1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: See Exit one zero, five to nine. 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 2: These Steelers feel like they're trade at quicksand joining me 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: on to talk about it. He covers the team for 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: the Athletic. Always a pleasure to talk to, Mike de Fabo. Mike, 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: the Steelers are four and three and on top of 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: the AFC North. But do they kind of feel done 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: to you anyway? Because I don't see that defense improving. 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: It's it's too flawed and too old. 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, any ceiling that the Steelers had this 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 3: season was directly tied to this defense being very good. 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: And right now, this is not a hot take, It's 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 3: just a fact they are bad, and they are one 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 3: of the worst, if not the worst defense in the league, 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 3: especially in their secondary, and like they're about to face 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: a bunch of talented offenses. 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 4: Not only do they have to face the Colts and. 17 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: Shane Szeichen who always has Mike tom and Tarrel Austin's number, 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: but later this season that four game stretched at the end, 19 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 3: you know, they played three the top offenses from last year, 20 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: and the Lions, the Ravens and the Bills, and who 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: knows what state the defense is going to be at 22 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 3: that point. So I agree with you, Mark, like, if 23 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 3: they're going to improve defensively, it's not going to because 24 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 3: not going to be because the competition is getting any easier. 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 5: Who's the biggest scapegoat on that defense? 26 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: I can't decide between the whole secondary and PJ. 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 6: Watt. 28 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, those are two good places to start. I think 29 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 3: also coaching definitely with this group because you look around 30 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: the league and there are so many other defenses that 31 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: have so much less talent and yet they're able to 32 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: play as one, and the Steelers just don't do that. 33 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 4: And you hear. 34 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: Criticism from former players like Julian Edelman saying that the 35 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 3: Steelers defense is stale, it's stagnant, it's predictable, and then 36 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: you hear those same comments from Jamar Chase saying we 37 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: knew exactly what the Steelers were going to do. And 38 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 3: I think the biggest problem is when there are pre 39 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: snap shifts and motions, the Steelers might be in the 40 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: coverage the sky, but after those shifts and motions, it's 41 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: so obvious what coverage they're in that somebody like me 42 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 3: can see it. That definitely, somebody who's an experienced quarterback 43 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 3: can see So, you know, I think that the scheme 44 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 3: is a problem. 45 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 6: I think that the. 46 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 4: Coaching is a problem first and foremost. 47 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 3: But then obviously this secondary that was so overhyped before 48 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: the season hasn't come anywhere close to living up to 49 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 3: its billing, and you know, especially after they lose to 50 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 3: Shawn Elliott, I don't have a tremendous amount of faith 51 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 3: that it's going to get any better. 52 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 5: You mentioned the coaching, and I agree. 53 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: I think the coaching has been terrible with the defense, 54 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: and really the entire team has been has been poorly guided. 55 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 7: What is Mike Toma more likely. 56 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: To do magtactical changes along with personnel changes which are limited, 57 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: not much choice there. Well, he just stick to his 58 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: guns because he likes to be right more than anything. 59 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: I think they're going to keep doing a lot of 60 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 3: what they've been doing because it's what they've been doing for. 61 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 4: The last decade. 62 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 3: And if it was even in the first round of 63 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 3: the playoffs year after year, after the way the season 64 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 3: unraveled last year didn't prompt change, then I feel like 65 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 3: nothing is going to prompt change, So I expect very 66 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: much a lot more of the same. 67 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: You talked about the secondary before. I want to get 68 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: back to them for just a moment. It was too 69 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: easy for Jordan Love and for Flacco the prior week, 70 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: and probably for Danny Dimes this coming Sunday. 71 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 5: Too many easy completions. 72 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: I look at that coverage and guys aren't even close, Mike. 73 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: I don't understand what they're even trying to do. 74 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 6: Yeah. 75 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: I think one of the problems is there's like a 76 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 3: saying in defensive football, you don't cover grass, you cover people. 77 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: And the Steelers they have what's called like country coverages, 78 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: which is basically like a spot drop zone coverage where 79 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: it's like you're playing Madden, like people who play Mad 80 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 3: and you say, oh, and cover three, this linebacker's supposed 81 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: to be here, and you draw a little circle and 82 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: that's their zone. 83 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 4: Well, that's not how the modern nfls played. 84 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 3: The good defenses in the NFL play a lot of 85 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: pattern matching zones or man matching zones, where when a 86 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: guy comes into your zone, you pick him up like 87 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: it's man and maybe if you even follow him into 88 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: a different zone. And I think that's the biggest problem 89 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: is when you when you face an experienced quarterback and 90 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 3: they look at it and they know this is cover three, 91 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 3: This is cover two. They know where the soft spots 92 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 3: are in those zones, and they're throwing to them. And 93 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: I think that's one of the biggest problems for the 94 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: defense right now. I think, and then and then when 95 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: they try to play man coverage, which was supposed to 96 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: be the whole point of remaking this defense. I don't 97 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,679 Speaker 3: think that Darius Slay and Jalen Ramsey can play man. 98 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 4: Coverage at an elite level anymore. They just cannot. 99 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: I mean, like Slay was pretty transparent throughout the season. 100 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: I think one of the most telling comments that he said, Yeah, 101 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 3: would have been great to have all these all these 102 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 3: dvs together if. 103 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 4: We were a bit younger. And that's exactly what it is. 104 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 4: Slay is not what he once was. He was six times. 