WEBVTT - The Mid-Week Crisis with Dan Carroll -- 10/30/25 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:05.439 All right back on the Big One, seven hundred WLW. 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:09.440 It's nine oh eight on this Thursday night. I'm Dan Peril. 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:12.400 This is the Thursday night edition of the Midwey Crisis. 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:16.120 Drew Western, Heidi running the big board in the seven 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:17.800 hundred WLW command center. 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.599 No one does it better than Dree. I like that guy. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:21.119 A lot. 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:26.160 Five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand and one, 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:30.040 eight hundred, the Big One. 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:30.840 The numbers, the call and we got plenty of time 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:31.200 for your. 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:33.919 Phone calls tonight because we are talking Election night all 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:38.120 night long. And I am joined in studio tonight by 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.319 the one and only Kurt Hartman. Judge, how you doing, Dan? 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:42.839 Always great to be a minister. You texted me the 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.800 day before yesterday and you said, uh, hey, man, you 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.440 need to do a show. And I was planning on 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.320 doing a show talking about the election, and you said, 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:54.120 you need to do a show, well, you know, talking 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.520 about the election. Take some phone calls. And I looked 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.560 at the calendar and I and I did not realize 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.200 it at the time, but I thought, man, this is 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:03.880 the last night I'm going to be on the air 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.440 before before election night. That's done a week away before election. 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.120 I mean, it's it's really sneaking up on me this year. 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.679 It's perfect. Yah, you're right, it's early. 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.920 It's early in November, the first Tuesday after the first Monday. 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.440 That decision was made long ago to have election day 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:24.040 or election night on that day, the first Tuesday after 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:24.640 the first. 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:26.480 Monday in November. Why was that. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.360 Do you recall why that decision was made for that 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:30.520 particular day. 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:32.840 Yeah, no, I do not, but it's been it's historical, 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.080 it's almost since time immemorial, right, it's always been that day. 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:39.920 You know. I think Constitution talks about the federal election 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:41.920 there in the election the president and then the elect 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.400 War College meets in December, and the president takes office 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.720 originally in March, now in January. And I think it 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:50.720 was just driven by that, by kind of the site show. 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.640 There's a good reason for it, but it could have been. 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.920 It just easily been, you know, the third Friday after 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:00.880 the second Wednesday, or April or June or whatever you 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.880 like that. You know, it is what it is. And 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:06.440 like I said, but you know, in a certain sense, 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:08.760 we no longer have an election day, we have an 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:09.519 election month. 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.840 I am not a huge fan of the early I 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:14.880 know I agree with you, but but what. 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.040 That's what we have developed in this country, and the 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.440 expectation is developed. I think it is wrong. I don't 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:23.120 like it as well. You know. To me, we it's 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:24.760 really should be. I think when you have an election 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.639 day in a certain sense, that becomes a unifying event 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.720 for the country and the community that everyone is going 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:33.600 to the polls or ninety percent of the people are 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.760 going to the polls on that day and we're all 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.640 doing that act, if you will, in a sense together. 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:42.880 When you have this election month and early voting for 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:45.720 weeks on end and now thirty forty percent people of 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:49.400 the voters vote early, it's just so broken apart that 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.520 unifying aspect of an election is gone. You know, when 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:54.799 I was growing up earlier, you know, it used to 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.880 be did it on election day? Early voting was reserved 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.440 for people who were like over sixty five, you're going 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:02.480 to be in the hospital, going to be out of 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:04.359 the cattown or out of the country, and that was 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:04.800 about it. 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.160 Right now, it's no fault, no excuse early voting. Yeah, 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.680 you got to have I agree with that. If if 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.720 there's a special circumstance where and it was called absentee voting. 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.200 You're not going to be there on election day, so 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.880 you can you can make your excuse and say why 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.680 I'm not going to be there. Here's your ballot cast. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.400 Your vote doesn't seem like it's that complicated. But now 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.640 with all the early it just it just really opens 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:30.239 up the door of fraud. And I saw an article 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:36.880 yesterday where Frank LeRose cleaned out and he sent twelve 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:41.880 hundred individuals, referred them to the Department of Justice for investigation. Yes, 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.800 because they admitted that some of them, they admitted that 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.200 they had voted illegally, they had voted they voted multiple times, 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.120 they voted in Ohio, why they lived in another state? 