1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Five, six, six, nine zeros are Kae Commensbury hell text 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: line if you want to interact with the show a 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: couple of texts here. You can't quantify the it's factor 4 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: in bo has it statistically. 5 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: Lway wasn't great either. I mean there's a little bit 6 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 2: of that too. 7 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you're comparing different eras, and I 8 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: mean I don't want to talk about the cliche part 9 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: of that, but I'm just saying, like different eras and 10 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: what you were, you know, from from an athletic standpoint, 11 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: I take John Elway over bow Nicks. 12 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: But yeah, but I also would say for what. 13 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually that's pretty much it from an athletic standpoint, 14 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: and a quarterback is damn play to John Elway. But yes, 15 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: I see you were point about this the statistics, but 16 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: it was again nineteen eighty three was when he came 17 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: into the league and we now live in an era 18 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: of NFL football where it is all about the passing offense. 19 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the Golden Arrow and it's it's just a 20 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: it's a different game. Yeah. I mean John arroway with 21 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: you know, early on in his career was throwing the 22 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: ball fifteen to twenty times a game, and seven of 23 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: those would be a shot, you know, out of that 24 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: play action, out of the eye and you were you're 25 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: throwing forty fifty yards down the field. You know, just 26 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: just a different, different era, different game, and not really comparable. 27 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: I think it's funny though, I mean, you look at 28 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: some of this stuff, and there's some of these guys 29 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: out there, I don't think people realize how good they were. 30 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, Derek Carr is top twenty 31 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 2: and like every passing statistical category. If there's some names 32 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 2: out there that if I told you had more yards 33 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: and more touchdowns, he'd be like, holy crap, really, you know, 34 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 2: like that kind of stuff. I think one of the 35 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: most the injury, like some of the interesting things like 36 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: Ross's top you know fifteen and everything this was coming. 37 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: I'm not that's I'm just saying that's one of those 38 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: names you go down how far that was. He wasn't 39 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: even the guy who want to talk about like. 40 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: You're gonna know, you're gonna tell me that he would 41 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: be better off with the Broncos and they'd be better 42 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: off then. 43 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: I don't know anything about that. But the real thing 44 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about was like Drew Brees. You know, 45 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: you know how far he and Tom Brady are ahead 46 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: of everybody else in touchdowns? Like, like how far ahead 47 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: they are, like excemely far ahead? Uh, Patrick Mahomes. If 48 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: you doubled his touchdowns, he's currently had two hundred and 49 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: sixty three touchdowns, right, if you doubled his his touchdowns, 50 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 2: that puts you at what five hundred and twenty six 51 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: He would still need fifty more touchdowns to catch Drew Brees. Wow. 52 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: That that's I mean, that's insane you talking about it. 53 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: And again we're we're still in that and we're on 54 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: the other side of that era a little bit, but 55 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: we were. We were in the midst of when it 56 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: was Roethlisberger and Breeze and Peyton and Tom Bray. I 57 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: mean that they just threw the ball over the place. 58 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, running game like whatever. Like I mean, yeah, 59 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: you have the Adrian Peterson seasons or whatever, but for 60 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: the most. 61 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: Part, it's all about quarterbacks. Yeah, I mean Philip Rivers, 62 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: Philip Rivers doesn't get the love, but he's sixth all 63 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: time in passing touchdowns. But he's a he's all famers, 64 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: so should be. Yeah. Well, there's no argument against it, 65 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: is I mean, there are people he never made a 66 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, you. 67 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: Know, I mean maybe, but then we got to do 68 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: that with I mean Cadan Marino made one and then 69 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: like didn't do anything else. 70 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 2: As Rivers says, more touch Downds and Dan Marine. But 71 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: of course he does. But the offenses he quarterbacks were silly. 72 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: He also had Hall of famers like LaDainian Tomlinson. You know, 73 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: it's a different conversation. A couple of other texts here. 74 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: Bonex is kind of like Jake Plumber from a comparison 75 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: other mobility stuff, somebody bigger Arm, all. 76 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: This capability stuff. I can kind of see the elusivity 77 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: I'll get with I start of see where youre going. 78 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: But Plumber was his better athlete, Bigger Arm. Do you 79 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: guys think bo can rush for forty to fifty yards 80 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: a game and will be enough to make up for 81 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: the loss of j K. 82 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: And give him a chance to run for I think 83 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: you want him running that much? Well you don't, but 84 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: you're gonna have to supplement it somewhere, like maybe you 85 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: start the game with some readoption stuff, like early on 86 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: you get some some zone read stuff with with Bow 87 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: and RJ. You know, maybe, but if you if Bo's 88 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: running for forty fifty yards a game, something went wrong, 89 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: something went horribly wrong, and and the last thing you 90 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: wanted your quarterback taking that many hits that late in 91 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: the season. 92 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: I say per game, no, But if he does run 93 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: for forty or fifty in a game. 94 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: I don't know, especially if you're in the playoffs. 95 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: And I'm all using this as a small caveat, I'd 96 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: say down the stretch here, yeah, you don't want to 97 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: make that to design, But if you're in one off games. 