1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 2: We're going to carry this story over because when people 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: are interested in the story, will carry it over. That Basically, 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: it's a story of a guy with the age of 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: thirty broke into the home of a seventy six year 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: old woman. Her husband was bedridden. He robbed the seventy 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: six year old woman, hit her over the head with 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: a cast iron frying pan, then also smashed her over 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 2: the head with a bottle, took her upstairs, raped her 10 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: a little. This was seven thirty at night in Dorchester 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety fourth September of nineteen ninety four. At 12 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 2: some time after seven thirty, a visiting nurse came to 13 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: the home to attend to the husband, who again was bedridden. 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: He grabbed her, raped her as well stole money from both. 15 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: This guy pleaded guilty to three counts of aggravated rape 16 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: as an habitual criminal, and was sentenced to three concurrent 17 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: life sentences. He also pleaded guilty to others several other charges, 18 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: which I guess were concurrent armed robbery, armed us all 19 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: with a dwelling, two counts of kidnapping, assault and battery 20 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: by means of a dangerous weapon and a person sixty 21 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 2: five or older and assault by means of a dangerous weapon. 22 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: Before this assault, he had served time for felony convictions, 23 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: including for assault and an elderly person, so he liked 24 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: to beat up elderly people. Last year, he appeared before 25 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: the Massachusetts Parole Board for the fifth time. During his 26 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: previous appearance, the board stressed he should focus on establishing 27 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: a support of re entry program, whatever the hell that means. 28 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: He now has been paroled over the objection of Suffolk County, 29 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: a Assistant District Attorney Montes Haywood, who spoke in opposition 30 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: of the parole. The board concluded by unanimous decision the 31 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: unanimous decision that Patrick Kelly had demonstrated a level of 32 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: rehabilitation that would make his release compatible with the welfare 33 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: of society. The people who determine that of the pro 34 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: Board members, six of them they make between one hundred 35 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: and forty three and one hundred and sixty nine thousand 36 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: dollars a year. On the Pro Board, the chairman makes 37 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty nine thousand dollars a year. The 38 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: other members have to get along with one hundred and 39 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: forty three thousand dollars. This story infuriates me that this woman, 40 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: who I'm sure is no longer with us, could be 41 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: could be abused in the last years of her life 42 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: in this way. And because it's thirty years ago, this 43 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: bumb at the age of sixty one is released on 44 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: parole to the border parole. How dare you? How dare 45 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: you let me go to Jony in Pennsylvania, Jonia? Next time? Nightsiger? 46 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: Right ahead, all right, Dan. 47 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 4: This try gets all people of mental health, and it 48 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 4: did some problems. A bad name, first off. And the 49 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 4: second thing I want to ask he the murder of 50 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 4: a police officer. Did they ever investigate that? 51 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: No? 52 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: He claimed I think he no, no, no. I think 53 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: that he claimed he had murdered a police officer. There 54 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: was no suggestion in either of the article in the 55 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: Globe of the Herald that I read, which Sugg, which 56 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: said that he was ever charged. I think he used 57 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: that as a way to prove to these women that 58 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: if they didn't comply with what he wanted to do 59 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: to them, he would easily kill them because he had 60 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: already killed a police officer. 61 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 4: I was just wondering, now, wondering I was just wondering 62 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 4: if they ever find any Well, of course, if they 63 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 4: find evidence, he might go back to prison. 64 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: Well yeah, but I don't I suspect that was braggadocia, 65 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: you know. And again it just shows that here in Massachusetts, 66 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: you always get you know, a second or a third. 67 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 2: I mean, this guy had been convicted previously. He gets 68 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 2: a second chance, and he goes out and he rapes 69 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: two women, two women and robs them. Again. This is 70 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: in a family's home in the nighttime. I mean, these 71 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: are all aggravating circumstances. And the judge, whoever it was, 72 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: apparently gave him good current sentences go ahead. 73 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 4: These people trusted him though they knew him, that. 74 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 2: He had worked in this home during the day, maybe 75 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: when he wasn't on drugs or something. He had worked 76 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: in this home. He had he had attacked apparently an 77 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 2: older woman previously. It says before his this assault in 78 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, Kelly had served time for felony convictions 79 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: convictions plural in Middlesex County, including for assault on an 80 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: elderly person. So this guy, his specialty was assaulting, you know, 81 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 2: older people who when he was the age of thirty. 82 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: I guess he could handle and. 83 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 4: Now he's sorry. What about the other bit, the stive? 