1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,960 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to it. 2 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 2: Hugh Mellon joins us right now on the radio program 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 2: A Little More at four, or our friend Huey Millan, 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: who's with us now on a Monday afternoon. 5 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Hue how are you man? I'm doing well. 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 3: Guys, how are you doing good? 7 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 4: Well? 8 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 2: As always, before we dive into details, man, you have 9 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: the floor, you have the con man. Give us your 10 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: take on a two point loss to the Rams that 11 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: was included with four interceptions for the third time in 12 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: Sam Darnold's career. 13 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: What'd you make what you saw yesterday? 14 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 5: Well? 15 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 3: I was exceedingly disappointed. 16 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 6: I mean, right after we missed the field goal, I 17 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 6: yelled out an F bomb that scared the dog. So 18 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 6: I want to talk out of both sides of my 19 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 6: mouth in this regard. And I was as frustrated with 20 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 6: Sam Darnold and his decisions as anybody. We'll talk about 21 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 6: all that, but you know, as this moves in past 22 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 6: twenty four hours, I'll say this, it's possible that what 23 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 6: happened yesterday it actually increases the chance of the Seahawks 24 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 6: making a deep run in the playoffs and even winning 25 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 6: the Super Bowl. Let me explain what I mean if, 26 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 6: and again I wanted them to win. I was not 27 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 6: strategizing this beforehand. I'm just saying, based on where we 28 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 6: are now, if the Seahawks have a mature response to this, 29 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 6: a competitor's response to this, what you guys tell me 30 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 6: what would be happening right now? Seattle had won that game. 31 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 6: Let's say Darnold only throws one interception, Seattle wins by 32 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 6: ten or twelve points. 33 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: What would be happening right. 34 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 2: People would say they're the favorite to win the whole thing. Yes, 35 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: number winning the power rankings right. Well, I've been on 36 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 2: a Super Bowl team that was widely known to be 37 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 2: the best team in the NFL with the Dallas Cowboys 38 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: right during that era when they were winning Super Bowls, 39 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: and I've been on other playoff teams that weren't as dominant. 40 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: I don't think Seattle this year is good. 41 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 6: Enough to really be, you know, the tip of the 42 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 6: spear of the NFL, like taking everybody's best shot. It's 43 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 6: a cliche, but I'm telling you it's real. You can 44 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 6: feel it in the stadium the fans. You know, one 45 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 6: little stop on a second and seven for three yards, 46 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 6: the place goes crazy. You're you're getting everybody's best shot. 47 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 6: Had Seattle won this game, you know it's possible. I'm 48 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 6: just looking at the schedule. Maybe you go down to Atlanta, 49 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 6: I know, on Pennix's out, but Cousins has beat people, 50 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 6: Atlanta beat Buffalo in that stadium. Maybe if you had 51 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 6: won that game and you're taking everybody's best, you know, 52 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 6: Minnesota's best. You know the Colts hell the Colts are 53 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 6: number one in the NFL, and yards they got playmakers 54 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 6: all around. Daniel Jones like like it's possible that they 55 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 6: could have kicked a game instead of yesterday. Now instead, Okay, 56 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 6: let's just draft behind using an auto racing term, right, 57 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 6: let's just draft behind. Let let the Rams take on 58 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 6: all that headwind and and and really on. On January fourth, 59 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 6: when the Seahawks get on that plane after having played 60 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 6: the forty nine ers in the last game of the season, 61 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 6: there's only three objectives for where you want to be 62 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 6: when you get on that plane. You want to have 63 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 6: one enough games to be in the playoffs and hopefully 64 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 6: have a good seating. Number one, you want to be healthy, 65 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 6: and you want to be peaking schematically from an energy standpoint. 66 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 6: And I just there's not many teams who can peak 67 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 6: for an entire half of the year and be good 68 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 6: enough to just take on everybody and stay, yeah, we're 69 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 6: the baddest. Everybody knows where the baddest. We're gonna come in, 70 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 6: give us your best shot. We're still going to bootstomp you. 71 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 6: Like that's rare. Maybe the Seahawks will be there next year. 72 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 6: Maybe this is like the twenty twelve Seas. Maybe maybe 73 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 6: this is one of the teams that they can just 74 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 6: as I said, draft and find a way to sneak 75 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 6: in and be dominant and play their best football in 76 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 6: January and February. So I'm trying to find a silver 77 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 6: lining in that. It all really depends on I think 78 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 6: the Dee they continue to prove it. It's going to 79 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 6: depend on Sam Darnold. Where is his emotional state? And 80 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 6: I would liken it to you know, if you scout 81 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 6: a kicker coming out of college or whatever, you're not 82 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 6: just scouting his leg You're scouting his mentality. Is does 83 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 6: this guy have the clutch? He does he relish the 84 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 6: game winning kick? 85 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 86 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 3: Right? 