98 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: And you get a chunk run or something like that, Okay, 99 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: but you don't. You definitely don't want that dude getting 100 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: ten twelve carries a game because I want the ball 101 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: in his hands. Like That's the one thing I will 102 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: say that I've liked that about where this team is 103 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 2: at is you have a belief, and I know the 104 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: fan base feels it, and certainly the team feels it. 105 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: It's like you like the ball in his hands. 106 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: Yeah in a fourth quarter moment and say, hey, he's 107 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: gonna make plays. He's gonna do the right thing to 108 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: put this team in a position of success. Now, the 109 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: first three quarters maybe you're saying, let's get the defense 110 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: back out there and then see what else we can do. 111 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: But for the fourth quarter, that's why I was so 112 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 2: confident they're gonna win that game. I was like, if 113 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: they're within a. 114 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: Score in the fourth quarter and the ball is in 115 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: Bonix's hands, he's gonna make the right choice. 116 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it might. Mike Ripe, here is the 117 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: way this is phrased, because he's talking about forty or 118 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 2: fifty yards a game, which is the result, And I'd 119 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: be more talking about the process. Like, you don't want 120 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: bow having ten to twelve carries a game. If he's 121 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: got four or five, six, you're okay with that, and 122 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: one of those is a chunk where you get into 123 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: that forty to fifty r range. Fine, But you don't 124 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: want ball having more than four or five carries. Again, 125 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: you just don't want to. The last thing you want 126 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: is getting the body worn down at the end of 127 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: the season like that and taking those hits. 128 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: Like this text, that's a way overrated measurement for how 129 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: good a player is. That's not to use X sears 130 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: that's coming at you. No, I don't know if I 131 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: subscribe to the way overrated. I do think that if 132 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: it's used. 133 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: Predominantly, I mean to textualize your productivity. I mean, we 134 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: can always just go with gut rating. 135 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: But hold on, but it can contextualize it, either to 136 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: confirm or sometimes to Well. 137 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: You can frame stats to do anything you want. I'm 138 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 2: just saying, if you can, you can use them so 139 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 2: to sort of contextualize performance, especially when you started using 140 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: them on rate play or a percentage basis. 141 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: Because I saw and I brought it up to day 142 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, there was a guy with 143 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: it at Dancay Analytics that used them to twist himself 144 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: into knots to prove that the Chiefs actually should have 145 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: won that game against the Broncos. 146 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: I was looking at the scoreboard and one team had 147 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: less points than the other, and I think that's the 148 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: team that should have won and lost. 149 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: That's exactly what he did, is he said, based on 150 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: the advanced analytics, and then I know Segars saw the 151 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: same thing, based only the advanced analytics, the Chiefs actually 152 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: made more plays than the Broncos to win that game. 153 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: Well, if they had made more plays, then they would 154 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: have made more plays. Something's wrong with your advant your analytics. 155 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: Something's wrong with your math. And he moved him up 156 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: on his power rankings the Chiefs and he moved and 157 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: he left the Broncos at eleven. The what are we 158 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: talking about here? Is this nick right or something else? 159 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 2: Kevin cork who Kevin Coley? I has formula. The funny 160 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: thing about formula he had. He's a pff guy. 161 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 3: I think his formula had the Broncos actually still beating 162 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: the Chiefs, but rather than twenty two nineteen, the formula 163 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: thought it should have been like a one point Broncos win. 164 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 3: And he was like, oh, you know, it was in 165 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: Denver and there were some funky things that happened, so 166 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 3: more of a Chiefs win. 167 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, he gave the Chiefs the win by one, even though. 168 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 3: His formula still said the Broncos deserved the win. 169 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 2: What's his name? I think it's Kevin Cork right, cole 170 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 2: yh Kevin cole So he sounds like a real quick 171 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: soaker to me. 172 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: We interviewed him at the Combine one year, Yeah, we did, 173 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: we did. He's mean, he's a nice guy. 174 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: But this is where to the point of the text, 175 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,559 Speaker 2: this is ludicrous. This is the point where we're taking 176 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: math to take like we don't. The games are not 177 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: one and lost with the advanced ratio formula that you know, 178 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: the square root of pie. The game's won by how 179 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: many touchdowns and field goals you scored, how many you 180 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: prevent the opponent from doing anymore? Ben not anymore. That's 181 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: this is where you rt for the players to play 182 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: something out on the field and they'll look up to 183 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: see what their advanced analytics scores were. Who actually won 184 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: the game? Right? You know? I thought I had a 185 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: sack there, But not everything. By the way, not every 186 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: formula some dude cooks up at an advanced analytic If 187 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: something's telling you that a team that won actually lost, 188 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: it's just bad math. It was pretty funny to see. 189 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm just he moved the Chiefs up 190 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: to the number two team in the NFL and left 191 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: the Broncos at eleven. If that's your opinion on it. Sure, 192 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: if you're basing that off some sort of mathematical thing, 193 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: I would your math has a problem. Math is not mathing. 