's just a line on a piece of paper and
Speaker 1: it's about keeping the light. Time just happened to my
Speaker 1: sister in law, as a matter of fact, working in
Speaker 1: the food service sector. She was a regional running a
Speaker 1: number of I don't want to say the company, but
Speaker 1: they involved desserts and cookie fashion and everything was great
Speaker 1: until they said, hey, listen, you know what, we're upside
Speaker 1: down on the numbers. You got to go and did
Speaker 1: not see this coming out. All happens all the time,
Speaker 1: yet we don't talk about it all that much, and
Speaker 1: so in hindsight's always twenty twenty, and once it happens
Speaker 1: to you, it feels like it's too late to do anything.
Speaker 1: About that situation. You can improve it for the future,
Speaker 1: but what about right now?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we've talked, like you said, we've talked
Speaker 6: about this often, and you've heard me say often be
Speaker 6: ready to say, be ready to go, And I think
Speaker 6: it's again, it's just it's me pleading with people to
Speaker 6: think that way. But we know that most of us don't,
Speaker 6: especially if we know we're performing well, if our results
Speaker 6: are good, if we know that we are respected, it's
Speaker 6: very easy to fall into the it's not going to
Speaker 6: happen to me, and it doesn't.
Speaker 4: And it used to be back in the.
Speaker 6: Nineties and all these big layoffs started happening, it was
Speaker 6: really just people who were underperforming. But we've seen the
Speaker 6: last fifteen twenty years, especially in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 6: people who are performing, who have great stories, great stats,
Speaker 6: are indeed impacted. And it's become so common that even
Speaker 6: the process of reference checking is less because it used
Speaker 6: to be if you got let go, you weren't doing
Speaker 6: a good job, your companies want to check up on you.
Speaker 5: But now it's so many.
Speaker 6: Really good people have been let go. And here is
Speaker 6: when I look at the danger zone, when it comes
Speaker 6: to how you might screw up your job search right
Speaker 6: away at the beginning. It's right now, because if you've
Speaker 6: been told let's say yesterday or last week, don't come
Speaker 6: back tomorrow, and it is truly a shock to your system.
Speaker 6: The first thing we want to do as humans is
Speaker 6: feel better about ourselves.
Speaker 5: Is to believe that we were.
Speaker 4: Not doing anything wrong.
Speaker 6: So what do we do.
Speaker 5: We pick up the phone, we start calling people.
Speaker 4: Can you believe it?
Speaker 6: And it ain't probably pretty the conversation. And so what
Speaker 6: we're doing is we're trying to make ourselves feel better.
Speaker 6: And so the what I tell people is if you've
Speaker 6: can dealt this blow, the most best thing you can
Speaker 6: do is take a step back, take a breath, process
Speaker 6: through your emotions with family or extremely close friends. You
Speaker 6: don't need and do not get out there and blast
Speaker 6: your organization in any way, shape or form. I see
Speaker 6: that happen on social media, and I cringe because I
Speaker 6: think all you're doing is showing how you handle adversity.
Speaker 6: And so when it's so, the best thing to do
Speaker 6: when you are blindsided is acknowledge I did not see
Speaker 6: this coming. I need to process this. I need to
Speaker 6: take a breath, I need to pull the covers over
Speaker 6: my head. You don't have to do this for a
Speaker 6: very long time, but you do have to at least
Speaker 6: do it, I would say, for a few days to
Speaker 6: get to to really catch your breath and start thinking about, Okay,
Speaker 6: how can I turn this this these lemons and lemonade.
Speaker 6: It doesn't mean that after three days of you know,
Speaker 6: binge watching stupid TV, you're you're over it and you're
Speaker 6: ready to move on.
Speaker 5: It is a process.
Speaker 6: Losing your job is one of the top three life
Speaker 6: stressors that we have, right up there with divorce.
Speaker 4: And loss of a spouse.
Speaker 6: And so I think, you know, it's easy to well,
Speaker 6: it's just work, It's just a job. Why am I
Speaker 6: self said it's just a job. No, For many of us,
Speaker 6: it's our identity, even if we hated it, even if
Speaker 6: we were miserable. Having somebody else make that decision for
Speaker 6: us feels really, really bad. And so you've got to
Speaker 6: acknowledge that and allow yourself time to process it before
Speaker 6: you put your head up and start thinking.
Speaker 5: About what's next.
Speaker 1: And ad is some sage advice there, because normally you
Speaker 1: want to snap me a call all your co workers
Speaker 1: can can you believe and engage in gossip and have
Speaker 1: the pity party for you because it's all about you
Speaker 1: and that's so enticing, but that goes against better judgment.
Speaker 1: Of course should win in this case, and that is, hey,
Speaker 1: listen nothing, I'll talk to you at some point, but
Speaker 1: I need a couple of days. I need some time
Speaker 1: just to process this. And then, you know, put your
Speaker 1: phone on no notifications and silent, don't answer the phone,
Speaker 1: and just let it go to voicemail, and just kind
Speaker 1: of process stuff for a couple of days. That's some
Speaker 1: really really good advice because it's just easy to go
Speaker 1: and you know, and then you'll be empowered with all
Speaker 1: the people saying you got screwed, and then feel and
Speaker 1: go do something stupid.
Speaker 6: Exactly exactly, and you will just know this job locks
Speaker 6: is a huge emotional rollercoaster, so you will I know
Speaker 6: people who have felt the first emotion I felt was relief. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm unhappy with that anyway, that after several days or
Speaker 6: a week or two, they were angry. Yeah, and then
Speaker 6: wait a minute, why am I angry?
Speaker 7: I didn't like that job?
Speaker 6: And then maybe you go into sadness and then release again.
Speaker 6: And so it really is the stage of the grief,
Speaker 6: experiencing it sometimes all in a day or two. And
Speaker 6: what I also see a lot of times is with
Speaker 6: your partner, your spouse, the people who are closer to you,
Speaker 6: they're angrier than you are because they can't do anything
Speaker 6: about it. They're upset that this was done to their
Speaker 6: loved ones. And so make sure that you are communicating
Speaker 6: openly with the people around you and saying, you know what, yes,
Speaker 6: this was not this is not my choice. There's a
Speaker 6: lot of budgetary things going on, or we've been acquired
Speaker 6: by another company or whatever it is, and so it's
Speaker 6: gonna it's going to happen to someone, and it happened
Speaker 6: to me. I'll be okay and I will be ready
Speaker 6: to accept help soon.
Speaker 5: But for now, you know, I just need events.
Speaker 1: I need to process.
Speaker 6: And you might vent with someone else, or you might
Speaker 6: vent with the covers pulled over your heads.
Speaker 1: And it's different for everyone, is which And I've been
Speaker 1: through it before, not and for a long time, but
Speaker 1: I've been through it, and it is it's like a
Speaker 1: it's like stages of grief really. I mean, it's the
Speaker 1: shock initially and then it's like, well, this is stupid.
