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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 7: I'm fine, Moe and yourself.

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Speaker 1: Because of where Kyle Schwarber maintains a residence. That would

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Speaker 7: here telling you that I don't. I don't think I

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Speaker 7: would have been as driven to get season tickets.

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Speaker 1: Okay, for just a guy. I believe you. I believe

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Speaker 1: you're telling me the truth. And by the way, I

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Speaker 1: do believe there would have been certainly more interest in

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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwerber the story because he's from me here than

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Speaker 1: for the sake of having an example Pete Alonso, who's

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Speaker 1: from Florida. I understand that I do not believe there

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Speaker 1: are that many more people who would have said, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I'll go buy a twenty game package if

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Speaker 1: it's Kyle Schwarber, who would have said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: if it's Pete Alonzo. I'm not I just I do

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Speaker 1: not subscribe to the belief that there is an insane

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Speaker 1: number of people greater who would have bought in if

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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber is the guy and would have said, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I'm not spending another time if it's if

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Speaker 1: it's Pete Alonzo. I just don't think there are that

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Speaker 1: many folks like yourself.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I can appreciate that. I mean, that's probably accurate.

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Speaker 1: And and I guess for me also, if they were

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Speaker 1: so hell bent on Schwarber's going to be the guy,

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Speaker 1: Schwarber's the guy.

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Speaker 2: Shoreber's the guy.

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Speaker 1: Not only does he make our team better and make

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Speaker 1: our offense better, we can sell more tickets with him,

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Speaker 1: then even more so, you go to a greater length

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Speaker 1: to sign the guy, because to me, the hometown discount

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Speaker 1: thing just gives Kyle Schwarber a reason to say no,

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Speaker 1: which he obviously did. So don't give him a reason

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Speaker 1: to say no.

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Speaker 7: Right well, let me ask you, because my son and

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Speaker 7: I were talking about that. Do they get one shot

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Speaker 7: at it?

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Speaker 9: Do you know how that works?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Do they get to submit their contract? Is it a

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Speaker 7: one bid thing?

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Speaker 1: Or every every free agency teams off of each other.

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Speaker 2: Every free agent is different.

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Speaker 1: You know, Kyle may have made it known I want

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Speaker 1: to have a deal in place, you know, by a

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Speaker 1: certain date, and so hey, it's it's one offer, I'll

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Speaker 1: listen to you once it may There are free agents

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Speaker 1: who I'm sure love to place teams against each other.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it varies.

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Speaker 1: I just my understanding of this is if you offer

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Speaker 1: the dude what the Reds offered Kyle Schwarber, that's that's

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Speaker 1: that's going to be a deal that another team is

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Speaker 1: going to go above and beyond.

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Speaker 2: And look, there's a difference.

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Speaker 1: Between another team went above and beyond it by ten

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Speaker 1: million dollars a year and another team went above and

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Speaker 1: beyond it by five million dollars a year. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a massive difference. And so like if you're if

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Speaker 1: you're a hell bet on it would be one thing.

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Speaker 1: If it's like, all right, if it's not Kyle Schwarber,

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Speaker 1: we'll take a shot at a Cody Bellinger. We'll take

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Speaker 1: a shot at Pete Alonzo. But this myopic, narrow minded.

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Speaker 1: It's just going to be Kyle Schwerber. If it's just

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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber, then go get the guy. If it's beyond

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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber, like they're trying to do it both ways.

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Speaker 1: We're only going to offer this limited deal to him,

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Speaker 1: asking to take a hometown discount, and if he says no,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to go after anybody else who's comparable

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Speaker 1: in free agency. At least, that doesn't make a lot

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Speaker 1: of sense. Scott, I haven't heard from me in a while.

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Speaker 1: It's always going to hear your voice. Thank you as always,

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Speaker 1: Thanks so thank you. Rick Brooring on the Musketeers and Norse.

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Speaker 1: On Wednesdays, we chat with our friend Rick Boring from

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Speaker 1: Musketeer Report dot Com and the NKU radio broadcast. The

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Speaker 1: Nurse beat the Bearcats last night, the Brescia Bearcats ninety

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Speaker 1: two to fifty three. NKU was on the road on

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Speaker 1: Saturday for a tilt against Bellermin. Meanwhile, Xavier as the

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Speaker 1: school erects the Trey Carroll Statue outside the Cintas Center.

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Speaker 2: The Musketeers have.

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Speaker 1: One more non conference game against Missouri State before beginning

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Speaker 1: league play against Creighton a week from tonight, Rick is

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 2: How's it going.

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Speaker 11: Well.

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Speaker 8: I just want to tell you, I can't say how

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Speaker 8: fun it was to hang out with you at the

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Speaker 8: Crosstown shootout.

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Speaker 2: We had a really good time together. It was fun.

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Speaker 2: It was fun.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we got the chance for fellowship, a chance

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Speaker 1: to get caught up, chance to get to know each

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Speaker 1: other on a more personal level.

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Speaker 2: It was great.

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Speaker 11: Yes, so thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: That was the only part of the Crosstown shootout that

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed.

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Speaker 8: Understandably. So I think about the only way it could

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Speaker 8: have been more embarrassing for Wes Miller. And we talked

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Speaker 8: about last week. You said that you felt like Wes

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Speaker 8: Miller was kind of a central figure going into the shootout, which.

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Speaker 11: I agreed with.

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Speaker 8: I think the only way it could have been more

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Speaker 8: embarrassing for him was if Richard Patino had gone up

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Speaker 8: in Panston before the pregame panshitt.

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Speaker 1: Uh, what is the is the worst take you've ever

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Speaker 1: had in your podcast mine where I said Bobba Miller

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Speaker 1: was going to be the best player.

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Speaker 2: On the floor.

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Speaker 9: You know, here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't that bad.

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Speaker 8: He put up pretty good numbers I mean he had

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Speaker 8: a double double, right, But like the thing is, the

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Speaker 8: shootout is about who makes the plays when the games

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Speaker 8: on the lot. Why as they're going head up, Trey

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Speaker 8: Carroll from Florida Atlantic, Like, Trey Carroll just got the

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Speaker 8: best of them. He didn't score in the final seven minutes,

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Speaker 8: and Trey Carroll made big shot after big shot with

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Speaker 8: the game on the line. And yet you know that's

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Speaker 8: really what the shootout is about.

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Speaker 1: It is I thought the stories of the game from

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Speaker 1: a Xavior perspective, number one Tray Carroll without saying right,

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Speaker 1: thirty points, he was awesome. If he makes his free throws,

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Speaker 1: it's an even bigger game. But to me, it was

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Speaker 1: just sort of the juxtaposition that Xavior team and the

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Speaker 1: Xavior team of the last couple of weeks versus the

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Speaker 1: Xavior team we watched play the first three games, I

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Speaker 1: think culminating with how badly they got beaten against Santa Clara.

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Speaker 1: The improvement over the last number of weeks has been striking.

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Speaker 1: Has has that rapid has that rapid accelerated growth and

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Speaker 1: improvement caused you to recalibrate your expectation for this year's.

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Speaker 8: Team without question, I just got done talking about that

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Speaker 8: on the Most Catear Report podcast, where you know, if

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Speaker 8: you're trying to do like the Vegas win total of

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Speaker 8: they always have that changing throughout the years as the

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Speaker 8: team goes on. It's like I had them at eleven

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Speaker 8: to start the season. I think you'd have to give

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Speaker 8: them a pretty significant bump all the way up into

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Speaker 8: like that fourteen or fifteen total wins range at this

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Speaker 8: point at least. The one thing that stands out to

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Speaker 8: me about the West Virginia and Cincinnati wins are both

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Speaker 8: of those teams are ranked right around seventy five in

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Speaker 8: ken Pom. Right now. There are five teams if you

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Speaker 8: include Creighton. Creighton sixty eighth currently in ken Pom. So

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Speaker 8: if you say they're pretty similar to that level of team,

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Speaker 8: there are five teams at that level or below right

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Speaker 8: now in the Big East.

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Speaker 1: I mean ten games bigger.

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Speaker 8: Where they can finally go five and five or even

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Speaker 8: have a winning record six and four against those teams

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Speaker 8: that are similar to West Virginia and Cincinnati, two teams

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Speaker 8: they all beat.

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Speaker 2: Then Yeah, I mean the.

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Speaker 8: Conference late looks way different than we originally expected for

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Speaker 8: the Musketuers when we were thinking they're going to struggle

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Speaker 8: to win a couple of biggest games this season.

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Speaker 1: What has been the most striking or surprising thing about

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Speaker 1: the way they've played since that Santa Clara game.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think the most striking part is how Richard

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Speaker 8: Patina was so willing to flip his starting lineup, which

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Speaker 8: meant completely changing the way his team looked and operated.

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Speaker 8: Going from a lineup with big, athletic front court and

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Speaker 8: shop Locker and Anthony Robinson at the center spot to

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Speaker 8: a team that's like a small ball approach and really

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Speaker 8: spacing the floor and utilizing its skill on the perimeter.

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Speaker 8: That has changed everything for this team. They are causing

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Speaker 8: real matchup problems, and not just for the old dominions

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Speaker 8: of the world. But we saw it against West Virginia.

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Speaker 8: I think we saw it even more for real against Cincinnati.