194 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I agree a sentiment, and honestly, and I say, 195 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: maybe this is a little bit of a Dave Logan's 196 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: work on me. Here the my when I when I 197 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,239 Speaker 1: first started the show, I try to bring a little 198 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: bit of the advanced analytic flavor to the show. 199 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: And I still read that stuff. I still pay attention 200 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: to that stuff. 201 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: But I noticed when I'm talking to to a former player, 202 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: a guy that obviously knows a lot about the game, 203 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: when you're trying to bring advanced analytics into the conversation, boy, 204 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: it's got to be really. 205 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: Strong standing stuff. 206 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: And most of the time, I feel like the advanced 207 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: analytics are like one tiny piece of like a much 208 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: bigger puzzle. So when you're using one of them, like say, 209 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: well I got the ZPA stat or I get this one, 210 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: you know, the dvoay stat, then you bring that to 211 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: an NFL player and they're like, all right, listen, man, 212 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: what is this. 213 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 2: I watched the game? Yeah, so what are you trying 214 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: to tell me here? 215 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: Because I actually watched the game and I can tell 216 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: you that what that SAT is telling you or telling 217 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: me is not the same thing. 218 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 2: Well see, and that's what I like to do. I 219 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: like I like to look for those kinds of numbers 220 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 2: that stand out in a sense that like, Okay, this 221 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 2: is saying this right, but I saw this so which 222 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: one of us is wrong? Let me go back to 223 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 2: the tape. Is this suggesting that I'm missing something here? 224 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: Or is there math just bad? And most of the 225 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: cases I find out, everybody's got some cuty, little mathematical formula. 226 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: Most of them are pod garbage. But we all are 227 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: a sucker for content, so we all, you know, we 228 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 2: all get into that kind of stuff at the end 229 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: of the day. Is this really contextualizing? Is this really 230 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 2: showing what a guy does? And is it showing it 231 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: across a broad spectrum while taking out the highs and 232 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 2: lows of a game. It's a lot different throwing for 233 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: six yards on first down than it is throwing on 234 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: third and four in the fourth quarter with two minutes 235 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: left to go. And so like, you know, evaluating those 236 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: throws and evaluating what somebody's doing in those each situation 237 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 2: is different. What DEFENSI are they thrown? It? Is there pressure? 238 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 2: You just can't back there looking to you know, pick 239 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: somebody apart. So you know, again, there's a lot of 240 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: cutely mathematical formulas out there, most of which are hot garbage. Yeah, 241 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: I don't know how much arguement for that kind of 242 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: confirms my priors he does it. Yeah, well, according to 243 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: my Ryan ratio over here it said that you are 244 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 2: going to agree with that. 245 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: So there was a really cool moment sort of changing 246 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: gears here for a second. There was a really cool 247 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: moment in an article with Jeremy Fowler. He does kind 248 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: of a I don't know, NFL week buzz kind of thing, 249 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: like the whether what's the buzz around the league? 250 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: And he was in Denver for the Broncos. 251 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: In chiefs gamp and he pointed out something that we 252 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: talked about during training camp, but I hadn't I hadn't 253 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: thought about it again until he said something about it. 254 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: But really, now going back and looking at the focus 255 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: the Broncos had on situational football, you remember how they 256 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: practiced a lot of situations. And he said that when 257 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 1: he was talking to some players, and I'll reach this 258 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: quote here. He says Denver was one in six and 259 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: one score games last season, and Zach Allen told me 260 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: the coaching staff made that a key point all off season. 261 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: The staff told the team that have focus on details 262 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: and situational football would turn that around this season. They're 263 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: seven and two and one score games and currently the 264 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: one seed in the projected AFC playoff field. So his 265 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: point and what Zach Allen said to him is the 266 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: reason why we're winning these one score games is because 267 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: we focused a lot and they really did. They really 268 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: focused a lot on it. In situational football, that's. 269 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: The advanced analytics that matter, right for where are the margins? 270 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: Where are we losing the margins here? Because every game, 271 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: you know, fifty to fifty of it is not But 272 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, where can we give ourselves one, two, 273 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: three percent better chances to win here? There? Whatever? That's 274 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: to me the crux of advance, and that's what that is. 275 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: That's saying, hey, we had some market inefficiencies here because 276 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: we're not maximizing situational football. So we're going to spend 277 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: this offseason, this training camp or whatever hitting these situations 278 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: to make sure that we're at our best, at our 279 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: peak performance in these critical situations. And we see how 280 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 2: that carries forward. And you can say, I mean undeniably 281 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: at this point. 282 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: That the Broncos are, if not the best, one of 283 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: the best teams in the league right now a situational 284 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: football fourth quarter, situational football moments when they have to 285 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: have it, whether it's a defensive stop or an offensive 286 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: first down third and fifteen completely a twenty yard pass 287 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: to Corland Sudden. They didn't blink. That wasn't an issue, 288 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: and last year that was an issue at times. I mean, 289 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: they did have the drive that ended up being the 290 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: Blackfield goal against the Chiefs. 