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Speaker 2: hour number two. The theme of the week, and you

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Speaker 2: can make this whatever you want with talkbacks or calling in,

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Speaker 2: but the theme of the week with Duke Tobin speaking

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Speaker 2: on Friday is what questions would you have for Duke

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Speaker 2: Tobin if you were able to ask just one to

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Speaker 2: Duke Tobin on Friday. We'll get to that in our

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Speaker 2: number three. Today, we will spend some time on college basketball.

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Speaker 2: Xavier heads to Marquette to take on the Golden Eagles tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: and the Bearcats are in Morgantown tonight they take on

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Speaker 2: West Virginia. We didn't get to spend much time yesterday

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Speaker 2: on the Monday Midday Quarterback talking about UC. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: a little about UC Houston. You'll hear what Wes Miller

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Speaker 2: had to say in his post game, and we'll talk

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Speaker 2: about their chances tonight against the Mountaineers of West Virginia,

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Speaker 2: where you see is right now a two and a

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Speaker 2: half point underdog. We'll spend a lot of time on

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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals today. We'll talk about Zach Taylor and

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Speaker 2: Duke Tobin. I want to spend a little more time

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Speaker 2: on the letter from the desk of Mike Brown yesterday

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Speaker 2: and some questions I have from listening to what Zach

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Speaker 2: Taylor had to say yesterday, and we'll get into much

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Speaker 2: more on the Cincinnati Bengals, will whip whip around what

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Speaker 2: else is going on in the sports world, starting with

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you got to see this or

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Speaker 2: not last night, Austin, the FCS Championship. Did you tune

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Speaker 2: in at all to that? No, unbelievable. One of the

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Speaker 2: games of the year, potentially the game of the year.

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Speaker 2: Montana State topped Illinois State in one of the most

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Speaker 2: wild college football games I have ever seen. Illinois State

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Speaker 2: had a chance to win it in regulation, a field

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Speaker 2: goal was blocked. They then went into overtime. Illinois State

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Speaker 2: scored first, their extra point was then blocked. Montana State

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Speaker 2: was a wildly, wildly entertaining game. It's the most I've

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Speaker 2: to Illinois State and Montana State, your FCS National Championship

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Speaker 2: winner from last night. Last night saw some college hoops

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Speaker 2: action as well. Unfortunately, it saw the Buckeyes fall at

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Speaker 2: the hand of the Nebraska Cornhuskers seventy two to sixty nine.

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Speaker 2: What is I know you're not fully in college basketball

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Speaker 2: mode yet, Austin, but have you followed along all with

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Speaker 3: Not really loosely, very loosely. I have a buddy who

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Speaker 3: that he thought Ohio State would win that game and

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Speaker 3: they were very close. Yeah, the Jake Diebler era so

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Speaker 3: far has been a bunch of close, single digit one

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Speaker 2: Sounds kind of familiar to something we'll talk about later

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Speaker 2: in the show today, except I don't know how many

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Speaker 2: and Izzo responded from across the court almost like a

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Speaker 2: are you doing? Figure your stuff out? But Izzo in

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Speaker 2: Michigan State back on track last night as well. Tonight,

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Speaker 2: That is a big one. There are a lot a

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Speaker 2: Of course, since the season is over here for Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: I don't think we're there yet. Joe Danaman will join

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Speaker 2: Taylor Britt. Now it's important that that interview was done

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Speaker 2: because no one will be able to interview Cam Taylor

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Speaker 2: said in to the Clank. Bengals quarterback Cam Taylor brid

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Speaker 2: headed to jail. A judge about a half hour ago

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Speaker 3: I think we should. I think this is good thing.

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Speaker 3: We should crack down on street racing. Yeah, this coming

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Speaker 3: I've seen other Bengals at a high rate of speed.

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Speaker 3: That makes me very nervous. Like I On one hand,

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Speaker 3: On the other hand, let's maybe not race our sports

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Speaker 2: Local twelve, who was at the courtroom where Cam Taylor

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Speaker 2: that's not a very long stretch. That's correct, and there's

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Speaker 3: been a while since Cam showed up in any wow

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Speaker 3: That was a guy who somehow people convinced themselves had

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Speaker 2: the newly created president of Football post. He is considered

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Speaker 2: to be the favorite right now, Mount Ryan just gonna

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Speaker 3: Now the door has been opened by Tom Brady at

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Speaker 3: It's a good question there's there's directors of football operations,

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Speaker 3: there's team presidents, there's player personnels, there's gms. What does

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Speaker 2: Now? See, like I I envisioned, like there's like a

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Speaker 2: like Shaq is a GM, Steph Curry is the GM

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Speaker 2: I would imagine that's the type of job you would

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And how can you be able to do both

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Speaker 2: Exactly?

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Speaker 3: And how can you be honest and forthcoming and serious

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Speaker 3: in your assessment of the Atlanta Falcons If you have

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Speaker 3: Brady rarely does Raider games, so if the Raiders get good,

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Speaker 2: And I don't even mind that he does. Again, Like

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Speaker 2: Like unless he's gonna walk away from his CBS broadcasting job.

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Speaker 2: if you are the president of football and you understand

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know who still watches the CBS

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Speaker 3: probably be where the Falcons are when they play their games.

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Speaker 3: Not in a studio in New York, and that just

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Speaker 3: John Lynch used to do games, yep, and he gets

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Speaker 3: brought on by the forty nine Ers. He's been all

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Speaker 3: Like if the Bengals offered me a job right now

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Speaker 3: of anything inside football operations, how could I be honest

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Speaker 3: it seems difficult for me. I don't know. Maybe I'm crazy. No,

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Speaker 3: twenty four hours into the off season.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: I didn't love that? Is that the theme that you

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Speaker 2: mentioned off You mentioned that there's a theme and you

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Speaker 2: tweeted about as well. There's a theme that you're hearing

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Speaker 2: early on. Is that what concerns you the most?

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Speaker 3: No, the thing that I keep hearing already is continuity. Oh,

441
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Speaker 3: Zach has taught chemistry. Zach has talked about and said

442
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Speaker 3: it a couple of times. Yesterday, Oh, we have continuity

443
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Speaker 3: in the building. And Al didn't get here until late

444
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Speaker 3: last year. Well it was February. He'd been in the

445
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Speaker 3: building before. Like, you guys are there every day. Al

446
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Speaker 3: is your next door neighbor. Right, you guys couldn't figure

447
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: out what your scheme was, right, and we're using number one.

448
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Speaker 3: Al getting there late has an excuse. And now that

449
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Speaker 3: we have continuity and all these guys working together as

450
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Speaker 3: if they haven't been almost every day together for the

451
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Speaker 3: last ten months, now you're gonna figure it out.

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I don't want like last year, it was all start fast,

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Speaker 3: start fast, start fast. If you got to start, if

455
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Speaker 3: we start fast, and everything will be okay. They started

456
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Speaker 3: fast and everything sucked. So I don't want to lean

457
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Speaker 3: on Oh, well, the continuity coaching staff is really going

458
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Speaker 3: to help this defense take the next step.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not buying that. Let me ask you,

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Speaker 2: Let me ask one thing about how Golden that I'm

461
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Speaker 2: fascinated in because as I was watching kind of the

462
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Speaker 2: end of the season unfold, a name kept coming up

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Speaker 2: that I kind of tied in a little bit with

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Speaker 2: what the Bengals did this offseason. The Bengals, I would say,

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Speaker 2: would you say after last year also that the safety

466
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Speaker 2: position was a position of need? Probably? Yes. So my

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Speaker 2: question is when al Golden was brought in and this

468
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Speaker 2: kind of this is more for Duke Tobin on Friday

469
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Speaker 2: as well, But I'm so interested in the say that

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Speaker 2: a now Golden has in getting the rosters set in

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Speaker 2: a way that notches his scheme. And the only reason

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Speaker 2: I asked this is because down the stretch I watched

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Speaker 2: Xavier Watts make a ton of plays at safety for

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Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons. And right now, according to DraftKings, Xavier

475
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Speaker 2: Watts is either the third or fourth betting favorite for

476
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Speaker 2: defensive Rookie of the Year. Where did Xavier Watts play

477
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Speaker 2: college football? Austin Notre Dame. So my question is there

478
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Speaker 2: was a glaring position of need for the Bengals at safety,

479
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Speaker 2: you brought in a defensive coordinator, and when you drafted

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Speaker 2: in the third round, and I know Dylan Fairchild was

481
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Speaker 2: your third round pick, and I'm not making this about

482
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Speaker 2: Dylan Fairchild, But in the third round when the Bengals

483
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Speaker 2: came up with the number eighty for eighty one overall pick,

484
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Speaker 2: did Golden have any say in? Hey, guys, I know

485
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Speaker 2: it's a position of need. Xavier Watts is still on

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Speaker 2: the board. Can we give that a look? You know,

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Speaker 2: I just want to know if that, if that, if

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Speaker 2: that's something Al Golden has a possibility to do. Did

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Speaker 2: Al Golden hand picked Demetrius Knight in Barrett Carter? You know,

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Speaker 2: I want to know those ins and outs of the

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Speaker 2: decision making process. Is that ow is that Al Golden?

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Speaker 2: Because I'd have a hard time on a team that

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Speaker 2: is in desperate need of a safety that that has

494
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Speaker 2: has still been penalized, not by but by fans for

495
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Speaker 2: not signing Jesse Bates. They've now paid more money to

496
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Speaker 2: try to find their replacement and we're still trying to

497
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Speaker 2: find the replacement of Jesse Bates and Xavier Wats, a

498
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Speaker 2: guy that was coached by Al Golden, who knew Al

499
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Speaker 2: Golden's system was still on the board. Did he have

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Speaker 2: a say? Did Al Golden have a say? Or does

501
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Speaker 2: he have a say in the decision making process in

502
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Speaker 2: the draft? I think is fascinating. The answer that question

503
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Speaker 2: is yes, he absolutely does.

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Speaker 3: The Bengals absolutely put more on their code coaches in

505
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Speaker 3: the scouting and the selection and all that of players

506
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Speaker 3: than most teams I think do in the NFL, and

507
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Speaker 3: Al especially it was part of the reason.

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Speaker 2: He was brought here.

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Speaker 3: In the draft picks. No, I think in that particular situation.

510
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Speaker 3: I mean, Dylan Fairchild looks like a hit and that

511
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Speaker 3: was also a position of need, and they had gone

512
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Speaker 3: defense in the first two selections.

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Speaker 2: So do you think it was more Al Golden in

514
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Speaker 2: the second round that said I want Demitrice Knight.

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Speaker 3: I think it is them deciding what is the biggest

516
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Speaker 3: need for the team in that moment based off the

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Speaker 3: players that are there, and they're probably I'm never gonna

518
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Speaker 3: be upset with them for choosing a guard to protect

519
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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow. Lord knows we've needed them and they're gonna

520
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Speaker 3: need another one this year if they don't re sign

521
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Speaker 3: Dalton Reisner. But like, yeah, I had no problem with that.

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Speaker 3: But I think because of the way that they had

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Speaker 3: failed prior to Al Golden getting there, Sure, to adequately

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Speaker 3: supplement the roster, and how even when Golden was there,

525
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Speaker 3: because free agency happens a month and a half before

526
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Speaker 3: the draft, they didn't go and get guys that they

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Speaker 3: could have gotten. And that I think is it results

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Speaker 3: back into the core of the issue. The Trey Henderson

529
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Speaker 3: thing had not yet been figured out by then. Higgins

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Speaker 3: and Chase were already under contract by then. There was

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Speaker 3: no excuse for not going and getting more guys. They

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Speaker 3: sent her on, TJ. Slayton and Orn Burks. That's not

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Speaker 3: good enough.

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Speaker 2: I just Kenber brought this up Sunday and he equated

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Speaker 2: the middle of the baseball defense and how important it

536
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Speaker 2: is centerfielder, double play, combination catcher, that battery that's used.

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Speaker 2: If you look Austin at the same theory of the

538
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals, it has been miss after miss again. They've

539
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Speaker 2: not yet found the replacement for Jesse Bates. They're week

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Speaker 2: at safety, they're currently week at linebacker, and as you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: BJ Hill and TJ. Slayton could be okay players, but

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Speaker 2: they spent draft picks on Chris Jenkins and McKinley Jackson.

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Speaker 2: The middle, the defensive tackles, linebackers, and the safeties of

544
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Speaker 2: this team all needed to be upgraded, and they've got

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Speaker 2: to find a way to do that successfully in this offseason,

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Speaker 2: where they have failed to do so in years past.

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Speaker 3: They have invested draft picks at those positions. Yes, Dejon Anthony,

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Speaker 3: Jordan Battle you mentioned, they just got to get at

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Speaker 3: d Jackson and Jenkins. It all goes back to they've

550
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Speaker 3: missed on a bunch of draft picks and they've banked

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Speaker 3: on those draft picks hitting and haven't been as aggressive

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Speaker 3: in free agency. To fix it. Now, you have to

553
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Speaker 3: be able to do both. You got to hit in

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Speaker 3: the draft and you got to hit in free agency.

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Speaker 3: And that's the thing. Like going back to those years

556
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Speaker 3: in which they were good, they were on a heater

557
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Speaker 3: in both free agency and the draft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know they they You could look at the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three draft and say there's some good players there.

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Speaker 2: They're not in a position in twenty twenty five to

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Speaker 2: wait three years for player to be good. They have

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Speaker 2: to find those players now. And there are correlations and

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about this as the show goes on. Of

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Speaker 2: what they did in those years where they hit home runs,

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Speaker 2: we'll correlate that to what they can do this offseason. First,

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Speaker 2: we'll take some of your phone calls. Next on the

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Speaker 2: absolutely anything. Get your new year started off on the

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Speaker 2: right way with wind Shulers. Let's take a phone call here, John,

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Speaker 2: what's going on?

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Speaker 9: Good afternoon, Fellas we used to have taco fall.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember him, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, seven seven.

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Speaker 9: When he came in the crowd was really excited because

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Speaker 9: they would have at least to twenty five points at

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Speaker 9: that point, he was like, we're at our backs victory Cigar.

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Speaker 9: At that point, your probably discussion, guys, just confirms to

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Speaker 9: me what I've been saying is that the Bengals are

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Speaker 9: the most irrationally stable organization in all of sports. I mean,

596
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 9: Duke Tobin is going to be starting his twenty eight

597
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 9: season as the de facto general manager. The only other

598
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Speaker 9: executive in all of North American professional sports that has

599
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 9: been there longer is Brian Cashman with the New York Yankees.

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Speaker 9: The Yankees who just win and win and win and win.

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Speaker 4: So then you go with that one.

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Speaker 9: And also you were talking about not making coaching changes

603
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Speaker 9: that you know they're going to bring the coaching staff

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Speaker 9: back intact. Look at the Patriots, the Jaguars, and the Bears.

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Speaker 9: They came up with completely new coaching staffs, head coach,

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Speaker 9: all new assistants. And look what those three teams did

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Speaker 9: in one year of a turnaround. They doubled their wins,

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Speaker 9: if not more. So, you know, you still have to

609
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Speaker 9: tweak your coaching staff, like who's coaching the safeties of

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Speaker 9: the Cincinnati Bengals. Do they deserve to come back to

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Speaker 9: be that coach again? I don't think so, right.

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Speaker 2: That's to me. I just felt like yesterday it was

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Speaker 2: too early in the process to come out and say

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Speaker 2: you don't expect any changes.

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Speaker 4: That, to me is exactly.

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Speaker 2: That to me is you know what, We're gonna take

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Speaker 2: some time to evaluate what we need to get better

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Speaker 2: at because clearly it wasn't good enough because we're on

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Speaker 2: the outside looking in. That's what I want. I don't

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Speaker 2: want too much from Zach. Yesterday. I felt like we heard,

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Speaker 2: you know, no staff changes, the defense has been better,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna go into year two with a new coordinator

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Speaker 2: and you expect to jump there. The defense was better

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Speaker 2: down the stretch. I just want honesty. I don't need yes,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna make changes or no we're not. But hey,

626
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Speaker 2: this year it wasn't good enough. We're on the outside

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Speaker 2: looking in. That's not good enough, that's short of the

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Speaker 2: standard we have set for ourselves, and we're gonna evaluate

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Speaker 2: everything we need to moving forward.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what I want. He did say that in general,

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Speaker 3: but like, as far as the staff is concerned, what else,

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Speaker 3: Like what if Dan Pitcher gets a call? Like is

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Speaker 3: what if Dan Pitcher gets an opportunity to go coach?

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Speaker 3: I don't know the Atlanta Falcons. Then what are you

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Speaker 3: gonna do? What's your then? Like you don't know if

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Speaker 3: some of these guys are going to get poached. I

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Speaker 3: know some of them are going to get poached. I

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Speaker 3: know some of them are not.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no, if someone calls it didn't Dan Fincher, maybe

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Speaker 9: just say we'll drive you to the airport. At that point,

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Speaker 9: I don't know. I'm not quite sure what he exactly does.

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Speaker 9: But a couple of rose pedals for our quarterback Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 9: So we look at his career so far forty eight

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Speaker 9: thirty five and one as a starter. Now Zach Taylor

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Speaker 9: without Borrow as his starting quarterback, is nine and thirty

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Speaker 9: Since twenty nineteen. That was, of course, Zach Taylor's first

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Speaker 9: year Borrow was still at LSU, but since they've been

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Speaker 9: working together. Without Joe Burrow as his starting quarterback, Zach

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Speaker 9: Taylor is seven and sixteen the last twenty two games

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Speaker 9: this entire season. In the final five games is last

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Speaker 9: year the Bengals are eleven and eleven, ten and three

652
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Speaker 9: when Borrow starts, one and eight when he doesn't start.

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Speaker 9: And this is a narrative that's always been out there

654
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Speaker 9: about his fragility and he's not durable. Well, here are

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Speaker 9: games missed by five quarterbacks since the events of the league,

656
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Speaker 9: Kyler Murray thirty, Dak Prescott twenty six, two to twenty four,

657
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Speaker 9: Lamar Jackson eighteen, and Joe Burrow seventeen. So that narrative

658
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 9: is kind of weak. I mean, he's had catastrophic injuries.

659
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Speaker 9: It's not like he showed up to camp overweight and

660
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 9: pulled a hamstring on the second day of practice, right,

661
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Speaker 9: So there's other quarterbacks that have been out more than him.

