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Speaker 3: Two minutes thirty seven seconds past the hour of three

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Speaker 3: o'clock Central Standard time, we welcome you back to the

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Speaker 3: Bumper to Bumpet program on a rather crisp, rather chilly

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Speaker 3: Wednesday afternoon here in the twin cities of Minneapolis and

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Speaker 3: Saint Paul. My name is Dan Barrero, the host of

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Speaker 3: the program guards he produces the show at least will early.

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Speaker 2: You're bailing about four thirty? Is that the rumor?

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Speaker 3: That's the plan. That's the plan. Got to head back

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Speaker 3: to the barn where I was last night. We as

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Speaker 3: a spectator. The women knock off the twenty second ranked

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Speaker 3: USC They were twenty one when the Gods when the

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Speaker 3: Gophers beat them on Sunday. Yep uh, first time in

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Speaker 3: the women's program they've beaten the ranked team since the

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Speaker 3: share a little, Johnny, is that pretty close? It was

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. Yeah, it had been a while. Remember her,

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Speaker 3: I do. I see her picture every day when I

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Speaker 3: the hallway of coaches that didn't go well, did it,

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Speaker 3: as I recall, not really that as a head coach,

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Speaker 3: I don't think right, not particularly. No, although I believe

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Speaker 3: she did recruit Lindsay Whalen, Is that right? I'm pretty

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Speaker 3: sure she might have a better memory than me on that.

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Speaker 3: I think Whalen played for her her freshman year. I'm

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Speaker 3: pretty sure close. Serget to Whaleen. You can confirm or

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Speaker 3: deny that. I test she's like in Prague or overseas.

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Speaker 3: I says she was far away. Not heard from her lately.

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Speaker 3: Scouting for her wbh Okay, okay, that's my guest. So

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Speaker 3: she's in it, man, she's diving in now embedded. That's it, embedded.

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Speaker 3: It's all that matters. We're delighted you were along for

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Speaker 3: today's three and a half hour ride. Even if Guardsy

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Speaker 3: is to leave early for go FORER women's basketball duties.

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Speaker 3: Going to be a powerpack program while he's here in

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Speaker 3: do you have a an injury update on special k

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Speaker 3: Pat Kessler? Yeah, I got a text early this morning

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Speaker 3: said he will not be in today, and I think

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Speaker 3: he's got the flu. He's I'm I'm did he blame

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Speaker 3: me for it? I didn't come up no, because I've

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Speaker 3: been battling. I don't really think I had the flu.

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Speaker 3: I had a head cold that went into and it

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Speaker 3: did start affecting my voice, but I don't think I

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Speaker 3: him last time, and he gets very Yes, how we

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Speaker 2: Fussy's a good way pay age. I understand that.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's funny that you say that. It's very funny

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Speaker 3: you say that. Because here's the text exchange this morning. Okay, Kessler,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry to do this on short notice, but I'm

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Speaker 3: really sick with the cold slash flu kicking my assince

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Speaker 3: But no voice in heavy cough. And then, because he

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Speaker 3: at your age, you can't be too careful. Yeah, that's undeniable.

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Speaker 3: He was mad about that. He said I was looking

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Speaker 2: Twenty five years ago.

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Speaker 3: Today, as many of you probably have been reminded, something

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Speaker 3: cataclysmic took place in Minnesota Viking's history, and I will

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Speaker 3: And to help us commemorate and celebrate it, one of

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Speaker 3: the way, quick stat look back. That, of course, is

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Speaker 3: Passing yards New York Giants three eighty US sixty.

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Speaker 3: two plays and for a call, didn't I think they

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Speaker 2: That's how interested we were in stopping them.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say I can't verify that because I

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Speaker 3: of course, I stay with it. I'm an ambulance chaser. Now, Well,

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Speaker 3: you were there right there, Yeah, I had. I was

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Speaker 3: at Aaron Goldstein's house in the dine in Minnesota. I

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Speaker 3: had no problem moving on to other things that Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: it's Mahomes. Kerry Collins never played that well before since? Correct,

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Speaker 3: that was his Braden Carrington night.

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Speaker 2: That's true. Did you see the game? It was?

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Speaker 3: In fact, it was fourteen to nothing in the first quarter,

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Speaker 3: berger years ago you reminded me of this has been

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Speaker 3: That's true. It's very true, Davy. So here's the here's

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Speaker 3: the text I sent, do you have it in you

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Speaker 3: to talk? Twenty fifth anniversary of forty one donut? He

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Speaker 2: He called.

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Speaker 3: He said, now, when you say forty one donut, are

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Speaker 2: I thought he was kidding.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he didn't remember it as named by Randy Moss.

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Speaker 3: Moss is the guy who named it forty one Donut

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Speaker 3: after showing such a level of interest in the proceedings

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Speaker 3: It was weird, but that's Randy Moss. Randy Moss has

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Speaker 2: So Burger.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, if you have your our own

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Speaker 3: they might be unusual memories. Text me Ratshan Brian Kfan

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Speaker 3: for about three forty seven today. Kevin Siefert will be

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Speaker 3: a visit. I'm looking forward to this with a fellow

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Speaker 2: I assume you have.

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Speaker 3: To be officially in your official on your business card,

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Speaker 4: It just says assistant coach. But they kind of the

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Speaker 3: To be hon with you guys me we're looking forward

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Speaker 3: to it very much for a number of reasons. My

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Speaker 3: start with, are you going to be able to find

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Speaker 3: a way to get to Miami, Florida Monday night?