291 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: That could have been. 292 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: A different storyline, but ended up being what has been 293 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: the cases, the Chiefs find to win and win and 294 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: teams find a way to lose. This year, they flipped 295 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: that on their head, and a lot of that has 296 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: to do with the focus of this offseason. And again 297 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: it was one of those deals were's happening in training camp. 298 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: You're saying, okay, well great, but the situations will always 299 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: be different. 300 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 2: I mean, you just laid it out what it is. 301 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: Third and four in the first quarter versus third and 302 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: four in a high pressure situation in the fourth quarter 303 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: are vastly different discussions, and so does practice third and 304 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: four in trading camp. 305 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: It's tough to recreate. Why are different? You know they're different. 306 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: They we all know they're different. But third and four 307 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. They did that. They would do 308 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 2: those kinds of things. They put the clock up there 309 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: on the board and they say okay. Sean would be 310 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: standing in between the offense and the defense and saying, Okay, 311 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 2: this is what you need and this is what you 312 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: need to do. We need to find a way you defense, 313 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: you've got to get You've got to get a stop here, 314 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 2: because they're gonna. 315 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: Be a field goal range offense. You've got ten yards. 316 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: You've got to get these ten yards or else we're 317 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: gonna lose this game. And I love that they did that, 318 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: and Sean specifically to his credits, standing in the middle 319 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: of it, talking to both sides of the ball. 320 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 2: There's there's there's there's a confidence that comes from knowing 321 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: that you know what you're doing in every situation, right, 322 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 2: And I think that's I think that's what that is 323 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 2: is versus last year, What are we doing here? You're 324 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 2: looking over the sidelines. They're not doing that. This year's third, third, 325 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: and fifteen. We got to get these we know what 326 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: we're doing, we know who we're going to let's get 327 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: to play and let's go and and there's there's a 328 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 2: value I think in having the confidence that we've had 329 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: the reps, we practiced this specific situation, and we think 330 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: we can go there again thirteen. This is not a 331 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: long shot. This is we're gonna go out there and 332 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: get it, or we're not. Defense is gonna stall them 333 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: and we'll come back and try it again. And so 334 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: there's a there's a symbiotic value in that. You can't 335 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: put a mathematical formula on that. There's no there's no 336 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: you know, analytic or whatever it is. At the end 337 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 2: of the day, there's nothing there for that other than 338 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: we put the reps in. We put the reps in 339 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: for these specific situations. We got the confidence that we 340 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 2: can execute in that situation, and now it's up to 341 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: us to go ahead and deliver. 342 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: And that's why I do have a lot of confidence 343 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: that they can close this season strong and put themselves 344 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: in position not only to win the division, but take 345 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: a run here at the one seed. 346 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I still think they're going to lose 347 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: a couple of games down the stretch here, but I 348 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: pretty well positioned for the number one seed. When you 349 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: when you take everything into context with their schedule, opponent 350 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: schedules that can catch them and everything else, and where 351 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: the health or some of those teams are, they're in 352 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: pretty good shape to get to come away with a number. 353 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: Which games worry the most Packers. They're so hit or missed. 354 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: When they show up, they show up. Sure, I mean 355 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: when they don't, they don't. But when they show up, 356 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: they show up Kansas City on Christmas, that's gonna be taught. 357 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: That's just tough anyway. That worries me. And and the 358 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: fact that for whatever reason Sean Payton just he gets 359 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: he gets beat by can Marball. You know, even with 360 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: them living three more losses, even with the living to 361 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: finished eye had them as twelve and five. So you know, 362 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: I adjusted from the eleven win beginning of the season 363 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: prediction to twelve and five. Okay, now I'm going to 364 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: continue in the Kowa pick things to pick against them 365 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: every week and keep the thing going. The Commanders Commanders 366 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: are going to win ninety nine to four. By the way, 367 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: that's a serious, real score that people should really pay 368 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: attention to. Well, you are a dan Quinn guy. Listen 369 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: if dan Quinn wins, though, all y'all got to shut 370 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: up for a week, are you kidding me, every every 371 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: single one of you, that that is the dumbest thing 372 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: you Specifically, I'm talking about the listeners out there who 373 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: came after me when I wanted dan Quinn. You guys 374 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 2: wanted a young, fresh offensive mind, and boy, you got 375 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: one in Nate Hackett. I've admitted that you were right 376 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: about that. I've given you your flowers on that I'm 377 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: not It's not like I only got one flower and 378 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: I needed a half dozen. Why don't you start by 379 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: giving me flowers for calling the Chiefs game last week, 380 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: which you still have not done on the air. I 381 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: didn't do that on the air. You came in here 382 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: like during a break you'd been like, you're. 383 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: I can't even say yeah, it disgusts me if you 384 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: want if you want to actually say something beautiful, you 385 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: knocked out. 386 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: Of the park on that one. Was that as fulfilling 387 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: as you wanted to be? I was? I was consistently, 388 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: It's a little bit weeks. I had to ask for it, 389 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: but I was. 390 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: Consistently over the course of the week telling you that 391 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: I thought the Broncos were going to win that game 392 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: and it was for the exact read. 393 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: Belief or boldief, whatever the case may be. 394 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you And that's the thing, Like, as much 395 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: as you're having fun with your bit, you have legitimately 396 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: picked against the Broncos in the Dallas, Houston and Kansas 397 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: City games. 