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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike Sincey three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: sponsored in part by Skyline Chili. Stop by Skyline Chili

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Speaker 1: for a three way or cheeze Tony today.

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Speaker 2: Feeling good, It's Skyline time.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Hello and welcome in two Tony Pike's Cincy three

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Speaker 3: sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty. My name is Austin Elmore.

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Speaker 3: I am not Tony Pike. Once again, Tony Pike not

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Speaker 3: here for the show that bears his name. Tony will

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Speaker 3: be on seven hundred WLW tonight from six to nine

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Speaker 3: for sports talk. He's in for Lance McAllister. So the

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Speaker 3: schedule for right now, if you want sports talk in

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty, followed by Moe Egger from three to six.

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Speaker 3: I believe Moe is back at Oakley Greens again today

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Speaker 3: from three to six, and then you can flip down

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Speaker 3: hear Tony and see what he has to say. A

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Speaker 3: loaded show for you today. Our typical Tuesday guest will

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Speaker 3: be Joe Danoman at one pm, and we'll talk a

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Speaker 3: lot of things with him, most notably, of course, the

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Speaker 3: Bengals big win over the Baltimore Ravens on Thanksgiving and

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Speaker 3: now moving forward into the Buffalo game. But there's a

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Speaker 3: myriad of topics to talk to Joe Danniman about. We'll

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Speaker 3: also talk to Joe Goodberry multiple Joe's on the show

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Speaker 3: today and I want to get his perspective. Who's a

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Speaker 3: great analyst. He's got the YouTube show Bengals on the Brain.

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Speaker 3: If you're a Bengals fan, chances are you follow Joe

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to Mo at the end of the show

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Speaker 3: for quick hits as well. Talkbacks will happen at their

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Speaker 3: normal time, and we'll get some audio for you from

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Speaker 3: last night because there were a couple of basketball games

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Speaker 3: everything that happened last night. Cincinnati the Bearcats victorious seventy

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Speaker 3: to be good. I think Bob I had like eight

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Speaker 4: Right now.

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Speaker 3: You'll hear from West Miller and what he had to

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Speaker 3: Last night it was the New England Patriots over the

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Speaker 1: Brought to you by Postman Law on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 1: the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austin Elmore. This

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Speaker 3: that weird to you? For an injury that has had

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Speaker 3: like three or four different names. There's been a hip,

433
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Speaker 3: there's been a pelvis, there's been a core injury. There's

434
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Speaker 3: been a sports hernia. Number one, which is it? There's

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Speaker 3: no clarification on that. Number two. Why isn't the guy

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Speaker 3: on IR if he's this unhealthy, and if this is

437
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Speaker 3: a team captain and a guy who has pounded the

438
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Speaker 3: table for wanting to be a team captain, why on

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Speaker 3: God's green earth is he not in the meeting? Why

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Speaker 3: is he not doing all the stuff he would normally do,

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Speaker 3: especially if he was even remotely close to being able

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Speaker 3: to play a game. The question I'm asking is what

443
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Speaker 3: are we missing here? I think there's a couple of options.

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Speaker 3: Number One, I think Trey Henderson could quit on the team,

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Speaker 3: which is basically I got my money I need to

446
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Speaker 3: heal up. I turned thirty one. I think he turns

447
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 3: thirty one Friday, by the way, Happy birthday, Trey. I'm

448
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: gonna heal up and get ready for next season now.

449
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 3: I don't want to be franchised tack here again. So

450
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Speaker 3: if I don't play, they'll let me go. Okay, that's possible.

451
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: Just kind of pack it up. Season's over. In his mind,

452
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Speaker 3: I'm done. Other option is he's legitimately hurt to the

453
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Speaker 3: point that he can't walk. We know that's not true.

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Speaker 3: He was walking around the sidelines last weekend and his

455
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Speaker 3: pain just won't go away, and it's a difficult injury

456
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Speaker 3: that is, you know, really difficult to come back from. Well,

457
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Speaker 3: if that was the case, wouldn't they have put him

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Speaker 3: on IR like they did with Shamar Stewart, like they

459
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Speaker 3: did with Joe Burrow, like they've done with others. Or

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Speaker 3: the other option here is the Bengals gave Trey the

461
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Speaker 3: same treatment that they gave Logan Wilson and the other veterans,

462
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Speaker 3: which is, you're done. We got to figure out what

463
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Speaker 3: we have in Miles. We got to figure out at

464
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 3: the time what we have in Shamar. We got to

465
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Speaker 3: figure out if we want to reinvest in Joseph Osai,

466
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Speaker 3: you don't want to play, We're not gonna play you.

467
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: See you later. You've been nothing but a pain in

468
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: the ass over the last twelve months, so you know what,

469
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: it's no big deal. See you later now. I would

470
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: hope that's not the case, right, Like, surely a player

471
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: of his talent has not just given up, And surely

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00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: the Bengals have not looked around and acted the way

473
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: they've acted, and with the playoff path still there, just

474
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: wash their hands of Trey. Those two things can't possibly

475
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: be true, right, That would be foolish for both him

476
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: and for them. But again, it feels like we're struggling

477
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: to find the middle ground here. Those two things can't

478
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: possibly be true, But there really isn't any other indication

479
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: as to what could be going on, And so most

480
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: people around the team feel like they've seen the last

481
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Speaker 3: of Trey Hendrickson. Bengals fans feel like they've seen the

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Speaker 3: last of Trey in a Bengals uniform. And I don't

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Speaker 3: know if this is Trey's way of, you know, winning

484
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Speaker 3: the stare down with ownership, winning the stair down with

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Speaker 3: the front office, finally getting his win. I don't know.

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00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 3: I guess that's possible. But for a team that has

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Speaker 3: stood behind Joe Burrow and talk so much about how

488
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 3: much they like Joe and how the energy changes when

489
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Speaker 3: Joe is around, and how much they needed him back

490
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: and how much they miss him and how much they

491
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: love him, and how much it means to them that

492
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: Joe has come back and worked his butt off to

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Speaker 3: try to find his way back on the field. You

494
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: ever hear teammates talk about Trey Hendrickson. You ever hear

495
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: Joseph Osaya say, damn man, we gotta have Trey back.

496
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: Hope he's feeling better. Do you ever hear Miles Murphy

497
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Speaker 3: say that? Does that come out of the mouth to

498
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: Jerry Montgomery? As Al Golden said that at any point?

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00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor said barely anything. I'm just curious. This doesn't

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Speaker 3: seem to feel like there's that same energy around Trey

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00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: Hendrickson as there are for other great players. I just

502
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 3: find that interesting, and there's clearly something we don't know.

503
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm over complicating things, but this just doesn't feel right.

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00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: And I don't know where we go from here or

505
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: what this looks like. But it's a shame that this

506
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Speaker 3: is a conversation that has to be had in the

507
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: middle of whether you believe it to be legitimate or not.

508
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: It is a playoff race, and what do we have

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Speaker 3: more Trey hendrickson Drama, Whoaho Your phone Calls? Next ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Thirty, You've been listening to football in on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 1: the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals. Your front row

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Speaker 1: seat to the fiercest debates in sports. Mo Egger Today

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Speaker 1: at three pm on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: Fris the Bengals.

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Speaker 9: Like ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, Kenny.

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Speaker 10: Sent to pick now kirk Resa penetrating into the paint.

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Speaker 11: How are you tug?

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00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: Tob By Baba Della del Friesa turning the corner, recognized

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Speaker 3: two came out to him, throwing it up for the

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Speaker 3: life of Bottle Miller, for the Big Time Slam baseline.

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Speaker 12: He races it across the time line inside the three

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Speaker 12: point Archie Spenzanies as the ball taken away, tried to

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Speaker 12: sport a double shots block.

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah, what a defensive play ran.

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00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 4: Down the shooter had knocked that off the backboard.

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00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, three on the way on the right side. No good,

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Speaker 3: those kind of play, So that mere PanAm dismayed.

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Speaker 13: There was a breakaway layup he could have very easily conceded,

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Speaker 13: but he chased it down and just punched it off

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Speaker 13: the glass.

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Speaker 3: How about some Uc and Xavier for our wind Schuler's

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Speaker 3: Call of the Night Dan Horde, uh on the call there,

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Speaker 3: and of course Joe and Byron as well for Xavier

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Speaker 3: and that Call to Night brought to you by Win Shulers.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic cheese spreads. Elevate your taste game. Maybe get some

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Speaker 3: wind shoulders if you're gathering to watch the Crossdown shootout

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Speaker 3: coming up on Friday. More on that later on in

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Speaker 3: the show. But now let's get to your phone calls.

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Speaker 3: Five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen point thirty is

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Speaker 3: the phone number. We start in Mount Healthy and uh,

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Speaker 3: well no we don't. Johnny just hung up. Let's go

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Speaker 3: to Darryl in Batavia. What's up?

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Speaker 12: Darryl? All right, I'm not satdye. How's it going?

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Speaker 3: Not too bad? What's on your mind?

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Speaker 12: It's the whole and it's not even just Trail.

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Speaker 14: All the players that are under contract and say well,

547
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Speaker 14: I need more money or I'm not playing and.

548
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Speaker 10: Calls and all the drama.

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Speaker 14: These guys are very well paid for what they do,

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Speaker 14: whether they're you know, the best or the medal of

551
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 14: the lane. If you're under contract, go play the game,

552
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 14: make your money that way, what calls in drama.

553
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 4: And you do your job.

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00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you, I think, especially like once

555
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 3: we get into the season, I really don't want that

556
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: cropping up now to well, you should always be negotiating

557
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: for for a fair deal and what's do.

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00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 14: It behind the scenes, don't go so I don't make

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00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 14: it public.

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00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's what I'm saying. Like for Trey, since

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00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: he got that deal, he really hasn't said much. And

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00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: that's the thing about right now, nobody's saying anything, which

563
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 3: is what makes it weird from what we're used to.

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Speaker 14: But how much how much has he actually played and

565
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 14: done well this year?

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Speaker 4: Right?

567
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 3: Very little? But do we know that that's contract related?

568
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's what I'm saying, Like we don't

569
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Speaker 3: seem to know anything.

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Speaker 14: But but that's not I mean, he could have played

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Speaker 14: on the same contract and had another record setting season.

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Speaker 14: You know, do you remember the movie the remake of

573
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Speaker 14: mister deeds.

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Speaker 3: No, but go ahead, I'm.

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Speaker 14: Saying with the quarterback saying, well, I thought if I

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Speaker 14: played well, i'd renegotiate my contract.

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Speaker 4: Okay, And he's like, well, what happens?

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00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 12: You played bad?

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Speaker 4: Are you going to.

580
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 14: Renegotiate and let us pay you less?

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00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 4: He's like, no, I'm not right.

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00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 7: It's just go do your job and earn your money

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Speaker 7: that way.

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Speaker 3: Well, so that's exactly what happened. He went and got

585
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 3: he did his job, he got a raise, and now

586
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Speaker 3: he's performing poorly. Thank you Darryl for the phone call.

587
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 3: And he's not performing at all, and he's gotten hurt.

588
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 3: And it's been a tough situation for Trey. But all

589
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 3: I'm saying is like, clearly something's not adding up, and

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Speaker 3: I don't quite understand it because it's different from what

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Speaker 3: we're used to. Let's go to Florence. Let's talk to Mark.

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 12: Mark?

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Speaker 15: Hey, how're you going? Some of the callers alluded to

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Speaker 15: this yesterday, but I think I'm looking at the d

596
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 15: unless my eyes aligned to me. When they included Kenley

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Speaker 15: Jackson into the rotation, and you know, Shamar Stewart got

598
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Speaker 15: hurt and Cam Taylor Brick got hurt. You know, them

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00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 15: two moves look like addition by subtraction, and they could

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Speaker 15: let the two ends play on every down instead of

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Speaker 15: rotating them in and out. I think that has a

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Speaker 15: lot to do with the defense improving. And you know,

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Speaker 15: they they're not completely stopping the run, but they look

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Speaker 15: like it's slowing it down. Teams are not running on

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Speaker 15: them like they were prior to them elevating with Kenley

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Speaker 15: Jackson and letting him get into the rotation and are

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Speaker 15: you seeing the same thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a I think that's a good

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Speaker 3: point mark because you know, overall they've tackled a lot better.

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Speaker 3: Is that directly because of those guys? I don't know,

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Speaker 3: But I mean I know the way that Jalen Davis

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Speaker 3: played against Baltimore, it was like, why hasn't he gotten

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Speaker 3: a chance all year? He's been stored on the practice squad.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I think the more that that those guys

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Speaker 3: get reps, the better that they're going to perform. We

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Speaker 3: saw this happen with Osai last year. It wasn't until

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Speaker 3: the end of the year where he really kicked it

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Speaker 3: into gear. Now Murphy is playing really well. I think

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Speaker 3: consistent reps has voted well for both levels, really all

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Speaker 3: three levels of that defense. When you think to DJ

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Speaker 3: Turner to the linebackers performing better and those edge rushers.

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Speaker 15: Yeah yeah, And as far as the offense goes, you know,

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Speaker 15: now that Burrow's back, I mean that that pretty much

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Speaker 15: saves Zack Taylor's job if the season plays out on

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00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 15: a positive note, because you know, when he's out there,

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Speaker 15: you know, all Zach has to do his call plays.

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Speaker 15: You don't have to do a lot of coaching because

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Speaker 15: Burrow can he can do what he can do, you know,

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Speaker 15: on offense. But I still have a problem in the

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Speaker 15: red zone. They they've always struggled the red zone, and

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Speaker 15: I think it's because they don't use the tight end up.

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Speaker 15: So I hope somewhere down the line he figures that

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Speaker 15: out to use the tight end to stop going empty backfield, because.

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Speaker 4: I the field is.

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Speaker 15: Condensed when you get down there. I just think I

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Speaker 15: like that play action corner of the end zone of

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Speaker 15: no offense like we saw in the first game of

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Speaker 15: the season. You know, I think we ought to see

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Speaker 15: that again. So I'll get off and listen to the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark, thank you for the phone call. I appreciate it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, go back to last year, if my memory

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Speaker 3: serves correct, the Bengals were a top five offense in

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Speaker 3: the NFL in red zone percentage, So I know that

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Speaker 3: they've historically been really good inside the red zone. They

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Speaker 3: were top ten and twenty twenty three, they were top

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Speaker 3: five and twenty twenty four, so they've they've been good

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Speaker 3: in the red zone. They clearly were not good in

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Speaker 3: the red zone against Baltimore, and I'm hoping that's just

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Speaker 3: Oh by the way, twenty twenty two, they were number

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Speaker 3: seven in red zone offense. So they've historically been really

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Speaker 3: good inside the red zone offensively. But I was confused

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Speaker 3: a little bit by some of the play calling. Didn't

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Speaker 3: love some of the play calling inside the red zone.

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Speaker 3: They I just think run game has to be more

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Speaker 3: effective and short yardage down there. And also if you

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Speaker 3: get down there and you spread them out, you have

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Speaker 3: the weapons, you have Chase, you have Higgins, you have

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Speaker 3: those tight ends, you're gonna get a mismatch somewhere. So

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Speaker 3: I don't really have a lot of beef with the

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Speaker 3: way that they've performed in the red zone. Obviously, they

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Speaker 3: didn't play well against Baltimore. That to me was more

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Speaker 3: of an outlier than anything else. Let's go to Boston.

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Speaker 3: Talk to John. What's up John?

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Speaker 16: Hey, Audie, how you doing this afternoon?

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Speaker 3: I'm good man. What's on your mind?

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Speaker 16: Always doing a great job, especially when you're hosting along

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Speaker 16: for three hours. Never easy at all.

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Speaker 4: Great job, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah you.

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Speaker 16: First of all, you talk about lack of leadership with

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Speaker 16: Trey Hendrickson, I mean not attending meetings, constantly complaining. And

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Speaker 16: then he turned around and see the quarterback has his

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Speaker 16: toe operated on Friday and his back at the meetings

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Speaker 16: on Monday, planning next week's same plan. He's on the

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Speaker 16: sideline and all. He couldn't travel for the first few

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Speaker 16: games because they woudn't allow him to fly, but he

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Speaker 16: was all in to be part of the team, and

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Speaker 16: that's what true leadership is. So I think he can

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Speaker 16: see the difference there. If we touched on it yesterday,

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Speaker 16: how the defense has been better without Shamar Stewart and

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Speaker 16: to some degree with Trey Hendrickson. The last three games

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Speaker 16: that Shamar Stewart played in, the Bengals gave up thirty

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Speaker 16: one to Pittsburgh, thirty nine to the Jets and forty

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Speaker 16: seven to the Bears t one hundred and seventeen points

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Speaker 16: as a thirty nine point average. In the three ensuing

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Speaker 16: games without him, they gave up twenty to the Steelers,

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Speaker 16: nineteen to the Patriots, and fourteen to the Ravens. That's

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Speaker 16: fifty three points. That's seventeen point seven points per game.

