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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you Boston Radio, we are guaranteed to have

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Speaker 2: a good weekend after kind of a crazy week here

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Speaker 2: on Nightside. The world is going crazy, and we have

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Speaker 2: lots to talk about tonight, but we want to end

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Speaker 2: the week positively going into the weekend. We will talk

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Speaker 2: coming up at nine o'clock tonight about a tough situation.

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Speaker 2: A Boston police officer has pled not guilty to manslaught

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Speaker 2: of charges he has charged in a shooting that occurred

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Speaker 2: earlier this month. Again something that bothers everybody. Obviously, the

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Speaker 2: family who lost a family member there, I'm sure unconsolable.

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Speaker 2: But we'll be talking with the president of the Boston

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Speaker 2: Police Patrolman's Association, Larry called around. Larry called around. These

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Speaker 2: are decisions that police officers have to make. Look at

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Speaker 2: what Madison was just talking about today, happening at Forest

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Speaker 2: Hill Station just is amazing. Then at ten o'clock, we'll

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Speaker 2: ask you what roadway wherever you live, living in Massachusetts,

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Speaker 2: anywhere in New England, anywhere around the country, is there

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Speaker 2: a specific roadway that just drives you bonkers. In twentieth hour,

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Speaker 2: we're going to ask you what today's the first day

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Speaker 2: of spring. I think it came around eleven o'clock this morning,

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Speaker 2: though you wouldn't have known it by the temperatures. What

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Speaker 2: do you like best about spring? And we're looking for

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Speaker 2: a variety of topics there. But I saw a piece

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Speaker 2: in the Globe today which I thought was really interesting

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Speaker 2: and with us is Quincy Gas station owner Harvey Kurtzman. Harvey,

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Speaker 2: welcome to Nightside. How are you today, sir?

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Speaker 1: Assigned? Thanks dance, I haven't I appreciate it?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm delighted. I really am a big believer in

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Speaker 2: independent gas stations, and yours is an independent, as I

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Speaker 2: understand it.

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Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, yes, it is.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll bet you that your prices are better than

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Speaker 2: most of the majors that are around you.

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Speaker 1: Most Yes, there's always a price war going on somewhere.

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Speaker 2: No, I get that. I get that. But but I

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Speaker 2: have a friend of mine who has a gas station

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Speaker 2: on Root nine in Wellesley, right very close to Route eight.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know each other, but if

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Speaker 2: there's the name Gary Ring of Bell Patriot Petroleum on

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm familiar with the name. I don't know him.

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Speaker 2: Though, great guy, just great guy. And I'm sure you're

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Speaker 2: a great guy. And the article on the Globe today

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Speaker 2: said that you want to you give free water to

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Speaker 2: people who come in, and yes, I'm told it's you know,

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Speaker 2: it's not just it's it's poland spring cold water in

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Speaker 2: a summer day. Who's But now you're going to try

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Speaker 2: to do something more for your customer and you're looking

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Speaker 2: to hire. It's a violist. Is that? Is that the.

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Speaker 1: Proper correct a viola has I've always been enamored with

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Speaker 1: the sound of the viola, and I think it would

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Speaker 1: just be a fun thing to do to serenade customers

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Speaker 1: just spending a ton of money. They work hard all

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Speaker 1: my I work hard for my for my pay. You

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Speaker 1: do all. We all work hard for our pay. And

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Speaker 1: when you spend it, you want to at least have

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Speaker 1: a smile on your face. You want to enjoy spending it.

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Speaker 1: So at the station, I think it would be fun

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Speaker 1: in the old heritage style of maybe in the in

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Speaker 1: the twenties or thirties, or in European restaurants when the

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Speaker 1: when the a musician would stroll around from the table

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Speaker 1: for the customers, So I thought it would be a

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Speaker 2: Now, let's make sure that we're not talking about a

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Speaker 2: violinist where someone you know puts that that the end

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Speaker 2: talking about a viola, which is a much bigger instrument.