105 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 3: He is a thirty four year old corner and there's 106 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: a big difference between the two. 107 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: We're talking to Mike de Febo, brought to us by 108 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: Armstrong the Internet. You count on the people you trust, Mike. 109 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: I don't mind the offense. I think it's been mostly okay. 110 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 2: But why does Steelers abandon the run in the second 111 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: half against Green Bay, not least when they had a 112 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 2: lead after three quarters. 113 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 4: I completely agree with you. 114 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 6: Mark. 115 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 3: You know, I've been pleasantly surprised by Aaron Rodgers this season. 116 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: He's two or three notches above what I expected, and 117 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 3: my expectations. 118 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 4: Were pretty low going into this year. 119 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 3: But that said, he's not going to stand toe to 120 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: toe in a shootout with Jordan Love. You need to 121 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 3: have some semblance of balance. And all the things the 122 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: Steelers did in the game Sunday, there weren't a lot 123 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: of good things, but the biggest positive was against one 124 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 3: of the NFL's best rushing defenses. They were still productive 125 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 3: running the football, and I felt like that put them 126 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 3: in a really good position because my biggest concern going 127 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: into that game was the pack are going to turn 128 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 3: them one dimensional. Micah Parsons was going to get after 129 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers and it was just going to be a 130 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 3: miserable day. Well, the Packers didn't make the Steelers one dimensional. 131 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 3: The Steelers made themselves one dimensional. And I don't know 132 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: whether it was Archer Smith calling more pass plays in 133 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 3: the second half or Often those players are kind of 134 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 3: packaged where you have two or three plays called in 135 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: the huddle and maybe a quarterback can decide the line 136 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 3: of scrimmage what to do. 137 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 4: Maybe it was Aaron Rodgers. 138 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 3: I don't have clarity on exactly who was the one 139 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 3: calling the shots and. 140 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 4: Going with the pass more, but. 141 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 3: I completely agree that that this offense has found an 142 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 3: identity when it runs the football at least to create 143 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: some type of balance, and when they aren't a balanced offense, 144 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: that's where the wheels fall off. 145 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: Well, and staying with that, if cemald can't play, how 146 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: does the O line shake down? And did the Steelers 147 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 2: have to abandon that jumbo package? Because the jumbo package 148 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: is something I hated initially, but now I think it's 149 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: the closest thing they have to building an offense identity. 150 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: Just so they've got a couple options, I think to 151 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: answer your question quickly, if Samalu cannot go, Spencer Anderson 152 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,679 Speaker 3: would be the next man up. And then the question 153 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: would be, you know, within the game on Sunday when 154 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: they lost Samalo, they were go using like traditional twelve personnel, 155 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: so they're using five linemen and then they would just 156 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: put Darnel Washington and then one of the other tight 157 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: ends next to him. It's not as effective as having 158 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 3: a three hundred pound guy, especially because John new Smith 159 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: is not a good blocker. 160 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 4: He's just not. 161 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: He can do a lot of different things. He's he's 162 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: a Swiss army knife. One of those weapons is not 163 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: as a blocker. He can't execute basic blocks, let alone 164 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: the kind of blocks that Spencer Anderson can do. So 165 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 3: if the Steelers do want to continue doing their jumblo packages, yeah, 166 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: I think one possibility would be you bring in a 167 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: guy like Andres Pete at guard and then you move 168 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: Spencer Anderson over to that extra lineman position at the 169 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: end of the line of screen image. 170 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 4: Maybe that's a. 171 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 3: Possibility, but you know, I think it is going to 172 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 3: definitely change some of their thinkings, some of their thought 173 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 3: process here because that was one of the most effective 174 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: packages running and throwing the football, and now it could 175 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 3: be shaken up, or at least they're gonna have to 176 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 3: reimagine it. 177 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: Are there crack showing with Aaron Rodgers, Not in terms 178 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: of his play Mike, because I think he's been more 179 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: than fine. He's I've done my expectations too, but he's 180 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: snapping the teammates. He got pissed after a metcalf drop 181 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: against Green Bay, and if he's frustrated, I certainly don't 182 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: blame him. 183 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of in the camp that 184 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: I think it's a good for the most part. When 185 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 3: he shows emotion and when he calls use teammates, like 186 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: especially in a practice setting, I think that he's. 187 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 4: Raised the bar there. 188 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: But right now, like when things are going well for 189 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 3: this team, you can you can view it through that prism. 190 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: But if things start to unravel, I think I wonder 191 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: if we're going to start seeing some more frustrations. 192 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 4: Like right now now, there's so much talk about how 193 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 4: the Steelers. 194 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 3: Are like drama free compared to what the Jets were 195 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 3: with Aaron Rodgers. Will that continue if the results aren't there? 196 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: And I think that that should be a concern going forward. 197 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: I wonder if everyone's going to continue to be, you know, 198 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 3: sunshine and rainbows and everything's great, and our quarterback's aus 199 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 3: and then we all love each other and we hold hands, 200 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 3: you know, if things start going sideways, what. 201 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: Rather Rogers snapping somebody then I mean you hear Cam 202 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 2: talking about the team don't have no fight in it. 203 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: I mean that's on Cam. Cam's a captain, Patrick Queen. 