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Speaker 16: So I reached out a couple of friends of mine

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Speaker 16: who are coaches at high school college level, and sometimes

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Speaker 16: they're the best people to talk to because they really

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Speaker 16: get inside what's going on on the field. And their

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Speaker 16: feeling has been that they now got more reps for

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Speaker 16: Osa and Murphy, but also the fact that they believe

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Speaker 16: Golden has kind of simplified the defense. And they both

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Speaker 16: told me that Cincinnati Bengals have a lot of really

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Speaker 16: good athletes up there. Let's them just go play. Let's

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Speaker 16: not make it too complicated. And you see the difference

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Speaker 16: in especially Golden maybe dialing up some pressures. It's worked

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Speaker 16: a lot better. And maybe these two young guys just

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Speaker 16: need to get reps and more reps.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it could be that simple. I think

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Speaker 3: obviously the growing pains and the patients that we had

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Speaker 3: to go through to get to this point are could

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Speaker 3: be what ended up keeping them out of the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: But I do think also situationally, Golden has done a

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Speaker 3: good job of kind of forcing the offense's hand. If

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Speaker 3: they're going to line up in a shotgun and you're

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Speaker 3: going to crowd the line of scrimmage, you're going to

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Speaker 3: kind of force them to set their protection, maybe take

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Speaker 3: a guy out of the route, maybe dial up a

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Speaker 3: hot especially on a third and long, and then you've

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Speaker 3: got to be able to rally and tackle. So I

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Speaker 3: think situationally, al Golden has improved a little bit and

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Speaker 3: been a little bit more fearless with those different looks

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Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage. And I think the confusion

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Speaker 3: of the offense has been a has benefited the defense

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Speaker 3: and those guys' ability to kind of to tackle a

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Speaker 3: little bit better and to know what's coming. So overall,

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Speaker 3: I think it's it's been better for the play caller

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Speaker 3: and for the players themselves, and reps have a big

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Speaker 3: part to do with that, and maybe knowing what the

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Speaker 3: offense is going to do as a part of that

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, without question, and then you also look at the

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Speaker 16: fact that this is going to be a tough challenge

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Speaker 16: this week against Buffalo.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the Bills ran the ball like.

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Speaker 16: The Nebraska Cornhuskers Circle nineteen ninety four last Sunday against

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Speaker 16: the Pittsburgh Feelers. And he's got Josh Allen. But now

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Speaker 16: you look at Osai and some other guys up front,

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Speaker 16: especially Miles Murphy. These are athletes that are as big

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Speaker 16: as Josh Allen and as mobile as Josh Allen. Those

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Speaker 16: are good guys to combat him and try to contain him.

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Speaker 16: If they can contain that running game, I think they

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Speaker 16: can certainly win in Buffalo because we know that Burrow

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Speaker 16: is owned Josh Allen at the head, so why not

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Speaker 16: continue that narrative going forward. So I'm optimistic about all

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Speaker 16: of this, and I think the defense being turned around

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Speaker 16: is just by making it simpler and getting those young

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Speaker 16: guys sure reps. It's like anything else. I mean, if

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Speaker 16: they only play three plays and then sit out for

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Speaker 16: a half hours then have to come back in, they

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Speaker 16: can't get into a rhythm.

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Speaker 12: And that's any sport you play, it's all about being

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Speaker 12: in rhythms.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, John, thank you for the phone call. I appreciate it,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, you're one hundred percent correct. And you know

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Speaker 3: it's going to be a challenge, and I think to

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Speaker 3: March's point, McKinley Jackson is going to be tested, you know, TJ.

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Speaker 3: Slayton is going to be tested in the interior of

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Speaker 3: that run game. Chris Jenkins is going to have to

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Speaker 3: be a part of that. And then those two guys

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Speaker 3: outside set in the edge. They did a great job

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Speaker 3: against Baltimore. They've done and had some flash moments in

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Speaker 3: the past. Can they be that consistent? Moving forward? Another

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Speaker 3: short break, we'll be back. This is Tony Pike since

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Speaker 3: he three to sixty on ESPN fifteen to thirty from

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Speaker 3: the Any Weather Heating and Darokom. Back Tony Pike since

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Speaker 3: he three sixty. Just a couple of minutes here before

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Speaker 3: we get to Joe Daniman from Fox nineteen. So we've

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Speaker 3: got time for Charles calling from Minneapolis. Charles, you're on

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty. What's on your mind?

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Speaker 4: Hey? Own you.

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Speaker 13: I wanted to appreciate real quickly that information you gave

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Speaker 13: a sort of assessments, you know, state of the college

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Speaker 13: football address you gave if you will, very interesting, Kay,

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Speaker 13: haven't really thought of it that way, but actually I agree.

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Speaker 4: With you, but haven't thought of that way.

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Speaker 13: Here's what I call about is what I call about.

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Speaker 15: I am done.

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Speaker 13: I love everything about the Bengals. Always been a Bengals

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Speaker 13: fan my entire life. My first game was Bingles against

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Speaker 13: the Browns, and I took the Bengals and never left

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Speaker 13: him as a ten year old guy. Very okay, Trey

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Speaker 13: Henderson done, Henderson Steven done, completely done. I think what

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Speaker 13: you said the extremes are probable. Actually, I think they're

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Speaker 13: more probable than what you are even suggested. I do

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Speaker 13: think that they one or both have decided. This is

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Speaker 13: where we all were done.

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Speaker 12: Move on. Every other team.

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Speaker 13: Everybody laughed at you know, Jerry Jones on the big

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Speaker 13: swing with the Michael Parsons. Are they still laughing now

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Speaker 13: that team is turning around. We need to take big swings.

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Speaker 13: Be done with Drey Hendrickson at the end of the year.

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Speaker 13: However we do that tag. I don't know about all

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Speaker 13: that stuff. I'm not well versed on that. Be done, Trey,

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Speaker 13: get rid of him, be done, get big swing. Secondly,

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Speaker 13: and very briefly, the offense is what it is. Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 13: I've always said since the beginning of Joe Burrow Zach

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Speaker 13: Taylor wanted to be the big guy at an offensive

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Speaker 13: groog and he kind of rolle his.

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Speaker 4: Thing that way.

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Speaker 13: What I think we should do look at our draft completely,

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Speaker 13: and everybody knows how we draft Malachi Starts, who was

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Speaker 13: available at the time we took Shamar Stewart was not drafted.

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Speaker 13: He is now leading the rookies and the interceptions at tackles,

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Speaker 13: performing very well. Now I will say he's playing alongside

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Speaker 13: of the number one safety in the NFL, but at

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Speaker 13: the same time that brings more traffic to him. We

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Speaker 13: need to just draft better, period. Yeah, thank you very

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Speaker 13: much for your time. I always love the shows.

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Speaker 3: Charles, Thank you so much for the phone call. I

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Speaker 3: appreciate it and appreciate the kind words. And yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think there's a lot of people that feel that way

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Speaker 3: done when it comes to Trey Hendrickson. And if this

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Speaker 3: team ever wants to get back to where they want

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Speaker 3: to go, drafting better is a prerequisite, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: Good take from Charles, good call, good first hour, good

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Speaker 3: guest coming up next, It's Joe Daniman. This is ESPN

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike, Sincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: sponsored in part by Cimcy Shirts Cincy Shirts All Sincy

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Speaker 1: all Day. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed it is Hi, Hello and welcome in our

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Speaker 3: number two of Tony Pikes Sincy three to sixty. No

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Speaker 3: tone today, the big Fella on the Big One later

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Speaker 3: this evening six to nine. I'm in for Lance McAllister,

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Speaker 3: So it's just you and me until three. Will turn

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Speaker 3: it over to Mo then. But right now, our typical

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Speaker 3: Tuesday guest, our guy Joe Daniman, joins me to talk

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Speaker 3: a little bit of everything, because there's a lot to

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Speaker 3: talk about. First, Joe, how was your Thanksgiving? Did you

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Speaker 3: go on the run in the morning? Did you get

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Speaker 3: all the you know, the calories burnt?

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Speaker 7: So?

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Speaker 3: How did it go?

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Speaker 7: It went great, Austin, and I have to thank you

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Speaker 7: for the inspiration to go through with it, because I

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Speaker 7: trained for several months for the ten k Thanksgiving Day

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Speaker 7: ten k right there at Tqlcadium, running through downtown. And

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Speaker 7: then I saw the forecasts a week of and I

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Speaker 7: saw temperatures in the twenty gusty wind, and I said,

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Speaker 7: is it worth it? Is it really worth it. I

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Speaker 7: can run a ten d by myself and do my

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Speaker 7: own time trot. But I said, you know what, Austin

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Speaker 7: challenged me. He said, you can't go through life scared. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: it's like Joe Burrow said, and I went not. And

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Speaker 7: quite honestly, the weather was fine. It was cold, but

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Speaker 7: you know, when you're on you wore them up pretty quickly.

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Speaker 7: The win wasn't a problem and I met my goal,

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Speaker 7: so I was really excited. Yeah, it was a great thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: Well, congratulations to you for that. Most Bengals fans would

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Speaker 3: say it was a great thanksgiving for the way that

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow performed and getting a win in Baltimore. When

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Speaker 3: you think of that game, what stood out to you

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Speaker 3: the most? Because I know you weren't obviously in Baltimore,

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a different view for you. What

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Speaker 3: stood out about that game in Baltimore?

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Speaker 7: What stood out to me is twofold. First being that

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Speaker 7: Zach Taylor had no problem letting Joe Burrow be himself,

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Speaker 7: and that's throwing thirty two passes in the first half.

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Speaker 7: That's letting him quarterback sneak. And I talked to Zach

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Speaker 7: about this yesterday. I said, did you have any apprehension

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Speaker 7: at all of Joe doing something like that of pushing

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Speaker 7: off on the tow when there's a quarterback sneak And

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Speaker 7: he shook his head and said, no. We knew he

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Speaker 7: was ready and Joe was his normal self. So there

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Speaker 7: were no training wheels right at the start. In fact,

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Speaker 7: Zach said they wanted to get him on the move early,

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Speaker 7: to get him back in the field of playing like

863
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 7: himself and being comfortable running outside of the pocket and

864
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 7: throwing on the move. So that was one. The second

865
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 7: was it felt like it elevated the entire team. And

866
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 7: I think if you look back at the end of

867
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 7: the season of what's going to be one of the

868
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 7: great moments of the Bengals season and if this team

869
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 7: does go on a run and does something special here

870
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 7: in the month of December, what you saw around the

871
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 7: NBC Thanksgiving table after the game what.

872
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 4: Was really cool.

873
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 7: You don't see that often in the NFL. If you

874
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 7: watch a lot of NBA, it's a new thing. When

875
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 7: one player is being interviewed, the entire team will get

876
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 7: around him. Oklahoma City made it really popular when they

877
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 7: went on the run to win the NBA Championship.

878
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 4: Last year.

879
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 7: But to see what felt like twenty or thirty different

880
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 7: players around that table enjoying themselves, having fun, feeling empowered

881
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 7: and elevated by their quarterback, that to me was the

882
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 7: image of what Joe Burrow is, what he brings. Because

883
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 7: when we all had this debate should Joe Burrow come

884
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 7: back and what feels like a lost season, a team

885
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 7: that has eight losses and it's not even December, why

886
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 7: risk it? Why come back so quickly? It felt like

887
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 7: from the outside, well, you just saw what it does

888
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 7: for a team. Yeah, he doesn't play defense, but he

889
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 7: weaponizes confidence, and he elevates teams and he empowers teammates,

890
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 7: and it just felt like we all saw that. The

891
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 7: way it played out in the game and the way

892
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 7: it played out in the post game with a team

893
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 7: rallying around their quarterback, I thought it was a really

894
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 7: cool moment and what I think might be the image

895
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 7: of the season for the Bengals at the end of

896
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 7: the year.

897
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 3: And I think too, you saw while he's standing there

898
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 3: talking to Melissa Stark. You saw it in the post

899
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 3: game video of Zach Taylor giving him a game ball,

900
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 3: You saw it in the press conference. There was a

901
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 3: motion from Joe Burrow, which we don't always see that,

902
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: and I think that maybe speaks to the volume of

903
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: that moment, not just for the team, but for him

904
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 3: personally as well.

905
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I talked to DJ Turner about that yesterday.

906
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 7: I said, did you guys realize that Joe was kind

907
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 7: of pouring his heart out where you guys are grabbing

908
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 7: turkey legs and talking about crabs? And they said, yeah,

909
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 7: we got it, And that was cool for Joe. But

910
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 7: what DJ said to me is when a guy worked

911
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 7: as hard as Joe did, when a guy put in

912
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 7: as much work as Joe did, and when he has

913
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 7: the status of what Joe had, he says, how can

914
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 7: you not give your all for a teammate like that?

915
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 7: And again that goes back to my original point of

916
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 7: what Joe and his presence does, And I think that's

917
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 7: the word is Burrough's presence is such a difference maker

918
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 7: for this organization on so many different levels, but especially

919
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 7: on the micro level of where it is inside that

920
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 7: locker room and what it does for the team. For

921
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 7: DJ to say, how could you not give your all

922
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 7: for a teammate like that? I think speaks to the

923
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 7: power of what Joe did. I thought it was cool

924
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 7: that Joe was willing to share how emotional it was

925
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 7: for him, and I thought it was really neat too,

926
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 7: to see all the players kind of acknowledge that, even

927
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 7: though they were too busy being turkeys around the turkey.

928
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 3: On the opposite end of the spectrum, Trey Hendrickson once

929
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 3: again pretty quickly ruled out by Zach Taylor yesterday. Is

930
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: there any information about you know what this is? And

931
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: am I crazy for feeling like we're missing something here?

932
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 7: No, that's that's the problem that we're all having with

933
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 7: what's going on with Trey Hendrickson, and there's just not

934
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 7: a lot of information, almost to the point where do

935
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 7: we even know exactly what the injury is right because

936
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 7: we've heard it be multiple things, and we don't see

937
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 7: Trey much inside Bengals open locker room. And I think

938
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 7: yesterday what you saw from Zach Taylor was the body

939
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 7: language speaking for him and understanding that there's a lot

940
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 7: more going onto this than he's going to let on it,

941
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 7: and that's that's his prerogative. I just feel like it

942
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 7: feels vindictive from the outside that that someone is playing

943
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 7: a game here, whether it's Trey Henderson trying to angle

944
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 7: himself out of favor in the organization so he doesn't

945
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 7: get tagged or he is injured, and the Bengals just

946
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 7: for some reason are not putting him on IR, which

947
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 7: is confusing in itself. It's just it's a bad look

948
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 7: for everybody. And the problem is without a lot of information,

949
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 7: all we can do is guess and speculate, and that

950
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 7: that's not good for the team, that that's not good

951
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,959
Speaker 7: for Trey, and it just kind of feels right now

952
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 7: it's vindictive, and I don't know which side is being

953
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 7: vindictive and at the end of the day, and it

954
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 7: ends up being a really bad look for everybody. So

955
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 7: where this ends up. I mean, you asked me several

956
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 7: weeks ago, do you think Trey Henderson is going to

957
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 7: play another snap for the Bengals? And that was a

958
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 7: few weeks ago. We said we didn't know. And this

959
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 7: is only getting deeper and darker as it goes on,

960
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 7: and there just isn't a lot of information that either

961
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 7: side is willing to share. So when there isn't that

962
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 7: sharing of information, people start to speculate. And when people

963
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 7: start to speculate, it becomes a bad look for everybody involved,

964
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 7: and that's where we are.

965
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 3: But the defensive unit that has been on the field

966
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 3: while Trey has been out at least over the three

967
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 3: last three weeks, has gotten better. What do you think

968
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 3: has been the biggest reason for their turnaround?

969
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 12: So this was my.

