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Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand, Thy.

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Speaker 2: Friends, Chris Merrill, can I am six forty more stimulating talk?

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Speaker 2: I did. Look, I know what you're thinking. Oh, new Year,

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Speaker 2: knew us, knew everything, knew everything. And yet it feels

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Speaker 2: an awful lot, like we're going back to some of

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Speaker 2: the old ways, like foreign interventionalism. But let's face it,

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Speaker 2: Venezuela was ruled by an authoritarian dictator. He was I think,

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Speaker 2: in the words of great philosopher giant pooplog, Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: so we said, enough is enough. We gotta get this

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Speaker 2: guy out. And I think it is the worst kept

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Speaker 2: secret in Washington because if you'll recall, and of course

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Speaker 2: you will, because you're a very smart person, if you'll recall,

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Speaker 2: we discussed this numerous times when we were uh, we

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Speaker 2: were going after drug boats, and we were, oh, we

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Speaker 2: gotta up the drug boats, gonna stop the drug boats.

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Speaker 2: This isn't about drug boats. Isn't it about oil tankers.

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Speaker 2: This is about Maduro, this is this is all about

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Speaker 2: regime change in Venezuela. He said, he's kind of obvious

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Speaker 2: what's going on right now. We're we're inching our way

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Speaker 2: toward doing exactly that not a big surprise to anybody,

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Speaker 2: comes as a surprise to exactly no one. And so

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Speaker 2: off we go, and so we have this this late

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Speaker 2: night raid or early morning raid, I guess, and we

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Speaker 2: pulled the guy out to pose the leader, arrested him,

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Speaker 2: pulled him out and his I guess he wasn't wearing pajamas,

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Speaker 2: but I'd like to think he was. I'd like to

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Speaker 2: think that he was at home sleep, maybe some snoopy

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Speaker 2: pajamas going on. That's what I have in my mind,

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Speaker 2: That's what I think it was. And so we grabbed

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Speaker 2: the guy and his wife, which was nice. You hate

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Speaker 2: to be a family record. So we brought him both

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Speaker 2: here to the United States and they're gonna face trial

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Speaker 2: for narco terrorism and being a giant. And again back

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Speaker 2: to the philosophical term, booplog and the people of Venezuela

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Speaker 2: rejoice generally speaking. I mean, look, if you were someone

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Speaker 2: who was profiting from Maduro, he was kind of a downer. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was like ah parties over. But for an awful

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Speaker 2: lot of people it was a very good thing. We

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Speaker 2: had reaction here locally. Katla was covering it as well.

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Speaker 3: Yessika Baker moved to the US twenty five years ago

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Speaker 3: from Venezuela and hasn't been back since. She's the owner

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Speaker 3: of Chamo Venezuelan Cuisine in Pasadena. She says the toppling

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Speaker 3: of President Nicholas Maduro's government brings her hope of reuniting

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Speaker 3: with loved ones after years apart.

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Speaker 4: And we don't know what is going to happiness, but Alice,

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Speaker 4: this is the first step and we are so happy.

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Speaker 4: We're waiting for this moment over thirty years.

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Speaker 2: And then the protests.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, many in downtown La braved the

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Speaker 3: rain to denounce the Trump administration, saying he's misused our

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Speaker 3: armed forces and could be starting an unwonted.

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Speaker 2: War real quick, braved the rain. I always love that

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Speaker 2: turn of phrase because it's it almost feels sarcastic every

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Speaker 2: time they say it. Right, it's like when somebody says

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Speaker 2: that they're from the mean streets of Connecticut. Right, It's

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Speaker 2: like they braved the rain. Oh, the courage it must

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Speaker 2: have taken to stand outside. Is there was moisture falling

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Speaker 2: down on their little heads. What troopers they are? All right?

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Speaker 2: Anyway back to World War Three. What they do is

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Speaker 2: they bomb they braved the rain for World War three.

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Speaker 2: Little soldiers, little brave soldiers. What they do is they

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Speaker 2: bomb first and ask questions later.

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Speaker 5: They don't keep any evidence, because that's what a good

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Speaker 5: criminal does, right, They hide the evidence.

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Speaker 3: President Trump now promising to run Venezuela and take control

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Speaker 3: of its massive oil reserves.

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Speaker 2: Also, have you noticed that when people say the name

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Speaker 2: of the country right, it sounds sexy as hell? It does.

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Speaker 2: Listen again, listen to how I say it, Venezuela. Listen

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Speaker 2: how she says it.

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Speaker 3: President Trump now promising to run Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: And take come on, Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: Venezuela, Venezuela, Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: That's sexy as hell, and take control of.

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Speaker 3: Its massive oil reserves.

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Speaker 6: California Congress, Nah, that's key.

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Speaker 2: I know you were distracted because she sounded sexy as

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Speaker 2: hell with the whole Venezuela thing. I get it, But

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Speaker 2: it's key what she says here.

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Speaker 3: In Venezuela and take control of its massive oil reserves.

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Speaker 2: Take control of its massive oil reserves. Indeed, regime change

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Speaker 2: seems a lot easier to do when there's massive oil

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Speaker 2: reserves that you can take control of.

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Speaker 3: California Congressman Brad Sherman says he can't do that without approval.

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Speaker 2: But if you're putting the American military boots on the

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Speaker 2: ground by the thousands to occupy a country ian hostilities,

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Speaker 2: you had better involve Congress. And I'm not so sure

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Speaker 2: it's a good idea. So if we take a look

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Speaker 2: back in history, interventionalist activities in South America have always

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Speaker 2: turned out really well for us. It always it always

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Speaker 2: stabilizes a region, it always makes them a very safe place,

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Speaker 2: and America always wins in the end, certainly doesn't doesn't

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Speaker 2: fall into the hands of the wrong people, which President Trump,

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Speaker 2: to his credit, said, Look, we're going to run the

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Speaker 2: place until we can find somebody that we approve of,

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Speaker 2: which practically speaking makes a lot of sense. Politically speaking,

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Speaker 2: Doesn't that feel an awful lot like Obama? Doesn't that

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Speaker 2: feel like an awful lot like all the stuff that

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Speaker 2: MAGA hated about President Obama and the Arab Spring and

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Speaker 2: everything else that was going on. Doesn't that interventionalism seem

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Speaker 2: like America World police kind of stuff that so many

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Speaker 2: people spoke out against.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm not a neocon, but I don't hate this.