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Speaker 8: It's hard to guard two front court players who play

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Speaker 8: on the perimeter and have legitimate skill and passing and

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Speaker 8: shooting abilities. I think that's the the biggest thing to me,

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Speaker 8: without question, is is that switchover and style of play

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Speaker 8: and leaning more on their skill and their passing ability

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Speaker 8: and their ability to not turn the ball over while

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Speaker 8: doing so.

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Speaker 9: That's really been so impressive to me.

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Speaker 1: Last Saturday, I was driving with my daughter and we're

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Speaker 1: in the car and we're going to Newport to go

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Speaker 1: visit Santa Claus. Santa Claus was in town and I

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Speaker 1: was taken my daughter to go see him, go and

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Speaker 1: find out, you know, for him what she wants for Christmas.

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Speaker 1: And we're listening to your call of NKU versus Purdue

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Speaker 1: Fort Wayne, and you sounded like you were having a blast.

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Speaker 1: And I think when we got to the to Newport

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Speaker 1: on the levee, I believe it was forty to twenty

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Speaker 1: five or forty to twenty seven. It was right before halftime.

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Speaker 1: And we go and see Santa Claus and we have

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Speaker 1: a hot chocolate and I had a libation, and then

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Speaker 1: we get back in the car and you sounded like

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Speaker 1: you wanted to kill yourself.

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Speaker 2: They lose the game by two points. What happened?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you want to see a mood flip quickly. That's

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Speaker 8: that's about as quick as.

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Speaker 1: It can happen there.

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Speaker 8: NKU had a fantastic performance through twenty minutes of that game,

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Speaker 8: and then they let up a twenty zero run in

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Speaker 8: the second half there against Prdue Fort Wayne, where you know,

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Speaker 8: Darren Horne has been telling us throughout this they were

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Speaker 8: on a six game winning streak. He'd been telling us

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Speaker 8: after each game that, like, you know, you know, happy

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Speaker 8: to get the win, happy to play well in certain areas,

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Speaker 8: but we have to get better defensively. And we finally

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Speaker 8: saw what he was talking about in this road game

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Speaker 8: at Purdue Fort Wayne, where all of a sudden, the

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Speaker 8: shots didn't go in for them on the offensive end.

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Speaker 8: It got a little bit hard on that end. They

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Speaker 8: lost a little bit of confidence, and then they didn't

655
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Speaker 8: play the same way defensively. The energy was gone. They

656
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 8: weren't pressure on for due Fort Wayne's perimeter players like

657
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 8: they have been, and prdue Fort Wayne has three guys

658
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 8: that can really score, and all of a sudden it

659
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 8: just became an avalanche effect on them in the second half. Now,

660
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 8: they still could have come up with a road win

661
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 8: there had they been able to not fumble the ball

662
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 8: away multiple times and have some silly turnovers. It was

663
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 8: just kind of an all system failure there in the

664
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Speaker 8: second half as they collapse. But either way, there's no

665
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 8: doubt that the focus. Ever since that loss on Saturday,

666
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 8: I produe Fort Wayne has been fixing the defense, and

667
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 8: that's something that Darren Horn's been trying to get across

668
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 8: to this group for weeks now.

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Speaker 1: All Right, but you're okay. You sounded like I felt

670
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Speaker 1: on Friday night.

671
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Speaker 8: Well, you know, it's just like you drive out there

672
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 8: at that three in the morning. I think I got

673
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 8: to the hotel around four am. You play that well

674
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 8: in the first half and it's like, Wow, this was

675
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 8: really worth it, and all of a sudden it slips,

676
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 8: and as it's flipping and they're losing, all that was

677
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 8: going on in my mind is and then I'm gonna

678
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 8: watch the Bengals do the same thing tomorrow and the

679
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 8: build you get that feeling as a Cincinnati sportsman where

680
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 8: you're like, you know what's coming next mo, and it

681
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 8: just it's so defeating.

682
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Speaker 1: Sometimes. I at least had Saturday between the shootout and

683
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: the Bengals game, and Santa Claus brightened my mood until

684
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: Josh Allen picked up a first down on third and fifteen.

685
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Speaker 2: Rick, thank you as always.

686
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Speaker 1: All right, Thanks bo Rick Brooring. Follow him at Rick

687
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: Brooring NKU and Bellerman on US Saturday. Get his coverage

688
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: to the Musketeers at Musketeer Report Dot com It's four

689
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Speaker 1: o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty.

690
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 10: Let's fly into Cincinnati for a battle with our Bengals.

691
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 10: Will sack Taylor's Orange and Black, bust Baltimore in the

692
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Speaker 10: beak and whip up a win. Find dot when you

693
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Speaker 10: get the call live from Dan Hoyd and Dave Lapp.

694
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 10: The game kicks off at one pm, with coverage starting

695
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Speaker 10: at nine am Sunday. Stream for free on the new

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Speaker 10: and improved iHeartRadio app or ESPN fifteen thirty, the official

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Speaker 10: home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 1: What's sorry, what I'm laughing at is complete and totally nonsensical.

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Speaker 1: We're late for the start of the hour because I've

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Speaker 1: just decided to totally bastardize the clock.

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Speaker 2: Mog or ESPN fifteen thirty.

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00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: What's that? Two days in a row? Two days in

703
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Speaker 1: a row? Sorry, Tarin doing yeoman's work keeping us on time.

704
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Speaker 1: We have a Western Joe Burrow audio.

705
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Speaker 2: Later on he was fining to good move today.

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Speaker 1: I guess he was grumpy. Yeah, today's Joe Burrow's birthday.

707
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah he was grumpy. Yep, all right, so can we

708
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Speaker 1: play some Joe Burrow being grumpy audio?

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Speaker 2: At four thirty five. Sure, get it ready.

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Speaker 1: We'll listen to Joe b by the way, is on

711
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: a four and nine team that demands him do everything.

712
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: I would be grumpy too, despite my salary, despite my birthday.

713
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: If I was Joe Burrow and I was having to

714
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Speaker 1: carry the weight of an entire franchise on my back

715
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Speaker 1: and I was not allowed to throw an occasional bad pass,

716
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Speaker 1: I would be grumpy as well. So I don't blame Joe.

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Speaker 1: That might be the poll question. Joe Burrow is grumpy today?

718
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: Do you blame him? We'll find out more phone calls

719
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: coming up here in in just a second. I am

720
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking at social media. Kyle Schwerber might

721
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: not have been the end all and be all as

722
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: it relates to the Reds. There's a lot of offseasons

723
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: still in front of him. We'll see how creative Nick

724
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: Kral can be. We'll see if there's a trade that

725
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: make sense. Though it is interesting, like you're not willing

726
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: to dip your toe in some of the deeper free

727
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: agency waters, but you understandably so don't want to part

728
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: with starting pitching, and I don't want them to like

729
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: to me, that's that's why free agency is fun.

730
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Speaker 2: All you gotta do is pay money. You don't have

731
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Speaker 2: to give up players.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to trade Nicolodolo or Chase Burns or

733
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: Chase Petty or Graham Ashcraft or Andrew Abbott or Hunter Green.

734
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Speaker 1: You don't have to tradeat free agencies better than trades,

735
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: because trades I got to give up, like, you know, players,

736
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Speaker 1: good players. So they're unwilling to give up good starting pitching,

737
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: and understandably so, unwilling to dip their toes in free

738
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Speaker 1: agent waters that don't include players from Middletown.

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Speaker 8: Kay.

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Speaker 2: That sort of limits the pools. So to speak of.

741
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: The guys they might be able to get to make

742
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: this team even better. Think though, of what they've chosen

743
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: to do here, Kyle Schwerber signs with the Phillies five

744
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: for one point fifty. Reds offered five for one to

745
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Speaker 1: twenty five. Now maybe the Reds could have matched that

746
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: offer and it would not have mattered. Ultimately, this was

747
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: Kyle's decision. Kyle and I are on first name basis,

748
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: so that's why I'm calling him by his first name.

749
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Speaker 1: But basically, the difference was five million dollars per year.

750
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Speaker 1: Now that is a lot of money, more money than

751
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: I can wrap my brain around. But it's still it's

752
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: five million dollars a year. It's five million dollars a

753
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: year for five years. Say you kind of think about

754
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: like inflation and economics, it's kind of probably more like

755
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: closer to twenty million dollars over those five years. Here's

756
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: what they chose to do. Here's what they chose to do.

757
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: And you may excuse them for it, but here's what

758
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: they chose to do. They chose to lose out on

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Speaker 1: a guy that they wanted. They would not have tried

760
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: to pursue him. And I say, try to pursue They

761
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: wouldn't have tried to pursue him had they not wanted him.

762
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,959
Speaker 1: Let him get away. Over five million dollars per year.

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Speaker 1: Number One, it's a one point two billion dollar entity.

764
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: Now I know what I'm gonna hear and return MO.

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Speaker 1: Because they're worth one point two billion dollars doesn't mean

766
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Speaker 1: they have that in a drawer in Phil Castellini's desk.

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00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: I get it. It's still a one point two billion

768
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Speaker 1: dollar entity. That's the valuation of the franchise. A one

769
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: point two billion dollar entity chose to not increase its

770
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: offer to Kyle Schwarber by five million dollars a year.

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00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: Say that out loud, an entity worth one point two

772
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Speaker 1: billion dollars that has, by the way, tons of other

773
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Speaker 1: owners and investors.

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Speaker 2: The Castellini's.