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Speaker 1: Correct, not much bigger. It's only about twenty percent bigger.

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Speaker 1: It's really about four yeah, and maybe three to four

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Speaker 1: like a pregnant violin.

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Speaker 2: So so it is the does the musician still, you know,

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Speaker 1: That way exactly the same. They make different lengths of

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Speaker 1: it's like a violin is a soprano and a viola

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Speaker 2: Now I thought that viola's were sort of stand up

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Speaker 2: that what what is I'm not the best musician.

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Speaker 1: Here, but that's a base. That's a bass settle. That's

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Speaker 1: like yo yo ma.

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Speaker 2: Oh right, that's what I thought it was. Yes, Actually

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Speaker 2: I was once at a private concert with Yo Yo

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Speaker 1: So that's what. Yeah, he's a I think a bas

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Well, now so I've learned here. Uh and

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Speaker 2: it says since the eighteenth century it has been the

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Speaker 2: the violin and the cello. Okay, that explained that.

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Speaker 1: That's a good way to portray that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, I'm reading here from a description. Actually it's

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Speaker 2: in Wikipedia, so sometimes Wikipedia gets it right. So, yes,

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Speaker 2: how long harve you have you had the station down there?

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Speaker 2: If I could ask, for many years?

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Speaker 1: Or is it new almost fifty years? I bought it

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Speaker 1: in seventy eight, really in nineteen seventy eight. At that

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Speaker 1: time was a Base State station, and then then I

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Speaker 1: went to Then I was a mobile station for maybe

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Speaker 1: ten years. Then I went to Global. That was a

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Speaker 1: Global station for ten years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Global is a local company. Global is a company

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Speaker 2: in Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: If I'm not yesh And so you've.

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Speaker 2: Been in one this is I love your story. This

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Speaker 2: has been in one location. I've worked for WBZ, either

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Speaker 2: television or radio since nineteen seventy six, so we're kind

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Speaker 1: In that region, in that fame timeline.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, So how did you decide that this

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Speaker 2: is what you wanted to do for your life, for

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Speaker 2: your living, for your life, because obviously it has become

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Speaker 2: your life. How did you decide that.

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Speaker 1: I had a garage across the streets, that we had

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Speaker 1: free gas pumps there, and that I ran that from

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine to the year two thousand, two thousand

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Speaker 1: my heart is in the automobile. My watch in my

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Speaker 1: veins is oil and gasoline. So it's really really anything

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Speaker 1: in cars, automotive, and when you service a half a

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Speaker 1: but with your customers. I serviced one hundred cars a

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Speaker 1: day for thirty five forty years. Now I service about

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Speaker 1: five or six hundred cars a day. So you're meeting people,

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Speaker 1: you're talking to people, and it's fun. Everybody has a story. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but when when they pull when they pull them up

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Speaker 1: you've got to be the best friend in two and

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Speaker 1: a half minutes to do that. It's it's it's an

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Speaker 1: abbreviated Uh, it's just it's just life in abbreviation, and

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Speaker 1: today's life everything is fast. So you say, you know,

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Speaker 1: you want to hold somebody's hands for a long period

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Speaker 1: of time, but you're in that kind of business. You

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Speaker 1: can't do that. You have to just hear the story

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Speaker 1: and tell them, hey, you have a grateful day, and

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Speaker 1: and enjoy the day and try to put a smile

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Speaker 1: on their face.

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Speaker 2: It's not like, you know, I've done the same thing

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Speaker 2: now for this you know, approximately maybe not as long

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Speaker 2: as you actually now that you mentioned, but I've done

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Speaker 2: the same thing for a long time, and I have

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Speaker 2: this this curiosity. I do believe there's there's a story

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Speaker 2: with everyone. Einstein once said, I have no special talent.

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Speaker 2: I am only passionately curious. And I think that you

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Speaker 2: can identify with that. I know I can identify with that.