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Speaker 2: I don't hate this at all. I think that when

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Speaker 2: you have people who are being oppressed by an authoritative

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Speaker 2: cayla what was the philosopher you call him? Remember, authoritative,

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Speaker 2: addictive footlogh. When you have that situation, then I'm all

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Speaker 2: for helping the people. I'm all for liberating the people

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Speaker 2: the trouble I have. And this is not a criticism

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Speaker 2: of what went on in Venezulla Gonna Venezuela. This is

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Speaker 2: a criticism of our inconsistencies. If we take a look

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Speaker 2: at the oppression happening around the globe by authoritarian dictatorships,

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Speaker 2: we don't seem so concerned with the vast majority of them.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, it seems a whole lot easier for

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Speaker 2: us to liberate the people and help them out if

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Speaker 2: there are vast resources involved that we can take control of.

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Speaker 2: It does seem to be that our own monetary interests

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Speaker 2: supersede any sort of a and an idealistic notion that

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Speaker 2: we're going to allow people to decide the direction of

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Speaker 2: their own fate. So I think, generally speaking, great, now

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Speaker 2: we're going to protect Taiwan, Are we going to stand

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Speaker 2: up for Ukraine? I mean, we've watched an authoritarian dictator

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Speaker 2: a piece deal there that would just basically give Putin

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Speaker 2: what he wants if he promises not to keep invading things.

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Speaker 2: How'd that work out? After CRIMEA? Not very well? If

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Speaker 2: we see authoritarian dictatorships here, we see these we see

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Speaker 2: these madmen in Central Africa who are who are mutilating children.

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Speaker 2: something about it? If we're concerned about authoritarian dictators who

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Speaker 2: are crushing the people, isn't that where we intervene? And

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Speaker 2: then people go, oh, we don't want to be the

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Speaker 2: world police, but we do want to be the world police.

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Speaker 2: If they have vast resources available, then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: world policing is fine. Right. The reactions are as predictable

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Speaker 2: as the sunrise, because you've got people on both the

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Speaker 2: disagree with what the president did, those on the on

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Speaker 2: the left, excuse me, those on the right. If you

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Speaker 2: disagree with what the president did, oh, you support dictators,

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Speaker 2: you love Chairman Mao, you love Hitler, right, that's what

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Speaker 2: That's what I've seen this on the online today. If

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Speaker 2: you don't support what the president did in Venezuela and

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Speaker 2: and and taking down Maduro, then you love dictators. And

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Speaker 2: then I'm seeing people on the on the left, Oh,

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Speaker 2: you want to take down Maduro, but you don't want

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Speaker 2: to take care of Putin. You love dictators, You want

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Speaker 2: to take down Maduro, but you don't have any problem.

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Speaker 2: And you actually you actually praise North Korea Kim Jong Moon.

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Speaker 2: You love dictators, right, So now it's an argument over

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Speaker 2: who loves dictators the most. Can we just say we

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Speaker 2: don't like dictators? Is that is? That? Is it okay

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Speaker 2: that we just don't like dictators? And then if we're

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Speaker 2: gonna take action, let's let's let's take a look at

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Speaker 2: action that can help a lot of people. Or if

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Speaker 2: we're not gonna be the world police, maybe don't be

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Speaker 2: the world police. Just these are just I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It seems like common sense ideas to me, but what

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Speaker 2: do I know? Uh, you hear it. It's about the drugs, right,

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Speaker 2: It's about the drugs. That's about the fair elections, It's

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Speaker 2: about protecting the oppressed people. But it is weird how

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Speaker 2: the world is full of narco states. We have narco

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Speaker 2: states all over the place. Who's supplying the chemicals for fentanyl? China?

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Speaker 2: Authoritarian dictatorship not doing anything there are we The world

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Speaker 2: is full of narco states. The world is full of

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Speaker 2: corrupt elections, The world is full of dictators whose regimes

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Speaker 2: are abusing people on the regular, and yet we're not

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Speaker 2: invading those countries. Why the oil matters more than the

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Speaker 2: rest is next, Chris Merril.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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Speaker 2: Our conversation continued off the air here as we were

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Speaker 2: talking about what happened with Venezuela. And I think it's

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Speaker 2: not often that Cale and I agree on something, which

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Speaker 2: we're both We're both like, I don't hate the results

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Speaker 2: of having the dictator heard removed from from power in Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: The guy was not a good person, and I don't

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Speaker 2: think he was doing anything the best interest of the

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Speaker 2: I'm not crazy about US intervening in foreign affairs, and

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Speaker 2: especially when it seems very obvious that it's about not

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Speaker 2: the people, it's about the oil. In fact, President Trump

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Speaker 8: Questions, of course, rising now whether Trump did this because

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Speaker 8: of drugs or whether he did this because of oil

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Speaker 8: was the main reason that the President himself gave today.

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Speaker 8: And of course he has pardoned drug traffickers in the

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Speaker 8: past rather than continue to prosecute them while now having

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Speaker 8: Nicolaus Muduro in custody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is inconsistent with what we've seen

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Speaker 2: in the past, where he's he's he's letting other people

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Speaker 2: off the hook, giving them pardons, former South American presidents

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Speaker 2: that we're we're trafficking and convicted. Yeah, but they're really

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Speaker 2: great guys, they get pardons. Okay, So what is it

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Speaker 2: about Maduro that's different. Well, first of all, the President's

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Speaker 2: had kind of a personal vendetta about the guy. He's

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Speaker 2: long blamed Maduro for losing the twenty twenty election. He's

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Speaker 2: blamed a lot of things. That's one of them. He's

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Speaker 2: as well, yeah, well Maduro really hosess he did it

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Speaker 2: mean I'm not crazy about your logic there, But again,

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Speaker 2: is it a means to an end. What's the longer

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Speaker 2: term consequence though, and that's my big concern moving forward?

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Speaker 2: Was this done with the plan in mind? Marco Rubio

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Speaker 2: this week was talking about what's going on with the

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Speaker 2: oil specifically, he was talking with the ABC, But.

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Speaker 9: How does the United States in tend to secure the

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Speaker 9: oil fields? Won't that take US troops?

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Speaker 5: Well, ultimately, this is not about securing the oil fields.