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.040 Non citizens citizens voting right. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.440 And so my point is this, and I made the 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.920 point last night. It's twelve hundred and what's the popular 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.320 in Ohio twenty two million, twenty four. 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:03.040 Million, something like that. 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.160 Twelve to thirteen. They say, okay, whatever, okay, but it's 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.480 a small number. Yes, But that's not the point. The 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:13.320 point is is that we should we should strive for zero. 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.159 They have zero irregularities when it comes to voting. And 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.480 so for him to take this action, even though it's 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.240 a small number. I think it's still an important step. 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:23.520 Right if you look at that at his released what 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:27.640 he talked about sending these referrals to the DOJ. These 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.920 were people who voted in federal elections and so therefore 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.680 that makes it a matter within the jurisdiction of the 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.000 federal government. And part of the issue was he was saying, 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:41.359 you know, certain local prosecutors are not pursuing it. You know, 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.960 violations of election laws. And you know, elections are normally 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.440 a local or state matter. We handle elections in this 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.360 country on a state and local matter. But when these 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:54.600 violations occur, the local prosecutors need to be willing to 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:59.200 pursue them with criminal charges. That maintains or promotes the 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.920 integrity of it, because part of it is a preventative. Oh, 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.320 they got a thing for doing that, because that was 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.200 the way. I better not do that if I'm going 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:11.359 to be only legal voter, double voting or whatnot. But 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:16.360 when these local prosecutors aren't prosecuting these cases, his only 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.760 option was to refirm to the Department of Justice. And 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:20.080 I think appropriately so. 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:24.000 But he said he got cooperation from some prosecutors eighty 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.720 eight counties in Ohio, so there's eighty eight prosecutors, right. 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:26.800 You know. 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:33.440 And also and if you consider the population, you know, Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Dayton, 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.159 you know, acron Guess what all Democrat prosecutors in the 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.000 largest cities were most where a lot of the population is. 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:44.160 You could have you know, if everything's proportional, you could 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.159 have most of your violations in those large counties. Guess 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:52.080 what those Democrat prosecutors because of the ideology of the 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.720 far left of the Democrat Party, which is now mainstream 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.679 Democrat Party politics, they're not going to pursue that stuff 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:01.560 because those they view them as their voters. And unfortunately 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:05.279 the Democrat Party has taken the attitude they don't care, 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.520 you know, by hook or by crook. They want to 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:11.480 win elections and get power. You know, we saw Biden 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.680 flooding the southern border with illegal immigrants, hoping to get 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:18.839 them some for amnesty, get them citizenship, and they'll be 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:23.039 perpetual Democrat voters. That was the whole calculus of the 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:27.479 whole border policy by the Biden administration. And it's that 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:31.120 and you see it playing out on all various fronts. 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:35.960 A well, consider Minnesota. You know, all these there's reports 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:40.360 coming out about numerous thousands and thousands of Somali immigrants 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:47.320 committing immigration fraud and getting citizenship base upon fraud. And 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.960 now they're voting, sure, you know. And the problem is 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.240 they can have their citizenship revote and should have it 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.080 revoked because of those that fraud. 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.760 Well, you got Mandani in New York City, and then 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:03.320 in Minneapolis, you've got you've got another Islamis dude who's 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.760 running from I've got an I've got an article here 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.760 about this guy. But he's running and and I saw 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:10.920 a video of him where he's at a rally a 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:15.520 few days ago. He's waving a flag, speaking a foreign language. 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:20.200 He's he's waving a Somali flag, talking about Somalia, and 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:24.400 he's he's running and he's running for mayor of Minneapolis. 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.280 What about the United States of America? What about that? 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.160 And then you got another Islamis running for the Senate 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:34.320 in Michigan, coming out of Dearborn, Michigan. Oh, dear Dearborn. 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.720 That place is lost. Man. They they they've got a 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.320 Muslim mayor. There. 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.680 There was a guy I and I talked with the 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.680 gal from the Detroit News about this. Not the Detroit 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.640 Free press, but the Detroit News, the the the the 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.680 Thinking Person's newspaper there in Detroit, and and and she 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.840 was telling me all about this and uh and and 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.240 I said, how far gone is is Dearborn? And she 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.760 said it's it's gone and and this and this mayor 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.000 was essentially saying, you know, you are not welcome here. 