87 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 6: And so I think in that regard, if you can 88 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 6: identify with that and something simple like a kicker. Obviously 89 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 6: that applies to a quarterback. We don't know if this 90 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 6: guy has the chops to be able to rise up 91 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 6: and play his best football in the biggest games because 92 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 6: he hasn't had but a few opportunities, and of late 93 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 6: he hasn't performed in those opportunities. 94 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 7: What is a reasonable sample size then, Hugh, He's got 95 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 7: three more games against playoff teams, the Colts, the Rams, 96 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 7: and the Niners. Is that enough of a sample size 97 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 7: going into this playoff? If he performs well in two 98 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 7: of the three or all three of the three, that. 99 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 6: We should say, okay, now he can win big games. Well, 100 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 6: I think the Rams are you know, a test like 101 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 6: in a syllabus. You know that that's the test that 102 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 6: has the most you know, points for for your final grade. Right, 103 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 6: I like, I get you the Colts, but you're not 104 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 6: You're not gonna I don't. 105 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 5: I don't. 106 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 6: I don't feel like viscerally you're gonna have the same response. Now, 107 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 6: if the Colts are undefeated between now and then, uh, 108 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 6: you know, they could come in and it's conceivable that 109 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 6: Sam could rehabilitate himself in that game. But I feel 110 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 6: like it's most likely going to happen in the RAM game. Uh, 111 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 6: you know, depending on how the Rams do. 112 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: But but but. 113 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: That's the game. 114 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 6: We don't We won't know for a month, and that's 115 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 6: gonna be a long month for him. But you know what, 116 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 6: that's why it's hard to play the position. He's just 117 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 6: got a flat out cowboy up right, and in terms 118 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 6: of just having real fortitude and you know, mental strength 119 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 6: to battle through all the crap that he's going to 120 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 6: hear for the next month. 121 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: Well, Humilin is with us and Hugh. 122 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: Going back to to yesterday's game, Uh, the final drive. 123 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 2: I said this to Dick in the open. I'm curious 124 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 2: about your thoughts on it. I thought there was an 125 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: opportunity or two some of it, I understand, by the way, 126 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: because of new guys like Rashid Shiheed being on the 127 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: roster and maybe Darnold taking an extra second to get 128 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: him lined up properly on that first down play from 129 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 2: the one. 130 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought. 131 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: There was a chance to maybe squeeze in an extra 132 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: play or two on that last drive. 133 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: Did you feel that way? 134 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? 135 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, I felt like they were wasting too much time. 136 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 6: I mean, you got to get up there. You know, 137 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 6: it's a fine line, because you can have a vanilla 138 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 6: play run from a vanilla formation and you just kind 139 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 6: of hope that they run a vanilla defense. You know, 140 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 6: I think that Kubiak, you know, it's a balance. It's like, okay, 141 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 6: I really think, based on what I'm seeing that this 142 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 6: is our best shot. But of course, as you said, 143 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 6: you got to line up with specificity, and so it 144 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 6: takes a few more seconds. But yeah, I think as 145 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 6: they review that they'll they'll they'll realize that they squandered 146 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 6: some seconds that could have been vital. 