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Speaker 5: in and out until they make changes to the governance

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Speaker 5: Because right now that industry is non existent in the

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Speaker 2: And that's what's not like the United States. No, actually

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Speaker 5: Told this regime together. That's what needs to be addressed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Will American oil companies go into Venezuela, fix up

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Speaker 2: one thing. But we saw this play out in Iraq.

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Speaker 5: And until those changes happen, this quarantine will remain in place.

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Speaker 9: Chevron is the only American company working in Venezuela right now,

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Speaker 5: I haven't spoken to US oil companies in the last

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Speaker 2: Nah, non Russian, non Chinese companies. That's that's what we're saying.

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Speaker 2: My optimism is, Okay, we got the guy out of there,

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Speaker 2: be mildly skeptical. All Right, It's been another tough year

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Speaker 1: Nuts, you're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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Speaker 2: There's no business like show business. Ah, very good, very good, Kla.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, yeah, now that's fair. That's fair.

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Speaker 10: Kill even in the new year, It's okay.

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Speaker 2: So get this I think that there may be an

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Speaker 2: opportunity see Stranger Things. They did that. They did that

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Speaker 2: release in the theater, the theatrical release of the season

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Speaker 2: of the series finale of Stranger Things twenty five million dollars.

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Speaker 6: Boom.

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Speaker 2: How's that for a nice wrap to the year. Huh

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Speaker 2: pulling an extra twenty twenty five mil. It's pretty solid.

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Speaker 2: Here's where I think it was really interesting. And I

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Speaker 2: don't know if there needs to be a new model here,

441
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Speaker 2: but there may need to be a new model. Get this.

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Speaker 2: According to La Times, Matt and Ross Duffer's supernatural thriller

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Speaker 2: debuted simultaneously on the streaming platform and six hundred cinemas

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Speaker 2: on New Year's Eve, and then held an encore showing

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Speaker 2: all throughout New Year's Day. Maybe you went and saw

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Speaker 2: it in the theater A great place to see it.

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00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 2: Don't give me any spoilers. I just started season five.

448
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Speaker 2: I went back and I started from the beginning because

449
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Speaker 2: I was like, I want to make sure I can

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Speaker 2: put it all together. So I just got through season

451
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Speaker 2: four and I just watched the first episode of season five.

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Speaker 2: So don't don't give me any spoilers. But seems good

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Speaker 2: so far. You know it's all I got. But here's

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Speaker 2: the deal. They couldn't charge for tickets because the cast

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Speaker 2: has terms in their contracts for residuals. And so they said, whoa,

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Speaker 2: we don't want to pay the cast. They're already paying

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Speaker 2: the cast. What they didn't want was for a bunch

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Speaker 2: of money to be flowing in that they had to

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Speaker 2: be able to check in the future. Blah blah blah,

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Speaker 2: whatever it is, right, So, for whatever reason they could,

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Speaker 2: they couldn't charge for tickets in the theaters, and instead

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Speaker 2: you had the theaters that theaters sold mandatory food and

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Speaker 2: beverage vouchers. So AMC and cinema theaters charging twenty dollars

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Speaker 2: for the concessions. Regal was charging eleven dollars for their

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Speaker 2: mandatory food and beverage vouchers. The eleven was because of

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Speaker 2: eleven the character and the show. Now here's where I

467
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Speaker 2: think this could be really interesting. Do first of all,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this is going to end up

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Speaker 2: in court, because a mandatory food and beverage voucher is

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Speaker 2: equivalent to if it's many, I mean, that's isn't that

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Speaker 2: the same as buying a ticket and getting free food

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Speaker 2: and beverage. I mean, what's the difference is semantics? Right?

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Speaker 2: So first of all, who knows, maybe there's gonna be lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea, But is it possible that we

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Speaker 2: start seeing a different model now where we start seeing

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Speaker 2: ticket prices come down, but we start seeing some revenue

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Speaker 2: sharing with the cinemas. I don't know how this is

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Speaker 2: gonna play out, but what I do know is that

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Speaker 2: the enthusiasm around this was built because of the streamer,

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Speaker 2: and so the same thing that takes so much of

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Speaker 2: the enthusiasm away from the theaters. Why am I gonna

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Speaker 2: go pay to Washington Theater and pay first concessions at

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Speaker 2: the theater if I can watch it at home? And

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Speaker 2: I know many of you are saying because you get

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Speaker 2: the theatrical experience and YadA, YadA, YadA. Cool. Look, I

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Speaker 2: love watching football too, and I also have a very big,

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Speaker 2: expensive TV I can watch football on and I'm closer

488
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Speaker 2: to the action than I am. If I get the

489
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Speaker 2: nosebleed seats for three hundred dollars at so fine, okay, atmosphere, everything,

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Speaker 2: that's great. I'm watching most of my football on TV.

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Speaker 2: I might go to a game or two a year,

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Speaker 2: I'm watching most of my movies on the streamer. I

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Speaker 2: may go to I may go to the theater a

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Speaker 2: couple of times a year. Is this a new way

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Speaker 2: to get people back into the theater? Am I just

496
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Speaker 2: talking to my butt? Absolutely? I don't know. I don't

497
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Speaker 2: know what the future is gonna hold. What I do

498
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Speaker 2: know is that the model right now is not working,

499
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: and so to see some experimentation kind of like it,

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Speaker 2: take big swings. If you're gonna strike out, strike out swinging,

501
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: take big swings. Meanwhile, it looks like next year or

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Speaker 2: this year, I guess now could be off to a really,

503
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Speaker 2: really good start. We'll tell you why. And real tragedy

504
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 2: striking already too early for tragedy, but it's happening. It's

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00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 2: not all glitz and glam Sadly, You've got an awful

506
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Speaker 2: lot of celebrities that have real life starting to show

507
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Speaker 2: signs of cracking. Tabloids are there to pounce on it.

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Speaker 2: One tragedy, one very public unravel just punched through the

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Speaker 2: fantasy of Tinseltown. The latest and the troubled Lives of

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Speaker 2: our favorite stars is next on Chris Merril.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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Speaker 2: La Fires one year later, airing Wednesday, seven pm. I

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Speaker 2: believe that's hosted by my friend Michael Monks. He's a

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Speaker 2: good dude, all right, seven pm Friday, I am six

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Speaker 2: forty more stimulating talk on Chris Merril. There's no business

516
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: like show business. Well, last year stunk as far as

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Speaker 2: the box office goes, barely keeping up with the year before.

