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Speaker 1: It's seven six here fifty about Kerosene Detalk Station. I'm

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Speaker 1: very happy Tuesday to segue into Thanksgiving, the last day

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Speaker 1: of the week, and happy to have, as always, any

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Speaker 1: day of the week's great day to have Congressman Warren Davidson,

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Speaker 1: proudly representing the eighth District Heneral, Ohio, back on the program.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Davidson, welcome back in and advance early Thanksgiving. Happy

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving to you and your family.

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Speaker 2: Happy Thanksgiving to you as well, Brian. And what an

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Speaker 2: eventful few days. I mean, I just spoke with you

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Speaker 2: last Thursday, but there's been a lot going on.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, it's really a question of where do we begin.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You enlisted in the Army third Infantry. You then went

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Speaker 1: to West Point, You then went to Ranger School. You

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Speaker 1: first Airborne Division. You know about the Military Code of Justice,

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Speaker 1: what's legal and what is illegal? Or do you here's

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Speaker 1: a question. We had this video that was issued by

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Speaker 1: the Democrats, and I hope you don't mind me using

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Speaker 1: this as the first topic to talk about, but I

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Speaker 1: figure giving your proud military experience, you might be able

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Speaker 1: to chime in on it. The Democrats, I think six

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Speaker 1: of them, sent a video out which included a statement quote,

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Speaker 1: right now, the threats to our constitution aren't just coming

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Speaker 1: from abroad, but from right here at home. Our laws

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Speaker 1: are clear. You military personnel can refuse illegal orders. You

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Speaker 1: can refuse illegal orders. They said it twice. You must

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Speaker 1: refuse illegal orders three times. What is an illegal order,

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Speaker 1: Congressman Davidson, in the context of let's say, bombing Venezuela

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Speaker 1: in boats, in ships, in international waters or elsewhere. That's

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Speaker 1: one of the things I believe they were commenting on.

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Speaker 1: Is a service member to know and do you or

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Speaker 1: I even know if it's unlawful or lawful to blow

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Speaker 1: Don't you need legal opinion or some sort of ruling

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Speaker 1: from the Supreme Court because this is kind of outside

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Speaker 1: of the realm of the Constitution, which says you have

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Speaker 2: Davidson, Well, there's a lot there, Brian, you know fundamentally, Uh, look,

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Speaker 2: these guys were trying to sew discord and division within

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Speaker 2: our military and frankly within our country. They thought it

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Speaker 2: actually more malicious than that, and it was frankly designed

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Speaker 2: as an early stage of what you know is a

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Speaker 2: known as a color revolution. This is how you do

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Speaker 2: regime change operations. And a lot of these people know

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Speaker 2: that well, I mean some of them former CIA backgrounds

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Speaker 2: that you know, this is a doctrinal thing. And if

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Speaker 2: you if you define domestic enemies to the Constitution and

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Speaker 2: then you use a battle cry don't give up the ship. Uh, well,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of implied things there, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I think they're getting the scrutiny they've deserved for this.

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Speaker 2: Does it Does it amount to treason? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Does an amount to sedition? I'm not sure what it

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Speaker 2: Sure does sound like it's more serious than the seditious

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Speaker 2: conspiracy charges that people were sentenced to long sentences in

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Speaker 2: seditious conspiracy? I don't know? Maybe? But is it really dumb?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely really dumb? And it was meant to divide our

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Speaker 2: country in our military and that it certainly has. So Look,

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Speaker 2: these aren't good people, I mean when you look at

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Speaker 2: their backgrounds. Yet, Okay, they served their country, and that's

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Speaker 2: what I always tell people. Hey, being a veteran's awesome.

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Speaker 2: You should serve your country if you can. It's one

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Speaker 2: of the best decisions I made in my life was

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Speaker 2: veteran does not inoculate you from being dumb, and we

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Speaker 2: just saw that with that video.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry for whatever reason, Bob McDonald's I went to

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Speaker 1: West Point comment just went through my mind when you

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Speaker 1: made that last day in the Congressman Davidson. Anyhow, so

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Speaker 1: I guess you know going back to does this constitute

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Speaker 1: seditious behavior?

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Speaker 2: You don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that requires a legal determination. Again, when

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Speaker 1: pressed on all the television programs of the talking heads,

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Speaker 1: couldn't cite a single illustration of an unlawful order that

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Speaker 2: Well thanks. Look, I always tell people, Look, when you

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Speaker 2: drill sergeant all the things you're not gonna do. It'll

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Speaker 2: really help you get clear on how it works.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome. Congress and Davidson. The other thing I

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Speaker 1: course coming from James Carville, you'd expect it to be bizarre.

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Speaker 1: He wants the Democrats to engage in what he called

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Speaker 1: pure economic rage. This is what they're going to run on.