147 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 5: Here. 148 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 7: From the one oh four mark in the first quarter 149 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 7: till the end of the game, the Rams ran twenty 150 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 7: nine plays for one hundred and ten yards three point 151 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 7: seventy to nine yards per play, had the ball for 152 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 7: eleven minutes and forty three seconds. What were the adjustments 153 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 7: made by just the brainiac Mike McDonald in the last 154 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 7: three quarters of that game. 155 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I think you had a couple of plays 156 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 6: where Ernest Jones got out of a gap, you know, 157 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 6: on a weak side lead when Emon Worry's got the 158 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 6: outside half of the of the beat what's called the 159 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 6: beg gap between the garden and tackle. Ernst Jones has 160 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,679 Speaker 6: got to have the inside half of that. He didn't 161 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 6: get there. On a stretch play, the bubble tackle on 162 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 6: the left tackle for the rams, he's gonna rise up 163 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 6: to get the mic Ernstone's got to fight over the 164 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 6: top of that block. So in those situations, the second 165 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 6: level was missing in terms of the run fits. And 166 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 6: then in both of those plays Kobe Bryant miss tackles 167 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 6: at the third level. So in each of those runs 168 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 6: he had over thirty yards. They and so they were 169 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 6: better at the gap gaps, and they and the safeties 170 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 6: were filling faster so they didn't have to make the 171 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 6: tackle in space, could just come up and thump and 172 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 6: and you know, think of if you're a kicker and 173 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 6: you are going to make a tackle on a kickoff return, 174 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 6: you want to get up in the hole. You don't 175 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 6: want to be out there in space trying to make 176 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 6: that tackle. So if you can kind of lock into 177 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 6: that philosophy, well, obviously safeties are better tacklers than kickers. 178 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 3: But if the. 179 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 6: Safety can get up in the hole and just bring it, 180 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 6: you know, five or six yards at the lines from 181 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage as opposed to eight, nine or 182 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 6: twelve yards from the line screams, you got a better chance. 183 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 6: I thought they were filling faster in that regard, as 184 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 6: far as they played more man to man there in 185 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 6: the second quarter, so that they were able to run 186 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 6: around the blocks on the tight end screen, so they 187 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 6: weren't getting burned by that, you know, you know. 188 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 3: And then they they just were more active. 189 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 6: They brought more simulated pressures, particularly off of Stafford's right side. 190 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 6: He's right handed quarterback obviously, and I thought that they 191 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 6: had some free runners that they created and really attacked 192 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 6: Blitz as it was phenomenal and Dick just to close 193 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 6: on it, there's so much to bark about with Mike McDonald, 194 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 6: but you asked me on Friday aptly so about the 195 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 6: Seahawks use of excuse me, the Rams use of thirteen personnel. 196 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 6: That's the one running back the three tight ends, you know, 197 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 6: and Greg Olsen is you know, from a scheme standpoint, 198 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 6: he's as good analysts as there is out there, right, 199 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 6: and so he's on that. He works his tailoff and 200 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 6: over the last three games in thirteen personnel, the Rams 201 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 6: had gained two hundred and two yards against the forty 202 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 6: nineers one hundred and sixty seven before that one hundred 203 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 6: and twelve yards. They were averaging one hundred and sixty 204 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 6: yards per game over the last three from that personnel group, 205 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 6: the Seahawks holding to forty nine. They had been the 206 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 6: Rams at five point four yards per play. They were 207 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 6: two point seven. The Seahawks cut it exactly in half. 208 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 6: And for Matthew Stafford flying high going yeah, man, seven 209 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 6: point eight net yards per pass attempt, you know, leading 210 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 6: in the Seahawks. I love thirteen personnel. Well, the Seahawks 211 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 6: held him two point. 212 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: Seven right, wow, right? 213 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 6: Not not seven yard yeah, which would be slightly under 214 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 6: point seven. So you know, there's just every time you dig, 215 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 6: every time you watch the tape, you just you just 216 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 6: kind of love, uh, you know what what he brings 217 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 6: schematically and young guys like Emon. 218 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 3: Worry and you know, I mean Emon Worry. 219 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 6: I could just do a whole segment on him and 220 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 6: and Witherspoon and they just got some dogs, man that 221 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 6: they play together and they are feisty. 222 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 3: I don't know, it's fun to watch that. 223 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: You let me go back to Donald for a minute, 224 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: and I want to I want to ask you a 225 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 2: two part question, all right. I want you to give 226 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: me like a like a like a two minute answer, 227 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: because I've got a bunch of stuff we gotta squeeze 228 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: in here in the next six minutes. First of all, 229 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: I'm one, I'm curious if there was any kind of 230 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 2: a blueprint provided by the Rams against Sam Donald that 231 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: other teams will try and rip off. 232 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: And then as the next quarterback, I. 233 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 2: Want to get your thoughts on this quote from Ernest 234 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: Jones after the game. He was talking about all the 235 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: criticism of Sam Darnald after throwing four picks. 