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Speaker 2: We sold fewer tickets by tens of millions. However, prices

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00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: went up and so the actual money brought in was

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00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: about to break even. But if you factor in inflation,

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Speaker 2: not really. No, it's kind of a down year, kind

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Speaker 2: of a stinker. But is it possible twenty twenty six

523
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Speaker 2: is gonna be better?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Maybe it is possible. Because right now you've got Avatar

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Speaker 2: Fire and Ash third straight week. They just cleared a

527
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Speaker 2: billion dollars worldwide. Wow, who is watching Avatar every I

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Speaker 2: guess so I it's purely anecdotal. But Avatar Fire and

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Speaker 2: Ash comes out and all of a sudden, it's playing,

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Speaker 2: and I went, wait, it's playing. I thought the other

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Speaker 2: one just came out like, I couldn't keep up with

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Speaker 2: this one. But it crushes, absolutely crushes the Avatar series

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Speaker 2: does so, and.

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Speaker 11: I've heard I heard it's the same one as Part two,

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Speaker 11: just it's space or something. It's the same script. I

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Speaker 11: hear there's the same exact movie again. But hey, if

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Speaker 11: it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Speaker 2: Oh so you're saying it felt formulaic.

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Speaker 10: That's what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen that.

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Speaker 10: That's just what i've heard.

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Speaker 11: Okay, but I'm going to check it out and I

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Speaker 11: will report with facts this time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good. I love that. Just the facts, man, just

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Speaker 2: the facts. Good effect. Yeah, we see domestic figures released Monday.

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Speaker 2: We've got estimated ticket sales for Friday through Sunday US

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Speaker 2: and Canadian theaters Avatar, Fire and Nash forty million. Forty

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Speaker 2: million is pretty good on your third week. That is

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Speaker 2: pretty good. Forty millions a pretty good on your first week.

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Speaker 2: Forty million on your third week is pretty dynamite. So

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Speaker 2: nice job, nice job, well done, James Cameron. So I

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Speaker 2: think that means he can buy another submarine, which is great.

553
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Speaker 2: Tragedy struck. Really sad to hear about this. You see

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Speaker 2: Tommy Lee Jones' Daughter's phone dead in a hotel in

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Speaker 2: San Francisco.

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Speaker 10: So sad.

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Speaker 2: This just stinks. It sounds like it might have been

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Speaker 2: an overdose too. Is that what there's saying? Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Page six was reporting on the family and whatnot.

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Speaker 12: Victoria Jones, the daughter of famed actor Tommy Lee Jones,

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Speaker 12: was found dead at a California hotel early on New

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Speaker 12: Year's Day.

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Speaker 2: According to reports, she was thirty four.

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Speaker 12: Police arrived at the Fairmont San Francisco hotel around three

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Speaker 12: fourteen am on Thursday after a report of a medical emergency.

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Speaker 12: The San Francisco Police Department told The Post Jones was

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Speaker 12: found dead on the fourteenth floor of the hotel by

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Speaker 12: a guest who thought she had passed out from drinking.

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Speaker 12: An alerted hotel staff, a source told The Daily Mail

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Speaker 12: staffers immediately began CPR and called for an ambulance, but

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Speaker 12: paramedics declared her dead at the scene when they arrived.

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Speaker 12: San Francisco Fire Department told Page six there were no

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Speaker 12: signs of foul play and no drug paraphernalia was found

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Speaker 12: at the scene.

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Speaker 2: Okay so Well told The.

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Speaker 12: Daily Mail there was also no indication to her death

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Speaker 12: was a suicide. The medical examiner will investigate the cause

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Speaker 12: of her death. It's not clear if she was a

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Speaker 12: guest at the hotel or how she wound.

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Speaker 2: Up on the fourteenth floor.

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Speaker 12: Jones was the daughter of the Fugitive actor and his

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Speaker 12: first wife, kimber Lea Cloughley. She acted when she was younger,

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Speaker 12: appearing alongside her father.

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Speaker 2: And men in Black two.

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Speaker 12: She also had a role in the TV show One

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Speaker 12: Tree Hill, and appeared in the two thousand and five

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Speaker 12: film The Three Burials of Melchiadasi.

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Speaker 2: Strata, which that was a really good movie. She was

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Speaker 2: directed by and starred her father.

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Speaker 12: Jones ran into some trouble with the law earlier this year,

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Speaker 12: and she was arrested at least three times, according to.

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Speaker 10: Records obtained by the Post.

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Speaker 12: Back in April, she was arrested in Napa County for

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Speaker 12: obstructing a peace officer, being under the influence of a

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Speaker 12: controlled substance, and possession of a narcotic controlled substance. Court

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Speaker 12: documents showed the following months, she was arrested in Santa

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Speaker 12: Cruz County, and in June, back in Napa County, she

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Speaker 12: was busted on domestic battery and domestic violence or elder

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Speaker 12: abuse charges and was later released on bail. Jones pleaded

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Speaker 12: not guilty in both cases out of Napa County. According

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Speaker 12: to court records, the San Francisco Medical Examiner and representatives

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Speaker 12: for Tommy Lee Jones did not immediately respond to the

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Speaker 12: Posts request for comment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he the families put out a statement. It's a

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Speaker 2: it's a pretty boilerplate. It's you know, we're struggling right now.

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Speaker 2: Please respect our privacy, that kind of thing, which is

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Speaker 2: that's the right thing to put out. So two years ago,

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Speaker 2: Tommy Lee Jones petition for her to be placed under

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Speaker 2: a temporary conservatorship, arguing that she was in danger of

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Speaker 2: life threatening conduct and needed a drug rehabilitation. A judge

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Speaker 2: granted that request Toimi Lee Jones asked the court to

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Speaker 2: dismiss the matter months later, full accounting the case not available,

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Speaker 2: several records remaining confidential, as is pretty standard when it

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Speaker 2: comes to these sort of domestic things. The petition that

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Speaker 2: Tommy Lee Jones filed with the courts in Marine County

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Speaker 2: said that she was appealing her fourteen day hold there

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Speaker 2: and asked a conservator to arrange for her to be

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Speaker 2: moved to a rehabilitation facility immediately upon her release. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: she had been involuntarily held at a hospital in Green

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Speaker 2: Bray for being in danger. This is horrifying. I have

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Speaker 2: to be careful with what I say right now because

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Speaker 2: this one hits really close, and I want to make

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Speaker 2: sure that I respect my my own family. But I've

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Speaker 2: I've got a very similar situation going on in my life,

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Speaker 2: and right now she's doing great, dish. I still see

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Speaker 2: a lot of the demons that are hiding in there,

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Speaker 2: but she's staying away from the alcohol right now. But

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Speaker 2: it's just terrifying as a parent. My god, we didn't

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Speaker 2: went down the same road, went down the hole. We

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Speaker 2: got to get you. We gotta get you to rehab.