970
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 7: Charge yesterday was to go inside the locker room and

971
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 7: a fine guests for our live Bengal show on Wednesday night,

972
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 7: which we'll get into later, and then two to ask

973
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 7: many different players on the defense to walk me through

974
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 7: it like I'm a third grader on why the defense

975
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 7: right now seems to be playing better because they went

976
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 7: from historically bad to somewhat functional against Pittsburgh, too very

977
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 7: functional against New England to playing winning football against Lamar

978
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 7: Jackson and Derek Henry. Now the caveat is Lamar Jackson

979
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 7: looks like the moon Stars stole his talent on space

980
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 7: jam who does not look like himself. I don't know

981
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 7: what that performance was on Thanksgiving night. And yes, the

982
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 7: Bengals did get some breaks with Isaiah likely fumbling at

983
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 7: the one yard line and the OPI call on Dave

984
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 7: Flowers that can be debatable. So there were moments that

985
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 7: the Ravens probably should have capitalized on and even despite

986
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 7: playing poorly on offense, probably still should have scored a

987
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 7: lot more points than they did. But the question I

988
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 7: took to so many players on defense, and I talked

989
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 7: to Barrett Carter and Geno Stone and DJ Turner and

990
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 7: Demetrius Knight, everybody has a different answer on why the

991
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 7: defense is playing better. Zach Taylor says, it's twelve weeks

992
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 7: of continuity. There's confidence when guys yell together. Eric Carter says,

993
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 7: we're working our butts off, being intentional with everything we do.

994
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 7: Geno Stone says it's intention to detail on the run game.

995
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 7: DJ Turner says it's a group that just stayed together

996
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 7: and started to figure out. But if you look more

997
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 7: at what's on the field, unless what the guys are saying,

998
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 7: you're seeing right now is a willingness of a defensive

999
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 7: coordinator and a defense to disguise and simulate pressures and

1000
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 7: feel comfortable in doing so. If you go back and

1001
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 7: listen to Al Golden talk throughout the year, you kept

1002
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 7: hearing him use this turn of trying to simplify it

1003
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 7: so guys could play faster. Well, now that these rookies

1004
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 7: and these young players in this unit as a whole

1005
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 7: has had twelve weeks to play together. You're seeing Al

1006
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 7: Golden be more willing to put in more complicated looks

1007
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 7: too offenses. And if you go back to the play

1008
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 7: where Lamar Jackson was sacked inside the five yard line

1009
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 7: by Joseph Osai and Cedric Johnson recovered on the three

1010
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 7: yard line, to go back and look at that play,

1011
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 7: you're going to see seven guys on the line of

1012
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 7: scrimmage right before the ball is snapped, and then right

1013
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 7: before the ball is snapped, boom. Geno Stone drops back, Boom.

1014
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 7: Barrett Carter drops back and takes away Lamar Jackson's first read,

1015
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 7: so he has to hold the ball just a little

1016
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 7: bit longer, and that gives time for Joseph Osai and

1017
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 7: Biles Murphy to create some kind of havoc on the

1018
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 7: right side of his offensive line and boom, the play

1019
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 7: is made. So to me, it's that it's a young

1020
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 7: group that took a long time to feel comfortable to

1021
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 7: start to reach deeper into Al Golden's playbook. You're seeing

1022
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 7: more willingness to disguise, more willingness somewhat to blitz, but

1023
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 7: overall a willingness to be just a little bit more

1024
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 7: complicated here and give quarterbacks an offense is a harder

1025
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 7: look and it's paying off so far the last couple

1026
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 7: of weeks. As the Bangles get deeper in the.

1027
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 3: Season, we want to switch gears quickly and talk to

1028
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 3: you about UC for a moment. Over the weekend, Tony

1029
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 3: Pike described the loss to Eastern Michigan as the worst

1030
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 3: Bearcats basketball loss of his lifetime. Obviously, the football team

1031
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 3: got trounced at TCU as well. What do you make

1032
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: of the state of both You see football and basketball

1033
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 3: right now, and what's the way out? Is there a

1034
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 3: way out?

1035
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 15: Huh?

1036
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's not great. And you look at what you

1037
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 7: see football did in the first half of the season.

1038
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 7: And the hardest thing to do, especially when you see

1039
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 7: football and you think about the hierarchy of Cincinnati sports,

1040
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 7: is to make yourself relevant in a town that the

1041
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 7: Bengals exist, the Reds exist, And we can go down

1042
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 7: the line as c Cincinnati was playing deep into the

1043
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 7: MLS playoffs, and they made themselves relevant in the first

1044
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 7: half of the season, but they continue to fall apart

1045
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 7: and self destruct in Novembers. And is that warranted for

1046
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 7: a change of leadership. I don't know, because I thought

1047
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 7: about halfway through the season, and even further halfway into

1048
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 7: the season, is that Scott Suderfield had done enough to

1049
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 7: calm the waters to deactivate the hot seat in Clifton.

1050
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 7: And then November happens, and you see how this team

1051
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 7: fades down the stretch in another November, And how can

1052
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 7: that not be a discussion going forward, because that's what

1053
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 7: happens in Collwood's football is changes happen, and we're seeing

1054
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 7: it all over college football right now. And if you're

1055
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 7: not in this first wave, then you might be too late.

1056
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 7: And it's kind of feels right now that U see

1057
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 7: is going to stick with where they are. And then

1058
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 7: that leads to the discussion of basketball and where they

1059
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 7: are with basketball, and it's interesting depending on who you

1060
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 7: follow and the narrative that surrounds that team is there

1061
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 7: are people. And you know, I laughed a little bit

1062
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 7: with Trags about this yesterday at the stadium because Drags

1063
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 7: put out a tweet after the Intern Michigan game that

1064
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 7: Wes Miller will be coaching for his job in the

1065
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 7: Crosstown shootout, and I know he's being a bit facetious,

1066
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 7: in a bit exaggeratory, if that's a word with what

1067
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 7: he's tweeting on that he's not coaching for his job

1068
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 7: in the Crosstown shootout, but it's another data point, another

1069
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 7: bullet point to what his resume will be at the

1070
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 7: end of the season for a guy that needs to

1071
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 7: make the NCAA tournament. Because yeah, he can go out

1072
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 7: and lose the shootout on Friday night, but he goes

1073
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 7: ahead and Ryan Dave's this thing, loses to his rival

1074
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 7: and puts together a great end of the year and

1075
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 7: makes the NC Double A tournament. It kind of feels

1076
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 7: like that Stin is forgotten somewhat. So what west Miller has.

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Speaker 7: The pressure's on west Miller. There's no doubt there is

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Speaker 7: pressure on west Miller starting this Friday night in the

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Speaker 7: Crosstown Shootout. But it's bigger than that game. It's bigger

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Speaker 7: than beating Xavier. It's what he does and conference play,

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Speaker 7: it's what he does in March to where we're going

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Speaker 7: to judge this because it's time and it's time for

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Speaker 7: this program to be back in the NC Double A tournament.

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Speaker 7: So while I don't think he's coaching for his job,

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Speaker 7: on Friday night in the Crosstown shootout. It certainly would

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Speaker 7: be another data point for a coach that has to

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Speaker 7: prove he is the right person for the job in Clifton.

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Speaker 3: Not the only thing going on Friday night. We've got

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Speaker 3: the state finals coming up and a couple of Cincinnati

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Speaker 3: teams in action. I'm sure you guys will be covering it.

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Speaker 3: What do you got coming up when it comes to

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Speaker 3: the state football championship?

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Speaker 7: So I'm going to test your knowledge here. Okay, it's not.

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Speaker 3: Good, but you can test it.

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Speaker 4: No, no, what.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to test your Cincinnati knowledge. If I said, Austen,

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Speaker 7: what does Cincinnati do really really well? We would both

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Speaker 7: agree that we do ice cream great?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 7: What else does Cincinnati do well? We do chili well.

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Speaker 7: We take a lot of pride in our Chilean Cincinnati,

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Speaker 7: and we believe we do high school football really really well.

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Speaker 7: And it's been four years since a Cincinnati area team

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Speaker 7: has won a state championship in football in Ohio. I

1106
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 7: think that would shock people to find that out. It's

1107
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 7: been from twenty twenty one. It's been from twenty twenty

1108
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 7: a Division one team has won an Ohio state state championship,

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Speaker 7: and now we have Anderson in Division two, we have

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Speaker 7: Saint X in Division one. On Thursday and Friday. It

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01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 7: is time for one or both of these teams to

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Speaker 7: end Cincinnati's drought at the state championship. Yes, we will

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01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 7: be there Thursday, we will be there Friday. Division two,

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Speaker 7: Division one, Anderson's a rematch of a game they lost

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01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 7: last year in the snow against Avon, same teams, right

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01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 7: back at it, same spot. Can Anderson finish it this year?

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01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 7: Sane X plays Owen Tangy Orange, who shut out Saint

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01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 7: Ed's twenty eight to nothing in the state semi finals.

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01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 7: They get them in the Division one state final on

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Speaker 7: Friday night. Can sine X be the team to end

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Speaker 7: the drought? Or can it be Anderson one of these

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Speaker 7: two teams, If not both, Austin have to do it

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Speaker 7: for the city of Cincinnati to end this drought because

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Speaker 7: we believe so much in the high school football we

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Speaker 7: play in this city.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned a show coming up tomorrow night. You were

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01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 3: recruiting Bengals to come on the show. What do you

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Speaker 3: got coming up?

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Speaker 7: As you can imagine when a team goes on a

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Speaker 7: losing street and they get to three and eight. It

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01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 7: becomes very difficult to get guys to want to do

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Speaker 7: public appearances.

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Speaker 4: We get that right.

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Speaker 12: Imagine it was you.

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Speaker 7: It's tough to go out there in front of the

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01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 7: public when you're not playing well. So we had a

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01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 7: lot of guys who said, come ask me when we win.

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Speaker 4: So when the.

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Speaker 7: Bengals one on Thursday night, we got out a cliffboard

1140
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 7: and we said we're going across this room and we

1141
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 7: are locking guys in. No kiddings, but we have Ted

1142
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 7: Karris and Dalton Reisner tomorrow night live at Newport on

1143
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 7: the Levee. Hey man, look up those PFF grades on

1144
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 7: the Bengals offensive line and what he did Thursday night.

1145
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 7: We can talk about a defense, we can talk about

1146
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow, we can talk about this massive game coming

1147
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 7: up Sunday in Buffalo. But the offensive line did their

1148
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 7: job on Thursday night.

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01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 4: They will be.

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01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 7: Rewarded six o'clock in front of Bengals fans. Live free

1151
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Speaker 7: event for everybody listening this to get to Newport on

1152
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 7: the Levee tomorrow night at six.

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01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 3: Ted Carris's performance this year is one of the things

1154
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 3: that I will have to eat some crow about by

1155
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 3: the end of the season, and I'm happy to do

1156
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 3: so because of the way that he has performed. Unfortunately,

1157
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 3: I don't have enough time to ask you about Lane

1158
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 3: Kiffin and the college football world being turned on its head,

1159
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 3: but maybe we'll get to that next week. Joe, thanks

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01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 3: so much for your.

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Speaker 7: Time anytime, Austin, and keep playing Bone Thugs and Harmony

1162
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 7: as your bumper music. I listened the first of the

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01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 7: month no less than fifteen times yesterday because oh.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 3: That's awesome. Thank you, You're very welcome, and thank you

1166
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Speaker 3: and yeat. That's Joe Daniman from Fox nineteen. He's the best.

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Speaker 3: All right, we'll take a break. Your talkbacks are coming

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Speaker 3: up next. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 10: Press the microphone and record your message.

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Speaker 3: You are Austin and.

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01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 10: Tone please keep it clean and don't be mean at

1172
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 10: a sprinkle sprinkle drip drips.

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01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 3: It's that kind of talkbacks.

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Speaker 10: It's our favorite parter Sincy three sixty.

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Speaker 11: So Austin, buddy, yeah, play those on your screen and

1176
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Speaker 11: please try out to sabotage.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in. Since he three sixty Tony Pikes, since

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Speaker 3: he three sixty, No Tony Today, I'm Austin and you

1179
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 3: can leave a talkback on the iHeartRadio app. Just tap

1180
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 3: that little microphone next to the play button when you

1181
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 3: search ESPN fifteen thirty. You leave us a message, we

1182
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 3: play it on the air. Let's get to them now.

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Speaker 10: Hello, this is longtime talkbacker and first time listener Ronald.

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Speaker 4: Hi.

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Speaker 10: Ron and Will I had some time this morning on

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01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 10: the Google and found a couple of interesting facts to

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Speaker 10: pass along. Did you know that our tenth president, John

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01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 10: Tyler had a grandson who just died earlier this year. Oh,

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Speaker 10: and Willie Mays is the only player to hit at

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Speaker 10: least one home run in innings one through sixteen during

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Speaker 10: his career.

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Speaker 3: I actually knew.

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01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 10: Well, now we've got to go find that blasted duck

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01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 10: of mine.

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Speaker 3: I actually knew those fun facts. I remember reading about

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Speaker 3: the John Tyler grandson not that long ago. And Willie Mays, Yes, legend.

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Speaker 17: Hi, this is the Lord. I just took some hopium

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Speaker 17: on the Bengals winning out the rest of their games

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Speaker 17: this year. I'm also giving out free hopium to talk

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01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 17: that nation, So please give me a call.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

1202
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 3: Glad to hear that the Lord has still got time.

1203
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 3: After consulting deeply with Lane Kiffin.

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Speaker 18: Tony, this message is for you.

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Speaker 3: He's not here.

1206
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,959
Speaker 18: An had asked their voters to rank the sixty eight

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Speaker 18: Power four teams to do their broadcast grade. I saw this, Howard,

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01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 18: and they've decided to give the voters the chance, and

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01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 18: they get the voters Cincinnati sixth place out of sixty

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Speaker 18: eight among all broadcasters.

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Speaker 4: Way to go.

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01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw this. This is pretty cool. It's awful announcing.

1213
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 3: And they do their college football broadcasts duos and they

1214
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 3: rank them and they have people vote and do all

1215
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 3: the whole nine yards, and as he mentions, out of

1216
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 3: sixty eight of those broadcasts, Cincinnati, Dan Hord and Tony

1217
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 3: Pike ranked number six. And I would make the argument

1218
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 3: that that's probably a little too low. They should be

1219
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 3: a little bit higher. But yeah, that was really cool,

1220
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 3: especially for two guys that have, you know, really been

1221
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 3: in the booth together only a handful of times. Not

1222
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 3: a surprise though, because if anybody who listens to them knows,

1223
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 3: they're spectacular.

1224
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, rep in the city out here in sunny hot Zona.

1225
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Speaker 3: What up, Tony?

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01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 19: What up?

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Speaker 15: Buddy?

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Speaker 9: No, I'm not a happy UC fan. What I watched

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01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 9: last night was not good. This team looks flat. I

1230
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 9: looked at Zaber last night. They looked a little bit

1231
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 9: better than I thought. Yo, Wes, if you don't beat Zaber,

1232
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:06,759
Speaker 9: we got major problems.

1233
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,799
Speaker 3: We don't get in this tournament. Major problems.

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Speaker 9: Your coach sat Man that see this dumb fire hot

1235
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 9: yo Man.

1236
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 3: Two straight seasons in the season with losing streaks.

1237
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 9: We get that crappy dot com nobody cares bowl.

1238
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 3: Get them about it here. I'm done with coach sat Game,

1239
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 3: the crappy dot com, nobody cares ball. Listen.

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01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 9: I'm just a frustrated Bearcats fan. I watched both sides

1241
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 9: of the ball, football and basketball, and when it comes

1242
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 9: to big games, our coaches get our coach, our players

1243
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 9: look like they've never seen the big stage before. I mean,

1244
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 9: it's embarrassing as a Bearcats fan, man, I mean, you

1245
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 9: can't win big games on either side of the ball.

1246
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 9: Just look flat out embarrassing. You want to call yourself

1247
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 9: a power for school, look like a major school.

1248
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Speaker 3: Are we still in the AAC or something?

1249
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Speaker 9: You tell me, get somebody in here who can coach

1250
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 9: this program and get it in the right direction.

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01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,440
Speaker 3: I think a lot of bear Cats fans would agree

1252
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 3: with Ronnie ron out there in sunny, hot.

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01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 15: Zona, Audi Elmore in a big chair on the All

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01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 15: Pike Everything Nation Station.

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01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 4: If they're ads and Bengals can excel at one thing,

1256
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 4: it's always given us just a little bit of hope.

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01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 20: And when we think things are done now, they got

1258
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 20: to go get it done.

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Speaker 3: It's down on business in Buffalo. Go up, Aaron, dine

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01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 3: on them. Buffalo means all right, man, isn't it? Isn't

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01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 3: that a good thing? Though? Wouldn't you rather now? I listen,

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01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 3: I know we've all had our hearts broken many many

1263
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 3: times by the Bengals, by the Reds, by Cincinnati sports

1264
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 3: in general, But wouldn't you rather have some hope than

1265
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 3: no hope at all? Is some hope better than none

1266
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 3: at all? I would think?

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01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 19: Hey, Austin, it's Greg.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 17: I just think satur Day's game being inside in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll take all the weather elements out of it.