775
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Speaker 1: Chose to not increase its offer by five million dollars

776
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: a year. I could be dead wrong about this. I've

777
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: never owned a major League baseball team, I've never run

778
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: a major League baseball team. But I'm led to believe

779
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: that that money five million dollars a year could have

780
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: been made up, especially if you genuinely believe this guy

781
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: is gonna sell tickets. And again an entirely jibe with

782
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: the idea that he would have sold more tickets with

783
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber that they wouldn't have sold with a guy

784
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: like pet Alonzo or Cody Bellinger. But fine, they saw

785
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: the monetary value, the ticket sale value in Kyle Schwerber

786
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: that combined with surge of goodwill, maybe more sponsorship, perhaps

787
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: more merchandise sales, whatever it is. I just I feel

788
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: like a creative organization from a business perspective could have gone, yeah,

789
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: you know what, we get that extra, that five million

790
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: dollar difference, We'll figure it out. Like well, I don't

791
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: know redo our Jersey Patch deal come up with something

792
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: if the pursuit was serious. If the pursuit was serious,

793
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Speaker 1: an entity worth one point two billion dollars would have said, Okay,

794
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to go outside our budget here, this

795
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: is worth it. Can we make up the extra five

796
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Speaker 1: mil per year, which by the end of the deal

797
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: is probably given inflation like three mil per year? Can

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00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: we make that up? I do understand again, One, because

799
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: a franchise is worth a certain amount out of money,

800
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: that doesn't exactly mean that that's what they have to spend.

801
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: Nobody's asking the Reds to spend one point two billion

802
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: dollars on players, though it would be cool. I get that.

803
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: I also understand we're talking about like running a business

804
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: and running a billion dollar business and dealing with the

805
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: financial inequities that are kind of baked into the sport.

806
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: And also there's going to be a lockout.

807
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: There's going to be some sort of work stoppage in

808
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: all likelihood, and maybe that sort of comes up the works.

809
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: But to me, that would have amplified the importance on

810
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: winning this year before the lockout. I just that's that's

811
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: hard for me at face value to accept. Kyle Schwarber

812
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: still may have ended up a Philadelphia Philly. Kyle Schwarber

813
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: may have gotten the Red's latest offer, gone to the Phillies,

814
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: and they would have said, well, we'll go we'll go up,

815
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: we'll go higher, we'll go higher. And then there's a

816
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: point that the Reds are just simply not going to

817
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: go to. But if it's five million dollars a year,

818
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: like a one point two billion dollar entity, should be

819
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: able to with other owners, should be able to absorb

820
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: that financial blow. It is rare that I take anybody

821
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 1: to task for how they handle their finances. Not really

822
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: comfortable doing it, but just on a baseline level, that's

823
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 1: what happened here. So, and this is not the first

824
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: time we've said this, the distinction has to be outlined,

825
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: right like you hear it all the time of the

826
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: you know, they just couldn't afford the one hundred and

827
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Speaker 1: fifty MILI. There's a difference, I believe, Like I've talked

828
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Speaker 1: with enough people who kind of go along with this,

829
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: who are much smarter about these things than me. There's

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00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: a difference between you can afford something and you're not

831
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: willing to pay for something there are lots of things

832
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: I cannot afford. There's also lots of things I could afford,

833
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: But I'm just I'm not gonna pay that much for

834
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pay for a luxury automobile, as cool

835
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: as I think some of them are, just that's not

836
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: that worth it to me. But I can look at

837
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: some of those cars that go man to be cool,

838
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: to drive one of those one day, I'm just not

839
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: willing to do it. There's also cars I simply cannot afford.

840
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: There's a difference. Maybe not the best example you had

841
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: to ask was this worth expanding your budget for, and

842
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: to the tune of five million dollars a year, I

843
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: think the answer is yes.

844
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: Didn't happen seventeen after four o'clock.

845
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: I am. I can't speak for anybody else, so I

846
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: never tried to. But I absolutely believe there's a world

847
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 1: where the Reds put a better team on the field

848
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six than the one they had in

849
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, which means if they do that, they

850
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: should win more games and be even more likely to

851
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: qualify for the postseason. And Kyle Schwarber in and of

852
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: himself doesn't solve all their issues, like, got some dudes

853
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: who have to be better this coming season, right, got

854
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: some guys who're got to answer the bell in ways

855
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: they didn't last year. And roster depth has been an

856
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: issue for a while. And Nick Krawl, regardless of whether

857
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: he brings Kyle Schwarber to town or not, which obviously

858
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: he clearly isn't, they've got to fix the team in

859
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: the margins.

860
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: There's a lot that has to happen.

861
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: But I think this was their shot to really get

862
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: people to feel dramatically better about their willingness to go

863
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: all in their seriousness about winning. And I know people

864
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: at GABP who get mad when this is brought up,

865
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's there are some unfair things said about

866
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: the Reds, but the consensus is they would like to win.

867
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: They're not going to go to the end of the

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Speaker 1: They're not going to do everything they can to win,

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Speaker 1: and what's happened with Kyle Schwarber has only cemented that perception.

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Speaker 1: That is I think a pretty commonly held one nineteen

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Speaker 1: a league average defense thing.

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Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna hear some audio of a grumpy

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Speaker 1: I have not heard any of this of a grumpy

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. I just I stepped down into the hallway

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Speaker 1: and I was told Joe was grumpy. We'll have some

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Speaker 1: grumpy Joe for you. Grumpy Joe, I was told yesterday

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Speaker 1: I gave Joe Burrow too much of a pass for

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Speaker 1: Sunday is Is there anybody who thought, oh, no, big deal.

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Speaker 1: He threw a fourth quarter pick six and then another

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Speaker 1: pick and I don't know that the second one was

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Speaker 1: that much on him, But okay, he threw a couple

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Speaker 1: of picks. They happened, and they happened at the worst

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Speaker 1: possible moment. It is not good if your quarterback throws

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Speaker 1: pick sixes. But they're going to happen. They don't happen

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Speaker 1: with any frequency with Joe Burrow to the degree that

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Speaker 1: you're like, man, the Bengals have a quarterback problem. The

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Speaker 1: defense fails to get off the field in big situations

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Speaker 1: with enough frequency that we've identified as have everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Duke Tobin has it. We'll find out they have

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Speaker 1: a defense problem. I I've made a show of kind

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Speaker 1: of rolling my eyes, if you will, at the suggestion

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Speaker 1: that the Bengals simply need a league average defense. And

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Speaker 1: it's not that I don't understand that. In twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals had, by basic math, the sixteenth rad toed

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Speaker 1: defense in the NFL. That is league average in a

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Speaker 1: thirty two team league. Now, for what it's worth in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two they have the number six defense in

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Speaker 1: the NFL and DVA. But sure, yes, I get the

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Speaker 1: basic premise most of us do. You've got an elite

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Speaker 1: offense with one of the very best quarterbacks in the sport.

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Speaker 1: On a general level, the offense is going to be fine.

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Speaker 1: If the defense is merely okay, they'll win a lot

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Speaker 1: of games. I'm not interested in league average defense. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you should be either. If you're a Bengals fan,

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Speaker 1: I think what you're looking for is a defense that

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Speaker 1: can win you games. Now, a defense that can win

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Speaker 1: you games, you're more likely to have that. I guess

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Speaker 1: if you're a defense statistically is the pack as opposed

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Speaker 1: to bottom of their barrel. But what I'm interested in

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Speaker 1: might question this offseason once most of it played out

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Speaker 1: and we're clinging to the idea that just got to

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Speaker 1: have a league average defense. My question was, and I

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Speaker 1: asked it on this show on a number of occasions,

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Speaker 1: can this defense win games for you consistently? There's lots

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Speaker 1: of different answers to that. If the answer is yes,

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Speaker 1: it could mean you know what, this particular week, the

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Speaker 1: offense doesn't have it and the defense helps grind out

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Speaker 1: a sixteen thirteen win. It's Indiana versus Ohio State this

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Speaker 1: past Saturday, a game where you thought there was gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot of fireworks, and Indiana's defense help win

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Speaker 1: the game against a terrific Ohio State offense. It's not

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Speaker 1: apples to apples, but still can the defense win games

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Speaker 1: for you? Can the defense win games in the fourth quarter?

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Speaker 1: Most NFL games, god knows, most Bengals games over the

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Speaker 1: la last number of years have been at least somewhat

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Speaker 1: in doubt in the fourth quarter. So my question back

944
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Speaker 1: in July and August was, okay, fine league average statistically,

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Speaker 1: can it win games for him? If there's a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks where, for whatever reason, the offense just isn't working.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's a bad matchup, or maybe it's weather. Maybe

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Speaker 1: Joe goes into the protocol and he doesn't come back,

949
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Speaker 1: or there's other injuries, whatever it is, Joe throws the

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Speaker 1: occasional pick. Can the defense win a game for you?

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there is enough time this offseason

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Speaker 1: for Duke Tobin to take a defense that has been

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Speaker 1: historically bad and turn it into one where the answer

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Speaker 1: is yes. It can win games for you. Bengals defense

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one was league average, which is great.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that until today. What I did know

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Speaker 1: is it could win games for them bird and score

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Speaker 1: forty five points against everybody. They had slogs that season,

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Speaker 1: including a couple in the playoffs. When the defense won

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Speaker 1: games for him. On Sunday in Buffalo, there were multiple

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Speaker 1: opportunities for the Bengals defense to help them win the game,

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Speaker 1: or at least give them a chance to win the game.