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.600 This guy, this guy, and this guy was talking about 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.880 he was talking about the I guess the Muslim called 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.360 to prayer that goes over the loud speakers and and 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:16.600 some other thing that they did, and he wasn't happy 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:16.880 with it. 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.360 Well it starts the morning. 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.000 And the mayor essentially said, you know, I don't you know, 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.960 you're not I don't want you in my city. Right 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.280 And this guy's not even an American. Yeah, so I 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.360 mean it's I mean, it's Dearborn is totally out of control. 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:33.160 And I think we're going to start seeing a lot 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:37.120 more of that. If this thing with mont Donnee. 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:38.600 Well that you know, you take take a look at 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.360 the United Kingdom in England. You know, all the mayor 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:46.240 of London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool and you are all Muslims, 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.679 and you look at how they're operating, you know, you know, 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:53.520 they become you know, third world countries if you will, 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.920 or third world cities if you will, and there's no standards. 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.560 You know, they've lost that identity of what it means 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:04.280 to be brit And and you know, and finally, I 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.520 think the Brits are trying to push back. But you know, 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.520 you got a labor government over there that he's had 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:13.560 by an avowed communist. I mean, Keen Sturmer was in 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.640 a Czechoslovakian work camp during the Cold War. He was 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.079 working for the Communists during the Cold War, and now 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.480 he's Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.840 You know, I've been asking the question a lot. What 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:30.920 is it that is making largely young people vote for 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.959 Mandani in New York City? And I've been asking that question, 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.040 and I found a piece that was written that I think, 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.440 and I think the guy really hits it on the head. 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:40.920 I want we'll get to that a little bit later, 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.480 but let's start off. We said we were taking phone 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.880 calls tonight, So Ken from Mason is going to be 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.360 first up from tonight and Ken from Mason, what's going on? 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:49.600 I'm sitting here with the judge. 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.520 Well yeah, now, Judge, are you a Republican now or 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:54.199 a Democrat? 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:57.880 Who are you asking? 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:00.160 I'm asking the judg. 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:04.439 Am I a Republican now or a Democrat. I am 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:08.679 an independent, freethinking American. I don't think it's a party issue. 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.600 I think I think it is a constitution issue. Uh, 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.000 I would tell you my party. 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.079 Registration's a Democrat. I thought you were a Democrat at 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:17.560 some time. 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.120 I have never been a Oh my gosh, no, I 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.120 have never been a Democrat. To be honest with you all. 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:26.239 Since since age eighteen, I have been a registered Republican 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:32.560 and have voted in every primary since then for decades now. Unfortunately, unfortunately, 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:33.960 only because of my age. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:38.959 Okay, I think that Dan's listeners, everybody needs to come 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:43.240 to grips what's going on. The Communists are at large now, 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:47.079 and I mean Mondamie's not hiding anymore. Elano Omar in 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.680 Minnesota is not hiding it anymore. You're talking about dearborn 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.120 Michigan Talita Rashiv is not hiding it anymore. These people 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:58.360 are communists. They're not Americans. They don't show the American flag. 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.400 They keep brandishing their own flags. From Somaya, from Mexico, 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.120 you name it, Judge, you hit on it right away 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.679 that Biden opened the floodgates up so he could get 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:11.800 votes into this country through illegal immigrants. Through the audits, 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:16.079 we now know at least twelve million people illegal aliens 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.679 voted in twenty twenty. We know that Trump actually destroyed 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.520 Biden the election. You know, but you know, you're crazy 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.640 if you admit those things. Now they're not hiding anymore. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.160 They're out wide open, you know. And the young kids 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:35.080 are brainwashed right now. We have forty years of students 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.560 that have been brainwashed. I mean, you look at what's 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:41.440 going on in Columbia University, what's going on in a 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:45.080 lot of the Ivy League schools. It's a disaster. And 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.560 I mean, I think, Dan, this is all part of 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.400 the Muslim what they've talked about taking over the Western world. 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:55.600 They'll do it from within. And you know there's Doonmie's 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:57.640 not the only guy. You guys have mentioned, the guy 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.520 in Minnesota and the other you know, communists are running 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.840 for office. And I think we've got millions and millions 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.319 and millions of Americans that are blinded to what's going on. 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:11.040 They don't realize they're about to give up their own freedom. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:12.120 You know. 