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Speaker 2: And doing a talk show for nineteen years, basically, the

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Speaker 2: one thing I do is provide companionship, entertainment and conversation.

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Speaker 1: Shut up, you know we're all We're all all of us.

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Speaker 1: I think, without exception, all of us want to be heard.

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Speaker 1: You want to say something to somebody to listen, and

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Speaker 1: you do it very well. And I'm sure you your

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Speaker 1: your listeners reflect on that highly about you.

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Speaker 2: Well. I appreciate that, Harvey. You. The next time I'm

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Speaker 2: in Quincy, I'm going to find Quincy Gas. Where's where's your?

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Speaker 2: Where is your I'll use it the word store, but

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Speaker 2: your filling station and your gas station.

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Speaker 1: Right below Walmart in Quincy and right across the street

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Speaker 1: from town Fair Tire.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that was what mar What is? What's what is

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Speaker 2: the address for people? Who? Everybody has GPS these days,

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Speaker 2: so I want to get you some business here? What's

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Speaker 2: the app?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Thank you for fifty one Quincy Avenue, Quincy.

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Speaker 2: Easy four fifty one, Quincy Avenue, Harvey. I'm so glad.

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Speaker 2: I've read the Globe today and I'm so glad that

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Speaker 2: you were able to come on with us. And uh,

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Speaker 2: I just you know, you are obviously the man who

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Speaker 2: found your passion. And what does someone want say? If

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Speaker 2: if you if you work, if you work on something

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Speaker 2: you love, you'll never have to work a day in

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Speaker 2: your life.

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Speaker 1: Correct? I think Aristotle, well those guys, I think.

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Speaker 2: I went to school with him. If I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Mistake, Yeah, we're both at all. And I put inspirational

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Speaker 1: quotes on top of each pump and we change them

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Speaker 1: around every couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Okay, when do you think the violist will will be?

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Speaker 2: And it's going to take you a while to find someone.

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Speaker 2: What sort of a schedu I've got.

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Speaker 1: I've got six people in q.

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Speaker 2: People who have already applied for the position.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and some of them are and most of them

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Speaker 1: are well well credited, well well versed in viola.

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Speaker 2: So well credited, and they will they will bring their talents.

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Speaker 1: That's going to happen after the first week after Easter.

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Speaker 1: The weather should be warm and the worst thing you

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Speaker 1: want to do is put a viola in cold weather.

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Speaker 1: It's just not good for the instrument.

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Speaker 2: Right nor in the rain. Harvey. You know, how how

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Speaker 2: have I not met you in all these years we're

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Speaker 2: hanging out in the same there's always someone new to me,

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Speaker 2: Harvey Kurtzman of Quinsy Gas for fifty one Quincy Street

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Speaker 2: in Quincy. Yeah, my mistake, Harvey. Thank you for the question.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to check back within a few weeks and

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Speaker 2: see how it's going. Maybe we can get someone to

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Speaker 2: play the viola in the background for us. Okay, there

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Speaker 2: you go. Sounds great, Harvey.

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Speaker 1: Keep in touch and have a grateful evening.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, we're going to try to have a good night.

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Speaker 2: All waitter midnight, we'll talk again. Thank you, Harvey, Thank

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Speaker 2: you very much. Well we get back. We're going to

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Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. I am delighted to introduce Anahad

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Speaker 2: O'Connor writes for The Washington Post. He's a Washington Post

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Speaker 2: health columnist, and all of us have woken up at

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Speaker 2: a lot of people, virtually everybody at some point goes

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Speaker 2: through this frustration. Good evening, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm great, thanks for having me, and yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 3: It's I was surprised when I looked at the number.

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Speaker 3: It's about one in five people in the United States

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I for me if I have you know,

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Speaker 2: we're not talking about that, We're talking about actual insomnia.