204 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: The same way San their timid Well do something about it. 205 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 6: Then. 206 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree with you. I mean, I was 207 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 3: raised in the era of Bill Tower football, where when 208 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: he would go up and just you would see that 209 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 3: jaw going and you would speak see the spit flying. 210 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 4: That was a good thing. 211 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 3: And maybe that was just the way that I was 212 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: raised too, where you know, if you make a mistake, 213 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: you're gonna hear about it. And so I think that 214 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 3: for the most part, Rogers demanding perfectionist mindset has been 215 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 3: a good thing for this offense. But you know, only 216 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 3: it's only if the results continue this way, and I 217 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 3: do wonder, you know, if they start. 218 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 4: To struggle, if if that that kind. 219 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 3: Of approach will be interpreted different differently by teammates. 220 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: This Indie game seems a crossroads, don't it, like the 221 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: Final Frontier? Because Indies offense is a juggernaut, the Steelers 222 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: defense is bad. And what's the aftermath going to be 223 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 2: if the coach come to Akershrom and put up forty 224 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: or forty five points, Because that could very easily happen. 225 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, this seems like a nightmare scenario for the Steelers defense. 226 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: You know, looking back over the last couple of years, 227 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: Shane Stikeen is a really good offensive mind who was 228 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 3: held back by Anthony Richardson, who doesn't belong at quarterback. 229 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: He just can't throw, he can't complete a pass. So 230 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: you know, I've seen Shane stikeing eat Mike Tommantarol since 231 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 3: lunch with Gardner Minshew and Joe Flacco at quarterback. Now 232 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 3: he has a pretty reliable quarterback that fits his system. 233 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: So that's a horrible matchup for the Steelers. She like 234 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 3: converts whoever is coordinating their defense. That's a horrible matchup 235 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 3: against Jonathan Taylor because Jonathan Taylor is one of the 236 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 3: best backs in the NFL. And not only is he 237 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 3: a big, bruising ball carrier that's going to grind out 238 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 3: those hard yards, he has elite home run hitting ability, 239 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 3: which is what makes him such a unique weapon. And 240 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: the Steelers have been inconsistent against the run over the 241 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 3: last several years, and they've been really bad at allowing 242 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 3: this explosive running plays. And then on top of it, 243 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 3: you know, you just look at the way the Steelers 244 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 3: secondary is playing, and they're about to play the best 245 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 3: passing offense in the NFL. Everything about this matchup looks 246 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: like a nightmare. And I didn't even mention the tight end. 247 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: The tight end two. The Steelers can never have never 248 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: been able to cover tight ends for the last couple 249 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: of years, and now they've got one of the best 250 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: tight ends, or one of the best young tight ends 251 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 3: at least in the league, coming. Reversatile guy, a powerful guy. 252 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: Every single piece of the Colts offense looks like a 253 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: horrible matchup for the Steelers. 254 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 8: Uh. 255 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: Now, something you said, I want to, you know, clarify, 256 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: because I don't think it could be clarified enough. Mike, 257 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin's the real defensive coordinator, right He's determining the scheme, 258 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: he's calling the plays. Tara Austin's kind of his lackey. 259 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 2: And I say that because I know for a fact 260 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: he usurped Dick Lebou when Lebau was the coordinator of 261 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: those last couple of years, and certainly Butler as well. 262 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 4: Well, you know, here's one thing I'll say about that. 263 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: So Taroll Austin at practice has a walkie talkie and 264 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 3: is communicating directly with Patrick Queen. And in the games, 265 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: I think play to play, he's calling the actual plays. 266 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 3: But I completely agree with you that it's Mike Tomlin's 267 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 3: scheme and his system, and within game planning week to week, 268 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin has a tremendous say and then within games, 269 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin, I'm sure he is trying, I mean in 270 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 3: him saying what kind of plague he wants to run. 271 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 3: And one specific example to that point, you know, Terry 272 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 3: Awsin actually philosophically is a blitz guy, but when he 273 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: came to Pittsburgh, Mike Tomlin wanted to just rush for 274 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 3: And so that's why you saw, you know, the Steelers 275 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 3: over the last two seasons when Terol Austin was technically 276 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 3: defensive coordinator, not really bring a lot of different pressures 277 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: because that's what Mike Tomlin wanted. 278 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 4: It was Mike Tomlin's decision. 279 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: And I feel like a lot of these other things 280 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 3: that we're talking about, in terms of which coverages they play, 281 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 3: the personnel usage, you know, philosophically, game plan specific kind 282 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 3: of things, a lot of those are Mike Tomlin decisions. 283 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: Well, the Steelers and Tomlin ever begin to doubt their 284 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: method and make significant change in their approach. 285 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 7: I know it's tough to do. 286 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 5: Mid season, but things ain't going so good. 287 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: I don't think that they will just because if you 288 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 3: look at it, from the time they drafted Cam Hayward 289 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 3: until the time that they acquired MIKEA. Fitzpatrick with a 290 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: first round pick, they spent first round picks on defense 291 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 3: nine to ten years, and that wasn't good enough. They 292 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 3: still weren't a good defense. So then they had to 293 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 3: go out and pay guys like Patrick Queen from the 294 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: outside of Jalen Ramsey to pay this defense even more. 295 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: And somehow Tomlin has convinced whoever is making the decisions, 296 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: Colbert and now Omar Kahn, we need more guys. That's 297 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 3: the problem. The problem isn't the scheme, the coaching, you know, 298 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 3: the tactical decisions. 