662
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Speaker 9: What he did this year in coming back to me

663
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Speaker 9: was showing how committed he is.

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Speaker 2: To the team.

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Speaker 9: He could have very easily had three and eight said

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Speaker 9: I'm good. You know, I'm going to just rest up

667
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Speaker 9: and be ready for next year. He wanted to come

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Speaker 9: back even earlier, and I thought he played fairly well.

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Speaker 9: He had his moments, and we talked about it yesterday

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Speaker 9: that I think he's adjusting to getting rid of the

671
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Speaker 9: ball quicker, which you know is gonna be fine tunes

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Speaker 9: over the next season.

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Speaker 2: But just a couple of things.

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Speaker 10: That we're out there because he gets bashed.

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Speaker 9: He gets bashed nationally quite a bit. You know that

676
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Speaker 9: he hasn't made the pleass in three years, that he's

677
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Speaker 9: missed time and all these other things. But I still

678
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Speaker 9: think this is the best quarterback in football.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, John, I. I thank you for

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Speaker 2: the call. Man. Have a great day you too. Let's

681
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Speaker 2: take one final break this hour. We have Joe Danaman

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Speaker 2: at one o'clock. Let's let's take a look at the

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Speaker 2: way this team and roster was built in a success

684
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Speaker 2: the last time this team made the playoffs and the

685
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Speaker 2: last time they made a run, and let's kind of

686
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Speaker 2: correlate that with maybe what they can do this offseason.

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Speaker 2: We'll do that next on the Home of the Bengals,

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station wc K. Welcome back

689
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Speaker 2: since he three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station,

690
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Speaker 2: a service of Skyline, Chile, Austin. Sometimes in order to

691
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Speaker 2: go forward, you got to go back a little bit.

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Speaker 3: So are you saying the Arizona Cardinal should hire Cliff Kingsbury?

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Speaker 2: Maybe I saw Cliff Kingsbury is going to interview for

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Speaker 2: the New York Giants job. I think that fits him.

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00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: With Jackson, it feels like it certainly does. And a

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Speaker 2: high draft pick never mind, mm hmm, I'll get what

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Speaker 2: you're going I want to do this though. This is

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Speaker 2: what we talked about, the enormity of this offseason and

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Speaker 2: the team with money to spend. But it's not rarely.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't say it's never, but it's rarely. Austin the

701
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Speaker 2: one big name, big money free agent that changes everything.

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Speaker 2: You often have to piece together a lot of good

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Speaker 2: moving parts. And I I equate it to what we

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Speaker 2: talked about, or what I talked about with the Seattle Seahawks,

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Speaker 2: the number one seed in the NFC, and if you

706
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Speaker 2: look at their depth chart, Jaren Reid, Iron Murphy, Leonard Williams,

707
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Speaker 2: Drake Thomas, Ernest Jones, the fourth boy Mayfy Mafy. That'd

708
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Speaker 2: be boy A MafA, boy A Maffey, you know, Julian

709
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Speaker 2: Love there. There's there's good names on their defense, but

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00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: there are not perennial stars, the big name guys that

711
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Speaker 2: you often see. It's it's a roster. In my opinion,

712
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 2: that's made up of players that perfectly fit the scheme

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Speaker 2: that wants to be run. And that, to me is

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Speaker 2: the biggest question I have with Duke when when putting

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Speaker 2: this roster together. But we glazed over this yesterday and

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Speaker 2: Mo made a good point. If you go back to

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Speaker 2: the years Austin in which this team was successful and

718
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Speaker 2: the moves that they made, none of them at the

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Speaker 2: time were earth shattering, They were solid moves, but you

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Speaker 2: pieced together so many of them in twenty and twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one, the moves that this team made, and when

722
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Speaker 2: they added Trey hendrickson Austin, it wasn't like he was

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Speaker 2: number one on the board. Correct, he was a great

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Speaker 2: value fine, and I'm not mistaken. They got them day three. Yeah,

725
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Speaker 2: we'll go down. It's probably one of the best free

726
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Speaker 2: if not the best free agent signing in team history.

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Speaker 2: But in that twenty twenty and twenty twenty one offseason,

728
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Speaker 2: they also added Chadobia Wuzie, They added Mike Hilton, they

729
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Speaker 2: added Larry Ogan Jobi, they added Von Bell, and they

730
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Speaker 2: added DJ Reader. Again, none of those players you think

731
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Speaker 2: of like day one free agent max money signings. But

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Speaker 2: if you look at those players and the impact they

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Speaker 2: had here. They all had a major impact on what

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Speaker 2: this team did. And we've talked much like Jesse Bates,

735
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Speaker 2: we still talk about DJ Reader here in Cincinnati. Up

736
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Speaker 2: until this last offseason, we were still talking about Mike

737
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Speaker 2: Hilton and the decision to move on the first time

738
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Speaker 2: from Von Bell and how that hurt this team. Now

739
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Speaker 2: they had misses in there as well. Riley Reef was

740
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Speaker 2: a big name they brought in that didn't really do much.

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Speaker 2: But the point is those moves allowed this franchise to

742
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Speaker 2: get into that mode where they advanced to a super

743
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Speaker 2: Bowl and they went to back to back AFC title games.

744
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Speaker 2: And it wasn't just with the top tier free agents

745
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Speaker 2: that you've got to get on day one. Yeah, it's possible,

746
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Speaker 2: and they've done it before, but you have to catch

747
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Speaker 2: lightning to the bottle. You have to add that, and

748
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Speaker 2: then you've got to hit on some immediate impact draft picks.

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Speaker 2: If you can do that with seventy seven point eight

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Speaker 2: million dollars right now projected to spend a top ten

751
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Speaker 2: draft pick, if you can do that, then it is

752
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Speaker 2: plausible to say, Okay, next year, this team can get

753
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Speaker 2: back where they want, especially if you talk about the

754
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Speaker 2: AFC North. Baltimore is going to go through a unique offseason,

755
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns are going through a coaching search, the

756
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers are another year older. This is a very

757
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Speaker 2: winnable AFC North, and it's not outlandish to think that

758
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Speaker 2: it can or can't be done in one offseason. But

759
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Speaker 2: we've kind of seen the blueprint of how you go

760
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Speaker 2: about doing that. The question becomes again, which we talked

761
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Speaker 2: about the top of the show, are they able to

762
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Speaker 2: do that as currently built with Duke Tobin and Zach

763
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Speaker 2: Taylor making these decisions.

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Speaker 3: The answer should be yes, And that's what Mike Brown

765
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Speaker 3: said in his statement, because we've seen them do it before.

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Speaker 3: You just outlined it. I think, and I did an

767
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Speaker 3: entire show almost about this not that long ago, that

768
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Speaker 3: the similarities between that off season going into the twenty

769
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Speaker 3: one season and this offseason are eerie. They had a

770
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Speaker 3: similar amount of money, they had similar needs, and they

771
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Speaker 3: were able to nearly perfectly put that team together and

772
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Speaker 3: they were really good and went to the Super Bowl

773
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Speaker 3: in twenty one. They were probably even better in twenty two,

774
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Speaker 3: but obviously was just not able to finish off that

775
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Speaker 3: game in Kansas City, but like it's there, Like it's

776
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Speaker 3: not crazy to think about it. You mentioned the division.

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Speaker 3: I don't feel like anyone's going to run away with

778
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Speaker 3: this division anytime soon. And you have the financial ability

779
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Speaker 3: to do. I mean that off season they had about

780
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Speaker 3: seventy million dollars and if I'm not mistaken, they spent

781
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Speaker 3: sixty five, sixty six sixty seven of it. They had

782
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Speaker 3: three point eight million dollars in cap space at the

783
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Speaker 3: end of the twenty one season. They spent the money,

784
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Speaker 3: the results followed. The same thing happened in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Not maybe as much, not as up to the cap

786
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Speaker 3: as we had seen it in the past, but they

787
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Speaker 3: spent that money. To their credit, they've done a good

788
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Speaker 3: job of having the space not just this year, but

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Speaker 3: next year, in the year after, the way that they've

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Speaker 3: structured those deals with Joe and Jamar to be like, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we can do something here. And so, as Mike said

792
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Speaker 3: in the statement, they have proven they can build and

793
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Speaker 3: lead teams that compete for championships. Now it's just time

794
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Speaker 3: to do it again.

795
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Speaker 2: Yeah. One of those players you're deciding who to build

796
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Speaker 2: around Trey Hendrickson, Zach Taylor kind of left the door

797
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Speaker 2: open on Monday, said that there's always a path when

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Speaker 2: asked about the possibility of Hendrickson returning, while Jeremy Fowler

799
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Speaker 2: reported from ESPN that the relationship has quote run its course.

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Speaker 2: Yes it has. Bengals have the option of franchise Tag Hendington,

801
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: but after a year of contentious contract negotiations, the edge

802
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: rusher appears poised to land elsewhere and capitalize on a

803
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Speaker 2: booming positional market at this point in the process, Austin,

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Speaker 2: do you think it's the last we've seen of Trey

805
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Speaker 2: Hendrickson And are you okay with that going forward?

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Speaker 10: Yes?

807
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Speaker 2: And yes, agreed, agreed. Now, I still think they're gonna

808
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: need to add edge rusher this offseason, but Miles Murphy

809
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: showed signs. Shamar Stewart in little playing time, I think

810
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: showed some good explosiveness. You got a decision to make

811
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Speaker 2: on Joseph Osai, but I'm with you. I'm okay going

812
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Speaker 2: the opposite direction of Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 3: In general, the defensive line free agent class is not

814
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Speaker 3: very deep. It's not one that you get super excited

815
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Speaker 3: about by any stretch of the imagination. But you you

816
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Speaker 3: just mentioned those moves they made in that offseason, specifically

817
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Speaker 3: that twenty twenty offseason. Going into twenty one, they signed

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Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson to a four year, sixty million dollar deal.

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Speaker 3: They averaged fifteen million dollars a year. Can you find

820
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Speaker 3: a young, productive edge rusher who maybe hasn't been the superstar,

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Speaker 3: hasn't been the top guy, has maybe not gotten the

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Speaker 3: credit that he deserves, similar to what Trey Anderson had

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Speaker 3: gone through in New Orleans, that you can give an

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Speaker 3: offer like that. Now, it's gonna be a little bit

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Speaker 3: more expensive than four for sixty, that's how it goes

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Speaker 3: in the NFL. But that's that's the that's the mold

827
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Speaker 3: right there. You don't have to break the bank, right,

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Speaker 3: but you know how to do it without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: Now, can they put that and those pieces together going forward?

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Speaker 2: We'll try to add to those pieces with Joe Daneman

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Speaker 2: when we return on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station. It's Tuesday. You know who it is

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Speaker 2: Our guest from Fox nineteen, joe Daniman, standing by to

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Speaker 2: join us right now. Joey D, what's going on? How

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Speaker 2: are you?

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Speaker 12: Can I tell you about the best thing that happened

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Speaker 12: to me on Sunday?

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Speaker 2: Please?

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Speaker 12: I think Austin knows where I'm going with this one.

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Speaker 12: So Austin and I meet up in the press box

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Speaker 12: and we're sharing a hello, a happy New Year. And

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Speaker 12: here comes Charlie Goldsmith. Seeing Austin and I speaking to

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Speaker 12: each other. He comes up, puts his arm on each

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Speaker 12: of our shoulders, leans in in says ye, that said

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Speaker 12: Charlie Goldsmith.

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Speaker 10: I didn't know you had it in you man for

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Speaker 10: a great Sunday.

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Speaker 3: And he just walked away. It was a walk off

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Speaker 3: from Charlie. It was impressive with the walk off that's fantastic. Now,

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Speaker 3: before we get into the Bengals Joe, people wonder this

861
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Speaker 3: time of the year, the season ends, it's grueling. A

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Speaker 3: lot of people have been playing hurt, a lot of

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Speaker 3: people play through injury. You yourself, have you made it

864
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Speaker 3: through the have you made it through the season healthy?

865
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: Are you good? Are you one? As we get into

866
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: the off season.

867
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 12: Mode, I believe my designation for Sunday was probable in

868
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 12: parentheses glass in his heel.

869
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 4: So here's the story.

870
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 12: We have a glass shower door that was off one

871
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 12: of its hinges, and we called to have someone come

872
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 12: over and fix it, and he couldn't come for a

873
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 12: couple of days because it was a holiday season. Lo

874
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 12: and behold, one day later, it falls off the hinge

875
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 12: and it shatters all over the floor. So you can

876
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 12: imagine how many pieces of glass or were inside of

877
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 12: a master bedroom which has wood floors. Yeah, we sweat,

878
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 12: to be sweat, We mop knowing there would be small,

879
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 12: tiny fragments.

880
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 4: You can't get them all.

881
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 12: So, unbeknownst to me, at some point in the last

882
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 12: ten days, I stepped on a piece of glass and

883
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 12: it embedded.

884
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 7: In my heel.

885
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 12: Now you know the phrase million dollar wounds from Forrest Gump.

886
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 4: Do you step on glass in your heel? That's a

887
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 4: million dollar wound.

888
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 5: Man.

889
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 12: There's almost no nerve endings there. The whole heel is

890
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 12: calloused up.

891
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 4: It's an easy.

892
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 12: Process to deal with a small piece of glass in

893
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 12: your heel, but you have to get it done. I

894
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 12: waited until the end of the season to get the

895
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 12: procedure done. This morning, the glasses out. I'm recovering. I

896
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 12: will be ready for off season workouts in a couple

897
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 12: of months.

898
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 3: So how many nights do you have to spend in

899
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: the hospital for a procedure like that?

900
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 4: Outpatient?

901
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 10: I would get it out fifteen?

902
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: You have to wear a boot. Do you have to

903
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 2: any protective padding? They use a laser.

904
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 5: I don't.

905
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 12: I don't even have a band aid on now. The

906
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 12: doctor that came in to do the procedure brought foutures,

907
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 12: brought gaus.

908
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 4: Told me the hold.

909
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 12: Gauze asked me how I do with blond and I'm like, now,

910
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 12: wait a minute, a small.

911
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 10: Piece of glass. And then she went into mode.

912
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 12: And when she went down there with the scalpol, I

913
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 12: was confident because said, oh, this is going to be easy.

914
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 4: And she popped it right out.

915
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 10: And were to go.

916
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say, she said, yeat,

917
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 3: and then I was going to be like, wow, yeah,

918
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: Well I.

919
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 4: Would have jumped up and down.

920
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 5: Man.

921
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 10: Yeah, I would have called right into the show then

922
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 10: and interrupted programming.

923
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: Well we are. We're happy to hear that you're good

924
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: to go, because it's going to be a very eventful

925
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: and important offseason for the Cincinnati Bengals. We heard yesterday

926
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: not only uh that Zach Taylor and Duke Tobin are

927
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: going to be back from Mike Brown. Zach Taylor also

928
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 2: alluded to the fact that he doesn't expect to make

929
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 2: any staff changes. In your opinion, is that the right

930
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: way to go about this.

931
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 12: Let me say this about yesterday's pres conference with Zach Taylor,

932
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 12: and I say this with all respect to the Bengals

933
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 12: head coach. There wasn't anything he was going to say

934
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 12: yesterday that I was really interested in once we found

935
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 12: out that Duke Tobin is going to talk on Friday,

936
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 12: because there's so many questions that need to be answered,

937
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 12: need to be answered by Duke. Now, certainly there are

938
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 12: things and questions that Zach had to address. The coaching

939
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 12: changes there aren't going to be any I thought was interesting,

940
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 12: And you know, I would.

941
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 10: Still like some more.

942
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 12: Grilling of Zach Taylor on the idea of him and

943
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 12: play calling and that going forward in future years, and

944
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 12: if maybe Dan Pitcher could take over that and Zach

945
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 12: could kind of reallocate himself to more of a head

946
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 12: coaching position and less of a play calling position. But

947
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 12: that's for another day. This to me is about what

948
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 12: happens on Friday and the questions that are going to

949
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 12: be asked of Duke Tobin and the answers he's going

950
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 12: to give for what now feels like a crossroads off

951
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 12: season for this franchise, with a quarterback who seemingly felt

952
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 12: disgruntled at the end of the season and.

953
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 4: A wide receiver who at the end of.

954
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 12: The season kind of danced around questions about the future

955
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 12: of its head coach. So Zach's back, That's the way

956
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 12: it is if it were me, and I do think

957
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 12: Dak has his qualities and his positives, and I do

958
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 12: think that the Bengals can win with him, and I

959
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 12: do think they will win with him next year. But

960
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 12: if it were me, it just feels like it's time

961
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 12: for a change. You see, the energy change that can

962
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 12: come across the NFL when new head coaches are brought in.

963
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 12: I look at Chicago, I look at what New England

964
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 12: has done in less than two seasons. I look at

965
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 12: what Jacksonville has done. Those are the three ones that

966
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 12: people are pointing to is how quickly things can change

967
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 12: with a new.

968
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 4: Voice and new energy. But that's moot. Now.

969
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 12: Zach Taylor's back next season, and I think if they

970
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 12: get the roster right, certainly the Bengals have proven in

971
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 12: the past they can win with him, and I think

972
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 12: they will win with him if Duke Tobin and the

973
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 12: front office gets the roster right. Darting this off season,

974
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 12: which I think now becomes the biggest off season I

975
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 12: can remember for the Cincinnati Beagle, Well.

976
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: That's kind of my follow up. Duke and Zach are back,

977
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: the coaching staff is back, and yet it feels like,

978
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: as you just mentioned, it's the biggest offseason to date.

979
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: Where does the confidence come from that they can get

980
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: it right, because I think things change. To be honest,

981
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 2: you can go back to the twenty twenty three draft

982
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 2: class and you could start to say there are some

983
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 2: good draft picks in there, but you no longer have

984
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 2: the ability to wait three years for these draft picks

985
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five to be considered successful or not.

986
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: You're in twenty twenty six. You've got to hit on

987
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: guys immediately. So the question for me that's going to

988
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: kind of carry the off season. How how can it

989
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 2: be different if it's the same core group making the.

990
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 12: Decisions, Because that same core group does have the twenty

991
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 12: twenty one off season to point to when they got

992
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 12: it right, when they spent the money, when they didn't

993
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 12: go out and get the biggest names on the market. Instead,

994
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 12: they made a lot of very sharp, good decisions on

995
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 12: defense that built the defense that ultimately helped carry the

996
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 12: Bengals to a Super Bowl appearance and nearly a Super

997
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 12: Bowl win and then an AFC Championship appearance the next

998
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 12: year by going out and getting proven players on Sunday this.

999
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 10: Last offseason, obviously.

1000
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 12: The emphasis was drafting, developing, and then this year trying

1001
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 12: to grow those players into positions that maybe they just

1002
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 12: weren't ready for. But they now have that experience, and

1003
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 12: I think you could argue the Bengals probably have a handful,

1004
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 12: maybe five guys that you feel comfortable bringing back next

1005
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 12: year and being part of a starting defense.

1006
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 4: That will be ready to win playoff games.

1007
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 12: That means at least half the defense need to be replaced,

1008
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 12: and you're not finding that many starters in the draft.

1009
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 12: You might find one, if you're lucky, you might find two.

1010
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 12: But I'm not sure you can see to the fan

1011
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 12: base that we're going to find two rookie starters on

1012
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 12: defense in the draft.

1013
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 4: If you find a guy like a Tale Downs.

1014
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 12: A Sunny Styles, a Ruben Bain likely won't be there

1015
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 12: and you say that's the plug and play guy on

1016
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 12: day one of the defense, I think the fan base

1017
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 12: will say, yeah, sure, we buy that, But what about

1018
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 12: the other four positions?

1019
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 4: What about the.

1020
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 12: Other five positions that need to be filled with proven commodities.

1021
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 10: They did it in twenty twenty one.

1022
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 12: The Bengals have the money to spend, They have the

1023
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 12: urgency now that it's not good enough to have the

1024
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 12: recent track record of saying, okay, we try to draft

1025
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 12: six players on defense and start those players and see

1026
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 12: what they could do, and obviously it backfired and blew

1027
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 12: up in our face and we lost another year of

1028
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 12: Joe Burrow. So this offseason has to be about spending

1029
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 12: the money to find Day one starters for this defense

1030
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 12: next year, good players, competent players, proven players. That to

1031
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 12: me is what has to happen. That's the question that

1032
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 12: need to be asked of Duke Tobin. This window is

1033
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 12: unique in Cincinnati to have Joe Burrow, Jamar Chasen t Higgins.

1034
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 12: We talked about it so many times. I's unique to

1035
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 12: have this cores all in their prime, all ready to win.

1036
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,479
Speaker 12: Is it understood within the front office and for Duke

1037
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 12: Tobin personally that they have to adapt again to what

1038
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 12: is a unique scenario and change the idea of draft, develop, retain,

1039
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 12: and go out and buy some players that are going

1040
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 12: to be Day one starters for this defense next year.

1041
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 12: That has to be the emphasis. That has to be

1042
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 12: the urgency. And I hope in a small way, what

1043
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 12: Mike Brown put out this week of including Duke Tobin

1044
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 12: in that statement lights a bit of a fire for

1045
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 12: Duke Tobin to understand that has to be the path

1046
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 12: here in the off season.

1047
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I was about to ask you. Do

1048
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: you feel like him being included in that statement? Was

1049
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 3: him being put on notice? Is it grouping him and

1050
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 3: Zach together as if to say, if they don't get

1051
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 3: it done this year, the next year will be having

1052
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 3: a change. How did you perceive Duke's inclusion in the statement.

1053
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 12: My interpretation was that he's on notice, and I think

1054
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 12: they have one year to.

1055
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 4: Get this right. And what does right mean?

1056
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 12: What does that look like. I think we'll have to

1057
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 12: see it and I think we'll know when we see

1058
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 12: it in twenty twenty six whether it's right or whether

1059
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 12: it's wrong. But I do think the fact that Duke

1060
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 12: Tobin for the first time publicly has been put on

1061
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 12: notice by Mike Brown to me screens that the urgency

1062
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 12: is here, the seed is hot, it has to be

1063
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 12: done right this offseason or else. And you know, there's

1064
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 12: a lot of people listening to this that a lot

1065
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 12: of people who follow this team who won't believe the

1066
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 12: or else until they see it. But this is different.

1067
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 12: It was different to see his name in that statement.

1068
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 12: It is different for Duke Tobin to be getting in

1069
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 12: front of TV cameras and beat writers on Friday and

1070
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 12: answer a lot of questions that a lot of times

1071
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 12: he doesn't have to answer until the combine, and by then,

1072
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 12: most of the time a lot of the focus is

1073
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 12: pushing forward to what's next and not what went wrong.

1074
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 12: I think there's a forum here to really hash out

1075
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 12: what went wrong and what the plan is to do

1076
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 12: it better this coming off season. The other question is

1077
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 12: to me is why is an organization and this goes

1078
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 12: back to Mike Brown in the front office as well,

1079
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 12: an organization that's willing to change its ways in the

1080
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 12: way to do contracts and invest so much.

1081
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 4: In the Big Three they did.

1082
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 12: Why wouldn't they invest in more smart people to help

1083
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 12: Duke Tobin do his job better? Because what we saw

1084
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Speaker 12: last year in the draft and maybe also in free agency,

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00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 12: and it's not just last year, it's recent years. Is

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Speaker 12: this idea that they aren't evaluating talent well enough defensively

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00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 12: for this team to find a quick fix in one

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00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 12: off season and maybe two off seasons because we're still

1089
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 12: wondering if they can get this done now in two

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00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 12: off seasons as they look forward to this one. So

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Speaker 12: if you invest that much into those players and the

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Speaker 12: understanding that they're championship caliber players, why wouldn't you invest

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00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 12: a little bit more into smart football people who can

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Speaker 12: help you make these decisions and get it right when

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00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 12: you're dealing with millions upon millions of dollars in contracts. That,

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Speaker 12: to me is the other question that I'm curious of

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Speaker 12: Duke Tobin on Friday. Does he feel like he has

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Speaker 12: enough around him to help evaluate properly the kind of

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Speaker 12: defensive talent they need to get in here and fix

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Speaker 12: this defense overnight?

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Speaker 3: Why do you think Duke's talking now? Like what changed?

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Speaker 3: Why would he talk now as opposed to he never talks?

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Speaker 2: Why now?

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Speaker 12: It's a fascinating question, a question I've thought about, and

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00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 12: an answer I don't know that we have. I do

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00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 12: know there's been a lot of pressure put internally from

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00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 12: the folks on the Bengals beat to have this. A

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00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 12: lot of questions that Dak Taylor's been asked in the

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00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 12: last month are questions, quite honestly, that are more for

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Speaker 12: Duke Tobin and less about Dak Taylor.

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Speaker 4: And I just wonder if there's a.

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Speaker 12: Little bit of pressure from the beat put on Duke

1113
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 12: Tobin and Bengals pr to make this happen, or if

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00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 12: there's just so much pressure from the fan base, with

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00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 12: so many unanswered questions and so many people beating on

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Speaker 12: whatever social media drum they have, why can't we get

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00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 12: these questions answered. Why can't someone step in front of

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Speaker 12: a microphone and answer these questions that maybe they finally decided, okay,

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00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 12: it is time not to hide and to put someone

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Speaker 12: out there to answer some of these questions, but specifically

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Speaker 12: why now?

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Speaker 4: Why this is different? I don't know.

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Speaker 12: Maybe it goes hand in hand with Duke Tobin being

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Speaker 12: put on notice. Maybe there's a little more accountability put

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Speaker 12: on Duke Tobin by the front office here that if

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Speaker 12: he's going to be a guy that they ride or

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01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 12: die with this year, he had to be accountable for

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Speaker 12: some of the questions of why it's gone wrong here

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Speaker 12: in the last couple of years. So I think it's

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Speaker 12: going to be very interesting how Duke handles this on Friday,

1131
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 12: because while he answers a lot of questions at the Combine,

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Speaker 12: sometimes he's very guarded with those answers, and I'm curious

1133
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Speaker 12: to see if he lets his guard down and answer

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Speaker 12: some really difficult questions he's going to face on Friday.

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Speaker 2: Question that I had. It feels like the offense is

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01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 2: pretty close to being a finished product other than some

1137
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 2: depth maybe wide receiver number three. But Dalton Reisner has

1138
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 2: made it very clear he wants to be here. Wouldn't

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Speaker 2: that be the type of move that sends a message

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Speaker 2: that maybe this does feel different than years past. If

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01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: you can get that done, sure that up, and then

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01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: move on to the next thing of your list. It

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01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: feels like in the last offseasons they've been so caught

1144
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: up in you got to get the Chase deal done,

1145
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 2: got to get the Higgins deal done to Hendrickson, and

1146
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 2: then you can worry about the rest. Would it signal

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01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 2: something different to you if a Dalton Reisner deal has

1148
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 2: done soon.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's the slam dunk move to start the offseason

1150
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 12: is to get Dalton Reisner back in Cincinnati. A guy

1151
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 12: that's staying publicly over and over again. He wants to stay,

1152
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 12: and he has played some of his best football here

1153
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 12: in Cincinnati and really seemed to stabilize and jail the

1154
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 12: offensive line to play. What Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow

1155
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 12: have both said on the record is the best the

1156
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 12: offensive line has played during their time here in Cincinnati.

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01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 12: We also have just a chemistry factor. You can see

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01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 12: the burgeoning bromance between Amrius mem and Dalton Reisner. And

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01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 12: if a Marius Mimms is drafted to become one of

1160
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 12: these guys that you build around for four or five years.

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01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 12: You know, having a guy like Dalton Reisner next to him,

1162
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 12: not only on the line, but in the locker room

1163
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 12: has made a difference for Amrius Men's. He's blossomed, he's

1164
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 12: grown this year, and you're seeing exactly what the Bengals

1165
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 12: thought they could get in a guy like a Marius Men's.

1166
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 12: And I do think a lot of that has to

1167
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 12: go back to what Dalton Reiser has brought next to

1168
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 12: him and stabilizing that side of the line. To your point,

1169
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 12: Tony about sending messages and doing things different, why not

1170
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 12: approach DJ Turner right now? Why not approach Jack Hill

1171
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 12: right now? Chase Brown can sit here and have the

1172
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 12: we can have the debate about case Brown in a

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01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 12: second contract.

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01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 4: Why not approach him?

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01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 2: Kim Taylor, Brent's not doing anything for a few days.

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Speaker 10: Wow, Yeah, that's interesting.

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Speaker 12: The funny thing is none of us had a clue

1178
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 12: that was happening until today.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 12: It was funny because you know, Cam Taylor Brick did

1181
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 12: his exit interviews yesterday, and Cam's a great dude.

1182
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 4: We enjoy talking to Cam.

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01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 12: And you know he's talking about possibly a change of scenery,

1184
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 12: they're possibly coming back. And then when all the cameras

1185
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 12: turned off and the beat writers walked away, he started

1186
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,479
Speaker 12: doing like these these daphops and hugs as if to say, well,

1187
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 12: it's been see.

1188
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 4: You guys later.

1189
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 12: So we kind of understood that off the record, Cam

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01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 12: Taylor Britt really doesn't probably see a future for himself

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01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 12: in Cincinnati. I could be wrong, but that's kind of

1192
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 12: how I read that one. But to wrap up the point,

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01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 12: the idea of bringing Dalton Reisner back and then maybe

1194
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 12: rewarding some of the guys that yere earlier than you

1195
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 12: did and stop waiting, maybe that sends a message too

1196
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 12: that this is going to be a different offseason as well.

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01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 12: And I think that goes back to some of the

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01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 12: change that Joe Burrow was talking about late in the season.

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Speaker 2: It is it's going to be a fascinating offseason. But

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Speaker 2: for you at Fox nineteen, just because football is done,

1201
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 2: the work is never done, especially now that you are

1202
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 2: off the injurine list. You're healthy, What does that mean?

1203
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 2: What's next? What do you got going on at Fox nineteen.

1204
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 12: So we transition now from Sunday Nights Bengals breakdown at

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Speaker 12: eleven thirty Now transitions to the Cincinnati Sports Show is back.

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Speaker 12: We're still waiting on Tony and Austin's first appearance on

1207
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 12: the CSS. We're still waiting for Tony and Austin's first

1208
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 12: appearance at Bengals.

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01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:07,959
Speaker 13: Now.

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01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 12: Our last Bengal show, Guys, was off the hook standing

1211
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 12: room only for Andrea Yoshibos in week eighteen, and I

1212
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 12: kept looking across the crowd. Even my wife and some

1213
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 12: of my kids came, and I still can't find Tony

1214
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 12: and Austin. So I'm putting it out here now next year,

1215
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 12: season three of Bengals. Now, I need one appearance from

1216
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 12: Tony and Austin at Bengals.

1217
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 10: Now.

1218
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 4: Can I be guaranteed one time next year?

1219
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 2: I can't guarantee.

1220
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 3: I can't speak for Tony because he's very flaky, but

1221
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 3: for me personally, I will be there.

1222
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 2: Yes, I guarantee it. It's a guarantee standing.

1223
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 4: That's all I want.

1224
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 2: It's a guarantee.

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01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 10: It's a guarantee.

1226
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, it's known forever.

1227
01:04:56,080 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 2: I'm in and I wonder how much the healing uh stop?

1228
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 2: This was there a plan before the heel injury to

1229
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 2: head to Morgantown for tonight's game. Oh wow, there was not.

1230
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Speaker 12: The next big trip for the Fox nineteen Sports Department

1231
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 12: will be a trip to spring training. Oh so, we've

1232
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 12: got a big meeting this week to try to start

1233
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 12: lining up the dates when we're going out to talk

1234
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 12: to the Cincinnati Reds in Goodyear, Arizona.

1235
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 10: About the twenty twenty six season.

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01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 4: Fun times Man.

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Speaker 3: Joe is the leader of the Fox nineteen Sports department.

1238
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 3: How important is it, you know, with Jeremy and Gabby

1239
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 3: and Reagan and now Charlie and yourself and Austin and

1240
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 3: so many others to have chemistry depart chemistry?

1241
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 2: How important is chemistry?

1242
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 12: Do you think chemistry matters? But talent matters more than chemistry,

1243
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 12: And a good leader isn't afraid to have more talented

1244
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 12: people on his staff than himself.

1245
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 5: Right.

1246
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 10: The smartest leaders say.

1247
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 12: They surround people with people who are smarter than themselves.

1248
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 12: And that's what I've done. I've got more talented people

1249
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 12: around me than myself. So I feel comfortable every single

1250
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 12: day going into work understanding that yes, chemistry matters.

1251
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 4: Yes, I have to.

1252
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 12: Kind of see the world through the eyes of a

1253
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 12: young woman in her mid twenties when I'm forty five

1254
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 12: years old and don't even understand how to use technology

1255
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 12: at the time on my phone. But they help me,

1256
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 12: and the fact that they're very talented on television makes

1257
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 12: me think very good about the chemistry and my source to.

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01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 2: Chemistry and continuity. Ever ever, a thought, Joda, maybe to

1259
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 2: prolong the injury a little bit, maybe you know, get

1260
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 2: a bell something for the home that you could have

1261
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 2: help with all the wife and kids.

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01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 12: The first thing my wife said to me is she said,

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01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 12: are you able to run? I said, yeah, I'm able

1264
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 12: to run. So she expects me to get back out

1265
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 12: on the streets here after this phone call and knock

1266
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 12: out a quick four miles back to work.

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01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 2: Dang quick four miles, get after a Dannaman.

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01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 4: Nobody cares work harder man.

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01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 2: Yes, preach well, said Joe. Preach Joe. Thanks so much

1270
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 2: for your time. Have a great day. See pal.

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01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeait Joe Daniman Fox nineteen Always a pleasure. He's not kidding.

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01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 3: Charlie comes up to us. We're in the middle of

1273
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 3: a conversation. He just says, yeat and walks away.

1274
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 2: So, good man, Charlie Goldsmith, we will return with your talkbacks.

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01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 2: That happens next on the Home of the Bengals ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 14: Hey, Alexa, it's that time for talkbacks.

1278
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 15: Press the microphone and record your message for Austin in tone.

1279
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 2: Please keep it clean and don't be mean.

1280
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 15: And a sprinkle sprinkle, drip drips.

1281
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 2: It's that time for talkbacks.

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01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 15: It's our favorite parter sinc. Three sixty. So Austin, buddy,

1283
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 15: play those bunkbacks on your screen at pleas writing not

1284
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 15: to sabotage.

1285
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 2: All right, we have reached the talkback portion of today's show. Again,

1286
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: if you're leaving a talk back today or any time

1287
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 2: this week, give us your version of what you'd like

1288
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin to have to answer on Friday or any

1289
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 2: other talkback you'd like to leave. It's your world. We're

1290
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 2: just living in it. We're living in it.

1291
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 14: This is DJ hearing of Soursby's five million dollar contract

1292
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 14: in Shamba's supplying for six year of eligibility. It just

1293
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 14: highlights what a sham college sports is and especially that

1294
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 14: education really doesn't matter at all. And it makes me

1295
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 14: reflect that had Tony Pike had this situation when he

1296
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,919
Speaker 14: was at U. See we might not have the benefit

1297
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 14: of the silver tongue fountain of knowledge that we get

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01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 14: to enjoy on the radio every day.

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01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 2: The silver tongue fountain of knowledge I might have to

1300
01:08:54,840 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 2: go with that I don't have. Has anything become more

1301
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 2: obsolete Austin than college programs using graduation rate in recruiting.

1302
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 2: You never hear about graduation rate anymore. No one, No

1303
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 2: one cares anymore. You can't care. I mean, John Calipari

1304
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 2: talked about that last week. No one's talking about this.

1305
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 2: No one cares. If these kids are graduating, They're just

1306
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 2: going to three or four different schools over four years.

1307
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 2: What would you have done, because you you weren't planning

1308
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: on getting into radio.

1309
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 3: If I had that money, not like yeah, if you

1310
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 3: had that money, but like, man, I don't know what

1311
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 3: would you might have Like what was the potential other path?

1312
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,799
Speaker 2: Originally teaching? Really yeah, I wanted to get into teaching,

1313
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 2: thank god he didn't. And coaching at some level, my goodness,

1314
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,560
Speaker 2: can you imagine me to English class.

1315
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 3: What if Scott Saderfield offered you a job on the staff.

1316
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 3: What's the job about coaching? What's the job time? Well,

1317
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 3: you know how it is with coaching you got to

1318
01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 3: start at the bottom. I'm out, Jesus.

1319
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 15: I'm not.

1320
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go from the golden tongued silver

1321
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 2: fox on the You're at the bottom right now here.

1322
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 2: But I'm also not going to go and just start

1323
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 2: checking white. I'm at the bottom. I'm not gonna go

1324
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 2: and start shagging coffee for coaches. What's wrong with that?

1325
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 2: Not doing it?

1326
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 3: If you are better, maybe whoever's doing it now maybe

1327
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 3: not as good.

1328
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 2: They want to bring me in as d C. I'll

1329
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 2: take that job right now. It takes you got to

1330
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 2: get your foot in the door. Dude.

1331
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 3: If those guys are well caffeinated, then they start to

1332
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 3: respect you. Next thing, you know, you drop a well

1333
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 3: I think you might be able to do this or

1334
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 3: do that, and then you have pelts on the wall.

1335
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 3: You're not just some regular old coffee guy.

1336
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 2: Let me tell you this, Bill O'Brien wouldn't know what

1337
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 2: to do if I was coaching this defense in game

1338
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 2: one next year. You can't coach defense. I know defense.

1339
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 3: Bill O'Brien and the winless Boston College roll in in

1340
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 3: Knippert Stadium to start the season next year, and I

1341
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 3: don't think I've ever been more confident in a BC

1342
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 3: winning my life based on the current construction of the Bearcats.

1343
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 16: Some questions for Duke on Friday? Okay, how are season

1344
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 16: ticket renewals coming in? Have there been any discussions with

1345
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 16: Zach about giving up play calling? Has there been any

1346
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 16: thought to putting a game situation coach in the booth

1347
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 16: to help with timeouts and clock management. Joe and Jamar

1348
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 16: have openly expressed frustration with the front office. What is

1349
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 16: your role in facilitating resolutions to those frustrations?

1350
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 2: I love that question.

1351
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 3: What's your role in facilitating resolutions to those frustrations?

1352
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 2: Jeff, I love all those questions. Is crazy, those were fantastic.

1353
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna steal that. I'm gonna be I'm looking for

1354
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 2: facilitation of resolutions to a lot of frustrations copy paste.

1355
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 17: Hey, I'm up here working in Miami's Burg for some reason,

1356
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 17: in uh Miami's Burg Centerville Road and got anything about

1357
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,719
Speaker 17: Chick Ludwig and all the chick magnets probably up here,

1358
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 17: and I swear there must be a lot of them,

1359
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 17: because there was a sign that said Cheeks Gentlemen's Club and.

1360
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: They got me thinking too.

1361
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 17: With the renovation of Hay Corps. You know, why don't

1362
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 17: we just rename the club seats the Cheeks Gentlemen club

1363
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 17: Seat section.

1364
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 2: I think that would be a nice little nod to

1365
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 2: how they're running the team right now. Interesting, I gotta

1366
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 2: ask you something about our god, Chick Ludwe can we

1367
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 2: save that for later? Okay, I think that's a whole segment. Okay, personally,

1368
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 2: I don't know whether his mental was, but yes, the

1369
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 2: Miamisburg War Room, as he calls his home is. That's

1370
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 2: the funniest thing Chick has ever said.

1371
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,919
Speaker 18: So here, we have an organization that has fifteen years

1372
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 18: of history. We've had Hall of famers come and go.

1373
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 18: We have currently on the roster players that are of

1374
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 18: Hall of Fame caliber. We've got coaching staff and ownership

1375
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 18: and all this administration that combined have over a century

1376
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 18: of experience. Yet our voice of reason, our savior, our

1377
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 18: soap box standard is an early two thousand pop star.

1378
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 13: Man.

1379
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 2: I believe that would be referring to Nickolache's outbursts. Dear God,

1380
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 2: who cares what Nicholache says? Dude is not going to

1381
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 2: be ruler of the jungle anytime soon. Well, then I.

1382
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 18: Guess God bless you, Nickolache for having the stones to

1383
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,839
Speaker 18: say what our owner himself could not say the day before.

1384
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 18: At this point, I will follow anyone who will lead

1385
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 18: us to a Lombardy man.

1386
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 19: Nicola here, good, hey, Duke, SpongeBob here, Okay, good question

1387
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 19: for you.

1388
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 2: Why are you the way that you are? The old

1389
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 2: Michael Michael Scott.

1390
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 19: Gosh, Tony, check this out. My wife says she saw

1391
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 19: you in Memphis. She was down there visiting friends, and

1392
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 19: funny story. She's in her pajamas in her hotel room,

1393
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,759
Speaker 19: and then she said, the door opens and there stands

1394
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 19: Tony Pike there, you know, and there was a mix

1395
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 19: up and and she said you were a perfect gentleman.

1396
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,799
Speaker 19: You excuse yourself. And I just thought that was funny.

1397
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 2: Well down there visiting friends. Yep, thank you. I don't know, independence, duke.

1398
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 20: Do you hold yourself accountable for the overall roster construction

1399
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 20: and performance of that said roster of the last several years?

1400
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 20: And do you grade yourself on the performance of that

1401
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 20: roster at the end of each season, and if so,

1402
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,719
Speaker 20: could you provide us with what those grades were?

1403
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 2: Thank you? Wow?

1404
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 21: Interesting, Happy to day everybody. Yes, congratulations, said a cowboy.

1405
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 21: That's a great honor for him and Tony thanks again

1406
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 21: yesterday for sharing that hotel story.

1407
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 13: There.

1408
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:53,799
Speaker 21: My mind definitely went to that place of those commercials

1409
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 21: where his backup qbs were being subbed in to do

1410
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 21: the job properly, take.

1411
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 2: Care of everybody, call in the back up. That was funny, Tony.

1412
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 22: And Austin Ray from Cleeves with what Mike Brown said yesterday.

1413
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 22: Is he absolutely just so stubborn that he refuses to

1414
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 22: get rid of Duke Tobin? What is he looking at

1415
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 22: that makes him say he thinks he's up for the

1416
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,959
Speaker 22: job when history seems to be proven that he's totally inept.

1417
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 22: Does he actually think that we Bengals fans are that

1418
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 22: stupid that we believe in I just don't understand your thoughts.

1419
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 2: I don't understand a lot of it.

1420
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 23: Hey, guys, Jeff and Indy. This Cam Taylor britt situation,

1421
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 23: reading a little bit more about it happened after the

1422
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,919
Speaker 23: Jags game. Funny story. We're walking back to our hotel

1423
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 23: and my wife goes, is that Cam Taylor Britt am

1424
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 23: like a sports car or something? Sure as heck was.

1425
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 23: And that's the day he got arrested for reckless driving.

1426
01:15:58,360 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 23: So Cam, we'll see you next week.

1427
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 24: Dang Hey guys, Jeff new Richmond, Happy Tuesday to you.

1428
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:09,799
Speaker 2: So as far as the Duke.

1429
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 24: Toobin press conference on Friday, I'm looking for a few things.

1430
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 24: I'm looking to see if it's a controlled environment, are

1431
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 24: there questions there are going to be off limits before

1432
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 24: he even walks in the door. And I'm curious to

1433
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 24: see how he answers questions. Is he going to act

1434
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 24: like a guy who is truly on the hot seat,

1435
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 24: knowing that he's got one year to get this right.

1436
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. Do you think they would come in

1437
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 2: like before, like, hey, we're not going to ask these questions?

1438
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 2: Or is it open?

1439
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,719
Speaker 3: I don't think the Bengals have the right to say

1440
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 3: something is off off.

1441
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,719
Speaker 2: They're going to make him available. This is what comes

1442
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 2: with it.

1443
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they might say, hey, we're not going to talk

1444
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 3: about Cam Taylor Britt in the legal situation, which that

1445
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 3: might be fair, sure, But I don't know that you

1446
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 3: can I don't know that you can say anything else

1447
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 3: is off topic or of high energy how.

1448
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 2: We dupe dupe, dupe, dupe, duke a loup duke. Do

1449
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 2: you feel that the overall layt.

1450
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 25: He's shown to you by the Blackburn and Brown family

1451
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 25: has weakened your hunger to perform your duties at a

1452
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 25: high level. Lack of days ago construction of this incompetent roster,

1453
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 25: do you.

1454
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if that'll be asked. Hm, Hey Austin,

1455
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 2: Hey Tony Paul from Cleaves here.

1456
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 26: Uh, my question for you guys, since you guys are

1457
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 26: actually in the media, how many legitimate questions do you

1458
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 26: think Duke Tobin's gonna actually get that people really want

1459
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 26: the answers to.

1460
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 2: I was wondering that. I'm curious about that.

1461
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 26: I mean, are these are these questions going to be

1462
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 26: pre screened before he has to actually answer them, or

1463
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 26: he's just.

1464
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 2: Gonna be, you know, straight questions. I don't think it's

1465
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 2: gonna be pre screens, but I am fascinated, like how

1466
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 2: long it would go on Friday? Well, I think there's

1467
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 2: a different questions are going to be had.

1468
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 3: I think there's a difference between how long it's gonna

1469
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 3: go or in in Paul's term, here, how many questions

1470
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 3: legitimate questions Duke is actually gonna get that the people

1471
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 3: want answers to. I think he'll get plenty of those

1472
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 3: questions I do too now to kind of go back

1473
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 3: to the other one. Maybe uh, maybe the Bengals will say, hey,

1474
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 3: you got fifteen minutes, Hey you got twenty minutes. I

1475
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 3: don't know, whatever it might be. Then it'll, you know,

1476
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 3: we'll see what happens there. But I think Zach yesterday

1477
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 3: twenty eight almost twenty nine minutes, so I guess it's possible. Yeah,

1478
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 3: but with them, they're gonna talk to Duke again next

1479
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 3: month at the Combine, so I don't know if it'll

1480
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 3: be a full thirty minutes.

1481
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, right. I believe it when I see it.

1482
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 27: Rep in the city up, Tony, What up out of yo,

1483
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 27: Mike Brown Man, Come on, I believe when.

1484
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 2: I see it. Man, I heard your letter. I read

1485
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 2: your letter.

1486
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 5: Man.

1487
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 27: Whatever prove us wrong, show us something. If Zach Andham

1488
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 27: ain't do anyth right, get them out the door. Speaking

1489
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 27: of getting them out the door, yo, Wes, it's time

1490
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 27: to go pack his bags up. Same coach that with him.

1491
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 27: I want to do another rebuild. Can't do this with

1492
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 27: this coach. He deserves to get booed, but he shouldn't.

1493
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 27: But man, it's over.

1494
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 2: You guys. Jeff and New Richmond.

1495
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 24: Hey, I wanted to chime in about the Duke Tobin stuff.

1496
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 24: First of all, I think we have to set the

1497
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 24: over under on how long this press conference will last

1498
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 24: on Friday, half hour, you think. And then who's going

1499
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 24: to be the hardest hitting reporter? I would say it's

1500
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 24: probably going to be Trags. You know, he's been very critical.

1501
01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gotta be Tracks.

1502
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Trags is kind of like the president of

1503
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 3: the Pro Football Writers Association this season. So uh, whether

1504
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 3: it's a banana shirt or chirping with Zach, Drags is

1505
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 3: led from the front.

1506
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 2: Trags is the one that what happens that they don't

1507
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 2: get to talk to to Duke now they do, Hey.

1508
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 22: Guys, Parker from the Groove.

1509
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 28: On the broadcast Sunday, there was.

1510
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:30,799
Speaker 29: A statement made that said he won't get any votes,

1511
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 29: but he definitely should get vote for defensive for Rookie

1512
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 29: Player of the Year in regards to Demetrius Knight. I

1513
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 29: don't know where the what exactly are we missing with

1514
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:44,799
Speaker 29: that statement on the broadcast?

1515
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 2: Was that on TV? Yeah? Oh, I didn't obviously didn't

1516
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 2: get to hear. I think that was probably the the

1517
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 2: the broadcasters in their meeting with who did that?

1518
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 3: Al Golden or Duke Tobin who is on the game.

1519
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 3: I don't know who it was, but it was standby.

1520
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 3: It was said, and I know Tom McCarthy was the

1521
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 3: play by play guy.

1522
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if like one of the coaches brought

1523
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 2: it up and they just went with it without even

1524
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 2: watching the tape as Tom McCarthy and Logan Ryan. But

1525
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 2: it was said.

1526
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 3: If it was if it was Logan Ryan, I can

1527
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 3: understand because he said some really dumb stuff this year.

1528
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:23,759
Speaker 11: It was said, Wow, what's up guys Bick, Cahoune and Kentucky.

1529
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 30: It kind of slipped my mind yesterday, but I really

1530
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 30: like what the Reds did getting this JJ ble today.

1531
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 30: I'm always I always like getting a high draft pick

1532
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 30: that's flamed out somewhere. I think he's gonna come in

1533
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 30: and have a Josh Hamilton UH type impact on the

1534
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 30: Rigs and then it's gonna be good to get Eric

1535
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 30: all back in the tight end room. But can they

1536
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 30: please get rid of Drew Sample. I'm tired of seeing

1537
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 30: that guy on the team.

1538
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going Eric Allway was drafted to be the

1539
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 3: replacement of Drew Sample.

1540
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 2: I'm going back it was Demetrius Knight being described as

1541
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 2: an outstanding rookie and talked about his Rookie of the

1542
01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: Year in the same sentence. Was not something I would

1543
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 2: expect who said that? This was just on Twitter? Okay,

1544
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 2: we got to find out what time was that tweeted?

1545
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 2: From different people? What time? I don't know. I'm gonna

1546
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 2: look at the tweet and tap on the tweet. Give

1547
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 2: me the timestamp.

1548
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 3: Well, this one was yesterday, so that would have been

1549
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 3: just after halftime.

1550
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 2: We're gonna find it. Okay, all right, I'll look into this.

1551
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 24: Hey guys, it's Jeff real quick. I wanted to ask you, guys,

1552
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 24: what you thought the atmosphere will be like on Friday.

1553
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 24: Will it be very controlled where there will be questions

1554
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 24: that will be off limits period that he will not answer.

1555
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:46,600
Speaker 24: And if so, you know, how will his demeanor be.

1556
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 24: Will he feel very comfortable? Will he feel like a

1557
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 24: guy that's on the hot seat?

1558
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 2: Let me know, I think it'll be the same demeanor

1559
01:22:56,240 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 2: of Duke Tobin. We always get, Yeah, what happened Cam Taylor?

1560
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 2: Brit makes sense.

1561
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 31: He hasn't had coverage on or off the field all year.

1562
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, good conversation.

1563
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,719
Speaker 32: Mike values continuity of people and loyalty over continuity of winning.

1564
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,799
Speaker 32: If they prioritize that continuity of winning, they would realize

1565
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 32: that change and adaptation is a key tool to success. Instead,

1566
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,560
Speaker 32: Mike's antiquated philosophy of holding on to the pass and

1567
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 32: unsuccessful people and methods breeds a mediocrity and contentment and

1568
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 32: filters down to his coaches, and consequently you get Zach

1569
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 32: toned the line and he lacks the cajones to stand

1570
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 32: up to Mike and say this isn't the way to

1571
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 32: do it. Unfortunately, these are sports talk topics instead of

1572
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 32: who we face in the playoffs and how to beat them.

1573
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 2: And antiquated was a big word in that. I think

1574
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, I know some of that

1575
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 2: is not true.

1576
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 33: Tony Austin, thanks for the opportunity to say my piece.

1577
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,759
Speaker 33: I am really looking forward to Friday. I'm a forty

1578
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 33: seven year old Bengals fan. It kind of feels like

1579
01:23:55,800 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 33: I've been waiting twenty years for this moment. So Charlie,

1580
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 33: Paul and Trags get your a game on, boys. We

1581
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 33: need you with your venom and to get Duke on Friday.

1582
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 2: No, nobody's trying to get Duke.

1583
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 10: No.

1584
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 2: I think by that it's we want a hard question.

1585
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 2: People are trying to get answers, ask the hard question.

1586
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 2: Nobody's trying to make a fool out of Duke or

1587
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 2: anything like that. It's just, Hey, this guy's gonna talk.

1588
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 2: We have questions.

1589
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 15: Hello, this is former President Ronald Reagan. And well, I'm

1590
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 15: I'm down with Zach Taylor and all the coaches returning.

1591
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 15: They're legit. In fact, Duke Tobin yet that doesn't bother

1592
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 15: me either. He seems legit too. The whole process is

1593
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:41,600
Speaker 15: legit with the Bengals. In fact, the whole operation of

1594
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 15: the Bengals is as legit as Joe Danniman's heel injury.

1595
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 15: It's as legit as a Somalian daycare center in Minneapolis.

1596
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 15: It's legit, man, It's legit.

1597
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 5: Brother.

1598
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 13: And I'll like to know what any of the reporters

1599
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:05,680
Speaker 13: could just say to Duke Toban or Zach Taylor. This

1600
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:09,679
Speaker 13: defense was trending to be the worst in the NFL history.

1601
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 13: Now they're the ones that put them on the field.

1602
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 13: How could they justify keeping both of these players? I

1603
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 13: don't get it, exact we're trending in the right way.

1604
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're not. Hopefully they're not believing that they're

1605
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 2: trending in the right way. All right.

1606
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 28: I've got a draft slash free agency question. We need

1607
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 28: starters veteran presence at nearly every position on the defense.

1608
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,879
Speaker 28: Where is it most important to have a veteran presence

1609
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 28: come in?

1610
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 2: Is it d line? Is it safety? Middle, linebacker?

1611
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 13: Edge?

1612
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,680
Speaker 28: I see my dress where r vel Reese could even

1613
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 28: drop to us. We're downs Peter Woods, Bane junior. Maybe

1614
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 28: obviously that would affect which one we're gonna pick, But

1615
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:55,719
Speaker 28: where's the veteran really needed the most?

1616
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 2: I think veteran presence you think of who's got the

1617
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 2: green down on the helmet at linebacker and the back

1618
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 2: end of the defense making sure everything in front is

1619
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 2: the right way at safety, I think those are the

1620
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 2: two key spots. You need talent everywhere. But if you're

1621
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,959
Speaker 2: talking about the leader, I would see that at linebacker

1622
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 2: or safety. I agree.

1623
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 3: I think the draft there's a pretty good chance you

1624
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 3: mentioned Peter Woods. That's one that makes a lot of

1625
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 3: sense to me for the Bengals from that interior, especially

1626
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 3: and with bj Hill getting older and Jenkins and Jackson

1627
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 3: have really not proven to be anything, and the lack

1628
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,599
Speaker 3: of depth in that position in free agency just feels

1629
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 3: like that's probably where they're leaning right now in the draft.

1630
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 3: And I know they were going to try to draft

1631
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 3: Walter Nolan last year before he got picked right ahead

1632
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 3: of them, So feels like they're going in that direction.

1633
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 3: And then you got a supplement like they did in

1634
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 3: the twenty one offseason von Bell Von Bell was the

1635
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 3: year before, but then you get Mike Hilton and Chiita

1636
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 3: bay A, Woozia and so on.

1637
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 34: Hey, Tony, I think what a lot of the local

1638
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 34: pundits are missing is that in twenty two one, the

1639
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 34: NFL salary cap went down by eight percent. It was

1640
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,959
Speaker 34: because of the COVID years, So that meant the Bengals

1641
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 34: were one of the few teams in a position to

1642
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 34: be able to sign free agents, and they were able

1643
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 34: to get away with signing them without guaranteeing second and

1644
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 34: third year years in their contracts. So everybody who's saying

1645
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 34: twenty twenty one is the blueprint for this year, they're

1646
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 34: just wrong about that. Other teams are going to compete

1647
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 34: and beat the Bengals.

1648
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 3: Well, the Bengals have never guaranteed contracts past in years

1649
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 3: two and three, So that's not abnormal.

1650
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 2: Collect call from Hamilton County just the center. Cool, Tony, Nope.

1651
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 35: Hi, guys, great show today. Well you sure have been

1652
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 35: covering the gambit on the Bengals and a lot of

1653
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 35: thought provoking issues coming up. So we'll see what happens.

1654
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 35: I'm really anxious to hear what Duke Tobin has to

1655
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 35: say in his interview this week. So yeah, and uh, also,

1656
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 35: I gotta say, I don't think I'm gonna be watching

1657
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 35: the Kentucky Wildcats much more or any men's college basketball.

1658
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 4: It's boring.

1659
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 2: Wow, Mark Pope better figure it out.

1660
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 4: Uh.

1661
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 35: Oh, play back, Tony. I don't think he said the

1662
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 35: silver tongued fox.

1663
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, any.

1664
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 35: Tonny, Tonny Toney, does Johnny Boy Cunningham confide in you

1665
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 35: on those long allegianair playing rides across the country to

1666
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 35: watch you the clipping football get kick?

1667
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 30: So what happens?

1668
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 4: Does he say? You know, Tony, we can't compete.

1669
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 24: We can't compete with the big boys in college athletic.

1670
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 24: Maybe hopefully someday the pack will come back to us

1671
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:56,799
Speaker 24: and then and then we can raise a banner.

1672
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 2: I haven't had those conversations. Hey, down here in Maysville, Kentucky.

1673
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 21: Just wanted to say, it doesn't matter what you asked,

1674
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 21: Duke Tobin, He's not going to give you any answers

1675
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:08,639
Speaker 21: on Friday anyway.

1676
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:11,639
Speaker 3: Couple of example, Like Duke the last couple of years

1677
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 3: has been pretty forthcoming, right, get your own t Higgins.

1678
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 3: We're not in the business of trading. We're not in

1679
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,839
Speaker 3: the business of helping other teams. The twenty one offseason,

1680
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 3: he said, We're not gonna sit on our hands like

1681
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 3: It's not like he's He's all coach speak all the time.

1682
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 36: Duke, the fan base needs to know do you prefer

1683
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:37,719
Speaker 36: the Bengal head logo leaping Tiger? Also, also what color

1684
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 36: socks and pants combination is your favorite? That's what the

1685
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 36: fans really want to know.

1686
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 3: That would be a great opening question that he would

1687
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 3: have no idea what to say or like not expecting.

1688
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 2: I'll imagine that would be the build up to that

1689
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 2: on Friday and not being the first question.

1690
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 3: Dude, what's your preferred logo? Do you like the head,

1691
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 3: the leaping tiger or the bee.

1692
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:02,680
Speaker 37: The one thing I would ask dude is has there

1693
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 37: been any conversations between you Mike Brown and Katie Blackburn,

1694
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 37: just to give you the gn title so we can

1695
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 37: put a title on that job so someone can finally fight.

1696
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 2: Wow, Duke, what do you think of the billboards?

1697
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 10: It's the seven since tis.

1698
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 4: My first question is Duke would be why do you suck?

1699
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 10: Oh?

1700
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:28,759
Speaker 2: Wow, Josh.

1701
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 4: My second question is because you suck?

1702
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 12: What makes you think you're gonna stop sucking this year?

1703
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 2: That's all I'd ask. Do your job media, Thank you, sir. Wow.

1704
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 12: My first question for Duke would be did you order

1705
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 12: The Gold Runs?

1706
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 3: That's a reference I don't get, but it must be

1707
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:52,400
Speaker 3: funny a show from Casey here.

1708
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 31: I think people maybe have built up Friday a little

1709
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 31: too much. As far as this Duke Tobin talking to

1710
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 31: the media, does anybody think any honest or real answers

1711
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 31: are gonna come out of it? Nope, it'll be the

1712
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 31: same old thing. It'll sound just like Zach Taylor sounds

1713
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:11,440
Speaker 31: and all of his press conferences.

1714
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 2: By the way, did you order the Code Red? The

1715
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 2: Timeless Movie of a Few Good Men with Tom Cruise

1716
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 2: and Jack Nicholas Nicholson.

1717
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 5: Tony, Tommy Ach and mister Gilmore.

1718
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:26,799
Speaker 15: Tony.

1719
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 17: My question, Duke Tobin would be duke, are you having fun?

1720
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 4: And then do not ask?

1721
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 2: Balling ain't easy?

1722
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 15: Where he was on January sixth and twenty.

1723
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 3: Twenty at the anniversary bawling, Oh man, okay, we're done.

1724
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break. I'm assuming one segment

1725
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 2: to get us to our three. It's gonna be one.

1726
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:55,719
Speaker 2: It's uh. Since he three show Man on ESPN fifteen

1727
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Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: Since he three sixty continues, Wow on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, end of our number two. Well on since

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Speaker 2: the three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks

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Speaker 3: I have something for you, please for we got a

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01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 3: couple of minutes here. Did you see the news about

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01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 3: the athletics no being denied the copyright in the patent

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Speaker 3: for Las Vegas?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 3: So the United States Copyright and Patent Office or whatever

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01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 3: it is, don't quote me on that.

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01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 2: I don't know this official term.

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01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:49,719
Speaker 3: But the athletics applied for Vegas Athletics and Las Vegas

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01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 3: Athletics and they were denied. Wow, they have been denied

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01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 3: trademarks for those two terms by the US Patent and

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01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 3: Trademark Office. So if you remember all of last year,

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01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:05,480
Speaker 3: they were just athletics. They didn't have a city obviously,

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01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 3: being in Sacramento. I don't know why Baseball was not

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01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 3: calling them that, but whatever. So as of now, and

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01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 3: I guess into the future, at least for the time being,

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01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 3: they will remain that way. Really, so, I'm assuming someone

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01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 3: else has already patented it and trademarked it. And I

1750
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 3: don't know how long that lasts, but pretty funny someone's

1751
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 3: ahead of the curve. It would be really funny if

1752
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 3: it was someone from Oakland, right, But yeah.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get down with three. Here's what we got.

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01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 2: I want more on the NFL playoffs. We'll look ahead

1755
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 2: some possible NFL awards. There are extension options for a

1756
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 2: couple of different Bengals, as Kelsey Conway highlighted today from

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01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 2: Cincinnati dot Com that we can dive into, and Austin

1758
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 2: a little college basketball, a couple of local teams in

1759
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 2: auction tonight, a couple of local teams in auction tomorrow,

1760
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 2: local teams in action on Friday. We'll talk about the

1761
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 2: Bearcats heading to Morgantown, and we'll do so with hearing

1762
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Speaker 2: a little of what West Miller had to say after

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01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 2: the Houston loss. All of that happens. To kick off

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Speaker 2: our three. We'll add some phone calls as well. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. It is Cincy three sixty on the Home

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Speaker 2: of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 14: I'm Stephen Curry and this.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: All right, here we go our number three, Cincy three

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Speaker 2: sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. We'll get

1775
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 2: back to the Bengals in just a few moments. We'll

1776
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 2: also get to your phone calls here in this hour

1777
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 2: after the first segment. So let's dive into this now, Austin.

1778
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 2: We have a lot of local basketball coming up, as

1779
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 2: is the case now as you get into January. Friday night,

1780
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 2: NKU travels to Milwaukee. That is the next game for

1781
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 2: the Norse from NKU games happening tonight. Western Michigan travels

1782
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 2: to Miami undefeated. Miami.

1783
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 3: You gotta watch out for those Michigan teams, Eastern, Western, Central,

1784
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 3: all of them.

1785
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 2: Miami's up to like number thirty, just outside the AP

1786
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 2: top twenty five. How are they not ranked yet? I

1787
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 2: don't get it. Everything I heard like, well, they're going

1788
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 2: to slip up against Okron. They beat Ackron every test

1789
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:47,640
Speaker 2: they've had, They've passed another one. Uh to continue their

1790
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 2: undefeated Street happens tonight and uh obviously U see at

1791
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 2: West Virginia tonight. We'll talk about that in a moment. Also,

1792
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 2: the sixth rinth Duke Blue Devils travel to the Young

1793
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 2: Center to take on the twentieth rank Louisville Cardinals tonight

1794
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 2: and then of course tomorrow Missouri at Kentucky. Mark Pope

1795
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 2: squad tries to get back at it after a terrible

1796
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 2: loss against Alabama, and Xavier, coming off a loss against DePaul,

1797
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:16,799
Speaker 2: will travel to Marquette and take on the Golden Eagles tomorrow.

1798
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Speaker 2: As it relates to the Cincinnati Bengal or the Cincinnati Bearcats,

1799
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 2: they're coming off their latest loss to the Houston Cougars,

1800
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 2: and I say latest loss because that's been the case

1801
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 2: every time Wes Miller has played against Houston. You know,

1802
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 2: Houston coach Kelvin Sampson after the game even went on

1803
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:39,680
Speaker 2: to say that, you know, the Cincinnati Bearcats at one

1804
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:42,559
Speaker 2: point were a bell cow in college basketball, and of

1805
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 2: course those things change. I think a backhanded way of saying,

1806
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 2: it's not the same Cincinnati team that you're used to

1807
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 2: playing when you come into fifth third arena. Here are

1808
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 2: my brief thoughts on what I witnessed Saturday, and I'll

1809
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:59,559
Speaker 2: get your thoughts to bounce them off. Here Austin, you're

1810
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:03,640
Speaker 2: gonna hear what Wes Miller had to say in the

1811
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:05,840
Speaker 2: postgame in just a few minutes, you're gonna hear him

1812
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 2: talk about how hard the team played Austin, in year

1813
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 2: five of being the head coach of a program, should

1814
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 2: playing hard have to be highlighted after a game? No,

1815
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 2: there should not be a prerequisite. It's like waking up

1816
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 2: in the morning and brushing your teeth. Everybody should do

1817
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 2: it every game. You should play hard. Yes, it shouldn't

1818
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 2: be celebrated just because you do play hard for a game.

1819
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 2: If the Bearcats would have played with the same intensity

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01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 2: that they played with against Houston, they would have probably

1821
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:44,719
Speaker 2: beat Xavier, they would have surely surely beat Eastern Michigan.

1822
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 2: Because here's the issue with what the loss that Houston

1823
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 2: brings Austin. If the loss at Houston was this team's

1824
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 2: fourth loss of the season, maybe even their third loss

1825
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 2: of the season, it wouldn't be nearly as devastating. If

1826
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,760
Speaker 2: UC would have taken care of business against Xavier and

1827
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:08,559
Speaker 2: Eastern Michigan, and you see's losses out of conference would

1828
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 2: be to a top twenty Georgia team, a top twenty

1829
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 2: five Clemson team, and a twentieth ranked Louisville team. You

1830
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 2: could survive that. When you add in the Eastern Michigan

1831
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 2: and the Xavier loss, and now Houston means your sixth

1832
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 2: loss of the season, just one game into Big twelve play,

1833
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 2: that becomes a bigger issue. Another one of the issues

1834
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 2: on display was down the stretch the under four minute

1835
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 2: time out. The game was tied after a Mustapha Chom dunk.

1836
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 2: The last seven points of the game went to Houston,

1837
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:43,600
Speaker 2: and you See did not get a shot off in

1838
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,559
Speaker 2: the last four minutes of the game until the very

1839
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 2: last possession where they had a desperation heath turnovers, and

1840
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:54,880
Speaker 2: more bad play on the offensive side of the ball.

1841
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what the plan is. The execution is lacking.

1842
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 2: It feels like when they try to run a play

1843
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 2: it takes eight to ten seconds just to get even

1844
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 2: into that set. They're not great coming out of timeouts

1845
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 2: or stoppages, all things you look for in year five

1846
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:14,280
Speaker 2: that you would hope would be cleaned up. And again,

1847
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:18,719
Speaker 2: I'm not really for the sentiment of just playing hard

1848
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 2: should be rewarded. Playing hard is expected, especially at the

1849
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 2: University of Cincinnati. The brand of basketball I grew up watching,

1850
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:33,760
Speaker 2: which feels more distant than ever, was highlighted by a

1851
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 2: brand where you knew you were going to be in

1852
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 2: a dog fight every time you came into the arena.

1853
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 2: Might not be the most talented offensive team, might not

1854
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 2: be the best team you play, but it was going

1855
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 2: to be the toughest team you played, and coming into

1856
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,720
Speaker 2: fifth third was not going to be easy. And for

1857
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 2: too many teams it's been far too easy. That's why

1858
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,120
Speaker 2: this team is where they're out at eight and six.

1859
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 2: That's why, as you'll hear in a moment, the head

1860
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 2: coach sounding like things are are getting away from him.

1861
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 2: So before we dive into UC versus West Virginia tonight,

1862
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 2: we lay into context here what you're about to hear.

1863
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:18,639
Speaker 2: This is shortly after the Houston game ended. Bearcats play hard.

1864
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 2: They held multiple double digit leads throughout the afternoon. They

1865
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 2: were outscored seven to zero. The under four timeout, they

1866
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 2: lose sixty seven to sixty. So Wes Miller goes into

1867
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 2: the locker room, he talks to the team, and then

1868
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 2: he comes back out and he sits down with Dan

1869
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 2: Hord and Terry Nelson in This is what Wes Miller

1870
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 2: had to say.

1871
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:41,559
Speaker 38: All right, we've got Wes Miller joining us post side coach.

1872
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 38: It sounds like you want to say something before I

1873
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 38: even get to any questions.

1874
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:47,639
Speaker 2: I'll go ahead.

1875
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 38: Well, let's just start with the bottom line. Houston came

1876
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,599
Speaker 38: back won the game sixty seven to sixty. What were

1877
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:55,599
Speaker 38: the key things that allowed the Cougars to win the game.

1878
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 7: We didn't finish and they did. That's it. We didn't

1879
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 7: finish and they did. Knock on all the other craft

1880
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 7: you want, it ain't true. We didn't finish and they did.

1881
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 7: It's that simple. We got to get back and work

1882
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 7: on how to finish.

1883
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 2: They fought.

1884
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:10,080
Speaker 7: These guys are together, they have chemistry. Okay, they worked together,

1885
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:13,240
Speaker 7: all right, everybody, everybody listened, stop beating up on them.

1886
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 7: They we did everything we got to do. We're doing

1887
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 7: all the stuff we gotta do. We didn't finish, and

1888
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,719
Speaker 7: they did. Let's get back to work on finishing. I'm pissed.

1889
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 7: I hate the damn result. I have no problem when

1890
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:25,840
Speaker 7: anybody else that hates the result, that's fine. But let's

1891
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 7: not make this something that it's not. Let's not talk

1892
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:30,720
Speaker 7: about the kid now got chemistry or the kid not

1893
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 7: to know. Heck no, they're working their tail off. We're

1894
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:35,719
Speaker 7: about We're right there. That's one of the best teams

1895
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 7: in the country. We're right there. We dominated the game

1896
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:40,479
Speaker 7: in some areas for some stretches. Okay, we got to

1897
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 7: learn how to finish the game like they did. They

1898
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 7: finished the game better than us. They finished the game

1899
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:46,719
Speaker 7: in transition offense. They finished it on the offensive board

1900
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 7: when it mattered. They looked us down in May three's

1901
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 7: we turned it over when it mattered. Okay, that's the

1902
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,240
Speaker 7: last five six minutes of the game. Outside of that,

1903
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:56,759
Speaker 7: what can you say other than Our kids competed. They competed,

1904
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:59,439
Speaker 7: they did good things. They executed the stuff we worked

1905
01:41:59,439 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 7: on all week.

1906
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:02,840
Speaker 2: What's your message to the team and post game?

1907
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:05,800
Speaker 7: We got West Virginia on Tuesday. Let's go, let's learn

1908
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 7: from We had a line to finish the game.

1909
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 38: Speaking of the offense and attempting to finish the game,

1910
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 38: what were you looking for? There were some turnovers down

1911
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:16,080
Speaker 38: the stretch where you guys weren't able to get a shot.

1912
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:18,920
Speaker 7: I mean, you gotta get the ball downhill. You gotta

1913
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:21,479
Speaker 7: put pressure on the defense. Everything can't be look down

1914
01:42:21,479 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 7: and shoot threes. Right, We're adjusting, We're getting better as

1915
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:26,800
Speaker 7: an offensive team. We got downhill, we didn't make some

1916
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:29,800
Speaker 7: good decisions. We lost the ball. Okay, you gotta learn

1917
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:31,559
Speaker 7: from it. It's got to be better than that. I

1918
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:34,519
Speaker 7: get that. Those kids get that, all right, But we

1919
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 7: can't dwell on this.

1920
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 2: We're not some.

1921
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 7: Crappy group, all right, crappy groups.

1922
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 2: Don't don't don't. Don't have a lead.

1923
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:42,400
Speaker 7: Against Houston, give it up and then take it right

1924
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 7: back late in the game. That team was playing for

1925
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 7: the National championship last year.

1926
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:47,080
Speaker 2: All right.

1927
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:50,040
Speaker 7: They got three starters back. All right, So let's not

1928
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:52,759
Speaker 7: make it what it's not. I'm pissed, I am angry.

1929
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 7: The result pisses me off. I'm a competitor. I got

1930
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 7: no problem with anybody that's pissed about the result. Be

1931
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 7: pissed about the result. But don't say our kids ain't fighting.

1932
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,759
Speaker 7: Don't say they don't have chemistry. These guys got together

1933
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 7: for the first time and freaking what was it June?

1934
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:10,719
Speaker 7: All right, They've had injuries, we've had all kinds of crap,

1935
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,080
Speaker 7: and they are stuck together and they're working, and they

1936
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:15,720
Speaker 7: played their tails off tonight. We just didn't finish the game.

1937
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 7: We got to get back to work on that period.

1938
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 2: I love it, coach. I love the intensity you come

1939
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 2: out here with. Thank you. Then, Okay, so that is

1940
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:26,040
Speaker 2: what it sounded like. He's pissed. If you couldn't tell

1941
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:30,280
Speaker 2: a couple things again, the team playing together and fighting

1942
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:35,040
Speaker 2: is a prerequisite for walking on the floor. Yeah, every

1943
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:39,920
Speaker 2: team goes through injuries. Every team gets together around June, right,

1944
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:43,320
Speaker 2: Like this isn't just yeah unique here in Cincinnati. It's

1945
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 2: what every college basketball team goes through. And I don't

1946
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:50,080
Speaker 2: think anyone has been critical of their effort. No, I

1947
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 2: don't think anyone. It was critical against Eastern Michigan because

1948
01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 2: they didn't play hard.

1949
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:55,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looked like maybe they didn't want to be there,

1950
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 3: maybe it didn't take it as seriously okay, But for

1951
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 3: the vast majority of the games, it doesn't seem like

1952
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 3: effort has been an issue.

1953
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:05,639
Speaker 2: Correct. What what do you make when when you hear

1954
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:09,759
Speaker 2: Wes Miller in a pre game, in a postgame conversation

1955
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 2: like that, again he said they dominated in most avenues, Well,

1956
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:14,360
Speaker 2: they didn't because they didn't win the game.

1957
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:18,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I get where he's coming from in

1958
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:24,280
Speaker 3: the sense of like they didn't finish and and it's

1959
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 3: probably driving him nuts that that they can't get over

1960
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 3: that hump. But the problem is that it's it's been

1961
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 3: the same hump the whole time, five years.

1962
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 2: And I.

1963
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 3: It felt like a dude was that was desperate and

1964
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 3: searching for answers and felt like he had had him

1965
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:50,760
Speaker 3: but once again failed to test. Yeah, and he I've

1966
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:53,040
Speaker 3: said it many times. I'm very fond of Wes Miller,

1967
01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:56,519
Speaker 3: and I wanted him to succeed really badly, without a doubt.

1968
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 3: And I hate saying this about someone, especially someone that

1969
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:01,840
Speaker 3: I don't know and someone that I don't know much

1970
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 3: about their program or the way that they do things.

1971
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 3: He comes off to me as someone that's in over

1972
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:12,720
Speaker 3: their head. And I really don't like saying that about

1973
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 3: people that I don't know, and I don't know much

1974
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:16,760
Speaker 3: about the way that their day to day and their

1975
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:21,439
Speaker 3: program works. But that's the vibe that I get from

1976
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 3: west Miller.

1977
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 2: It feels like each postgame press conference we hear him

1978
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:31,639
Speaker 2: kind of grasping at different things. Right, it's playing hard,

1979
01:45:31,720 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 2: it's not being good enough, it's what they need to

1980
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:37,160
Speaker 2: work on. It's fight that they showed. At the end

1981
01:45:37,160 --> 01:45:42,719
Speaker 2: of all of this, one thing matters Austin, and it's winning.

1982
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 2: And he's not done, not enough. I still don't know

1983
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:55,679
Speaker 2: if he's got the marquee win. So I guess if

1984
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:59,360
Speaker 2: you look forward and you say, Okay, they competed, they

1985
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:02,880
Speaker 2: played hard hard. What if they don't do that tonight, Austin,

1986
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:05,840
Speaker 2: then what's the then what's next? Sure if they don't

1987
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 2: play hard, if they don't compete on the road at

1988
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 2: West Virginia tonight and the wins kind of out of

1989
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:14,160
Speaker 2: their sales after losing against Houston, then what's the postgame comment?

1990
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:17,719
Speaker 3: It's almost like he's trying to tell people this isn't

1991
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:21,080
Speaker 3: okay with me, Like he's almost like I care, I care.

1992
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 3: It's like he's trying to convince people that this isn't

1993
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 3: good enough.

1994
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 2: We all know that.

1995
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:31,320
Speaker 3: It's almost like he's trying to convince himself and other

1996
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:35,640
Speaker 3: people that, like he personally, is being driven nuts by

1997
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:36,839
Speaker 3: their inability to finish.

1998
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well of course you are. You're the head coach.

1999
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:43,280
Speaker 3: And I guess that reaction is better than just saying,

2000
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 3: ah shucks, will go out and get them against West Virginia.

2001
01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:52,080
Speaker 2: Yep, doesn't make any sense. It just feels grasping again.

2002
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:54,680
Speaker 2: At some point this team that they have to go

2003
01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:59,479
Speaker 2: on some sort of run or those postgame interactions are

2004
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:03,320
Speaker 2: going to get more awkward. And I've just not seen

2005
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:06,280
Speaker 2: the consistency and I want to, and I know MO

2006
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:09,000
Speaker 2: has stated this before. I am I am a bigger

2007
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:12,800
Speaker 2: UC basketball fan than anything else in my life. I

2008
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:16,840
Speaker 2: love the Bengals, I love UC football, I love the Reds.

2009
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:20,560
Speaker 2: I am not a bigger fan of any one particular

2010
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 2: team more than you see basketball. And the fact that

2011
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 2: it's January sixth and it feels this bleak around is

2012
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 2: what Kelvin Samson described Austin as one of the former

2013
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 2: bell Cow teams in college basketball. That is I have

2014
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:42,200
Speaker 2: that audio if you want to hear, please please. This

2015
01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 2: is what Kelvin Samson did have to say about in

2016
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:46,840
Speaker 2: his opening statement about uc.

2017
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:54,160
Speaker 39: This program has been one of their the bell Cow programs.

2018
01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:57,680
Speaker 39: But you know, things change, how dose basketball's change so

2019
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 39: much over the years. And you know, you know it's

2020
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:08,400
Speaker 39: an old guy. I've seen a lot of it, good

2021
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:12,960
Speaker 39: end bad, but you know, it just kind of realizes

2022
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:15,320
Speaker 39: when you go in the road and play all these teams.

2023
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:19,600
Speaker 39: I mean, look at this league. Now you've got to

2024
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:22,759
Speaker 39: go to Provo, Utah and Orlando, Florida.

2025
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:27,639
Speaker 2: You know this, that's this league. So that is Kelvin

2026
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 2: Sampson what he described as a former bell Cow team

2027
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:35,360
Speaker 2: in the Cincinnati Bearcats. Their next opportunity, meaning the Bearcats,

2028
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:38,800
Speaker 2: comes tonight they look for win number nine on the

2029
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:43,720
Speaker 2: season at Morgantown, West Virginia. It's on ESPN too, it's

2030
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:47,679
Speaker 2: at seven o'clock. From that, they stay on the road

2031
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:52,840
Speaker 2: for a Sunday matchup against UCF another ESPN tow start,

2032
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:56,480
Speaker 2: and then next week on Wednesday, they welcome in Colorado.

2033
01:48:57,080 --> 01:49:01,240
Speaker 2: So here's here's my hill. Listen to go with my

2034
01:49:01,320 --> 01:49:05,480
Speaker 2: last stand Austin. All those games on seven hundred WLW

2035
01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:09,040
Speaker 2: West Virginia's winnable tonight one and a half point spread.

2036
01:49:09,439 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 2: UCF is winnable on the road on Sunday, and Colorado

2037
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 2: might be just as bad as you see in the

2038
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:21,960
Speaker 2: Big twelve. Go three and one, win your next three,

2039
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:25,880
Speaker 2: and then a week from Saturday, you're waiting to welcome

2040
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:30,439
Speaker 2: in the third ranked Iowa State Cyclones to fifth third Arena,

2041
01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:32,800
Speaker 2: and I know, by the way, four days later you

2042
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 2: take on number one ranked Arizona. Win the next three

2043
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:40,400
Speaker 2: and create a little bit of buzz. If you're West

2044
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:43,720
Speaker 2: Miller and the Cincinnati Bearcats, we'll take a break. When

2045
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:46,880
Speaker 2: we return, we'll hear from you your phone calls five

2046
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:49,040
Speaker 2: on three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty and dive back

2047
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:52,479
Speaker 2: in to some Cincinnati Bengals talk as well on the

2048
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:55,639
Speaker 2: Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

2049
01:49:56,320 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 6: From the locker room whispers to stadium roars, he's got

2050
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 6: it all Moegar. Today at three pm on ESPN fifteen thirty.

2051
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:16,280
Speaker 2: It's welcome back rolling along our three Cincy three to

2052
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:18,400
Speaker 2: sixty thanks to pend station on the home of the

2053
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:22,800
Speaker 2: Banking ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station. Let's grab a

2054
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 2: couple of phone calls here while we have a few moments.

2055
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:26,880
Speaker 2: Let's go to reading for Dave. What's up, Dave?

2056
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:32,200
Speaker 5: Hey, Tony Before I want to respond to him, I

2057
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:35,120
Speaker 5: actually thought it was john Johnny Won from reading I

2058
01:50:35,200 --> 01:50:38,799
Speaker 5: called yesterday before it was Johnny from Mountain Healthy Austin.

2059
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:41,479
Speaker 5: Just correct me on, but I want to respond to

2060
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:45,760
Speaker 5: what he said about the Browns fans. Yeah, and then

2061
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:48,320
Speaker 5: before you hang up, I want to say something about

2062
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:53,519
Speaker 5: Austin if I can real quick. Okay, First off, that's

2063
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:55,920
Speaker 5: that's the one reason he was talking about the bread

2064
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 5: and were we referred to him as the Clowns, the

2065
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:02,800
Speaker 5: Cleveland Clowns, the Browns. I've despised that I actually grew

2066
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:06,320
Speaker 5: up in a Clowns fan before the Bangles came. And uh,

2067
01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:10,200
Speaker 5: but that's one thing I despised, despised about their fan base.

2068
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:10,800
Speaker 23: Uh.

2069
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:14,120
Speaker 5: They they've been in the league since when King Herod

2070
01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:17,840
Speaker 5: died and uh and they still uh have ever even

2071
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:19,680
Speaker 5: got done anything in the league. But once they do

2072
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:22,920
Speaker 5: something at all, they they think they owned owned the

2073
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:26,160
Speaker 5: league own the world. It just really uh stribes me

2074
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:28,160
Speaker 5: I used to have back in the nineties and that

2075
01:51:28,479 --> 01:51:31,040
Speaker 5: after a game I had, someone would call the house,

2076
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 5: you know, after they be it and stuff like that.

2077
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:36,000
Speaker 5: So I just uh despised that. I just think that's uh,

2078
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:39,160
Speaker 5: it's just ridiculous how they were doing that again to

2079
01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:42,599
Speaker 5: the game and uh, you know they do something before you,

2080
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:46,600
Speaker 5: Uh you gotta do all that. Well, I'd respond with,

2081
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:49,120
Speaker 5: I thought it was really great that Austin and you

2082
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:52,639
Speaker 5: were gone already, but uh he had Johnny from uh

2083
01:51:53,120 --> 01:51:56,240
Speaker 5: uh from Johnny Moon on there talking about the kid

2084
01:51:56,320 --> 01:52:01,920
Speaker 5: with brain cancer sort of reading for the reading thing

2085
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:06,160
Speaker 5: and having it having the you know, seem to raise

2086
01:52:06,240 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 5: money for him. I just thought it was really a

2087
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:11,519
Speaker 5: really class thing to do, having that. And I don't

2088
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:13,200
Speaker 5: know if they know it or not. I've seen Channel

2089
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:15,920
Speaker 5: twelve is going to have a a bid on a

2090
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:19,840
Speaker 5: report on sometime during the week on her sports report,

2091
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:20,679
Speaker 5: I guess or something.

2092
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was able to see that, Dave. I appreciate

2093
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:27,680
Speaker 2: the phone call, thank you to Yep. Yeah, I know

2094
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:32,640
Speaker 2: the the Uh. The athlete's name at reading is is

2095
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:33,920
Speaker 2: Nick Radkey.

2096
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:34,920
Speaker 10: Uh.

2097
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:37,600
Speaker 2: He's a student and basketball player for Reading that was

2098
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 2: diagnosed with brain cancer in twenty twenty five. So Reading

2099
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:45,920
Speaker 2: has been doing a great job of rather gathering around

2100
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:49,640
Speaker 2: uh Nick on on Saturday this past Saturday had a

2101
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:53,360
Speaker 2: Night for Nick and had some riffle tickets and and

2102
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:56,840
Speaker 2: different ways to raise money that they can get Nick

2103
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:59,880
Speaker 2: some help as he gets ready to start chemotherapy. So

2104
01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:03,640
Speaker 2: good a good move by Reading and all involved in

2105
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:06,479
Speaker 2: trying to help Nick out. The thing with the fans, Austin,

2106
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:11,360
Speaker 2: every fan base has them, right, some fan bases have

2107
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:14,639
Speaker 2: more than others, but for the most part, everyone everyone

2108
01:53:14,680 --> 01:53:18,880
Speaker 2: has bad fans. Teams also have great fans, and there

2109
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:21,000
Speaker 2: are certainly teams with more bad than good or more

2110
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:23,719
Speaker 2: good than bad. But it is it's hard when you've

2111
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:26,800
Speaker 2: not really done anything throughout history to be one of

2112
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:29,680
Speaker 2: those teams that has more bad than good. But it

2113
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:32,439
Speaker 2: seems a lot like that's what you get with Cleveland fans.

2114
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:35,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, as far as I'm concerned like rivalries,

2115
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:37,080
Speaker 3: it's pretty much it's fair game.

2116
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:39,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I know we both know Tommy g

2117
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 2: who's a Cleveland fan who at times, you know, can

2118
01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:44,960
Speaker 2: just be over the top with it. I think we'd

2119
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:46,760
Speaker 2: both agree on that Tommy g was on the field,

2120
01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:50,280
Speaker 2: so I know this field. I'm without his Shador Sanders

2121
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:53,760
Speaker 2: Jersey on Yeah, still doesn't have a coward. Mike is

2122
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:54,639
Speaker 2: calling in, what's up.

2123
01:53:54,600 --> 01:54:00,559
Speaker 10: Mike, Hey, fellas a good show today, Thank you as usual.

2124
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:06,240
Speaker 10: I can almost guarantee you well, speaking of Chemo, I

2125
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:10,240
Speaker 10: just finished up mine. Boy, is that fun? Can't have

2126
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:12,080
Speaker 10: more fun than a little chemo?

2127
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:13,680
Speaker 2: Get it done.

2128
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:15,920
Speaker 10: Let's put you out and left field. Yeah, I'm an

2129
01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:20,080
Speaker 10: asthetized now to my liver, so I'm a little nervous,

2130
01:54:20,479 --> 01:54:24,960
Speaker 10: of course, But anyway, I can almost guarantee you that

2131
01:54:25,160 --> 01:54:29,200
Speaker 10: the person that put the kebajh on that logo is

2132
01:54:29,240 --> 01:54:34,000
Speaker 10: from Oakland because there's so much hatred, hatred in the

2133
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:38,120
Speaker 10: city of Oakland or the departure of the Raiders and

2134
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:42,800
Speaker 10: the A's that I guarantee you that's where that came from.

2135
01:54:43,120 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 10: That patents on there. I mean I if not, I'd

2136
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:50,360
Speaker 10: be shocked because it's been there for a long time.

2137
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:54,320
Speaker 10: I mentioned you were Austin the other day, Tony when

2138
01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:55,120
Speaker 10: you were off.

2139
01:54:56,400 --> 01:54:56,480
Speaker 23: That.

2140
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:59,040
Speaker 10: I don't any guys might have talked about since I

2141
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:00,960
Speaker 10: talked to you last hope like not it. So this

2142
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:04,960
Speaker 10: tone was The coolest thing so far I saw in

2143
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:08,440
Speaker 10: the college playoffs was naming the center I believe his

2144
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 10: name was Dugan from transferred from Notre Dame to Indiana

2145
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:16,200
Speaker 10: with the MVP. Yeah, for he in the offensive line.

2146
01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:19,280
Speaker 10: That's never happened. I researched it, and that is the

2147
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:22,200
Speaker 10: coolest thing I've seen in college sports.

2148
01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe in Austin correct me as well. I thought.

2149
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:28,080
Speaker 2: I saw Kirk kerk Street post that that it's really

2150
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:30,440
Speaker 2: cool at the Rose Bowl they allow folks to vote

2151
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:31,960
Speaker 2: on the MVP and they kind of wanted to give

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Speaker 2: it to the whole offensive line, but kind of had

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01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 2: to single it out. But it isn't in a time

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01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:41,720
Speaker 2: where those guys up front are rarely recognized. For him

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01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:45,160
Speaker 2: to get recognized in a game the statue of the

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01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:46,680
Speaker 2: Rose Bowl, that was really cool.

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Speaker 10: Didn't look funny. How we always talk about this, that

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01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:53,040
Speaker 10: and the other thing quarterbacks, of course, but then when

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01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:54,840
Speaker 10: it gets right down to it, we always say the

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01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:57,840
Speaker 10: games are wanting the trenches. But somebody ever gets accolades

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Speaker 10: to the guys in the trenches unless you're an edge

2162
01:55:59,880 --> 01:56:01,160
Speaker 10: were I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: And that and you don't notice those trenches until you

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Speaker 2: get beaten the trenches. I mean that that is. That's

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Speaker 2: what ended Ohio State season back to back games against

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Speaker 2: Indiana and Miami. They were dominated in the trenches. That's

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Speaker 2: why they're not playing anymore. It is it starts and

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Speaker 2: stops in those battles.

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Speaker 10: And when you're a quarterback at the quarterback spot, z

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Speaker 10: on well, obviously if you get sacked or something, but

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Speaker 10: can you almost feel it coming that the domination is there?

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01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:30,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean you you know, within a series

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01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:32,200
Speaker 2: or two, if you're gonna if your guys are going

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Speaker 2: to be able to handle them, or you've got to

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Speaker 2: come up with a different game play on how to

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Speaker 2: go about handling them. For sure.