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Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, where you wake up around you know in

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Speaker 2: Some tips that people I have heard about this four

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Speaker 3: So I had tried a bunch of things to conquer

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Speaker 2: If you six for people who have insomnia and they

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Speaker 2: there are other things that you talked about, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean it can vary. It obviously varies

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Speaker 3: So you can combine it with progressive muscle relaxation, which,

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I do to fall back to sleep?

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Speaker 2: And you're gonna think I'm nuts, but I'll tell you,

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Speaker 3: It's a it's a form of distraction that helps you

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Speaker 2: It's no it's thinking pleasant thoughts. That's the best thing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So it's calming you. It's relaxing. Anything that

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Speaker 2: When I when I was a little kid and I

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Speaker 2: American and Aytan in National. Anyway, Anahad O'Connor, thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed this conversation and I hope to have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do a lot of things under underwellness good generally.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to have you back.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very chested and have a and you've provided

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Speaker 2: I liked this interview and I'd like to do it again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Hope you have a great weekend.

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Speaker 3: Okay, great to tell you. Thanks for having me you too,

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much. Washington Post Health columnists Anahan O'Connor easy

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Speaker 2: to find. When we get back, We're going to talk

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Speaker 2: Back on Nightside, we're going to talk about chronic stress

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Speaker 2: takes a real toll. Seventy seven percent of people report

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Speaker 2: But there's a variety of chronic stresses. And with me

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Speaker 2: Well you have quite a story to tell as a

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Speaker 2: A very normal activity that you went on one night

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Speaker 4: Can tend to Yeah, I was a busy mom and

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Speaker 5: It was just like something out of a movie.

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Speaker 4: At first they came in and robbed everybody, and then

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Speaker 2: as that is and as really off the charts, you

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00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 2: have to carry that with you, the memory of it

437
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 2: for a long time. What'd year was this? How many

438
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 2: years ago?

439
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 4: This was in twenty nineteen, and what's pretty recent.

440
00:23:59,000 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 5: It does take.

441
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Speaker 4: Some time to recover. It's not something you get over quickly.

442
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 4: I did have to have some trauma therapy and I

443
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 4: started working journaling, and that's kind of how the book

444
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 4: developed because it was a way of me healing myself

445
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 4: from that and three other terrible things that had happened

446
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Speaker 4: to me.

447
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Speaker 2: And this was the name of the book, because I

448
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: should have mentioned that earlier. Is from attitude to gratitude,

449
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Speaker 2: and we'll talk about how people can get that.

450
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Speaker 4: Yeah, from turning pain into power. That's what the message is.

451
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Speaker 4: And I really wrote it to give back as a

452
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Speaker 4: way to sort of encourage people no matter what.

453
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Speaker 5: You go through, whatever it is. But readers all read.

454
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Speaker 4: The fourth terrible things that happened to me, and the

455
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Speaker 4: armed robbery was like the last straw.

456
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 5: And it just kind of I was physically hit.

457
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Speaker 4: Over the head and it made me have to reevaluate

458
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Speaker 4: my life and sort of think about how I was

459
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Speaker 4: living and the choices I was made king and how

460
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Speaker 4: I wanted the rest of my life to look. And

461
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 4: so that's how the book came about. It's quite an

462
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Speaker 4: easy read, and it's for readers to just work on

463
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Speaker 4: anything that they're going through to motivate them and to

464
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Speaker 4: help them move from it.

465
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Speaker 2: Well, the thing that would that frightens me about it

466
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Speaker 2: is that all of us do things that are dangerous,

467
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: and we understand they're dangerous. So you get on an airplane.

468
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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but every time on an

469
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: airplane taking off, I say a little prayer. And I

470
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Speaker 2: realized that airplane travelers is intellectually safe. And I also

471
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Speaker 2: know I do this thing. Do you really okay driving

472
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Speaker 2: an automobile if you're not really paying attention and you

473
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: and you could you could have people have bad accidents

474
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: all the time. But you're in a salon. You've had

475
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 2: a many petty as my wife would say, Uh, so

476
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: you're very relaxed. And all of a sudden, you said,

477
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Speaker 2: I believe in the article that I read that you

478
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 2: thought it was round Halloween. If you thought it was

479
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 2: some sort of Halloween prank. Yeah, I'm assuming these guys, Yeah,

480
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: I thought that.