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Speaker 2: Can you be?

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Speaker 3: Can you receive what's called in the business, an excused

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Speaker 3: absence to watch your Indiana Hoosiers try to make history

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Speaker 3: by winning their first national championship.

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Speaker 4: I wish I could. However, I would think of the

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Speaker 4: fact that until I hit from people that I was

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Speaker 4: an Indiana alum as far as football went until the

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and now.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's come now that would work. You know, everybody's does

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Speaker 4: an alter old letterman coats and all this and that

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Speaker 4: be watching. Unfortunately I won't be able to be there

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Speaker 4: in person that we will be in in Utah. But however,

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Speaker 4: it's it's exciting times for sure for all Indiana alums

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Speaker 4: and I think college football fans. You know, it's you know,

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Speaker 3: I also am an IU alum. I'm a little older

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Speaker 3: than you. I graduated undergrad seventy seven and then hung

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Speaker 3: You're being self deprecating, and I understand that, but I

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Speaker 4: Oh that is great, small world.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get to what took place last night.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so everybody a little bit more higher. And

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Speaker 3: If you will, Wolves assistant coach Mike and Nory kind

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Speaker 3: definitely at the half, I think, and maybe even later

434
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 3: in the game. You honest was not particularly pleased about that.

435
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 3: But then again, I don't know. I don't know what

436
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 3: one might expect given what looked to me like a

437
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 3: very casual approach, at least defensively.

438
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 2: By the Bucks. If you get killed that way.

439
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a more general question about the

440
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 3: condition of the club.

441
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: The numbers are good.

442
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 3: You got if I think the best record the last

443
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 3: what is it, six weeks or so in the league.

444
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,239
Speaker 2: It appears some things. Well, I'll just ask you.

445
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 3: Do you see common threads on what's coming together here

446
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 3: that has put you in a position where you guys

447
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 3: seem to be playing very good basketball.

448
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think you know, just a track record that

449
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 4: we've had the last few years. And what I mean

450
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 4: by that was, you know, you go to the Western

451
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 4: Conference finals before we make the big trade, you know

452
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 4: where Kat goes to New York and we get Julius

453
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 4: and Dante and so and even prior to that, you know,

454
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 4: the year before, when you're adding pieces like Rudy. It

455
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 4: just feels like every year there's been a transition. What

456
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 4: I mean by that is you Rudy, and then you

457
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 4: had Rudy with Kat and then you had Julius last year,

458
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 4: and then this year we obviously lose Nikkiel and we're

459
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 4: starting Dante. So that's a bit of a change as

460
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 4: far as just the personnel. So there's always been that

461
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 4: when you look at it, just that that's just the

462
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 4: stuff you can see. But I think the one thing

463
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 4: that Coach Finch does a great job of and our

464
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 4: guys do a great job of. Number One, We've always defended,

465
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 4: and that's been a you know, part of our identity.

466
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 4: So that will always keep us in basketball games. And

467
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 4: you hear a lot now in playoffs as these football players.

468
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 4: For you know, defense travels, so every night, if you defend,

469
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 4: you're going to have an opportunity to win the basketball game.

470
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 4: We have some very very good players, obviously, with led

471
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 4: by Anthony an All Star, and Rudy Defensive Player of

472
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 4: the Year, and then Julius who's been an All Star before.

473
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 4: So just that town alone, but it still takes time

474
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 4: just to figure out everybody finding their new roles. You know,

475
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 4: Dante's now starting instead of coming off the bench. We

476
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 4: don't have Ni Kiell, so now you're finding minutes for

477
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 4: whether it be Jalen Clark, TJ Rob All, you know,

478
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 4: Bones Highland like trying to figure out that role. And

479
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 4: now we've kind of started to figure that out. We've

480
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 4: gotten to a good groove, and it just all always

481
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 4: seems like it's I know, we got to a great

482
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 4: start two years ago, but even last year we were

483
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 4: kind of hovering around five hundred. But we've just seem

484
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 4: to stop this mid season, just everything kind of starts

485
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 4: falling into place. And I think it might even the

486
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 4: rhythm of the season where now we're basically playing every

487
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 4: other game, and so the guys are just you know,

488
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 4: it's play one day of practice or prep or whatnot,

489
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 4: and then play and then they get into a good

490
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 4: rhythm and just things are starting to fall into place.

491
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 4: Guys are figuring out who they are, where their minutes

492
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 4: are going to go, what their actual role is on

493
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 4: this team, and you start to see where the consistency

494
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 4: can build. And that's the biggest thing.

495
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 3: You know, something you said earlier is sticking with me.

496
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 3: I think you said, effort is a skill in this league,

497
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 3: and there are people are going to hear that, and

498
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 3: they're going to go, oh, that's a little bit scary,

499
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 3: that's a little bit frightening. Explain what you mean by that,

500
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 3: and explain why that should be a skill and not

501
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 3: a given.

502
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think the reason why I say that because

503
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 4: there's eighty two games, and again not the leaguer of

504
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 4: the point whatnot. But like you said, we're playing in

505
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 4: Milwaukee with a couple of our guys out. It's a

506
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 4: it's a you know, Monday night or whatever it may be,

507
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,239
Speaker 4: Tuesday night, whatever it may be. And it's just it's

508
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 4: been very easy to not necessarily mail it in but

509
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 4: go through the motions and but to get up to

510
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 4: play with the you know, and again, I know these guys.