299 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 4: The problem is. 300 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 3: We don't have good enough guys. Well, there's no excuse 301 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 3: for that. Now you have a lineup that's full of 302 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: Pro Bowl, All Pro, future Hall of Fame guys, and 303 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 3: they're just not getting the job done. They're one of, 304 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 3: if not the worst defenses. And I feel like tom 305 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: On realizes that if you just put a ton of 306 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: playmakers or talent on defense, you can have a high 307 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 3: floor and you can get to ten wins and you 308 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: could preserve the non losing season streaks. 309 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 4: And it seems like that's. 310 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 3: What matters to them more than actually raising their ceiling, 311 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 3: actually having a competent offense, actually surrounding Aaron Rodgers with 312 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: weapons so that you can win in the modern NFL, 313 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 3: because I think the sample size is large enough that 314 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: if you've had the NFL's high speed defense for now 315 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: four years and you're still allowing Lamar Jackson to have 316 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 3: the best playoff game of his entire life, if you're 317 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: allowing Patrick Mahomes to score so many points in the 318 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 3: playoff games that the Chiefs. 319 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 4: Literally run out of fireworks. 320 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 3: Because they're scoring so quickly and so much, and then 321 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 3: you still double and triple down on defense by going 322 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 3: out and spending even more. You know, there is no change. 323 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 3: This team is who they are. They're going to be 324 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 3: another ten and sevent team. They're going to be another 325 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 3: year where we talk about another first round exit in 326 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 3: the playoffs. 327 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: That's very well said, Mike, but I'd be shocked if 328 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: they get to ten and seven. Great stuff. Enjoy the game, 329 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: we'll talk next week. 330 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 4: All right, sounds great, Mark, Thanks for having me. 331 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: That's Mike de Faba, brought to us by Armstrong the Internet. 332 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: You count on the people you trust Armstrong on Wired 333 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: dot Com. Some Penguins those they just called up Owen 334 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: Pickering the defenceman. That makes it a lefty righty pair 335 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: thing again, they don't have to go righty righty. What 336 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: this means for Brunick tonight at Philadelphia and moving forward, 337 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: I do not know. 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He's the assistant sports editor for the 377 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 2: trib he is Jonathan BUMBOLLI, jb Uh, what do you 378 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 2: think the Penguins are gonna do with Brunick and Kindle? 379 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 2: I would have thought that keeping both was a lock, 380 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 2: but Brunick has struggled mightily lately. 381 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 5: One are the pros and cons. 382 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 8: I mean, I still think Brunick's been, on balance more 383 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 8: good than bad, but definitely more bad lately. I think that, 384 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 8: you know, I think some of Dubas's comments that we're 385 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 8: telling were that he's talked about. I've heard him talk 386 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 8: about how everyone talks about the nine game threshold, the 387 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 8: ten game threshold where you lose a year on the 388 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 8: entry level contract, but there are also other threshold There's 389 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 8: the you know, there's a forty game threshold that has 390 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 8: something to do with contractual stuff, and there's also the 391 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 8: World Juniors, so that they could keep a guy until 392 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 8: the World Juniors and then send him back to his 393 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 8: junior team after that. So I think you have to 394 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 8: take that into consideration, that it's it's not it's not 395 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 8: a binary. You know, there's not a hard deadline at 396 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 8: ten games, and Dubas is looking at it that way. 397 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 8: I think those guys are better than the replacements that 398 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 8: would replace them in the line up generally speaking, Now, 399 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 8: I don't know that that's the the and and that's 400 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 8: the that's the criteria that you know, the veterans in 401 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 8: the room are going to wait, They're gonna want Dubis 402 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 8: to use you know, they're not gonna want them to say, hey, well, 403 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 8: maybe this will be better for us, you know, six 404 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 8: years down the road when we don't have to pay 405 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 8: this guy so. And I think I think that's probably 406 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 8: what's gonna end up happening. I think that the start 407 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 8: being as good as it has been seven to and 408 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 8: one means that you are at this point there's definitely 409 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 8: an l element of we have to make these decisions 410 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 8: based on what makes our team better right now, in 411 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 8: addition to looking at the future. 412 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 6: I mean, Dimmis has always said that, he's always said. 413 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 8: That his goal was to it was too you know, 414 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 8: he had two prongs to his his mandate, and it 415 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 8: was to make this team better. 416 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 6: Now and in the future. 417 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 8: Well, right now, this team's better with Kendall and Brunick, 418 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 8: despite Brunick's you know, struggles the last couple of games. 419 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: No, I agree last game, I agree with that, and 420 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 2: I think that's the direction they're likely to head. I 421 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 2: want to add two. I don't want to subtract from 422 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: the energy in that room that these kids have brought. 423 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: And it's a group of kids, and Brunick's part of 424 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 2: that group. I don't want to diminish that even a 425 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 2: little bit. 426 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, and I come back to this. I've said this 427 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 8: number of times, probably even on your show. I found 428 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 8: something super interesting at the beginning of the year in 429 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 8: training camp. Sid said, just because you're getting younger doesn't 430 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 8: mean you're getting worse. 431 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 6: And I think that's one hundred percent true. 432 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 8: I also think it's interesting that if this team were 433 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 8: to say there were some injuries, well, a perfect example 434 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 8: is Rikel going down. Rakel goes down, who comes up. 435 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 8: It's not you know, some minor league g lifer. It's 436 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 8: coyven In, who, despite not playing particularly well last night, 437 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 8: is a you know, a good prospect. And if another 438 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 8: for you know, another forward were to go down and 439 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 8: be Tristan Brows, who's a pretty good prospect later down 440 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 8: the road when he's healthy, it might be wrecker of 441 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 8: ma Groarty. This team's going to get younger as the 442 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 8: season goes on. 443 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 6: Just by you know the natural course of things. That's exciting. 