481
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Speaker 5: What for a split second, Yes, I thought it was

482
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Speaker 5: a prank.

483
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Speaker 2: Right, But these guys are coming in obviously, I'm assuming

484
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Speaker 2: if they're doing something this desperate, they got a drug problem,

485
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Speaker 2: this feeling in.

486
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I to be honest, it was they didn't get

487
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 4: a ton of money or jewelry. It wasn't like, you know,

488
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Speaker 4: a bank robbery or something. So and they ended up

489
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Speaker 4: getting caught after they did ten of these robberies. So

490
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Speaker 4: they were not the smartest guys to.

491
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Speaker 1: Start off with, let's just face it.

492
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Speaker 6: But it was.

493
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Speaker 4: It was crazy to think, and I joke about all

494
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 4: of the things I've worried about in my life, I

495
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 4: never worried about that. And that's why I often tell

496
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 4: my kids, half the things you worry about will never happen.

497
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 4: It'll be the things you don't worry about, So don't worry.

498
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're hit, I im media write in all probability. Yeah,

499
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: but something like this. And then the thing that really

500
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: bothers me as I read the account. If these guys

501
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 2: were druggies or they needed money or whatever, they could

502
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: have come in. They could have taken the money. Everybody

503
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: would have complied. There was no pushback from the people

504
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: who you were there, and yet they brutalized everybody.

505
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 5: And that's what scared me the most. I always assumed.

506
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Speaker 4: That if you were robbed, you would just give them

507
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 4: the goods. It would be fine, it wouldn't be a problem.

508
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 4: That that was not the case. They insisted on coming

509
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 4: in violently with guns drawn, beating. They kicks this young

510
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 4: girl in the face physically like it was horrific and

511
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 4: went on to shoot people. There was no need for that.

512
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Speaker 4: It's not like we were resisting, but they wanted to.

513
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 4: They wanted to put fear into people so that they

514
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 4: would be submissive. And it was never what I thought

515
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 4: would happen and a robbery. I always thought, oh, I'll

516
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 4: just give them the goods kind of my wallet, it

517
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 4: won't be a problem.

518
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: And it was a problem that you're still dealing with.

519
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: So so the book is from Attitude to Gratitude. What

520
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: what part of of Atlanta? I've been to Atlanta and

521
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: I know that Buckhead, Well that's exactly what I was thinking.

522
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: That's a great area.

523
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's beautiful area.

524
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: It's sort of like what we have here in Boston.

525
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: I know, if you've been to Boston Cary, but we

526
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: have the Back Bay and uh yeah, you know, we

527
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: had the High.

528
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 4: Very nice area, you know, beautiful private schools and nice

529
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 4: homes and they have a lot of security. But it

530
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 4: was just one of those fluke things that.

531
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Speaker 2: Wrong place, wrong time. Yes, yeah, I mean if you

532
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: if you had gotten the MANI penny the next day,

533
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: you never would have experienced. But it's but it has

534
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: come to a book from Attitude to Gratitude and you

535
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: also then after this appeared in the the Bravos Married

536
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Speaker 2: to Medicine series, So.

537
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 4: Yes, So that had to be on a break from filming,

538
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 4: and I made sure I went through a lot to

539
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 4: make sure it was out of the newspapers and nobody

540
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 4: knew my name because I was very worried about family.

541
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 4: But then when we started filming, they hadn't captured the

542
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 4: guys yet and so I was afraid that they were

543
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 4: going to come and get me or find me. So

544
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 4: I was really cognizant about not letting anything be in

545
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 4: the paper, not mentioning it, and that's the reason I

546
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 4: never brought it off at the time.