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01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 3: I just think it's it's going to be great, a

1273
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 3: great day for our buck. Guys. How do you feel

1274
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 3: about that?

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Speaker 16: And Austin, as usual, you're doing.

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01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 3: A great job well, Greg, thank you so much. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to make of this game. I

1278
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 3: think Kurt Signetti is a really good coach. I think

1279
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 3: he's a really sharp offensive mind. I think that Fernando

1280
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 3: Mendoza is just perfectly operating that offense the way that

1281
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 3: they want it to and they've got a good opportunistic defense.

1282
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 3: So I wonder if this game from both sides to

1283
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 3: an extent, will be treated like a preseason game because

1284
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 3: they're likely both going to get the first round by

1285
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 3: and there's a chance that they see each other again

1286
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. I just wonder how much both coaches

1287
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 3: are willing to empty the clip, especially Signetti, and I

1288
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 3: don't know that if that's the way they're thinking at all.

1289
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 3: But you know, I Matt Patricia's defense really truly has

1290
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 3: not been tested. When they went down six nothing to

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01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 3: Michigan last week, that was their biggest deficit of the

1292
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 3: entire season in Ohio States, credit they came back. Now,

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Speaker 3: six points is basically nothing. It's one possession. It's basically

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Speaker 3: less than one possession. So I don't know what to

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Speaker 3: expect of this game. I've told my friends and my

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Speaker 3: Buckeye fans, and I've said it on here, the only

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Speaker 3: team that I really worry about is Indiana, just because

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Speaker 3: of their explosiveness, their consistency. They haven't faltered, they haven't

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Speaker 3: messed up. They're just a good team and a good

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01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 3: offensive mind. And I just wonder when the test is

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Speaker 3: going to come for Matt Patricia. Everybody's talking about him

1302
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 3: like he's the greatest coach in the history of football,

1303
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 3: and I get it, that defense is unbelievable. I just wonder,

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01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 3: you know, stylistically, what this game looks like between those

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01:12:54,640 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 3: two sides, because yes, it matters, but ultimately, how much

1306
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 3: does it matter? We talked in the past that having

1307
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 3: the number one seed isn't always the best thing in

1308
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,640
Speaker 3: the college football playoffs, And if both teams are going

1309
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 3: to get a buye and if they basically flip flop positions,

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't know. I really don't know what

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Speaker 3: to expect. But how could I not have faith in

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01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 3: what the Buckeyes have done?

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Speaker 21: Hey, Audie, can you tell me why is Jermaine Burton

1314
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Speaker 21: still on the Bengals squad? Why haven't they cut him?

1315
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 21: In Henderson, There's no way that they tag or resign him.

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Speaker 21: He's just out right unless when it comes to college football,

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01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 21: there are just too many damn bowl games outside of

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Speaker 21: the college football playoffs. There should be a few for

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Speaker 21: the teams that were on the outside looking in didn't

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Speaker 21: make it because of strength, to schedule or whatever. I

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Speaker 21: don't care, and I don't know anyone that cares about

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Speaker 21: Buffa's base.

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Speaker 3: Shut Bowl YEP. I agree with you one thousand percent.

1324
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 3: Way too many bowl games oversaturated. Once again, that's a

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01:13:56,439 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 3: television problem as far as I understand it. As Roddie

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01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 3: Ron called it, the crappy dot com nobody cares Bowl.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of those. There's about fifty of those

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01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 3: every year. It seems like Jermaine Burton, no idea why

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01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 3: he's still here. He's taking up a roster spot. I

1330
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 3: was talking about this over the weekend. Isaiah Williams has

1331
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 3: had an excellent season with the New York Jets as

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Speaker 3: a kick and punk returner and a little bit as

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01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 3: a wide receiver. How is he like? It still blows

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01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 3: my mind that the Bengals chose Jermaine Burton over him.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's ridiculous. I don't know why he's still

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Speaker 3: on the team.

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Speaker 19: What's up, Boston, JILLN Baltimore?

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Speaker 4: What up?

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Speaker 19: Super excited about Kentucky's higher will Stein greatly for the program.

1340
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 19: I think he's gonna do great things. Man, I'm over

1341
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 19: Trey Hendrickson. He's done a lot of great things for

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Speaker 19: the Bengals. But I'm ready for us to move on.

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Speaker 19: Kentucky against North Carolina tonight, big game, hopefully you take,

1344
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 19: can probably win win.

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Speaker 3: A big one, that's right, big one between Kentucky and

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Speaker 3: North Carolina, which just the battle of the blue Bloods.

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Speaker 3: Is that all on campus anywhere? Or is that one

1348
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 3: of those games that's being played, you know, in some

1349
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 3: NBA arena in New York. No, it's that rough. Okay, wonderful.

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01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 3: Can't wait for that nine to thirty pm tip off

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01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 3: right now. Kentucky favored by six and a half in

1352
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 3: that game. That's gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 22: Hey there, Tony, the Bengal Tiger Tuesday in Austin. Don't

1354
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 22: got much for you guys today, but do God, I'm

1355
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 22: stop bench and cut all right of things. You don't

1356
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 22: care about your coworkers talking about what the fantasy teams, two,

1357
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 22: the parlais that missed by one leg, and three, the

1358
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 22: food that they're going to eat over the holidays season, goodbye.

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01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:53,759
Speaker 3: I would start their parlays. I would bench their fantasy teams.

1360
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 3: I would cut the food that they're gonna eat over

1361
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 3: the holiday season. And that's something I experienced almost every day.

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Speaker 5: This is David reminding everybody it's Crosstown shootout week and

1363
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 5: it's been eight seven hundred, oh no, fifty four days?

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Speaker 4: Bearcats?

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01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 3: Oh no, Oh my gosh. Wow. So what was it?

1366
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 3: Almost three thousand days since Ohio State had beaten Michigan

1367
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 3: and we're almost nine thousand since you see is one

1368
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 3: at sentas. So maybe we can join forces for good here,

1369
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 3: if you're a Buckeye and a Bearcat fan and we

1370
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 3: can break streaks together.

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Speaker 4: Hey, y Aunie back with double Ed. I'm with you.

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01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things in college football.

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Speaker 15: It's quite a mess, and maybe I'm a lone list,

1374
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 15: but I think a commissioner will go a long.

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01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 3: Way to square some things away. Take care. I agree

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01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 3: with you one hundred percent, Kevin. But how do we

1377
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 3: get that guy? How do we get that man or

1378
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 3: that woman? And how are we going to get the

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01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 3: conferences to agree on that person and to agree to

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01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 3: answer to that person. I don't know if we will.

1381
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Speaker 2: Hi Energy, how we all?

1382
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 5: I think it's almost time to get al Golan back

1383
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:14,560
Speaker 5: his D almost it ain't there yet.

1384
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 3: Show me something against.

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Speaker 5: Buffalo, Show up in Buffalo, missed that Golan and get

1386
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 5: that D back in your name.

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01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 3: You know what. I'm gonna write this down right now

1388
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 3: because you have to talk to Moegar about this stuff.

1389
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 3: He's the guy who's in charge of the way names

1390
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 3: are spelled. Ouk Tobin, al Golan, neither one have the D.

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01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 3: Because the Bengals defense they played pretty good. I'm gonna

1392
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 3: have to ask Mo today during quick hits if we

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01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 3: can put the D back in Al Golden's name. Addie,

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01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 3: what's going on? It's maso.

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Speaker 20: So my opinion on college football and college athletics in

1396
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 20: general is that it's completely broken. Yes, everybody's selfish and

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01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,839
Speaker 20: looking out for their own interests. And I get players

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01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 20: and coaches going and making money and getting the bag.

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Speaker 3: I get that, But.

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Speaker 20: How can we not come to an agreement that it

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01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 20: should happen after the season is over.

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01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 3: Why is that so hard to implement? Yeah? I agree,

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01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 3: and that's what I want to talk about with the

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01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 3: Texas Tech head coach, and he kind of explains, like

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01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 3: the academic side of it and the portal and all

1406
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 3: this other stuff like there is just no structure and

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01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 3: that everyone is so out for themselves that it doesn't

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01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 3: really matter how you affect other people so long as

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01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 3: you take care of your program. Or however, like with

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01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 3: the Lang Kiffin things, specifically, if anybody who is has

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01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 3: a job, if you are doing a job really well

1412
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:50,799
Speaker 3: and a similar company offers you a lot more money

1413
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 3: to do basically the same thing, and they give you

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01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 3: a lot more resources to do it at a higher level,

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01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 3: most people are going to jump to that company if

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01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 3: the others aren't going to be able to offer you

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Speaker 3: those resources. I don't blame Lane Kiffin for doing that.

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01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 3: I will never blame somebody for leaving to get more money.

1419
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 3: But the problem is that the system has allowed for

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01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 3: there to be a path of destruction, a wake of

1421
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 3: destruction behind him on the way out the door. And

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Speaker 3: that's an issue. Sorry for the double dip you, I'm

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01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 3: fired up today.

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Speaker 20: But my next point was going to be I think

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01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 20: the SEC in Big ten they should just break off

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01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 20: and do their own thing, kind of have like an

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Speaker 20: NFL model and be kind of like a minor league

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01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,719
Speaker 20: to the NFL, and then the rest of the league's

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01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 20: acc big twelve, whatever the PAC twelve or whatever the

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01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 20: hell that is. Yeah, then they would just kind of

1431
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 20: be like your lower tier FCS, like what FCS is now.

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Speaker 3: Now. I think that's like actually kind of a possibility.

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01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if eventually something like that happens.

1434
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 3: I do wonder though, if the SEC and Big ten

1435
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 3: can even get along. Maybe if they're seeing enough green

1436
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 3: they will.

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Speaker 6: Hey, guy, it's Brad in the BA boy, but a.

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01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 4: Eight.

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Speaker 6: What just had a curiosity? What's your favorite restaurant? Mine is,

1440
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 6: of course, Blue Ass Chili. What's your favorite pizza? I'm

1441
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 6: a trophy guy over there in Even Dale Evan loves

1442
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 6: it too, I hear.

1443
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 3: Anyway, let me know, Beyah, my favorite restaurant and my

1444
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 3: favorite pizza are any company that is willing to pay

1445
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,759
Speaker 3: me to endorse them and say that they are my favorite.

1446
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 3: That's just, you know, my personal favorite.

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Speaker 23: Awesome, it's good. Well, I am singing tired of the

1448
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 23: Jermaine Burton saga. I'm over it. Let's get rid of

1449
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 23: this guy, maybe right out the rest of the season,

1450
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 23: but get what you can for him after that. We

1451
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 23: haven't seen enough from him in the league to warrant

1452
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 23: him taking up a roster spot. I know he was

1453
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 23: a higher draft pick, but his time is done. And

1454
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 23: how about that field goal attempt last night?

1455
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 3: That was cuckoo.

1456
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 23: Last time I've seen a field goal go haywire like

1457
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 23: that was the grammatica field goal where.

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01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 3: He tours ea. Yeah afterwards, just embarrassing. Yeah, that was wild.

1459
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Speaker 3: I don't know that I would even call Jermaine Burton

1460
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 3: asaga as much as it's just like a disappointment that

1461
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 3: this guy and the team have gotten to this point.

1462
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 3: He's not worth anything. You won't get anything for him.

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01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 3: Wide receiver, I think is on that list of things

1464
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 3: they're gonna have to address in the offseason to begin

1465
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 3: with number one, Just a guy that can win more

1466
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 3: consistency at that three spot, more consistently at that number

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01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 3: three spot where Joshaboss has been has been and you

1468
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 3: know the depth at that position, there's a lot of unknowns. Tensley, Jones, Burton,

1469
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 3: obviously they need to work on that spot. All right,

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Speaker 3: we'll take a break, we'll come back when we do

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Speaker 1: This is Football in the NATI, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Bud Light on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official.

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Speaker 2: Home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in It is Football and the NATI. Here

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Speaker 3: in hour number two on ESPN fifteen thirty. I want

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Speaker 3: to put a bow on the college football conversation and

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01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 3: the direction that it's obviously going. And I talked earlier

1480
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 3: about Texas Tech head coach Joey McGuire. He was asked

1481
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 3: in his availability prior to the Big twelve Championship game

1482
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 3: about what needs to be done to the college football

1483
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 3: calendar in the wake of Lane Kiffin and the coaching

1484
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 3: carousel and all the stuff going on. This is two

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Speaker 3: minutes of Joey McGuire providing what he thinks are viable

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01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 3: solutions that make sense for college football. Take a listen

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Speaker 3: to the Red Raiders head coach.

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Speaker 24: I want to know what my team is in January

1489
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 24: so I could create my team and what we did

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01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 24: this last year and the chemistry and everything, and so

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01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 24: you're just putting a band aid over the problem until

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01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 24: we address the calendar. So in my opinion, we all

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01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 24: should have played August twenty third, So instead of week zero,

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01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,600
Speaker 24: we play that's week one. That would mean, with the

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01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 24: buys and everything, the conference championship would have been played

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01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 24: over Thanksgiving. So you get that out of the way.

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Speaker 24: So now we know who's in the playoffs. So if

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Speaker 24: you were saying the first round was gonna be played Saturday,

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Speaker 24: and then the quarterfinals seven days after that, semifinals seven

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Speaker 24: days after that, you actually could play the National Championship

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01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 24: on January first, and then the portal would open on

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01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 24: January second, so the season would actually be over. So

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Speaker 24: until you do that, we're still gonna have this. If

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01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 24: we're gonna be like the NFL to everybody's saying that.

1505
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 24: In the NFL, there's a tampering for coaches also, and

1506
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 24: there's a penalty, and so hey, if you're gonna leave

1507
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 24: your team that's in the playoffs, maybe your team that

1508
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 24: you're going to is not eligible for the playoffs the

1509
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 24: next year.

1510
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,719
Speaker 3: Maybe that changes some of the things.

1511
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 24: Or hey, you're gonna leave your team for the playoffs,

1512
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 24: nobody from your past team or your team that you're

1513
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 24: coaching at can go to the team that you're going to.

1514
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 24: You know that they're not eligible. They ain't getting the

1515
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 24: transfer portal, but they've got to go somewhere else. They

1516
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 24: can't follow you until there's some penalties in that we're

1517
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 24: gonna get the same thing over and over. I do

1518
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 24: think the biggest thing that we have to address, and

1519
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 24: TV's got to get behind this because they've already got

1520
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,799
Speaker 24: this mapped out with the quarterfinals and all this stuff.

1521
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,679
Speaker 24: We've got to push the calendar up and we've got

1522
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 24: to get football out of the second semester. We're not

1523
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 24: supposed to be playing college football on January nineteenth. That

1524
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 24: should be over at the very worst of where it

1525
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 24: has been in the past. I still think that's too late,

1526
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 24: and the calendar can change that.

1527
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 3: I love that perspective again from Joey McGuire, the Texas

1528
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 3: Tech head coach. I mean, that makes a ton of

1529
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 3: sense to me. If school in the portal is what

1530
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 3: gets in the way of this and causes so many

1531
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 3: different issues, well then maybe it makes a lot of

1532
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 3: sense to just move everything up and so that you

1533
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 3: get you know, football out of that second semester, which

1534
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 3: seems to be the biggest issue with guys you know,

1535
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 3: go in different directions in different schools and the portal

1536
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 3: and all this other stuff either way, even if there's

1537
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 3: not a commissioner or not a governing body or whatever

1538
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:42,839
Speaker 3: it might be. I feel like most people in college sports,

1539
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 3: and especially in college football, specifically in college football in

1540
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 3: this case, would be in favor of something that gets

1541
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 3: everybody on the same page. Would they not? And if so,

1542
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 3: what really are we doing here? Take a break, we'll

1543
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 3: come back. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 1: You've been listening football in the NATI on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1545
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: The official home of the Cincinnati Bengals, continues on ESPN

1546
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 3: One of the other many reasons we need a governing body,

1548
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 3: we need some sort of regulation, We need somebody, some

1549
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 3: group of people managing college football is for stuff like

1550
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 3: what happened at the Big House on Saturday when the

1551
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 3: headsets for the Ohio State sideline, all power to the

1552
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:42,640
Speaker 3: Sideline really went out and took quite some time to

1553
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 3: get booted back up. Take a listen to what Ohio

1554
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 3: State head coach Ryan Day had to say about that.

1555
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 25: Yeah, we lost communication there in the second half. But

1556
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 25: the good news was was that earlier that week I

1557
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 25: thought there may be an inkling that may happen.

1558
01:26:58,640 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 3: So we have a plan for it.

1559
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 4: We had a.