511
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 4: We stay in very nice hotels, we travel very well,

512
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 4: but it's still a grind and and it is difficult.

513
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 4: Guys have bumps and bruises and all this. But to

514
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 4: be able to play as hard as you possibly can

515
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 4: every time you're on the floor, it sounds like it's

516
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 4: a given. And then you know a lot of common people.

517
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 4: We all think that it should be, but it is

518
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 4: difficult to do. And because what I mean by that

519
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 4: is every single night, like it'd be easy to take

520
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 4: a possession off defensively, right, Hey, I might not get

521
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 4: back this. I turned it over. I'm not going to

522
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 4: get back because we have four back if they score

523
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 4: those two points with six minutes to go in the

524
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 4: second quarter, to you know, oh, well we'll get the

525
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 4: next possession. But to play hard and give everything you

526
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 4: have with multiple efforts, and you know, you set a

527
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 4: screen and then you roll. Well, I might not sprint

528
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 4: through to role, I might not get the ball, but

529
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 4: you might. When you sprint, you might force a tag

530
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 4: from the weak's side, which opens up a shot for

531
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 4: somebody else. So when you do those things at a high,

532
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 4: high level consistently, the reason why I say that's a skill,

533
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 4: because it's just human nature to be like, ah, this one,

534
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 4: maybe I don't have to close out as hard, maybe

535
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 4: save my breath, save my legs a little bit for

536
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 4: the next possession. But that's why I say, when you

537
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 4: see guys like Johan and There's they stand out, they

538
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 4: really do. And I think you know you can go

539
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 4: through the league and pick and we've all seen them

540
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 4: guys that just give everything they have every moment they're

541
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 4: on the floor. And that's not taking away from the

542
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 4: other guys. Everybody's playing hard, but when you when you

543
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 4: see it every single possession, that is a skill. And

544
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 4: I think that a lot of guys and it's just

545
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 4: like availability, that's a skill. I mean getting football obviously

546
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 4: more so there, but just being available, being able, being

547
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 4: on the floor and playing for your team and not

548
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 4: being injured. You know, Unfortunately you see it like in

549
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 4: Philadelphia with MB Here's a guy that you know is

550
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 4: an MVP level, but he misses a lot of games

551
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 4: and just and you feel bad that he just can't

552
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 4: stay healthy. But the failability is also a skill. And

553
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 4: I think that that's what I'm speaking of when I

554
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 4: talk about playing hard being a skill.

555
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 3: And in your experience now you know and we all

556
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: assume that eventually you'd like to be a head coach

557
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 3: in this league. Give me the breakdown if you had

558
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 3: to percentage wise between the x'es and o's and the

559
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: handling of personalities and egos in terms of importance, is.

560
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: It fifty to fifty?

561
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 3: Is it eighty twenty these days, handling players or how

562
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: would you how would you break that down?

563
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 4: I think when I started, you know, thirty years ago,

564
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 4: I used to think a lot more of it was

565
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 4: x's and o's and just you know, trying to find

566
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 4: guys open shots and how you defend guys and all this.

567
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 4: Now I think it's then I would say that it

568
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 4: would have been eighty twenty or closer to fifty to

569
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 4: fifty in that regard. Now I think it's twenty percent

570
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 4: x'es and o's eighty percent of handling people, handling egos.

571
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 4: Talks about what we're what we're just talking about getting

572
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 4: guys to play eighty two nights of the year, not

573
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 4: to take nights off, finding something a reason for them

574
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 4: to play, obviously other than just to win game. But

575
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 4: you know, but you bring it every single night. And

576
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 4: I think when you talk about x's and o's, the

577
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 4: way the rules are now and it's good. You know,

578
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 4: everybody's trying to shoot breeze and everybody's looking for you know,

579
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 4: it's such an analytically driven game and that feeds so

580
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 4: much into game plan. So a lot of your work

581
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 4: is done for you. I mean, you can you can

582
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 4: look up and see, Hey, on every drive that you know,

583
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 4: whoever's had that, they love to go left, all right,

584
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 4: let's force the right. They like to pull up, so

585
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 4: you know what people are doing tendency wise. So that

586
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 4: cuts your time and preparation down. But my point is,

587
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 4: and Dan, it's a very very good question. Nowadays, you're

588
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 4: either switching, pick and roll, so in other words, like

589
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 4: you're guarding one guy, you just pass them off, or

590
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 4: there's a deep drop, which we try to do a

591
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 4: lot to keep Rudy at the rim to protect, or

592
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 4: you're up at the level blitzing and getting the ball

593
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 4: out of good player's hands, like if you want to

594
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 4: make Luca pass it and no other. So there's three

595
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 4: different things. So and over the course of eighty two

596
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 4: games you see the same defense as so much. It's

597
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 4: just like, hey, tonight's a switch game, tonight's the drop game.

598
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 4: Tonight's say So you have those built in and it's

599
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 4: just a matter of maintaining guys. Is you know, they're

600
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 4: all going to have bad knights. They're human beings. They

601
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 4: have some tough days with whatever's going on in their lives.

602
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 4: So just making sure you're in constant communication with them,

603
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 4: understanding them and you and I know it's old cliche,

604
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 4: but letting them know you care about them before you know,

605
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 4: and they have to know you care, as opposed to

606
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 4: just using them as pawns and pieces to try to

607
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 4: put them in position to be successful. I think it's

608
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 4: a very very good question, and I think you're right on.