444 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 8: I mean because you know, when you're when you're there's 445 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 8: always injuries, you're always losing players, and when you replace 446 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 8: those guys with honest to goodness prospects, I mean, geez, 447 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,239 Speaker 8: when was the last time dependants were able to do that? 448 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 2: It's been years, it might be decades. What's your take 449 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 2: with Hallander on Sid's line. I thought it would be 450 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: coyn in uh, but I understand Hollander. I mean, he 451 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: had a great season in Sweden last year and he 452 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: is not the reft of offensive skills. 453 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 4: No, I'm really I. 454 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 6: Don't know what to make of Hollander. 455 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 8: He's I mean I thought I knew what to make 456 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 8: of Hollander, you know, in his first couple of tours, 457 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 8: as he was coming up through the I thought he 458 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 8: was a you know, bottom six guy who could play 459 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 8: center or wing. And and you know what you saw 460 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 8: him do playing with the Crosby line last night was 461 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 8: he did some of the dirty work, Like he did 462 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 8: some of the digging in the corners to get those 463 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 8: guys a puck and let let Crosby and Russ you know, 464 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 8: do the do the scoring. And that's a formula of 465 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 8: the work. I mean, you know Sid loves it when 466 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 8: a guy I mean the reason Sid loved do Please 467 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 8: so much. I mean there's a number of reasons, but 468 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 8: one of them was because Duple would back check like 469 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 8: a maniac and Sid didn't have to worry about that. 470 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 6: Calend will do that. 471 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 8: He'll back check like a maniac to keep his job. 472 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 8: So but the reason why he's hard to figure out is, Okay, 473 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 8: his profile is good defensive guy, good on the penalty, kill, 474 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 8: win some face offs for you, and then he goes 475 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 8: back to Sweden last year and his second in the 476 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 8: Swedish league in scoring, and You're like, where the. 477 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 6: Hell did that come from? So that that's what makes. 478 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 8: You think that maybe there's something else in there in 479 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 8: terms of unlocking some offensive potential. Sid could do that, 480 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 8: of course, I mean he's done it before. I'd like, 481 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 8: I don't know what to make of them. I think 482 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 8: he's a He's never going to be a net negative 483 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 8: for your hockey team because he's a good two way player. 484 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 8: The question is he going to be a positive? And 485 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 8: that's what I'm really not sure about yet. 486 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 2: Sid reached seventeen hundred points last night. Can he get 487 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 2: to two thousand one of the factors. I find that 488 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 2: intriguing because I think Sid playing long enough to get 489 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 2: to two thousand, JB will have nothing to. 490 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 5: Do with getting to two thousand. 491 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I'm sure it's not necessarily a goal. I mean, 492 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 8: I guess it could be if he got real close, right, 493 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 8: you know, like if you got into the upper nineteen hundreds, 494 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 8: it might be something that crossed his mind. Well, I mean, offensively, 495 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 8: there's no reason to believe that he's going to have 496 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 8: the best you know, season for a player his age, 497 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 8: probably in the history of the NHL this year. I mean, 498 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 8: you know, that's that's the way it's trending. And so 499 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 8: you know, I mean there's certainly no slowing down. So 500 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 8: you're talking about roughly around a point per game, even 501 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 8: if it dips, it's going to be fairly close to that. 502 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 6: So the question is that he have you know, two 503 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 6: hundred and some. 504 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 8: Games lest in him, or I guess it would be 505 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 8: three hundred and some games left in them. So you're 506 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 8: talking about Yeah, I don't know, I mean four years. 507 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 8: I don't know if he does, it's up to him. 508 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 8: I mean, you know, nobody's gonna kick him out the 509 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 8: way he's playing. 510 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 5: Well, JB. 511 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: I've been saying that he will want to play in 512 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: the league as long as he's a legitimate top six center. 513 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: He won't be like Trotz, who just wants to keep 514 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 2: playing as a third liner to try to keep winning. 515 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: I think said has a clear vision of the type 516 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: of player he wants to be, and when he isn't. 517 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 5: He'll hang him up. 518 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 8: I think that's absolutely true. I mean, he's definitely not 519 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 8: the type. This is a this is a completely insane analogy. 520 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 8: I'll give it to you anyway. I heard an interview 521 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 8: with AJ Styles. AJ Styles said he said, I want 522 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 8: to retire at forty and everybody's like, nobody believes that 523 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 8: because wrestlers always say that. But he said, look, I 524 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 8: don't want to be a guy that they just trot 525 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 8: out there and he can't have a good match. I 526 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 8: don't want to be like gorgeous George when he was 527 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 8: you know, you know, just dragging him out there for. 528 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 6: His name value. 529 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 8: Sid will never want to be dragged out there for 530 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 8: his name value. But I mean, we're so far away 531 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 8: from that day. It seems like it seems like it's 532 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 8: years down the road. I mean, he's still an elite, 533 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 8: elite talent. 534 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 5: What is the fall out of the coaching change JB. 535 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 2: Obviously it's fresh, sure, they're not stale, there's more adrenaline, 536 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: But what are the Penguins doing different under muse? 537 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 6: Yeah? 538 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 8: Okay, So the things I wish I was First of all, 539 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 8: I wish I was smarter and knowing what I'm watching 540 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 8: that he's doing differently. 541 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 6: So that's the caveat to start with. 542 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 8: But the things that I've noticed is the number one 543 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 8: thing I've noticed is puck support. 