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Speaker 2: We've got to get you away from the bottle. We

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Speaker 2: got to get you out of the toxic situation. And so,

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Speaker 2: my god, I see a story like this and I go,

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Speaker 2: she's thirty four years old and she's still his kid.

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Speaker 2: You know, I got I got kids. My oldest is thirty,

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Speaker 2: my youngest, my younger ones are in their twenties and

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Speaker 2: they're adults. They're still my kids. And so Tommy Lee

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Speaker 2: Jones and family, I can't even imagine the pain that

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Speaker 2: you're going through. And I'm terrified. I'm absolutely terrified from

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Speaker 2: the bottom of my heart. I I I hope, I

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Speaker 2: hope that if there's a silver lining around this, it's

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Speaker 2: that I can bring other families into an awareness that

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Speaker 2: it doesn't just get better by hoping it gets better, right,

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Speaker 2: because that's what worries me. And I'm the kind of

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Speaker 2: person that, if I'm being honest, we'll put my head

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Speaker 2: in the sand and say, well, maybe she'll figure it

647
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Speaker 2: out tomorrow. It doesn't. It doesn't really work that way.

648
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: And so hopefully this shed some light on families it

649
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: may be struggling with something very similar. Bail out of that.

650
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: It's a Kayla out of this too much, it's too personal,

651
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: it's too much real for me right now, don't do

652
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: that very real.

653
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 6: We don't do that.

654
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 10: But we like when you get real, Christopher.

655
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: I know, don't do it. It's okay, it's hard on

656
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 2: my heart, okay.

657
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 10: Own a brighter note.

658
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 11: One of the articles said that she was only thirty four,

659
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 11: So that made me feel younger.

660
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 10: Yeah, because I'm like, oh my, that's great, because that's

661
00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 10: a young age.

662
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 11: I always felt all thirty four, she's yeah, only thirty four, crazy.

663
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: Only thirty four, she's only thirty only thirty four, all right.

664
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: Imagine you've got opinions. Yeah, we all do, right, and

665
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: somebody else has money, Yeah, they all do. We never do.

666
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: Silicon Valleys decided that those two things should fight each

667
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: other for profit. Time to put your money where your

668
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: mouth is. And what has to be the most predatory

669
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: business model ever it is next time, Chris Meryl.

670
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

671
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: I had the over. I lost. What do you mean, Well,

672
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: we were betting on how long you were gonna go

673
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: on news?

674
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 6: Oh did it go long? Did it?

675
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 13: No?

676
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: No? It was short? Oh? Ok No, I was betting

677
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: on the over. Yeah, I knew that with CALSI. Now

678
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: I just throw throw a little wager up there and

679
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: I say, will the KFI newscasts last more than two

680
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 2: and a half minutes? And I was like, oh, take

681
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: the over, Brigitta, she's been gone for a while. She

682
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: loves herself, she loves her voice.

683
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 6: I don't have a.

684
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 10: Lot of stuff in here tonight. I'm not gonna lie.

685
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: I know I should have taken the under. Kaylee was smart,

686
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: she took the under. Kaela just cleared six cents k

687
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: IF I AM six forty more stimulating talk, and it

688
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: seems like you can. You can bet on just about anything.

689
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: Now you know.

690
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: The sports betting apps those are those are no go

691
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: in California, no go. But you can still use Calshi

692
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: and poly Market and you can still bet on sports

693
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 2: through those those are still legal. How might you ask

694
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: that's that's a really good question, you see, because those

695
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: aren't bets. Those are investments in the same way that

696
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: the stock market is basically America's casino. Calshy and poly

697
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 2: Market have decided that all you're doing is just you're

698
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: investing in futures. I mean, isn't that basically what you

699
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 2: do when you put money down. I mean, if you

700
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: wanted to bet on the Chargers, you put money down

701
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: in the future of the outcome of that game. That's

702
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: kind of what they're saying with these different Polymarkets and

703
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: calsh And according to the CEO of calshis to finance

704
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 2: financialize everything and create a tradable asset out of any

705
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: difference in opinion. This from Gizmoto popped up on the

706
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: Future of Global Marcus twenty twenty five conference held by

707
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: Citadel Securities last month to float the notion that everything

708
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 2: can be an asset if you're willing to put money

709
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: on it. And I love the way the writer said it.

710
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 2: It's an idea that doesn't actually make any sense if

711
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: you think about it for more than a second. The

712
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: idea that you can resolve a difference of opinion by

713
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: turning it into a financial contract where people put money

714
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 2: on either side of the outcome. Is it a resolution tool.

715
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: It's just a bet that kel she is taking a

716
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: cut of. In fact, you would have made a decent

717
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: amount of money last year as far as investments go.

718
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 2: You would not have kept up with the S and P,

719
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: you would not have kept up with the DOW, but

720
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: you would have beaten inflation had you simply put money

721
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: on whether or not Jesus Christ would return in twenty

722
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: twenty five, three point three million dollars was put on

723
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: the investment the Future's investment of whether or not Christ

724
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: would return in twenty twenty five. Most of the money

725
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: came to no. People said no, not coming back, but

726
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: there were enough people who said, yeah, I'll take a

727
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: shot at it. That the probability of his return based

728
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: on opinions stayed above three percent throughout most of the spring.

729
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: And if you bet no, back in April when the

730
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: second coming, speculation was that the highest you would have

731
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: turned five and a half percent. That's better than US

732
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: Treasury bills. That's not a bad return on investment. Although

733
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: kill it as our resident religio. So is it isn't

734
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 2: it fair to say that if you put money on

735
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: Christ coming back, that it guarantees that he doesn't come back?

736
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: Because it isn't it. No one would ever know the

737
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: time or the day or whatever when the return happens.

738
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 10: And that's what that's what they say.

739
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? Or am I overreading into that? Is it? Is

740
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: it more like? Uh, well yeah, I mean you just

741
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: said he was gonna come back this year, but you

742
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: know that it was gonna be like July ninth. I'm

743
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: gonna be splitting hairs here.