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Speaker 10: Well, and that means definitely get out of the pocket,

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Speaker 10: I would guess.

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Speaker 2: Move the pocket, bring in an extra lineman, add tight ends,

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01:56:45,440 --> 01:56:47,800
Speaker 2: chip the defensive ends, all things that you had to do.

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01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:50,680
Speaker 2: But you can you can pretty much get an understanding

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Speaker 2: of that within a few series of the game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I feel sorry for Wes. I do because he seems

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Speaker 10: like a good dude.

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01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:01,200
Speaker 2: I think think he's an awesome guy. I think he

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01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:04,120
Speaker 2: works hard. They've just come up short in the same

2188
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:07,160
Speaker 2: fashion too many times and.

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Speaker 10: Like you say, when you get used to over the

2190
01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:12,360
Speaker 10: years watching hugs, well even way back with me with

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01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:14,920
Speaker 10: coach Jucker, when you used to be actually won bashing

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Speaker 10: backs against Ohio.

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01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:19,920
Speaker 2: Says Huggins. Mick Cronin. You never knew they weren't going

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01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:21,680
Speaker 2: to be the most talented at times, but they were

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Speaker 2: going to be the toughest.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, they were going to be the toughest. And now

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01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:29,080
Speaker 10: we're anything but that. And it's kind of weird. One

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01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:32,880
Speaker 10: class one little quickie at the end here. I'm so

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Speaker 10: I keep down, I kept down playing Jacksonville all year.

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Speaker 10: But I'll tell you right now, that's got to be

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Speaker 10: the dark one. I don't even know if there are

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Speaker 10: a dark horse coming out of the AFC. I think

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Speaker 10: can Denver ultimately played Jacksonville the way it seeded in

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Speaker 10: the championship names the AFC.

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Speaker 2: I I think I look at weaknesses right.

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Speaker 10: Like the way it stacks up who they match, is it?

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01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:08,280
Speaker 10: I mean, could they ultimately do it? Or you see

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01:58:08,280 --> 01:58:11,000
Speaker 10: what I'm saying. I'm confused on this on the seeding.

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Speaker 10: Could they ultimately play each other or could they ultimately

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Speaker 10: play each other before the AFC eachether.

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Speaker 3: It just it depends on who wins. I think they could. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure they could. So Denver will play whoever

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01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:30,640
Speaker 3: the lowest remaining seed is. So in that sense, they

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01:58:30,680 --> 01:58:32,960
Speaker 3: would have to play each other in the AFC Championship

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01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:35,080
Speaker 3: game if I'm not mistaken, because there's going to be

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Speaker 3: a four or five winner between Pittsburgh and Houston. So yes,

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Speaker 3: Denver and Jacksonville could play each other in the AFC

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Speaker 3: Championship Well, and.

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Speaker 10: If that happened, which which team would you guys like.

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Speaker 2: I would pick Denver because it's in Denver. Yeah, I

2221
01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:53,120
Speaker 2: think the the interesting thing is going to be the

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Speaker 2: home field advantage you know, of of those teams. You know,

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01:58:56,440 --> 01:58:58,880
Speaker 2: a team like even the Rams, who now doesn't have

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01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:02,520
Speaker 2: the luxury of any or home field advantage. That's significant,

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01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:06,080
Speaker 2: you know, the thought of SOFI Stadium versus Seattle, and

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01:59:06,120 --> 01:59:08,240
Speaker 2: for Jacksonville, the thought of you know, playing in Florida,

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01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:11,040
Speaker 2: verus going to Denver later on in the playoffs. Those

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01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:14,760
Speaker 2: are significant things to take into account and what those

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01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:16,160
Speaker 2: team strengths and weaknesses are.

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Speaker 10: And I really would like to see the Bears advance

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01:59:20,760 --> 01:59:23,200
Speaker 10: right just just for the people of Chicago since it's

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01:59:23,240 --> 01:59:28,640
Speaker 10: been so long. But I'm afraid Philadelphia is gonna figure

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01:59:28,640 --> 01:59:31,040
Speaker 10: out a way to win this damn East into the NFC,

2234
01:59:31,160 --> 01:59:33,440
Speaker 10: and it just bums me out. I don't like so

2235
01:59:33,640 --> 01:59:36,000
Speaker 10: it though. They just don't. Do you guys think they'll

2236
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:36,640
Speaker 10: win the East?

2237
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:39,280
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think they've been consistent

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01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:41,160
Speaker 2: enough this year. And there's too many good There's there's

2239
01:59:41,160 --> 01:59:42,360
Speaker 2: too many good teams, I think.

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Speaker 10: Okay, thanks, guys, I appreciate.

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Speaker 2: You have a good one. We got to grab a

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01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:49,760
Speaker 2: break when we come back. A couple of loose ended

2243
01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:52,560
Speaker 2: thoughts on the NFL Playoffs, as we just discussed next

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, Mission New Year

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Speaker 2: cleanup has begun. Welcome back since he three to six.

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Speaker 2: The ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station NFL Playoffs field

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Speaker 2: is set a moment here Austin while we have a

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Speaker 2: few minutes to uh to discuss the seedings and the

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Speaker 2: pairings and what this looks like. Let me start with this.

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Speaker 2: If you had to pick a team from the AFC

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Speaker 2: and the NFC to emerge, which teams are you? Are

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Speaker 2: you picking?

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Speaker 38: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Seattle, mm hmm. I don't trust anybody in the AFC,

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Speaker 3: that's my thing. But I'll say Buffalo because they have

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Speaker 3: the best quarterback.

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Speaker 2: See that's like I'm I'm having such a hard time

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Speaker 2: with the AFC because you have a You have teams

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Speaker 2: in the AFC coming in winning eight to nine games

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Speaker 2: in a row in Jacksonville and Houston. But on the

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Speaker 2: other side, for Jacksonville, you've got to go against Josh Allen,

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Speaker 2: the reigning MVP, and the Buffalo Bills, who are under

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02:00:58,520 --> 02:01:00,760
Speaker 2: an immense amount of pressure to win this year with

2264
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Speaker 2: no Lamar or no Burrow, no Mahomes in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I trust the Patriots. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how much I trust that. It just feels like

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Speaker 2: those teams have a flaw. Like even Denver, Austin. Can

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Speaker 2: you say without a doubt that Denver can win if

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Speaker 2: a team is able to move the ball and creates

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Speaker 2: a shootout? Can Denver win a shootout?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't know that they would play in a shootout,

2272
02:01:25,560 --> 02:01:27,640
Speaker 3: but that's the event that it happens.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they could. Like the Texans gave up

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02:01:30,040 --> 02:01:32,760
Speaker 2: thirty or thirty one to the Riley Leonard on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't foresee them doing it, but a

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Speaker 2: team like that, they showed that they could win that

2277
02:01:37,560 --> 02:01:41,360
Speaker 2: game by outscoring Indie down the stretch. Which super Bowl

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02:01:41,400 --> 02:01:46,640
Speaker 2: matchup is the best story? The playoff matchup or the

2279
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Speaker 2: super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Match super Bowl matchup? M I think it's Steelers Packers

2281
02:01:52,600 --> 02:01:57,320
Speaker 3: obviously for Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, behind that, what's the next

2282
02:01:57,360 --> 02:01:58,560
Speaker 3: best story?

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Speaker 33: Uh?

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02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:04,040
Speaker 2: Anybody cares about the Patriots?

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02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:04,520
Speaker 10: Yeah?

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02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:07,360
Speaker 2: I would look at Rams and that storyline, and the

2287
02:02:07,400 --> 02:02:10,720
Speaker 2: Bills would be cool. Bills are one of the great

2288
02:02:10,760 --> 02:02:16,080
Speaker 2: sports stories yet to be told. Josh Allen versus Matthew Stafford.

2289
02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:19,200
Speaker 2: I think that would be cool. I don't think Carolina

2290
02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:21,600
Speaker 2: would pose a storyline. I really don't think Seattle would.

2291
02:02:22,240 --> 02:02:26,800
Speaker 2: Eagles won't. Maybe the Bears Bears would be fun. Maybe

2292
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Speaker 2: the Bears Bills would be electric. Yeah, you would talk

2293
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Speaker 2: about a shootout. Yeah. I think Jacksonville'll be fun too, though.

2294
02:02:34,640 --> 02:02:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just wonder like outside of Carolina, I feel

2295
02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:42,440
Speaker 3: like almost every NFC team would be a double digit

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02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:47,920
Speaker 3: favorite against every AFC team except maybe Denver because of

2297
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Speaker 3: their defense.

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02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe New England.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I just I trust nobody in the AFC. I think

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Speaker 3: I'm very confident that the winner of the Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: comes rut of the NFC.

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02:02:57,720 --> 02:03:00,360
Speaker 2: Outside of I think if you look at game this

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02:03:00,440 --> 02:03:04,640
Speaker 2: weekend Packers Bears, Bill's Jaguars, outside of those two, what's

2305
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Speaker 2: another game that you are really looking forward to?

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Speaker 3: For some reason, Philadelphia is favored by four and a half,

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Speaker 3: and I don't quite understand that. I mean, I know

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Speaker 3: San Francisco has issues on their defense, but it's not

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Speaker 3: like Philadelphia has really lit it up on offense this year.

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02:03:24,360 --> 02:03:29,440
Speaker 3: They've been extremely inconsistent. I wonder about the potential fallout

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Speaker 3: in Philadelphia if they are to lose that game at home.

2312
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Speaker 3: So that one, I'm interested to see how Philly responds

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs and if they're able to take care

2314
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:45,440
Speaker 3: of business against San Francisco, who really was on a

2315
02:03:45,440 --> 02:03:46,480
Speaker 3: heater until last week.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting too, because, like we've talked about, Philly decided

2317
02:03:49,880 --> 02:03:53,160
Speaker 2: not to try to win their game over the weekend.

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02:03:53,200 --> 02:03:56,480
Speaker 2: They sat in Jalen Hurts. So they would have rather

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Speaker 2: essentially played San Francisco than Green Bay. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: think I would do that. I agree. I saw this.

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Speaker 2: I asked, is the Bears season of success if they

2322
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Speaker 2: are knocked out in round one by the Green Bay Packers.

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Speaker 2: It's a great question.

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Speaker 3: I think if they're knocked out by anybody else, yes,

2325
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Speaker 3: but the fact that it's the Packers, yeah, probably not.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing these teams have only met twice in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: One of them was the NFC Championship game about fifteen

2328
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Speaker 3: years ago.

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02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:24,520
Speaker 2: Years ago.

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Speaker 3: There's just a hatred there is. It's one of the

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02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:34,440
Speaker 3: great rivalries in sports. And I think the Bears are

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02:04:34,480 --> 02:04:39,960
Speaker 3: the better team. But I'm shocked at Green Bay is

2333
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:41,800
Speaker 3: favored in this game by a point.

2334
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Speaker 2: And a half.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think most Bears fans would be happy that

2336
02:04:47,800 --> 02:04:50,120
Speaker 3: they got back to the playoffs, but it would take

2337
02:04:50,160 --> 02:04:53,520
Speaker 3: a long time to get that taste out of their

2338
02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:56,680
Speaker 3: mouth that they lost a home playoff game to the Packers. Sure,

2339
02:04:57,160 --> 02:05:01,360
Speaker 3: for the second time. I think it's going to be

2340
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Speaker 3: a fascinating weekend. We've talked about the college football player.

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02:05:05,680 --> 02:05:08,040
Speaker 2: I know we'll dive into that tomorrow too, And I

2342
02:05:09,320 --> 02:05:12,680
Speaker 2: give the college football credit because instead of just trying

2343
02:05:12,680 --> 02:05:15,560
Speaker 2: to do weekend games, they recognize that the NFL as king,

2344
02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:18,680
Speaker 2: so what college football do? We'll play on Thursday and Friday,

2345
02:05:19,480 --> 02:05:23,040
Speaker 2: And I appreciate them for that. It's the NFL World Saturday, Sunday, Monday.

2346
02:05:23,480 --> 02:05:26,680
Speaker 2: Monday is the NFL. They sneak in on Thursday Friday.

2347
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Speaker 2: Both of those games should be fantastic. Gosh, I want

2348
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:32,240
Speaker 2: to work again to win. Yeah, I want them to

2349
02:05:32,280 --> 02:05:34,880
Speaker 2: win by one hundred and fifty points. The storylines and

2350
02:05:34,920 --> 02:05:37,560
Speaker 2: everything else that are going to follow along, we will.

2351
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:41,560
Speaker 2: We'll dive much more into the college football playoff tomorrow.

2352
02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:46,440
Speaker 2: We'll also look ahead at some NFL awards and much more,

2353
02:05:47,160 --> 02:05:49,640
Speaker 2: some extension options for the Cincinnati Bengals. But for now,

2354
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Speaker 2: we'll break and it's been a rarity during football season, Austin.

2355
02:05:53,600 --> 02:05:57,920
Speaker 2: We've got Moboch in studio today. He is uh wow,

2356
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Speaker 2: he's no longer on the road on Tuesday, so Quick

2357
02:06:01,480 --> 02:06:06,720
Speaker 2: Kits coming up next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

2358
02:06:07,640 --> 02:06:13,880
Speaker 1: Quick Hits on Tony Pikes since he three sixty.

2359
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:15,200
Speaker 2: All right, we are in studio.

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Speaker 3: How about that, hey was looking for It's up? You're

2361
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Speaker 3: back in studio on Tuesdays on Tuesdays. Yes, back on

2362
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Speaker 3: Mondays as well. The Tony and moll Football Show came

2363
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Speaker 3: to an end, yes.

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Speaker 2: Y, Unfortunately it did. Yes, But Duke Tobin will ensure

2365
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Speaker 2: Duke Tobin, there are more people excited about Friday then

2366
02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:35,080
Speaker 2: I can remember in quite some time.

2367
02:06:35,720 --> 02:06:39,440
Speaker 40: I don't know why. What do I appreciate the fact

2368
02:06:39,480 --> 02:06:41,400
Speaker 40: that he's going to talk. Yeah, and I think that

2369
02:06:41,480 --> 02:06:45,120
Speaker 40: should be vanilla a thing that happens more frequently. You

2370
02:06:45,200 --> 02:06:49,040
Speaker 40: are either gonna walk away from Friday unmoved or pissed off.

2371
02:06:49,480 --> 02:06:52,320
Speaker 40: So I don't know why anybody's excited, aside from you

2372
02:06:52,360 --> 02:06:53,480
Speaker 40: get to hear a different voice.

2373
02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:58,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it Uh, I don't think you're gonna get anything

2374
02:06:58,120 --> 02:06:59,080
Speaker 3: are shattering from it?

2375
02:06:59,480 --> 02:07:02,880
Speaker 40: No, Mike is He's gonna want to focus less on

2376
02:07:02,920 --> 02:07:05,360
Speaker 40: what went wrong and talk more about what's next.

2377
02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:08,040
Speaker 2: And when he does that, he can only speak in generalities.

2378
02:07:08,080 --> 02:07:10,120
Speaker 2: Wait a request today to maybe throw him off, ask

2379
02:07:10,200 --> 02:07:13,840
Speaker 2: him which logo he likes the most from midfield or

2380
02:07:13,880 --> 02:07:17,680
Speaker 2: what uniform combination is his favorite. Who would you have

2381
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:20,080
Speaker 2: voted for in the Ring of Honor, Duke? Yeah, you

2382
02:07:20,080 --> 02:07:22,760
Speaker 2: go to change that voting process out? Well, they should.

2383
02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:24,560
Speaker 40: They should just put everybody who's been on the ballot

2384
02:07:24,560 --> 02:07:26,960
Speaker 40: in and then restart fresh in twenty twenty seven.

2385
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:27,760
Speaker 2: But that's just me.

2386
02:07:28,600 --> 02:07:28,800
Speaker 7: You know.

2387
02:07:28,920 --> 02:07:32,000
Speaker 2: Look, I I'm kind of curious.

2388
02:07:33,200 --> 02:07:36,320
Speaker 40: Did Duke say I want to talk right or did

2389
02:07:36,320 --> 02:07:39,040
Speaker 40: someone say, hey, big boy, our coach has to go

2390
02:07:39,080 --> 02:07:42,080
Speaker 40: out there three times a week during the season, your turn, like,

2391
02:07:42,160 --> 02:07:43,720
Speaker 40: and this is going to have to be a thing.

2392
02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:46,040
Speaker 2: I think that's a really interesting question.

2393
02:07:46,080 --> 02:07:48,160
Speaker 40: Maybe we don't get the answer to that on Friday,

2394
02:07:48,200 --> 02:07:51,880
Speaker 40: but I would like for there to be a little

2395
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:55,960
Speaker 40: bit more public accountability for someone in Duke's shooes. Nick

2396
02:07:56,040 --> 02:08:00,000
Speaker 40: Krawl has had like four media availabilities since the baseball season,

2397
02:08:00,120 --> 02:08:02,600
Speaker 40: and then say what you want about Nick, but he

2398
02:08:02,720 --> 02:08:05,240
Speaker 40: is made available. You might not like the answers, but

2399
02:08:05,320 --> 02:08:09,160
Speaker 40: he is made available to not make Duke Tobin available.

2400
02:08:09,400 --> 02:08:11,400
Speaker 2: Is you know it is?

2401
02:08:12,280 --> 02:08:14,520
Speaker 40: It's kind of a slap in the face to your fans. Yeah,

2402
02:08:15,080 --> 02:08:17,920
Speaker 40: when he holds such an important position. So I hope

2403
02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:21,600
Speaker 40: this is something that is the start of the new normal.

2404
02:08:21,640 --> 02:08:22,120
Speaker 2: So speed.

2405
02:08:22,200 --> 02:08:25,880
Speaker 3: I wonder if Zach was the one who said, hey, hey.

2406
02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:28,160
Speaker 2: Hey, chief, you know I gotta go out there every week?

2407
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:30,840
Speaker 2: How about you? Yeah, but you take your turn, big boy.

2408
02:08:31,120 --> 02:08:33,600
Speaker 2: I think it's the whole Zach Taylor. And we didn't

2409
02:08:33,600 --> 02:08:35,360
Speaker 2: get to hear it all yesterday because the feed cut

2410
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:38,480
Speaker 2: out on us. But there was a point yesterday where

2411
02:08:38,760 --> 02:08:41,880
Speaker 2: Zach essentially already is same. We're not foreseeen to make

2412
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:44,240
Speaker 2: any changes on the staff. What I want to know

2413
02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:47,440
Speaker 2: is why not? And if it's why not, why not

2414
02:08:47,520 --> 02:08:50,919
Speaker 2: answer that question with, Hey, this year was below our standard.