1560
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 25: Wristband plan, and then we had we would bring Julian

1561
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 25: over and I was, you know, just getting us through

1562
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,759
Speaker 25: it until we get the headsets back back up and running,

1563
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 25: which took a little while to get done. But yeah,

1564
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 25: just by chance, you know, we we had planned for it,

1565
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 25: and so we were ready to go when it happened.

1566
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 3: Inkling, Why did you have that?

1567
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 2: Inkling?

1568
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:21,799
Speaker 3: Oh, we're just ready for everything.

1569
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 25: You just got to be ready for for anything. And

1570
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 25: you know, when you go into any big game, you're

1571
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,719
Speaker 25: always trying to put continuency plans in place for anything

1572
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 25: that could possibly happen. And so yeah, we were just

1573
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 25: I was in here on Friday, and I think some

1574
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 25: of the guys in the staff were looking at me sideways, like,

1575
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 25: why would you think that would happen? I said, I just,

1576
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 25: I just I don't know. We just got to be

1577
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 25: ready and be ready for anything. That's funny how your

1578
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 25: mind works.

1579
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 3: He finished that answer with a wink to the reporter. Now,

1580
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 3: in the NFL, all this stuff is managed by the

1581
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:57,919
Speaker 3: National Football League, not necessarily the case always in college football.

1582
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 3: There's just a lot going on in that sport that

1583
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 3: I can't I struggle to keep track of. It's truly

1584
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 3: unbelievable college football schedule. This weekend conference championships gets underway.

1585
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 3: The American is going to be Friday night, that's at

1586
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 3: eight o'clock. That's number twenty four to two Lane up

1587
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:22,560
Speaker 3: against North Texas. Then on Saturday, Big twelve Championship BYU

1588
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 3: and Texas Tech is at noon. The MAC Championship also

1589
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 3: at noon, that's Miami and Western Michigan from Ford Field

1590
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 3: in Detroit. Georgia and Alabama from Mercedes Benz Stadium in

1591
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 3: Atlanta is at four o'clock. Ohio State in Indiana from

1592
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 3: Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis at eight, and the ACC

1593
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 3: title game Duke in Virginia also at eight from Bank

1594
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 3: of America Stadium in Charlotte. So that puts a bow

1595
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 3: on the college football conversation. Let's go back to the

1596
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 3: pro football conversation when we come back. Joe Goodberry, long

1597
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 3: time Bengals analyst and host of Bengals on the Brain,

1598
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 3: friend of the show and uh a great football mind.

1599
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 3: I have questions about the Bengals defense. We'll talk to

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01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 3: Joe next on ESPN.

1601
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:12,840
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01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 3: Hi, Hello and welcome into the final hour of Tony

1608
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 3: Pike Sincy three to sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1609
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 3: No Tony Today. Tony in for Lance down the Haul

1610
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:45,600
Speaker 3: on WLW tonight. You can listen to him after you

1611
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 3: listen to Moe from three to six this afternoon. Mo

1612
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 3: forty minutes from right now joins me for quick hits.

1613
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 3: But right now we talk to Joe daniman earlier. We

1614
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 3: now go to Joe Goodberry on this Joe Filled Tuesday

1615
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 3: on fifteen thirty. Long time for unto the show. Host

1616
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 3: of Bengals on the Brain, Joe Goodbarry joins me. Now, Hi, Joe,

1617
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 3: how are you.

1618
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 4: I'm doing great, excited to be on here, excited for

1619
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 4: the week.

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01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, thank you for being here. Let me start

1621
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 3: with the defense. The Bengals defense, what specifically has has

1622
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 3: led to this Bengals defensive turnaround over the last three weeks.

1623
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 4: Oh, there's a lot of layers to that. Because they

1624
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 4: were so bad, right, they're historically bad. They're on a

1625
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 4: pace that well, you don't want to be on. And

1626
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 4: the last three weeks, I think they've figured a few

1627
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 4: things out. Number one, their blitz rate has gone up

1628
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 4: a lot more. Nol Golden has said that that's because

1629
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 4: the young guys are now able to do these things.

1630
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 4: They're able to expand some of these calls and give

1631
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 4: some different looks, and they understand the defense better so

1632
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 4: he can expand the playbook. I believe some of that.

1633
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 4: The other part is I think Al Golden figured they're

1634
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 4: gonna be better against the run if they do more

1635
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 4: three to four looks on these base downs and early downs.

1636
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 4: And they've been doing that, and I think it has

1637
01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 4: helped getting bigger bodies at defensive tackle, using Demetrius Knight

1638
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 4: to do like a quasi three four defense and bring

1639
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,639
Speaker 4: him down to the edge play outside linebacker. I don't

1640
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 4: think that ever made sense. They would sometimes kick in

1641
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 4: a d end and then have Night at outside linebacker. Instead,

1642
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 4: they've been going with three defensive tackles. McKinley Jackson's getting

1643
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 4: more run. I think he's been a plus player when

1644
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 4: he's been in for his fifteen snats or so, and

1645
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:22,680
Speaker 4: then you're getting Josephsai and Miles Murphy kicked out at

1646
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 4: least one more tech, one more gap and giving them

1647
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 4: more advantageous situations on the edge, giving you five defensive

1648
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 4: linemen on the front, and I think that helps you

1649
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 4: defend the run for sure. I think the other part

1650
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 4: is underrated, one that probably nationally no one would bring

1651
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 4: up or even be aware of, is altivating Jalen Davis

1652
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 4: to the slot corner, rolling kicking Dax Sail out to

1653
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 4: the boundary. At first, they hurt Dax. I mean that

1654
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 4: first game he got beat deep by the Patriots, Kishon

1655
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 4: Boodie had those couple of one pass interference that didn't

1656
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 4: look good for him. But I think Dax need to

1657
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 4: get his legs under him. We know he can do it.

1658
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 4: He did it last year. But Chanlan Davis has been

1659
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 4: a plus player in terms of blitzaying run, defense, tackling,

1660
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 4: and I think that's been good for them overall to

1661
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 4: get some three guys they can trust at those positions.

1662
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 3: Why do you think it took so long to get

1663
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 3: Jalen Davis an opportunity.

1664
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 4: I think they really still wanted Cam Taylor Britt to

1665
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 4: be that guy on the boundary right, Like we've seen

1666
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 4: enough flashes throughout his four years before, you know, going

1667
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 4: on IR this year that I think made people believe

1668
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 4: and I always felt it too, like, man, if they

1669
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:26,799
Speaker 4: could just straighten him out, if he could just apply himself,

1670
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 4: if he could just go on a heater, that he

1671
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:30,919
Speaker 4: would look really good and that would make your cornerback

1672
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 4: room better. Like, let's be honest, even with Jalen Davis

1673
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 4: playing well right now in the corner room looks really

1674
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 4: good DJ turners at an all pro level. If Cam

1675
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 4: Taylor Britt was who we've seen flashes of and he

1676
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:47,600
Speaker 4: was that high end guy orderlined cornerback one looking in

1677
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,080
Speaker 4: a lot of these flashes, your corner room would be

1678
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 4: really really good with Dex in the slot. So I

1679
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 4: think ideally you always wanted that to happen, and sometimes

1680
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 4: sometimes the decisions made for you. Cam is out for

1681
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 4: the foot injury, and you say, you know what, what's

1682
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 4: our best path forward? It's kicking decks out to the

1683
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,759
Speaker 4: boundary and elevating Jallen Davis. That thinks makes sense.

1684
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 3: So those few things that you outlined that in your

1685
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 3: mind have have been the keys to them playing better

1686
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 3: over the last three weeks. Is that sustainable in your

1687
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 3: mind over the last five weeks?

1688
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 4: I think it is because they are playing a lot

1689
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 4: of young guys. So if All's right and Al Golden's

1690
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 4: correct and saying, you know, we really couldn't do this

1691
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 4: stuff with the playbook because they couldn't handle it. While

1692
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 4: that was sad to hear, you know what I mean,

1693
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 4: like that maybe we don't have the right guys on

1694
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:35,759
Speaker 4: the defensive side of the Bengals. If it's slowly growing

1695
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:37,720
Speaker 4: and you can now do more things and you can

1696
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,799
Speaker 4: trust guys to do their jobs and you can trust

1697
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 4: that you can make this call and guys can make

1698
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 4: adjustments based on it on the field, well then yeah,

1699
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 4: that's sustainable. Everyone should grow into their role. You're not

1700
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 4: supposed to play rookie linebackers around the league unless they're

1701
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 4: like hit the ground running, they're really good. You know,

1702
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 4: there's two guys this year, but Carson Swessinger and John Campbell,

1703
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 4: and even Campbell's lost the starting job in Philadelphia. He's

1704
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 4: only beginning about ten year fifteen stats per game as well,

1705
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:03,439
Speaker 4: So you're not supposed to play these guys because it

1706
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 4: limits your defense. And so the college linebacker position is

1707
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 4: much different than the NFL linebacker position. So I think

1708
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,880
Speaker 4: when the Bengals did this and made this commitment, they

1709
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 4: really had to peel back what they were asking this

1710
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 4: entire defense to do, and they hurt them because if

1711
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 4: you're not going to be overly talented, then you better

1712
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 4: be confusing, you better be fundamentally sound, you better be

1713
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 4: physically you better be great tacklers. And they were none

1714
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 4: of that stuff for a long time this year. So

1715
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,559
Speaker 4: as the linebackers slowly get better, and I think they have,

1716
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 4: it allows your defense to slowly get better. And as

1717
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 4: they all get playing time from the front to the

1718
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 4: back half to the linebackers, that allows the defense to

1719
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 4: mix it up more and more. So I do think

1720
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 4: that's sustainable.

1721
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 3: I think one of the bride spots this year has

1722
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 3: been DJ Turner. You mentioned him a moment ago. Why

1723
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 3: do you think it has clicked for him? And what

1724
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 3: has been you know the reason he's been so successful

1725
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 3: so far this season?

1726
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 4: Well, let's go back to when he was a prospect. Right,

1727
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 4: we've got a smaller guy. He's about one eighty, super fast,

1728
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:03,639
Speaker 4: four to two six, it was and forty, very good

1729
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 4: in man coverage and good ball tracking, ball skills, but

1730
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 4: he had short arms. He wasn't the most physical guy,

1731
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 4: so a lot of times at the catch point you

1732
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 4: would get out muscled, or he just couldn't affect the

1733
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 4: play enough. And I called him more of like a

1734
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:19,720
Speaker 4: he's a humberd around these receivers in his rookie year,

1735
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 4: or he was tight on their hits, but he couldn't

1736
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 4: really affect the play. And as the years have gone

1737
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 4: now he's gotten better and better at finding a way

1738
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 4: to just knock the ball down when the receiver's pulling

1739
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 4: it in, or being a little more physical, or getting

1740
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 4: stronger as being a third year NFL player. Now, I

1741
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 4: think all of these things have started to click for

1742
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 4: him slowly. And then you bring out Golden then, who's

1743
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 4: a heavy man defense guy, and now he's playing more

1744
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 4: man than he ever had in his career. It's going

1745
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:46,600
Speaker 4: to make him look good. You're putting him in his

1746
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,599
Speaker 4: element in order to get the best version of himself.

1747
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 4: So I think all of those things combined is putting

1748
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 4: him on a trajectory this year where I think he

1749
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,719
Speaker 4: should be considered probably second team All Pro. He should

1750
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 4: get a Pro Bowl, not if enough people the country

1751
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 4: recognize it. And I've been trying to put the data

1752
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 4: out there and like, you know, here's PFF numbers. DJ

1753
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 4: Turner is excellent. I've done film reviews on DJ Turner.

1754
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 4: Look how good he looks. I do think he looks

1755
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 4: real good. And we're gonna be talking about when we

1756
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:15,680
Speaker 4: get the spring in summer of potentially an extension in Cincinnati.

1757
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,759
Speaker 3: Do you think that the light bulb has finally turned

1758
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 3: on for Miles Murphy.

1759
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 4: I don't know that it's turned on. I would say

1760
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 4: it's definitely flickering more often than it was I thought

1761
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 4: his rookie year. And I went back and watched this

1762
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:31,600
Speaker 4: recently because I wanted to see what he looked like

1763
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 4: year one, year or two, and I just watched the

1764
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 4: Bills Bengals games from twenty twenty three. He got a

1765
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:38,600
Speaker 4: decent amount of snaps in that game as well. But

1766
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:40,080
Speaker 4: I wanted to go back and look and say, Okay,

1767
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:41,720
Speaker 4: what was the difference because some of the data even

1768
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 4: says that Miles was winning at a similar rate as

1769
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 4: a pass rusher to what he's winning at now when

1770
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 4: he was a rookie. So I said, okay, I don't

1771
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 4: remember it that way, so let me go back and look.

1772
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 4: And I thought he was but the so the big

1773
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 4: thing I saw that was different now is he's much

1774
01:36:56,200 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 4: more aware of how offenses are attacking him, how blockings work,

1775
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 4: and how they're going to try and trick him or

1776
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:04,640
Speaker 4: get him to go inside and then they're going to

1777
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 4: steal him off. I'm much more aware of where the

1778
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:09,600
Speaker 4: ball is going, where the playflow is going, so it

1779
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:11,679
Speaker 4: allows him to make more plays. We know he's long,

1780
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 4: he's very athletic, and he's got a great get offs.

1781
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 4: He's always had a good get off since spending the league.

1782
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 4: Where he's lacked was I think the awareness. He didn't

1783
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,600
Speaker 4: have the snats right, he never was consistently playing. So

1784
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 4: I think experience and awareness are tied together for a

1785
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 4: lot of players, and you can see that starting to

1786
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 4: snowball and really grow. The other part is your hand

1787
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 4: usage and your moves and your counter moves. He was

1788
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 4: elementary at maybe his best, and now I think it's

1789
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 4: starting to progress a little bit more than that. I'm

1790
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 4: not going to say he's good yet. He doesn't look

1791
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:42,760
Speaker 4: like a guy that's a ten sec guy yet, But

1792
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 4: those flashes are starting to be a little bit more

1793
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 4: consistent because we've had games in moments like this from

1794
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 4: Miles in the past. But good players do it three

1795
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:52,680
Speaker 4: out of four games, right, So he needs this to

1796
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:55,600
Speaker 4: continue for the final five games. If it does, you

1797
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:57,600
Speaker 4: might get his fiftieer option picked up, which is like

1798
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 4: thirteen point six million. So I'm sure he's I had

1799
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:01,320
Speaker 4: a lot of reasons to play for that.

1800
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:04,599
Speaker 3: Talking to Joe Goodbarry, host of Bengals on the Brain

1801
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 3: also on X at Joe Goodberry, let's go to the

1802
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 3: offensive side of the ball, it felt like to me,

1803
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:13,559
Speaker 3: Joe that it was basically the same old Bengals offense

1804
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:17,840
Speaker 3: with Joe Burrow back at the Helm against Baltimore on Thursday.

1805
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 3: What did you make of his performance and overall, how

1806
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 3: do you evaluate the offense after Buffalo?

1807
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Burrow, I thought it was a little rusty

1808
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:30,639
Speaker 4: at first. They kind of put him through a crash

1809
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:32,720
Speaker 4: course of Hey, forty two throws in the first half.

1810
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:34,679
Speaker 4: We're going a treaty like Forrest gump with his braces,

1811
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 4: They're just going to run right out of him, right,

1812
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 4: And it worked because in the second half he would

1813
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 4: look like Joe Burrow completely. He was moving around, which

1814
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:44,600
Speaker 4: is great to see, right. I mean, that was the

1815
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 4: one thing, like, all right, it's going to be like

1816
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 4: coming back from the calf injury where they got it.

1817
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 4: Just going to keep him in shotgun and he's not

1818
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 4: going to move at all. He's just going to get

1819
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:53,639
Speaker 4: the ball out in two point two seconds. It wasn't

1820
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 4: that Honestly, if you didn't know he was injured, especially

1821
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 4: in the second half after the Russ was off, you

1822
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 4: would have no idea that it was his first time

1823
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:03,160
Speaker 4: coming back in nine games or ten weeks, whatever it was.

1824
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 4: And I thought he looked like his normal self and

1825
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 4: he was feeling it and he was excited. I think

1826
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 4: the entire offense felt it. Maybe the defense and special

1827
01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:13,559
Speaker 4: teams are feeling it too. I don't see why there's

1828
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 4: no reason to believe these guys won't be better when

1829
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 4: they feel like their franchise quarterback is going to lead

1830
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 4: the offense down the field. That you see it around

1831
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 4: the league. It always does happen. I just can't explain

1832
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 4: it other than you know, if you during that locker

1833
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 4: room or not, they might all but just be seeing

1834
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:27,800
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow out there and being like, you know what,

1835
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 4: we can do it. But the offense as a whole,

1836
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 4: the run game has been really good for the most

1837
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 4: of this year. Efficiency wise, EPA wise, success rate wise,

1838
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 4: this is the best running game of the Zach Taylor era.