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Speaker 1: They failed every single time. And that's been the mo

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Speaker 1: to the season, time and again, whether it's against Justin

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Speaker 1: Fields or Caleb Williams or Jared Goff, whether they've been

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Speaker 1: ahead and trying to salt the game away or behind

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Speaker 1: and trying to give get a stop, to give Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow or Joe Flacco or Jake Browning a chance to

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Speaker 1: win the game, whatever it's been, they have failed almost

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Speaker 1: every single time. So that like so much. Showed that

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Speaker 1: on Sunday when they failed on fourth and goal at

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Speaker 1: the three, on third and fifteen on the drive after

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Speaker 1: they took the ten point lead. Time and again, when

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Speaker 1: they failed, you kind of shrugged your shoulders and said,

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Speaker 1: that's what you expect as defense can win games for them.

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Speaker 1: When that changes is when they're a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

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Speaker 1: I don't measure that in where they are in terms

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Speaker 1: of yards per game given up or even necessarily points

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Speaker 1: per game given up. I look at third and fourth

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Speaker 1: down conversion rate, stop rate, success rate in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 1: and they've been abysmal at that this year. So like,

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Speaker 1: I don't get mad at it, but I kind of

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Speaker 1: roll my eyela. It's just got to be league average.

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Speaker 1: First of all, that's an extraordinarily low ceiling, and when

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Speaker 1: you have a low ceiling, you have a low floor.

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Speaker 1: This year, right, that was kind of the goal have

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Speaker 1: a league average defense. Well, when it didn't work, guess

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Speaker 1: what happened? Historically bad defense fourth quarter? Are you getting stops?

989
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Speaker 1: Are you giving your quarterback a chance? And are you

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Speaker 1: winning games where your QB may not be at his best? Now,

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Speaker 1: for most of Sunday, Joe Burrow was awesome. Was not

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. Nothing you can do about that, Right,

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Speaker 1: He's Joe Burrow. They're not replacing them, but they got

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Speaker 1: to replace like all the dudes on defense. So they're like,

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Speaker 1: I we maybe you will I won't have that answer

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Speaker 1: before opening day next year.

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Speaker 2: I need to see it in practice, need to see

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Speaker 2: it work out in games.

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Speaker 1: But can Duke Tobin and Al Golden and the defensive

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Speaker 1: staff in the front office figure out a way to

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Speaker 1: build a defense that can win games for you, can

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Speaker 1: close games for you can give your offense a chance.

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Speaker 1: This season, the answered time and again has been no, No,

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Speaker 1: and no. Twenty seven from five o'clock, tarn are we

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Speaker 1: ready for? Do we have Grumpy Joe Burrow standing by?

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Speaker 1: We'lly Joe. I have it ready after the break? All right?

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Speaker 2: Grumpy Joe Burrow is next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 12: You've been listening to Football in the Natti on ESPN

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Speaker 1: for PJ Jewles, who came out of the game on

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Speaker 1: Sunday in Buffalo as well. Joseph Osiah full Go had

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Speaker 1: He was a full go today. Bengals and Ravens on

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Speaker 1: Pre game coverage from the Holy Grail starts at nine

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Speaker 1: to oh five. Lots more tonight on Bengals Game Plan

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Speaker 1: with Dan Horde and Dave Laphama on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: Uh Pete Alonzo signs with the Baltimore Orioles. He's not

1031
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Speaker 1: going to be a Red in large part because the

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00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: Reds didn't try to make him a Red. Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: talks every Wednesday. Sometimes we carry it live. We did

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Speaker 1: not do that today but I was told that Joe

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00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: today sounded grumpy. And look, he's on a four and

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Speaker 1: nineteen Bengals are very very very unlikely to make the postseason.

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Speaker 1: It's prime years. Another one being wasted. He had a

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Speaker 1: game on Sunday where he was complicit in his team's demise.

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Speaker 1: You could understand him being grumpy. Let's see how grumpy

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Speaker 1: he sounded. Here is Joe Burrow? Is this a like

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00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: a chunk? What are we about to listen to?

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Speaker 13: Here?

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Speaker 2: Tarry? Describe it for me? With's a chunk of chunk?

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Speaker 14: Audio and audio? Besides the last question, you can't really

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Speaker 14: tail is more in his body language?

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Speaker 1: Oh gotch All right, so you have to imagine Joe

1047
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: Burrow's body language theater of the minder. Here's Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 1: according to many, looking and maybe sounding grumpy with the

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Speaker 1: assembled pro football media. Earlier today, I reviewed the film

1050
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Speaker 1: from Buffalo.

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Speaker 8: Obviously made a lot of good throws, But what's that

1052
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Speaker 8: out the most good man?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I've played pretty close to perfect. You know, obviously

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Speaker 11: would like to have the one that that they intercepted back,

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Speaker 11: But other than that, I think pretty good.

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Speaker 15: Do you have an idea of like after the game

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Speaker 15: so that you expressed an awareness of both defenders that

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Speaker 15: were in here.

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Speaker 11: Obviously, having looked back at it now, is there anything

1060
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Speaker 11: you could have done differently to get out of that play?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, you know, throw it higher or realize something wrong

1062
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Speaker 16: is going on and try to eat it.

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Speaker 1: I think after the game you said, you know one

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Speaker 1: on our show the first few years, Why is that

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Speaker 1: such a big deal to you?

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Speaker 9: Or why do you put so much episodes like going

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Speaker 9: out and like truly performing.

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Speaker 11: Number one, I work hard for it. Number two. This

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Speaker 11: is at the end of the day entertainment industry, and

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Speaker 11: now I want to go out and play well.

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Speaker 16: And if you're playing well and it's going points and

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Speaker 16: win games and it's usually fun to watch.

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Speaker 11: Is this a loss?

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Speaker 8: It was tougher to get over that, maybe some other

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Speaker 8: losses in your career just because of everything that happened.

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Speaker 11: I wouldn't say that. See if you've seen like there's

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Speaker 11: something on your mind.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but seemed frustrated.

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Speaker 11: There's a lot of things going on right now. A

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Speaker 11: lot of things going on right now, all related personally,

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Speaker 11: all the above.

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Speaker 1: Hmm, all right, not going on Joe Burrow, I didn't

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Speaker 1: think he sounded grumpy, sounded he sounded like that's something

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01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: he didn't want to do, which you know what that'

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Speaker 1: your obligation as quarterback.

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Speaker 14: But uh, you know, because it was weird because the

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Speaker 14: press conference started off, they asked him two or three questions.

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Speaker 2: He got up, walked away, and then came back.

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Speaker 1: He got up and walked away because like he thought

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Speaker 1: they were done asking questions. Yes, okay, so like what

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Speaker 1: he like, got up and walked away, Like you ever

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Speaker 1: had one of those difficult conversations with your boss and

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Speaker 1: you hope they're done, so you get up and start

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Speaker 1: to walk away, but it turns out like they're they're

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Speaker 1: not done, so you have to sit back down, like

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Speaker 1: one of those deals.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, but he got upset, Thanks guys and everything, and

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Speaker 14: then he got through the music. Then about three minutes

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Speaker 14: later he came back.

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Speaker 1: Because he knew there were more probe being questions from

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Speaker 1: the assembled pro football media, gotcha, all right, well there's

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Speaker 1: a there's I'm I'm I'm kind.

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Speaker 2: Of glad we didn't carry that live.

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Speaker 1: Hey. He showed up early today though, right, he did,

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Speaker 1: all right, so it was like I'll show up, get

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Speaker 1: this over with and move on, and Joe says, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot going on. Your guess is as good as

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Speaker 1: mine as to what it isn't Frankly, Frankly, much of

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Speaker 1: it is probably none of our business. According to ESPN's

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Speaker 1: Pete Damil and Adam Schefter and Dan Wetzel, Michigan has

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Speaker 1: fired Sharon Moore.

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Speaker 2: So he's gone.

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Speaker 1: Sharon Moore, boy, you talk about something that could kick

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Speaker 1: the coaching carousel, if you will. In the hyperdrive, Michigan

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01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: is playing correct me if I'm wrong, tear and they're

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Speaker 1: playing Texas in the Citrus Bowl. Yes, they just hired

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01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: Carrie Colmes to be the special teams coaches. Is Carrie

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01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: Colmes going to be the interim coach as he was

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Speaker 1: for UC in the Fenway Bowl?

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Speaker 14: No, No, they are announced it, Pope, Biff, Pogey, dude,

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Speaker 14: it was a Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 14: Well, Athletic directors release a statement on it.

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Speaker 1: Oh really.

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Speaker 14: Charon Moore has been terminated with calls effective immediately. Following

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Speaker 14: a university investigation. Incredible evidence was found that coach More

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Speaker 14: engaged in an inappropriate relationship.

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Speaker 2: OH staff member Oh Sharone.

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Speaker 14: This conduct constitutes a clear violation of university policy and

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Speaker 14: you standard and maintains zero tolerance for such behavior.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a staff member.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, the Michigan job is open. Iikes. All right,

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01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: there you go. Sharon More bounced to Michigan for cause

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Speaker 1: after it. So they did this has Let's be clear

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Speaker 1: about this has nothing to do with the Connor Stallion

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01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: sign stealing thing.

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01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 2: This is something entirely different, all right.

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Speaker 14: Huh, John Harball, take take the job, John Harball, John

1139
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 14: go take his brother's old gig.