236 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 8: I mean, Sam's been bothering, right if we want to 237 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 8: try to define Sam by this game, and man, Sam's 238 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 8: been had us in every game, So for him to 239 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 8: sit there and say, oh, that's my fault, No, it's not. 240 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 8: It was plays that defensively, we could have made plays. 241 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 8: There were opportunities where we could have got better stops. Yeah, 242 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 8: I mean, like it's football, man, he's our quarterback. We 243 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 8: got his back, and we got anything to say. 244 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: Quite frankly, quite frankly, f you says Ernest Jones, what 245 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 2: does that mean to you as a quarterback when your 246 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: linebacker says that? 247 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: And did the Rams provide a blueprint? 248 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 6: Well, I'll take the Ernest Jones. First, I hear a 249 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 6: rational response from him and an emotional response. The rational 250 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 6: response was, look at where we are. We're here because 251 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 6: of all the things Samon Darnald has had. That is 252 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 6: absolutely true, and it's good that the defensive captain and 253 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 6: the guy with the green dot calling the plays recognize that. 254 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 6: Then there's an emotional response because of the nature of 255 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 6: Sam Donald. You know how he is. 256 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: That's just that good guy. 257 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 6: Uh, you know, professional, Uh you know how he leads 258 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 6: and and uh, you know, he's an ego list guy. 259 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: I think that he's very likable. 260 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 6: I think that they respect his playmaking, they respect his 261 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 6: toughness and what have you and and what he's done. 262 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 6: And you know, look, he came into the game against 263 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 6: the Rams. He was he was number one in the 264 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 6: NFL and QBR, which has a higher correlation to winning 265 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 6: than passer rating, and he was number one in the 266 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 6: subjective part of it, Pro Football Focus. He was the 267 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 6: number one graded quarterback. So so I think that Ernest 268 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 6: Jones sees that and he probably knows, hey, this has 269 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 6: to work, right because nothing's Jalen Milro has been a 270 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 6: nothing burger, right. Drew Locke by all accounts is going 271 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 6: to be a career backup like this has to work, 272 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 6: and so maybe there's a little bit of a self 273 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 6: preservation in that. But I just think it's what I 274 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 6: said before he recognized that. And then as far as 275 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 6: as Donald the blueprint, Look, I think the Rams, I've 276 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 6: really studied them on a number of games, and I 277 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 6: tried to convey it to you guys last week. I 278 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 6: think that they are really talented on defense at all levels. 279 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 6: They are extremely well coached by Chris Sula, grandson of 280 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 6: Don Shula, And you know, I think they're they're hard, 281 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 6: hard to move the football, and they're second second in points. Uh, 282 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 6: they're second and yards, second and third down, you know, 283 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 6: first in in uh preventing. 284 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 3: Yak after reception. 285 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 6: I mean, you just go through the matrix that that 286 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 6: team when you watch them on they disguise well. So 287 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 6: if you've got all those parts and they can play 288 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 6: some dime deep, if they've got a lot of dbs 289 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 6: that can really trigger on the ball, they can they 290 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 6: can squad on the ball. And then the that that interception, 291 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 6: the on the on the sideline on the third quarter, 292 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 6: the out route to J s N. You watch, uh, 293 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 6: you watch this corner, he like, he starts to go 294 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 6: turn into a three quarter turn or see me a 295 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 6: half turn with his knees in, and he's bailing to 296 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 6: go defend the deep route. And then when he reads 297 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 6: that it's an out route, he turns his hips and 298 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 6: just triggers so hard. That was a I don't know 299 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 6: if he's a Pro Bowl player. That was a all 300 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 6: pro level hip turn and drive on a football. So 301 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 6: I just think they got good dudes. And the disguising 302 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 6: I don't think there's a blueprint. I mean, you can 303 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 6: try and disguise him. And also, you know what, and 304 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 6: Darnald had a lot of pressure. There was a lot 305 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 6: of times where he there was a second or third 306 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 6: open receiver and he couldn't get to him because of 307 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 6: the pressure. 