84 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 2: I have no idea. You know, rape victims are for 85 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: the most part not identified. That has sort of always 86 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: spent the standard and whether or not she was identified 87 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: at the time, she was not mentioned in this article 88 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 2: by name, only by the. 89 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 4: How she's feeling right now? 90 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 2: Well, I suspect it's it's a life altering experience. And 91 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 2: I just want to know where are the women's organizations 92 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: here in Massachusetts. Why are they not outraged at this? 93 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: I assume if they knew about it, they would be. 94 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: It was in the Boston Herald on Sunday in written form, 95 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 2: and it was in the Boston Globe in digital form 96 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: on February nineteenth. I have checked the Globe printed version 97 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 2: on the seventeenth, the eighteenth, the nineteenth, the twentieth, the 98 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: twenty first, and it was not in any of those 99 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: written papers, written newspapers. And I think that shows that 100 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: the Globe did not think this was a significant or 101 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: the editors of the Globe did not think this was 102 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: a significant story. 103 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, Dan, thank you for everything. 104 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 2: Thank you Joingla appreciate and know you're a long time listener, 105 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 2: I haven't heard from you in a while. Hope all 106 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: is well with you in Pennsylvania. Thank you, have a 107 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: great night. Let me go, oh, let me take a break. 108 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: Betty and Lynna's next Maryland. After that we'll get to Maryland. 109 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: And if you'd like to join the conversation. I have 110 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: one line at six one seven, two, five, four, ten 111 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 2: thirty and one line at six one seven nine. Where 112 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: are and I asked this question? Honestly, this is not 113 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: a wise guy question. Where are the women's organizations in 114 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: Massachusetts of all types? Why are they not protesting this? 115 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: This is a guy who abused and raped a seventy 116 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: six year old woman in her home and then raped 117 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: a visiting nurse who had been who came to the 118 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: home that night to attend her a bedridden husband. And now, 119 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: after thirty years in prison, he is he's released at 120 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: the age of sixty one. Is that what justice is 121 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts? It's not in the Massachusetts that I would 122 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: want to live in. This is this? This is unbelievable 123 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: to me that this has happened in Massachusetts, and it's 124 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: not the only case. The board six unanimously, all six, 125 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: voted to parole him. What is this like? Just let 126 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: him go. They've now released seventy six percent of the 127 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: first degree murderers, first degree murderers who were convicted of 128 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: crimes they committed when they were eighteen, nineteen or twenty. 129 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: At that rate, you're gonna have about one hundred and 130 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: fifty to one hundred and sixty first degree murderers walking 131 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 2: the streets of Massachusetts. This is frightening. This is frightening. 132 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: And what did they say? What does the parole board 133 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: say to someone who becomes the victim of this guy's 134 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: next crime, or or the next crime of one of 135 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 2: these what do they say to the State Supreme Court 136 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts? The State Supreme Court basically hook line and 137 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: sinker bit on this concept of an emerging adult. So, 138 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 2: if you're eighteen, nineteen or twenty and you kill someone 139 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: murdering the first degree, because you're called an emerging adult, 140 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: just an idea that has sort of you materialized out 141 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: of the thin air, you you can't be sentenced to 142 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: life without parole. You'll have parole within fifteen years at least, 143 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 2: a parole hearing back on Nightside after. 144 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: This, It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio. 145 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 2: Back to the phones, you go, Let me go to 146 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: Betty in Lynn, Massachusetts. Betty, you were next on Nightside. Welcome. 147 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 3: Hi, Dan, love your show, You love your show. You 148 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 3: do a fabulous job. I am wild about this issue. 149 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 3: And the reason I know about it is because of you. Because, 150 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 3: to be perfectly honest with you, I wouldn't read the 151 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 3: Globe if you paid me. And I know we're not 152 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 3: on the same side of things all the time. What 153 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 3: sometimes we are, but we're not always full disclosure. I'm 154 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: seventy six and I have a husband who's ill, and 155 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: I venture, I venture to say that if somebody did 156 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 3: that to me, and I took the gun that's in 157 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: our house and did something to him, I would be 158 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 3: I would be putting jail and it would be no 159 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 3: parole to me. And you know why, Dan, because I 160 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 3: live in Massachusetts. And the reason no one is talking 161 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 3: about this is because no one cares, and there are 162 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 3: these things are happening all time. 163 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you're right. We get a 164 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: little annoyed to it. I'll just say that the Globe 165 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: did cover this in what's called the digital version, so 166 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: you could have bought one hundred newspapers in the Globe 167 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: every day, and you never would have seen it in 168 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: a print edition. The Herald had it in the print 169 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 2: edition on Sunday, and that's why I had Rick Soby 170 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 2: of the Herald on to start the conversation. And yeah, 171 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 2: it was pretty busy today. I didn't do all the 172 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 2: due diligence that I should have because I read the 173 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: Globe every day and I had not seen this in 174 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: the Globe. And and when I saw it in the 175 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: digital form, I said, oh, I know what they're doing. 