Speaker 1: They'll call me back because they can't live without me,
Speaker 1: and then you realize, wow, they can. Then you can
Speaker 1: angry about the situation, and then you become well, maybe
Speaker 1: it's me and I'm useless and I have no one
Speaker 1: nothing to offer anyone else, and you go throw these
Speaker 1: different stages, and then complacency after a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: and the people at work stop calling you because while
Speaker 1: they're going on with their lives, their work lives.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: And you're not part of the daily gossip chain anymore.
Speaker 1: And you may have a friend or two still that
Speaker 1: contacts you, but that'll become few and far between, and
Speaker 1: and that's what life looks like. And eventually you feel
Speaker 1: like you're in a desert island and you're kind of like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Tom Hanks and castaway and you're laying on
Speaker 1: a shore waiting for the for the seagulls to peck
Speaker 1: your eyeballs out. And then things turn around, and often,
Speaker 1: as I found out, things turn out for the better.
Speaker 1: That there's opportunities out there you don't foresee, and those
Speaker 1: doors open when another closes. It's so true. But the
Speaker 1: immediacy of the shock and the horror of it all,
Speaker 1: and then I'm not even including things like healthcare and money, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at these furloughed federal workers that tomorrow's
Speaker 1: their last check. And then there's stories coming out of
Speaker 1: the White House that we may not pay you even
Speaker 1: when you come back and you still have a job.
Speaker 1: So these are uncertain times. I just yesterday at eleven
Speaker 1: thirty five. Every Tuesday, I have our buddy Andy Schaffer
Speaker 1: on from all Worth Financial. I mentioned the fact that
Speaker 1: Fifth Third is acquired co America Bank out of Dallas
Speaker 1: for eleventy billion dollars, and I said, okay, they said
Speaker 1: everyone's job is safe right now. How soon before people
Speaker 1: get started to get thrown out the window? And that's
Speaker 1: going to happen because you know, hey, will you do
Speaker 1: the same job as this person in Dallas, or the
Speaker 1: person in Dallas does the same job as a person
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati's overlap. People are gonna lose their jobs eventually.
Speaker 1: That always happens. They tell you it's not going to
Speaker 1: and you go, no, no, no, no, we need you,
Speaker 1: We need you to keep things going until we don't
Speaker 1: need you anymore, and that will happen at some point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in the minute, let's say, let's say in this situation.
Speaker 6: Would I tell every single Co America employee is be
Speaker 6: ready to say you're ready to go? Yes, you want
Speaker 6: to see is there a place for me? It's justif
Speaker 6: third that might feel really good and might really use
Speaker 6: my skills. But if not, or I find that it's
Speaker 6: not a culture fit or whatever it is, whatever they
Speaker 6: want me to do, I don't want to do. You
Speaker 6: have to be ready to.
Speaker 5: Begin a job search.
Speaker 6: And so that blind loyalty of the company is looking
Speaker 6: out for me is not only not a thing, but
Speaker 6: it's never been a thing. As much as we want
Speaker 6: to tell ourselves that it exists, it doesn't. It is
Speaker 6: in the company's interest to have you believe that they.
Speaker 1: Are being loyal to you, and they want to play
Speaker 1: up the whole Hey, we're your family and your work
Speaker 1: family and everything else. And then I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I you know, I sometimes disagree. Fortunately for us, I've
Speaker 1: got a really good relationship with everyone in my family.
Speaker 1: You know, we may have disagreements or a little thing,
Speaker 1: and flare ups happen from time to time, but the
Speaker 1: end of the day, we love it. You don't have
Speaker 1: that your business. It's a business relationship. But conflating that
Speaker 1: with family.
Speaker 8: I've got a real family, yes, exactly, exactly, And it
Speaker 8: can feel when even if it's a privately held business
Speaker 8: and there are family members in the company, if you
Speaker 8: don't have that last.
Speaker 6: Name or honor in that family treat bingo, you aren't
Speaker 6: want to be treated as such. I don't care if
Speaker 6: you baby, that's the founder's kids, it's you know, it's
Speaker 6: just it's just, you know, I beat my head against
Speaker 6: the wall on this because it's just people who want
Speaker 6: to believe that they're that they're safe, that they're going
Speaker 6: to be fine, and it's I guess that's a real
Speaker 6: human nature, but we.
Speaker 1: Have evidence it's not that way anymore.
Speaker 5: To the contrary, you're not that subtle.
Speaker 1: The only organization I can think that still operates that
Speaker 1: would be our football team, Julie, where there's family and
Speaker 1: there's loyalty and it's a family business. Once you're in,
Speaker 1: you're never going to get fired. She's Julie Balki our
Speaker 1: career shirt, but she pops on every Wednesday. Today we're
Speaker 1: talking about unexpected job loss. We often talk about getting
Speaker 1: ready and getting prepared and you know, making sure everything's
Speaker 1: up to date. In your networking group, and what's the
Speaker 1: next step, and can your side hustle turned into a
Speaker 1: full time job. And that's a great dream for a
Speaker 1: lot of people, but in reality, sometimes you know what,
Speaker 1: you wind up loosening your job in these times for
Speaker 1: no reason whatsoever. And I think that's the thing. We
Speaker 1: tip so much of our self worth, Julie, because a
Speaker 1: lot of this is mental. We should talk to the
Speaker 1: other Jewelie about the Julie hattersh your mental health. Mondays
Speaker 1: about this and that we tie a lot our self
Speaker 1: worth up in what we do for a living, and
Speaker 1: when that goes away, we're thrown in a turmoil. If
Speaker 1: you identify for what your your value and your worth
Speaker 1: and how much you make and who you what you
Speaker 1: do to make that money, I think you're setting yourself
Speaker 1: up for problems because at some point, unless you own
Speaker 1: the company, the chances are, at some point they're going
Speaker 1: to go yesterday, we couldn't live without you. Today, we're
Speaker 1: going to start trying. When that happens, you're in for
Speaker 1: a while. The literally, the earth, the seas, and the
Speaker 1: sky have just swallowed you up.
Speaker 6: So are we saying that Joe Blackhoe should not look
Speaker 6: into change.
Speaker 1: I'm saying is, you know, he's forty years old, he's
Speaker 1: made a great career in the second half of his career,
Speaker 1: ought to be in a backup quarterback. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: got a super Bowl ring, he achieved the ultimate dream,
Speaker 1: he's got a got a Lombardi Trophy with the Ravens.
Speaker 1: And you know, since I think in the past what
Speaker 1: seven or eight years, it hasn't been so good for
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco. But he's still making NFL money, he's still
Speaker 1: getting signed, so good for him. Maybe it's good for Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he keeps landing on his feet.