609
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 4: You've nailed it. That essentially, the way the rules are now,

610
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 4: the way these kids and the way just everybody's, the

611
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 4: way everybody's growing up now. It's everything's tiktoks and instagram

612
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 4: and reels, and so you can't go and sit through

613
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 4: a thirty minute film session. You could, but they just

614
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 4: it's just not the way that the players are nowadays.

615
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: And I think that's the way that that young people

616
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: are nowadays. So you have to be able to communicate

617
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 4: with them. You have to be able to understand what's

618
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 4: going on with them. And so I completely agree with

619
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 4: your with your guests, not even guests, with your statement

620
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 4: that it is much more now relationships and getting in

621
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 4: that type of thing as a post x as a nose.

622
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: All right.

623
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: You're known for your honesty and for your candor, especially

624
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 3: when it comes to some of those halftime you know, interviews,

625
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 3: but other times as well. So I'm hoping you can

626
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: be as honest as you can to answer this question

627
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: when the Wolves when when when Tim Conley made the

628
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: move to get Dilly, to get Dillingham. I was in

629
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: the group that lauded the move. A lot of the

630
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: people I respect in college basketball who had watched him play, said,

631
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: that's the guy that the sneaky good pick. He's going

632
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: to end up being a really, really good pro. And

633
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 3: I'm not saying his career is over by any means,

634
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: but clearly it's gone slower than I'm assuming he wanted

635
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: or that any of you had hoped as well. And

636
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: it certainly looks like now he might be left behind

637
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: now injuries can change that.

638
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: But where.

639
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: What What is it in your mind and maybe in

640
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: the minds of the entire staff that he needs to

641
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: get better at to give himself off a better chance

642
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: to get himself in the good graces of the staff.

643
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: Is certainly the head coach.

644
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: Well, I think that, you know, being honest about it,

645
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 4: like you say, I think that number one Rob is

646
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 4: still very very young, as we know a lot of

647
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 4: times and being in around this for as long as

648
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 4: I have, and you know, talking with people a lot

649
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 4: of times, point guard is very difficult to play in

650
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 4: the NBA, especially at a young age, and especially a

651
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 4: guy that he was. You know, the one year in college.

652
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: That he was.

653
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 4: It wasn't like he was three year in college. So

654
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: sincely he could be a junior in college right now.

655
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: And I think that the big thing is it's very difficult.

656
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 4: Most people say that it takes three years minimum in

657
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 4: the NBA to get a good feel of what, you know,

658
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 4: playing the point guard position. And I think the one

659
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 4: thing that's been difficult for Rob is Rob has been

660
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 4: a score from the time that he was eight nine

661
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 4: years old, and that is fine, and what we're trying

662
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 4: to help him do, and what he's trying to do

663
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 4: is become more of a point guard, which is, you know,

664
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 4: break the paint penetrate and then pass it out and

665
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 4: kick it out in that type of things. And I

666
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 4: think the one thing that has been an adjustment for

667
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 4: him is that in the NBA you've got taller, longer,

668
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 4: more athletic guys at every position, and I think that

669
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 4: so that's been an adjustment for him. And as a

670
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 4: smaller guard, calling it what it is. It's not like

671
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 4: he's six' eight or has The Luca dantic size or

672
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 4: those type of you, know those big guards that can

673
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 4: throw The he is a smaller, guard which is. Fine

674
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 4: so it takes them a little bit longer to find

675
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 4: their niche to be able to navigate all the length

676
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 4: and the height in the paint and just getting to his.

677
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 4: Spots and then, defensively you, know he HAS i will

678
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 4: give him credit for. Sure he has competed at a

679
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 4: high level defensively and trying to. Compete and it is

680
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 4: a match up league like you talk about x's and

681
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 4: o's or dealing with you, know the things that everybody

682
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 4: just basically looks down and, Go, okay what guy do

683
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 4: we want to? Attack, defensively and because Of rob's, statures

684
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 4: sometimes they will go at. Him but he's done a

685
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 4: very good job of trying to you, know he's never

686
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 4: been a show, guy like when we talk, about, hey

687
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 4: we're going to get you to show. Attack so all

688
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 4: that has been a learning curve and so for him

689
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 4: as he's trying to take all that information and then

690
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 4: do it on the fly at the highest level with

691
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 4: a team that has championship. Aspirations that's where it's. DIFFICULT

692
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 4: i think that's the one thing that people have to

693
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 4: realize is that If rob was the eighth pick In

694
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: washington or the eighth pick In charlotte and no offense

695
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 4: to those, Teams but if you can just run him

696
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: out there every single night and really not care about

697
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 4: the outcome of the, result you'd have a different story

698
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 4: as opposed to a team that is trying to is

699
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 4: a tooth bin to The Western Conference finals twice and

700
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 4: trying to take that next. Step so he's got a

701
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 4: tough job trying to do, that and he's under that

702
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 4: microscope because you, know you put him in for games

703
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 4: and people are, like, well, wow he doesn't get much

704
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 4: run here or. There but that's because we are literally

705
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 4: trying to win every single, game as opposed to we're

706
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 4: not trying to. Develop we, are but we Want it's

707
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 4: very difficult to win and, develop if that makes. Sense

708
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 4: So i'm with. You i'm in the. Camp i'm A

709
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 4: Rob dillingham. FAN i think by no means is he

710
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 4: on the on the. Out it's just a matter of

711
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 4: we're trying to win. Games phones. Playing bones has been

712
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 4: playing very very well and you're gonna have growing pains

713
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: with again with a kid that played one year in

714
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 4: college and is trying to play point guard in the

715
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 4: best league in the. World and SO i think that

716
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 4: he's and he's been more he has to have had

717
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 4: to change his game a little, bit and that's. Difficult

718
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: it's not like he could just come in and be

719
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 4: a wing and just get down here or be Like.