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Speaker 1: He said, It's time for Democrats who embrace the sweeping, aggressive, unvarnished,

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Speaker 1: unapologetic and altogether unmistakable platform of pure economic rage. This

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Speaker 1: is our only way out of the abyss. He's of course,

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Speaker 1: focusing on inflation. I know Donald Trump campaigned on lowering inflation,

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Speaker 1: That's a very complicated thing to engage in. But I

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Speaker 1: guess economic rage. Is there anything the administration can do

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Speaker 1: to cope with inflation practically speaking? Because this clearly is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, rage bait is their whole program.

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Speaker 2: And you know they're they're even raging at this. Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know doctor a psychiatrist who says, look, people are

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Speaker 2: have Trump derangement syndrome. They're wrecking their own lives, the

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Speaker 2: relationships with friends and family because they obsess about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: And that is the Democrat platform is, you know, get Trump,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's going to be their focus. And look,

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Speaker 2: they'll use that. If there's anything else that they can

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Speaker 2: grab onto, they'll use that. But it is one hundred

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Speaker 2: is the economy strong. I mean, here's the challenge about

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Speaker 2: it is healthy on one end, and the end that

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Speaker 2: it's healthy on is people that already have assets. You

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Speaker 2: You know, things are you know, relatively good there, but

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Speaker 2: the rate of increases drop. That's where inflation is lower,

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Speaker 2: but the price level is still very high, and wages

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Speaker 2: have it kept up with that. And frankly, the solution

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Speaker 2: a lot of my colleagues offer is, well, if you care,

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Speaker 2: then you give subsidies. More government is always the answer,

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Speaker 2: and we're suffering from a fatal overdose of government. I mean,

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Speaker 2: what causes inflation. It's massively more spending going into the economy, Yes,

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Speaker 2: and the things that you subsidize get inflated faster than

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Speaker 2: the rest of the economy. So yeah, fair point. If

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Speaker 2: you get the subsidy, it is lower for you, but

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Speaker 2: it turns into this endless spiral of well, then we'll

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Speaker 2: have to increase the subsidies. And that's exactly what's going

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Speaker 2: on with Obamacare.

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Speaker 1: Well, indeed, I'm glad you pivoted over to Obamacare. It's

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Speaker 1: what kept the government shut downs along the extension of

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Speaker 1: these subsidies for people who probably could afford a premium,

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Speaker 1: but oh, low and behold, maybe not. With the massive

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Speaker 1: increase in Obamacare premiums because of the massive influx of

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Speaker 1: has just driven the costs into just impossible to manage amounts.

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Speaker 1: That's the problem in the failure with Obamacare right there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean fundamentally it was designed to work

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Speaker 2: that way. I mean Republicans said it was, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Democrats have been united behind well, Obamacare is their checkdown policy.

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Speaker 2: What they really want is Medicare for all, Medicare. So

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Speaker 2: this is delivery the delivery vehicle for it. Because the

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Speaker 2: government just keeps eating a larger and larger portion of

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Speaker 2: the spend and healthcare. I mean, when the Great Society

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Speaker 2: government for more things, healthcare was about six percent of

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Speaker 2: the economy is healthcare. And of that huge percentages of government,

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Speaker 2: the single largest expense for the federal government is healthcare.

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Speaker 2: So and the rate of growth is just eating the

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Speaker 2: health insurance companies, right, I mean, you can send it

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Speaker 2: to the doctors and hospitals. They're the ones that are

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Speaker 2: So you could straight pipe it to the doctors and hospitals,

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Speaker 2: or you could send it to the consumer that's actually

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Speaker 2: getting treated. But you send it to this middleman, and

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Speaker 2: the middleman's still giving you double digit increases. They're still saying, well,

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Speaker 2: this is out a network. There's still denying claims, and

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Speaker 2: there's still just terrible service overall. So you go deal

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Speaker 2: with the doctors and nurses and you feel like, how

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Speaker 2: these people really care. They're doing great stuff. You look

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Speaker 2: at the things. Obamacare is by design, in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: always say, well, where's the Republican plan. They've been varied.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've got dozens of proposals that are out there.