Speaker 1: So for Joe Flacco's case, like I thought, I've played
Speaker 1: myself out of a job and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden the Bengals come knocking. So there's some inspiration there.
Speaker 6: Well, we think about really in major league sports, you
Speaker 6: can be on the mound one day and at the
Speaker 6: end of it and pulled off the mound and be
Speaker 6: on a bus or a plane to another team that night.
Speaker 6: So they understand. They understood that it's not personal because
Speaker 6: that's how their profession operates. It doesn't mean that trans
Speaker 6: isn't hard, because it is always hard because you build relationships.
Speaker 6: But we can take a page out of that playbook.
Speaker 6: You will be around until it is no longer useful
Speaker 6: for us to have you around.
Speaker 1: And you know what, that is such a great comparative,
Speaker 1: Julie Buck. This is why you're awesome about what you do.
Speaker 3: That is so true.
Speaker 1: Mean of all the occupations, you know, being a professional athlete,
Speaker 1: they know, hey, listen, if someone better comes along, someone younger,
Speaker 1: that that flash is better than I do. My job's over.
Speaker 1: I got to be sharp every time I get out
Speaker 1: there and perform, perform, perform, And when it happens, almost always,
Speaker 1: there's no animosity. It's like, okay, what do I need
Speaker 1: to know? Okay, well, here's your ticket. You're gonna go.
Speaker 1: We treated it to Cincinnati from Cleveland. Okay, Hey, good
Speaker 1: luck to see you later. Thanks, Joe, take care, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll see you great. And there's no crying and calling
Speaker 1: your friends and crying and complaining and you know, throwing.
Speaker 1: It's like they just go and they do the next thing. Now,
Speaker 1: same thing when someone gets released, you know, at crany camp,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh man, I thought I made the team,
Speaker 1: or like yeah, I made the team every year and
Speaker 1: now I don't make the team, and now I'm out
Speaker 1: of a job and I'm looking at it. But that's
Speaker 1: the we accept. Why do we accept that in in
Speaker 1: regular business and regular work because it's been that way
Speaker 1: for a long time. It's nothing new. It's been going
Speaker 1: on the same way for a long time. And you know,
Speaker 1: professional athletes are coddled, they're treated special people. And we
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Speaker 6: That's a great point, you know, when when most professional athletes,
Speaker 6: we don't. We don't generally you'll see when someone gets cut,
Speaker 6: when you see the social media chatter, Oh they'll be fine,
Speaker 6: you know they're when a see same with the CEO,
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Speaker 6: I see Gen X and Boomers were raised in a
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Speaker 1: here you will be will let's do a quick time out.
Speaker 1: We'll get news in the picture and then we'll chat
Speaker 1: with the chair that I said, the chairperson for the
Speaker 1: Committee for Infrastructure the City Cincinnati. It's Climate Environment infratructure.
Speaker 1: She is councilmember Mika Owens. We'll be in to talk
Speaker 1: about owed out the Brent Spence Bridge. It's rolling as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, they're doing site work as we
Speaker 1: speak for the Brench Spence Bridge corridor and only by
Speaker 1: the way, they got about sixty percent of the bridge
Speaker 1: complete as far as the design goes, Well, what's going
Speaker 1: to go to the other forty percent, what to expect
Speaker 1: once they start digging, and what that looks like for
Speaker 1: traffic and congestion on the city streets, which only what
Speaker 1: now almost a year ago, we had the big mac
Speaker 1: Bridge closure which led to traffic gridlock. Are we expecting
Speaker 1: more of the same downtown?
Speaker 2: What to make of it?
Speaker 1: Mika's next on The Scott's Loan Show seven hundred WWD Cincinnati.
Speaker 5: You don't want to be an American Scott's.
Speaker 1: Loan Back at the Big One seven hundred WLW. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: O doocs sitting down in front of Cincinnati City Council
Speaker 1: getting grilled on the three point only six billion I
Speaker 1: said billion of the beat Brent Spence Bridge and Brent
Speaker 1: Spence Bridge Quarter project. We're going to kick this thing
Speaker 1: off early next year. That kind of adjusted the timeline somewhat.
Speaker 1: Mika Owens is here, Council member Mika Owens who sits
Speaker 1: on the Climate, Environment and Infrastructure Committee, answering all the
Speaker 1: tough questions. Mika, welcome back. How's life? How are you?
Speaker 7: Life is great? Thank you Bat for having me. And
Speaker 7: it's always exciting to talk about big infrastructure projects that
Speaker 7: are going to improve our region and so odak coming
Speaker 7: to by the way, I chair the Climate, Environment and
Speaker 7: Infrastructure Committee, but it was great to have them yesterday,
Speaker 7: and I think it was a good conversation. Yes, we
Speaker 7: did ask some good questions, and so I think people
Speaker 7: will be proud, you know, a decade from now when
Speaker 7: we look at this marvel of a bridge.
Speaker 1: Oh hell, it's a long time coming. I mean when
Speaker 1: we started complaining about I think how bad the Brent
Speaker 1: Spence Bridge was before you were born, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like it's been go going on for
Speaker 1: a long long time and it's a line overdue. So
Speaker 1: about sixty percent of the design is complete. So what's
Speaker 1: up in the air about that other forty percent?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 7: Yeah, So the process in which they are using to
Speaker 7: design this bridge is called a design built process, and
Speaker 7: so it allows for iteration along the way. It's really
Speaker 7: a very thoughtful and methodical way of getting to the
Speaker 7: best products. And so you know, we'll continue to get
Speaker 7: to the one hundred percent soon, but this fall we're
Speaker 7: planning to have sixty percent of it complete. I will
Speaker 7: also say that, yes, thank you to you know, the
Speaker 7: Biden administration, this current administration with making sure that we
Speaker 7: are continuing to move this project forward. I mean, this
Speaker 7: is truly an example of what collaboration amongst government looks like.
Speaker 7: No matter what the party affiliation is, this certainly couldn't
Speaker 7: happen without the federal government, both administrations, the current and
Speaker 7: the previous, the state government and so Governor the Wine
Speaker 7: has been a thoughtful partner in this and of course
Speaker 7: as a local decision maker and with ODACS.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to bring you up to speed on this
Speaker 1: as you listen with the Burnt Spence Bridge project, is
Speaker 1: we mentioned the three point six billion dollar total cost,
Speaker 1: which includes substantial money from the city to count Eyone
Speaker 1: else's we're gonna get a companion bridge that's west of
Speaker 1: the existing Brunt Spence Bridge. So let's take the bridge now,
Speaker 1: the Brunt Spence Bridge that we know and hate, and
Speaker 1: they will take that from four lanes down to three,
Speaker 1: so you'll actually have emergency lane and break down lane
Speaker 1: because we've seen some while people die as a result
Speaker 1: of not having that. In this whole project's going to
Speaker 1: stretch about eight miles from the Western Hills Viaduct to
Speaker 1: Dixie Highway in northern Kentucky and take a tremendous amount
Speaker 1: of work to get done. It's gonna take years and
Speaker 1: years and years. And that is the bird's eye view
Speaker 1: of this project here and reshaping what that quarter looks
Speaker 1: like from seventy five down the western hills, so through
Speaker 1: the viaduct, and of course a viaduct is seeing a
Speaker 1: redo as well too. It's interesting I heard some of
Speaker 1: the conversation yesterday Mika about how they're going to try
Speaker 1: to limit the impact on drivers and engage barges and
Speaker 1: bringing material in, which is a great idea.