720
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 4: Johann johann's a rolling big and an energy guy everywhere he's.

721
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 4: Been But rob has had to change a little bit

722
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 4: and become more of a point guard than a score

723
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 4: and he's trying to do, that and he's continued to

724
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 4: develop to do, that and he's doing it underneath the toughest,

725
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 4: circumstances which is do it on a team that is

726
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 4: trying to win a championship with very good players and

727
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 4: not a whole lot of room for. Development you, will.

728
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: Is it simplistic to say for this, team given the

729
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 3: position it's in as you, say which is to make,

730
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: runs could you possibly have used him or tried to

731
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 3: use him AS I, well we'll get to the point

732
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 3: guard stuff. Later we just we need a bench player

733
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: to get give us some. Points just go in and

734
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 3: look for your.

735
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: Shot is that?

736
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: Simplistic is that impossible based on the other things that

737
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 3: you know he has to deal with as a smaller,

738
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: player or is that is that a way you guys

739
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 3: could go or have thought about going with?

740
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 4: Him, yeah you could go that. Way AND i think

741
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 4: that the one thing, again the thing that's difficult is

742
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 4: and we just talked about why it's much easier now

743
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 4: to game plan all that because, everything and especially as

744
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 4: he's gotten a couple of years and even, college like

745
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 4: statistically what his everybody's game planning for him, now so

746
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 4: they know like what are his, tendencies and so a

747
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 4: lot of times what he's badding now is teams are

748
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 4: going under as opposed to chasing him over and turning

749
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 4: him loose. Downhill so now when you go, under they're

750
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 4: still in front of. You so a lot of that

751
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 4: is you have to to get them to stop going.

752
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 4: Under a lot of times it's just to pull up

753
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 4: and make a shot or to race the. Guy so

754
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: there's some things that is new to him that he's working,

755
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 4: on and that's why to say, that, yes you could

756
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 4: turn him loose as a, score but then the defenses

757
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 4: also are game planning for him and playing him in different,

758
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 4: situations and those are all things that again you look

759
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 4: AT i mean point guard in THE. NBA i, MEAN

760
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 4: i know law of your listens are probably football. People

761
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 4: it's like playing quarterback in THE. Nfl coverages and things

762
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 4: like this and making audibles and reads that you haven't,

763
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 4: seen and every single person on that defense can fly

764
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 4: around and is you, know think about playing the best

765
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 4: athletes that we've ever played, against you, know like even

766
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 4: back in high, school like OH i remember the one.

767
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 4: Guy imagine five of them being out. There and so for,

768
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 4: him it is it's a it's a learning curve at

769
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 4: the at the toughest position to learn in THE nba

770
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 4: and doing it at the highest. Level so, yes we

771
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 4: could go out there and, say Hey, rob go, score

772
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 4: but knowing that the defense is trying to not let

773
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 4: him do. That if you, Will i'm very.

774
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: Late one, last let's let's finish where we. BEGAN i

775
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 3: don't know how many contacts you still have, It, indiana

776
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: But i'm curious because everybody's trying to figure out what's

777
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: the secret sauce that signetti?

778
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: Represents do you?

779
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 4: Do you?

780
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: Do you are?

781
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: There people you talk to get there might be still

782
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 3: there or that you're connected with that can give us

783
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: any clues on how the hell he's pulled this.

784
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 4: OFF i think the big thing That i've heard from

785
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 4: people there is number. One you, know he went into the,

786
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 4: portal got a lot of his, guys, Yes James, Madison

787
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 4: and it sounds, crazy Very some of the things that

788
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 4: tie it back to what we're talking about With Rob

789
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 4: rob being you, know nineteen twenty year old. KID a

790
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 4: lot of our guys on that roster are twenty three

791
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 4: and twenty six years. Old, yes so you're talking about grown.

792
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 4: Men and THEN i think the other thing you talk,

793
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 4: about not necessarily x as And, o's but you talk about.

794
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 4: People it sounds like he's got really good people around.

795
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 4: Him it sounds like he. Believes and you know when

796
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 4: you talk about standards and all this and, that and you,

797
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 4: know if you give guys something to play for and

798
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 4: you see it and you present it and you show

799
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 4: him how to get there and give him a path

800
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 4: to it and they jump all over, it, well then

801
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 4: that momentum he has built has just carried over so

802
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 4: AND i think he's killed it in the. PORTAL i,

803
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 4: mean you, know you look at The cornando went and

804
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 4: got him and all that type of thing and just

805
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 4: and it's just good for. HIM i, MEAN i don't

806
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 4: think he could have done this. Back you, know even

807
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 4: little is seven eight nineteen hours when we were trying

808
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 4: to build a team with just high school. Seniors but

809
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 4: with this portal and being able to get some guys

810
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 4: there and implement his, system and you, KNOW i just,

811
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 4: REALIZED i, mean stame on. ME i didn't realize That

812
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 4: indiana had the largest living alumni in the whole. Country

813
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 4: SO i, know now with nil funds and all, this

814
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 4: everybody's opened up the. Chipbook so we got some, players

815
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 4: some money to buy some. Players.