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Speaker 1: Right?

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01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 2: Perhaps?

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01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: Perhaps are they gonna make like a big deal. It's

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01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: got to be a Michigan man. Are they gonna do

1144
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: that whole thing? Are they got to be a Michigan man?

1145
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: Who are the Michigan men? That would be Maybe you're

1146
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: Brady off TV. Maybe Brady go and coach.

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01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: Tom Brady go be the coach of Michigan. That would

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01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 2: be interesting. That would be weird.

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01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: Hey, Charon Moore, there you have bombshell drop taught us

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01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday afternoon. There you go. Charon Moore out

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01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: at Michigan because of a university investigation into an inappropriate

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Speaker 1: relationship with maybe Joe Burrow and Sharon Moore friends, and

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01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: he knew what was coming down the pike, and he's

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Speaker 1: grumpy about that. I have no idea, So there you go.

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Speaker 1: We'll monitor that story as the afternoon unfolds. It's twelve

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Speaker 1: away from five o'clock. We'll take some phone calls. We

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01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: will Richard Skinner at five twenty. We're gonna go to

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01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: Baltimore at five thirty, and you and I in between

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Speaker 1: everything else on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Alexa, what's going on in baseball?

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Speaker 6: Getting east from iheartrate.

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Speaker 2: The Red's my trade for catel Marte at the Diamonds Wall.

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Speaker 1: See, I have like ninety seconds here and I don't

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01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: want to cut people short, so thank tit. We do

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01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: have folks waiting, but I Tarren has already had to

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Speaker 1: juggle the clock, if you will, and so I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be on time here. Year We're going to hit

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Speaker 1: her a break. We'll come back and then we'll we'll

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01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: we'll open things up and folks can talk about whatever

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Speaker 1: the hell they wanted. Five point three seven four nine,

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty Charon Moore, if you missed it, the Michigan

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01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: coach is no longer the Michigan coach because the university

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Speaker 1: has done an investigation into an apparent inappropriate relationship with

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Speaker 1: a staff member. Biff Pogey, who used to be at

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Speaker 1: Charlotte is the interim coach. Has the Notre Dame athletic

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01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: director weighed in on this, Pete Bavakua look athletic directors

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Speaker 1: of programs that get snubbed in the College Football Playoff

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01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: are supposed to go on public crusades on behalf of

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Speaker 1: their programs. I think he's been a little bit overboard.

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Speaker 1: I get it. He's he's supposed to be aggrieved. He's

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01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: supposed to be out there making the case that his

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Speaker 1: his program got jobbed, and to a large degree, I

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Speaker 1: sort of.

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Speaker 2: Think it did. But I'm kind of good.

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Speaker 1: I do want to talk about the like the most

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Speaker 1: robust industry in the United States of America is college

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Speaker 1: football outrage. We'll spend some time on that in a

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Speaker 1: bit coming up on five o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 1: or it is sponsored by attacker.

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Speaker 6: Dave Lapham and me for Bengals game plan tonight starting

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Speaker 6: at six on the official home of the Bengals, Cincinnati's

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Speaker 6: ESPN fifteen thirty ago.

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Speaker 1: All right, it is five oh six. This is ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty Mowager. Thanks so much for listening today. Hoping

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01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: we're having like the greatest Wednesday of all time for

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01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: a snow good. Yes, I'm I'm getting Sharon more text

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01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: that make me last. I can't read them on the air.

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01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: Twitter is having to blast right now. Oh, we're having fun.

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01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: Sharon Moore, the Michigan coach is not the Michigan coach anymore.

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Speaker 1: The school has bounced with cause because of an internal

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Speaker 1: investigation into an inappropriate relationship with a staff member.

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Speaker 2: That's as far.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go with what is being reported because

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Speaker 1: I am a responsible broadcaster. It is the bud Light

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Speaker 1: five o'clock Happy Hour on ESPN fifteen thirty thanks to

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Speaker 1: bud Light, which I could badly use right now, and

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01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm guessing Sharon Moore could use right now. Bud Light

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01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: easy to drink, easy to and we've got some leftover

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01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: bud Light from the Christmas party in the fridge. We

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Speaker 1: do well, Tarin, right now, you have one job unless

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Speaker 1: you want me to way to the break and I'll

1222
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Speaker 1: go fetch them. Your call, it's up to you. Sounds

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Speaker 1: like he's already off to go retrieve us in bud Light.

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Speaker 1: What do we have? Richard Skinner's gonna join us in

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Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes, and we're gonna got to Baltimore talking

1226
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Speaker 1: about the Ravens with a terrific writer by the name

1227
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Speaker 1: of Jonah Schaeffer with the Baltimore Banner. Don't forget one

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Speaker 1: hour from right now, it's Bengals game plan. Bengals game

1229
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: plan with Dan Horde and Dave lapham Uh. In the meantime,

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01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: let's try to get to some folks because I have

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01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: babbled long enough. Ron and Milford. Ron and Milford sees

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Speaker 1: whatever conversation you're engaged with right now and talk to me.

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Speaker 2: You're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 13: No, could tell Marte. I mean, really, is this where

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Speaker 13: those deals again, where the Reds are going to try

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01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 13: to throw money just to throw money after they've struck

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Speaker 13: out on who they really want.

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Speaker 1: Well, can tell Marte is a good player. I mean

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01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: he's he has been an All Star in the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years. He was terrific two years ago. There

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Speaker 1: is merit to add and can tell Marte, But can

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Speaker 1: tell Marte means you have to give up players, means

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Speaker 1: you have to give up assets that aren't necessarily just

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01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: pure dollars and cents. Since I'm not opposed to can

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01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: tell Marte, but I would prefer the guy that doesn't

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Speaker 1: require you to trade away Asse to get him.

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Speaker 13: Well, yeah, And I mean, does that mean we've given

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01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 13: up on Matt McClain. He were done with them, he's

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Speaker 13: no longer of used to us.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it means they're giving up on him,

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01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: But I do think you have to have a plan

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01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: in place. I think you either have to have a

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01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: plan in place in case Matt mclan can't recapture his

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01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: old form. And I don't know that Matt McClain's season

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three means that he is not replaceable.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's really nowhere on this team where you're

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01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 1: not looking for upgrades. And so coutel Marte is a

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01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 1: better player than Matt McLain, I would have no problem

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Speaker 1: that whatsoever.

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Speaker 13: Well, I'm only worried though, because we've seen when they

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Speaker 13: got these guys in their thirties, Mustakis.

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Speaker 17: The candy man.

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Speaker 9: I mean, we've.

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Speaker 13: Really not done so well lately with these transactions when

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01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 13: we're just spending money at I like to say, hey,

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01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 13: guess what fans, we're spending money on guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think there's a to me. Kad

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Speaker 1: tell Marte is not that. I mean, if you look

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Speaker 1: at kateel Marte's numbers last year, you would you would

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Speaker 1: put him in the middle of the order. You'd rather

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Speaker 1: have Kyle Schwarber. I would too if you look at

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Speaker 1: Coud tell Marte was like thirty the MVP voting two

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Speaker 1: seasons ago. Like he's a really good player. Silver Slugger

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Speaker 1: Awarded his position the last two years. Like, don't be

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Speaker 1: opposed to that. He's a year younger than Kyle Schwarber,

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Speaker 1: so don't be opposed to ka tell Marte wonder what

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Speaker 1: it would take to get him, and wonder if they

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01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: would be opening up one hole in the process of

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Speaker 1: plugging another.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm just I just feel like, I'm like, I

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Speaker 13: don't know how that really helps solve the problem. I mean,

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Speaker 13: he's not that big of a thumper to help us,

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01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 13: you know, power wise. So I mean, if we're looking

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Speaker 13: for a thumper, I don't know that he's the answer

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Speaker 13: for the thumping.

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Speaker 2: It's better than what they got.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, I'd rather have Schwarber, but the dude

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01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: has average thirty home runs a year in the last

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Speaker 1: three years. Like, you can't that that wouldn't help.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, yes, it's just like I said, I mean,

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Speaker 13: I don't know. I think i'd rather I don't know

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Speaker 13: what else is out there, but I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 13: like I said, we've seen the candy Man. We've seen Ustakas.

1294
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 1: Could tell Marte, could tell Marte is a better player

1295
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: than the candy Man. Well, that's right, but even even

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01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: at his best, could tell Marte I understand any frustration

1297
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: with the Reds. I share it, I've expressed it. Do

1298
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,759
Speaker 1: not be opposed to tell Marte being a Red now again,

1299
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: prefer other options, prefer free agents. I always prefer free

1300
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:56,919
Speaker 1: agents because I don't want to trade starting pitching. Yeah,

1301
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: and could tell Marte I think would cost a lot

1302
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: if you're the Arizona Diamondbacks and look to tell Marte

1303
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: has years left on his contract. If you're the Arizona Diamondbacks,

1304
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: you're not just giving him away. And you know, you

1305
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: look at him, and it's fair to wonder by the

1306
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 1: end of the decade, what kind of player are we

1307
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about. But could tell Marte would be

1308
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: a massive upgrade from from Matt McClain, anybody else you

1309
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: would have put in the middle of the batting order.

1310
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: Don't be opposed to could tell Marte.

1311
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think.

1312
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 13: I think mainly, I just feel like you said, Like

1313
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 13: you said, maybe it's me thinking of the assets as well.