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.720 I mean, we don't have to worry about police. Owy 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:16.960 have an army in the street killing you before they 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:19.360 ask questions. I mean, all they have to do is 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.439 look at Venezuela. What's been going on there with Monduro 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.040 Moduro No? 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:25.960 And I think you're right in terms of the communists 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.000 are out there. The communists are out there. They've got 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.719 that anti American attitude. The islam mister out there, they've 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:32.839 got an anti American attitude, and they're kind of all 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.720 merging together. And you talk about communists leading city guy. 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.360 What popped into mind was Karen Bass, who's the mayor 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.760 of Los Angeles. You know, she spent time in Cuba 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:46.559 with US Social Socialist Revolution Group and she comes right 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.680 out of Fidel Cass. Part of the weather Underground, wasn't she? 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.440 I think so related to you know, and you know, 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.680 I remember I grew up during the Cold War. It's like, 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.200 you know, then it was better dead than Red, right, 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.959 which Red was the communist not the Republicans, which I 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.040 think is a conspiracy of the media to make Republicans read. 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:06.040 So you can no longer. 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.959 Say that are you now or have you ever been 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:09.920 a member of the Communist but you. 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.680 Know, but you look at that and what we got 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:14.680 lost in the Biden administration, and I pray that the 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.600 Trump administration gets more aggressive with it. Is this immigration fraud. 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:23.280 I mean, well, I think Trump is because he's talking, 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.000 he's and they're not debating it at the moment, but 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.439 he has talked about and I think there's going to 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.480 be a huge debate about when the census comes around 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:36.000 not counting illegals in the census, and it has to do. 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:39.880 I think it plays into all the redistricting that's happening 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.040 right now, the maps that are being drawn, because if 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.880 if it's all based on population and you're not going 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.680 to count illegals as part of your population, well then 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.839 you're going to lose a lot of Democrats seats. And 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.160 that's one thing the Left cannot abide in any way, 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.720 shape or form, is losing their grip on power. 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:00.839 Absolutely, it's all about power. But when you look, I'm 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:04.520 talking immigration for a people committing fraud and their representations 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.920 to come into this country or on their citizenship applications. 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:12.160 You got it along Omar up in Minnesota who came illegally, 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.440 you know, from Somalia. She came to refugee status, right, 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:17.520 but she kept going back and forth, back and forth, 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.640 marrying her brother, marrying her brother, but marrying her brother 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:23.960 to bypass this. 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:24.720 Uh. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.360 You know Mandami in New York, he's already been in 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.520 this country for seven years and apparently failed to disclose 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:34.320 ties to terrorist organizations on his immigration forms. That is 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:38.120 grounds to revoke his citizenship. And the fact that he's 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.240 running for mayor may get elected mayor should not matter. Well, 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.360 I know there's some talk about that going on too. Yes, yes, but. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:46.440 Jack. 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:50.120 Eventually, Trump's gonna have to go into New York City 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:53.320 at some point. If Madami really starts to pull off 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.880 some of the stuff he's thinking about, I think Trump 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:59.440 will be justified going in there and removing him. Well, 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.240 he's going to and ask the guard, the army if 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:02.479 you have to, he asked. 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.720 To He's gonna run out of money. I think that's 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.200 the first thing that's gonna happen. He's gonna he's gonna 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.480 run out of money. And does he come hat in 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.480 hand to to Trump and and and start looking for 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.400 a federal bailout because Kathy Hopell doesn't have any. She 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:20.120 endorsed him the other day the governor. What an idiot. 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.720 And I'm seeing all these videos of these people. 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:24.400 Be in Miami, Florida. 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.200 Yeah yeah, all. 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.440 These videos of people and all I voted for Mondani. 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:33.120 I'm very proud of that, Jews, for I've seen stuff 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:34.720 like that. I do not understand that. 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.760 I don't you know. Here I saw a group of 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:40.000 three female rabbis making fun and joking and being glad 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.000 about it. Yeah, I'm sorry. I mean, I don't know 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:44.240 what world they're living in. 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:46.720 Yeah, that is a threat. They're going to make the 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.400 same video when they're all wearing a hey job. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:49.760 Yeah. 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:50.080 Yeah. 