308 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 7: Hugh, you talked about the narrative of what we'd be 309 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 7: talking about if the Seahawks were to win that game. 310 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 7: I want to talk about the narrative of Sam Darnold 311 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 7: if Jason Myers makes that kick. If Jason Myers makes 312 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 7: that kick, Sam led them to twenty one plays for 313 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 7: one hundred and forty yards and a touchdown seven of 314 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 7: seven eighty yards on one drive, five of eight thirty 315 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 7: nine yards on the next Can we take some solace 316 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 7: in that part of Sam Darnold that when it was 317 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 7: that you know what hit the fan in the last 318 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 7: two drives, he did a really nice job. 319 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely, I mean put you say, put it in 320 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 6: a position to win. I don't know how how how 321 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 6: much you would describe sixty one yard field goal as 322 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 6: a position to win, but but certainly for him, I 323 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 6: think he'll derive confidence from that. I'm not in his head, 324 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 6: but that's that's a good close. And then the other 325 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 6: part of it is that's difficult when you've already got 326 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 6: four interceptions under your belt. You know, it's hard for 327 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 6: a quarterback to push that aside and just say, hey, 328 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 6: I'm still gonna have to try. And you know, particularly 329 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 6: in those situations where I'm gonna have to be a 330 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 6: little bit aggressive to try and get some chunk plays. 331 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 6: I can't go check down Charlie just because I've had 332 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 6: four picks, right like, for us to win this game, 333 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna need to find some you know, 334 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 6: mailbox down the field that I can stuff this ball into. 335 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 6: And so yeah, absolutely, Dick there you can you can 336 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 6: takes some some I don't know, Solace, but in encouragement 337 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 6: from that, all. 338 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: Right, one minute, and I swear to God, if it's 339 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: not a minute, I'm gonna cut you off, all right, 340 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: because we've got to get to a break. First of all, 341 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: great news that Grey's Abel has avoided a significant injury. 342 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: He's day to day, says McDonald's. So great news there. 343 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: And then I'm wondering what's going on with Kenny Walker 344 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: man last drive of the game. He's not even on 345 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: the field, that is all Zach Charbonay. And then McDonald 346 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: came out today and said Ken is showing he deserves 347 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: some more opportunities, to which I would ask, what's he 348 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: shown that he doesn't deserve opportunities? Can you explain what 349 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: they're thinking is with Zach Sharbonay over Kenny Walker? 350 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: At times. 351 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 6: Maybe they think that Zach Sharbonay is just a little 352 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 6: bit more reliable, but on a successful percentage, google it 353 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 6: that we don't have the time. While Sarboney is forty 354 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 6: four point eight percent, Canine is forty four point one percent. 355 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 6: That's kind of like a batting average, but the slugging percentage. 356 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 6: To carry out the analogy, well, well, Canine is sixth 357 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 6: in the NFL of all twenty nine running backs who 358 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 6: have one hundred more yards excuse me attempts rushing attempts, 359 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 6: Canine is six in the NFL, and explosive run percent 360 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 6: Zach is is dead last at three point eight twenty 361 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 6: ninth out of twenty ninth a plus twenty runs. Oh 362 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 6: and also he's Zach Sarbonny is dead last in yards pertemp. 363 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 6: He's dead last in explosive run percentage. 364 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: Well. 365 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 6: While Canine has seven runs of twenty or more yards, 366 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 6: Zach has won. While Canine has nineteen rushes of ten 367 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 6: yards or more, Zach has four. I don't get it. 368 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 6: My eyes tell me that there's just way more explosiveness, 369 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 6: more bursts, even as a receiver out of the backfield, 370 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 6: catching that checkdown in the left alley and zooming up 371 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 6: the sideline like he was on a turbo button on 372 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 6: an Xbox like either's just your eyes tell you he's 373 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 6: much more explosive. The numbers tell you he's much more explosive, 374 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 6: equally reliable in terms of just kind of grinding out 375 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 6: the tough yards. I don't get it to meet Canine 376 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 6: as the guy, and it's not close. I love it 377 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 6: all right, great stuff. 