1314
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 13: We're getting up assets as well, which to me I

1315
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,600
Speaker 13: may be opposed to. I'm not sure what else is

1316
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 13: left in free agency, but I just feel like, as

1317
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 13: we know, the Reds choices lately have not been so

1318
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 13: good when they've spent money.

1319
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: So but would you have but now, would you have

1320
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,759
Speaker 1: held that against him had they signed Kyle Schwarber?

1321
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 13: Uh? Actually, I feel like yes too, because that goes

1322
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 13: back to like the whole Oh, let's bring Griffy to

1323
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 13: town because you know what, that'd be great. And we

1324
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 13: saw all that work out. He was hurting more than

1325
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 13: he could play, and we gave Barry Larkin that contract

1326
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 13: just because the fans cheered him and they didn't want

1327
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 13: him to leave town. So I mean Schwarber, I mean, sure,

1328
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 13: great American Ballpark. He probably might hit sixty home runs

1329
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 13: this year, but by the end of the contract he

1330
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 13: might be falling apart.

1331
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: Ron Who cares about the end of the contract. I'm

1332
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 2: trying to win now?

1333
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: Who cares? Who cares? Ron Ron? They haven't. They have

1334
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 1: not advanced in the postseason in thirty years, and I'm

1335
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: gonna care about twenty twenty nine. No. Number one. Number one.

1336
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 1: If you could go back and do the Ken Griffey

1337
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: Junior trade again, you would do it ten times out

1338
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 1: of ten. The fact that it didn't work out twenty

1339
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,759
Speaker 1: five years ago doesn't mean you don't go after Kyle Schwarber.

1340
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 1: You can say the Kotel Marte doesn't solve their biggest

1341
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: issue and then have reservations about adding a guy who

1342
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: hit fifty six home runs last year.

1343
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:09,719
Speaker 13: Well, I've just seen too much.

1344
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: I think that's fine, but like, all right, so cross

1345
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber off the list. Cross could tell Marte off

1346
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: the list because that doesn't do it for you. Who

1347
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: do you want that gives them pop in the middle

1348
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 1: of the order.

1349
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 13: That's the thing I don't really know.

1350
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 9: I don't have any answer.

1351
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 2: But then like, that's the thing.

1352
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: You can't say I don't like this option and then

1353
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 1: not present another one. And look, I share whatever amount

1354
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: of frustration you or everybody else has with how the

1355
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: Reds go about building their team. And I think they

1356
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: allowed Kyle Schwerber to say no, and they did it willingly,

1357
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: which frustrates me into a degree baffles me. But I'm

1358
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 1: not going to balk at adding a guy and can

1359
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: tell Marte who is an upgrade from what they have

1360
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: and like on the on the list of for lack

1361
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 1: of pop, you could do a lot worse. Now again,

1362
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 1: I would prefer to go after a free agent because

1363
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to give up assets, and I think

1364
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 1: can Tell Marte would cost a lot, and I think

1365
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 1: he would cost so much that it would be basically

1366
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: a wash because you'd really be making your team worse elsewhere.

1367
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: But if you're not on board with Kyle Schwarber, which

1368
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 1: by the way, he's off the list, and it's not

1369
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 1: gonna be Pede Alonzo because I guess you could say

1370
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: the same thing about Peede Alonzo that you would say

1371
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: about Kyle Schwarber. And if you're not interested in Kittel Marte,

1372
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 1: like we're kind of running out of options here.

1373
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 9: Yeah, No, what is the deal? Have you heard anything?

1374
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 13: What is the deal?

1375
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: Where it says the Reds.

1376
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,879
Speaker 13: Are working on a blockbuster? Is that the could tell Marte?

1377
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 13: Because to me, one guy being involved coming back.

1378
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 9: Isn't really a blockbuster.

1379
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 13: A blockbuster would be us getting maybe two guys coming

1380
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 13: back in return for whatever we're doing.

1381
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 10: Uh.

1382
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: The reporting that I have seen says, and this verbiage

1383
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: is funny, the front office is considering looking into a

1384
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: trade for Kidtel mart So they're thinking about thinking about

1385
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 1: a trade.

1386
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 2: That's again, that's a really good player.

1387
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: It's a player who you know, you're not exactly nuts

1388
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: about paying the freight for the rest of the decade.

1389
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: But ron I couldn't care less about who the Reds

1390
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 1: are paying in twenty twenty nine. I would have advanced

1391
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: in the postseason this year. So Kyle Schwarber, you would

1392
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: have been paying for past prime years. Pete Alonzo, you'd

1393
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 1: be paying for past prime years. It's baseball free agency.

1394
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: If you want the top end guys, you're probably going

1395
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 1: to have to do that. So yeah, there's a time

1396
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 1: to do that. And I think the time to do

1397
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: that is when you have a chance to win in

1398
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 1: the short term. Run.

1399
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 2: I gotta run, man, Thanks so much.

1400
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 13: Alrighty Mo, take care.

1401
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean I I think there's The preference was Kyle Schwarber.

1402
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: It didn't happen, and the Reds gave him a reason

1403
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: to say no. The reason to say no was we're

1404
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: not going to give you what you think you're worth

1405
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 1: on the open market. But he's off the list, Like

1406
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 1: hate it, he's off the list. I don't know how

1407
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: serious their pursuit of Katel Marte is going to be.

1408
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what the Arizona Diamondbacks want in return,

1409
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: but he would help this team. Matt McClain should not

1410
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: have any spot on this team, locked down, unchallenged. If

1411
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: I could have kateel Marte or Matt mclan, I'll take

1412
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: kateel Marte. What's it gonna cost me? Hudo have to trade?

1413
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: And if it's not him, then what Richard Skinner on

1414
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: Richard Skinner joins us on Wednesdays from Local twelve and

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Speaker 1: Local twelve dot Com to talk about the Bengals.

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01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 2: And he's here now.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Skinny mo, I'm in the land of the scott

1430
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: Eagles tonight.

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01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 9: I mean your character you play to Scott tonight.

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01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 2: Taylor mell very good. How are the Eagles doing this year?

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01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 9: They are two and zero and we'll see what they

1434
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 9: do with us tonight. We're want to know.

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01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 2: So wow, very good.

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Speaker 1: So a very early season battle of Titans in northern Kentucky.

1437
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: This is going to be if you if you walk

1438
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 1: down that hallway and you look at the class of

1439
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 1: ninety five, you could see what I look like with

1440
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: a like a spike flat top.

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01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 9: I already did that, mo, I did take a gage.

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01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 2: Very good, very good.

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01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: I frankly think that game tonight might be a little

1444
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 1: bit more interesting than Bengals and Ravens on Sunday.

1445
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 9: Oh, I don't know. I mean you got the Ravens

1446
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 9: fighting for their lives, the Bengals fighting for their last

1447
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 9: breath if you will.

1448
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 7: Their last gas.

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01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 9: No, I think it is. I will say this. I

1450
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 9: have a feeling because of the weather and where things

1451
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 9: are going, you'll have a lot of empty seats.

1452
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:26,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably probably have a lot of lot of empty seats. Uh,

1453
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,799
Speaker 1: where do we go from here with this defense? Because

1454
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 1: you know on Sunday, all right, Burrow throws the pick six,

1455
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: then there's another pick. Fine, right, But They're still in

1456
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: the game, and multiple times in the fourth quarter with

1457
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: a ten point lead, down by three, down by five,

1458
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: chances to get off the field, chances to salt the

1459
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 1: game away, chances to give Joe Burrow a shot, yet

1460
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,600
Speaker 1: again they failed. Did that undo the positive gains of

1461
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:50,799
Speaker 1: the previous couple of weeks.

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01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:53,560
Speaker 9: I think so. I mean, I think you're gonna have

1463
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 9: to show something over the four final four weeks to

1464
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 9: give you some hope of what are your core pieces

1465
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 9: for next year? I mean, do you totally have to

1466
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 9: remake the life backer room again? That's a big ask.

1467
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 9: I mean, after you decided you were going to roll

1468
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 9: the dice with two rookie linebackers and start this thing

1469
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 9: all over, you know, safety position kind of the same

1470
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 9: way up front on the edges, you know, with Trey

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Speaker 9: Hendrickson probably gone and just as the side possibly gone

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01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 9: and Shamar Stewart unproved, and I mean, there's a lot

1473
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 9: of holes. And that was the disappointing part about Sunday.

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01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 9: You know, at twenty eight eighteen, I thought that was

1475
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 9: a more pivotal series than the one after that that

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01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 9: the Borough Picks in Borough Fix six was just a

1477
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 9: fluky great play by a dude. I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 9: if you watch that over and over and over again,

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01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 9: samar Chase is wide open. If that ball gets over

1480
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 9: his head, he's one on one with a corner down

1481
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 9: the sideline for at least fifteen yards if not maybe

1482
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 9: bowling them over side stepping him going in for a touchdown.

1483
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Speaker 9: And instead it goes the other way. I mean, you

1484
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 9: gave up a touchdown drive in a minute one seconds

1485
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Speaker 9: up ten that that can't happen. You know, if they

1486
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Speaker 9: use four minutes, which is a fairly quick drive in

1487
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 9: the NFL, then then you're into four minute offense where

1488
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 9: you're trying to grind out some first downs and use

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Speaker 9: their timeouts and get yourself down to maybe a clinching

1490
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 9: score or at least to the point where when you

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01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 9: whenever you get the football up, there's little time left

1492
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 9: and they have no timeouts remaining. Instead of minute one second,

1493
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Speaker 9: stood back within three. And that's the thing that was

1494
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 9: really frustrating is I thought that'd drive more than anything else.