547
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: Well, it's great that you were that you were able

548
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: to keep that out of the paper. Not everybody would. Yeah,

549
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: that's that lucky. So I'm assuming that the book is

550
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: available at bookstores, and of course it's always available on Amazon.

551
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: Are you coming to Boston and doing any sort of

552
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: a book signing? I was like that, I.

553
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 4: Would love that to do. I would love to do something,

554
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 4: but Boston. I am going to be doing things around

555
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 4: the country. It is available everywhere books are sold distributed

556
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 4: through someone in SUSTA, so people can pick up a

557
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 4: copy and.

558
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: They know how to they know how to get in

559
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: contact with you with the publisher. We have a lot

560
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: of bookstores and a lot of the authors stop in,

561
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: if not in Boston proper in and around the city.

562
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: So I hope that some of our uh you know,

563
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: entrepreneurs will We'll get in touch with you and you

564
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: get a chance to be up here. People get a

565
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: chance to meet you, Carrie Well is a really lot

566
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: of conversation. Thank you for sharing with us, and have

567
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: to beat you someday. Thanks so much when we get back.

568
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: This has been a coup tough few weeks now. Iran

569
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: is making all sorts of threats as I'm sure you

570
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: were aware that public spaces, recreation areas. We're going to

571
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 2: talk with Rory Moran. He's the director of Executive Production

572
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: and Threat Analysis at the United Security Incorporated, former supervisory

573
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: special agent with the US Secret Service. We have a

574
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Speaker 2: lot of stuff coming to Boston this year, Marathon on FIFA,

575
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: the World Cup two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, and so

576
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: much more. I can't wait to talk with Rory Moran.

577
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: After Rory, we'll get into the nine o'clock hour, we'll

578
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: be talking with Larry Calderon, the president of the Boston

579
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: Police Patrolman's Association. They are very upset with the alacrity

580
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: with which this manslaughter of charge has been filed against

581
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Speaker 2: Boston police officer Nicholas O'Malley, someone who has a really

582
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: good record, a young individual, and he now is facing

583
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: some serious charges. Larry called around will explain why the

584
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: union is as upset with the way this came down.

585
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Nightside right after this quick break.

586
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

587
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Speaker 2: All Right, I'm delighted to welcome and introduce Rory Moran.

588
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: He's the director of Executive Production and Threat Analysis. Said,

589
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: you know, I did Security Incorporated, a former supervisory special

590
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: agent with the US Secret Service. Rory, welcome to Night's

591
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: I thank you for your service to the country.

592
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 6: Thank you for having me Dan, so honor and pleasure

593
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 6: to be on with you tonight.

594
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Speaker 2: Well, what era were you in the Secret Service? How

595
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: recently or what years we with the Secret Service?

596
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 6: I started in two thousand and I retired in twenty

597
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 6: twenty two.

598
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: Some interesting times there, and I'm sure you had up

599
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: close and personal experiences. All of us understand the danger

600
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: that Secret Service officers and of course any law enforcement

601
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: officers put themselves every day when they go to work.

602
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: Things are certainly heating up as to what has happened

603
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: in Iran. As great an achievement, I think it would

604
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: be if we could keep run off the nuclear stage,

605
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: and I think the military is doing a great job

606
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: at this time. The threat level here is going to

607
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: be up in the next few months. Do you think

608
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Speaker 2: we'll be we will be able to be up to that.

609
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the way things work inside the government,

610
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: you know the way things work in private business. You've

611
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: got to be worried for the next few months. I mean,

612
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: I assume many intelligent American is worried about what might happen.

613
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, I mean law enforcement, the government, you know,

614
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 6: they are intelligence agencies, and even in the private sector. Yeah,

615
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 6: I think we're we're worried. You know, the threat level

616
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 6: is elevated, but it's it's nothing we're not used to.