Speaker 7: Certainly, certainly, you know, I think the thoughtfulness around are
Speaker 7: not only the design, but also the supply in which
Speaker 7: we will have. You know, this where the still comes from.
Speaker 7: So these are all going to be good, good questions
Speaker 7: that will have answers to I think in the beginning
Speaker 7: of twenty twenty six, if not very late in this year,
Speaker 7: but certainly thinking about you know, traffic flow and impact
Speaker 7: to drivers. You know, we're hearing the concerns around environmental
Speaker 7: impact and certainly, you know, if can you be thoughtful
Speaker 7: about those things. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 7: moving people is better than being idle, and certainly, as
Speaker 7: this bridge continues to get built and expanded lanes on
Speaker 7: the huge bridge, you know it'll help people loose quicker,
Speaker 7: and it'll also be very thoughtful about how people make
Speaker 7: decisions from the bridge to get to downtown or to
Speaker 7: get to seventy one, and so I think it's going
Speaker 7: to be a real feat of engineering for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean we're going to see a lot of cranes
Speaker 1: along the riverfront, that's for sure. And to get this
Speaker 1: thing as quickly as possible. It could be cranes and
Speaker 1: barges all over the place, but getting the barges and
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good idea. I wonder what that does
Speaker 1: with surface transportation on the Ohio River. But it's not
Speaker 1: the first project someone's done of this scale. I guess
Speaker 1: in other areas of the country they know how to
Speaker 1: do this and navigate this. She's Mika Owen's council member,
Speaker 1: chair of Climate, Environment and Infrastructure, and yesterday met with
Speaker 1: ODT regarding the Brent Spence Bridge projects, which is set
Speaker 1: to kick off early next year. So in the cold
Speaker 1: winter months they'll get busy. Getting busy one of the
Speaker 1: things one of the things we heard too, Mika. And
Speaker 1: because also this is an addition to infrastructure, it's also
Speaker 1: climate environment. You heard from people who showed up community
Speaker 1: input that we're concerned about I don't know, opposition from
Speaker 1: from an environmental groups and transit advocate. They worry about
Speaker 1: you increased traffic and air pollution, and this is going
Speaker 1: to disproportionately affect black and brown residents in the West
Speaker 1: End in Queens Gaden. We can't do this. To me,
Speaker 1: that's not really a reason to stop the project. It
Speaker 1: seems to me, if you're stuck on the Brent spinch Bridge,
Speaker 1: as people often are in the morning and afternoon commute
Speaker 1: several days a week, if not every day during the week,
Speaker 1: don't we have a hell of a lot of pollution
Speaker 1: from the cars and trucks that are sitting there idly.
Speaker 7: That is true, and so which is why moving people
Speaker 7: significantly faster and more efficiently it's going to be so important.
Speaker 7: But you know, we don't want to, you know, just
Speaker 7: throw away the concerns of people who know the climate
Speaker 7: work that we're doing in Cincinnati. And so I think
Speaker 7: at the end of the day, this has been a
Speaker 7: thoughtful partnership between the federal government, state and here we
Speaker 7: are in Cincinnati, and if there were any major concerns
Speaker 7: about environment polution, I believe and thee would, if they
Speaker 7: believe an environmental impact statement was necessary, would definitely be
Speaker 7: working on that. So we'll continue to have thoughtful conversations
Speaker 7: but I do want to talk about the job impact
Speaker 7: of this process.
Speaker 1: Please do, because I think that is that was gonna dovetail.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, is okay, we're concerned about
Speaker 1: black and brown populations and air pollution which we have.
Speaker 1: If you're sitting on the bridge now and not doing
Speaker 1: anything makes it worse, not better. This is at least
Speaker 1: the pollution during construction will be temporary for a long
Speaker 1: term fix. But one of the concerns. And as the
Speaker 1: economy gets worse and worse, and money becomes scarcer and scarcer,
Speaker 1: and inflation goes up, and you know, jobs are strong.
Speaker 1: It's not good right now. It's not awful, but it's
Speaker 1: not good and it's not trending in the right direction
Speaker 1: when it comes to employment. And like the fact, the
Speaker 1: matter is, people need jobs. And I've been a long
Speaker 1: time advocate for the construction community. We have jobs out
Speaker 1: there that will change your life, will change the trajectory
Speaker 1: of your family. It addresses generational poverty. And all you
Speaker 1: have to do is show up. They'll pay for you
Speaker 1: to learn, they'll say for your tools. They'll get you there,
Speaker 1: they'll get you home. You can make a great life
Speaker 1: by working in the construction trades, and there's countless jobs
Speaker 1: available on this particular bridge in your backyard. I don't
Speaker 1: feel like enough is said about workforce development here.
Speaker 7: I know, I know, this is what This is the
Speaker 7: most exciting aspect of this project. First of all, we
Speaker 7: have to recognize that almost a billion dollars worth of
Speaker 7: freight comes across the Bridgetent Bridge every single day from
Speaker 7: Miami to the Canadian border. We also have to recognize
Speaker 7: CBG is one of the largest cargo airports in North America.
Speaker 7: It's the seventh largest, and it's the twentieth largest in
Speaker 7: the world. And that connectivity just based on the moving
Speaker 7: of goods is so critical.
Speaker 5: So this bridge, this.
Speaker 7: Project is going to require six million work hours, seven
Speaker 7: hundred of folks that will need to be the boots
Speaker 7: on the ground using their hands to construct this bridge,
Speaker 7: sixty more than sixty sub contractor packages. And so yes,
Speaker 7: the workforce development implication is so real. And so the
Speaker 7: investments that we made are are local labor unions with
Speaker 7: the urban leagues creating that building our futures program, helping
Speaker 7: people move into apprenticeship and really get great jobs after
Speaker 7: graduating from that. We're talking about living wage jobs, you know,
Speaker 7: Soviet six dollars an hour, and so there has to
Speaker 7: be a great movement of migrating people into this workforce infrastructure.
