1 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Seven hundred wlw Rnlkerrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. 2 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: I'm Lance Percallister. I'm very excited to welcome on our 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: next guest. I can't imagine how busy he is this week, 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: and so kind of him to take out time tonight. 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: Let's talk buck Eyes. It's Ohio State and Indiana for 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: the Big Ten Championships Saturday night in Indy. My next 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: guest covers the buck Eyes covered him for fourteen years 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: with the Columbus Dispatch. These days on Substack, author of 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: fabulous books on Ohio State football, Buckeye Rebirth about the 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: undefeated twenty twelve team, The Chase after their twenty fourteen 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: National championship season, the newest one on last season's title, 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: Buckeye Brotherhood is a must read. For more on all 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: of that, let's welcome in Bill Rabinowitz. 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: How are you good, Lanns. Thanks for a very kind introduction, 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: creshid it, you got it. 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: It is so great to catch up with you and 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: so happy for all that you have going on. The 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: book is fabulous. Let me start from this point. What 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: a difference in vibe and narrative around this program and 20 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: around Ryan Day compared to a year ago at this 21 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: time after losing to Michigan. Yeah. 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean, in fact, it was was a day. 23 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: It was the Tuesday after the Michigan game last year 24 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: that they had this now famous team meeting with Ryan Day, 25 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: just Ryan Day and the players, and they went at 26 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: it in a healthy way, but a very brutally honest 27 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: way about what had gone wrong against Michigan, what they 28 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: needed to correct before the playoffs. That really ended up 29 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: being a cathartic meeting. And we all know what happened 30 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 2: after that. But they entered the room that day a 31 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 2: very very demoralized team and they left it a really 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 2: inspired team. 33 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,279 Speaker 1: Bill was that book buck Eye Brotherhood? Was the book 34 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: in the works from the start of the season, or 35 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: did the season rise to the level of writing a book? 36 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I did not plan to write another book. 37 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: It'st All of them have been kind of accidental, didn't 38 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: I never intended to be an author. And then twenty 39 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: twelve and I said, okay, fine, I'll do that and 40 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: that'll be on my one and only. And then twenty fourteen, 41 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: which was even crazier it happened, Oh I got to 42 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: ride this one. And then I thought, Okay, I'm done, 43 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: and then last year happened. So no, I did not 44 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: plan on doing it. It wasn't like I was like 45 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: a squirrel hiding away little nuts and doing that kind 46 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 2: of stuff. But I did like fifty plus interviews with 47 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: all the key people and really pieced it together from 48 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: the inside out as best I could. 49 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about this team right now, the 50 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: present day team. And this may be a dumb question 51 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: or word question, but they've beaten Michigan, They're in the 52 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: playoff field. How important? How big is Saturday in the 53 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: grand scheme of things. 54 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: No, it's a great question because on one hand, you 55 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 2: have one versus two, right, normally that'd be like, oh 56 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: my god, it's one versus two, But it really doesn't matter. 57 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: And the grand scheme of things, Yes, they want to 58 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: win in big tens. They haven't done it five years. 59 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 2: They haven't been to Indianapolis in five years, so I 60 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: definitely want to win it. But they're going to get 61 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: a bye in the playoff no matter what happens. In 62 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: the same with Indiana. There the only two underfeated teams. 63 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: They're not going to drop below four for sure. The 64 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: loser and so it's it's a game for pride, but 65 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: it's not going to be I mean not the game 66 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: gets Michigan is the one they needed to win because 67 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: they lost four straight and that was the one that 68 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: just they that was the must win. This is not 69 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: a must win. They want to win it. It'll be 70 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: nice to win it, but it's you know, I won't 71 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 2: say it will be forgotten, but in the scheme of things, 72 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: you know, Michigan is important in the playoffs, is really important, 73 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 2: and this will be kind of the one in the middle. 74 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: But again it's one versus too, so it's a pretty 75 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: cool game. 76 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: There are some moving parts obviously. Today Brian Hartline, the 77 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator wide receivers coach, has taken the USF head 78 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: coaching job. What's your reaction to that news today? 79 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was I was surprised, but not surprised. I 80 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: think we all knew that Brian Hartline, given the success 81 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: he had as the wide receivers coach and now the 82 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: offensive quitter coordinator, was going to be moving on. I mean, 83 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: he had earned it, and so I think that's a 84 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: really good job for him. You know, people start talking 85 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: about ten State, I thought, I'm not sure that he's 86 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: quite ready for that. That pressure cooker. He could go 87 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: down to Tampa. That was funny that South Florida, right 88 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: is in Tampa, which is not in Southern Florida, you know, 89 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: the west side of Florida. But anyway, you know, it's 90 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: a good program. They're building a new stadium. I think 91 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: he'll be successful there. Then from there he can make 92 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: whatever jump he wants. Probably, but you know, it's impossible 93 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: to keep a guy like that around for too long 94 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: unless he wants to stay. But he played Pro football 95 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: with the Dolphins, so he's familiar with Florida. I think 96 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: he'll do a good job down there. 97 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: For those who maybe aren't up on the latest news, 98 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: it appears one of the dominoes that has fallen from 99 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: that is that Chris Henry Junior, one of the top 100 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: maybe the top wide receiver in the country, had originally 101 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: said he would sign with Ohio State. He now appears 102 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: to be his name in play with multiple schools at 103 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: this moment. 104 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't blame him. I tweeted this earlier today. 