398 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: You was legitimately just bought it in Kansas City, dallasse 399 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: stop it. You were talking about how good their offense was. 400 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: In the Broncos offense can't keep pace, I said, if 401 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: it turned into a shootout, they couldn't keep paid. Yes, 402 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 2: I said. I also said, because that sort of makes 403 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: it sound like I was leaning one way when I 404 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: was actually leading the other. I also said, already you 405 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: omitted here that they had the worst defense in the 406 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: NFL historically bad defense, Joy Vampire. No, I'm just just 407 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: proper kind of so let me let me understand this 408 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: really quick. So we already know you're to pick Washington 409 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: to win. Yes, that's the bit. If you will, do 410 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 2: I actually think Washington's gonna win? No, I don't. We 411 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: think have Jaydon Daniels out there, then we have a 412 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: different converce. At least we have you on tape saying that. Now. No, no, no, no, 413 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: don't you If they have Jayde Daniels, then that means 414 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 2: you think Washington is gonna win this game. It's a 415 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: different conversation. If Marcus Mariowne is out there, they beat 416 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 2: him hands down. 417 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: Okay, if Jade Daniels plays is, then we have to 418 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: have a conversation. 419 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: I don't know what he's like. I don't I don't 420 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 2: know what eighty percent of Jayden Daniels is. You know 421 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 2: that kind of thing. It's a different conversation. But he'd 422 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 2: be out there at a hundred percent. That's a real conversation. 423 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to pin you down something because I 424 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: don't want you coming in afterwards and saying I was 425 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: right either way. Yeah, I'm gonna do that. Either way, 426 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: Washington win, and then if they waited, you'd be like 427 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:45,959 Speaker 2: I told you all the day. But it was awesome. 428 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 2: And then the six game losing streak and they really 429 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 2: banged up he is. But they I mean, they made 430 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 2: a mistake trying to think that they could go back 431 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 2: by just patching that defense up with a bunch of 432 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: old bodies, and it's very clearly didn't work, and they're 433 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 2: gonna have to do a defensive rebuild this year. You're maddening. 434 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: I love you to death, but you are maddening. That's 435 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: sort of the point. If I just get if if 436 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 2: I just let you off the hook, let you have it, easy. 437 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: Nobody be listening right now. As far as the game 438 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 2: is down the stretch, you know, the Green Bay game, 439 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 2: if you're gonna lose that one, that's that's actually an 440 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 2: okay one because it's NFC. I mean, that's you know, 441 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 2: they will lose that. But I'm like, if I look 442 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 2: down the stretch, I'm like, man, I. 443 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: Even Washington honestly like, and I'm not saying you're gonna 444 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: lose that. I think they're gonna win that game handling 445 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: because that defense is really banged up. 446 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: I think they'll be watching. But but the point of 447 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: it is, if you're gonna lose, if you have to 448 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: lose anything, lose the NFC games, right, You don't want 449 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,719 Speaker 2: to lose the Jacksonville Kansas City Chargers, you know like 450 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: those games, Well, the Raiders, they're not gonna lose that. 451 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 2: But that's what I'm. 452 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: Saying, Like, you can't AFC games count so much, especially 453 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: in this tie breaker, right and in all these kinds 454 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: of scenario. 455 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: So that's the thing, like like Jacksonville, which of the 456 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: which of those teams is showing up? Green Bay? Which 457 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: of those teams is showing up? You don't you don't know, 458 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 2: And then Kansas City Charge. So there's four games there 459 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: that I'm like, have an eyebrow raise the rest of 460 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 2: these they should win, and they should win Washington. If 461 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: Jayden's out there, it changes the conversation a little bit, 462 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 2: but they should still win. Now though, if you just 463 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: win your home games, like at this point, you just 464 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: win your home games, you get twelve and then steal 465 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 2: one more and then thirteen. 466 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: We heard from Nick Cosmator, thirteen is the magic number. Yeah, 467 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I think they're at twelve. 468 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: They can probably and they could probably get to thirteen 469 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong on you know. 470 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: Yea. 471 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: So if you win your home game against the Chargers, 472 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: Jacksonville and Green Bay, and then you get the Raiders. 473 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 2: Games their team, that's it. That's enough, right. But your 474 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 2: home games are Green Bay, Jags, U and what Chargers. Yeah, 475 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 2: and those are the toughest. That's that's the meat of 476 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 2: those games outside of the Kansas City Christmas. What do 477 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 2: we do to piss off the football guds and get that? 478 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not great, like Ben moonwalking on the text line, No, 479 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: Ben's Ben's consistently playing both sides. He consistently plays both 480 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: sides it's part of the charm. 