744
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 10: I mean if you just guess a date and then

745
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 10: it happens, Like what.

746
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: If I guess a year and it happens? Is that wrong?

747
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 10: I mean, I'm just guessing. I don't really do this

748
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 10: structure question.

749
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 11: Okay, Yeah, you're going to hell if you guys.

750
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 2: No, I like that. I'm just going to hell. All right, perfect,

751
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: that's outstanding, all right, very good? Uh? Polymarket cal She

752
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: often held This is from la times, often held out

753
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: as a cutting edge way to give reliable odds to

754
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: a crucial real world event like an elections result or

755
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 2: the outbreak of a war by tethering the power of

756
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: high stakes betting to the wisdom of the crowd. Look

757
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: simply because I mean Plato said this, simply because the

758
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: crowd believes it doesn't mean it's right. Isn't that the

759
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: isn't that the downfall of of democracies. Why Plato said

760
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 2: democracy was not a good, uh model of governance, because

761
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: that's just simply mob rule. Well, in the same way

762
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: can be mob opinion. For instance, years ago, the the

763
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: New England Patriots were unstoppable, literally unstoppable. They won every

764
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: game in the season. They went into the Super Bowl

765
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: and they were up against the Giants, who were a

766
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: wild card team that snuck into the playoffs and somehow

767
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 2: made it into the Super Bowl, and the Patriots had

768
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: heavy odds to win. The vast majority of people thought

769
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 2: the Patriots are going to mop the floor with the Giants,

770
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: and lo and behold, Eli Manning and the Giants have

771
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: a miraculous fourth down catch uh. And it was a

772
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: It was an incredible drive at the end of the

773
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 2: game the Giants won. So simply because a mob believes

774
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: that something is going to happen doesn't mean it's going

775
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 2: to happen. Although it is curious when you have someone

776
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: who puts a tremendous amount of money, I mean real

777
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: money down on something that isn't really on anybody's radar,

778
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: like regime change from Devin Politics, who I guess is

779
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: a podcaster talking about how the futures market, polymarket and

780
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: Calshi made somebody very wealthy just yesterday.

781
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 7: A brand new account joined poly market in December of

782
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 7: twenty twenty five and instantly started placing bets on one thing, Venezuela.

783
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: Well, they had not been poly market before then. They

784
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: joined last month started putting a bunch of money on Venezuela.

785
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: But how much money is a bunch of money? Remember

786
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: you can bet very very little, not.

787
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 7: Sports or elections, only Venezuela, and these bets were very specific.

788
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 14: Take a look.

789
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 7: According to the publicly available data here, this account bet

790
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 7: heavily on outcomes that most people would consider long shots.

791
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 7: They all have the deadline January thirty first, twenty twenty six,

792
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 7: the first one being Maduro out by then, well, the

793
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 7: US invade Venezuela by then Trump and folks who were

794
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 7: powers by then US forces in Venezuela.

795
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 14: By then, entry prizes were as low as six cents.

796
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 2: Okay, you're throwing a nickel at it. That's one thing.

797
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw a nickel at it. Eh, I'm not

798
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: out anything if it hits. I won seventy five cents,

799
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: and I can tell everybody I want, right, Okay? Is

800
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: that what happened with this one account that just joined

801
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: polymarket and then started betting only on whether or not

802
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: there would be military intervention in Venezuela and if Maduro

803
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 2: would be deposed.

804
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 14: Meaning the market thought these were extremely unlikely.

805
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 7: Then within days events unfolded that matched these predictions perfectly,

806
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 7: and as you can tell, the account cashed out, making

807
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 7: over four hundred thousand dollars.

808
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 2: Holy cal they're not betting six cents and clearing four

809
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: hundred grand.

810
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 14: You can see right there in the top left this account.

811
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: Joined in the SIMS I can't it's radio number of.

812
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 14: Twenty twenty five.

813
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 7: A lot of people think this account has some sort

814
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 7: of connection to Donald Trump, although that has not been proven.

815
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 7: But the timing alone raises a lot of questions. These

816
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 7: are the only four predictions they made, and they opened

817
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 7: the account last month. It just so happens that every

818
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 7: single thing they predicted was correct. If somebody had advanced

819
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 7: knowledge of major military decisions, profiting from that information would

820
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 7: raise a lot of very serious legal and ethical concerns.

821
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would. And if I had any money on

822
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: it and I just lost my money on it, I'd

823
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 2: be a little bummed. Because that's Okay, Let's let's look

824
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: at it this way. If we are going to say

825
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 2: that Calshe and Polly Market are not gambling sites. Instead,

826
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: they are futures markets in the same way that you

827
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: can bet on futures of commodities. You can bet on

828
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: soybean futures and corn futures. You can bet on futures

829
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: of your favorite stocks. Oh, I'm going to bet on

830
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: Tesla futures. Although wait its Tesla's public ali is Tesla

831
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: publicly traded? I didn't. I'm not back anyway, Okay, but

832
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: you can bet on the Ford futures there there, I'll

833
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: use what I know general motors futures. You can bet

834
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: out all kinds of futures. Right, So, if we're gonna

835
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 2: say that Calci and Polymarket are simply futures trading and

836
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: not gambling sites. Tesla is publicly traded. Okay, good, I

837
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 2: was afraid I got that wrong. I can't remember which

838
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: one's Muscus publicly trading which ones he's not. If we're

839
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: going to say that that Calci and Polymarket are not

840
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: gambling sites and that's why we can use them in California,

841
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: that they're simply futures trading, then wouldn't it make sense

842
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: that the SEC needs to regulate these and look into

843
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: suspicious behaviors such as some rando opening an account putting

844
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 2: thirty grand on long shots and then clearing four hundred

845
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: thousand dollars on military action. Somebody knew what was going on,

846
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: Somebody knew what the plan was going to be, and

847
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: somebody kept putting more and more money on it. And

848
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: as they continue to put money on it, knowing what

849
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 2: the plans were for US intervention in Venezuela, they knew

850
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: they were gonna make a killing. Now, one thing we

851
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: can we can say is dirty as they are, and

852
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: as slimy as they are, and as much as they

853
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: have flaunted insider trading rules in the past, even creating

854
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: new laws to prevent themselves from insider trading, still finding

855
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: ways to use insider trading. What we do no is

856
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: it wasn't anybody in Congress, because the White House has

857
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: made very clear they did not consult Congress before taking

858
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: action in Venezuela, which, by the way, is not unusual

859
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: if you're doing secret operations, it's not unusual opening salvo,

860
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 2: but then follow up would be would need congressional approval,

861
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 2: so that's not unusual. What I'm saying is, whoever it

862
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: is in the administration that knew what was going on

863
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: on Calshi or on Polymarket, wasn't somebody in Congress because

864
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: the White House gave them an alibi already that was nice.