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Speaker 1: If I would have said to you back in August

1496
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: that DJ Turner would have a legitimate case to be

1497
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Speaker 1: a pro bowler, you would have said, what I.

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Speaker 9: Have said, you're crazy, man. I would have thought he

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Speaker 9: might get his starting job back at some point. But

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Speaker 9: that's a story. Actually, I'm trying to bank for probably

1501
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 9: next week. We got a bunch of quotes from Al

1502
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 9: Golden earlier this week. You know, Zach talked about it

1503
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 9: a little bit today. I didn't get a chance to

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Speaker 9: talk to DJ today, and I'd like to talk to

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01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 9: him about it. But and usually you know how this works,

1506
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 9: like you're a Pro Bowl caliber player and then it's

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01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 9: probably one more year where you're just not quite on

1508
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 9: the radar, but now you are on the radar, so

1509
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 9: people are thinking of you in those terms. So I

1510
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 9: don't think DJ makes it. I think he deserves it.

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01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 9: I think he's not just been good, man, he's been great.

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01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 9: Now he's taking the best receiver on the other team

1513
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 9: and usually locking that player up. I go back to

1514
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 9: the romadonesday is probably not the best receiver the Bears had,

1515
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 9: but he gave up nothing to Roma Doomsday. It's been

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01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 9: week to week to week where you know, it was

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01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 9: a couple of games ago where somebody made a catch

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01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 9: on DJ and it ended up being a passing offensiveassi

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01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,560
Speaker 9: interferer of some of min like, yeah, there's nobody to

1520
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 9: plats passes on DJ turn that had to be a penalist.

1521
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 9: And so I think that's where we're at with this guy.

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01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 9: You just expect him to shut down the best receiver

1523
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 9: on the other team. And that's a luxury. I mean,

1524
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,919
Speaker 9: it's wanting to have a guy who's your number one corner.

1525
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 9: It's another to have a shutdown corner, and then you

1526
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 9: can't get the rest of the defense right despite having

1527
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 9: that guy. That's a big problem.

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01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: So this is year three for DJ Turner, and so

1529
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 1: it feels like it's taken a while for the light

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01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: bulb to come on, but the light is on very bright.

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01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 8: Yep.

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01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 1: Can I cling to something similar for Miles Murphy?

1533
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 9: Not quite to that standard. I think Miles has at

1534
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 9: least played himself into a case a little locational end

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01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 9: on a perfect team. On this team, he has to start.

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01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 9: I do think he has benefited, though, Mo, from getting

1537
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 9: consistent reps. I think that's helped him a lot to

1538
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 9: where he's not looking over his shoulder and playing two

1539
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 9: snaps coming off the field. I'm playing a snap coming

1540
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 9: off the field. That it's more Hey, when I'm tired,

1541
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 9: I can come off the field, and I think that

1542
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 9: has helped him, and I do think he's played better.

1543
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 9: But he also does some crazy things like he was

1544
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,600
Speaker 9: a fourth down play where he decides to rush inside

1545
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 9: and gets pinned inside and there's nobody contain on the

1546
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,560
Speaker 9: outside of Josh Allen's able to roll out clean. That

1547
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 9: can't happen.

1548
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 17: I just can't.

1549
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 9: They can't do that kind of stuff.

1550
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 1: So what do you gotta knucking fuds after the game,

1551
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: get postgame beers?

1552
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 2: That how that works?

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01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 9: I gotta be honest with Now. We're usually a dickman's group,

1554
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 9: but knucking fudds is really good. It's one of my favorites.

1555
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 9: Went out this way back the last time I was

1556
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 9: out Hers for a coaches meeting, and then another coach

1557
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 9: from another school went to knucking futs and had some

1558
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 9: wings and some beverages and just can't go wrong.

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01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: They got They got well priced large beers. There are

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01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: knucking flights right there on on Taylor Mill Road. But

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01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: that's okay. I gave him a plug day.

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01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 2: They didn't you endorse it?

1563
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,639
Speaker 9: No, I appreciate you endorsing it because I do really

1564
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 9: like that.

1565
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: Please as do I. All right, we'll get best of

1566
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 1: luck tonight and we'll talk next week.

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Speaker 9: Thank you.

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01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 1: Thanks our guy Richard Skinner from Local twelve and Local

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Speaker 1: twelve dot com. We'll go to Baltimore next.

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Speaker 10: This week, the Ravens fly into Cincinnati for a battle

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Speaker 1: Go Don't forget. Bengals. Game plan is thirty minutes from

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Speaker 1: right now with Dan Horde and Dave Lapham twenty six

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Speaker 1: from six. This is ESPN fifteen thirty on Oeger. Bengals

1595
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: just played the Ravens on Thanksgiving Night, which means we

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Speaker 1: just talked with our next guest does an awesome job

1597
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: covering the Baltimore Ravens for the Baltimore Banner. You could

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Speaker 1: read his work at the Banner dot com. Jonah Schaeffer

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01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 1: is with us. It's good to have you again, Jonas.

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Speaker 1: How are you well?

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01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,759
Speaker 15: I just felt like I was talking to yesterday.

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01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 1: How you doing that? I'm well. I think a lot

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01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: of folks have you know, went into that Baltimore Bengals

1604
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: game on Thanksgiving night and thought, this is the Ravens

1605
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 1: chance to put the Bengals away, that didn't happen, and

1606
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:21,600
Speaker 1: then they lose at home to the Pittsburgh Steelers, and

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01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:23,759
Speaker 1: I think folks have walked away from that going Okay,

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01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 1: this team that it felt like they had a chance

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01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: to run away with the division is now cooked.

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01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 2: Is that an overreaction?

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01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 7: Man?

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01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 11: I don't know.

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01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 15: I just every time I try to get my finger

1614
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 15: on the pult of this Ravens team, I wildly disjudge

1615
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 15: what exactly the situation is. I was looking at my

1616
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 15: record and picking games straight up, not even against the spread,

1617
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 15: and I'm five and six this year. So you know,

1618
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 15: you expect a normal you know, predictor to probably pair

1619
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 15: a little bit better than five hundred, and I'm a

1620
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 15: game under five hundred, just just like the Ravens. Sorry

1621
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 15: if you got to get them sick with sevens, just

1622
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 15: like the Ravens are.

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01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: So it's it's tough.

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01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 15: I mean, like, you know, you look at this back

1625
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 15: half or this back month of the season, the final

1626
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 15: four games that they have, and it's a brutal stretch.

1627
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 15: But then you consider, well, Pittsburgh is kind of hanging

1628
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 15: on by it thread too, Like you know, it's going

1629
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 15: against Miami and Detroit and Cleveland and then Baltimore that

1630
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 15: much difficult for them than what the Ravens have coming up,

1631
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 15: considering all their deficiencies on offense and defense. So you know,

1632
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 15: you could look at this, this next game in Cincinnati

1633
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 15: for the Ravens as a potential must win game, and

1634
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 15: I think, I do think it's probably the most winnable

1635
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 15: of the ravens next four games. But you know, this,

1636
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 15: this Pittsburgh season could spiral out of control just as

1637
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 15: easily as the Ravens has over these past two weeks.

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01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 15: So I really don't know how to you know, kind

1639
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 15: of what to give you for the mortality of this

1640
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 15: of this Ravens team.

1641
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 1: Go back to Thanksgiving Night? Was it as striking to

1642
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 1: you how little they used Derick Henry in the first

1643
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 1: half and really across the entire game. But really, in

1644
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 1: the have that night against Cincinnati, you.

1645
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 15: Know, it didn't really bother me. I know, you know,

1646
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 15: Ravens fans were all up in arms about it because

1647
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 15: they look at the box score and they see just

1648
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 15: how limited his touches were, and his efficiency when he

1649
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 15: actually got those touches was so high. But you know,

1650
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 15: that second quarter was weird because they should have had

1651
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 15: a touchdown on one, they moved into field goal range

1652
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,680
Speaker 15: on another only to get knocked out by that you know,

1653
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 15: third down stack. And then I think the next two

1654
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 15: drives were one of them I believe ended up with

1655
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 15: with the fumble, and the other one was a two

1656
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 15: minute drive or a four minute drive where either Derek

1657
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 15: Henry wasn't on the field that often because they liked

1658
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 15: to have some of their more pass inclined backs on

1659
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 15: the field, or just they knew that he wasn't just

1660
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 15: because they had to move up the field, up and

1661
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 15: down the field quickly. So it didn't really bothered me

1662
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 15: that much. But Ravens fans had a very different story,

1663
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 15: and they were very much up in arms, and I

1664
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 15: do think that the Ravens kind of addressed those concerns

1665
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 15: just with the volume of work that that Henry got

1666
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 15: on Sunday against Pittsburgh. You know, they went over two

1667
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 15: hundred yards of the team for the first time since

1668
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 15: Week one, which is unbelievable considering how much of a

1669
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 15: course they were last year. So you know, obviously this

1670
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,759
Speaker 15: this Bengals rushing as you think, this Bengals rushing defense

1671
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 15: is still not much the rite home about. I don't

1672
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 15: miss the Ravens run blocking is anything to write home

1673
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 15: about either. But if Lamar's healthier, and you know this

1674
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 15: Ton Mounkett, heeals like he has some counter punches for

1675
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 15: what you know, since Nati shows the first time, then

1676
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 15: I do think that it's fair to expect Derek Henry

1677
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 15: to get more of a even get more homework than

1678
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 15: he did in the thirteen.