544 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,239 Speaker 6: So and he talks about it. 545 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 8: It's a buzzword of muses. It's connectivity, and you don't 546 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 8: see like they're not making long breakout. 547 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 6: Passes and hoping for the best. 548 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 8: It's short breakout passes and it's supporting the puck carrier 549 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 8: by skating. 550 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 6: And to me, this it's perfect for this roster because. 551 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 8: When you end up in a situation with this team, 552 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 8: which has happened over the last few years, where you're 553 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 8: making long breakout passes, you've got forwards that are offensively 554 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 8: minded and they're thinking, let's go. We're making these breakout 555 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 8: passes and then it gets broken up and boom, you're 556 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 8: coming back the other way odd man against. If you're 557 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 8: coming through the neutral zone as a pack and there's 558 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 8: a turnover, you're more equipped to defend that turnover. So 559 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 8: I think that's a to me, that's a big thing 560 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,479 Speaker 8: that I've seen. I also think, you know that in 561 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 8: the D zone, I think they defend like the house 562 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 8: that the area of the high slot between the hash marks, 563 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 8: defend that area more religiously than they ever did under Sullivan. 564 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 8: And I think that matters because. 565 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 6: They I feel like they're. 566 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 8: They're more there's more of a focus under Mews of 567 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 8: quality over quantity. So it seems like they're they're content 568 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 8: to give up low quality chances and and they're defending 569 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 8: against high quality chances, and and that's sort of the 570 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 8: that's like sort of the wave of the future. 571 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 6: There was a big stretch. 572 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 8: That started and the Penguins were winning their last two 573 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 8: Cups where it was about, you know, chances, quantity of chances, 574 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 8: get in the offensive zone, get your shots, get your 575 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 8: shot attempts. That was the you know, the real currency. 576 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 8: And it seems like that's shifting a little bit where 577 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 8: it's more about the quality. 578 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 6: Of the chances. 579 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 8: Like you look at last night's game is a perfect example. 580 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 8: I was looking at the numbers from that game shot attempts. 581 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 8: The Blues had a huge advantage sixty six to forty seven. 582 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 6: I think it was something like that high danger scoring chances. 583 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 8: The Penguins had an advantage thirteen to ten, and I 584 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 8: think that's really really telling, Like they don't in the 585 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 8: offensive zone. I don't think mus cares about the number 586 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 8: of shots, and in the defensive zone, I think he 587 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 8: cares about their quality of shots. And I think that's 588 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 8: sort of what you're seeing. Like I said, I wish 589 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 8: I was smart enough to tell you why that's happening specifically, 590 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 8: but it's definitely happened. 591 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: Well, the one thing I know, because the player told me, 592 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 2: they still want the defense to activate and pinch, but 593 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: the minute of defenseman that the high forward starts to 594 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: circle back, so they're not getting caught out as much 595 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 2: with odd man breaks up. Finally, JB cliched question, but 596 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 2: they're seven. 597 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 5: Two and one. 598 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 2: If they can kind of maintain that cushion even go 599 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 2: five hundred e between now and Thanksgiving, they're going to 600 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: be in a playoff spot. And traditionally, if you're in 601 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 2: a playoff spot at Thanksgiving, you make the playoffs. 602 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 5: Can this team do that? 603 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: Well? 604 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 8: You know, you look at the A big reason for 605 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 8: their success so far is traditional hockey puck luck kind 606 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 8: of stuff. It's shooting percentage and it's safe percentage. 607 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 6: And right now they're first. 608 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 8: In the league and shooting percentage almost fifteen percent. They're 609 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 8: third in the league in save percentage nine one five. 610 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 8: Can those things hold up over the course of the year. 611 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 8: My you know, your inclination is to say, no, it's 612 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 8: going to even out over the course of the year. 613 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 8: I mean that save percentage, it would have been first, 614 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 8: it would have been tied with Winnipeg last year over 615 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 8: a full season, and they have the best goalie in 616 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 8: the league. So you know, the safe percent is gonna 617 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 8: come down a little bit, the shooting percentage is gonna 618 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 8: come down a little bit. 619 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 6: But so you're my inclination. 620 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 8: Is to say it's gonna even out. But here's the thing. 621 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 8: Washington had an awesome year last year using that exact 622 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 8: same formula. I mean, it's not like Washington. You look 623 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 8: at their roster and last year's Washington roster isn't any 624 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 8: better than this. 625 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 6: Year's Penguins a roster. I'm not sure that it is. 626 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 8: And yet they had a great year all year long, 627 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 8: made the playoffs were in contention because they just got 628 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 8: that little tick up, a few more pucks went in, 629 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 8: a few more pucks stayed out. Could this be the 630 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 8: year the Penguins do that, No doubt about it. It's 631 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 8: not like the East is covering itself in glory in 632 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 8: the first ten games of the season. To you know, 633 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 8: wedge your way into the last couple of playoff spots 634 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 8: wouldn't surprise. 635 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 6: Me in the least. 636 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,239 Speaker 4: But you know what, Mark, we said that. 637 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,959 Speaker 6: We said that before the season started. 638 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 8: We said it wouldn't shock us if they were seventh 639 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 8: or eighth in the East. And I think that's still 640 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 8: definitely the case. 641 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 5: Oh No, it's a bad conference. 642 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I agree 643 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 2: that it could happen. 644 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 5: JB. Great stuff. Enjoy the game tonight. 