816
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 5: There you.

817
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 3: Go really enjoyed the. Conversation, hope, definitely hope we can

818
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 3: do it. Again i'd love to try to get you

819
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: on from time to time because you're fun to talk.

820
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: To AND i appreciate the extended time.

821
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 4: Today, Absolutely and Go hoosiers and Go. Wolves and thank

822
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 4: you again for having Me. Dan sorry about the drop

823
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 4: call there in the middle of Mone not a.

824
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: Problem Thanks. Michaeh we'll talk so all, right take care The.

825
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: Wolves assistant Coach mike And norri good good stuff with

826
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,920
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827
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:59,040
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828
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,680
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829
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,279
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830
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,439
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831
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,040
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832
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,800
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00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,880
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834
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:42,960
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835
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,720
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836
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,440
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837
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,400
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00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,839
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00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,320
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842
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,719
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843
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,360
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844
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,880
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847
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848
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,240
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849
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,840
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850
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,399
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00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,000
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852
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,000
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853
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,239
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854
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:47,479
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855
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: Haha for the, record eighty four said it's going to

856
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,960
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857
00:40:54,040 --> 00:41:01,560
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858
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 3: i watched that, game the only THING i remember about

859
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,839
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860
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,160
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00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,840
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00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:16,160
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863
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: about that is The vikings went into that game. Cocky

864
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 3: that's WHAT i think hurt them more than deer in the.

865
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: Headlights they went into that game assuming that it was

866
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: going to be a, lock that it was going to be,

867
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: easy that that wasn't a particularly Good giants. Team even

868
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: though the game was going to be played In New

869
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: york and The giants just came out and from the

870
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: beginning just absolutely obliterated.

871
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: Them Mitch berger was.

872
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: There we've talked to, him been many years since we've

873
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 3: talked to him about forty one? Doughnut but why? Not

874
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 3: if not, now when is the best way to look at?

875
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 3: It and he now joins us via The Connectico Water systems.

876
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: Hotline you know what's interesting to. ME i looked at

877
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 3: the box. Score do you cared a? HAZARD a guess

878
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: or maybe what you think you know? About how many

879
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 3: times you punted in the forty one NOTHING nfc title game?

880
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: Loss is that? Right that?

881
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: Went?

882
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: Well why are we the only show that has phone?

883
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 3: Issues is there something that happens in? That is this

884
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: sabotuge in the? Afternoon you, THINK i think the equipment

885
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 3: just gets. Tired That's i'm wondering if it gets, cluttered

886
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: can it be rebooted in?

887
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: Something it's an eighty two game.

888
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: Season Like Mike noori, said as a, skill you did

889
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 3: have him.

890
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: Right i'd spoke with.

891
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: HIM i had to wait for him to put his

892
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 3: golf clubs in his truck and then he can get into,

893
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 3: play And i'm ready to.

894
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 2: Go, Yeah So i'll call him. Back i'll call him

895
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 2: back and try.

896
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 3: Again we'll see if we can get a connection that

897
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: might last more than a minute or, two and that

898
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: will continue to cull through hundreds of texts that have

899
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: come in regarding forty one, donut just a bunch of.

900
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: Them a lot of Good gallows humor, included WHICH i

901
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: very much, appreciated because you, know it's a deal of

902
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: you laugh to keep from. Crying sometimes that's the that

903
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: might be the best way to go.

904
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: Forty one.

905
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: Donut my firstborn was to introduced the world around four

906
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 3: am that. Day he was in the room with us

907
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 3: watching the game in his rolling hospital. Bed, HALFTIME i

908
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: spun it around to face us as out of THE.

909
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: TV u did not want him to see his first.

910
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 3: DAY i didn't want him to have to watch that

911
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 3: for his first day as A vikings. Fan the cork

912
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: in the champagne was pop not for a playoff, victory

913
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 3: but to celebrate our. Son his name Is, carter by the,

914
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: way After, anthony Not. Chris All, right we think we've

915
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: Got Mitch berger back after a little phone.

916
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 2: Issue how is? It how'd you hit him? Today?

917
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 5: Oh, No, god just a little time on the. Range, yeah,

918
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 5: well getting it done BEFORE i go pick up my

919
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 5: son from school and coaches team's basketball. Practice.

920
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: Nice, well we'll get to that in a.

921
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: Minute do you recall how many times you punted in forty?

922
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: One don't.

923
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: A?

924
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: Lot you, KNOW i thought it would be, RIGHT i,

925
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: KNOW i know.

926
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 5: THAT i don't THINK i got a punt until like

927
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 5: we were already down fourteen nothing or something. LIKE i

928
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 5: can't remember what, happened but they scored a touchdown and

929
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 5: then we fumbled and then they scored against. TRUE i

930
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 5: think by the TIME i punted the first time we

931
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 5: were down fourteen, nothing it was like a few minutes

932
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 5: into the game only or something like.

933
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: That you're, right you only punted six, times THOUGH i

934
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: THOUGHT i would have thought it would have been.

935
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: More but you, know a part of it Was.

936
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: Mitch as you might, recall like their possession time was,

937
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 3: ridiculous that they they ran out like the last twelve

938
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: minutes of the game with a drive where they just

939
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: kept handing the ball off and getting.

940
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: Three yards and four yards and three yards and four.

941
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 3: Yards if you look back on it, now when did

942
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: it occur to you that it was going to? PLAY

943
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 3: i mean you were going to be in the middle

944
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 3: of what it ended up. BEING i, mean was it,

945
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: early was it? Middle was it you, know before the?