481 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 2: I'm just I'm trying to have fun with it. And 482 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: you know, and you know how it is, like if 483 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: we're being honest here, they're gonna blow the doors off 484 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 2: watching Please be honest, Like they're gonna blow the doors 485 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 2: off Washington. Jayden's out there, it becomes closer, it becomes 486 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 2: a little more fun. But if Marcus Barrio's out there, 487 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 2: this isn't even a game. But it's as you said, 488 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: it's like an eighty percent maybe even less of him 489 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: because he's not going to be scrambling as much. Well, 490 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: and that's my question, like I don't know what he is, 491 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: you know, I think that's the question in my mind's 492 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: like I don't know what he is as that you know, 493 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: at full strength, Jade Daniels, it doesn't matter what defense 494 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: they have. It's a game that guy's just got He's like, bo, 495 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 2: he's got it. 496 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, man, it's almost malpractice of that 497 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: coaching staff to put this Broncos defense in front of 498 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels. Like it's amount of hits, the amount of 499 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: pressures they get on quarterbacks, that would be malpractice in 500 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: their part. 501 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 2: I know, I start to make the same argument. I 502 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 2: still think you try to win until you're eliminated. It's 503 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: not trying to win. You always try to win. This 504 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: if you can't win with Marcus Barrio, he's one in five, Like, 505 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: you can't win with him, it's it's it's not that 506 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: you're not practice. They win with your backup. It's your 507 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 2: franchise quarterback. 508 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: You're putting him out in front of the defense that 509 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: leads the league in Sackson hits. 510 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 2: If you don't believe it aggravates the you know, if 511 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 2: you don't think it's I mean, even the injury he 512 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 2: had was so off the wall bizarre with the you know, 513 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 2: the off like if you don't believe it's going to 514 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 2: change anything for that, I don't know. I don't know 515 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 2: that I agree with that. I think you try to win, 516 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 2: and I think you try to play with the players. 517 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: You think we're gonna get you win till you get eliminated. 518 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: Lesson there. It's good though, I mean, like people have listened. 519 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 2: They know, like they know what's going on. It's not 520 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: like it's a secret, Like they understand that, they understand 521 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: the bits and the jokes. They Yeah, I think they're 522 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: smart enough, right, Ryan? Are you calling our audigan stum 523 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 2: that right off the bet? Yeah? See how you see 524 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 2: that plastic? 525 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: But uh, we have Brogos Country tonight come up at 526 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: the top of the hour. Is a low key, big 527 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 1: time game Thursday night football, Texans Bills. So and by 528 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: the way, the line has moved towards the Texans, which 529 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: is sort of interesting here. Keon Coleman Man back to 530 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: back weeks of being a healthy scratch. Yeah, you know, 531 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: you don't think, I mean, I think are they gonna 532 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: move on from I mean, he's the first trust. 533 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: Trying to get them to do that. Okay, I think 534 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: you've been try to get them to do that. I 535 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: would not be surprised if after that season, after the season, 536 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: they do that I and I would also not be 537 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 2: surprised if Brandon Cooks doesn't wind up there on their 538 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 2: practice squad. 539 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: So that's where you go because somebody is asking between 540 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: Brandon Cook's, Damian Pierce, Gus Edwards, who with the Broncos potentially, I. 541 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: Don't know if they're likely to sign any of those 542 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: three maybe, I mean, yeah, I don't know. I don't 543 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: I think Damian Peerce is interesting. I mean, I really do. 544 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 2: But the only reason, let me let me ask you this, 545 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 2: are you saying that? Are you only saying that because 546 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: he's the youngest of the three options. But I think 547 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: that's the thing is people look at his age and 548 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: they're like, well, there's still some redemptive value here. I 549 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 2: don't think they care. I don't think the Broncos care 550 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 2: over there, because I don't think any of the options 551 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: that they would bring in are long term guys. They're 552 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 2: looking at somebody that's up plugging, which is why I 553 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: sort of suggested and then you know, and again they'd 554 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 2: have to bring him in a working out see if 555 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 2: he can still play. But that's why I suggested Latavious Murray, 556 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 2: because I mean, you're asking somebody if they got six 557 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: games on them at this point, You're not really looking 558 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: for a none of these guys in the future here. 559 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: Do you know why people sometimes call you a wet 560 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: blanket because of stuff like that? Because exactly because I say, 561 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: because I. 562 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: Say realistic things instead of like nonsense and so well, 563 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 2: you just s don't let anybody like live in the 564 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: fun like there's there's we can't live in a moment 565 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 2: in a world where are any of those fun though. 566 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 2: Am I really pooping on something there? I mean, it's not. 567 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 2: I'm not sitting here trying to make the argument that 568 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 2: Damian Pierce solves everything for you. There's just some redemptive 569 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: intrigue there for me versus Latavious Murray, who's like thirty 570 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 2: eight years old. That's exactly the difference there. You're you 571 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: are hypothetically placing a redemptive arc on someone that's young. 572 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 2: That's right. And I'm looking for somebody that can fill 573 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: the gap for six games because I know none of 574 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 2: that really matters to begin but we quite. 