645 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 2: Enjoyed the Frozen and Frenzy Penguins are the first game 646 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: kicking off. Every NHL playing team playing tonight, All thirty 647 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 2: two up next. Gonna keep talking pucks with my producer 648 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 2: Tom Offraman, talking Penguins and Flyers with Tommy Radio. 649 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 5: Just around the corner here. 650 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 7: On one oh five nine, The X The Home of the. 651 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: Penguins one O five nine, The X says, your shot 652 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: at tags, drink. 653 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 6: Cash, keep money like that act. 654 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: Blue Chow Dinner Row, I'm rich, Rich Rich, Jimmy listen 655 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: all day for your chance has some extra cash. 656 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 7: On one oh five nine, The X Smark Madden Talk It. 657 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 2: Is stand the man Gableva you doing Mark? 658 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 5: I'm doing good? The X at one o five nine, 659 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Hockey Night Show. 660 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 2: We got the Penguins at Philadelphia tonight fifty years, no 661 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 2: cups here, all the action right here. On one oh 662 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 2: five nine The X. I'm joined now by Tommy Radio. 663 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 2: Tom here's a clicheed question, and coming out of last 664 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: night's win at PPG over Saint Louis, sid got to 665 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 2: seventeen hundred points, he's thirty eight. Can he become the 666 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: second player in NHL history to get to two thousand points? 667 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 6: Yeah? 668 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 10: I think he absolutely can become that. I'm not so 669 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,239 Speaker 10: sure that we can, you know, start to look at 670 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 10: it as it's gonna be something we can expect just yet. 671 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 10: But it's getting there too, like it can become an 672 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 10: expected thing. 673 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 7: Mark. 674 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 10: He keeps playing like this, why wouldn't he keep playing 675 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 10: until he's forty two, forty three years old? 676 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 5: Right? 677 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 2: But at thirty eight, it's expecting a locker room to 678 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: keep playing like this. 679 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 7: Is it that he keeps proving us wrong until he 680 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 7: does it? 681 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 5: Though? I mean Age wins in the end every time. 682 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 2: So I'm honestly not sure if he gets to two thousand, 683 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: because he won't hang on to get it. He won't 684 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 2: stick around as a third liner. He won't keep playing 685 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 2: based on numbers. He'll keep playing as long as he's 686 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 2: a top six center. 687 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 10: You've often said that, and always said that, really is 688 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 10: the second he would down to being like a third 689 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 10: line center and try to be a role player. That's 690 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 10: just not for him. He just rather pack his bags 691 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 10: and go home and call it a career and start 692 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 10: the clock ticking for him to the Hall of Fame. 693 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 10: That's the read that you get on it, and I 694 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 10: agree with question. I agree with that read. It's just 695 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 10: every time a milestone is brought up to him, you 696 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 10: can feel him get uncomfortable, even when you bring it 697 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,959 Speaker 10: up on the show, when he's interviewed, he's you can 698 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 10: feel him just be like, I don't care. 699 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 7: Can we move on? 700 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 2: We celebrate too many of his milestones they're piling up. Now, 701 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 2: let's just get excited for the really big ones. Although 702 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: seventeen hundred points is a pretty big one. And the 703 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: old guys are the theme right now for the Penguins, well, 704 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 2: the young guys too, But statistically, you got Geno tied 705 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: for the NHL points lead and his number one in assists, 706 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 2: and nobody's carrying him. It's not like he's out there 707 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: feeding snipers. He's out there with Mantha and Brazil. 708 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 10: No, he's the one carrying those guys. And I still 709 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 10: just don't know how long this can last for Gino. 710 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 10: With Sid, I'm sure he's gonna have a great season. 711 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 10: As long as he stays healthy. He'll be a point 712 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 10: per game player, He'll score a lot of goals. He'll 713 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 10: be Sid. But with Gino, you know, you still just 714 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 10: kind of want is that other shoe gonna drop? As 715 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 10: we start getting into the dog days of the season. 716 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 10: This is the first back to back game of the 717 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 10: season for the Penguins tonight, Mark, so you kind of 718 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 10: keep an eye on that. 719 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 7: How's the recovery there? That's a serious question. I think for. 720 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 2: Gina, Oh no, no question, and no, I think eventually 721 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 2: he will fall off production wise for sure. Then again, 722 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 2: he's been real good on the power play, which the 723 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 2: myth is that he's real. 724 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 5: Good with the man advantage. The reality is he's off 725 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 5: and not. 726 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 2: But if he can keep that up on the power 727 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 2: play unit, maybe he can keep the point total up. 728 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 5: And I want to talk about Anthony Mantha. 729 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 2: Who's got five goals in ten games, scored again last night. 730 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 2: He's a big body, he goes to the net. Braso 731 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: does it as well. When them guys do that, especially 732 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 2: when they score right in the blue paint, it looks 733 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 2: so foreign Tom in these jerseys. 734 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 11: It's been a long time, a lost concept with this franchise, 735 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 11: I know, but you love to see it. And with Mantha, 736 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 11: you kind of buy him a little bit more than Brawsers, right, 737 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 11: Like he has a bit more of a pedigree. 738 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 5: He's the former first round draft pick. 739 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 7: Yeah he said some twenty plus goal seasons. 740 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 10: Right, So like Mantha and Malcoln, I think could really 741 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 10: be a thing as far as the season's longevity is concerned. 742 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 10: Then maybe he just slide McGroarty in there for brawsers 743 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 10: and then that line can really start to cook and 744 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 10: then Genos. 745 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 2: I still put McGroarty with Kindle, the kid line and 746 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 2: Covid and when the time comes, but there it's gonna 747 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 2: be what another month at least, I think until mcgroarty's 748 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 2: available and Ye kind of gets his game back together 749 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 2: with a stretch in Wilkes. 