865
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: So I mean somebody within the administration or adjacent to

866
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: it absolutely could have been an aide to Marco Rubio

867
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 2: something of that sort, right, knew what was going on

868
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: and cashed in bigly. So if this is not a

869
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: betting website Calci and Polymarket, if this is not a

870
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 2: betting website and it's instead a futures trading website, then

871
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 2: the SEC needs to investigate flat out all right, Still

872
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: to come, the Great Doctor Wendy Walsh is gonna join us.

873
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: Saw a strange headline I have to ask her about.

874
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 2: Is heterosexuality cringe? Oh man? Not only am I old,

875
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: I'm bolding. I use a bunch of terms from the

876
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 2: nineties now just being straight means I have another level

877
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: of cringe. I can't win.

878
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

879
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: Always a pleasure hanging out with you, and I do

880
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: appreciate you making us a part of your evening. Pretty dynamo.

881
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: We'll check with the great doctor Wendy Wallshare coming up

882
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: in just a few moments, and do you want to

883
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886
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Speaker 2: PMKFI AM six forty. Think about that a year ago.

887
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 2: Remember they're thinking the Palisades fire was the guy who

888
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: was setting off fireworks and that they didn't get the

889
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: The initial fire put out quite right right away, and

890
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: it smoldered for like a week before it kicked up again.

891
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: So at this time a year ago, there was a

892
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: disaster just looming. It was just hanging there waiting to

893
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 2: turn ugly, right, It was just that it's just creepy

894
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 2: when I think about that. All right, So reading this

895
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: story that I thought was really interesting, is having a

896
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: boyfriend embarrassing? Now was an article that who had this?

897
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: Vogue put it out. If someone so much as says

898
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: my boyfriend and social media, they get muted. There's nothing

899
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: I hate more than following someone for fun, only for

900
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: their content to become my boyfriend defied suddenly, and they

901
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: say probably because for so long it felt like we

902
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 2: were living in what one of my favorite substackers calls

903
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: boyfriend land, a world where women's online identities centered around

904
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 2: the lives of their partners. Situation rarely seen reversed. I mean,

905
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 2: I've seen it reversed. I get it. Okay, you don't

906
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: like that they're doting on their boyfriend, you don't like

907
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: it that you feel like their identity is intertwined, all right,

908
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: But can we just be fair? How many times have

909
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: you heard me talk about my family on the air?

910
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: I talk about my wife all the time, I talk

911
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: about my kids, I talk about it is part of

912
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: my identity. And somebody else is upset because someone else

913
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 2: has a boyfriend. They don't like it. So I was

914
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: reading the kind of a follow up interview that Vox

915
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: was doing. Is heterosexuality cringe? Come on? In recent months,

916
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: freelance writer noting a surprising trend under social media feeds,

917
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: women had stopped posting pictures of their boyfriends for a

918
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: long time. Boyfriend picks where a good social media fodder,

919
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: whether on vacation or chilling at home. These images sent

920
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: a message of heterosexual bliss, of contented couplehood, a world,

921
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 2: as Joseph wrote, where women's online identity centered around the

922
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: lives of their partners in a situation rarely seeing reverse.

923
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: You just heard me say that. Then the boyfriends disappeared.

924
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: You might see a hand or a shadow where the

925
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: back of a head, but the faces of these men

926
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,479
Speaker 2: were cropped out or blurred out, as if they want

927
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: to erase the fact that they exist without actually not

928
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: posting them. And then they went on to talk about, oh,

929
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: if you're in a relationship, is that cringe? Now? If

930
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 2: you're in a straight relationship, if you're gonna, if you're

931
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: gonna a gay or lesbian relationship, well then you can

932
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 2: still go on social media and brag about being in

933
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: a relationship. I guess let me just tell you as

934
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: we evaluate what's happening in real terms. Clickbait, that's what's happening.

935
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: Clickbait is happening. Somebody else's feed is showing them things

936
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 2: that they don't like, and they're they're scrolling past it

937
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: until they find something they do like, and then they

938
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: heart that they favorite that they like that, and then

939
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: the algorithm picks up on it, and then they say,

940
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: there's a disturbing trend online. No, there's a disturbing trend

941
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: on your feed. You didn't like that people were posting

942
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 2: pictures of themselves with their boyfriends, and so you scrolled

943
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: past it. But when you saw someone posting pictures of

944
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 2: themselves with their same sex partner, you liked that, and

945
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: then your feed started filling up with other people because

946
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 2: the algorithm thinks you are an LGBTQ advocate.

947
00:51:59,360 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 9: Cool.

948
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: That's great, but don't tell us that all of a sudden,

949
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 2: the feed or that social media has changed, that it's

950
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: no longer cool to show pictures of you and your boyfriend,

951
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: or that it's no longer cool to be straight. Come on,

952
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: this is clickbait, and the idea here is let's click

953
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 2: on this so that other people will read our musings

954
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 2: and then they'll all think that we are cutting edge. Nah,

955
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: is it embarrassing to post online that you have a

956
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 2: significant other. Yes, it always has been. That's not new.

957
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 2: That's That's exactly why we came up with the word cringe.

958
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: It is cringe. We're all like, I gotta see this

959
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: person in there. They're a blissful honeymoon stage Marth. We

960
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: all feel that way. My wife still posts pictures of

961
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 2: her and I been together twenty one years. She puts

962
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: that crap online and people love it. They're like, you

963
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 2: may this, It's so cute, and I'm like, it's so cringe,

964
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: but she loves it. Okay, cool, whatever. Just let people

965
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: live their own lives. Yeah it's cringe. Yeah it's embarrassing.

966
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: But if you're not embarrassed by anything, go on. You

967
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: know what, this year, don't worry so much about what

968
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: other people are posting. In fact, this year, log off

969
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 2: every now and again. If you start seeing things you

970
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: don't like, log off. Maybe don't write your Vox article.