575 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: Literally know what Latavious Murray is and what he is. 576 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: And meanwhile, Damian Pierce, he's a mystery box. He can 577 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: still be really good. 578 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 2: You could even maybe be Latavious Murray. I just say, 579 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: you don't let anybody have fun. That's what we do. 580 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 2: I have plenty of fun. But I'm just like not 581 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 2: gonna sit here to entertain. This is like when we 582 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 2: had the Cooper Cup thing this this offseason, where people, oh, 583 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 2: this has happened. It was never happening. Cooper Cup was 584 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 2: not coming here. Cooper Cup called Sean Payton. They had 585 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: one conversation on a Friday, and Sean Paper was like, yeah, 586 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 2: we don't want that wash bomb on my team. And so, 587 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: you know, I don't think he said it in those maybe, 588 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 2: but yeah, I'm being hyperbolic for effect, but you get 589 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: the point. You like, he had no had no interest 590 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 2: in signing Cooper Cup, but he wound up trying to 591 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: use the Broncos as leverage to get a little extra 592 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 2: money out of Seattle, which worked. 593 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: I mean sure, and then what kind of season did 594 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: he have? It's been not But also JSN has been phenomenal, 595 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: So JSN Tory Horton, you know he is now. 596 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, like they had good players on 597 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 2: their team they went and signed Cooper Cup. 598 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: But well, anyways, I staid by my point that you 599 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: are you are a hater of fun and so and 600 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: I think part of it is really comes down to 601 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: just your awareness and knowledge of the inner workings of 602 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: the league and the sourcing you tend to have isn't 603 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: always fun. Right where I get to live in the 604 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: fairy Beckham. 605 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: Back, you know, or whatever? I got like five I 606 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: got five d ms about that. Of course, the last 607 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 2: forty eight hours some where did this come from? Why? 608 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 2: Why would while he's now cleared whatever. But I mean, 609 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: but why but why? Yeah? For what reason? No? 610 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: No, I don't want to live in fairy tale land 611 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: with the idea of Odell Beckham coming here. I did 612 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: like the idea of Brandon Cooks that I made that 613 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: argument yesterday bringing in a vet into the wide receiver room, 614 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: some of with reliable hands. 615 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 2: And I framed it with with Nick Ferguson very quickly. 616 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: I framed it with Nick Ferguson as some of the 617 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: inefficiencies of this offense targeting Troy Franklin as much as 618 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: they are where he's catching half of the passes attempted 619 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: to him, Let's just take a couple more of those 620 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: and then direct them forwards Brandon Cook's we'll actually catch 621 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: the ball. 622 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: Right. You guys know Brandon Cooks and Shot Peyte hate 623 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: each other, right, Well, I didn't know that until you 624 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 2: told me that, Okay. Yeah, And he has been public 625 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 2: about his criticism of Sean Payton multiple times. Jo Paye 626 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 2: was the guy who trained him the paid triots. She's 627 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: an a choir taste. There's plenty of Yeah. I don't 628 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: think those are I don't think they're they're gonna be 629 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: peaches and irving it up anytime soon. Okay, well, time 630 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 2: can heal songs out there, I've heard. I believe that 631 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: when I see it again, anything can happen. But those 632 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 2: guys genuinely did not like each other. You didn't think 633 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: Devon Vley to get traded either. I didn't think anybody 634 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 2: would offer that kind of haul for Devon Vley. 635 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: Some of us had the gut instinct to know that 636 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: that was a possibility. 637 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 2: Look, hey, and more power to you. And I just 638 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 2: I was increduling because like talking to the coaches, that's like, yeah, 639 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 2: we're gonna you know, that's our third down, dude. Yeah, 640 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 2: and there's that Devon v sized hole in this offense. 641 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,719 Speaker 2: I don't see it that way. I do. We just 642 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 2: we just keep spamming Troy Franklin with targets, hoping that 643 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 2: he somehow becomes good. 644 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: I say that they're they're starting to figure out that 645 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: those targets just start to go to Pat Bryan, and 646 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: Pat Bryant is going to be that guy. 647 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: And that's whether Devon VALA's sized hole has been But. 648 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: Bryant, you know, yeah, anyway, but you've coined that term 649 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: and I've now heard that from several people. Somehow it 650 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: makes the rounds and then some I think somebody texted 651 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: me or called me like I said, you know, we 652 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: have a Devon Vley size. 653 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: Like you've been listening to Bed. You hate it with 654 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: what it becomes the lexicon. Isn't it the worst? Stop? 655 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 2: Isn't it the worst? That is a joy vampire. It's 656 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 2: it's the worst. I'll tell you what. It's the worst. 657 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: When I coined something and it comes back to me 658 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 2: like somebody else injects it in a conversation back then, 659 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: I'm like. 660 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, uh huh, you've invented the piano key necktie. 661 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 2: I mean I did. 662 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: I invented it with broncos be interested in Damien Martinez. 663 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 2: Well, we just talked about that a minute. Yeah, Like 664 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: that was one of those things like if you're gonna 665 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 2: do a redemptive arc on somebody, I'd rather be somebody 666 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 2: who has a clean slate, you know, not to go 667 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 2: John Locke and Tabla rossaw on you or anything. But 668 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 2: I by the way, you butchered a literary reference last night, 669 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: and you were talking about the iliot or something like that. 670 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 2: I did. I was sitting there, and I like, I 671 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 2: had the reference cute up and ready to go, and 672 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: then I just murdered it. That much to the odyssey 673 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: is what you said? I said the illiot, and I 674 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 2: meant the Odyssey. Yeah, I was. We were out to 675 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: tell you the other way around ver any which way 676 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: we were, and that was you. You are like prime archer. 