1679
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Speaker 1: Jonah Schaeffer from the Baltimore Banners with us for another

1680
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 1: couple of minutes watching that Thanksgiving night game and even

1681
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 1: bits and pieces of the game against Pittsburgh, and I

1682
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 1: think you could apply this to his performances since he

1683
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 1: rejoined the team after missing a couple of games. You

1684
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 1: watch Lamar Jackson and it just doesn't look like Lamar Jackson.

1685
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 1: You mentioned his health obviously that has been the story.

1686
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 1: Are his Are his issues solely attributed to the fact

1687
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 1: that he's not quite one hundred percent?

1688
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 15: I mean, I think like that's the Olkham Raisers, uh

1689
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:10,680
Speaker 15: the Oucom's Razor conclusion to this. Honestly, you know, it's

1690
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 15: just he looked like the best player in the world

1691
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 15: in the Week one and he got kind of lit

1692
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 15: up at the end of that game, and was okay

1693
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 15: for the next couple of weeks, but not really able

1694
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 15: to accelerate as easily as he once had. And then

1695
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 15: he gets the hamstring injury, and you know, he's knocked

1696
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 15: out for a month, and now he's dealing with one

1697
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 15: thing after another. Notable that today he missed practice, but

1698
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,680
Speaker 15: it was not with an injury designation. It was just

1699
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 15: arrest day, which is kind of sort of the covera

1700
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 15: they've been using for other practices that he's missed in

1701
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 15: a week's past. But you know, I think you kind

1702
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 15: of are starting to see some divisions in Rais fan

1703
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:49,640
Speaker 15: base because I think Lamar for the most part, you know,

1704
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 15: other than that one bad interception Sunday against Pittsburgh, played

1705
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 15: pretty well against the Steelers defense. And then you consider

1706
01:30:57,360 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 15: just how we ended that game with the two minutes

1707
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 15: that barely gets in a field goal range, and it

1708
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 15: looked like, you know, he barely got to practice, you know,

1709
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 15: that two minute drill. And maybe that's because he barely

1710
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 15: got to practice that two minute drill because he was

1711
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 15: limited last Wednesday and then and he missed Thursday's practice,

1712
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:15,679
Speaker 15: and here he is again missing today's practice, not even

1713
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 15: getting the mental reps in with the team. So it's

1714
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 15: it's a bit of a dicey time to be a

1715
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 15: Lamar Jackson fan in Baltimore because of everything that's happened,

1716
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 15: and you know the relative instability that the kind of

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Speaker 15: his contract situation has has engendered within the fan base

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Speaker 15: and within the front office. You know, he's under contract

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Speaker 15: for two more years after this, but they really need

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Speaker 15: to get that that cap hit down. So you know,

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Speaker 15: even though he looks better physically, he's still is flagging

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Speaker 15: accuracy wise. I think it's five straight games now under

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Speaker 15: sixty percent, which is by far the longest stretch of

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Speaker 15: his career. So, you know, the fields like a good

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Speaker 15: time for defenses to kind of get a hunk of

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Speaker 15: flash from Lamar, especially when you're a Bengals defense that's

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Speaker 15: really never been able.

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Speaker 1: To do with that like that.

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Speaker 2: No question one more.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the fan base, and I know I asked

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Speaker 1: you John Harball related question two weeks ago. They have

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Speaker 1: since lost those games against Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. What is

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Speaker 1: the fan base temperature as it relates to Baltimore's head coach?

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Speaker 15: I mean, obviously, the loudest people in the crowd are

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Speaker 15: going to be the ones calling for John Arva's job.

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Speaker 15: And you know, I think it was notable that you know,

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Speaker 15: you see on NFL Twitter on Sunday some people saying, well,

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01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 15: we spent all this time talking to how maybe Mike

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01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:31,760
Speaker 15: Tomlin had reached the end of his tenure at Pittsburgh. Well,

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Speaker 15: should we actually have been talking about the coach on

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01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 15: the other sideline in this game? So I still think

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01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 15: that's a little bit premature. I still think there's too

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Speaker 15: much equity that he's built up with character Casa GM,

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Speaker 15: with Steve Bashatti, the owner. You know, these are guys

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Speaker 15: who he's worked side by side with for close to

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01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 15: two close to two decades at this point, I think

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01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 15: it would take a just a colossal bottoming now and

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01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 15: it's a real embarrassment for the franchise. But perhaps they,

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01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 15: you know, a mismanagement of Lamar as he goes through

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Speaker 15: whatever injury he's dealing with for John Harvor to be

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01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 15: on any kind of shaky ground, like, you know, what

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01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 15: kind of precedent would you be setting for the next coach.

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01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 15: If you're saying that two division titles in three years

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01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 15: is not enough, that's just a you know, a kind

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01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 15: of Alabama football level of expectation, and I don't think

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01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 15: the Ravens are in that kind of verified air.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's a good way to put it. Jonah Schaeffer from

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01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:26,640
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Banner. You could read his work which is

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01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 1: outstanding at the Banner dot com. I appreciate the time, man,

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01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 1: thanks so much.

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Speaker 15: Thanks, appreciate you having me on.

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01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 2: You got it anytime. Thank you.

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01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:38,599
Speaker 1: Eighteen away from six o'clock. All right, we will talk

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01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 1: to other folks the rest of the way until Bengals

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01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 1: game plan moves us out of the way. On ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 4: Station Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 5: Traffic growth bound seventy five before Norwood Lateral. Two left

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Speaker 5: lanes are blocked off from an accident a twenty minute

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Speaker 5: to lay back from Ezra Charles Tribe Ronaldraken Highway. Right

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Speaker 5: lane is also blocked from a crash over at seventy one.

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Speaker 5: Traffic backed up to Ridge Road ten minutes the way

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Speaker 5: I met Ezelic with traffic.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's Tony Pike here, did someone We.

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Speaker 1: Only got a couple of minutes, so let's be quick here.

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Speaker 1: Try to see if we can get to as many

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01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 1: folks as we can. I do appreciate everybody's patience. Don

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Speaker 1: and Western Hills. Go ahead, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 17: Yes, sir, Happy holidays, buddy.

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Speaker 1: How are you right back at Yeah? I'm doing well yourself.

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Speaker 17: Hey, not too bad. I had Denver on the money line,

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01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 17: so it's not about who I had or what I had.

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01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 17: Have you ever seen now because my wife and my

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01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 17: wife is all the time, it's like, well, why does

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01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 17: the team take a field goal? Then that way you

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01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 17: would win your card? Blah blah blah. You know what

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Speaker 17: I mean? Like you, I okay, I'll just make it quick.

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01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,719
Speaker 17: I said that before. But anyway, have you ever seen

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01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 17: any team do that in your entire life, betting or otherwise?

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Speaker 9: Yes or now?

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm sure I've seen a team kick

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01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 1: a meaningless field goal in the fine seconds. I'm sure

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01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 1: i've seen it. I don't know that i've seen it.

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01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: When the number is seven and a half, they're down

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Speaker 1: by ten, they get the penalty, there's five seconds to go,

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01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 1: and they put the kicker on the field. What I

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Speaker 1: loved about it is the two announcers and off the

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Speaker 1: top of my head. I don't know who they are,

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Speaker 1: but the two announcers knew exactly what was happening. They

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Speaker 1: knew it was ten, it was going to cut it

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Speaker 1: to seven. The Raiders were getting seven and a half,

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01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 1: and so if Carlson's field goal was good, the Raiders

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Speaker 1: were going to cover. They knew the back door was

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01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 1: about to fly open. I don't know that I have

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01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:34,840
Speaker 1: seen something like that where the kicking team comes out

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01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 1: onto the field, the clock is going to expire, so

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01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 1: the game is going to end. It's not going to

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01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 1: have any impact on the outcome, but the kicking team

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01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:44,799
Speaker 1: ends up covering the spread because of the field goal.

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Speaker 17: Right, say the over as well, you know, just to

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Speaker 17: say that.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all.

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Speaker 17: I just I've been asking everybody that I know, and

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Speaker 17: I've been watching it for fifty years. I've never seen

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Speaker 17: anything like it.

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Speaker 2: Never not.

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Speaker 1: I do believe don Thanks very much, Pete Carroll, who

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Speaker 1: might be a Hall of Fame coach. I believe very much,

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Speaker 1: for lack of a better way of putting it, that

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01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 1: he knew exactly what the point spread was and thought,

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Speaker 1: at the very least we'll cover the number. Tarren harrowy

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Speaker 1: on time. Do we have any time whatsoever? No, my

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Speaker 1: apologies to those who are waiting on hold. Terrence says,

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Speaker 1: we have no time, but the good news is a

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Speaker 1: we're back tomorrow at three five, and we'll we'll carve.

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Speaker 2: Out room for you.

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Speaker 1: If you ended the show on hold, we will take

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Speaker 1: your This is my guarantee you. We'll take your phone call.

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Speaker 1: In the first thirty minutes of tomorrow's program. We have

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Speaker 1: to go. Bengals game plan is next. Have a great night.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Dan for producing. This is the ESPN fifteen thirty

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