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.080 Well, the young people need to understand that socialism has 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:57.240 never worked in the history of mankind because eventually they 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.320 take the rich people's money and no one has in 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.200 he mind. Just Dan talked about they'll all be broke, 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:06.120 you know, and what he does, he keeps talking. That's 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.520 who's only answered everything. You're going to tax the rich. 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:10.200 The rich are going to get the hell out of 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:11.760 New York City. They're not standing. 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.240 There, They're already starting to do it. They're already starting 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.600 to do it. Ken, we got to run. But as always, man, 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:17.960 I appreciate you picking up the phone. 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.080 Brother, Great show. Guys. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.960 All right, there you go, Ken from Mason. When we 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.120 get back, we will talk about what's happening in the city. 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.000 Let's get back. Yeah, let's get to the city of Cincinnati. 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:28.480 R got off on a little tagent there, but we're 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.240 going to set up the city council races, the mayor raise, 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:32.720 all that kind of got all night. But let's know, 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.080 we got all night five, one, three, seven, four, the 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.120 big one. As we talk election on this Thursday night 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.960 edition of The Midweek Crisis on seven hundred WLW, Queen. 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.920 City Forward is more than a name. It's a nod 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:48.240 to the city. We love. Cincinnati keeps moving forward. Hey, 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:48.720 nikes and night. 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.240 On the Thursday night edition of The Midweek Crisis. Kurt 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:55.000 Hartman is in studio. If me we're talking election, we 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.000 we we got off on a tangent that first half 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.960 hour and it flew right by. So let's talk about 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:04.240 what's happening at city Hall. You've got Corey Bowman. It 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.800 was the the upstart, and it's been what it's been 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.399 like like five or six or seven election cycles before 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:15.040 a republic We haven't even had a Republican run for mayor. 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.320 I think the last Republican we had run for mayor 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:21.000 was brad Winstrup winstro I don't even remember when he ran. 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.080 It was like in the early early to mid two 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.359 thousands or something like four years before he ran for Congress. 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:27.840 Six one of his first times out of it. That 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:29.280 was I think that was his first time out of 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.000 the gates. Yeah, but it was just kind of a hey, he's. 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.560 Getting once to get involved, and he got convinced to 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:35.240 run for mayor. 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.480 Feed you to the wolves the first time, but he 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.159 got a good consolation prize. I've got why do you 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:42.800 think that is? 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:43.040 Why? 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.800 Why do you think that Republicans haven't even bothered to 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.639 make a showing for so long? And look, if Corey 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.119 Bowman wouldn't have stepped up this time around, we'd have 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:56.000 another cycle where we wouldn't have I just think running. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.760 Honestly, my take is we don't have good leadership in 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:02.760 the Hamilton County Republican Party. We have no fight in 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.960 the Republican Party. In the leadership, we just kind of 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.800 go along. I'm sorry, Okay, Yes, the numbers are against 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.080 you in Hamilton County and in the City of Cincinnati 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:16.040 especially right you're a minority party and the chances to win, 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:18.760 but you've got to be and I think in that instance, 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.879 people want you to be the loyal opposition, the fighting, 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.240 the challenging opposition and calling them out when they do stuff. 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:28.879 And for the past ten years or so, we've not 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.199 seen any of that, you know, as the power and 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.560 influence of the Hamilton County Republican Party or the Republican 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:38.879 Party in Hamilton County has decreased, party leadership has just 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.520 kind of sat there and said, oh, well, that's inevitable. 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.320 It's demographics. There's nothing we can do about it. Whether 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:45.760 there's something you can do about it or not. I 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:47.640 think there are certain things you can try to mitigate, 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.800 but at the minimum, be there, challenging, be a fight 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:53.200 you don't want to fight. 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.560 It seems like the effort has not even been really 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:57.640 been made, right. 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.560 You know, you don't go out that there's no effort 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.320 to go recruit candidates, just kind of sit there and 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.959 will Okay, whatever candidates show up. Oh I'm happy somebody 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.200 showed up. That that's not leading a party, that that's 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:10.760 not what we what we need. I think we need 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:15.040 somebody who has the foresight, has you know, more than 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:18.080 more than a month or a week before the filing 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.280 deadline for an office is out looking for candidates, is it? 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.399 Is it just a matter of fact of you know, 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.600 boots on the ground that we don't have the people 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.840 that want to do the hard work of knocking on 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:33.359 the doors, you know, making the T shirts, getting the 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.239 you know, getting the literature out there, that kind of 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.280 that kind of basic It seems to me that the 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:41.600 republic it seems to me there's plenty of Democrats who 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:42.480 are willing to do that. 