946
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 3: Game what do you remember about how you're processing it

947
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 3: as it's taking.

948
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: Place, WELL i.

949
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 5: Don't really want to speak for, him AND i know

950
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 5: he's beloved there and you, know my Boy Robert, Smith

951
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 5: BUT i remember after the first, quarter what would you

952
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 5: do you? Have what the score was after the first? Quarter?

953
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 3: Fourteen it was fourteen oh at the. Quarter it was

954
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 3: thirty four to at the.

955
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 5: Half, Okay SO i think sometime in the second, quarter

956
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 5: when we were down twenty eight or, something me And

957
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 5: roberts started talking about our offseason. Trip we started talking

958
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 5: about where we were going because he retired after that's,

959
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 5: right and we went To, australia, me him And Jimmy

960
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 5: kleinsasser went To australia for three weeks for his retirement.

961
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 5: Trip and so we were discussing our trip way too

962
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 5: early on the, sideline then you should be in a.

963
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 5: Game but that's just how bad well that's, bad just

964
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 5: how bad of a drudging we were.

965
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 3: Taking, well here's here's WHAT i. Remember, you by the,

966
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 3: way for the, oddsmakers you guys are two point favorites

967
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 3: going into that game because The, giants even though the

968
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 3: game was, there The giants were not perceived as a

969
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: particularly good. Team and my recollection was the week leading

970
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 3: up to the, game it was like out of your

971
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: out of the, organization out Of Winter. Park it was

972
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: it worth this is our. GAME i, mean there's not

973
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: any question that we're going to be the beat The.

974
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: Giants they're not that. Good And i'm wondering if you

975
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: remember any of, that BECAUSE i sensed almost overconfidence more

976
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 3: than anything.

977
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 5: ELSE i don't really recall how we. FELT i don't,

978
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 5: recall you, know the week of the, game BUT i

979
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 5: do know one. THING i do know that my feeling

980
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 5: was that we would have played them at, home we

981
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 5: would have beat. THEM i know that really cold and,

982
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 5: breezy and the skit was, frozen it was grass back

983
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 5: in the, day and we were just such a fast

984
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 5: team on. Turf, yeah THAT i feel. Like IF i

985
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 5: feel like and IF i recall, correctly we lost That

986
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 5: Green bay game in, overtime and if we had won that,

987
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 5: game we would have had home field. ADVANTAGE i believe

988
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 5: IF i recall that, correctly do you remember.

989
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: THAT i don't remember. That i'll look for. That that's very, possible.

990
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 5: BECAUSE i REMEMBER i held a biogle For Gary anderson

991
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 5: to win the. Game and it was like a twenty

992
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 5: two yard chip, shot and it was cold and, windy

993
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 5: and it was brutal out and it was snap wasn't,

994
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 5: great BUT i got the hold. Up and WHEN i

995
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 5: got it, up he ran by and started blocking, somebody oh.

996
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 5: Somebody AND i Remember i'm, like slow down and just

997
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 5: chip it. Through whatever you gotta. Do the last THING

998
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,479
Speaker 5: i need Is Gary anderson. Blocking AND i rolled out

999
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 5: and threw a pick in the end, zone AND i

1000
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 5: recall that IF i would have just thrown it in the,

1001
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 5: dirt we would have gotten another.

1002
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 4: Kick oh.

1003
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 5: Man BUT i didn't know. That nobody talked about it

1004
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 5: on the. Sideline nobody said, anything because leading up to that,

1005
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,959
Speaker 5: KICK i was actually kicking field goals in the net

1006
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 5: because we were way farther. BACK i THOUGHT i was

1007
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 5: going to maybe have to kick a game winner from

1008
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 5: a long field, goal and SO i wasn't really preparing to.

1009
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 5: HOLD i was preparing to, kick and then all of

1010
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 5: a sudden we got, downfield AND i believe we kicked

1011
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 5: it on first down or something or second, down seconds,

1012
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 5: left kicked it and every special team's practice On saturday

1013
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 5: the rest of my. Life on every TEAM i ever

1014
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 5: was they talk about how much times. Left it's a

1015
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 5: bad snap and not a good, hold stand up and

1016
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 5: spike it in the ground and get another. Kick AND

1017
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 5: i remember that not even being part of a conversation

1018
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 5: that we. Had and we were a very prepared team

1019
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 5: usually usually went through every, scenario but we didn't do,

1020
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 5: that and we ended up losing that. Game and LIKE i,

1021
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 5: SAID i threw a pick an the end up BECAUSE

1022
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 5: i thought it was last play of the. Game you're

1023
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 5: trying to make a, play you, know try to do. Something.

1024
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 5: Shoot IF i thrown in, completion we get another. Kick

1025
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 5: but no idea was Doing and that was THAT i

1026
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 5: remember BEING i remember that more THAN i remember the

1027
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 5: actual game against, again because we take we play them at.

1028
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 5: HOME i feel like we beat them here here and

1029
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 5: then obviously on the.

1030
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 2: Road i'll give you the. Details WE i don't have the.

1031
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: Details At week, sixteen second to last game of the,

1032
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 3: season you lose to The packers thirty three to twenty.

1033
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: Eight that was.

1034
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 3: Here so that's the game you're talking, about, Right, yeah

1035
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: and then then the next week you got you lost

1036
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 3: to The, colts BECAUSE i think by.