750 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 5: And speaking of the kids, I think Kindle. 751 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 2: Is safer to stay and not get return to Junior's 752 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 2: right now than Brunick. Brunick struggled mightily last night. I'm 753 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 2: not saying I wouldn't keep him. I probably would, but 754 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 2: they do have, you know, good numbers on the right 755 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 2: side of defense. Dumbus played well on the wrong side 756 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 2: since he got forced into the lineup by Caleb Jones' injury. 757 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 2: I would keep Runic, but I think for the first 758 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,959 Speaker 2: time there's doubt in their minds as to whether they will. 759 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 10: Is the back to back scratch game kind of what 760 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 10: started to plant the seed of them having understand that. 761 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 2: I think it buys time because you know, you've got 762 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 2: nine games with him in the lineup before you have 763 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 2: to decide whether to keep them or send them back 764 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 2: to juniors. 765 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 5: But I know they're wondering right. 766 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 10: Now as far as his development goes, and that's most important. 767 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 10: It's just probably not gonna do anything for him to 768 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 10: play in juniors. Like I would rather just keep him here. 769 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 10: If you scratch him more often than even you anticipated 770 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 10: with load management, than you scratch them more off. 771 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 2: But when you start seven to two and one, it 772 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 2: kind of changes what you're basing that decision on, at 773 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 2: least to some small degree. 774 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 10: Yeah, you're right about that. I hope they both stay. 775 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 10: So do you think Kendall's almost getting towards Locke territory 776 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 10: to be a penguin for the year. 777 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 2: I wish he was more productive. I think the fact 778 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 2: that he has two goals and no helpers ain't good. 779 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 2: But I see him creating chances. I see him maybe 780 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 2: most important, with such great defensive acumen for an eighteen 781 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 2: year old, I would for sure keep him. 782 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 10: Yeah, like to see him on the path when he 783 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 10: gets a chance to be on the power play. I 784 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 10: didn't have a chance last night, But when he gets 785 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 10: out there, don't figure when he gets out there for 786 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 10: the first time, maybe that'll start to, you know, spark 787 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 10: his point production a little bit. 788 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,720 Speaker 7: Well, here's the other thing you can't ignore. 789 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 2: I know you want to look at you know, how 790 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 2: they play and production and everything on the ice. But 791 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 2: one other important thing with the kids, Tom, it's changed 792 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 2: the dynamic of the room, the energy and since they 793 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 2: did start seven too and one, I'm not sure you 794 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,439 Speaker 2: want to change that now. Is that a good enough 795 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 2: reason to keep Brunic here if he's struggling. No, But 796 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 2: but to me, I would add it to the equation. 797 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 798 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,760 Speaker 10: But also, if you went the route of sending Brunick 799 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 10: back to juniors, it's not like you'd be cutting off 800 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 10: all of that youth. You'd still have Kendle, you still 801 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 10: have koaven In a bros is gonna come up and 802 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 10: mcgroarty's gonna come back. 803 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 7: There's still gonna be energy guys there. 804 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. 805 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 7: But it's a group of kids and he's one of 806 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 7: the group, the original part of the group too. 807 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 6: Yeah. Start. 808 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 2: So if it's up to me, I keep both Kindle 809 00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 2: and Brunic that's my call. 810 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 10: I mean, I know Sid is Sid, but like, I 811 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 10: don't think there's a coincidence with him and Gino start 812 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 10: with this kind of youth movement and also the freshness 813 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 10: of the coach. I think it's good for them as resistance, 814 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 10: as resistant as they may have been when you would 815 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 10: have broached the subject of moving on to Soli in 816 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 10: the past. 817 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 7: I bet you right now they're like, this is kind 818 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 7: of nice. I like this, refreshing this. 819 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 2: Finally, Tom Philip Hollander was okay on Sid's wing last night, 820 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 2: first game, but you got to produce. And again, I 821 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 2: think he's played fine, but he has one goal in 822 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 2: nine games so far. 823 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I just want to splash a coiven 824 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 10: and up there. I want to see not fall in 825 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 10: love with Allan there. But I guess Sid is just 826 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 10: gonna want to play with him until Roquel gets back. 827 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 5: And I don't know. 828 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 2: I mean, like you know, I I wish Sid was 829 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 2: more open to, like, you know, guys coming in and 830 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 2: out of that wing from night to night until somebody 831 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 2: catches fire and stays there for a. 832 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 10: Bit, kind of like how Soli used to do right 833 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 10: where he would pair him up right like the one. 834 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,919 Speaker 2: No, that's that's actually a rather prevalent coaching technique where 835 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 2: you don't have lines. You have forwards and pairs of 836 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,399 Speaker 2: two when you mix and match with the third guy. 837 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 10: Yeah, so you just sit and rust together always and 838 00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 10: then you kind of just slide him in and out 839 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 10: be a Hollander. It can be a coivnin And it's 840 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 10: not just you know, game to game, it's shift to shift. 841 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,919 Speaker 2: Sometimes Rush's coming on and that's good for him because 842 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 2: I think he was reading the room. 843 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 6: Uh. 844 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 5: That's it for the Hockey Night Show. 845 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 2: Up next, it's the Penguins Network pre game. After that, 846 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 2: the Penguins and the old enemy, the Philadelphia Flyers. 847 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 5: Here all the action right here on one oh five 848 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 5: ninety X. 849 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 7: With other language learning apps. 850 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 10: I was just playing games. 851 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 7: I wasn't really learning. That was different