617
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Speaker 6: Right in the mid two thousands, with the Iraq War

618
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 6: and the war in Afghanistan at the height, we were

619
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Speaker 6: seeing the same types of threat level. You know in

620
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Speaker 6: the US and globally, and I think the intelligence agents

621
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Speaker 6: are all working together and communicating. I think, you know,

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Speaker 6: I think everybody, even with the elevated threat levels, I

623
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 6: think everybody should be able to go out and enjoy

624
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 6: the events and feel safe.

625
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: Well, we had, we had the experience in Boston and

626
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: the Boston Marathon bombing back in twenty thirteen. You obviously

627
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: were involved at that point with the Secret Service, and

628
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 2: it just we as a country have been so open

629
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Speaker 2: to allowing people to come here in various ways, sometimes

630
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: correctly and sometimes not correctly. The two brothers who you know,

631
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 2: bombed the Boston Marathon and killed individuals, killed an MIT

632
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: police officer. They'd come here, they took advantage of every

633
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 2: program that we had to offer. They had subsidized housing,

634
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: they went to public schools. They were given everything by

635
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: this country, but the amount of hate. And one of them,

636
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: of course, died in the shootout. The other one is

637
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 2: out at Superman some Colorado and his lawyers are still

638
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: fighting to prevent to prevent the death penalty, which in

639
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: my opinion, he so richly deserves. Do we need to

640
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: toughen up as a country in terms of dealing with

641
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: these folks? Who will come here and uh and and

642
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: literally you know, blow up road races or you know,

643
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Speaker 2: I I fear. I don't even want to mention to

644
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: you what I fear. But but you know what I'm

645
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: talking about is, you know, have we just become I

646
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: don't know, too comfortable with this danger and and and

647
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: and it happened so often. I mean, we see what

648
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: the guy did down in in Austin, Texas. The guy

649
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: that hits the synagogue outside of Detroit. The other guy

650
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 2: the other day, this guy who had pledged isis that

651
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 2: six years in prison? Uh and and and gets out

652
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: and and kills at r OTC the colonel.

653
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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: I love freedom as much as anybody, but we also

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Speaker 2: need to have some security.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think most recently with the borders being

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Speaker 6: more secure, I think, but like you said that the

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Speaker 6: people the hatreds still for America is still there. But

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Speaker 6: it's the greatest country in the world. And that's why

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Speaker 6: the people that come here they want to come here.

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Speaker 6: And then you have you know, most recently we saw

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Speaker 6: very similar to the two brothers that the Boston marathon

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Speaker 6: bombing up in New York City, we had two brothers

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Speaker 6: that were born here in the US, raised in the

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Speaker 6: suburbs of Philadelphia. Yeah, and they were radicalized by traveling

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Speaker 6: overseas and hanging around with the like minded individuals. And

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Speaker 6: however they get radicalized, whether it be on the Internet

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Speaker 6: and whatnot. They just tried to mirror what the Boston

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Speaker 6: bombers did in New York City and luckily their bomb

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Speaker 6: makes these skills were not that good and nobody was injured.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, it's I think, like you said, we're comfortable

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Speaker 6: with it, but it's still not right and we have

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Speaker 6: to figure out a way to stay ahead of it.

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Speaker 2: What trouble me about the New York City situation, I

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Speaker 2: did not realize that they were brothers, by the way,

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Speaker 2: I thought that. I thought the names were.

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Speaker 6: I think they were. I'm sorry, they weren't brothers.

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Speaker 1: That they were.

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Speaker 6: They grew up and they went to high school together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, one of.

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Speaker 6: The yeah, one of the younger.

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Speaker 2: They traveled, They traveled extensively in the Middle East, and

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Speaker 2: I would think that we would have some records of

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Speaker 2: why are eighteen year old kids from you know, from

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Speaker 2: mainline Philadelphia neighborhoods heading over to the Middle East as

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Speaker 2: often these guys apparently went back and forth several several times.

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Speaker 2: Why was that not some red flag? I guess is what?