176 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: And I was correct. They they put it out in 177 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: digital form. So they'll say, okay, well we put it 178 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 2: up on digital, but it's not in the printed version. 179 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 3: This paper didn't. 180 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: It wasn't an important enough case for them to put 181 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: it in the printed in the printed edition of the Globe. 182 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,599 Speaker 3: Dan, it's suppression of information. 183 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: You got it. 184 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: And they know what they're doing. And and my point, 185 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 3: and my my point is they wouldn't get away with 186 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 3: it if people demanded better from them, and they wouldn't 187 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: get away with it if if if people were outraged 188 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 3: like you are. 189 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: Well, that's why that's why I want to see I 190 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: want to see Boston continue Can you imagine what the 191 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: globe would do if we were a one newspaper town, 192 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: if there was no herald to keep them honest? 193 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 3: Dan, how about the broadside? 194 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 2: Mhm uh, well, that's what's the circulation of that. 195 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 3: It's very sea and and you know something, I we 196 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 3: could debate the media, We could debate all of this. 197 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 3: The point is, I agree with you. I agree with Vincent. 198 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 3: And and you asked about women's group women's groups aren't 199 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: protesting this because they're too busy, they're too busy making 200 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: inroads for prison reforms. 201 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: Well, this would be consistent. Well, probably what you're saying 202 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: is women's groups that are concerned about prison reform probably 203 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: pretty happy about this. 204 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: Of course, that's my point. It's it's it's Massachusetts. I'm ashamed, ashamed, 205 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: and I've lived here all my life, all my all 206 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 3: my years, and and what we've turned into. It used 207 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: to be they used to be dialogue, then they used 208 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 3: to be and now it's everything one side. 209 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 2: I don't think that. I don't think that Tip O'Neill 210 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: or President Kennedy or for that matter, Senator Kennedy would 211 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 2: recognize Massachusetts. 212 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 3: Right now, Dan, Dan, I think you're absolutely fully correct, 213 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 3: and it's a very sad day. And the other thing 214 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 3: else say is this, there's no decency anymore. 215 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 4: Number one. 216 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: Number two, those people on the parole Board should be 217 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 3: brought in front of somebody and and challenged as to 218 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 3: how they made that decision. 219 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 2: They they are able, They are able to make decisions. 220 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: They they do what they want. There's no appeal from 221 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 2: the parole board. Citizens concho up and say I want 222 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 2: to appeal from that decision. Their decisions are final. Guess what. 223 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 2: They were appointed by governors. Four of these six members 224 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 2: were appointed by Governor Healey. I have their names and 225 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: the dates in which they were appointed. Two were appointed 226 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: in effect by Charlie Baker. A one of the Baker 227 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 2: appointees was originally appointed by Deval Patrick. And they make 228 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: between one hundred and forty three and one hundred. 229 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 3: He says, how much work did they use to that? 230 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 3: But Dan, those governors should be ashamed of themselves and 231 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: and people should have to answer. But when they have 232 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: lack of morality and lack of I mean the president 233 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 3: that sets, yeah, the tone that sets. 234 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: I guess you and I just I hear it, Betty, 235 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: I hear it in your voice I hear it in 236 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: your voice, and I would invite you to become a 237 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: more regular caller tonight's side. 238 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 3: That's what I would ask you to do, Dan, bless you. 239 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: I will try to do that, but I am I 240 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: am wild. 241 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 4: And you know, remember who just got uh what? 242 00:14:58,480 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: What? 243 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 3: Person just could put that in jail because the robe 244 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 3: would questions who was it? Somebody last week the week 245 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: before last? Had the child molester? Remember, And I'm not familiar. 246 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: I am not familiar with that case. As you mentioned, 247 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: it's and I just want to stick on this one 248 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: because I think this is one. If you get more information, 249 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: call me. Rob will give you my my off ear 250 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 2: phone number and call me during the day and give 251 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: me that information. We'll talk about that. But I can't. 252 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: I can't. I'm trying to focus on this one right now. 253 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: I hope you'll understand that. Okay, thank you, I appreciate you, Carl, 254 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 2: thank you very much. If we're all done with this one, 255 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to change topics right after the news at 256 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: the bottom of the hour.