1839
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,760
Speaker 4: In terms of efficiency. They may miss some of the

1840
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 4: power speed combo that Joe Mixon had, but in terms

1841
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 4: of explosiveness and consistency and pass protection, they were in

1842
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 4: a great shape for the running back position. And on

1843
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 4: top of that, their pass protection and especially that Thursday

1844
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 4: night Thanksgiving game was the best pass protection we've seen

1845
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 4: in a long time. It's the highest past blocking great

1846
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 4: PFF has given them since I believe twenty sixteen. And

1847
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 4: when you think about that, that's been a long ten

1848
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 4: years of watching and talking offensive line. Now we're talking

1849
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:12,520
Speaker 4: about it in a positive way. They're not allowing saxis

1850
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 4: this year. It's the lowest rate since twenty fourteen. We're

1851
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 4: talking about elite offensive lines in front of Andy Dalton

1852
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 4: those two years. It's good. We're in good shape and

1853
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 4: I hope this continues. I hope t Higgins gets back

1854
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 4: and they can find their elite level over the final

1855
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:28,759
Speaker 4: five games, because if they can, I don't think anyone

1856
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:31,160
Speaker 4: wants to play them when they're at their peak gun offense.

1857
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 3: That's my favorite thing to say about the Bengals at

1858
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 3: the end of every season. Nobody wants to play them

1859
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 3: at home, right, Yeah, especially when the other thing to

1860
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 3: you you mentioned the run game being so good. Is

1861
01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 3: it as simple as the offensive lineman are just performing

1862
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 3: better or do you think it's a scheme tweak that

1863
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:51,440
Speaker 3: has led to that being a more explosive and dependable

1864
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:52,320
Speaker 3: part of their offense.

1865
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 4: I think it is a lot of a scheme tweak.

1866
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 4: I think Chase Brown is running really well, but we've

1867
01:40:57,080 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 4: also seen smatgp Ryan have more explosives than he's ever

1868
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 4: had in his career. Maybe not this last Thursday night

1869
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:03,120
Speaker 4: where it seemed like, come on, give the ball to

1870
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 4: Chase Brown, love and finish this game, but the offensive

1871
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:08,559
Speaker 4: line has blocked a lot better. And when I talk

1872
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 4: in the scheme, I think it's the marrying of the

1873
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 4: run in the past and when we used to use

1874
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 4: that phrase in the pass and we've talked about that

1875
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 4: for a how many offseasons. At this point I was

1876
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 4: doing right, like, they got to figure out how to

1877
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:20,080
Speaker 4: marry the run in the pass game. Usually I was

1878
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 4: thinking of it from the perspective of to make the

1879
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:25,759
Speaker 4: passing offense better, Right, let's get the run game going

1880
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 4: so the pass offense can look better. They actually did

1881
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:30,599
Speaker 4: it in reverse, and it made me think differently this season.

1882
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 4: Is their passing offense is good and everyone around the

1883
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:35,799
Speaker 4: league knows it, and they give the Bengals the lightest

1884
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 4: boxes in the league. So what are the Bengals do

1885
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:39,760
Speaker 4: to get the run game going with that? Is they

1886
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 4: make everything still look like a pass and they run

1887
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 4: out of it, and they will have screens built on

1888
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 4: one side and they'll run the ball the other way,

1889
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 4: and it really takes even more defenders out of the box.

1890
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 4: And they are there for the first time, really toying

1891
01:41:52,439 --> 01:41:56,639
Speaker 4: with defenses in terms of instead of letting the defense

1892
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:58,719
Speaker 4: dictate when they're going to run the ball, they're almost

1893
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 4: dictating to the defense. Or the first time I think

1894
01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:03,400
Speaker 4: him the Neck Taylor era of hey, we know we're

1895
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 4: going to show this. We know we're gonna throw the

1896
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 4: ball sixty times a game. If you let us. But

1897
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:09,679
Speaker 4: if you don't bring that other safety in that box,

1898
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:11,919
Speaker 4: we will run the ball and we'll actually get explosive

1899
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:14,639
Speaker 4: runs out of it. And it's it's it's been great

1900
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:17,640
Speaker 4: and I think it's a good way of keeping the

1901
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:19,840
Speaker 4: game off of Joe Burrows shoulders. Now, I know I'm

1902
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 4: saying this after the game where he just threw the

1903
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 4: ball forty two times in the first half, but they're

1904
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 4: going to get in these games. It's gonna it's December now,

1905
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:28,439
Speaker 4: these games are going to be a grosser, right. The

1906
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:30,960
Speaker 4: field's not going to be perfect condition, it's going to

1907
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:33,160
Speaker 4: be colder. You're gonna have to lean on Chase Brown

1908
01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:34,680
Speaker 4: and some maidged p Ran and I think they are

1909
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 4: in position to do that if they have to.

1910
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:39,760
Speaker 3: What do you make of the split between Brown and

1911
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 3: p Ryan. It feels like a little bit two fifty

1912
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 3: to fifty to me. What do you make of that?

1913
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 4: Yeah? I agree, maybe this Thursday was because they just

1914
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:50,639
Speaker 4: rode Chase Brown so heavily the last few weeks while

1915
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:52,680
Speaker 4: some madjet p Ryan was out. That's kind of how

1916
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:55,439
Speaker 4: I you know, justified it in my head. Maybe give

1917
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,360
Speaker 4: Brown a fiew snaps off, but he's been too good

1918
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 4: to take off the field right now on a he's

1919
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 4: been their second best offensive weapon. It's Jamar Chase and

1920
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 4: then to me it's Chase Brown. Right now. Teagans is great,

1921
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:08,439
Speaker 4: but like you know, you look at the amount of

1922
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:10,720
Speaker 4: usage you're putting on a running back. The guy's gonna

1923
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 4: touch the ball way more than the number two receiver.

1924
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 4: He's gonna have fourteen He's on page fourteen hundred and

1925
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 4: nine yards I believe it is, which would way out

1926
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 4: pace the number two receiver. That's just how the game goes.

1927
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,320
Speaker 4: And he's been really good, six s great games of

1928
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 4: one hundred plus yards because I got to look at

1929
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,120
Speaker 4: the receiving production because it's an extension of the run

1930
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:28,559
Speaker 4: game for the Bengals, especially when it comes to Chase Brown,

1931
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 4: and he's got the second most catches on the team.

1932
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Speaker 4: So I would like to see him on the field more.

1933
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Speaker 4: I kind of get it, though. They got to give

1934
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:35,920
Speaker 4: him a little bit of a break, and I think

1935
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 4: Samaj is so reliable usually other than the fumble on

1936
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 4: Thanksgiving in past protection, he's so reliable that they would

1937
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 4: like to get him out there for at least that

1938
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:47,160
Speaker 4: if you can give Chase Brown a mental break from

1939
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:50,240
Speaker 4: past protection, maybe a physical break in past protection, because

1940
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 4: he's fine there. He's got one hundred percent past block

1941
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 4: efficiency over the last six weeks as well, so you

1942
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:58,040
Speaker 4: can use these guys interchangeably. But I do agree I'm

1943
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 4: looking for like a seventy thirty split right than more

1944
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:02,640
Speaker 4: of a fifty to fifty like we saw on Thursday.

1945
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:05,439
Speaker 3: Last thing before I let you go. Does the Trey

1946
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 3: Hendrickson situation seem odd to you?

1947
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:12,120
Speaker 4: It does, for sure, and I think it's because we've

1948
01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:14,280
Speaker 4: been talking about Tray for so long. We've heard so

1949
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:17,120
Speaker 4: many like you know, the Bengals just being frustrated with

1950
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:20,720
Speaker 4: Trey being unhappy every year, wanting a new contract every year.

1951
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:22,720
Speaker 4: It's been drama every year for a long time. And

1952
01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 4: he's a great player, no doubt about it, and he

1953
01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 4: makes the defense better. I would love to have Trey

1954
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 4: Hendrickson back for this stretch run, for this defense, to

1955
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 4: try and take it to another level. But the last

1956
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:35,960
Speaker 4: we heard, you know, they went from being a back

1957
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:40,799
Speaker 4: issue to a hip area issue, maybe a sports hernia,

1958
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 4: which it may take time, and I wonder if there

1959
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 4: is frustrated frustration, like, hey, this should take a month

1960
01:44:47,080 --> 01:44:50,679
Speaker 4: or so to heal. And Trey Hendrickson's looking at it like, listen,

1961
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:53,720
Speaker 4: I'm not committed to for multiple years. You guys gave

1962
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 4: me a one year contract again. I don't have guarantee

1963
01:44:56,479 --> 01:44:58,599
Speaker 4: money pass this year. I have to worry about myself

1964
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:00,519
Speaker 4: in free agency in the offseason, going to make sure

1965
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:03,280
Speaker 4: I'm healthy when that time comes. I will play when

1966
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:04,920
Speaker 4: I'm ready to play. I already tried to come back

1967
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 4: early and got hurt and it didn't work out for me.

1968
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:10,400
Speaker 4: He can't have that happen again. So if he's just

1969
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 4: waiting until he's healthy and he's going to take his time,

1970
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 4: I can't blame the guy because they haven't committed to

1971
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 4: him in the long term. But on the other hand,

1972
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:20,000
Speaker 4: the Bengals, Katie Blackburn's rightly looking at this like this

1973
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 4: is exactly why we didn't commit to Trey andricks in

1974
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:24,559
Speaker 4: long term. So you know what, I just as a fan,

1975
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:26,439
Speaker 4: as someone who enjoys watching the team, I just want

1976
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 4: to see him back so it can help them out.

1977
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 4: And I hope he's healthy and I hope he can

1978
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:31,200
Speaker 4: end You're on a high note so he can get

1979
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:32,639
Speaker 4: the money he deserves in the off season.

1980
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:34,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, You've pointed this out on your social media in

1981
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:36,720
Speaker 3: the past before, and I do think it's important to

1982
01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 3: note that that sometimes football can be as simple as

1983
01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:41,479
Speaker 3: you just want to watch the best players play for

1984
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 3: your team. I think sometimes we forget about that as fans.

1985
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly right, and that's why I always wanted

1986
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 4: them to trade for Joe Flacka when it happened. I

1987
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:51,880
Speaker 4: wanted them to get a quarterback in here because I

1988
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 4: wanted to see t against jamar Chees do their thing.

1989
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,120
Speaker 4: And I wanted Burrow to return because I like watching

1990
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow play, and on the defensive side, I want

1991
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 4: to watch tre Hendrickson playing. It's the last year he's

1992
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 4: in Cincinnati, and what a great five years. It's been

1993
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 4: four and a half years. I would like to see

1994
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:07,799
Speaker 4: him one more time before it's over.

1995
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:11,000
Speaker 3: No doubt about it. Joe Goodberry Bengals on the Brain.

1996
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 3: What are you working on? What do you got coming up?

1997
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:15,840
Speaker 3: How can people follow along with everything you're you got

1998
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 3: going on?

1999
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, tonight at seven o'clock, we got a Bengals on

2000
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:22,040
Speaker 4: the Brain presented by First Star Logistics. Film review of

2001
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:25,120
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow's return versus Baltimore. Look for that on the

2002
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:28,559
Speaker 4: First Media YouTube channel seven o'clock tonight.

2003
01:46:28,720 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 3: Awesome stuff. Joe, thanks so much, man, really appreciate it.

2004
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:32,519
Speaker 4: Thank you, Austin.

2005
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 3: It is Joe Goodberry at Joe Goodberry on x Dude

2006
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 3: knows this stuff. He watches the film, he consults the

2007
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:43,759
Speaker 3: data as you heard him reference a couple of different

2008
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:46,880
Speaker 3: times there, and awesome when we get a chance to

2009
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 3: talk to him and have him on the show. One

2010
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:50,000
Speaker 3: of my favorite guests, one of my favorite people to

2011
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:52,759
Speaker 3: follow on Twitter that I've I think I've been following

2012
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:56,120
Speaker 3: him for almost fifteen sixteen years now, which is kind

2013
01:46:56,120 --> 01:46:59,160
Speaker 3: of crazy just to go all around good dude. So

2014
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 3: go check him out if you haven't already. We'll take

2015
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 3: a break. Phone lines back open five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

2016
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:07,919
Speaker 3: fifteen to thirty. Anything you want to talk about. Plus

2017
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 3: hear what Richard Patino said after his Xavier Team one

2018
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:15,160
Speaker 3: last night, Here what Wes Miller said after his bear

2019
01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:18,760
Speaker 3: Cat Team one last night, and each Coach's final tune

2020
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:21,920
Speaker 3: up ahead of the Skyline Chile Crosstown shootout. All that

2021
01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:24,479
Speaker 3: plus Moegar about half an hour from right now. It's

2022
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 3: all next. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

2023
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 1: From locker room whispers to stadium roars. He's got it all.

2024
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:41,600
Speaker 1: Moegar today at three pm on ESPN fifteen thirty.

2025
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:44,440
Speaker 3: Rolling right along Tony Pike since e three sixty ESPN

2026
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:47,439
Speaker 3: fifteen thirty, about half an hour or so to go.

2027
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:51,639
Speaker 3: You're wondering where Tony is. He'll be on WLW tonight

2028
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:54,240
Speaker 3: seven hundred, that is six to nine. He's got sports

2029
01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:58,760
Speaker 3: talk in for Lance Mo between us from three to

2030
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 3: six at Oakley Greens. We'll sell to him twenty minutes

2031
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:04,400
Speaker 3: from right now. College basketball conversation coming up in just

2032
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:08,559
Speaker 3: a second. But first let's go to the phones five one, three, seven, nine,

2033
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:10,479
Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. If you want to call in and be

2034
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:12,640
Speaker 3: a part of the show, Let's go to Mike in

2035
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:14,760
Speaker 3: Los Angeles right now. What's up, Mike?

2036
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:19,360
Speaker 12: Hey, thanks, Pal, appreciate it. Hey. I really I'm going

2037
01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:23,360
Speaker 12: to get right into the football thing. But I really

2038
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:26,600
Speaker 12: do think that Richard Patino Junior ultimately is going to

2039
01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 12: be a better coach than West Miller. I just think

2040
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 12: the pedigree is there. You look at his dad. He's

2041
01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:37,400
Speaker 12: been learning from arguably the best college coach head coach

2042
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:41,639
Speaker 12: ever in college basketball to win championships at two different

2043
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:45,280
Speaker 12: schools in the same state, by the way, and with

2044
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:48,720
Speaker 12: that kind of pedigree and that kind of learning that

2045
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:51,760
Speaker 12: he's just been groomed with since he was probably five

2046
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:54,360
Speaker 12: or six years old, I just think he is going

2047
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 12: to be a superior co is a superior coach to

2048
01:48:58,160 --> 01:48:58,679
Speaker 12: West Miller.

2049
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a I think it's a fair take.

2050
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:04,400
Speaker 3: I mean, we're still waiting on it for Wes Miller, right, Like,

2051
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:06,599
Speaker 3: we've heard a lot, and we've been told a lot,

2052
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:09,400
Speaker 3: but we haven't really seen a lot. And obviously the

2053
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:12,920
Speaker 3: expectations are a little bit different with Patino at this

2054
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 3: point in the game. But you can tell there is,

2055
01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:20,440
Speaker 3: you know, legitimate progress being made. Even if the opponents

2056
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:22,519
Speaker 3: maybe are not the best that they're going up against,

2057
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:24,960
Speaker 3: you can at least see, okay, this thing's heading in

2058
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:25,599
Speaker 3: the right direction.

2059
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:29,200
Speaker 12: With Richard Patino, Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent.

2060
01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:32,880
Speaker 12: And anybody that argues that, I don't know what the

2061
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:35,880
Speaker 12: basis or the substance of their argument would be. But

2062
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:39,679
Speaker 12: you know, I love this Goodbary guy, Austin. I loved him.

2063
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:46,759
Speaker 12: He's like the Bengals micro micro management analyst of Greg Cosel,

2064
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:48,680
Speaker 12: who does you know everything? You know?

2065
01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:48,880
Speaker 19: How?

2066
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:51,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great comparison.

2067
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:57,120
Speaker 12: Yeah, this guy is every time you now, especially today,

2068
01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:00,439
Speaker 12: this guy, I mean, my god man, he open my

2069
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 12: eyes up about a bunch of stuff. And I appreciate

2070
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:07,720
Speaker 12: you having him wrong because he really is. You can,

2071
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:10,439
Speaker 12: like you just said, you can tell he does his homework.