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Speaker 2: You know? I you know, my liberal friends always are

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Speaker 2: telling me all the government's watch us and all that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure the government is watching us, to be

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Speaker 2: honest with you, and I don't want the government watching us.

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Speaker 2: But where people are engaged in travel, uh, you know

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Speaker 2: that that would raise a red flag, or at least

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Speaker 2: raise a question. I mean, if those bombs had worked

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Speaker 2: in New York, they wanted to kill more people and

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Speaker 2: injure more people than the Boston bombers. That's that's what

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Speaker 2: I understood, they said.

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Speaker 6: Right now, That's that's correct.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So so how does something like that And I'm

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Speaker 2: not trying to put you on the spot, but but

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Speaker 2: do we need to be more cognizant of people who

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Speaker 2: were flying, you know, from the US to those countries

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Speaker 2: that have that that isis population?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: You know, I think that we keep records of where

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Speaker 2: people have been, and you know, I know every time

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Speaker 2: I come back in the country, I got to show

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Speaker 2: my passport.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And I think the intelligence saving agencies they're working, right,

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Speaker 6: they work they or with other intelligence agencies overseas and

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Speaker 6: they work together, but I think they're overwhelmed and they

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Speaker 6: can't keep up. And like these two young individuals from

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Speaker 6: Pennsylvania most recently, they flew under the radar and were

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Speaker 6: able to go over and get their training and come back. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what else. I don't know how much

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Speaker 6: more monitor we can do on travel. I think that

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Speaker 6: it's just too much for the intelligence agencies to keep

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Speaker 6: up with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'll tell you they you could. I just

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Speaker 2: I just am apprehensive. It's a similarity. I had a

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Speaker 2: lot of friends of mine who ended up in working

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Speaker 2: for like atf FBI and all of that, and I

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Speaker 2: know how much danger they put themselves in, and how

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Speaker 2: much how much danger you put yourself in, Rory. Most

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Speaker 2: folks come on here, they'd like to plug a book

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Speaker 2: or something. How can people get in touch or with

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Speaker 2: your company if they need executive protection protection? Tell us?

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Speaker 2: Tell us how folks can get in touch with you? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 6: So I work for a private security company. We're called

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Speaker 6: United Security Incorporated. We are headquartered in New Jersey, but

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Speaker 6: we have a footprint up the Northeast, and we have

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Speaker 6: a big footprint in Boston. We have a lot of

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Speaker 6: commercial We do a lot of commercial real estate in Boston.

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Speaker 6: We do everything from unarmed guard work, executive protection, technology.

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Speaker 6: We have a technology division. We also have a cyber division.

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Speaker 6: So we're like kind of we look at security a

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Speaker 6: holistic approach. You know, we'll come in and you know,

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Speaker 6: we do security assessments. When I meet with my clients

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Speaker 6: and executive protection, we'll offer them a physical security assessment

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Speaker 6: of their homes where they work, and then we also

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Speaker 6: with that we throw in a cyber threat intelligence assessment.

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Speaker 6: Give people a little bit eye opening on what's going on,

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Speaker 6: how exposed they are in the on the internet, in

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Speaker 6: the dark web. So yeah, we're United Security Incorporated. We're

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Speaker 6: so the.

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Speaker 2: Website, what is the website? Its most people they will

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Speaker 2: be able to remember the.

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Speaker 6: Website usisecurity dot com perfect.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed our conversation and it's good to know

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Speaker 2: that there are people like yourself who are who are

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Speaker 2: out there working for our protection. Rory Moran, director of

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Speaker 2: Executive Protection Threat Analysis at United Security Incorporated, Thanks so much, Rory,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your time tonight.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Dan, have a great night. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to stay safe. We get back when we talked

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Speaker 2: with Larry Calderon, the head of the Boston Police Patrolman's Association,

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Speaker 2: about this allegation of manslaughter that has been lodged against

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Speaker 2: officer Nicholas O'Malley. We'll be back on Night's side right

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Speaker 2: after this