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:44.200 Exactly well a lot of them. A lot of them 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:48.119 get paid by these non government organizations that got money 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:51.080 through us A I d whether you know. But to 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:52.919 answer your question, I think in a certain sense that 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.920 is right. But I don't think we try. I never 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:57.560 saw an effort when I was involved, when I was 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.760 running for office. I never saw good, court NATed effort 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:04.919 amongst all the different Republican Party groups, for example Xavier 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:09.080 University and University of Cincinnati Republican clubs. That's we just 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:10.600 kind of had them out there on their own. There 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:12.520 was no hey, let's get you involved in the party, 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:14.680 Let's get you involved in campaigns. Here are some young 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:19.399 people energize politically oriented Republicans, right, and we just they 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.760 do their thing, We do our thing, and that's it. 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:21.919 You know. 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.080 I kind of said, you know, a chairman of a party. 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:27.160 They call they're all doing their thing, but they're in there. 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:28.920 But then they're not connected with anyone else. 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.600 To me, a good, good, good chairman of a party 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.560 is kind of like the conductor of an orchestra. You 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:36.720 want to bring that, you know, the horns and the 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:40.760 strings and the percussion all together and make this symphony. 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:43.320 But when you let them just go off on their own, 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.119 you don't have anything. You got noise. And then in 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:48.040 a certain sense that that's what we've got. We don't 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.040 have a strategic plan, and it's like we always feel 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.960 like we're playing ketch up to what the Democrats have done. 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:54.679 All they did it better get out the vote campaign, 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:59.159 they did a better coordinated campaign. Yeah they did so, okay, 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.639 we'll go to try to do that. But and we 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:05.080 always just get focused on an election, unlike the Democrats. 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.199 I think as Republicans, we tend to get focused just 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.000 three months before the election, two months before the election, 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.840 whereas the Democrats it's a year round mentality. Again, we 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:16.399 talked about earlier the last half hour. How democrats strive 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.120 and organize just to maintain and keep power, and it 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:22.639 is a perpetual thought in their mind. You know. 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:28.679 Back in January, we all thought that basic city services 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:32.479 was going to be the major issue of this election cycle, 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:36.080 this before the crime started getting out, pop holes and whatnot. Yeah, 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:39.320 lo and behold two days three you know what is it? 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.800 Four days before the vote? Five days before the vote. 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:44.760 The city manager comes out and says, hey, we've got 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:47.000 all this great technology. The streets are going to get 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:51.880 plowed next time it snows. And oh you know, hey, 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:56.000 we've got iPads now in the trucks and the managers 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:57.879 can see where the drivers are going, and all the 0:21:57.880 --> 0:21:59.840 streets are going to get plowed. And I'm thinking to 0:21:59.880 --> 0:22:03.800 my self, well, wait a minute, Uh, where's the new trucks. 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.920 How about some trucks that work. How about some snowplows 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:09.280 they can get the job done. What about some smaller 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:11.720 vehicles they can get on some of those side streets 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:14.040 where it's hard to fit a full size true, you know, 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:16.400 or you can't fit a full side what about stuff 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:20.359 like that? Technology is great, but back in the fifties, sixties, 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:22.600 and seventies, we didn't have this kind of technology, and 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:26.040 guess what, the street's gone plowed. Yeah, because people knew 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:28.640 what they were doing. You know, how about some some 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:31.920 great four wheel drive vehicles where you can have managers 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:34.840 drive around and look at streets and identify streets and 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:36.959 say we need what about that kind of stuff? 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:40.959 But no, well we've got iPads. Now, we've got you know, 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.640 the high tech things, high tech technology, the trucks. That's 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:45.639 going to solve all the problems. You don't have to think. 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.280 You get people who don't think. Kidding me, and that's 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:50.680 what they rely so much upon technology that they don't 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:53.240 think for themselves. But in a certain sense, when you know, 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:55.520 I just heard that that story and the report. Yeah, 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:57.399 part of me said, though, wait a minute, that's almost 0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:59.760 like your house is on fire and you're worrying about 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:01.400 how how your rose garden looked. 