677 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: It's your like literary references that you just like fumbled 678 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: all over it. 679 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: And I'm just like, what is going on? Here? Has 680 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 2: been it's been okay? Is this a cry for helps? 681 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: You're having a stroke? We were outdoors. It was the 682 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: food drive that game. Yeah, yeahs. I'm like Jared golf Man. 683 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: I'm like Jared Goff, I need a dome. I gotta 684 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: be indors you men, listen, boss, you never go full 685 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: Jared Goff. You know Daniel Jones outdoors. You saw what 686 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 2: happens Steelers. Hey, I gotta be honest, man, I am 687 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: a little the Daniel Jones stuff. It's these last two games, 688 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 2: he's got one touchdown and four picks and twelve sacks. 689 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: We'll see how he does against Kansas City. But a 690 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 2: little bit of the shine come off. 691 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden, this like phantom calf 692 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: injury today, he's limited in practice. He was fulled yesterday 693 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: coming out of the by and then a calf injury. 694 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: It feels Let me, let me as a paranoid person, 695 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: let me put this in a way that I know 696 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: that you can very very distinctly understand. Riley Leonard is 697 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: not getting any snaps. I'm desperate. There's a there's like 698 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: there's an inside joke here. Riley Leonard is not getting 699 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,239 Speaker 1: snaps Ryan. But again, Joe Vampire, you're basically confirming by 700 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: whole joy Vampire, he could. You can't, but he could. 701 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: Ryley Leonard has never worked for anyone, but he might 702 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: work for us. Ah. Okay, makes sense. That makes sense 703 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: a little better on that era. 704 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: Okay, So we got to Thursday night football coming up here. 705 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna do our pick them here, show me the 706 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: money in just second here. But this is a this 707 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: is a is a big game. Who's a bigger game for? 708 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: I guess is probably the question I want to get 709 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: to because because if Buffalo wins, they're eight and three 710 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: and they're only one game back in the New England 711 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: Patriots with a game still to play them. 712 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 2: If the Texans win. 713 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: They all of a sudden at the eighth seed and 714 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: they're five and five, maybe six and five, and Jacksonville 715 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: is six and four. 716 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: I still think Jacksonville's gotta choke that thing away. I do. Yeah, 717 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: I still think they're frauds in that in that thing 718 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 2: they game away with that Chargers thing. 719 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: But youah, Kansas City, you got Baltimore, and we keep 720 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: talking about Baltimore maybe winning the division. But the Pittsburgh 721 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: Steelers are six and four, So you think one of 722 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: these teams is going to be in there. 723 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 724 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: I hate to say frauds, but because Jacksonville has what 725 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: over the Chiefs and they've had a couple of nice 726 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: but they just beat the Chargers. 727 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 2: There are another they're a Packers team. Like one day 728 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: you're you're like, all right, yeah, and then the next 729 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 2: day you're like, what are they doing? Losing to these clowns? 730 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: You know, almost lost to the Raiders. Yeah, that that's 731 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the Jaguars, the Steelers. You know, one 732 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 2: day they're there be somebody you don't think they should. 733 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 2: The next day they're losing to somebody they shouldn't. 734 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: So who's it a bigger game for Buffalo who's trying 735 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: to maybe keep pacing the AFC East or the Texans. 736 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 2: I think it's the same. I think it's just I 737 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 2: think it's a big game for both these teams. I 738 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: think the Texans need it to keep pace with what 739 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 2: they're trying to do, and Buffalo needs it to keep 740 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 2: pace with what they're trying to do. You know, On 741 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 2: the one hand, I want to say that Texans have 742 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 2: an easier division, but they don't Buffalo. Does you know 743 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: the Buffalo has the Patriots and that's it in that division. 744 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 2: The Dolphins are a joke and the Jets are even worse. 745 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 2: The Jacks who got to contend with Texans and the Colts. Yeah, 746 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 2: well that Texans may beat the Ravens head to head, 747 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 2: so that helps them a little bit in some tiebreakers. 748 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 2: Who's going the AFC North, I mean it's Pittsburgh or Baltimore. 749 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 2: And you know, however you want to look at that, 750 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 2: you're completely rotting off Cincinnati if they get Joe Burback. Yeah, 751 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 2: I just think they're two three. I think they're one. 752 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: I think that whole I think that hole is too deep. Yeah, probably, 753 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 2: and I just one game too many is what I 754 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 2: think they If they had one more win right now, 755 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 2: then I would be it's just a weird bizarro world. 756 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: If they get a win this week though, over the 757 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 2: New England Patriots, and they are home, by the way, 758 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 2: Joe Burroke comes back, they get a win over New England, 759 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 2: which would be great for the Broncos, and somehow Baltimore 760 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 2: and the Pittsburgh Steelers lose. Pittsburgh is six and five, 761 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: Baltimore five and six, and all of a sudden four 762 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 2: and seven. Isn't impossible, it not? But you're three and 763 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 2: see you have a worse record than Miami right now, 764 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: you're three and seven. Isn't that wild? I mean, like 765 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 2: that's a lot of ground to dig when you've got 766 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh gets six and four and Baltimore at five and five, 767 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: and oh, by the way, Cincinnati's a negative one hundred 768 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 2: and six and net points in Pittsburgh's positive fourteen and 769 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 2: Baltimore's positive one. I mean that either way, their defense 770 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 2: is gonna let them down. There's nothing they could do 771 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 2: about