Speaker 7: Because when we also think about and you made great
Speaker 7: points around you know, economics and people earning money and
Speaker 7: having money in their pocket to pay for the food
Speaker 7: on the people and a roof over their heads. You know,
Speaker 7: moving young people in these forces of professions is going
Speaker 7: to be so key for not only Cincinnati but this region.
Speaker 7: And when we think about the jobs of the future,
Speaker 7: some of which might might be more technology driven. When
Speaker 7: we think about AI, it's working with your hands that
Speaker 7: will always be valuable. And so I'm really excited about
Speaker 7: the opportunities that we can create for people and young
Speaker 7: people with justice projects alone.
Speaker 1: And there are countless jobs available. That's part of the problem.
Speaker 1: It's not like it's going away and demand. Everyone talks
Speaker 1: about there's no good jobs and why do we have crime? Well,
Speaker 1: I can't when I'm going to work in fast food
Speaker 1: and not make any money and I can go on
Speaker 1: the street and hustle, and I know it's not good,
Speaker 1: but it's something we have. These we need to push
Speaker 1: more people into these things. And it's got to be.
Speaker 1: We got to be more vocal about demanding that Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we've got a job. We've got a career for over here.
Speaker 1: It's hard work. It's not like it was, you know,
Speaker 1: one hundred years ago, where you're sitting on top of
Speaker 1: a I don't know, a beam that's being swung by
Speaker 1: a crane, eating your lunch like they did during the depression.
Speaker 1: It's much safer now we have, right, we have oceans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're talking making like forty bucks an hour. I mean
Speaker 1: you're going to be making six figures easy with overtime.
Speaker 1: That's life changing.
Speaker 4: That that.
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about generation poverty all the time,
Speaker 1: meek in Cincinnati, in the community, in black and brown community.
Speaker 1: This addresses that.
Speaker 7: This certainly does. And I will think that, you know,
Speaker 7: this is one of the things I get most excited
Speaker 7: about what you think about. Excuse me being back into
Speaker 7: city Hall and so developing those pipelines and working with
Speaker 7: partners like cps, like nonprofit philanthropy, our business community, and
Speaker 7: so many others to make sure our young people have
Speaker 7: you know, really opportunity and hope. At the end of
Speaker 7: the day, I will tell you this too. You know,
Speaker 7: green jobs are also a part of that which the
Speaker 7: Chamber of Commerce along with the City of Cincinnati commissioned
Speaker 7: a green workforce analysis, and in that analysis, there's the
Speaker 7: opportunity to create up to forty four thousand jobs, many
Speaker 7: of which are union jobs. When we think about electricians
Speaker 7: and you know, solling eighth tracks and solar panels and
Speaker 7: all of those pieces, but that hasn't a potential of
Speaker 7: an eleven billion dollar economic impact to the region. So
Speaker 7: you think about that coupled with the jobs at this infrastructure,
Speaker 7: this generational infrastructure project's going to bring. Workforce has to
Speaker 7: be at the top of the list for all of
Speaker 7: us over the next really five ten years.
Speaker 1: She's Mika Owens and she is a chair as a
Speaker 1: city council person of the committee that's heading up infrastructure
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. Met with O Dot yesterday and what's happening
Speaker 1: is we're moving forward in the Brent Spence Bridge set
Speaker 1: to begin construction early part of next year. Although I
Speaker 1: will say probably a lot of these site works being
Speaker 1: done right.
Speaker 7: Now, correct, Yeah, that's correct, So all of the small
Speaker 7: pieces that have to significant, but the pipes running the ground,
Speaker 7: all of those pieces that have to be set right
Speaker 7: now in order to actually get to the building of
Speaker 7: what we all know as a bridge. So the work
Speaker 7: is happening. We're really grateful that after decades of trying
Speaker 7: to get this first accomplished, that we're at this moment
Speaker 7: and it took a lot of works from a lot
Speaker 7: of people. Are of there's this community again government, and
Speaker 7: we're just happy that on both sides of the river,
Speaker 7: you know, people working cooarly to ensure that this is
Speaker 7: a really great project. And I also want to recognize that,
Speaker 7: you know, there are some future implications in terms of
Speaker 7: greater connectivity back to the West End, back to what
Speaker 7: we've known as Queenstate, but originally the West End when
Speaker 7: we think about the Fifth Street expansion and so those
Speaker 7: are things that are being built out right now and
Speaker 7: being a part of the design and conversation right now,
Speaker 7: so that when we get to a moment of being
Speaker 7: able to extend, you know, those things can happen. So
Speaker 7: we're thinking about the future even right now.
Speaker 1: Is this a deal where it sounds like most people
Speaker 1: go while you just canned it over to Oda. Oda
Speaker 1: takes care all the stuff work with Kentucky Transportation Cabinet.
Speaker 1: But Oda's going to how much oversight does the City
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. Where's the accountability I guess, and how close
Speaker 1: tabs Nika Owens do you keep on what the project
Speaker 1: is overall from the Cincinnati perspective.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, obviously this is uh, this is right at
Speaker 7: our heart of our city, and so certainly we want
Speaker 7: to make sure that we are continuing to be accountable
Speaker 7: results here. Our Department of Transportation Engineering has been uh
Speaker 7: with you know, working with ODAC every step of the way,
Speaker 7: and certainly this is not the first time that you know,
Speaker 7: the city and state come together to work on projects,
Speaker 7: and so those relationships are there. I also want to
Speaker 7: recognize you know, Doublin or the line, you know, being
Speaker 7: a very a great partner, recognizing that at the local
Speaker 7: level there are some decisions that impact us directly, and
Speaker 7: so being right at the table to make sure that
Speaker 7: we are again getting all of the great benefits that
Speaker 7: this bridge will will bring to our city. So for example,
Speaker 7: you know, we've got to into their district that's coming online,
Speaker 7: and so when people get off and accit and go
Speaker 7: through a downtown Cincinnati, I mean, it is truly going
Speaker 7: to be a spectacle. And so that's what we want
Speaker 7: we want people to be able to not just go
Speaker 7: over the overpass for those that are maybe carrying of
Speaker 7: course certainly, but we want folks to be able to
Speaker 7: stop downtown enjoy, We want folks to be able to
Speaker 7: get to seventy one, want folks to be able to
Speaker 7: get to the West End.
Speaker 4: That is a huge.
Speaker 7: Opportunity in terms of what we might reimagine together there.
Speaker 7: So ultimately, yes, we want to be at the table
Speaker 7: and we want to make the decisions necessary and we're
Speaker 7: possible to make sure one this bridge is completed in
Speaker 7: a timely manner and then also you know, making sure
Speaker 7: that we're meeting the budget of this as well go
Speaker 7: out of our control.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I guess we'll be good partners, Mika.
