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Speaker 1: It's a special holiday edition of the Friday Football Feast.

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Speaker 1: You can join Pa Nordo alec Lewitz you just heard

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Speaker 1: from Buffalo. Wadwins Roseville is getting you set for a

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Speaker 1: Christmas Day battle with the Lions. Plus grade eats your

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Speaker 1: shot at prizes all morning long. Doors open at eight

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Speaker 1: am out of a nine am nine to noon broadcast.

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Speaker 2: Allow details KFA dot com. Key were Calendar.

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Speaker 3: Michael Russer from the Athletic back here on the fan,

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Speaker 3: coming to you from the Bob Kurtz Radio Center down

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Speaker 3: at Grand Casino Arena follows his lair. Happy to be

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Speaker 3: joined by the former Arrow Joe on X back when

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Speaker 3: it was Twitter. Now it's Wild Joe Radio and the

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Speaker 3: absolute best radio broadcaster in the land for hockey.

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Speaker 2: That's a little sorry, Pa.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to tick off Pa and Alan Hornck,

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Speaker 3: Corey provos and everything, but you are absolutely sensational, Joe O'Donnell.

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Speaker 3: You know I tell you all the time. You know,

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Speaker 3: we're happy. The way that the broadcast is done at

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Speaker 3: Grand Casino Arena. The radio broadcast booth is actually on

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Speaker 3: the bottom level of the press box where the print

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Speaker 3: media is or.

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Speaker 2: Online media as we like to say now since I'm not.

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Speaker 3: Print and so you're a couple of seats to my right,

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Speaker 3: so I get to hear your call every single night,

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Speaker 3: and I mean, not only is it a great call,

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Speaker 3: but if anybody listens to your radio broadcast, they know

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Speaker 3: how hard you prep. Because I don't know anybody that

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Speaker 3: can just throw in like stats that I've never heard

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Speaker 3: right in the middle while you're calling games. You know, One,

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Speaker 3: where do you find all these stats? Because I'd like

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Speaker 3: it to help my writing one of these days. And

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Speaker 3: two how do you remember it? Well, it's a combo

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Speaker 3: of a few places. Thank you for the kind words,

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Speaker 3: by the way.

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Speaker 4: So just you know NHL dot Com, NHL media site,

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Speaker 4: the live updates that you get from the league, which

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Speaker 4: I probably don't do a good enough job in game checking.

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Speaker 4: We get the thing now called the Game Report this year,

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Speaker 4: which is from like stat Perform.

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Speaker 2: They've got some good nuggets.

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Speaker 4: I'm also privy to the NHL Network crew and what

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Speaker 4: they get for their on air personalities, so I've been

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Speaker 4: using that this year, and then I just track stuff

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Speaker 4: on my own that I try to update all the

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Speaker 4: time or look for trends as far as being outshot

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Speaker 4: or out shooting opponent third period goals. You know, haven't

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Speaker 4: So all sorts of like just little nuggets. And then

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Speaker 4: the team notes too, right, Like some of the visiting

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Speaker 4: teams you play have great notes and they can help

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Speaker 4: build half of your prep. So it's sort of evolved

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Speaker 4: over time. It's still evolving. It's just a combo of things.

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Speaker 4: I try and do my homework to make sure I'm

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Speaker 4: ready to go, and I try to bring as much

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Speaker 4: I wonder if it's a little bit too much, like

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Speaker 4: who's going to remember or find that interesting? But if

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Speaker 4: I find it interesting, I tend to throw it out

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Speaker 4: there and hopefully the listeners agree.

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Speaker 3: I think anybody would find it interesting. And tonight's gonna

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Speaker 3: be an interesting broadcast. A very unique Jackie Blonde is

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Speaker 3: going to be joining you and Tom Reid upstairs.

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Speaker 4: Awesome like opportunity for Jack and I know he's done

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Speaker 4: some stuff the La Kings in the past, great kid,

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Speaker 4: and wanted to get an opportunity to help out the

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Speaker 4: Wild Radio Network for a night, and so Stick tapped

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Speaker 4: Kevin faunas for making it work logistically, and I'm glad

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Speaker 4: that we were able to kind of have a three

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Speaker 4: man booth and see how it goes. And I'll just

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Speaker 4: and feel like he's able to bring what he wants

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Speaker 4: less play by play to work them both in, but

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Speaker 4: that's okay and looking forward to it.

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Speaker 3: Tonight Nationale Predators come to town. You can listen to

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Speaker 3: the broadcast right here on the fan at seven o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Pream show is what time fallness?

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Speaker 3: What are you busy from six fifteen to six forty

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Speaker 3: five or like, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: It's like barreal? He says, Well, why don't you do

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Speaker 2: a longer pregame because they don't allow me to. I'll

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Speaker 2: do an hour and a half if they asked me to.

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Speaker 2: I thought, you're the more familiar with the more me

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Speaker 2: hashtag that's hashtag new TV.

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Speaker 3: Yes exactly, So six forty five here on the fan

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Speaker 3: for the pregame show. And by the way, a lot

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Speaker 3: to get to hear Zach Hollerson pronounce some very interesting

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Speaker 3: So you know, what do you think he'll what do

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Speaker 3: you think his batting average will be on pronunciations when.

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Speaker 2: You're healing USA? Yeah, that would be my guest.

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Speaker 4: It's mostly a USA broadcast that that he's doing, and

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Speaker 4: I think that the concentration will be They've got it

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Speaker 2: USA and a y Z has it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be It'll be something to be seeing Joe Man.

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Speaker 3: Exciting time to be around the Minnesota Wild From broadcaster standpoint,

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Speaker 3: you get to see a team that's winning every single night,

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Speaker 3: that's scoring a ton of goals every single night, which

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Speaker 3: they go out and they acquire the second best defenseman

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Speaker 3: in the National Hockey League and Quinn ues, what's this

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Speaker 3: last couple of weeks been like for you?

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Speaker 2: And really the way this team is on.

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Speaker 3: October thirty first, what's this last seven weeks been like

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Speaker 3: for you?

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Speaker 4: It's been awesome and it makes my job easier. The

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Speaker 4: It's been a lot of fun, Michael at Night. I

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Speaker 4: don't take my job for granted. I love what I do,

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Speaker 4: but when the team is playing like this, when the

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Speaker 4: team is built for a potential special season, it's one

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Speaker 4: you try to cherish. And I hope the Wild fans

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Speaker 4: are enjoying it as well. This team is so much

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Speaker 4: about them. I think they're going to bounce back tonight.

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Speaker 4: It's not an easy game. You look at Nashville, you know,

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Speaker 4: They're nine to four to oh in their last thirteen.

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Speaker 4: They've won seven of their last ten and a smaller

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Speaker 4: team was five six games blow five hundred last game

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Speaker 4: I think after a lost Sunday and knowing this Preds

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they are.

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Speaker 3: I mean look, you look at their team. This is

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Speaker 3: they were screwed in overtime with the with the puck

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Speaker 2: That that I was Joehansson.

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Speaker 4: Johanson that that there'll be a goal that I don't know,

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Speaker 3: No, No, definitely, And coincidentally, a couple of weeks later,

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Speaker 3: taking the fountain of the youth lately. Obviously they got

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Speaker 2: So we'll see how it goes out.

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Speaker 3: Shocking tonight that for the first time all season while

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's awesome. I've been talking all year that they

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Speaker 4: Like they've got everybody. So it took it so Christmas

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Speaker 2: We've seen it.

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Speaker 4: They have played above expectations of time, they've played below

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Speaker 2: They're ahead of last year's.

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Speaker 4: Pace, which is crazy because you think about how last

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Speaker 2: It's been a remarkable turnaround.

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Speaker 2: I think the players are going, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: Like this group when healthy last year was one of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it really has been. And from your perspective from

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Speaker 3: Quinn Hughes. Watching Quinn Hughes, I mean, how fun has happened?

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Speaker 4: looking for offense. He's looking for that first pass, that

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Speaker 4: not there. I've noticed that it just seems like he'll

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Speaker 2: That doesn't seem to the case of Quinn Us.

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Speaker 3: We're talking with Joe a'donald while Joe Radio on X

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Speaker 3: very cocky Eagles fan, yep, feeling good now ten and five?

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Speaker 2: Right, I think it's been a couple.

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Speaker 4: Any Vikings fan out there, is gonna be like, shut

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Speaker 4: your mouth, because most Eagles fans are disappointing the season,

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Speaker 4: and that's coming off of Super Bowl. But that's just

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Speaker 4: how we're why we are. It's never good enough, swinning man.

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Speaker 4: We're usually negative. And ten and five feels like five

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Speaker 4: and ten with how they played at times this year.

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Speaker 4: But hopefully they're on the rise. Get a home playoff game.

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Speaker 4: See what the heckus, Joe? This schedule has been hilacious.

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Speaker 4: I was talking to Nico Sturm about it earlier in

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Speaker 4: the show. This is their eighth game in the last

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Speaker 4: thirteen days, seven and eleven, six and nine.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy. How are you getting through it? Lots of lozenges,

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Speaker 2: I assume now.

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Speaker 4: I don't really use any of that stuff, to be honest.

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Speaker 4: If I'm feeling a little under the weather, I will

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Speaker 4: don't ever do any you know, steal PA's turned vocal maintenance,

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Speaker 4: like there's I don't do anything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know why. I never I never really

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Speaker 4: And I don't know that a lot of coaches do that,

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Speaker 3: Like during that entire time, did you look at it

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Speaker 2: Well, I'd be lying to you if I didn't tell you.

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Speaker 4: So there was a little bit of that, to be honest, Russo.

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Speaker 4: You know how long we loved Des Moines, Iowa, about

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Speaker 3: You know Timmy, you as you could ask one question,

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Speaker 4: so the Iowa while we're getting ready to play with

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Speaker 4: Stockton Heat, and uh it was my fault. I asked

437
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Speaker 4: brutal question to start our little pregame show that I'd

438
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Speaker 4: air back and I'd usually trim it down because Tim

439
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Speaker 4: would get long winded. Is to your point, And I

440
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Speaker 4: said like something about you know, coach tough stretch whatever, whatever.

441
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Speaker 4: Kyle Row left with an injury last game. Blah blah blah.

442
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Speaker 4: Like I went long winded on the question and just

443
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Speaker 4: kind of served it up to him like a general

444
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Speaker 4: state of the team. Eight minutes he talked for eight minutes.

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Speaker 4: He finished talking. I said, okay, thanks.

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Speaker 2: Coach for your time.

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Speaker 4: Good luck tonight against the Heat, and I hit stop

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Speaker 4: on the recorder.

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Speaker 2: He said, what that's it? I go, Tim, that was

450
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Speaker 2: eight minutes. I couldn't even run.

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Speaker 4: All eight minutes pre game show is not that long.

452
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Speaker 4: So yeah, look, Tim, Rmy and I we got along great.

453
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Speaker 4: I have a lot of respect for what he's accomplished

454
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Speaker 4: in the coaching industry. He's been around the block coach

455
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Speaker 4: at every level. It's had a lot of success. But

456
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Speaker 4: he can talk, and sometimes it can be a little

457
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Speaker 4: bit much when you're trying to get to the point

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Speaker 4: get get an interview clip for radio purposes.

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Speaker 3: I remember when I did that old podcast Straight from

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Speaker 3: the Source and we were there playing the Sharks the Wild,

461
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Speaker 3: and I texted you that happened to be that the

462
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Speaker 3: Barracuda were out there at the same time against the IOWA.

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Speaker 2: Was right before COVID.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, before that was the game that I think

465
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Speaker 3: Cackening broke his hand or something. Anyway, but I texted

466
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Speaker 3: you and I said, Hey, any chance I can sit

467
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Speaker 3: down with Tim Army for a podcast? And it was

468
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Speaker 3: a game day and You're like, yeah, I'll get it done.

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Speaker 3: And I come over to your team hotel on a

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Speaker 3: game day, I interview him and then they lost, and

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Speaker 3: Tim right away told you never again, never doing a

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Speaker 3: podcast on a game day.

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Speaker 2: Ever. Yeah, he liked it, you know, Listen.

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Speaker 4: He was good for the exposure and growing the game

475
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Speaker 4: and like he got all that. But you know, coaches

476
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Speaker 4: are creatures a habit and if there was one loss,

477
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Speaker 4: you know, and he had walked on the right side

478
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Speaker 4: of the street that night, he wasn't walking on the

479
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Speaker 4: right side of the street again. He was very much

480
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Speaker 4: a superstitious creature of habit.

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Speaker 2: Well, Joe, I'll let you go.

482
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Speaker 3: I know you got a coaches meeting to get to

483
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Speaker 3: with John Hines. But you could listen to Joe tonight

484
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Speaker 3: with Jack Ciablonski and Tom Reed right here on the

485
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Speaker 3: fan starting six forty five with the pregame show. If

486
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Speaker 3: you're in the building, you get to see Joe's face

487
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Speaker 3: now on the jump of dron before every game give

488
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Speaker 3: him a cheer. Last game, he asked people to like

489
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Speaker 3: make some noise and you're like one person said.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well face for radio. I guess you're tired of

491
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Speaker 2: me already.

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Speaker 4: Everybody, have a great Christmas out there, appreciate all the listeners.

493
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Speaker 2: And hopefully get a w tonight.

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Speaker 3: Joe O'Donnell Kaffan, What is it? What are we calling it?

495
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Speaker 3: The Wild Radio Network? Fondness?

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah, for like twenty five years. What are we calling it?

497
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Speaker 2: Is what we're calling it. We'll just call it that today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Wild Radio Network, by the way, and

499
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Speaker 3: it's about the apparently it's on the fan Wild Joe

500
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Speaker 3: Radio and X used to be Ara Joe. When we

501
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Speaker 3: come back, Joe Smith is coming in my partner in

502
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Speaker 3: crime at the Athletic. Also, at some point we believe

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Speaker 3: Dave Jackson from ESPN former referee, will be joining in

504
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Speaker 3: studio because tonight's game, which everybody listening is only going

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Speaker 3: to be listening to, not watching, that is on ESPN

506
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Speaker 3: Plus and Hulu.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back on the fan.

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Speaker 3: Michael Russa from the Athletic back here on the fan.

514
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Speaker 3: Joe Smith, my colleague from the Athletic, is also here

515
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Speaker 3: from the fan. In surprise, surprise, Dave Jackson from ESPN

516
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Speaker 3: has just walked in. Dave, one of the great referees

517
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Speaker 3: that I've covered in this league, number eight. Every time

518
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Speaker 3: I see Francis Sharon, I think of you. They should

519
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Speaker 3: have retired your number, Dave.

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Speaker 5: Well, I tell you what, if they retire my number,

521
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Speaker 5: there's about a two dozen in front of me that

522
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Speaker 5: should have gone first.

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Speaker 3: Like first of all, And by the way, if you

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Speaker 3: want to follow Dave on Twitter or X, it's ESPN, NHL,

525
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Speaker 3: ESPN ref NHL, ESPN ref NHL. And Dave, you did

526
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Speaker 3: this job for a long long time. You've done playoff

527
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Speaker 3: games galore, well over one thousand regular season games, but

528
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Speaker 3: this is your first time in Grand Casino Arena as

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Speaker 3: a broadcaster the rules analyst on the ESPN. You've been

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Speaker 3: here many many eons for everything from regular season games

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Speaker 3: to playoff games, and now you're here as a broadcaster.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I got to say, someone was just asking

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Speaker 5: me it is a different walking in as not being

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Speaker 5: the referee. I said, yeah, because most buildings, you come

535
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Speaker 5: in the loading dock, you walk to your room, and

536
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Speaker 5: then you leave the same way, and you really don't

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Speaker 5: get to experience an arena. And I was fortunate in

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Speaker 5: my post referee core I did it is supervision development.

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Speaker 5: I was up in the press box as a supervisor

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Speaker 5: on one K. But it's a beautiful building, beautiful press box,

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Speaker 5: and I just love coming here.

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Speaker 2: There's no way that you're going to remember this.

543
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Speaker 3: But the first time I actually met you face to

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Speaker 3: face was actually in the referee room in Tampa during

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Speaker 3: the All Star Game when I went in there to

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Speaker 3: talk to Brian Mock, who's the linesman for the All

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Speaker 3: Star Game, and kind of do a story there. And

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Speaker 3: you know, you've like when you get those type of honors,

549
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Speaker 3: to do things like that. An All Star game is

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Speaker 3: very different. You're not calling probably any penalties. What is

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Speaker 3: that like when you get that call? Well, to do

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Speaker 3: an All Star game?

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Speaker 5: I was fortunately I got to do two All Star games,

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Speaker 5: one in LA in two thousand and two and the

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Speaker 5: one in my final season, so about two months before

556
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Speaker 5: I retired in twenty eighteen. And it's for your family,

557
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Speaker 5: that's the greatest part. You bring your wife, you bring

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Speaker 5: your kids, and the.

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Speaker 2: Kids get you know, backstage passes.

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Speaker 5: And when they were really young, my boys were you know,

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Speaker 5: like nine and ten, and they were running through locker

562
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Speaker 5: rooms with Mary Lemus gloves on, Patrick WA's mask on.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 5: It was really cool back in their two thousands. They've

565
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Speaker 5: tightened up the rules a bit, but my kids were

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Speaker 5: older as well. In twenty eighteen. I used to they

567
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Speaker 5: sacrificed so much here on the road twenty days a

568
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Speaker 5: month when you're refereeing, so to be able to bring

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Speaker 5: your family enjoy three four days in sunshine and you know,

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Speaker 5: you get down in the bowels of the arena, it's

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Speaker 5: just a pretty cool experience.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so funny they said that because one of

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Speaker 3: my memories of an Allstar Game, I think it was

574
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Speaker 3: either in Atlanta or Denver or something. I get on

575
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Speaker 3: the media bus and there's Steve Cazero with his entire family,

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Speaker 3: like the referee Joe.

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Speaker 2: I was just.

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Speaker 6: Wondering, when you go through this as a transition into broadcasting,

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Speaker 6: like do you watch other ones that do it?

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Speaker 2: Like my prayer with a.

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Speaker 6: Box for NFL, Like, how do you kind of prepare

582
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Speaker 6: for that kind of role when you do that?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know what, I never My wife used to

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Speaker 5: say when I was during COVID, So you know, I retired.

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Speaker 5: I supervised for two years COVID happened. I kind of

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Speaker 5: took took a break, and I was planning going back.

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Speaker 5: But ESPN came along, and my wife used to say,

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Speaker 5: because we'd watch hockey and I'd sit in the couch

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Speaker 5: and just say, no, that's not the rule, like you're

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Speaker 5: getting it wrong. It should be this, And she goes, well,

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Speaker 5: you know, you'd be cut out for a job like that.

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Speaker 5: And the job came away well perfect. And then I

593
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Speaker 5: realized that I've got to say what I want to

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Speaker 5: say in about twenty seconds. And I'm frankly, I'm jealous

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Speaker 5: of the football guys because they get four minutes sometimes

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Speaker 5: that's going on, and you know, they watched multiple replays

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Speaker 5: and they get to maybe change their mind on their

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Speaker 5: initial opinion.

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Speaker 2: For me, it's a quick hit. Try and be concise

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Speaker 2: and try.

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Speaker 5: And not leave the viewer with more questions than they

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Speaker 5: had to begin with. So it's something I'm getting better at,

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Speaker 5: and I can always be better.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to goal reviews and things like that.

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Speaker 3: I've been in the situation room and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: I hear Dave Jackson chiming in and talking to Bill

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Speaker 3: mccreer or something like that, and I never knew that

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Speaker 3: that was going on. That you're able to sort of

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Speaker 3: listen in to what they're saying. They kind of explain

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Speaker 3: everything to you, and then when you're able to go

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Speaker 3: on the air. I remember the game in Anaim a

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Speaker 3: couple of years ago, Remember that weird offsides play. You

613
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Speaker 3: were able to come on there and absolutely explain with

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Speaker 3: authority what they were looking at, how they came their

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Speaker 3: decision right.

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Speaker 5: And that's a very good example because in real time,

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Speaker 5: it's tough to use the situation because they're preoccupy, they're

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Speaker 5: busy making that call.

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Speaker 2: I'm not privy to the conversations they have with the

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Speaker 2: on ice officials.

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Speaker 5: I can ask questions after the facts, So a lot

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Speaker 5: of times I come on, I'll state my own opinion.

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Speaker 5: This is what I see this if I see from

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Speaker 5: the replays, this is what I think will happen, and

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Speaker 5: if the call ends up being what I said, then

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Speaker 5: you know it's over. If it's different from what I

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Speaker 5: said and we're trying to scratch our heads and say.

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Speaker 2: How did they come to that?

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Speaker 5: Then I have the the the privilege of being able

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Speaker 5: to talk to them directly and they explained to me

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Speaker 5: what they saw, which I might not have seen on

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Speaker 5: the replays I was watching.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's a great, you know, fail safe type deal.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I know everybody wants to get the call

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Speaker 6: right live all the time. Right, it's a human error

636
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Speaker 6: thing all the time. But like, like, how has review

637
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Speaker 6: changed the game? And is this the right amount of

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Speaker 6: a review that we have right now in the league

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Speaker 6: versus like should they be more?

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Speaker 2: Like people can do everything more than that. I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: want to see anymore.

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Speaker 5: And I think we have it to a pretty good

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Speaker 5: place to without, you know, very slippery slope if we

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Speaker 5: went with any more we started assessing minor penalties on

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Speaker 5: view on replay, where would you draw the line? I mean,

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Speaker 5: was it an inference? Was it was it a hook?

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Speaker 5: It's just I mean, there's too many variables. I think

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Speaker 5: we've covered. We've got covered major penalties, double minors for

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Speaker 5: high stick, and we got offside goal interference. We have

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Speaker 5: misstoppages that lead to a goal. I wouldn't want to

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Speaker 5: see any more replays, but I guess I'm a little

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Speaker 5: jealous of the ability guys now have to get a

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Speaker 5: wrong call right, because you know, people talk to players

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Speaker 5: and they go, what do you know your greatest games?

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Speaker 5: They talk about game winning goals or scoring hat tricks.

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Speaker 5: I think for most officials, the games stand out to

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Speaker 5: most of them is the you know, the real monumental

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Speaker 5: screw ups. I remember back, you know, ten years ago

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Speaker 5: in that building. Oh boy, did I blow a call there?

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Speaker 5: And those are kind of things that haunt you as

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Speaker 5: an official, and a lot of those could have been

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Speaker 5: rectified by video replay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, deve im, we're talking about Dave Jackson, former NHL

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Speaker 3: referee and now current rules analysts on ESPN. He'll be

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Speaker 3: doing the game tonight with Bobu, Shujin and aj Molesco

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Speaker 3: on ESPN Plus and Hulu Deve the like. That's where

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Speaker 3: I feel like the NBA has become really hard to watch.

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Speaker 3: I have never It's just amazing the number of reviews

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Speaker 3: they're on fouls and and things like that. And it

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Speaker 3: just feels like if you open that can of worms

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Speaker 3: in the NHL, like, I mean, where it does as

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Speaker 3: you mentioned, where does it stop.

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Speaker 2: You don't want this every second to be up. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna review this plan only, this non call, this whatever.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's people that you know they're adamant there

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Speaker 5: should be another set of eyes in the in the

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Speaker 5: press box that could alert the referee for a minor penalty.

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Speaker 5: But my question would be, even if you're up in

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Speaker 5: the press box and you see what you think is

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Speaker 5: a minor penalty, you're not gonna blow that horn right away.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna watch two or three place to make sure

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Speaker 5: you've got it right. So we're gonna start assessing penalties

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Speaker 5: by video. What fifteen seconds after it happens, or what

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Speaker 5: if it's a call it's made that you know shouldn't

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Speaker 5: be made.

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Speaker 2: So then we're going to overturn a call in the ICE.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think we do a good job of

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Speaker 2: that now.

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Speaker 5: Stephen Walkam has has empowered these officials, all four guys,

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Speaker 5: to use common sense and if something is not right,

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Speaker 5: if a guy blatantly toe picks with no stick near him,

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Speaker 5: and for whatever reason, you're blocked out and a referee

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Speaker 5: calls a trip. The other three guys can talk have

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Speaker 5: that discussion on the ice with old video review and say, listen,

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Speaker 5: you can do what you want. It's your call. But

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Speaker 5: if you're asking for help, there was no stick near

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Speaker 5: it bag. You clearly top bit and you see that happen.

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Speaker 5: You see it happen maybe once a month where a

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Speaker 5: minor penalty gets taken down. But that's the crew on

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Speaker 5: the ice. It just gets the call right then, and

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Speaker 5: I support that one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: When we come back, Dave, I didn't we wanted to

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Speaker 3: talk to you about what I want to talk to

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Speaker 3: you about the Olympics because it's the last time the

705
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Speaker 3: NHLers were in the Olympics. You had the honor of

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Speaker 3: going over to Sochi, so I want to talk to

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Speaker 3: you about that. But I also want to talk to

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Speaker 3: you about just you know, the one thing that I

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Speaker 3: think that bothers a lot of fans, and that's when

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Speaker 3: they feel like NHL, like NHL refs are just watching

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Speaker 3: a play happen, or mugging in front of the net

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Speaker 3: and just letting him play and letting him play and

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Speaker 3: letting him play and not calling anything I want to

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Speaker 3: talk to you about, just sort of mindset that referee

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Speaker 3: maybe is thinking during that entire sequence. Because even me

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Speaker 3: as a longtime writer thirty one years that stuff, I'm

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Speaker 3: always amazed at the letting him play standpoint of officiating.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back with Dave Jackson. By the way, I

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Speaker 2: just dawned me.

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Speaker 3: I think I said, Francis Cheron, it's Francois sam Moron

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Speaker 3: that where's your old I don't know. I didn't want

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Speaker 3: to correct. I know that was nice, as Sharon Wearst said,

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Speaker 3: your show. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I We'll be back with

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Speaker 3: Dave Jackson when we're back here on the fan.

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Speaker 3: Joe Smith from the Athletic back here on the fan

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Speaker 3: as well. We're really happy to be joined by Jave Jackson,

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Speaker 3: a longtime NHL referee. You could see him tonight on

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Speaker 3: the ESPN Plus and Hulu as the rules analyst with

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Speaker 3: Bobu Shujin and aj milesco and Man Dave. Your first

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Speaker 3: NHL game December twenty second, nineteen ninety at the Quebec

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Speaker 3: Nordix played New Jersey Devils.

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Speaker 2: What do you remember about about that game?

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Speaker 5: I didn't realize you bring it up right now. It's

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Speaker 5: almost an anniversary. It was yesterday as a long time ago.

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Speaker 5: I can remember thirty five years ago, Yeah, being extremely nervous,

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Speaker 5: and then before the game, and then being surprisingly very

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Speaker 5: calm as I skated out in the ice. I'm not

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Speaker 5: sure why. I surprised myself. And then I saw Guila

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Speaker 5: Flur on the starting lineup, who was playing for the

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Speaker 5: nord Deeks at the time. And I'd grown up, you know,

747
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Speaker 5: in Montreal, and every kid in Montreal worshiped Gila Flur

748
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Speaker 5: out of the street hockey, playing on the pond, playing hockey.

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Speaker 5: So there was Gee on the ice and he whizzed

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Speaker 5: by me with his hair blowing in and I got

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Speaker 5: nervous all again.

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Speaker 2: But it was it was quite an experience and fifteen

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Speaker 2: hundred plus games later.

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Speaker 3: Your final NHL game March twenty ninth, twenty eighteen at

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Speaker 3: LA against the Phoenix Coyotes at the time. And the

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Speaker 3: cool thing about when it's your last game as an

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Speaker 3: official is you get to pick your partners.

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Speaker 2: Who'd you pick and why?

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Speaker 5: So I picked Mark jo Inett and Pierre Rasuco, who I've.

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Speaker 2: Told you before or to my like. Roscoe and I

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Speaker 2: were as tight as candid.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. So they're both just a couple of years younger

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Speaker 5: than me, and we came up together literally doing pee

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Speaker 5: wee band to my midget hockey together.

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Speaker 2: And the three of us.

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Speaker 5: Pierre Shampouh as well, who left for an injury retired

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Speaker 5: many years ago, but the four of us, it was

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Speaker 5: pretty cool. Four guys from one small little association all

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Speaker 5: making NHL at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much so just our roots on our history.

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Speaker 5: I picked those two guys, and then I picked Jannie

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Speaker 5: Cameron from British Columbia. It was just always one of

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Speaker 5: my close buddies during my careers.

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Speaker 3: So Pierre Rosco number sixty five, back when I was

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Speaker 3: in covering the Panthers in for ten years, I became

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Speaker 3: really tight with him and Stefan Provo, who sadly passed

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Speaker 3: away in a motorcycle accident, turned the four five lockout

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Speaker 3: and the ritual that the referees do on the ice

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Speaker 3: now is a large reason because of Stefan's passing.

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Speaker 2: It's a brotherhood. It's a brotherhood. We lost two officials value.

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Speaker 5: We lost John John Demico Pastaway who was a supervisor

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Speaker 5: at the time, and we lost Stephan Provo, and we

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Speaker 5: did two different things and it morphed into the one

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Speaker 5: where we touched our arm, and that the significance of

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Speaker 5: that was we wore a patch on our arm with

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Speaker 5: Provo's number, so I was touching the arm and then

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Speaker 5: touching our chest and hitting each other and leaving the ice.

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Speaker 5: And Pierre Rascialmark, Joe and Ed have done a tremendous

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Speaker 5: job of holding a charity plunker tournament at our training

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Speaker 5: camp every year with all the proceeds going to Stephan's

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Speaker 5: children for their scholarship and stuff. So they've kept that

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Speaker 5: memory alive. And there's guys on staff now. I'd said

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Speaker 5: the majority of guys on staff never met step On Provo. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: still do the same thing as ritual center ice and

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Speaker 5: we're still raising money for good causes. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you a really emotional story that I

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Speaker 3: wrote that you could actually find on the Scouting the

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Speaker 3: Ref's website and if you google it at the Athletic

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Speaker 3: is the story that I did with Pierre Rossigo about

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Speaker 3: how that all started about five or six years ago.

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Speaker 3: I did it and Steph was such a funny, hilarious dude,

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Speaker 3: And that was back in the day. They pretty much

804
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 3: were a tag team. They flew everywhere together. I remember

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00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: being on us air flights with them flying up to Raleigh,

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00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: and man, was he a great guy. And during that

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Speaker 3: four or five lockout, I sat down with the two

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Speaker 3: of them and did a faces of the lockout story

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Speaker 3: and it was two of them doing odd jobs because

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Speaker 3: they needed to afford to live with their young families.

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Speaker 6: Joe Bill Garrin gim Here took a few penalties in

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Speaker 6: his day as the player. I talked about how like

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Speaker 6: it was such a relationship building thing with players and refs,

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Speaker 6: like you get to know each other pretty well over

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Speaker 6: the course of your career. Did that change over time

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Speaker 6: or the younger players and got quite into the same

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Speaker 6: thing that maybe the older school players, and like who's

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Speaker 6: the best player you had to deal with and like

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Speaker 6: maybe one of the topper ones I guess to communicate

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Speaker 6: with and have that kind.

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Speaker 5: Of well I think, I mean, I broke in in

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Speaker 5: the one referee system. So not that these guys have

823
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Speaker 5: it easy today because there's way more cameras, way more

824
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 5: slow mo and they're expected to call penalties where we

825
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 5: had a much looser standard when I broke in. But

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Speaker 5: having said that, there was nobody out there that had

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Speaker 5: the linesman. You looked at the linesman for the report.

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Speaker 5: You usually put a young referee with senior linesmen and

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Speaker 5: they had the report with the players.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know how these guys.

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Speaker 5: I mean I was out there in the ice dealing

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Speaker 5: with Gretzky Lemieux and they were, you know, mid to

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Speaker 5: tail end of their career when I was starting, and

834
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Speaker 5: you know, they'd never met me. And they're going to

835
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 5: test you, and and they test you, and not just that,

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Speaker 5: I mean everybody tests you. And I think it's just

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Speaker 5: a matter of being firm and being respectful, even treating

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Speaker 5: disrespect with respect. People are there to see the players,

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Speaker 5: they're not there to see you. You might win the battle,

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Speaker 5: but you're not going to win the war if you

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00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 5: go to war with the players, So it's just not

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Speaker 5: worth it. So I think I was at the tack

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Speaker 5: that we might have a heated conversation, but on a

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Speaker 5: commercial stoppage, I might slay over to the bench and

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Speaker 5: I might just talk with that player and try and

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00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 5: try and you know, try and rectify things or tell

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00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 5: me listen, I might have said something I shouldn't know,

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Speaker 5: and the usually a player really appreciates that, and that's

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Speaker 5: how you build report by treating players with respect.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're talking with Dave Jackson, form NHL referee and

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Speaker 3: ESPN rule analysts. I was talking to you before the

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Speaker 3: break about you know, one of the things I think

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Speaker 3: that annoy fans, the casual fans are games where you're watching,

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00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: you know, a mugging in front of the net or

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00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: cross a slew of cross checks or whatever, and the

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00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: referee is just staring at it, not doing anything. Why

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00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 3: does that happen? Like, what is the thought process there?

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Speaker 3: I know everything's different, but it just feels like sometimes

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Speaker 3: those are the ones that part of the job of

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Speaker 3: a referee is to also protect the player.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know what, when I used to leave on

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Speaker 5: long road trips and we had a young daughter at home.

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Speaker 5: I tell my wife, I go, remember the stuff you

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Speaker 5: like go in the first period's gonna bitch in the

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Speaker 5: button the third period. She's never too young to be told.

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Speaker 5: You know, this is the way it's going to be.

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Speaker 5: And I think it's the same for refereeing. You need

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Speaker 5: to start out strong with a strong standard, not calling

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Speaker 5: cheap penalties, because the first penalty you call, you want

870
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Speaker 5: to make sure you can maintain that standard. You don't

871
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 5: want to call something you go, that's that's kind of soft,

872
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 5: but you want to make sure if it's a penalty early,

873
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 5: you have to grab that penalty. And I think as

874
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 5: long as you keep grabbing those penalties early, you're not

875
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 5: going to see the muggings late in the game because

876
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 5: the players are aware they're gonna call it. If if

877
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 5: you have a looser standard to start, things start to snowball,

878
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 5: and then human nature is a referee nothing. Sometimes nothing

879
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 5: ends up looking that bad, and I just it goes incrementally.

880
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 5: It doesn't go from zero sixty one second. You know,

881
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 5: it's just a little bit over the line each time.

882
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 5: So it's a terrible feeling when stuff's happening in the

883
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 5: ice and you're trying to decide when am I going

884
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 5: to put the hammer down? Because it's getting out of hand.

885
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 5: And I've been there, believe me, many nights and it's

886
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 5: not fun. So I think you have to tell yourself

887
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 5: start from when the drop of the pot can be

888
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 5: prepared and start calling penalties.

889
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 6: The rule I have an issue with our question about

890
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 6: is the off side one where like a goal could

891
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 6: be scored but then it's ruled off because thirty five

892
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 6: seconds ago in the zone entry guy's millmeter offside, right, Like,

893
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 6: I'm surely there's gotta be a balance there where it's

894
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 6: like you know, I don't know what the balance is,

895
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 6: but like I know, off sides, off sides, but like

896
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 6: with there should be a limit of like how many

897
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 6: seconds pass between the off sides and a play. You

898
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 6: just have to play the game at that point, right,

899
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 6: he's able to a zone contry all that stuff.

900
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, so one thing I believe it was

901
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: mister Betman has said it.

902
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 5: He goes, if we're going to do video rep be

903
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 5: careful what you wish for because the genie's out.

904
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: Of the bottle. I mean, you can't if you're going

905
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: to have video reoplay.

906
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 5: To get things right. You have to get everything right.

907
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 5: You can't just say we're going to get some things right.

908
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 5: So I understand why we have to do that, and

909
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 5: that's I don't I don't know what the answer is.

910
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 5: But when the off side rule was brought in long

911
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 5: before any of us were born, that was not it

912
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 5: was not designed to be held to those tolerances that were.

913
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: Now trying to hold it to.

914
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 5: It was to prevent a team from getting an advantage,

915
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 5: a market advantage over the defender. So I guess there's

916
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 5: ways you could fit. I mean you could you could

917
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 5: put a shot clock.

918
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: Type thing on it.

919
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 5: You could say, did the defensive team gain possession of control?

920
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: If they did, then all bets are off. I mean,

921
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: there's ways to do it.

922
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 5: I'm not sure there's appetite for that, and you know

923
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 5: it's way above my pay grade.

924
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: YEP.

925
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: Final one for you, Davin, will let you get on

926
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 3: the air. Twenty fourteen. You were in the last Olympics

927
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 3: as a referee in Sochi when NHL players were there.

928
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: They have not been there since.

929
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: They're going there this this this upcoming February. What kind

930
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 3: of an honor was it? To get to get that

931
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: call that you were going. And you know, when you

932
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 3: look at that experience, what was it like for you?

933
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 5: Well, that fall that summer we had a change of

934
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 5: regime and Stephen Walkom took over. Going into that that fall,

935
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 5: I kind of in my head, I never thought I

936
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 5: would be selected or I was going. So as we got,

937
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 5: you know, into like November, my wife booked a cruise

938
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 5: for that. I said, that's the nail on the coffine

939
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 5: right there, Honey, you booked a cruise.

940
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 2: I'm probably going to the Olympics.

941
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 5: And sure enough, about a week later, Steven Walkom in

942
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 5: for me that I was going to the Olympics. So

943
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 5: it was I wouldn't say bittersweet. Is it honored of

944
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 5: a lifetime to go? But you know, I was just joking.

945
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 5: My family had to go on the cruise without me.

946
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 5: But going to Russia, you never think, especially as gifting Canada,

947
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 5: you're ever going to go to Russia. And I spent

948
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 5: eighteen days there. It was It was just being there,

949
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 5: being with all the athletes, with all the all the spectators,

950
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 5: some all different countries, all the languages being boken.

951
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 2: It was much bigger than hockey.

952
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 5: It was it was being in a foreign land with

953
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 5: all these people coming together for the love of sports,

954
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 5: and it was it was just phenomenal.

955
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: Was it tough to adjust to different rules?

956
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: I mean, because it's like, I know, hockey's hockey, but

957
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 3: it is not NHL rules technically, right.

958
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: HF rules. Hockey is hockey.

959
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 5: There's some housekeeping rules, you know, a game misconduct versus

960
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 5: you know, a five minute major. You can't keep guys

961
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 5: in the game as much. But I mean the rules

962
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 5: are still basically just saying. The biggest adjustment was it

963
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 5: was played on a big ice surface, whereas now this year,

964
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 5: I believe they're playing NHL size surfer, maybe even a

965
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 5: foot or too smaller. But on the big ice surface,

966
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 5: it's a different game. Yeah, your angles are different and

967
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 5: that was the biggest adjustment for me.

968
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

969
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: One thing we will not see is Kachuck fight Sam

970
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 3: Bennett and Kachuck fight Brandon Hegel. And as we saw

971
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 3: on the Four Nations, Dave absolutely Pleasure is always talking

972
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 3: to you. One of the great refs that I've covered

973
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 3: in the game and just awesome on TV. You know,

974
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 3: I always say I wish T and T had one too,

975
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 3: because I just think you had such value to an

976
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 3: ESPN broadcast.

977
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: So thanks.

978
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: That's Dave Jackson, uh, ESPN ref, NHL on X or

979
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: ESPN NHL ref.

980
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: What we Okay? There we go?

981
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 5: I think.

982
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

983
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: I'm busy fing with people on one of the cool

984
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 3: things trust me, you know I feud with people. One

985
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: of the cool things about you is though that you

986
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: do right back and and if you have a question

987
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: about a call, all of a sudden, you can you

988
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 3: can message that Dave and who will talk to you

989
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: as well?

990
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 2: Answer anyone? Ass I respectful.

991
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll have a quickie final segment

992
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: of the show with Joe Smith and myself. We'll be

993
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: back here on the fan the final segment of the show,

994
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: Michael Russo from The Athletic could joined by my partner

995
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: in crime at the Athletic, Joe Smith, Joe Smith NHL

996
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,959
Speaker 3: on X and Joe Man. Have we had a busy

997
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: couple of weeks, A fun couple of weeks. I think

998
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 3: all Wild fans would agree with that. We've been churning

999
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: out Quinn Hughes story after Quinn Hughes story. What was

1000
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: your reaction right after the trade and how fun has

1001
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: it been just putting together these articles.

1002
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think everybody else I was. I

1003
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: was pretty surprised.

1004
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 6: Like I think the whole hockey world was, in a

1005
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 6: sense of the timing of it, like the win versus

1006
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 6: even more so than the team, right. I think people

1007
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 6: thought he'd be traded maybe closer towards the deadline in Minnesota.

1008
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: Wasn't on the radar for any of us.

1009
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 6: I think at that particular point Bill Garran called four

1010
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 6: or five days before that to Jim Rutherford. But it's

1011
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 6: exciting time for fans, right. I think you know, if

1012
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 6: you're a wild fan, when of the last time you've

1013
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 6: had two three of the top twenty players in the

1014
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 6: world on your team with Boldie and Caprice Off and Hughes.

1015
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 6: But and for us as journalists, I think it's just

1016
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 6: a lot of fun to have a big story and

1017
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 6: try to own that moment, right, like and like try

1018
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 6: to collaborate with you. You're at Edmonton, come to the

1019
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 6: rivalry series. We're doing stuff over the phone and the

1020
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 6: Google doc trying to figure out a way to do

1021
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 6: this and both writing the same profile and Quinn Hughes

1022
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 6: and calling people all left and right, and so it's

1023
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 6: gonna be exhausting time, which after an day road trip

1024
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 6: than another homestand but a fun time as journalists when

1025
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 6: when your beat or your team is the one that's

1026
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 6: in the biggest part of the news cycle and you're like, Okay,

1027
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 6: how can we own the moment?

1028
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: How can we put the best coverage out there?

1029
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 6: How can we get fans to know the new superstar

1030
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 6: in Quinn Hughes And I hope we did that at

1031
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 6: least so far.

1032
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 2: It'll be a thousand articles to come. I know that. Yeah,

1033
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: absolutely a while.

1034
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 3: Play the Nashville Predators tonight six forty five pregame show

1035
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: here on the Fan and seven o'clock the game starts

1036
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 3: seven o eight Punk Drop. You can listen to it

1037
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: here with Joe O'Donnell, Jack Jablonski and Tom Reid have

1038
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 3: the call. I look back to some of our coverage

1039
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 3: at the end of October. I want to scrub it

1040
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: off the website if we could. I mean, both you

1041
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 3: and I never thought that this turnaround would happen.

1042
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 6: I mean the way we wrote it, of course. I

1043
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 6: mean I guess the way we wrote it was.

1044
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, she kind of predicted, like it's like we did say,

1045
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: now is the time that these Vets gotta like.

1046
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 6: I guess up it up And then the day later

1047
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 6: Spurgeon called the team meeting and then the rest is history. Right,

1048
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 6: So took a little advice there, I guess, But no,

1049
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 6: I think I think we both read the moment right

1050
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 6: where it. It was a pretty desperate time, even for

1051
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 6: late October, for this team, and then we've seen teams

1052
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 6: go off to slow starts and it can really come

1053
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 6: out to cost him. But I think what struck me

1054
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 6: more than the fact that they turned it around was

1055
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 6: how they did it, Like they lose such a different team,

1056
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 6: like the Vibes, the confidence those players that were struggling

1057
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 6: so much in the first once of the season, all

1058
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 6: of a sudden. The goaltending was a big part of it,

1059
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 6: right with wallstet being a revelation as far as how

1060
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 6: well he played shoutouts he's had so I.

1061
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: Remember their saved percentages in October, it was crazy.

1062
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 6: And then part of that was how they were playing

1063
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 6: in front of him, front of them, including Gustov said

1064
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 6: after the opening night shut out, with Gusta said, think

1065
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 6: you dnxed everything with the contract column that you.

1066
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: Wrote off from Saint Louis.

1067
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 3: This is why they gave it to him, was my story.

1068
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: And then he couldn't stop a puck for a month.

1069
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 6: So but I think I don't think a lot of

1070
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 6: us saw this coming in terms of like, how like

1071
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 6: eighteen three and two in the next stretch, but especially

1072
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 6: when they are all the injuries that they've had in

1073
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 6: that same time. Was like they were healthy during this

1074
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 6: whole stretch when they were winning games too.

1075
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: So I mean that's the biggest difference between this year

1076
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: and last was that last year they fell apart when

1077
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: they were in the other thing is last year they

1078
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 3: couldn't beat a good team and they just munched on

1079
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: the bad teams.

1080
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 6: This year, they're beaten all the good teams. That's gonna

1081
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 6: be the most encouraging part. I think if if you're

1082
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 6: a Wild fan, not that the REGUS season means the

1083
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 6: same as playoffs, but when going into playoffs last couple

1084
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 6: of years, people wondered, could they beat Winnipeg, could they

1085
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 6: beat dllas in a seven games degrees? And I think

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Speaker 6: if you watch some of the games this year, home

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Speaker 6: games against Dallas, home games against Colorado, last game, obviously

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Speaker 6: Colorado showed how good they were and wild We're pretty

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Speaker 6: tired at that particular point. But but yeah, I think

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Speaker 6: they've shown that they can compete with these teams. Question

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Speaker 6: what they can win a seven game series against them,

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Speaker 6: but I think with the Quinn Hughes acquisition, with the

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Speaker 6: depth they have their lineup now and Chnion's playing strictly well,

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Speaker 6: ches Sanko's finding his game. You know, you're seeing now

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Speaker 6: the full lineup, I think for the first time, right,

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Speaker 6: we put goshin back tonight, so pretty much this is

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Speaker 6: the line with that they envisioned or hoped and so

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Speaker 6: now there's no more guys on the on the on

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Speaker 6: the injury bust there. So I think it'll be interesting

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Speaker 6: to see if they can kind of coexist and mesh

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Speaker 6: and had that kind of chemistry.

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Speaker 2: The road trip will probably help that by.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, seven game road trip coming up after the break,

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Speaker 3: but this is the final home game until January eleventh

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Speaker 3: or twelfth. Joe, you know, the one thing I still

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Speaker 3: think is that they're a center away. When you trade

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Speaker 3: Marko Rossi, that's one area where I think you got

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Speaker 3: to make a move. There are centers out there, whether

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Speaker 3: it's bradon Chin or Nick Schmaltz or the one that

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Speaker 3: I think that they're going to be targeting.

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Speaker 2: Ryan O'Reilly, who we're going to see tonight. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean, obviously a consummate pro, you know, a guy

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Speaker 6: who's been a captain, a guy who's made for playoff hockey,

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Speaker 6: and so I think he would fit the bill here.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if he would be I expending what

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Speaker 6: the deadline prices would be, but I don't think he

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Speaker 6: would be as expensive as some of the bigger name guys.

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Speaker 6: But he was a wild number for about twenty minutes.

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Speaker 2: Was he Yeah, he was.

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Speaker 3: It would be a reacquisition if they get him. Joe

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Speaker 3: really appreciate you coming in. That's Joe Smith from the Athletic,

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Speaker 3: my partner. We double team the team and hopefully everybody

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Speaker 3: enjoys our coverage. Joe O'Donnell, the wild playback play guy,

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Speaker 3: Nico Sturm, thank you for joining as well. Alex Lewis

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Speaker 3: from the Athletic Matt Sell's awesome interview. Really cool that

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Speaker 3: he was able to join and give us really the

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Speaker 3: inside baseball of how this deal got done.

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Speaker 2: Harmon Diele from the Athletic.

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Speaker 3: Ore Canucks beat writer and John Van Beisbrook as well

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Speaker 3: as Dave Jackson came in, Brett blakemore back at the studio,

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Speaker 3: and I've got to think and be nice to Kevin Faalness.

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Speaker 3: This guy, he comes down to the treea this morning

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Speaker 3: to help me do the Nico Stern pre tape and

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Speaker 3: then coming down here all day from three to six

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Speaker 3: thirty when he really doesn't have to off to get

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Speaker 3: him a gift card or something to thank him.

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Speaker 2: Thanks everybody.

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Speaker 3: This is Michael Russo from the Athletic. Until next time,

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Speaker 3: Merry Christmas, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Holidays