2072
01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:11,320
Speaker 12: This guy's no joke.

2073
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:14,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he mentioned does a film break down a

2074
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 3: show that he posts on the YouTube page. It's it's

2075
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 3: really insightful stuff and makes it easy for people who

2076
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 3: maybe don't watch the film or don't know that much

2077
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:26,960
Speaker 3: of some of the terminology. Makes it really easy to understand.

2078
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:28,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, he's the best.

2079
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:31,599
Speaker 12: Yeah, and even for me, I kind of understand it.

2080
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:34,920
Speaker 12: But he's still, you know, spends more time on it

2081
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:38,439
Speaker 12: than than most of us does. So that's and like

2082
01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:41,879
Speaker 12: you said, he explains it very well to a layman.

2083
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:45,120
Speaker 12: But I don't know if that's the right term. But

2084
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:49,360
Speaker 12: I heard an interest. Did you hear Patrick this morning?

2085
01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:53,280
Speaker 3: I heard a chunk of it, not all of it, though.

2086
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:54,160
Speaker 3: What happened?

2087
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:56,679
Speaker 12: Do you hear the interview with Steve Young? He loves

2088
01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:57,200
Speaker 12: Steve Young?

2089
01:50:57,439 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 3: No, I didn't hear Steve Young.

2090
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:03,080
Speaker 12: And Steve Young is whattly a smart guy. You know,

2091
01:51:03,080 --> 01:51:05,759
Speaker 12: he went on from football and guy he's a lawyer.

2092
01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:11,000
Speaker 12: And the guy is just brilliant, brilliant, brilliant mind, and

2093
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:15,240
Speaker 12: he's a fun guy. But he was so Dan asked him,

2094
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:20,000
Speaker 12: why do you think Stafford's doing so well with other than.

2095
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:21,280
Speaker 4: This debacle the other day?

2096
01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:25,479
Speaker 12: And he said, I'll tell you why, because you look

2097
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 12: at the guys who are pure pocket passers, like Breeze,

2098
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:36,120
Speaker 12: like Peyton, like Brady, and now the only ones that

2099
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:40,080
Speaker 12: are left are Rogers and Stafford. And these guys are

2100
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:46,200
Speaker 12: playing quarterback of a higher intellect than the rollout passers.

2101
01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:49,040
Speaker 12: And the guys who can run the ball, they can

2102
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 12: pick a defensive part much more succinctly than than than

2103
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 12: these guys in the current day style of quarterback. And

2104
01:51:57,320 --> 01:51:58,840
Speaker 12: I wanted to get her a pack. I thought it

2105
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:00,759
Speaker 12: was a stute, but I wanted to get your opinions.

2106
01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:02,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's that's kind of part of the

2107
01:52:03,240 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 3: years of like the spread offense and the seven on

2108
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:09,760
Speaker 3: seven style of offense that's come up through the high

2109
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:12,679
Speaker 3: school and college ranks. And Tony would be able to understand,

2110
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:16,719
Speaker 3: maybe explain this better than I could. But those guys

2111
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:20,680
Speaker 3: have seen every possible defense and combination of defense and

2112
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:24,599
Speaker 3: understand the different ways to beat it. Whereas a lot

2113
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:27,640
Speaker 3: of the days, a lot of times now, quarterbacks come

2114
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:29,519
Speaker 3: up through the system and this is what we're running,

2115
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:31,479
Speaker 3: and this is how we're gonna do it, and here's

2116
01:52:31,479 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 3: your read, and if it's not there, take off and

2117
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:36,160
Speaker 3: use your legs and use your athleticism to go get

2118
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:39,360
Speaker 3: the first down. There's less going through the progression and

2119
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 3: operating the offense and taking advantage of the defense as

2120
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:45,400
Speaker 3: much as it's one read and go and take off

2121
01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 3: with your feet. At least that's my perception of it.

2122
01:52:48,160 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 3: And the more that you play and the more that

2123
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:53,160
Speaker 3: you see those defenses, the more that you understand. Okay,

2124
01:52:53,200 --> 01:52:55,719
Speaker 3: And like a guy like Stafford or even like Burrow

2125
01:52:55,800 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 3: for an example, it may not have the athletic ability

2126
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:01,400
Speaker 3: to do that. So they have to be able to

2127
01:53:01,479 --> 01:53:03,320
Speaker 3: learn how to process it, have to be able to

2128
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:05,240
Speaker 3: learn how to get from one read to the other,

2129
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:07,639
Speaker 3: or when to check it down and stuff like that.

2130
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:11,720
Speaker 12: That's what he was basically saying is these guys are

2131
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:15,360
Speaker 12: much more cerebral and and and their ability to to

2132
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:19,479
Speaker 12: just quickly dissect it. But like you said, they I

2133
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:22,080
Speaker 12: mean they didn't. They hadn't seen everything when they were

2134
01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:25,719
Speaker 12: young guys, but they came up in that environment and

2135
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 12: Uh and Rogers and Stafford are still around. So there.

2136
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:31,600
Speaker 12: I he made a sound like this, and now I

2137
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:34,880
Speaker 12: know you got to go. He said, Stafford. He laughed.

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Speaker 12: He said, Stafford is actually laughing at this stuff, and

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01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:43,640
Speaker 12: so simple for him. He didn't know what happened the

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Speaker 12: other day. He said, it doesn't matter. We all have

2141
01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 12: a bad games. But anyway, thank you, Austin.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you, Mike, thanks for the call. I appreciate it.

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01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:55,160
Speaker 3: Didn't Yeah, I mean I think Stafford too. Just ridiculous

2144
01:53:55,240 --> 01:53:59,880
Speaker 3: arm talent and just a perfect marriage between UH quarter

2145
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:03,680
Speaker 3: back and coach and obviously the weapons Adams Nakua, their

2146
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:05,960
Speaker 3: run game. I mean, the Rams are the best team

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01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:07,880
Speaker 3: in the NFC as far as I'm concerned, at least

2148
01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:10,639
Speaker 3: right now. Time for another Let's go to Hyde Park.

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01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:14,439
Speaker 3: Let's talk to Matt. What's up, Matt? Hey, awesome? How

2150
01:54:14,479 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 3: you going, man? I'm good man. What's on your mind?

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01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:20,360
Speaker 12: Well, I'm I was calling in about the buck guys.

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01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 8: I I was gonna see is there anybody Is there

2153
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:27,040
Speaker 8: anybody in the field, like on the playoff field that

2154
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:27,600
Speaker 8: scares you?

2155
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:30,880
Speaker 4: Is there one team?

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01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:35,400
Speaker 3: I would say Indiana and Georgia. My friends say I'm

2157
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:38,400
Speaker 3: crazy for being scared of Indiana, but I mean, you

2158
01:54:38,440 --> 01:54:41,720
Speaker 3: don't go twelve and zero on accident, and Signetti wins

2159
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:45,720
Speaker 3: everywhere he goes, so that in Georgia, just I feel

2160
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:50,720
Speaker 3: like has slowly been increasing in slowly getting better over

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01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:52,680
Speaker 3: the course of the season. So I would say.

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01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 8: Them, Yeah, I honestly I agree that there's really aside

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01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:00,880
Speaker 8: from Bama, Georgia and Indian I don't I don't know

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01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:03,000
Speaker 8: anybody that actually, I don't know anybody who can score

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01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:06,000
Speaker 8: on us. I feel I feel great.

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Speaker 25: I don't.

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01:55:06,280 --> 01:55:07,400
Speaker 8: I don't know, I feel good.

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Speaker 3: It really comes to me though, it comes to those two.

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01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:14,680
Speaker 3: Those two quarterbacks Mendoza and Gunner Stockton are experienced. They

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01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 3: operate the offense really well, and when you have quarterbacks

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01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 3: like that, you at least stand the chance against a defense.

2172
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:24,160
Speaker 3: It may not be, you know, a huge chance, but

2173
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 3: when you have those, you know, experienced passers, I think

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01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:27,680
Speaker 3: it means a lot.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And then I guess the other thing I left

2176
01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:33,520
Speaker 8: to talk back the other day. I'm pretty passionate about this.

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Speaker 8: But with the Notre Dame in Miami, do you have

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01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:38,120
Speaker 8: a do you have an opinion on that?

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Speaker 3: I don't honestly, who would you who would you put in?

2180
01:55:42,240 --> 01:55:44,480
Speaker 3: Who won head to head Miami?

2181
01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:47,000
Speaker 8: Right, yeah, well yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, But but

2182
01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:48,000
Speaker 8: who would you put in?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I honestly, God, I've been not really

2184
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:54,600
Speaker 3: focused on that at all, but I would I would

2185
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:56,040
Speaker 3: probably put Notre Dame in.

2186
01:55:58,160 --> 01:55:59,880
Speaker 8: So yeah, I mean Notre Dame. They look they have,

2187
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:02,360
Speaker 8: they look so much better. But it's like, I mean,

2188
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:05,640
Speaker 8: Miami beat them. It's uh, it's true of High State.

2189
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:08,200
Speaker 8: Whenever whenever Ohio State got in, whenever we won the

2190
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:11,839
Speaker 8: national title in twenty fourteen, it was because of Baylor

2191
01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:16,120
Speaker 8: and TCU. Uh, TCU had this amazing uh you know,

2192
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:20,720
Speaker 8: I guess resume. But but Baylor beat him head to head,

2193
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:23,040
Speaker 8: and that's and and but but Baylor didn't look great.

2194
01:56:23,320 --> 01:56:25,760
Speaker 8: So they just said, well, we can't put we can't

2195
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:28,280
Speaker 8: put Baylor in ahead of TCU because like they just

2196
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:28,880
Speaker 8: have it looked great.

2197
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Speaker 12: So they just threw a.

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Speaker 4: High State in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what that's what that was like, that's

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01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:35,080
Speaker 3: what got us in. Yeah, you're exactly right. I mean,

2201
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Speaker 3: I I wouldn't have a problem with either one of them.

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01:56:38,200 --> 01:56:40,360
Speaker 3: I guess I would lean Notre Dame. But I don't

2203
01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:42,040
Speaker 3: know that I really have a good reason for that

2204
01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:45,160
Speaker 3: other than I don't trust Miami and I don't trust

2205
01:56:45,160 --> 01:56:48,720
Speaker 3: Carson Beck. But yeah, I mean, this is this is

2206
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:50,960
Speaker 3: what I love about college football is that we get

2207
01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:53,520
Speaker 3: to have this debate every single year. No matter what,

2208
01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:56,680
Speaker 3: there's always this situation scenario.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:00,320
Speaker 8: It's gonna be like, there's gonna be probably three four

2211
01:57:00,360 --> 01:57:03,680
Speaker 8: to five teams are all pretty much have the same argument.

2212
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:05,520
Speaker 8: They're all gonna look pretty close.

2213
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:10,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm right there with you, Balin or aka Matt.

2214
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:11,600
Speaker 3: Thanks for the phone call.

2215
01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:14,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, sir, have it going on.

2216
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:16,320
Speaker 3: You too, man, that is a Ballin ain't easy, as

2217
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:19,720
Speaker 3: he's affectionately known to so many. While we were having

2218
01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:24,000
Speaker 3: that conversation, the Bengals made a roster move. The Bengals

2219
01:57:24,040 --> 01:57:29,320
Speaker 3: today signed cornerback Jalen Kimber to the practice squad. He

2220
01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:32,120
Speaker 3: is a six foot one hundred and ninety pound rookie

2221
01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:35,000
Speaker 3: out of Penn State. He was a college free agent

2222
01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:38,600
Speaker 3: signee of the Titans. In May, was waived by the

2223
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:42,040
Speaker 3: Titans on final cuts and spent the four games earlier

2224
01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:45,720
Speaker 3: this season four games earlier this season on Buffalo's practice squad.

2225
01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:51,640
Speaker 3: He was released from the Bills on October fourteenth, so

2226
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:55,640
Speaker 3: earlier today. The Bengals signed Jalen Davis to the active roster,

2227
01:57:56,480 --> 01:58:02,040
Speaker 3: and now they've signed Jalen Kimber to the practice squad.

2228
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:06,080
Speaker 3: That is the latest when it comes to the Bengals.

2229
01:58:06,840 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 3: We'll take a break, We'll come back. College basketball Crosstown

2230
01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:14,760
Speaker 3: Shootout coming up this weekend. Hear what both coaches had

2231
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:17,120
Speaker 3: to say after wins last night on ESPN fifteen to

2232
01:58:17,160 --> 01:58:20,320
Speaker 3: thirty Welcome back Tony Pike, Sincy three to sixty On

2233
01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:25,800
Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty on Austin Elmore talked about the fact

2234
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:31,400
Speaker 3: that college basketball the world centers around Cincinnati on Friday

2235
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:35,920
Speaker 3: with the Crosstown or the Skyline Chile Crosstown Shootout. Well,

2236
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:39,720
Speaker 3: last night both teams victorious Xavier and Cincinnati, and their

2237
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:44,560
Speaker 3: final tune ups ahead of the shootout. Cincinnati won seventy

2238
01:58:44,600 --> 01:58:48,360
Speaker 3: eight to fifty six over Tarleton State. Xavier won ninety

2239
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:52,640
Speaker 3: six seventy four over Saint Francis. Here is Xavier head

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01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:56,560
Speaker 3: coach Richard Patino following his team's win.

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01:58:56,680 --> 01:58:58,880
Speaker 26: Well, certainly did some good things, did some bad things

2242
01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:02,160
Speaker 26: as well. We're up twenty seven with five point thirty

2243
01:59:02,200 --> 01:59:04,840
Speaker 26: to go, and you know, let them cut that lead

2244
01:59:04,880 --> 01:59:08,160
Speaker 26: to twenty two. That was frustrating, but second half was

2245
01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:13,320
Speaker 26: certainly good. We continue to not to turn the ball over,

2246
01:59:13,400 --> 01:59:17,720
Speaker 26: which has been terrific. You know, twenty three assists, eight turnovers,

2247
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:21,600
Speaker 26: really good. Roddy provided a phenomenal spark off the bench,

2248
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:24,120
Speaker 26: So it was a great win. You know, we got

2249
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:27,080
Speaker 26: to learn some things, get a little bit tougher on

2250
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:31,320
Speaker 26: the ball defensively, but we're doing some good things and

2251
01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:33,080
Speaker 26: now we certainly got to get back.

2252
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:39,080
Speaker 3: To work tomorrow. Richard Patino in that victorious press conference

2253
01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:42,560
Speaker 3: last night, he was pretty reserved, just thirty seconds or

2254
01:59:42,600 --> 01:59:45,760
Speaker 3: so of an opening statement. Not quite as reserved was

2255
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:49,480
Speaker 3: Wes Miller following his team's win over Tarleton State. Here's

2256
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:50,520
Speaker 3: the Bearcats head coach.

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01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:54,440
Speaker 27: First off, We've been really trying to work on some

2258
01:59:54,480 --> 01:59:57,560
Speaker 27: things offensively the last couple of days, and I could

2259
01:59:57,560 --> 02:00:00,240
Speaker 27: see some of those things take in shape. I thought

2260
02:00:00,280 --> 02:00:02,320
Speaker 27: we did a good job with our movement. You could

2261
02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:05,920
Speaker 27: see the movement early. I thought we got the ball

2262
02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:09,240
Speaker 27: to the inside with the dribble and with the pass early.

2263
02:00:09,880 --> 02:00:12,040
Speaker 27: And I thought we generated really good shots early in

2264
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:15,480
Speaker 27: the first half. We didn't sustain it, but you could

2265
02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:17,840
Speaker 27: see some of the stuff that we were doing in

2266
02:00:17,880 --> 02:00:20,880
Speaker 27: the last couple of days of practice taking shape offensively.

2267
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:25,000
Speaker 27: I thought that the turnovers were careless. Now, Bob I

2268
02:00:25,080 --> 02:00:27,640
Speaker 27: had seven of them in the first half, and you know,

2269
02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:29,920
Speaker 27: he hadn't played basketball for eight days or whatever the

2270
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:33,040
Speaker 27: heck it's been, so you know, I know I said

2271
02:00:33,080 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 27: this on the radio, but I'll say it now. I mean,

2272
02:00:36,680 --> 02:00:39,240
Speaker 27: he ain't one hundred percent and he got hit. He

2273
02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:43,840
Speaker 27: got hit, in my opinion, not a real good play

2274
02:00:44,160 --> 02:00:45,680
Speaker 27: that he got hit on in the Louisville game. That

2275
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:48,600
Speaker 27: took him out, and he ain't one hundred percent, and

2276
02:00:48,640 --> 02:00:50,320
Speaker 27: he sucked it up and played, And that, to me

2277
02:00:50,440 --> 02:00:53,280
Speaker 27: is more important than seven turnovers. That, to me, is

2278
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:56,680
Speaker 27: what Cincinnati basketball's about. Everybody told him to sit out

2279
02:00:56,720 --> 02:00:58,440
Speaker 27: for another week or so. He didn't want to sit out.