Speaker 1: But one of the other things the fact that year ago,
Speaker 1: almost a year ago, we had the bridge fire, the
Speaker 1: Big Mac Bridge, remember, a head shut down for a
Speaker 1: period of time because of the fire underneath it. And
Speaker 1: the end result is it was on going to mitigated
Speaker 1: traffic disaster on the street surface streets of Cincinnati because
Speaker 1: there's no preparation for something like that, but there was
Speaker 1: no reaction, There was no emergency plan in place to
Speaker 1: deal with something with one of the major bridges is
Speaker 1: shut down, and traffic in some areas went from a
Speaker 1: twenty or thirty minute commute to over two hours. Tempers
Speaker 1: were flying. Fortunately, no bad things really really happen other
Speaker 1: than traffic delays. But I look at that and go, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: what's the plan now for surface streets being overwhelmed with
Speaker 1: traffic for the multi year build, for the decade long
Speaker 1: build that's the brent S Benz Bridge.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's a great question, and certainly that'll be
Speaker 7: something that we can continue to follow up on. I
Speaker 7: do know that there are you know, professional engineers who
Speaker 7: this is not the first time building a bridge and
Speaker 7: assessing traffic and you know, traffic patterns and analyzing those things,
Speaker 7: and so that's also a part of what's going into
Speaker 7: the design process. So by the end of this year,
Speaker 7: beginning of next year, we'll have more ODAT, will have
Speaker 7: more information around these kind of traffic patterns and the
Speaker 7: way that the Playweight Belly Bailey Bridge might be impacted.
Speaker 7: But ultimately, at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 7: this is about moving people very smoothly, not idle, not
Speaker 7: idling sitting on sitting on a Bridge waiting to go
Speaker 7: places they certainly we want to make sure we're moving
Speaker 7: people at the end of the day, and so yeah,
Speaker 7: I look forward to the updates that we'll continue to
Speaker 7: have with Odot in my committee.
Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate. I got to get going. She
Speaker 1: is Mika Owens, joining the show this morning. Council member
Speaker 1: Owens chairs the Climate, Environment and Infrastructure Committee and the
Speaker 1: Brent Spence Bridge Quarter project as a go. They're doing
Speaker 1: a little bit of sight work right now, but the
Speaker 1: big stuff you'll notice will start happening early part QQ
Speaker 1: Q one, early Q one, like January February of next year. Mik,
Speaker 1: all the best, thanks for coming on the show. Appreciate you.
Speaker 7: Thanks Scott, appreciate it. Take care.
Speaker 1: We'll talk again soon. I've got to get a news
Speaker 1: update in because we've got some pressing developing issues going
Speaker 1: on right now. We'll find out the very latest there.
Speaker 1: And of course one of the big developing issues we
Speaker 1: didn't foresee coming was the fact that we go from
Speaker 1: Joe A to Joe B, from Joe Burrow to Joe
Speaker 1: Flacco with a guy named Jake Browning Sandwich somewhere in between.
Speaker 1: If you're any good we still be talking about him. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: what can we expect this weekend with the Green Bay
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Speaker 5: Of all sorts of sh yeah, you know, it's it's
Speaker 5: a little challenging right now. I was at the Bengals
Speaker 5: Lions game with my dad over the weekend when I'm
Speaker 5: surrounded by blue and I'm like, you know what all
Speaker 5: you can do from this point is this kind of
Speaker 5: laugh to keep from crying. And of course the Bengals say,
Speaker 5: hold my beer because we are calling the Browns for help.
Speaker 1: That's unreal. A franchise that has destroyed quarterbacks since the
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, we go to them for our next quarterback
Speaker 1: in forty year old Joe Flacco. She is such a
Speaker 1: devoted Bengals fan that Nottle does she drink in the
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Speaker 1: she's going to cook sporting goods to get a Joe
Speaker 1: Flacco Bengals jersey to be the one in person in
Speaker 1: the stadium one to Joe Flacco Bengals jersey.
Speaker 5: That's right morning. The Bengals had tweeted out hot off
Speaker 5: the press and they were announcing that Joe Flacco will
Speaker 5: wear number sixteen, sixteen, your Cincinnati Bengals sixteen. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: as someone who's close to forty. Look, I'm not forty yet,
Speaker 5: but I just know that when you are twenty eight,
Speaker 5: you know, like one Joe Burrow versus almost forty, Well,
Speaker 5: you know, Joe being actually forty. You got to be
Speaker 5: careful with this guy, Like the old line has come
Speaker 5: to be on high alert. Now. You can't let this
Speaker 5: forty year old man bounce around the field like that.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's elder abuse, loony.
Speaker 1: That could be a lawsuit pending. Do you think that
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the offensive line stair is going
Speaker 1: to go Okay, you know what, Now we're inspired to
Speaker 1: protect the forty year old statue that is Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1: I love that it and go. The worst run game
Speaker 1: in the National Football League belong to the Bengals. I
Speaker 1: can't open holes for Chase Brown can't get more than
Speaker 1: inches when you need yards. And now you're tasking with
Speaker 1: not only creating a run game that's been not existed,
Speaker 1: but now creating, uh, creating run holes for the run game,
Speaker 1: but also protecting the leakage that's con prevent Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: but from becoming Joe Burrow. My fear is this fort
Speaker 1: of your Flacco gets in there and against By the way,
Speaker 1: I don't know you about this, but the pass rush
Speaker 1: of the Green Bay Packers with Micah Parsons is pretty
Speaker 1: damn good, best in the NFL. If they do, if
Speaker 1: he does what he's done in the past, I'm wondering
Speaker 1: how soon we're going to see Jake Browning return.
Speaker 5: Oh, let's not. We're not going to go back us
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 1: I feel like possibility it.
Speaker 5: Has it has to get only better from here. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: Jake just couldn't get it done. And again you de
Speaker 5: for time. Turning to the Browns for a situation like this.
Speaker 5: So I don't know what we're going to see this weekend,
Speaker 5: but it does give me hope that the last time
Speaker 5: that Joe Flacco played the Packers was actually not that
Speaker 5: long ago, back on September twenty first with the ran
Speaker 5: he won and he managed to squeeze out a win
Speaker 5: thirteen to ten. So are they still fourteen and a
Speaker 5: half point favorites this weekend? That being the Packers?
Speaker 1: Yes with Joe, how are we looking?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1: What does Vegas say? Vegas says Bengals lose. That's what
Speaker 1: Vegas says.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 5: I saw this stat the other day. Not to fast
Speaker 5: forward too much because I know we're just focused on
Speaker 5: one game at a time, but it said when the
Speaker 5: Bengals host the Steelers next week, the combined QB age
Speaker 5: is going to be eighty one years old. Of course,
Speaker 5: because they've got Aaron Rodgers. Just the battle of the elderly.
Speaker 5: I mean, what a time to be a fan team. Wow,
Speaker 5: what a roller coaster. But this is where you really
Speaker 5: have to capitalize in the AFC. I mean, the Ravens
Speaker 5: aren't getting it done, the brown stuck as always, and
Speaker 5: really the Steelers aren't impressive, so it's like, all right,
Speaker 5: Joe Flacco to the rescue.
Speaker 1: Eight or Nina Funny. Nine wins may get it done, Sarah.
Speaker 5: Which is wild to say because this used to be
Speaker 5: the division to look out for and now we're just
Speaker 5: we're looking on at this division like, oh, I'm kind
Speaker 5: of concerned here.
Speaker 1: The concern, though, is you still need a six or
Speaker 1: seven wins at this point to get to where you
Speaker 1: need to be. If that's the case, I can do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, We'll see. I'll give I'll give the
Speaker 1: team credit, give the franchise credit. They went out and
Speaker 1: they did something right. They went out and got something,
Speaker 1: and I felt.
Speaker 5: Like such the Bengals mentality though, the Bengals mentality, it's like,
Speaker 5: well they did is this the right something?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 1: What other options do you have? I mean, you can stay,
Speaker 1: you know what, Jake Brown and Canning you know clearly
Speaker 1: there's pressure on Zach Taylor. Of course, there's no pressure
Speaker 1: on Duke Tobin or or the or the family. No
Speaker 1: pressure there. Everything's fine, no, not ever. But to me,
Speaker 1: it's like I when when this broke yesterday afternoon, and
Speaker 1: it's how blow up on my phone. It struck me
Speaker 1: as Joe fla forty I know it is forty year
Speaker 1: old Joe Flacco, who, by the way, in Cleveland and
Speaker 1: four starts as one and three with the fifth eight
Speaker 1: percent completion rate, two touchdowns and six interceptions. On paper,
Speaker 1: he doesn't seem much different than Jake Browning. And this
Speaker 1: to me felt like this is the best chance of
Speaker 1: all the worst options available for what it is. It's
Speaker 1: It's like, Sarah, this is like a closing time hookup,
Speaker 1: is what it is. You're a dude. You're not the
Speaker 1: best pick of the litter. You know, you have questionable hygiene.
Speaker 1: You're not a very good person. She seems I don't know.
Speaker 1: Her friend says she's got a great personnel, she's a
Speaker 1: nice person. I don't. I don't know. We're both desperate.
Speaker 1: Let's just hook up. That's what this is. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a closing time hookup.
Speaker 5: If this makes you feel better, Joe Flacco is the
Speaker 5: only Super Bowl winning QB that the Bengals have ever had.
Speaker 1: Did we and when you phrase it that way, did
Speaker 1: we swipe?
Speaker 2: Laughter?
Speaker 1: Swipe? What?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: On quarterback Tinder?
Speaker 5: I don't know, because I've never been on Tinder to
Speaker 5: know which one.
Speaker 1: You know which one it is? Either that, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's a last swipe right, swipe up down.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what's going on here.
Speaker 5: I have no idea old for this, just like Jill FLACKO,
Speaker 5: this is the time of the elderly. But of course, yeah,
Speaker 5: he got it done with the Ravens not even ten
Speaker 5: years ago. But can you do it with the Bengals.
Speaker 1: We'll see, But no way, let me interrupt. I saw
Speaker 1: this this morning. Okay, do you know since his last
Speaker 1: full season in twenty seventeen what his record is?
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm curious.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, fourteen and twenty six.
Speaker 5: Welcome to the Bengals.
Speaker 1: You'll fit right in, Sit right in, You'll fit right in.
Speaker 5: You're doing great. But yeah, Zach Taylor had released a
Speaker 5: statement yesterday, very long, so i'll just sort of spark
Speaker 5: noted here he goes, Yeah, joll Flackow has the history
Speaker 5: of winning. He is a leader, a gifted pastor, and
Speaker 5: we're excited to have him on the team.
Speaker 1: Very well, I want him to say what is he
Speaker 1: supposed to say?
Speaker 5: He fear every time I read exact quote, I'm like
Speaker 5: I could have probably said this in my head and
Speaker 5: told you that this is what Doc Taylor said. It's
Speaker 5: very predictable at this And if Zach Taylor solve the job,
Speaker 5: if they can't beat now, if they can't, okay, say
Speaker 5: for example, they go on and they beat the Packers
Speaker 5: this weekend, and okay, and then and then they go
Speaker 5: ahead and they beat the Steelers. Does that mean that
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, back Taylor's job should be safe
Speaker 5: and we're back on teams. Dak Taylor again to me,
Speaker 5: I don't just spit out my coffee.
Speaker 1: Well, let's hear the winning. Winning solves a lot of problems.
Speaker 1: You know when Zach took them to the Super Bowl?
Speaker 5: Really good?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: I Mean, here's the weirdest thing I've ever seen in
Speaker 1: my lifetime, with all they hate and negativity towards this
Speaker 1: team for what they have not done and what they
Speaker 1: continue to not do. Mike Brown himself was celebrated in
Speaker 1: Washington Park by cheering crowds when they returned from losing
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: Use I was there, and it was a very bitter
Speaker 5: sweet celebration, like this is very Cincinnati of us. What
Speaker 5: are we doing?
Speaker 1: Like we thought we turned the corners like, Okay, they
Speaker 1: woke up. You know, the Blackburn girls are involved and
Speaker 1: things are changing. We've got to ring up, honor. We
Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl and now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's it's gone completely back to where it was before,
Speaker 1: which makes you think with Parody and the NFL, maybe
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl year they just got lucky, Like we
Speaker 1: were bad enough that we got one of the best
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league. I mean generational talent and Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: You got Jamar Chase t Higgins was great, but you
Speaker 1: did that because you sucked for so long. You got
Speaker 1: to pick of the letter that does those things. We
Speaker 1: didn't invest in an offensive line. I mean the defense
Speaker 1: right now is mid. So I look at this this
Speaker 1: whole package. You go, well, Cleveland at least has a
Speaker 1: really really good defense that's going to turn the ball
Speaker 1: back over to Joe Flacco or in this case, Dyllan
Speaker 1: Gabriel more often than the Bengals will. That's also a concern.
Speaker 5: Better are they on the Bengals, which is really wild
Speaker 5: to stay. I mean, I haven't seen really anything good
Speaker 5: happening with this team in the past few weeks. It's
Speaker 5: really sad, and again when I was there on Sunday
Speaker 5: out numbered by Lions Sance, I saw a lot of
Speaker 5: people wearing those paper bags over their heads, a lot
Speaker 5: of fire Dak Taylor signs. But like you said, if
Speaker 5: they start winning and turning things around, it's really amazing
Speaker 5: what happens and how quick the fans were. You get
Speaker 5: a couple of losses and the paper bags come out.
Speaker 5: I think it's going to look like late November.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what to expect Sunday. I really
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I have not but I'll watch,
Speaker 1: I'll listen right.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm so sad for this. I'm even more excited
Speaker 5: than ever. I'm like Jake Browning, but Joe Flacco, I mean,
Speaker 5: this is someone that this is someone that that you
Speaker 5: want to root for.
Speaker 1: You always liked you. You always prefer the older men.
Speaker 5: I'm like, Oh, Joe, Okay, this is someone.
Speaker 1: What's his fit?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 1: He's a zaddie.
Speaker 5: I'm duned in well, speaking of I wonder what he
Speaker 5: wore last night and stuff rubies. Yeah, I have an
Speaker 5: inside store. That's a boy. He got into Cincinnati last
Speaker 5: night and his first stop was, of course, at Jeff
Speaker 5: Ruby's for dinner. I don't know who we went out
Speaker 5: to dinner with, if it were for Steak Browning or
Speaker 5: Jamar Stacey Higgins, whoever, But I just know that that's
Speaker 5: where she was at last night. That's the way to
Speaker 5: get welcomed into the city.
Speaker 1: Right, I would think, like, Okay, I'm gonna get in
Speaker 1: and on the way, somebody's picking me up and they've
Speaker 1: got an iPad, and I'm gonna study the entire time
Speaker 1: to like get to Cincinnati. And then I got to
Speaker 1: get in and have team meetings and I got I'm
Speaker 1: gonna know, I'm gonna get in. I'm gonna you know
Speaker 1: what I need. I need a baked potato. I need
Speaker 1: a ribbi and some lobster mac is what I need
Speaker 1: before anything happened.
Speaker 5: Get the playbook. Yeah, I don't need to.
Speaker 1: I don't need to, Like nothing against Ruby's good. Could
Speaker 1: you just like I don't know, maybe get a sandwich
Speaker 1: and like have it? Kay, you know, have some food
Speaker 1: at the training because you're gonna have to study, like
Speaker 1: starting like cramming for a finals. What this is like, Like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and have a bottle. I have a
Speaker 1: bottle of wine and some sushi.
Speaker 5: There's no way that he was doing any sort of
Speaker 5: work last night Ruby's other than working on a damn
Speaker 5: But that's where the priorities are right now. And I'm
Speaker 5: also wondering, like, how did he get to Cincinnati. Do
Speaker 5: you think that they just sent a car for him?
Speaker 5: Did he get some sort of like private plane situation?
Speaker 5: This is a pretty quick drive. Did they send an
Speaker 5: uber for him?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I guess probably Like what is that the Mega bus
Speaker 1: or the Baron's Billions, the Baron's bus or whatever it
Speaker 1: is from Cleveland taking that down sitting in the back. Hey,
Speaker 1: they got free Wi Fi.
Speaker 5: I mean, we don't have to pay for this guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, send the private jet. We we sent u we
Speaker 1: got Greyhound?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 5: So does give me faith that that Joe Burrow, remember
Speaker 5: that guy? That gives me faith that he will be back,
Speaker 5: maybe sooner than expected.
Speaker 1: I think the club is confident that Joe will be
Speaker 1: back in December because of the indication of what they
Speaker 1: did here, that they made a move, going, hey, if
Speaker 1: we can maybe get a couple of wins out of
Speaker 1: this guy who knows what happens, If it can be
Speaker 1: early December as opposed to late December, then you probably
Speaker 1: don't have a chance, but Sarah Lisa is here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe Joe Flacca will hit for the cycle and
Speaker 5: sign with the Steelers.
Speaker 1: He's played for every team in the division except for
Speaker 1: the Steelers. And maybe Aaron Rodgers goes down, we get
Speaker 1: to Burrow back and then at December we see Flacco
Speaker 1: start for the Steelers. What about that?
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I mean, the possibilities are endless that
Speaker 5: nothing surprises me anymore. Ever, Like when I saw that
Speaker 5: news about Joe Flacca, I laughed and I was like,
Speaker 5: you know what, I'm not even surprised like this, of
Speaker 5: course what happened? Pot off the press. Go check out
Speaker 5: the Bengals Twitter. They've got all the latest with all
Speaker 5: your Joe Flacco ish that you could. But you can
Speaker 5: imagine it's all there on the hilarious it is.
Speaker 1: But you know what, I think you got to watch.
Speaker 1: You go like, okay, I got to see what happens here.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I will be sat.
Speaker 7: Got it.
Speaker 5: I'll w haw's it because the Reds are no longer playing.
Speaker 5: Don't even get me started.
Speaker 1: On is there any other sports? This is the only
Speaker 1: sports news we have. Sports Lady, I.
Speaker 5: Guess, go Dodgers. If you're going to lose to the Dodgers,
Speaker 5: just go Dodgers all the way. And then FD Cincinnati,
Speaker 5: they're back for their final regular season match. That's going
Speaker 5: down next Saturday, fan Appreciation Night. And then our Cincinnati
Speaker 5: Cyclones are back the exact same night and they've got
Speaker 5: a big fan appreciation you know, first base Off special
Speaker 5: thing going on, so discounted food and beverages and free calendars,
Speaker 5: all kind of. Saturday is where it's got to get
Speaker 5: your hockey and your soccer fixed, because, as you know,
Speaker 5: baseball is done in our city.
Speaker 1: We're about done with baseball and the puck drop in
Speaker 1: the NHL. Last night, I was watching a little puk,
Speaker 1: was watching the Penguins and Rangers for a little bit
Speaker 1: going on there. It's good to see hockey back fall
Speaker 1: this year. And I can't wait for Sunday afternoon for
Speaker 1: twenty five to see what happens with the Bengals and
Speaker 1: the Packers, namely Micah Parsons. And right now, talk about
Speaker 1: somebody who's having a stake. He's sitting there rubbing his hands,
Speaker 1: going all right, let's get so, let's get some let's
Speaker 1: get something done.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 1: Uh, Sarah le surprises me back Monday morning and the
Speaker 1: Kid Chris show that's shows her off the phone. Now,
Speaker 1: even on vacation, she has to do the snort report.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 5: Sitting here my Bengals pajamas in case anyone wanted to know.
Speaker 1: And no matter what, she's the paper bag waiting this afternoon,
Speaker 1: she'll be down to cook sporting goods to get the
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco what number sixteen?
Speaker 5: Number sixteen babies.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is what you're saying is Joe
Speaker 1: Flacco is a touchdown better than number nine.
Speaker 5: Yes, if you're looking at just the numbers, then yes.
Speaker 1: He's a touchdown better than Burrow. Oh my gosh, talk
Speaker 1: to you next week. Thanks again, have a good one,
Speaker 1: Good luck all right? Who try to get dressed today?
Speaker 1: For crying out loud? Would you put some clothes on?
Speaker 1: Be productive for crying out loud? To act like you care? Anyway,
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