971
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 2: Maybe you don't write your Vogue article. Maybe just log off.

972
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: The trend, they say, is not about disliking relationships themselves,

973
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 2: but about discomfort with publicly performing heterosexual romance and spaces

974
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 2: that reward detachment and humor. Okay, you don't like public

975
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 2: displays of affection, and you're going to say you just

976
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: don't like public displays of straight affection because you feel

977
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 2: like you're gonna offend your friends if you say you

978
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: don't like public displays of affection, and they're gonna call

979
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 2: you homophobic, so instead you're gonna be heterophobic. Just don't

980
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: be phobic. You don't like public displays of affection. I

981
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: get it. I don't either, And you know what, I

982
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 2: married somebody that does. And you know what that means.

983
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: That means I shut up and I kiss her in public.

984
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 2: That's what it means. That's the deal. That's what I

985
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: signed up for. But I didn't like it. I saw

986
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 2: it online. It made me feel sad. Barf. Do you

987
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 2: guys get doctor? Weddy's still connecting? She cool? All right?

988
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: I got nothing else to say, Ali, do you have

989
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 2: anything else to fill up with? Here? Virginia's you want

990
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: to jump in? I got nothing else? Nothing good? Yeah? Okay,

991
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 2: this is great. Feel really good about this. Normally they'd say, hey, Chris,

992
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: why don't you just fill ninety seconds, and I go, yeah,

993
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: no problem, Why I just fill ninety seconds any burn

994
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: throwing one material? And the problem is when you have

995
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: to fill ninety seconds, then you feel like, Okay, do

996
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: I start a whole new subject. I can start a

997
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: new topic. I have lots of stories to let's go,

998
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: just start a new topic.

999
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 10: Do it?

1000
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 2: I can, but I don't think I can knock it out.

1001
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: And I don't think I can knock it out in

1002
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 2: sixty seconds. Oh how about this doctor Wendy watsh was

1003
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 2: joining us right now.

1004
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 6: I am finally.

1005
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 2: Because I was about to have to start talking about

1006
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: real IDs and DMV software and you didn't want that.

1007
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to do you have.

1008
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 6: A problem with being heterosexual?

1009
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 2: No, no, no, there's people writing these articles that are like, oh,

1010
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 2: it's not cool to show pictures of your boyfriend and

1011
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: your social media feeds. It's cringe heado relationships and social

1012
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: media is cringing. And I'm like, all relationship public displays

1013
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 2: of affection are embarrassing and cringey. That's kind of the right, right,

1014
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 2: Why that's the ritual? Yeah?

1015
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 6: Please, I'll tell you what.

1016
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 13: From an evolutionary psychology perspective and a sociology perspective. So,

1017
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 13: right now, in our modern mating marketplace, in modern capitalist America,

1018
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 13: we have an oversupply of successful women, and so therefore

1019
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 13: a group of women are not going to find me,

1020
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 13: all right, that's just the truth. They're not going to reproduce,

1021
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 13: so therefore they have to validate their situation by.

1022
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 6: Saying, how dare you?

1023
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 13: But eh, you, oh, I don't want to see your boyfriend.

1024
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 13: Single's cool, it's in because it's not their fault. I'm

1025
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 13: not blaming any individual woman. I'm just saying the mating

1026
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,479
Speaker 13: marketplace is very tough. It's not that we have more

1027
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 13: women in general. It's that we have more women who

1028
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,959
Speaker 13: are college educated and making more money, and they don't

1029
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 13: want to their words, date down or settle. I'm out

1030
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 13: here telling them you better look a little closer at

1031
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 13: that power guy because he might just be a guy

1032
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 13: who can power a stroller.

1033
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 6: All right.

1034
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, yeah, So that's what happens is our culture

1035
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 13: now is trying to justify normalize not having a boyfriend

1036
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 13: because a giant chunk of successful women are not going

1037
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 13: to get to pro create, are not going to find

1038
00:56:59,320 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 13: a mate.

1039
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: This is why I love listening to doctor, Wendy, You're

1040
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 2: just smart.

1041
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 13: And that's also why same sex relationships, especially with females,

1042
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 13: are much more condoned than they've ever been in our.

1043
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: History, because of the the what'd you call it, the

1044
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 2: dating market, reproduction.

1045
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 6: Marketing, because of the mating market place.

1046
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 13: I mean, relationships are so good for us, all the youngest,

1047
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 13: a stress reducer, it's good for your health, it's good.

1048
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 13: So if you can't find a dude, get a girlfriend.

1049
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean even straight guys have the same thing. Like,

1050
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: I've got really good guy friends, and I find myself

1051
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: to be I think myself as being very fortunate. I

1052
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 2: have a group of guy friends that I believe I

1053
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 2: could genuinely call if something really bad were happening, like

1054
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: if I were going through a divorce, if I lost

1055
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: a child, something like that. I think they would be

1056
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: there for me, right, And I don't think I don't.

1057
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 2: I don't know that every guy has that.

1058
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 13: No, there's a lot of isolation that men are suffering.

1059
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 13: And then the other problem is there's a bunch of

1060
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 13: even though there's this oversupply of successful women, there's a

1061
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 13: bunch of guys who are being excluded from the mating

1062
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 13: marketplace because the dating apps trick women into believing that

1063
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 13: this top ten percent of alpha males are accessible to

1064
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 13: all because they show their picture to them.

1065
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean yeah, yeah.

1066
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 13: But again it's all done by technology dating apps. It's

1067
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 13: no individual person's fault.

1068
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:29,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1069
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 6: I want to say that there's no Yeah.

1070
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 2: Dating is not like door Dash. You don't just get

1071
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: to order.

1072
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 6: What you want right exactly.

1073
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 13: But I do want to say there are ways to

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Speaker 13: hack the system, and I know them because it worked

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Speaker 13: for me.

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Speaker 2: And I Ah, we're out of time. Wendy Oliver's yelling

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Speaker 2: at me, but I want the answer to that, all right,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Wendy Walsh is next. Thank you so much, Kayla,

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Speaker 2: brilliant job tonight. You busted your tail. Oliver, You've kept

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Speaker 2: this on the air for ninety minutes. Good for you

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Speaker 2: and Brigina. How did we ever get by without you?

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Speaker 6: We miss you, miss good to be back.

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Speaker 2: I love you all. Have a great night. Back next week.

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