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:03.600 We've got all this chaos going on at city Hall, 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:09.200 and it looks it's all the Democrats. Have to own that. Yes, 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.320 it's all Democrats at city Hall. Yes, and we got 0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:14.840 all this chaos going I have never I used to 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.840 cover city Hall when I was at Fox nineteen, and look, 0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:20.000 I thought that there was plenty of times when it 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:22.680 was a clown show then with the people who were 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:26.240 on City Council at that time, but it was never anything. 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:31.159 The one thing I remember about covering city Hall is 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:36.800 that whoever was on City Council and whatever buffoonery they 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.600 were up to, there was always a city manager who 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:43.240 was the grown up, who was the serious person, Who 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:47.720 who was the person that was you know, that could 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:49.399 step up and say, hey, it's time to knock this 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:50.760 off and get down to serious. 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:51.080 Yeah. 0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:54.800 But back in that day, we had really the city 0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:57.439 manager form of government. I don't know what form of 0:23:57.480 --> 0:23:59.359 government we've got in the City of since nat Well 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:02.160 we had the most have the strong mayor, but the man. Yeah, 0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:03.960 but who runs the city on a day to day basis. 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:06.280 It's the city man supposed to be the city manager, 0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:09.199 but it's it's the mayor because we've got we've got 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:10.719 an incompetent city manager. 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:13.560 The mayor is supposed to be more hands on now, yeah, 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:16.440 but not. All he's hands on was for press conferences. 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:18.560 And we have to have pur of all do besides 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:19.639 show up at press conference. 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:21.560 That's it. It's no leadership. 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.600 And I hope people have seen and how and how 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:29.600 do we have a mayor who feels confident enough and 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:32.679 feels comfortable enough that when you have a major event 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.240 happened in the streets of downtown Cincinnati that is on 0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:40.200 video and yours and it's going national internet, is being 0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:45.439 is being just a just pillary from pillar to post 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:49.880 on national TV, and that video is running morning, noon 0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:51.640 and night, day after day after day. 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:55.600 And you feel Okay, then you can leave the country. 0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:57.960 I can call it in. Yeah, you can, and you can. 0:24:58.200 --> 0:24:59.760 You can put up your five year old as a 0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:03.120 she and say, oh, it's my son's birthday and then 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:04.879 we you know, we got to go have a birthday. 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:06.720 So it is because I think I said it before 0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:10.080 with because because we have a mayor in the city 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:14.240 of Cincinnati who has no ties to the city of Cincinnati. 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:17.639 He's an honestly, he's an outsider. He never really established 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:22.320 himself as truly being Sincinnati compare Beaver Creek. But yeah, 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.520 but I think I think of John John crann in 0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:28.240 comparison to John Cranley. You know, agree or disagree with John. 0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:31.359 I know John, I like John, disagree with some stuff 0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:34.200 on John. But John really cared about the city SINCECT 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.080 because he grew up on the West Side. And I'm 0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:38.159 not saying you have to have been a native Cincinnati 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:42.720 and to be mayor helps. It helps, but but really, 0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:46.280 somebody who comes in who actually wants to loves the 0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:49.440 city and what we what we had. I kind of said, 0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:52.160 I look back historically, you go back to the nineteen 0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:56.400 seventies on city Council and the leadership of since I'm 0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:59.920 thinking people like Ted Berry and Gene Roman Democrat and Republican. 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:04.280 They cared about the city of Cincinnati. Their priority and 0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:08.400 only interest was the city of Cincinnati. What we got 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:12.080 within the past ten to twenty years on Cincinnati are 0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:15.919 more council members who have become grandstanders looking for a 0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:19.760 higher office. I'm thinking PG sitting Feld, I'm thinking aftab 0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:24.320 par of all. They don't have this love, if you will, 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:27.320 and commitment to the city. Their love and commitment is 0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:30.880 to themselves and their own political career. You know, Gene Rule, 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:33.520 me and Ted Berry never ran for another office. They 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:35.679 never sought out a higher office. Now not that they 0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:38.080 wouldn't have been qualified, not that they might have been 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.119 called to it, but they got on city Council and 0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:45.159 helped lead the city positively in the nineteen seventies because 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:48.760 they cared about the city. These people nowadays don't. It's 0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:53.159 all about power, be a local power, whatever, king of 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.159 the hill of the mole Hill. That's you know, it 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:57.760 may be compared to whatever, and that's what you get. 0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:01.000 And so with Aftab, you know, he comes to Cincinnati. 0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:04.560 You know, he does his little Afla Aftab duck thing 0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:07.560 to get elected, a cute little thing, good promotion, marketing, 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:10.840 but there was no substance behind it. And he didn't 0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:13.040 want to be Clerk of Courts forever. Oh, he wanted 0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:14.680 to run for Congress. He wanted to get involved in 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:15.680 national politics. 