2280
02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:01,400
Speaker 27: He wanted to play. Nobody made him play, nobody told

2281
02:01:01,480 --> 02:01:02,720
Speaker 27: him to play. He said, I will play with my

2282
02:01:02,840 --> 02:01:07,240
Speaker 27: teammates and help Cincinnati. So yeah, he had seven turnovers,

2283
02:01:07,240 --> 02:01:08,920
Speaker 27: but I'll take the guy that wants to fight through

2284
02:01:08,920 --> 02:01:10,760
Speaker 27: it when they're not one hundred percent all day, every day.

2285
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:14,720
Speaker 27: So I was pleased with that. But the turnovers not

2286
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:18,040
Speaker 27: just his, but we're careless. Three times we're jumping out

2287
02:01:18,040 --> 02:01:19,960
Speaker 27: of bounds or falling out of bounds throwing the ball

2288
02:01:19,960 --> 02:01:22,800
Speaker 27: to the other team. We made nice defensive plays. That

2289
02:01:22,920 --> 02:01:25,240
Speaker 27: was frustrating, so we got some things we got to

2290
02:01:25,240 --> 02:01:26,880
Speaker 27: clean up again.

2291
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:27,560
Speaker 3: In the second half.

2292
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:28,960
Speaker 27: I thought we did a better job of getting the

2293
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:32,160
Speaker 27: ball inside in the post, and I don't like moves

2294
02:01:32,200 --> 02:01:34,520
Speaker 27: line in a game like that where he has such

2295
02:01:34,520 --> 02:01:36,680
Speaker 27: a size advantage, we have to take advantage of that more.

2296
02:01:36,720 --> 02:01:39,360
Speaker 27: And he had a couple of silly fouls and some

2297
02:01:39,400 --> 02:01:41,720
Speaker 27: things not go his way. But I did think we

2298
02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:43,400
Speaker 27: got it inside there. I liked that we run the

2299
02:01:43,400 --> 02:01:46,040
Speaker 27: rebounding war again. The turnovers were frustrated, and some of

2300
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:49,560
Speaker 27: the defensive airs were frustrating, but there was some really

2301
02:01:49,600 --> 02:01:50,880
Speaker 27: good defensive possessions too.

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02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:55,400
Speaker 3: That is you see head coach Wes Miller after the

2303
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:59,160
Speaker 3: win over Tarleton State. The Crosstown shoot Out. The Skyline

2304
02:01:59,200 --> 02:02:04,760
Speaker 3: Chile Crosstown Shootout is Friday at seven thirty pm. You

2305
02:02:04,840 --> 02:02:07,320
Speaker 3: will be able to hear it right here on all

2306
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:10,960
Speaker 3: of our networks in iHeartMedia Cincinnati, both the Xavier broadcast

2307
02:02:11,480 --> 02:02:16,400
Speaker 3: and the Cincinnati broadcast. Good Night of College Basketball coming

2308
02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:21,560
Speaker 3: up tonight mentioned earlier. Number eighteen Kentucky hosting number sixteen

2309
02:02:21,640 --> 02:02:26,400
Speaker 3: North Carolina in the acc SEC Men's Challenge, a game

2310
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:29,160
Speaker 3: being played obviously at Rupp Arena. You'll hear it right

2311
02:02:29,160 --> 02:02:33,200
Speaker 3: here on ESPN fifteen thirty. The Wildcats six and a

2312
02:02:33,200 --> 02:02:37,560
Speaker 3: half point favorites in that game over North Carolina. Before

2313
02:02:37,600 --> 02:02:41,200
Speaker 3: them in the acc SEC Men's Challenge is number four

2314
02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:46,120
Speaker 3: Duke hosting number fifteen Florida at Cameron Indoors Stadium. That's

2315
02:02:46,160 --> 02:02:49,440
Speaker 3: a seven thirty pm tip off and Duke favored by

2316
02:02:49,480 --> 02:02:52,200
Speaker 3: eight and a half in that game. There's also a

2317
02:02:52,240 --> 02:02:56,280
Speaker 3: top twenty five matchup between Yukon and Kansas, Number five

2318
02:02:56,400 --> 02:02:59,760
Speaker 3: Yukon at number twenty one Kansas, Connecticut one and a

2319
02:02:59,800 --> 02:03:02,640
Speaker 3: half half point favorites on the road at Allen Field

2320
02:03:02,640 --> 02:03:05,960
Speaker 3: Hall at Fieldhouse. The number one team in the country, Perdue,

2321
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:08,960
Speaker 3: is in action. They are at Rutgers, Number twenty four.

2322
02:03:09,120 --> 02:03:14,879
Speaker 3: Usc is at Oregon, number thirteen Tennessee at Syracuse Iowa

2323
02:03:15,080 --> 02:03:18,880
Speaker 3: is at number seven. Michigan State as well. Those are

2324
02:03:18,960 --> 02:03:22,560
Speaker 3: your top twenty five matchups in college basketball tonight in

2325
02:03:22,720 --> 02:03:27,360
Speaker 3: KU back in action tomorrow night in the beginning of

2326
02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:30,960
Speaker 3: Horizon League play for the Norse KU, by the way,

2327
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:34,000
Speaker 3: first place in the Horizon League right now. They get

2328
02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:38,880
Speaker 3: started tomorrow night at Truest Arena with Cleveland State coming

2329
02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:42,320
Speaker 3: to town. NKU six and two on the season, tied

2330
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:46,800
Speaker 3: for first in the Horizon League with Cleveland State coming

2331
02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:52,560
Speaker 3: to town tomorrow seven pm in Highland Heights. So if

2332
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:54,600
Speaker 3: you're not watching that, you know what else comes back

2333
02:03:54,640 --> 02:03:57,960
Speaker 3: on tonight For the first time in a long time.

2334
02:03:58,200 --> 02:04:01,600
Speaker 3: It's been way too as far as I'm concerned. Let's

2335
02:04:01,600 --> 02:04:03,800
Speaker 3: see if I have the music here ready to go.

2336
02:04:05,400 --> 02:04:10,360
Speaker 3: That's right. Hard Knocks in season comes back on tonight

2337
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:12,640
Speaker 3: as well. You remember this was a big deal last

2338
02:04:12,720 --> 02:04:15,080
Speaker 3: year when the Bengals were on it. It was the

2339
02:04:15,120 --> 02:04:19,640
Speaker 3: AFC North. This year it's the NFC East. He might

2340
02:04:19,640 --> 02:04:22,920
Speaker 3: be thinking, oh gosh, the Eagles and Cowboys. I don't

2341
02:04:22,920 --> 02:04:26,200
Speaker 3: know that there's been a division in football with more

2342
02:04:26,280 --> 02:04:31,560
Speaker 3: drama or more compelling storylines than the NFC East. Obviously,

2343
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:34,440
Speaker 3: think about the Giants. You got Jackson Dart and Camp

2344
02:04:34,520 --> 02:04:37,800
Speaker 3: Scataboo and Russell Wilson and Brian Daball gets fired and

2345
02:04:37,800 --> 02:04:40,160
Speaker 3: he's going into the blue medical tent. You've got the

2346
02:04:40,200 --> 02:04:44,080
Speaker 3: Eagles and their nonsense with their offense and Kevin Petulo's house,

2347
02:04:44,120 --> 02:04:46,400
Speaker 3: their offensive coordinator was just egged the other night by

2348
02:04:46,440 --> 02:04:50,520
Speaker 3: Eagles fans. The AJ brown saga going on. You've got

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Speaker 3: Washington who had these major high expectations but haven't been

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Speaker 3: able to get off the ground. Jaden Daniels playing in

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Speaker 3: a game when he shouldn't have and got injured. Terry

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Speaker 3: mclaurin's injury all season long. They're also trying to get

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Speaker 3: a stadium built in DC. And then the Cowboys are

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Speaker 3: a soap opera every day. They obviously have the tragedy

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Speaker 3: of Marshawn Neeland passing away earlier this year, the trade

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Speaker 3: deadline and going after Quinn Williams and Logan Wilson and

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Speaker 3: all the different stuff that happened. I'm very excited to

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Speaker 3: check out Hard Knocks tonight in the NFC East and

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Speaker 3: for that season as well. We'll take a break, we'll

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Speaker 3: come back when we do. We'll talk to Moegar. He's

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Speaker 3: at Oakley Greens. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 26: Dewear it's time for Sincy three sixty quick hits on

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Speaker 26: ESBN fifteenth.

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Speaker 8: There looking for more.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, it is time for quick hits. And this

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Speaker 3: is typically when we are joined by our friend Moegger. Mo,

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Speaker 3: of course on Tuesdays, does his show live from Oakley Greens.

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Speaker 3: And if I'm not mistaken, I believe we have Mo. Now,

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Speaker 3: Moe are you there?

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Speaker 19: Mo?

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Speaker 3: Not quite ready to go? That's all right? And uh,

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Speaker 3: Moe's show coming up this afternoon. I'm starting to see

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Speaker 3: levels now I don't know if Moe's there. Moe are

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Speaker 3: you there?

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Speaker 12: Now?

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Speaker 3: I am very much here? Hi man, how are you?

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Speaker 11: I'm good man? How about yourself?

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Speaker 3: I'm wonderful the beauties of live radio when you produce

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Speaker 3: your own show. Uh, you got a show coming up

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Speaker 3: this afternoon. What's going to be on it?

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Speaker 11: We're at Oakley Greens. Yes, we're at Oakley Greens. It's exciting.

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Speaker 11: It's warm in here. By the way, come to Oakley

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Speaker 11: Greens because the roads are fine. The roads are some

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Speaker 11: of the drivers aren't. The roads completely and totally fine.

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Speaker 11: So we're here at Oakley Greens. Paul Danner Junior is

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Speaker 11: gonna join us. I like that the Bengals. The Bengals

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Speaker 11: are back. I'm hearing some are saying the Bengals are back.

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Speaker 11: Paul has a couple of good pieces that we're gonna

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Speaker 11: talk about. He wrote about Joe Burrow in the aftermath

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Speaker 11: of the game on Thursday night. He also wrote about

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Speaker 11: the continued weirdness of the Trey Hendrickson situation, which we're

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Speaker 11: going to spend some time on. There's lots of different

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Speaker 11: Bengals issues to discuss with our guy, Paul Danner junr.

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Speaker 11: Sean sayed, stats and scheme news. Our guy who kind

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Speaker 11: of dives into x's and o's with us, is going

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Speaker 11: to talk about the improved Bengals defense. We'll get to

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Speaker 11: the Bills as well, since the Bengals play them. Jeff

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Speaker 11: Pikoro will be on the show. Kentucky is a new

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Speaker 11: football coach. Pick is going to join us to talk

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Speaker 11: about him. I got a few things we're gonna do,

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Speaker 11: an early take on the Skyline Chile Crosstown shootout. We

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Speaker 11: have multiple uc football truths, and I am looking for

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Speaker 11: the non financial reason why the Red should not sign

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Speaker 11: Kyle Schwarber, and I will compare Kyle Schwarber to a

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Speaker 11: ticket I bought to a game not that long ago.

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Speaker 3: My biggest You were talking about drivers in the roads

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Speaker 3: and everything. Do you think Cincinnati has good drivers? I

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Speaker 3: think drivers are the same everywhere. I disagree with that.

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Speaker 3: I think since I has excellent drivers.

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Speaker 11: I'm a good driver.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, you know, I mean I was in

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Speaker 3: Columbus the other weekend. It was miserable, awful.

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Speaker 7: Really.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: See, you drive enough, you find bad drivers. But like,

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Speaker 11: this is what annoys me. We get a modern amount

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Speaker 11: of snow, right, Usually it's like we get like two

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Speaker 11: big snow days and that's it. I don't know if

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Speaker 11: today qualifies, but every time you do, you're gonna hear

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Speaker 11: from somebody who's like from upstate New York, like, god, yeah,

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Speaker 11: you folks don't know how to drive in the snow.

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Speaker 11: And invariably I'll go to like Syracuse dot com and

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Speaker 11: they will be on the front page twenty five car

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Speaker 11: pile up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Well, clearly you guys in the snow don't know how

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Speaker 11: to drive either. So I think that's one of the

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Speaker 11: most overrated tropes. People here don't know how to drive

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Speaker 11: in the snow. Now, if we were in Bloxy, Mississippi

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Speaker 11: and suddenly it snowed right in this place where they

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Speaker 11: never get snow, I'm guessing people would have no idea

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Speaker 11: what they're doing behind the wheel. I think as a

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Speaker 11: general rule, we have good drivers. I will tell you

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Speaker 11: this though, that in this era of like everybody shooting

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Speaker 11: each other, the one thing that I hate that has

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Speaker 11: gone away is like a real good give someone the

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Speaker 11: bird on the interstate who drives poorly. That used to

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Speaker 11: be a great amount of satisfaction that one would get

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Speaker 11: when someone committed a highway faux pas, and you would

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Speaker 11: just let him know how you felt by just sticking

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Speaker 11: them the gun, sticking them the bird. Right, I've been

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Speaker 11: on the receiver. Now you don't know right now you

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Speaker 11: have you have no idea. You throw someone in the bird,

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Speaker 11: they may pull out a clock. That is among the

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Speaker 11: many things I don't like about this era where our

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Speaker 11: national pastime is shooting everybody.

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Speaker 3: You're not you can't really throw someone you double barrel.

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Speaker 3: You can't do it anymore. And I got scared. I

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Speaker 3: was like, I probably shouldn't have done that, even though

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Speaker 3: I laid on the horn. But yeah, no, it's you're

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Speaker 3: exactly right. Well, can I tell you something that happened

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Speaker 3: to me at this station? So this was just over

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Speaker 3: the weekend. Is it the Kroger on Harrison? Sure?

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Speaker 11: Because I use my Kroger points to get cheaper, cheaper.

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Speaker 3: Gas, smart people do.

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Speaker 11: And I'm filling my tank and as I do, I'm

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Speaker 11: cleaning some stuff out of my car, this woman pulls up.

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Speaker 11: The first thing that happens is she nearly hits me

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Speaker 11: more my sort of negligence than hers. She pulls up

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Speaker 11: at the pump right in front of me, and I

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Speaker 11: just noticed like she never gets out of the car,

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Speaker 11: Like she pulls up to the pump and never gets

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Speaker 11: out of the car. Now, I remember what it was

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Speaker 11: like back in the day. My dad would drive you

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Speaker 11: pull up, guy would walk to the window. Can I

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Speaker 11: fill your tank? Can I clean your windshield? That sort

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Speaker 11: of We don't do that anymore. This woman just pulls

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Speaker 11: up and so I was kind of finishing up my

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Speaker 11: gas all that sort of stuff, and I like pull

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Speaker 11: up like next to her to pull out of the

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Speaker 11: gas station, and I see she has her window rolled

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Speaker 11: down in an obvious attempt to communicate with somebody, and

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Speaker 11: I thought, because she nearly hit me, she wanted to

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Speaker 11: say something to me. So I rolled down my passenger

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Speaker 11: window and I go, hey, everything all right, and she's like, yes,

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Speaker 11: I was hoping there would be a gentleman here who

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Speaker 11: would pump my gas for.

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Speaker 2: Me, did you?

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Speaker 11: Yes, nice woman. We're not talking about like a ninety

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Speaker 11: two year old lady. Woman was probably a little bit

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Speaker 11: older than me. I really appreciated that, right. She thought

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Speaker 11: chivalry was not dead, and you proved it well, clinging

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02:11:02,720 --> 02:11:05,520
Speaker 11: to this like age when like men probably did that

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Speaker 11: for women. And I'm like, yeah, man, I'll do that

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Speaker 11: for you, no problem. Got out pumped the gas kind

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02:11:10,320 --> 02:11:12,280
Speaker 11: of thought she tipped me or something that didn't happen

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Speaker 11: that happened on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you've got some good karma out there that

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Speaker 3: hopefully will come back your way. Thanks, no problem. Moegar

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Speaker 3: is next for the Moegger Radio Show at Oakley Greens.

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Speaker 3: Thanks mo. He's a I love what he tells a

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Speaker 3: story and I have no idea where it's going. It's

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Speaker 3: my absolute favorite. Tony is back tomorrow high noon for

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Speaker 3: Tony Pikes since e three sixty. Thanks so much for listening.

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Speaker 3: Moeggar is next on the home of the Bengals, Cincinnati's

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty