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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on wv Z, Boston's

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Speaker 2: Before we get to a different topic, I'd just like

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Speaker 2: to mention that tomorrow night, Tomorrow night, we're going to talk.

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Speaker 2: We talked a little more than a week ago with

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Speaker 2: doctor Michael Gien. He is a former ABC New Science editor.

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Speaker 2: Has an incredible background in terms of his his his

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Speaker 2: scientific background. He literally would be, I guess considered to

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Speaker 2: be a would have been a child prodigy as a

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Speaker 2: young boy, really get into science and he uh, he

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Speaker 2: went to you know, some of the great universities u C.

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Speaker 2: L A. Cornell has a couple of doctorates at least.

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Speaker 2: He has developed a documentary called Believing is Seeing and

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Speaker 2: he explains and I watched a little bit of it tonight.

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Speaker 2: He explains in his documentary that you know, solar systems

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Speaker 2: make galaxies, and galaxies are woven into what they call clusters.

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Speaker 2: Clusters are then woven into super clusters. Superclusters are woven

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Speaker 2: into the cosmic web. Uh. And then there's this there's

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Speaker 2: this concept of the Big Bang theory, quantum vacuum. Bottom

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Speaker 2: line is where does it all come from? You know,

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Speaker 2: we know, is there something out there other than us,

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Speaker 2: and I think that you're going to be fascinated by him.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow night, we will talk for an hour and take

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Speaker 2: your questions, uh, those of you who And I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure if he is religious or not, but I think

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Speaker 2: he has concluded that there is something more out there

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Speaker 2: that has created this, this place where we all live.

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Speaker 2: And I haven't finished watching the documentary, so I don't

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Speaker 2: know what the conclusions are. I'm not even sure if

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Speaker 2: there is a conclusion, but he basically concludes and says

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Speaker 2: that he was taught that science has all the answers,

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Speaker 2: but he said the more that science has answered questions

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Speaker 2: and provided information, he says, now he is convinced that

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Speaker 2: perhaps science as we know it does not have all

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Speaker 2: the answers, and that well, in his words, he believed

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Speaker 2: that seeing was believing, he says, now the title of

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Speaker 2: the documentary is Believing is Seeing. So he's on at

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Speaker 2: ten o'clock tomorrow night, and I think it would be

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Speaker 2: particularly interesting conversation, particularly for many years he was one

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Speaker 2: of the the most familiar faces on ABC newscasts. He

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Speaker 2: knowledge and so much background. He's going to be tough

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Speaker 2: to ignore what his conclusion is. Now, I want to

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Speaker 2: talk about something that happened over the weekend in the

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Speaker 2: Middle East. Now, I don't know about you, but I

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Speaker 2: have a sense that this war started abruptly and we

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Speaker 2: were very successful for the first few days of the war. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming that when you have the Israeli military linked

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Speaker 2: And I think they have accomplished a lot. They have

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Speaker 2: wiped out the leadership so much have they wiped out

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Speaker 2: the leadership in Tehran or in Iran? I don't think

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Speaker 2: they know who they're dealing with at this point. And

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Speaker 2: I said last week, and actually I'm not sure if

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Speaker 2: I said it on the air, if I said it

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Speaker 2: a friends over the weekend, that you know, if when

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Speaker 2: they took out that group of fifty or so leaders,

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Speaker 2: I don't know who they're dealing with. But more importantly,

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Speaker 2: This happened would have been sometime on Friday. Now, I

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Speaker 2: reported this. An a wax Now that is the plane

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Speaker 2: now many outlets. The attack injured more than ten service

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Speaker 2: US Central Command had declined to comment six E thirteen's

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Speaker 2: We apparently have only sixteen of these in the entire

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Speaker 2: Air Force. Six of them had been stationed at the

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Speaker 2: Prince Selton Airbase before the incident, according to open source

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Speaker 2: refueling tankers were also damaged, were damaged, and the A

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Speaker 2: history that helped manage the battlefield in major conflicts. The

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Speaker 2: seventies to provide command and control and intelligence surveillance. And reconnaissance.

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Speaker 2: They have been used extensively in Operation Desert Storm, the

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Speaker 2: counter Islamic State campaign known as Operation Inherent Resolve, but

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Speaker 2: the E three plane is aging its capabilities are falling

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Speaker 2: three fleet has dwindled down to sixteen as the service

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Speaker 2: retires less capable planes. In fiscal twenty twenty four, E

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Speaker 2: three's had a mission capable rate of about fifty six percent,

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Speaker 2: meaning a little more than half were able to fly

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Speaker 2: if you take fifty six percent of sixteen planes sixteen

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Speaker 2: So losing one of the increasingly rare rare air wax

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Speaker 2: a wax, especially one that was apparently being actively used

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Speaker 2: in current operations, could hamper the Air Force's ability to

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Speaker 2: manage battlefields. Airpower experts set now when you take that

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Speaker 2: with the launch of those two ballistic missiles that were

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Speaker 2: directed at the island in the Indian Ocean, Diego Garcia,

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Speaker 2: where the US and British have a combined base twenty

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Speaker 2: five hundred miles away from Iran. Let me tell you, Iran,

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Speaker 2: even after having been bombed now for four weeks, is

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Speaker 2: showing resilience that I didn't expect. Now, again, I'm not

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Speaker 2: for many years, and certainly since last June, anticipated that

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration would unleash firepower military firepower. Are they

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Speaker 2: better prepared to it for it? I mean, their leadership

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Speaker 2: and they're still fighting, and they're still fighting rockets. They're

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Speaker 2: hitting other golf states, they're hitting US bases and other

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Speaker 2: Israel this and now, and particularly with their abilion. Maybe

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Speaker 2: the air base in Saudi Arabia, or maybe it wasn't

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Speaker 2: so I'm looking for your analysis in your reaction. Are

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Speaker 2: the White House I think said four to six weeks.

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Speaker 2: They still could wrap it up in six weeks, but

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Speaker 2: Over there, they have a lot of resources that are available.

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Speaker 2: There's been some talk about they may try to take

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Speaker 2: To the best of my knowledge, the Strait of Hormuz

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Speaker 2: and the two enemies are the US and Israel. I

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Speaker 2: would like to just open it up. Here. We've seen

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Speaker 2: so called correction mode. I don't see the morning briefings

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Speaker 2: Chief of Staff, General Kin. Maybe I'm missing those, but

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Speaker 2: thirteen in the first twenty eight days or so. Now

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Speaker 2: it's thirty days. Monday would make it is day thirty.

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Speaker 2: Here are the numbers. Six one, seven, two, five, four

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Speaker 2: We haven't commented on the No Kings rallies of the weekend.

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Speaker 2: We can do that as well if you would like.

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Speaker 2: But I'd like to talk to you and find out

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Speaker 2: if you are as confident as you were a month ago,

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Speaker 2: you're not impacted by this by what's been going on.

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Speaker 2: Great if you have had a change of heart, love

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Speaker 2: to hear from Missuell. Coming back on night Side. And

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Speaker 2: by the way, ladies, don't let the men dominate the phones.

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Speaker 2: Whenever we talk war in peace, a lot of women

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Speaker 2: don't step up. You are more than welcome to express

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Speaker 2: Let's get right to the Phone's gonna go to Lewis

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Speaker 2: and Shrewsbury. Lewis welcome first this hour and Nightside.

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Speaker 3: H thank you Dan, thanks for allowing me to speak. Sure,

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Speaker 3: I understand, Thanks, I understand. You know you're sort of

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Speaker 3: strike in Saudi. Yes, But to your question, and I

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Speaker 3: think it's a good question. I don't think for a

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Speaker 3: moment that our military has misjudged the Iranians and their capability.

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Speaker 3: I do think the American public did. I think most

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Speaker 3: preparing for all forms of war in different aggressive modes,

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Speaker 3: different scales. It's a country of ninety million people that's had,

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Speaker 3: you know, an extremely big budget for military and terrorism,

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Speaker 3: you know, taking away from the betterment of their country.

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Speaker 3: But I think I think that I think the I think.

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Speaker 4: The reality is that it's not going to be you know,

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I have no problem with with the effort. I

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Speaker 2: Just looking at the story the stories here, this is

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Speaker 2: you next. Marco. If you were there, you've waited a

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Speaker 6: Do you well?

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Speaker 5: All I know is we are in an atrocious situation

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Speaker 5: It's all. I mean, it's the worst thing that we

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Speaker 5: We assassinated them.

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Speaker 5: You know, Dan, why do we keep comparing this crap

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Speaker 5: But as it was, the Saudis those people.

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Speaker 2: What you done?

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Speaker 5: How come they did well?

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Speaker 2: You just keep asking questions. I'm asking you honest questions,

436
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Speaker 2: Dot and If, and I know that they're tough questions,

437
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Speaker 2: but you can handle it. The question is what would

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Speaker 2: if you had been the president? You've been Bush's top

439
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Speaker 2: advisor after nine to eleven, what have you said here?

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Speaker 2: We got to go over there, we got to take

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Speaker 2: out some people. We're going to take out Saddam Hussein.

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Speaker 2: I think that was clearly a mistake saying didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not disagreeing with you, okay, but I'm telling you

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Speaker 2: My question to you is what would have you done?

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Speaker 5: Well? I wouldn't have going to inter Iraq.

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Speaker 2: You're telling me what you're not going to do. You know,

447
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: you're telling me what you're not going to do. Dot.

448
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: We are the big Satan. They have attacked us for years.

449
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: They were responsible and there and their minions were responsible

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Speaker 2: for all the US Marines who died in Beirut when

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Speaker 2: that barracks was exploded. Now, if you want to say,

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Speaker 2: if you want to take DoD, DoD, if you want

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Speaker 2: to take the position that we have no right nor

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Speaker 2: responsibility to have any US military service personnel posted anywhere

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Speaker 2: outside the continental United States or maybe outside of the

456
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Speaker 2: fifty United States. Yeah, that's a legitimate position. But just

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Speaker 2: tell me that's what you believe.

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Speaker 5: Dan, What do you think of what Spain did today?

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Speaker 2: Well, first of first of all, Spain now has a

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Speaker 2: left wing government, uh, and I would expect nothing more

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Speaker 2: from Spain. But if Spain ever needs any help, I

462
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Speaker 2: hope they weren't going to call us. I'm asking you,

463
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Speaker 2: DoD this is a very specific question, and I'm glad

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Speaker 2: I could call. My question to you is very straightforward

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Speaker 2: and simple, and that is, do you do you want

466
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Speaker 2: to tell me that we need to have no US

467
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Speaker 2: troops anywhere in the world other than on US soil.

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Speaker 2: If that's your position and you're a total isolationist.

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Speaker 5: I'm becoming an isolation.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, good enough, Okay, then I understand.

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Speaker 5: We've got to that Hedgehog or whatever his eam is.

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Speaker 5: He is the worst thing. And he says he's the

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Speaker 5: Secretary of War. No, he's the Secretary of Defense.

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Speaker 2: It used to be called the Secretary of Defense. It

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Speaker 2: is now the Secretary of war.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but they change that and they had a nerve

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Speaker 5: to change it. No, this is no such things, secretary watch.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's what that is. What that is what the

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Speaker 2: cabinet is called, DoD. I got to run. I love

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Speaker 2: you call.

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Speaker 5: Oh I know Dan well d and I had to

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Speaker 5: put my two cents for well.

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Speaker 7: I'm glad you did, right, I'm absolutely glad you did

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Speaker 7: all right, all right, thanks DoD, doctor, thanks for us.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back. I got open lines here, which which

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Speaker 2: is appalling six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty

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Speaker 2: six one seven, nine three one ten thirty marco in Havero,

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Speaker 2: don't be embarrassed. You were. You had us on speakerphone

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Speaker 2: and you and you went to get off speakerphone on

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Speaker 2: you inadvertently hung up. Give us a call back. We'll

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Speaker 2: put you ahead the line. I'd love to hear from you,

492
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: because if you don't want to talk about this, I

493
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: have no idea what you want to talk about tonight,

494
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Speaker 2: because there's no bigger story than this. Six one seven, three,

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Speaker 2: one ten thirty six one seven, two, five, four ten

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Speaker 2: thirty Back on nights Out after this.

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Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w B

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Speaker 1: Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: By the way, just one more paragraph here or one

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Speaker 2: more sentence talking about this on E three, a wax

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Speaker 2: plane that that is such an important weapon. Experts said

502
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Speaker 2: losing this E three could create gaps in the air

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Speaker 2: forces battlespace awareness and management, and could lead to missed

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Speaker 2: opportunities to target Iranian forces. It is a significant loss

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Speaker 2: for the war in the short term, said Kelly Greco,

506
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Speaker 2: a defense policy expert senior fellow at the Stimpson Center.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the Stimpson Center is that has

508
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Speaker 2: a consequence. There are going to be coverage gaps. Back

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Speaker 2: to the calls we go. We're going to go to

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Speaker 2: Laurie in Melrose. Hey, Laurie, how are you tonight? Welcome?

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Speaker 8: Oh, pretty good, TEGs. I are a kind of part

512
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Speaker 8: of the subject, but a little of it. All the

513
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Speaker 8: straight straight that they were trying. You know, they want

514
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Speaker 8: to bring the tankers through, ye right, and they they

515
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 8: were putting sold so many tankers came through.

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Speaker 6: They lowed.

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Speaker 8: I understood that they were supposedly minds, how can you

518
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Speaker 8: navigate through mines? Have said, okay, you guys can come through.

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Speaker 8: Now you can't. I mean when there's vines I was confused.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well I don't have an answer for that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe someone in our audience will. I can say two things. One,

522
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Speaker 2: these minds might be stationary minds, mean they might be

523
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Speaker 2: anchored at a specific spot, okay, Or they could be

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Speaker 2: activated remotely. I don't know the answer to your question.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to try to give you.

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Speaker 8: Anyswer, okay, no, no, no, I just I was just

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Speaker 8: curious because remotely would make sense that they get left something,

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Speaker 8: some shifts trew and some not. The other thing is,

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Speaker 8: I don't I feel it was right to I mean,

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Speaker 8: I feel it was right to handle trying an U

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Speaker 8: clear issue and anything but there with them. But I

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Speaker 8: don't think they were fully prepared. I don't think they were.

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Speaker 8: They I think they've missed.

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Speaker 6: Miss cald underestimated calculator.

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Speaker 8: Yeah that's that's that's my take on it. And that's

536
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Speaker 8: the shame of the whole thing that weren't They will

537
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Speaker 8: want to too little bit too much ego.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well again, you know what would they say, Pride

539
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: goes before the fall. But let's let's hope that nonetheless, uh,

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Speaker 2: the military can pull it together and and take care

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Speaker 2: of business. Simple as that I appreciate it than you're welcome.

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Speaker 6: Take care all right.

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Speaker 2: Let me go next to Paul in Wakefield. Paul, you

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Speaker 2: were next on night side.

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Speaker 6: Welcome, Yes, I damn yes. How you doing this? First time?

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Speaker 6: Called a long time listener.

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Speaker 2: First time call along? Okay, we like that. We'll get that.

548
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: Robert is going to get the audience feet to give

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Speaker 2: you a warm welcome.

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Speaker 6: Go right ahead, Paul, I finally got the courage up.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: I see, I know. I didn't you with the We

553
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Speaker 6: had a WU socks gathering a couple of years ago.

554
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Speaker 6: I met you out there. Yes, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, but

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Speaker 6: I do, But I do want to comment. I agree

556
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Speaker 6: with you one hundred and ten percent on that first

557
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Speaker 6: topic there about the congressman not getting paid anytime that

558
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Speaker 6: the the federal worker is, whether it's traffic controllers.

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Speaker 2: Or any federal workers, any federal workers.

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Speaker 6: Should be, any federal any federal and I just get

561
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Speaker 6: tired of them being used as pawns, you know, and

562
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Speaker 6: it's to me, it's political pawns.