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Speaker 2: I've got several myself. I've always wanted a healthcare committee

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Speaker 2: least get the debate. I hope between now and Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Let us debate further with Congressman Davidson. Congressman Davidson will

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Speaker 1: do it. Congressman's choice on the next topic. I know

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of things you want to talk about

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Speaker 1: five krc AN iHeartRadio Station seven twenty here if you've

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Speaker 1: got KRCV talk station, Happy Tuesday. Congressman Warren Davidson on

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Speaker 1: the program. I know there's a million things we could

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Speaker 1: talk about, Congressman Davidson kind of what's uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: what's what's on your mind of what you might want

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Speaker 1: to bring to my listeners and my attention.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, thanks, Brian. I think one of the biggest

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Speaker 2: things is what is Congress doing? I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: you'd go to Congress and you're sitting here looking at

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Speaker 2: President Trump getting executive orders, all kinds of executive actions,

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Speaker 2: Trump's executive orders? And you know, some of that frustration

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Speaker 2: was voiced by Marjorie Taylor Green with her resignation, and

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of my colleagues feel that sense

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Speaker 2: And I remember when I was first in Congress back

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Speaker 2: Paul Ryan was speaker, and I had this little booklet

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Speaker 2: Here's the things we're gonna do. And people say, well,

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Speaker 2: why aren't you doing xyz? And I go, well, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, but there's a place he hears the bullet

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of things where it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: of it's the administration, some of the things that they

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Speaker 2: It's a preemptive strike to take out drug boats in

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Speaker 2: the Caribbean. Seems like you say, hey, you should get authorization. Great,

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Speaker 2: let's just do the authorization. I'm for it. These guys

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Speaker 2: To me, it's a preemptive strike. They plan it on

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Speaker 2: And you know, do I feel that way about every

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Speaker 2: kind of drug that's going on. No, but these cartels

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Speaker 2: codify it. A lot of times they don't want to

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Speaker 2: some cases, we've passed bills in the House and they're

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Speaker 2: Senate with the shutdown. But if you break the filibuster,

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Speaker 2: now you can't use that excuse anymore. You've got to vote.

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Speaker 2: And honestly, some of the Senators don't want to vote.

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Speaker 1: Hiding behind the filibusters so they don't have to go

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that definitely happens. And of course anyone

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Speaker 2: signed this discharge petition, Like I'm willing to work with

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Speaker 2: the Committee of Jurisdiction here on the Oversight Committee they've

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Speaker 2: It doesn't help to say that it's a hoax and nothing,

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Speaker 2: when on the one hand, everybody was going to go

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Speaker 2: where's the explanation for that? That hearing should have happened.

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Speaker 2: It was supposed to during the shutdown, and I think

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Speaker 2: to do? You know about it? Because we had the hearings,

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Speaker 2: We've made this stuff public. But the prosecutor is the

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Speaker 2: told Jim Jordan, the Chairman of Judiciary, this would be

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Speaker 2: Merrick Garland, who was attorney general for Joe Biden. No

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Speaker 2: I would bring every one of those attorneys general. So

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Speaker 2: this is a scandal that's been going on in the

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Speaker 2: Why was there never a case braun And have every

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, no matter what comes

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Speaker 2: when somebody going to jail, and that's the job of

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Speaker 2: So they need to be bringing cases, evidence presented at trial,

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Speaker 2: the frustrations there is. Congress did expose it, but what

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Speaker 2: end of the day, we could change the funding. We

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Speaker 2: we could do some things. I don't want to say

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Speaker 2: we're powerless here, but you know it's in action in

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Speaker 1: Well and just lying in the sand division between the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that's where you've got to have

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Speaker 2: we should. We should have the votes on all the

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Speaker 2: Appropriations Committee. We need slow time and have the debate,

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Speaker 2: we can pass them on a simple party line vote.

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Speaker 2: Then other question is are we going to get the

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Speaker 2: so what are we going.

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Speaker 1: To do about it?

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Speaker 2: And then you could break the filibuster in the Senate.

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Speaker 2: We can't do anything about that in the House. But

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Speaker 2: that's where reconciliation comes in. So normally you're not supposed

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Speaker 2: known as mandatory spending. And that's not priority. That's a term.

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Speaker 2: So like if you give it x dollars to run

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Speaker 2: that's a specific dollar amount. We don't set a specific

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Speaker 2: that if you qualify, then we spend the money. So

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Speaker 2: that's mandatory. So the mandatory spending site has normally dealt

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Speaker 2: pass across the floor of the House and Senate deem

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Speaker 2: Say look, just run the government and that would be

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Speaker 2: a true power play because it would be party line,

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Speaker 2: and I think we should be ready to run that

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Speaker 2: they don't have to negotiate again. It's like, well, they

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Speaker 2: the CR was the negotiation. We can't settle for a

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Speaker 1: Wash rinse repeat. Congressman Warren Davidson, God Bless you, sir

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Speaker 1: for spending time my listeners and me. I certainly appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I know my listeners enjoy hearing from you. Obviously a

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Speaker 1: man of logic, common sense, and reason, and we wish

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Speaker 1: there were more people like you intellected capacity. I'll look

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Speaker 1: forward to having you back on the program real soon,

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Speaker 1: Congressman Davidson. And again, very happy Thanksgiving for my listeners

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Speaker 1: and my family to yours.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Brian, It's always an honor. God

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Speaker 2: bless you all your listeners, and happy Thanksgiving to everyone.

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