378 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 2: We'll talk Friday, man, see you bout it with us. 379 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: We're gonna break big news for the Mavengers. We'll explain 380 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: next on ninety three three kJ a r F. 381 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: M from the R and R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio. 382 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 4: Now back to Softie and Dick on your home for 383 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 4: the Huskies, Kraken and the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety 384 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 4: three point three kJ R FM to the game. 385 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 9: Hold up, he touch horolight, scorchave it home, hold on 386 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 9: to the plans, catch to the light. 387 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 5: Duane. 388 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: Hi, There you go, the voice of Aaron Goldsmith. 389 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 2: Hopefully we will hear a lot more of that in 390 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 2: the next five years. The Mariners made it official Josh 391 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 2: Naylor a press conference tomorrow morning at ten thirty at 392 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: te Mobile Park, where they will introduce him for the 393 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: foreseeable future as the first basement of the Sea Attult. 394 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 2: Mariners reports now trickling out Dick five years, ninety two 395 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 2: point five million dollars eighteen point five million per season, 396 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 2: which makes him, I believe, the one two, three, four, 397 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 2: five six seven eighth highest paid first baseman average annual 398 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 2: per year based on last year's numbers. Some of these 399 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: numbers may go up, but you know he's right there 400 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: in the top ten. I mean, I just think it's 401 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: a great deal. It's a team friendly deal by the Mariners, 402 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 2: and the fact that it's five years, I'm totally fine with. 403 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: We talked about this on Thursday. 404 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit around and worry about where 405 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: this thing is going to be when he's thirty two 406 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: years old in two thoy thirty, if Josh Naylor can 407 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: give them a solid three four years of this contract 408 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 2: and help them get to a wor World Series, and 409 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 2: the price I have to pay is maybe overpaying a 410 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: little bit in five years from now, when, by the way, 411 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: in five years from now, eighteen point five million might 412 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 2: be the twentieth highest paid first baseman in Major League Baseball. 413 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 2: I think it's great. So get him in, get him 414 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 2: locked in. I was expecting this to happen. I was 415 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 2: slightly slightly nervous it wasn't going to But I thought 416 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 2: the idea of losing Josh Nayler to anybody in free agency, 417 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 2: barring some ediot offering him fifty million dollars a year, 418 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: would have been a total disaster. 419 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: And it's not going down that road. 420 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 7: No, it's a fabulous deal. I mean I was guessing 421 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 7: at the price. 422 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: Essay. 423 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 7: My mom was actually asking me, what are we going 424 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 7: to pay him? And I said, well, I say. 425 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 2: Is this before after she mother f Sam Darnold by 426 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 2: the way in the midst Okay got it in the 427 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 2: mid Yeah. 428 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 429 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 7: I quickly changed the subject to Jeffshonnaylor to make her 430 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 7: feel better. I said, probably a hundred. But if we're 431 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 7: lucky ninety, that's what I said, So we're we're closer 432 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 7: to her lucky side than we are what I what 433 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 7: I actually thought he could end up getting. I just 434 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 7: I just marveled these numbers, guys t Mobile Park last year. Yeah, 435 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 7: three sixty batting average, ten to fifteen ops right at 436 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 7: te Mobile Park. And he has said he's like maybe 437 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 7: the only person ever that said I really enjoy hitting 438 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 7: at this park. 439 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: I mean, there's. 440 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 7: Probably somebody else that said that down the road, but 441 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 7: it certainly doesn't happen very often. I'm just wondering, is 442 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 7: is this a shift in philosophy by the ownership or 443 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 7: is this just the twenty twenty five version of the 444 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 7: Luis Castile deal. 445 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that question. 446 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 7: Because it's basically what they did with Castelle, right. They 447 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 7: traded for him, he was great for him down the stretch, 448 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 7: took him to the playoffs, and. 449 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:32,479 Speaker 1: So they rewarded him. 450 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 7: So I don't know if it's a shift in philosophy. 451 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 2: Or not, but I love it so among Mariner I 452 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 2: guess I don't want to say regulars because Nigeler only 453 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: played fifty four games with the team this year, and 454 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: he played twenty five games I believe at home, but 455 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: among the everyday players at the end of the year, 456 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: and it's hard to look at a twenty six game 457 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: sample and think a lot. He had the highest ops 458 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: at home among anybody ten point fifteen, as you said, 459 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 2: compared to nine ozho two for Polonco, eight ninety three 460 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: for cal Raley and in forty three career games, which 461 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 2: is not again a ton, but it's not nothing. 