105 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: I mean, if you have that kind of news on 106 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: the day that you are supposed to sign, why wouldn't you, 107 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: you know, take as much time as you can and 108 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 2: figure out. Okay, it's just still the school for me. 109 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: And I asked Ryan Day about he can't talk about 110 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,679 Speaker 2: players specifically who haven't signed, but but his point was essentially, 111 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: Ohio State is Ohio State. We're going to get somebody good. 112 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 2: It's the culture here strong. I'm sure that's the pitch 113 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 2: to Chris Henry. But in this nil era, you know, 114 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 2: who knows how much money we'll talk and Ohio States 115 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: general philosophy is will pay the top guys, and he 116 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: is a top guy. But you know they want guys 117 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: to earn it before they get the big Nio bucks. 118 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: And so it'll be very fascinating to see how that develops. Obviously, 119 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: Ohio State is still a wide receiver you and they're 120 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: going to get a good wide receiver, Seach. I mean 121 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: there's no you know, Mark Antoni, the general manager of 122 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: Ohio State, said they're probably fifty guys who already sent 123 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 2: their resumes to Ryan Day. So he's going to have 124 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: the pick of the litter. And but I under you know, 125 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: it's all of a sudden he doesn't have the guy there, 126 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 2: and so it makes sense for him to at least 127 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: take another look at it on. 128 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: The other side of the ball, with the defense. If 129 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: you look at this stat sheet and you see ninety 130 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: three points allowed in twelve games, it almost looks like 131 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: a misprint and you said, well, that can't possibly be right, 132 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: but it is. Describe the impact the defensive coordinator Matt 133 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: Patricia has had in his first season on this team. 134 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean ninety three points. It's like two Bengal 135 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: game days. 136 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: Well done. 137 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to cover the Bengal pick a shot. 138 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: He has done a fantastic job. And there was a 139 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: lot of skepticism when he was hired because he had 140 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: framed out as the Lions coach, and there's a lot 141 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: of question about the fact that how much was he 142 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: responsible for the Patriots' success on defense versus Belichick. Legitimately so. 143 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: And the other thing was he hadn't coached in college 144 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 2: for two decades and he really exclusively been in the pros. 145 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: But he's done just an amazing job. I mean, they 146 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 2: lost eight defensive starters and they're better than they were 147 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: last year. It helpstep Caleb Bounds for sure and Sonny 148 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: Styles for sure at linebacker and Davis Digbdosin is a 149 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: good cornerback. But to have eight new starters and play 150 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: even better than they did last year, that's that's pretty amazing. 151 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: Quarterback Julian's saying through I think attempted twelve passes last year. 152 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 1: This season he made very well, won the Heisman, completing 153 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: seventy nine percent of his passes, thirty touchdowns, five picks. 154 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: Aside from the numbers, what has impressed you most about 155 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: him this season? 156 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: He's just unfazable. Nothing just bothers. On the second pass 157 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: of the game against Mishkin's intercepted for a lot of guys, 158 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: especially a red short freshman that could be really really 159 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: tough to get over, he just went back out there 160 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: like nothing ever happened. He's just really poised. He's incredibly accurate. 161 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: He's got a strong arm, but the accuracy is the thing, 162 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: and the quick release. He also is able to feel 163 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: the pocket very well. I mean, he can run, but 164 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: he's not Will Howard. He's certainly now a guy like 165 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: Braxton Miller or just feels like like the highest he 166 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: has had. But he could run well enough. But he's 167 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: just really good at feeling pressure and being able to 168 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: roll out and throw on the run and it's been 169 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 2: very impressive. Yeah, I think the I think whoever plays 170 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: better and whoever's team wins between Ohio State Indiana with 171 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza is probably going to be the Heisman winner. 172 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: The book is Buckeye Brotherhood. It's a fabulous read. It 173 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: would be perfect for the holidays for those who want 174 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: to get the book. For those who want to read 175 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: your stuff on substack, tell them how they can go 176 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: about doing that. 177 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Bill Ribido. It's R A, B I, N O, 178 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: W I t Z dot substack dot com. And it's 179 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 2: a very good problem to have, but it's a problem. 180 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: The book is more or less sold out, at least 181 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 2: the hardcovers have, so we are working really hard to 182 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,119 Speaker 2: get more copies than paperbacks coming in. If you subscribe 183 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: to my substack, I will I will send you a 184 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: free paperback version of it. If you are a Founder's member, 185 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: which is, you know, kind of an upper level, then 186 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: you can get a free hardcover book from me. I'll 187 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: sign it and personalize it. Otherwise, you can try Barnes 188 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: anddnoble dot com. You can certainly try some of the 189 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: local bookstores in Columbus. In terms of their online site 190 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: book Loft and Gramarcy Books. Yeah, it's frustrating because you 191 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: want everybody who wants the book today to be able 192 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: to get it today. They will have it. We know that. 193 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: The reason that we kind of went to paperback is 194 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: you can produce those fast and quick, fast, and you know, 195 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: and pretty easily. So I think it's it's a matter 196 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 2: of days. But again, if you want it for sure, 197 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: and you want it signed and personalized, I'm come to 198 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: you know, join my subtech. 199 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: Hey, I always enjoy our conversations. I always appreciate you 200 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: making time. I know it's been a hectic day. Thanks 201 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: for carving out some time tonight. You know you're welcome anytime. 202 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: And congrats on the book and best of luck with 203 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: it going forward. 204 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Lan, It's always banks to the only joy. 205 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: Take care, Bill. We hear a little bit