1037
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 5: Then it was, no, no, no note it was you

1038
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 5: say thirty three twenty At.

1039
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: Minnesota this was At minnesota The packers won thirty three twenty.

1040
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 5: Eight, no it was the game at it was the

1041
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 5: night game at Green.

1042
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: Bay oh well.

1043
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 3: That that's much earlier THAN i think in the in the.

1044
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: Season maybe you're thinking about. Different, yeah at Green bay

1045
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: you Played week, Ten packers won at twenty six to

1046
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 3: twenty At.

1047
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: Lambo, yeah with it with.

1048
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 5: It with a touchdown and overtime At lambeo where we

1049
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 5: didn't even kick the extra point because they had some

1050
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 5: crazy catch.

1051
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 2: That He, oh, yeah that's, right.

1052
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 5: And we should and we should have won that. Game

1053
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 5: that's LIKE i, said we had a twenty two yard

1054
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 5: chip shot or. Something, yeah and we didn't even kick. It,

1055
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 5: YEAH i, REMEMBER i remember feeling that that was the

1056
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 5: one loss that was a ridiculous loss that we had

1057
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 5: that would have made us home field instead of on the.

1058
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 3: Road you know the other thing that struck always strikes

1059
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: me from that. Game you, Know Carrie collins was a

1060
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 3: fairly ordinary pro, quarterback, right but that game he was

1061
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 3: ridiculous twenty eight for thirty nine three hundred and eighty

1062
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: one yards five touchdowns in that. Game and you know the.

1063
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 3: Story i'm have you heard the. STORIES i don't know

1064
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 3: if we talked about this. Before there's conspiracy theories that

1065
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: have evolved since then that alleged that part of the

1066
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: reason it looked like The giants always knew what was

1067
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 3: coming was because they did know what was, coming because

1068
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 3: they were stealing the signals on the visiting. Sideline now

1069
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: that sounds pretty convenient to. Me but did you ever

1070
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: hear that story or did you ever hear about those?

1071
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: Rumors? No, yeah that's one of the big.

1072
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 5: ROOMS i, MEAN i, mean that's one of the most

1073
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 5: biggest ass kickings of my life AND i think all

1074
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 5: of our, lives since everything just was sideways in that.

1075
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 5: Thing BUT i mean that that story checks out as

1076
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 5: far as how badly we got beat. DOWN i mean, that,

1077
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 5: yeah they knew what was going. ON i mean it

1078
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Speaker 5: sure felt like they, did because we certainly didn't know

1079
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 5: what was going. On.

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00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, No AND i mean the we had who was

1081
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 3: the receiver guarsie we had On Super Bowl week when

1082
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 3: The super money, teamer we had A moni tumor on

1083
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 3: and he told the story that basically he was kind

1084
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 3: of ailing going into that, week and who wasn't it

1085
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 3: was uh defensive coordinator basically came in right and and

1086
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: and and said.

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Speaker 2: Their secondary is no. Good we're gonna throw it the entire.

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00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 3: Game if, You, mitch if you, remember you guys are

1089
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 3: so thin in the. Secondary you were Putting pete Like

1090
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 3: robert take people are just sort of being thrown out

1091
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: there out of desperation because you just didn't have enough enough, corners.

1092
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 3: RIGHT i don't know if it was injury or ability,

1093
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 3: Whatever and that seemed to show up in that game

1094
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 3: because they passed the ball will in that.

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00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 4: Game, YEAH i JUST.

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Speaker 5: I, MEAN i remember we always, were you, know our

1097
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 5: defensive backfield was always a bit of a struggle a

1098
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 5: lot of the. TIME i remember being In minnesota that

1099
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 5: was coached by Coach green's old, Buddy Richard sullomon was

1100
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 5: THE dB, coach AND i remember. That you, KNOW i

1101
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 5: don't know how well they got coached or what it,

1102
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 5: was BUT i know we usually. Struggled and the years

1103
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 5: we did well is the one thing they did was

1104
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 5: we made a lot of, turnovers so we got we

1105
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 5: a lot of turnovers one of those defenses kind of

1106
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 5: like kind of Like chicago is right now that you,

1107
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 5: honestly they're a team you can throw, against but they

1108
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 5: get a lot of. Turnovers, now if you get a

1109
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 5: game where we get a couple of, turnovers we got a. Shot,

1110
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 5: well we get a game we don't get any, turnovers

1111
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 5: and you're playing against that defensive, backfield you're going to

1112
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 5: eat them. Alive AND i feel like that's what it's

1113
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 5: going to probably happen To chicago in the playoffs as well,

1114
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 5: eventually is that they're going to catch up with. That

1115
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 5: if they don't get a few, turnovers they're going to

1116
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 5: get totally.

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Speaker 2: Pounded, well it's sure As i'll look that way the

1118
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: first half of that. Game let me.

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Speaker 3: Get a real Short you have time for a little short,

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00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 3: break and you got a few.

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Speaker 2: More, minutes don't?

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00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 3: You BECAUSE i want TO i want to talk also

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00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 3: a little bit About mitch's views of The vikings of

1124
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 3: today in the quarterback situation as. Well we are chatting

1125
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 3: with Former, vikings a punter and, Kicker Mitch, berger who

1126
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 3: was a member of the two thousand team that made

1127
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 3: it to THE nfc title. Game and then got edged

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00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: by The New York giants forty one to. Donut Kevin

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Speaker 3: seaffert is going to join us in studio as. Well

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Speaker 3: later in the four O'clock up