462 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: Eight seventy ops at team mobiles. 463 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: So that's one of the reasons why you could not 464 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: justify this guy walking that you finally found a guy 465 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: who you know delivers at tea mobile. He's a clutch player, 466 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 2: The players love him, the fans love him. He wants 467 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: to be or he brings energy in a spark to 468 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 2: the clubhouse. 469 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: How in the hell can you let that guy walk? 470 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 2: But then to answer your question, is this a shift 471 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 2: in philosophy, Well, let's see what else they do right right, 472 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 2: because it looks like they've saved maybe a little bit 473 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 2: of money. And maybe one of the reasons why they 474 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 2: did save some money is because they went to the 475 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 2: fifth year, which we'll talk more about in a second. 476 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: But if they go out and use that extra money 477 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 2: to get a right fielder, maybe a third baseman, to 478 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: kind of bring Williamson along, maybe even slower than what. 479 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: They've been doing some bullpen arms. 480 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: I know they made the trade for the guy from 481 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 2: the Dodgers over the weekend, but not expecting a lot 482 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: from that kid. 483 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: I just want to see what they do. 484 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 2: And I've said it kind of sarcastically that look, man, 485 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 2: if there's ever a time in John Stanton's life, Chris 486 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 2: Larsen all the owners of this baseball team to wake 487 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 2: up and just be thinking World Series every day, it's 488 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: right now and asking themselves what have they done today 489 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 2: to make this team better to give them a shot 490 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: to make the World Series. So this is great that 491 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: they're bringing them back. It cannot be all of it though. 492 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 2: They cannot be done, and there's no way that they're done. 493 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 2: It's the seventeenth of November. The season doesn't start for 494 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: five months. Can you imagine the next five months, And 495 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: this is the only thing they do of significance over 496 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 2: the offseason. 497 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: No way. I'm not buying that. I'm not buying it. 498 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,719 Speaker 1: I will put my neck out for them. I'm not 499 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: buying well. 500 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 7: And then the data is there because they said that 501 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 7: their payroll is going to be where it ended last year. 502 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: That's right, twenty million off of that, so Garver's money, 503 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: all that stuff. So I'm looking. You know, I might 504 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: be the world's biggest bozo. Don't answer that, by the way, 505 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: but I might be the world's biggest sucker. I'm gonna 506 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 2: stick my neck out and say that, Dick, they are 507 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: not done, that they are motivated by what happened this year, 508 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: and they're not done. 509 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 7: I'd agree they're not done. But I think this is 510 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 7: the biggest move. I mean, I don't think they. I mean, 511 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 7: this is clearly the A move of an A. They'll 512 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 7: probably do an A B in a C and Polonko's 513 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 7: probably the B. Yeah, I mean let's hope Polonco's the 514 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 7: C right and there's actually a B because they need 515 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 7: another hitter. That's like a B move, and then they 516 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 7: need to bring in a left handed Marietta add if 517 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 7: they add another hitter and they add a reliever and 518 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 7: they bring Polonco back, I am satisfied with the off season. 519 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 7: And then let's see where they are in July and 520 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 7: then go get a big slugger at the trade deadline, 521 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 7: like you got two sluggers this year. 522 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: Well, I think I think there's a couple of things 523 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 2: for me. I don't want to fall into a trap 524 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 2: of just saying do X, y Z and I'm satisfied. Like, 525 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: let's see what other players go for, right, Yeah, Let's 526 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 2: see what other players sign for. Like the guy that 527 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: Chuck wanted to sign with the Dodgers a year ago, 528 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: whatever his name was. There were two of them with 529 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 2: the same name, remember the guy, and it was like nothing. 530 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 2: It was a turd of a deal, Like what are 531 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 2: we doing? We can't get involved in that. So I 532 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 2: want to see what other deals look like Number one 533 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 2: and the number two. I think it's pretty simple for me, guys. 534 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 2: I want to compare the roster that we had in 535 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 2: Game seven against Toronto to the roster we have on 536 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: opening day. How much has it improved? I want to 537 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: play add on how much better has this roster gotten 538 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: since that final game against Toronto. So look again, it 539 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: doesn't need to be big money deal. I don't care 540 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 2: about the money. I don't care about not spending money. 