2415
02:08:51,360 --> 02:08:53,560
Speaker 2: We're going to take some time and we're going to

2416
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:57,240
Speaker 2: assess and then make a decision going forward. By coming

2417
02:08:57,280 --> 02:08:59,120
Speaker 2: out like that, you're essentially already saying that, yeah, you

2418
02:08:59,160 --> 02:09:02,080
Speaker 2: know this year one really Yeah. I think that's the message.

2419
02:09:02,720 --> 02:09:07,120
Speaker 40: I think the message behind and like I'm I care

2420
02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:10,560
Speaker 40: less about Zach's job than I do Duke Tobin's are,

2421
02:09:10,680 --> 02:09:13,000
Speaker 40: because I feel like for this season, for this season,

2422
02:09:13,120 --> 02:09:15,200
Speaker 40: Zach was more of an accessory than the person in

2423
02:09:15,280 --> 02:09:18,720
Speaker 40: charge of the roster. But the message that is sent

2424
02:09:18,840 --> 02:09:22,240
Speaker 40: when you maintain the status quo is this is good enough.

2425
02:09:22,640 --> 02:09:25,200
Speaker 40: It might it might not be the intended message, but

2426
02:09:25,240 --> 02:09:29,919
Speaker 40: it's the message this is good enough. And most fans

2427
02:09:30,200 --> 02:09:32,600
Speaker 40: and customers I think would disagree.

2428
02:09:32,720 --> 02:09:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you have coming up on your program today?

2429
02:09:34,920 --> 02:09:37,600
Speaker 40: Paul Danner Junior has made the case to keep Duke

2430
02:09:37,640 --> 02:09:42,520
Speaker 40: Tobin in his notifications off a Well, We're we're going

2431
02:09:42,600 --> 02:09:44,480
Speaker 40: to address that. You should read through them on air.

2432
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:49,160
Speaker 40: We're going to address that I've got. I've got an

2433
02:09:49,200 --> 02:09:51,400
Speaker 40: idea that I'll I'll talk about when Paul gets here

2434
02:09:51,400 --> 02:09:53,800
Speaker 40: at three oh five, But we're going to talk with

2435
02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:56,560
Speaker 40: Paul for the next hour about his take on why

2436
02:09:56,640 --> 02:09:58,320
Speaker 40: it's the right thing to do to kind of maintain

2437
02:09:58,360 --> 02:10:00,720
Speaker 40: the status quot. Paul makes them very good points. I'm

2438
02:10:00,720 --> 02:10:03,160
Speaker 40: not sure I agree with some of them, but we'll discuss.

2439
02:10:04,080 --> 02:10:04,480
Speaker 18: Uh.

2440
02:10:04,560 --> 02:10:08,680
Speaker 2: We've obviously and like the last segment, get to call

2441
02:10:08,720 --> 02:10:09,960
Speaker 2: in and share his thoughts.

2442
02:10:10,520 --> 02:10:15,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, can I tell you real shame we haven't developed

2443
02:10:15,440 --> 02:10:19,440
Speaker 3: anyone else over the last forty years.

2444
02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:22,600
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I'm not sure I should talk about this.

2445
02:10:24,400 --> 02:10:27,600
Speaker 40: But when the Bengals were good, I think Nick Lache

2446
02:10:27,760 --> 02:10:29,520
Speaker 40: got stiff armed by the franchise.

2447
02:10:30,680 --> 02:10:34,240
Speaker 2: He pissed. Okay, that's I don't know that as a fact.

2448
02:10:35,600 --> 02:10:37,960
Speaker 3: That I have a lot of respect, a lot of

2449
02:10:37,960 --> 02:10:39,600
Speaker 3: respect for the Bengals.

2450
02:10:39,640 --> 02:10:44,640
Speaker 40: I have kind of connected the dots that Nick may

2451
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:49,200
Speaker 40: have and he there's no questioning his passion for Cincinnati

2452
02:10:49,200 --> 02:10:52,000
Speaker 40: sports like he is a true Cincinnati and US E

2453
02:10:52,080 --> 02:10:56,320
Speaker 40: sports fan, true Cincinnati and US sports fan, watches the games,

2454
02:10:56,320 --> 02:11:01,440
Speaker 40: cares but I and by the way, he sounds like

2455
02:11:01,480 --> 02:11:02,800
Speaker 40: a lot of fans. He's airing a lot of this

2456
02:11:02,920 --> 02:11:07,280
Speaker 40: an complaints. But I have kind of connected the dots,

2457
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:10,560
Speaker 40: and I'm wondering if Nick is coming from a place

2458
02:11:10,600 --> 02:11:14,000
Speaker 40: where maybe he has been stiff armed by that franchise

2459
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:16,880
Speaker 40: in the past. Okay, and then not so distant Paris,

2460
02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:20,040
Speaker 40: what else you got. We're gonna talk about the Bearcats

2461
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:21,879
Speaker 40: game tonight against West Virginia.

2462
02:11:22,440 --> 02:11:25,360
Speaker 2: Wes Miller says, they're close. I have a question. It's

2463
02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:27,400
Speaker 2: not about the win lost to me anymore. It isn't

2464
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:29,080
Speaker 2: I just want to see if they play hard, okay,

2465
02:11:29,160 --> 02:11:30,880
Speaker 2: and how the chemistry looks outside of that, I don't

2466
02:11:30,880 --> 02:11:31,280
Speaker 2: care about.

2467
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:33,600
Speaker 40: I think they will play win. I think they will

2468
02:11:33,600 --> 02:11:36,720
Speaker 40: play hard. My question is going to be Wes says

2469
02:11:36,720 --> 02:11:38,840
Speaker 40: they're close. By the time they get over the hump,

2470
02:11:39,160 --> 02:11:41,320
Speaker 40: how many more losses will be on their ledger?

2471
02:11:41,360 --> 02:11:42,520
Speaker 2: And then at the end of the day.

2472
02:11:43,280 --> 02:11:45,360
Speaker 40: Okay, I put this on social media after the game

2473
02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:48,160
Speaker 40: on Saturday and when it's lost number six, and it

2474
02:11:48,240 --> 02:11:51,480
Speaker 40: follows a painfully familiar script. You're not going to get

2475
02:11:51,520 --> 02:11:55,400
Speaker 40: anybody who you know sort of leans into the positives

2476
02:11:55,400 --> 02:11:56,120
Speaker 40: of a game like that.

2477
02:11:56,240 --> 02:11:58,400
Speaker 2: The reality is they did do a lot of things really,

2478
02:11:58,440 --> 02:11:59,000
Speaker 2: really well.

2479
02:11:59,640 --> 02:12:02,640
Speaker 40: If that was lost number three, I think you'd go, Okay,

2480
02:12:02,680 --> 02:12:04,720
Speaker 40: play like that in most of these Big twelve games,

2481
02:12:04,720 --> 02:12:07,120
Speaker 40: and they're gonna be okay. One it's lost number six,

2482
02:12:07,600 --> 02:12:10,720
Speaker 40: and it follows a painfully familiar script. I think you're

2483
02:12:10,720 --> 02:12:12,600
Speaker 40: gonna have a hard time getting anybody to lean into

2484
02:12:12,600 --> 02:12:14,680
Speaker 40: the positives. But we're gonna spend some time on that.

2485
02:12:14,800 --> 02:12:19,320
Speaker 40: Lots on the Bengals today. I think the Dalton Reisner

2486
02:12:19,320 --> 02:12:21,520
Speaker 40: thing is frankly one of the most fascinating things that

2487
02:12:21,560 --> 02:12:24,440
Speaker 40: I've seen in quite a while. We're gonna spend ample

2488
02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:27,320
Speaker 40: time on that. We'll talk sports and law at four.

2489
02:12:27,240 --> 02:12:30,680
Speaker 2: Thirty oh and Hamton County. We're gonna talk about Cam

2490
02:12:30,680 --> 02:12:33,080
Speaker 2: Taylor brit Yeah, Camp Taylor Britons Tuesday.

2491
02:12:33,320 --> 02:12:35,400
Speaker 40: I mean it might be Cam Taylor britt five days,

2492
02:12:35,440 --> 02:12:38,280
Speaker 40: a different type of benching, so to speak for Cam.

2493
02:12:39,320 --> 02:12:42,120
Speaker 40: Cam got more time in the can than one of

2494
02:12:42,160 --> 02:12:43,760
Speaker 40: the dudes who busted into my house.

2495
02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:47,880
Speaker 2: Wow, amazing. So you're gonna talk law today.

2496
02:12:47,720 --> 02:12:50,240
Speaker 40: Maybe, well, we are gonna talk law today at four

2497
02:12:50,360 --> 02:12:51,760
Speaker 40: thirty five CTV.

2498
02:12:52,200 --> 02:12:54,840
Speaker 2: Benched again. I think it would be important, yeah, for

2499
02:12:54,880 --> 02:12:58,320
Speaker 2: the Bearcats to maybe look at this stretch of West Virginia,

2500
02:12:58,440 --> 02:13:02,920
Speaker 2: UCF and Colorado not top end talent in the Big Twelve,

2501
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:05,200
Speaker 2: not the seller of the Big Twelve. But if you're

2502
02:13:05,200 --> 02:13:07,360
Speaker 2: going to get over the hump, maybe winning three in

2503
02:13:07,360 --> 02:13:10,520
Speaker 2: a row would suit you well before Iowa State and

2504
02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:13,680
Speaker 2: Arizona come up next on the schedule. Yeah, I mean

2505
02:13:13,840 --> 02:13:17,480
Speaker 2: when these now, I mean it's probably later than now

2506
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:19,560
Speaker 2: or never for the Bearcats, they're eight and six.

2507
02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:23,480
Speaker 40: They do have Arizona and Iowa State in Texas Town

2508
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:25,920
Speaker 40: and hus. I mean, they play some of the best

2509
02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:27,800
Speaker 40: teams in the country.

2510
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:30,640
Speaker 2: You gotta win. These can't be fifty to fifty games.

2511
02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:34,880
Speaker 40: I mean, like you start to do the bath if

2512
02:13:34,920 --> 02:13:37,240
Speaker 40: you are, and I'm not sure most fans are, but

2513
02:13:37,280 --> 02:13:40,440
Speaker 40: if you are clinging to the idea that this team

2514
02:13:40,480 --> 02:13:43,440
Speaker 40: could still have its name called on selection Sunday, Oh,

2515
02:13:43,480 --> 02:13:46,240
Speaker 40: how does that happen if they don't win all of

2516
02:13:46,280 --> 02:13:48,720
Speaker 40: those fifty to fifty games, right, Because you still have

2517
02:13:48,840 --> 02:13:51,400
Speaker 40: a loss to Eastern Michigan to make up for, you

2518
02:13:51,400 --> 02:13:53,720
Speaker 40: have a loss to Xavier to make up for, you

2519
02:13:53,760 --> 02:13:57,080
Speaker 40: have six losses total, and you have some losses still

2520
02:13:57,080 --> 02:13:57,640
Speaker 40: in front of you.

2521
02:13:57,720 --> 02:14:00,120
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, it's the most frustrating part because if

2522
02:14:00,160 --> 02:14:02,480
Speaker 2: the Houston loss is in the vacuum of your non

2523
02:14:02,480 --> 02:14:05,160
Speaker 2: conference you lost to a top twenty Louisville team, you

2524
02:14:05,480 --> 02:14:07,920
Speaker 2: lost to a top twenty Georgia team now, and a

2525
02:14:07,960 --> 02:14:11,480
Speaker 2: good Clemson team, you could probably talk your way into

2526
02:14:12,120 --> 02:14:14,560
Speaker 2: going forward. The fact that you didn't play hard against

2527
02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:16,840
Speaker 2: Eastern Michigan I was there. It wasn't the same effort

2528
02:14:16,880 --> 02:14:19,360
Speaker 2: that we saw on Saturday. The effort we saw on

2529
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:21,440
Speaker 2: Saturday wasn't the effort I saw at the Sintas Center.

2530
02:14:21,800 --> 02:14:24,520
Speaker 2: If you win those two games, your season is still

2531
02:14:24,520 --> 02:14:26,560
Speaker 2: in front of you. The fact that you lost those

2532
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:28,400
Speaker 2: two games, as you mentioned, and now you're eight and

2533
02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:30,680
Speaker 2: six it I don't know what else you want to

2534
02:14:30,680 --> 02:14:31,080
Speaker 2: get out of it.

2535
02:14:31,120 --> 02:14:35,320
Speaker 40: Ten and four with no bad losses. And Xavier fans

2536
02:14:35,360 --> 02:14:37,520
Speaker 40: might get mad at me for saying bad low, but

2537
02:14:37,560 --> 02:14:38,280
Speaker 40: it's a bad loss.

2538
02:14:38,760 --> 02:14:39,240
Speaker 2: Call what it is?

2539
02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:42,400
Speaker 40: Well after either it's a Q three loss and Xavier

2540
02:14:42,440 --> 02:14:45,919
Speaker 40: hasn't exactly you know, catapulted themselves into the tournament conversation

2541
02:14:46,040 --> 02:14:46,880
Speaker 40: since the shootout.

2542
02:14:47,440 --> 02:14:48,320
Speaker 2: If you're ten and.

2543
02:14:48,240 --> 02:14:50,560
Speaker 40: Four with no bad losses, it's a lot different than

2544
02:14:50,640 --> 02:14:54,960
Speaker 40: eight and six. And then there's just the basketball part

2545
02:14:55,000 --> 02:14:57,160
Speaker 40: of it, Like okay, they played really well in the

2546
02:14:57,200 --> 02:15:00,000
Speaker 40: second half against Clemson, they fell behind thirty to five.

2547
02:15:00,640 --> 02:15:03,040
Speaker 40: They did a lot of really good things against Houston.

2548
02:15:02,760 --> 02:15:04,320
Speaker 2: Scored four points in the first ten minutes.

2549
02:15:04,400 --> 02:15:06,480
Speaker 40: They scored four points in the first ten minutes and

2550
02:15:06,560 --> 02:15:08,800
Speaker 40: didn't get a shot off between the three fifty two

2551
02:15:08,880 --> 02:15:11,320
Speaker 40: mark and like the four or five second mark at

2552
02:15:11,320 --> 02:15:13,560
Speaker 40: the end of the game. Like the basketball part of

2553
02:15:13,600 --> 02:15:16,400
Speaker 40: this has to be better regardless of who they're playing against.

2554
02:15:17,040 --> 02:15:19,000
Speaker 2: Maybe it'll be better enough of that. I will still

2555
02:15:19,000 --> 02:15:22,040
Speaker 2: tune in and listen tonight, hopeful and ready to get

2556
02:15:22,080 --> 02:15:25,600
Speaker 2: my heart broken again excited. Well, you see, basketball, Yeah,

2557
02:15:25,680 --> 02:15:29,680
Speaker 2: brings me great joy. Yep, more joy some years than others.

2558
02:15:29,760 --> 02:15:33,080
Speaker 2: Think like an off season, like I don't know how

2559
02:15:33,440 --> 02:15:35,920
Speaker 2: a seance if is the right word, or if we

2560
02:15:35,960 --> 02:15:38,320
Speaker 2: get a bonfire somewhere together and folks can just maybe

2561
02:15:38,320 --> 02:15:43,920
Speaker 2: bring small sacrifices items of clothing from these teams. We

2562
02:15:44,040 --> 02:15:47,240
Speaker 2: seem to be just cursed right now with was.

2563
02:15:47,240 --> 02:15:50,920
Speaker 40: It the Last Dance where Phil Jackson has everybody like

2564
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:52,800
Speaker 40: write something down and put it in a coffee can

2565
02:15:52,840 --> 02:15:53,240
Speaker 40: and burn it.

2566
02:15:53,320 --> 02:15:55,400
Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking here, We'll do that. Then why

2567
02:15:55,480 --> 02:15:58,040
Speaker 2: not do something like that with Reds do something like

2568
02:15:58,080 --> 02:15:59,920
Speaker 2: that a few years ago and they bury a bat.

2569
02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:03,600
Speaker 40: Remember the Unfortunately he has since passed, but the old

2570
02:16:03,640 --> 02:16:05,800
Speaker 40: coach of the Raiders, Tony Sperano.

2571
02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:08,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, like buried a football in the end zone.

2572
02:16:08,320 --> 02:16:10,040
Speaker 40: Or something, because we did a whole show on like

2573
02:16:10,080 --> 02:16:13,600
Speaker 40: some of the dumbest like you know, coaching gimmicks of

2574
02:16:13,600 --> 02:16:14,080
Speaker 40: all time.

2575
02:16:14,480 --> 02:16:16,160
Speaker 2: Maybe just we as a city should do that.

2576
02:16:16,280 --> 02:16:19,600
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure Tucker Barnhardt like burnt a bat and

2577
02:16:19,600 --> 02:16:22,360
Speaker 3: buried it or something. It wasn't like he was using

2578
02:16:22,360 --> 02:16:23,400
Speaker 3: it to hit, No kidding.

2579
02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:25,600
Speaker 2: Shout out as well. Speaking of Reds baseball, Ellie de

2580
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Speaker 2: la Cruz set to make about four point two million

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Speaker 2: dollars less than Brendan swaresby this upcoming season. Lord, let

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Speaker 2: that sink in. Just let that sink in for a moment.

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Speaker 40: Tony Pike's quarterback Academy five mil, Verse eight hundred and

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Speaker 40: twenty thousand.

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Speaker 3: Ellie's it can go play football somewhere. It's incredible, very

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Speaker 3: KATCHIKUSA receiver. Hell, he's probably eligible.

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Speaker 40: Ellie should commit like a reckless driving offense so he

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Speaker 40: could get five days in jail during the season and

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Speaker 40: get a day off.

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Speaker 2: Let us he'd come out of there rested.

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Speaker 3: Tino would still figure out a way to play him,

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Speaker 3: but it didn't matter. He doesn't steal anything, so he

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Speaker 3: won't get arrested.

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Speaker 2: Walk out there, but I'm done. Bullwigger's next on the

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Speaker 2: sb HAD fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Have a great

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Speaker 2: rest of your Tuesday mission. New yeark cleanup has begun

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Speaker 2: with the agents and