563
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Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, being they hope that that they that

564
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Speaker 2: basically stopping them from being paid, that people would call

565
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Speaker 2: in sick or decide to leave, which they did, and

566
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Speaker 2: it would cause people who were at at airports a

567
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Speaker 2: lot of inconvenience. And they succeeded in that, not to

568
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Speaker 2: but to no avail. But they succeeded in the only

569
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Speaker 2: thing they succeeded was inconveniencing fellow Americans. And now they're

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Speaker 2: on a two two week easter recess.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 6: I mean it's so you know what I mean, it's ballsy,

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Speaker 6: you know, for them to do it, you know. And

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Speaker 6: and I was also pretty happy when I noticed that

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Speaker 6: the ICE went into the airports to help out.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and Ice. You know, Ice is fine. I mean,

577
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Speaker 2: they're they're there to help people.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And if they can take some pressure off of TSA

580
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Speaker 2: and make it a little bit smooth for people to

581
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Speaker 2: get to the air to get to the gate, to

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Speaker 2: get on their plane on time, I'm all for that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I saw a matter of fact, I saw a

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Speaker 6: home and just yesterday or today just make it a

585
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Speaker 6: comment on a video, and he said that they can

586
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Speaker 6: continue to do that until the let's get back to normal.

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Speaker 2: And I agree, I agree with Holand on that as well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he seems to become the voice of reason

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Speaker 2: here within the Department after after Nome and and the

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Speaker 2: guy from California Von Vigno or whatever his name was, Paul,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking the time of call, man, I

592
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Speaker 2: really do. And particularly I got one thing.

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Speaker 6: I want to run by it though I'm also like you,

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Speaker 6: I want to see Trump, you know, you know, I

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Speaker 6: want to see him accomplished. I want to see him,

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Speaker 6: you know, work it out with Iran, you know. And

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Speaker 6: so anyway, two weeks ago, on Saturday, I don't know

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Speaker 6: if you recalled or off, they had a rally at

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Speaker 6: the state House and it was Iranian Americans and I

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Speaker 6: saw it in the local news and the guy with

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Speaker 6: the bullhorn, they interviewed him, and basically they were rallying

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Speaker 6: and to say thank you to the to the administration.

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Speaker 6: I saw that too, did you see it? I was

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Speaker 6: pretty shocked that that was covered. And that guy said

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Speaker 6: that this is an investment in Iran, and he said

606
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Speaker 6: that this should have been done many, many years ago.

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Speaker 2: So it's like, why why should it not be covered.

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Speaker 2: That's a new story. They cover the anti demonstrations, they

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Speaker 2: should become a positive demonstrations. I'm disappointed that I haven't

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Speaker 2: heard from more Iranian American callers tonight and and and

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Speaker 2: maybe we'll do it again this week later with one

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Speaker 2: of my guests. But if there's anyone out there who

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Speaker 2: wants to join the conversation, we will. We will continue on.

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Speaker 2: But I've got to jump off here. Paul, how did

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Speaker 2: you probably once I expect to hear back from you.

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Speaker 2: You did a great job. Thank you, Paul, appreciate it

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Speaker 2: very much. Thank you for being a loyal listener. Okay,

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Speaker 2: for those of you on the line, I'm told that

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Speaker 2: my computer needs to be restarted remotely during the eleven

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Speaker 2: o'clock news by Iheart's central command. So well, therefore, if

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Speaker 2: we lose you and you're on the line now, please

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Speaker 2: call back right after the newscast. I will I will

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Speaker 2: wait for you on the other side. This has happened

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Speaker 2: to me now. This is the second time that they

625
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: have told me remotely we're going to restart your computer

626
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Speaker 2: and you don't. They couldn't start it at a worse time.

627
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Speaker 2: Could they start it like at two in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Could they started at nine in the morning, two in

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Speaker 2: the afternoon, five in the afternoon. No, they have me scheduled,

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Speaker 2: which makes me very upset. So if you're calling in now.

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Speaker 2: Please tell this fella to also call in. If we

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Speaker 2: lose them, we'll see what happens. They're supposed to take

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Speaker 2: it down for about five minutes. I'll be back right

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Speaker 2: after the news. Bill and Ron and Steve call back

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Speaker 2: if we lose you, Okay, coming back right after the

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Speaker 2: eleven o'clock news on Night Side