541 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: I don't care about spending money. I just want better players. 542 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 2: I want better players, and sometimes that takes doing that 543 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 2: spending cash. But maybe the reason why they got I remember 544 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: David Samson was on with You and Me on Thursday 545 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: night of last week, the former president of the Marlins, 546 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 2: and there was a rumor going around that it would 547 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: take a five year deal, not a four year deal 548 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 2: to get Josh Shnailor done. This is what David Samson 549 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 2: said Thursday night about that. 550 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 5: For me, are you really going to go five years 551 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 5: for Josh Nayler? Is that really a plan that you 552 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 5: would suggest is proper? I just don't know that I 553 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 5: would do. 554 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 10: They though, think though that hey, if there's ever a year, 555 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 10: though David, to maybe go a little bit above what 556 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 10: we're comfortable with, maybe at another year. It's right now 557 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 10: because of the window that we're in with this pitching 558 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 10: staff and the roster that we have. 559 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: Is that fair? Again? 560 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 5: I did that all the time. You know, you want 561 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 5: to get the players so badly during the offseason. You 562 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 5: want to win the offseason because it feels good to 563 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 5: the fans, it feels good to you, and you give 564 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 5: the extra year. But all of a sudden, that extra 565 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 5: year comes quick and you are despondent, beyond repair. And 566 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 5: that is the toughest battle the front office's face when 567 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 5: they look themselves in the mirror. What's an extra year? 568 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 5: I probably won't even have a job, and half the 569 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 5: fans I just can get good press for the now, 570 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 5: can have a great press conference. Let me not worry 571 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 5: about it. But as an owner or a team president, 572 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 5: you've got to think about that because that extra year comes. 573 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 2: So he'll be thirty three in the middle of his 574 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: fifth year with the Mariners. He'll be twenty nine next June. Okay, 575 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: he'll be thirty three. If the Mariners get this done 576 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 2: between now and then, I promise you they won't give 577 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: a damn what they're paying him in two thousands. 578 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 7: That's right, But I mean I'd be shocked if he's 579 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 7: the starting first base on that. 580 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: Fine, so what. 581 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 7: Donned so what so? And I mean, hey, we got 582 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 7: it done. If it took the fifth year to get 583 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 7: it done, fine, I'm usually on the side of David 584 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 7: Sampson on these particular things, but I know you are. 585 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 7: But this is Naylor. Naylor is different, right, because we 586 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 7: have seen what kind of fit he is. Part of 587 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 7: the reason I'm worried about bringing free agents in is 588 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 7: because I don't know if they're. 589 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: Gonna fit, right. 590 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 7: That's one of the main reasons that I don't like 591 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 7: to overpay for other people's free agents. This I already 592 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 7: know is going to work. I'm you know, with my 593 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 7: own eyes. So therefore I'm much more likely to get 594 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 7: one to yea reasonably give up the fifty. 595 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 2: I just would love to know. And I'm trying to 596 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 2: look it up where eighteen point five mil would have 597 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 2: been five years ago, and where it would have been 598 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: ten years ago, and where it's going to be in 599 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: five years from now. I just to me, it's not 600 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: even a factor, not even a factor, because by then, 601 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 2: hopefully the Mariners will have a lot of other young 602 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 2: guys like Emerson maybe that aren't making chef squat and 603 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: they can make up for Y. Yeah, they'll overpay a 604 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 2: little bit, and who knows, maybe they'll have to trade 605 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 2: the guy to dump his salary like they did Cano 606 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 2: in five years from now. But hey, man, for now, 607 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: for probably at least the next three maybe four, you 608 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 2: got a legitimate dude at first base that you can 609 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 2: rally around. And if you win and get it done 610 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: between now and then, who cares what you're paying them 611 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: in five years from now.