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:15.840 Right. 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:18.840 Remember he ran against Steve Shebdan lost he really that's 0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:20.800 really when it went so, but oh, I'm stuck running 0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:23.359 for mayor. I guess it was kind of a consolation price. 0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:26.480 I'm just gonna say that consolation. And if you talk 0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:28.439 to people, I've talked to people who have had some 0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:30.560 ties and nose what kind of heartbeat of what's going 0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:32.640 on in city hall. He never really enjoyed being there. 0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:35.200 I don't think there's any doubt he's got his sites 0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:37.400 set on something else. 0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:39.960 And which, after all, after his record in the past 0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:43.600 few months. I think hopefully people will see, you know, 0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:47.479 see what the lack of substance. But it's a press conference, 0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:50.639 it's a tweet. There's no substantive leadership. And you look 0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:52.960 at they've handled the brawl. You looked at how they've 0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:56.640 handled you know, Chief TG, and that that's been an 0:27:56.680 --> 0:28:02.720 absurd way of hand. It's no leadership. I'm sorry. You know, 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:05.359 even if somebody, even if somebody makes a decision I 0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:07.280 might not agree with. I might say, you know, that 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:10.200 was a that was definitely strong leadership. I might disagreed 0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:13.440 with the conclusion. I can't even say that about Aftab 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.840 or or Share, our longest city manager. She does whatever 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:20.679 Aftab is, She's unqualified for the job. She's no leader. 0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:23.240 He's no leader. But that and this is what and 0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:26.159 this nine members, nine Democrats on the Cincinnati City Council 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:29.000 are no leaders. I honestly, I don't know half. If 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:30.080 you ask me right now, I could. 0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:32.399 Not gonna and we want One of the one of 0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:34.919 the things that's gonna be a result of this is 0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:36.399 that it's going to cost a city a hell of 0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:37.119 a lot of money. 0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:39.640 Yes, with with that, you know they had probably they 0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:44.040 fired the fire chief. Look at the way she she did. 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:48.520 Mike Washington, Yes, and and her and both in and 0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:50.640 the g both with the Finny Law firm, and Steve 0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:54.560 m is his work in those cases, and it's gonna 0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:57.400 I think. I think the Mike Washington payout is going 0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:02.960 to be is going to be possibly here's that Steve. 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:06.720 Steve a great attorney, smart attorney, but these are cases 0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:08.560 that you don't need to be a rocket signed. And 0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:11.200 the city screwed up so bad it's like, what the 0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.680 heck are they doing there? They're dead to right. But 0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:17.360 I mean, and it's like, do the voters really realize 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:19.240 I'd love to hear from some voters in the City 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:21.240 of Cincinnati about their take on what's going on in 0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:23.040 the city, what's up with the with the election. 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:25.840 But I've seen chaos at city Hall before, but nothing 0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:26.160 like this. 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:29.240 No, But you know, can you really name all nine 0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:30.520 members of city Council right now? 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:35.080 I can't because you've got I'm in front of me. 0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:37.960 But the thing, the thing is, you know you got 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:40.360 jan Michelle lemon Coarney. She's the vice mayor who wants 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.479 to run for mayor in four years. Yeah, she she 0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.479 I guess she's uh, you know when I when she 0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:48.720 she comes on and she talks with Scott Sloan from 0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:50.520 time to time. I don't think she has done any 0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:54.640 other shows on this but but but whenever I see her, uh, 0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:57.640 and she's definitely got her site set on the mayor's office. 0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:01.880 Victoria Parks, who is not running again. The white guys 0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:05.120 deserve what they got said they were the ones who 0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:08.320 deserve the beat downs. Uh Anna Anna, I'll beat well. 0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:11.520 I heard her on the other day. She replaced Liz 0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:14.960 Keating she's the one who and again, no idea what 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:18.160 she's done. Jeff Kramerding Uh used to be with the 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:20.920 price Ill Community Council, Mark Jefferies. 0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:21.960 Uh. 0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:27.240 Scottie Johnson, who has apparently lost his mind. He was 0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:29.280 I don't know, I hit when when he was I 0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:32.360 think he was the leader of the sentinels within when 0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:36.400 he was on the police force. I you know, I 0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:39.960 I don't know. I'm kind of I'm kind of about 0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:41.920 Scottie John's. Every once in a while he comes out 0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:46.680 and says something that that's looseider makes sense. But there's 0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:48.200 a lot of times when he says things I just 0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:51.320 totally differt disagree with Evan Nolan. I have no idea 0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:54.840 about Evan Nolan. Minka Owens. I don't know a lot 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.840 about Mika Owens. But she clears the chairs the Climate, 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:02.800 Environment and Infrastructure Committee, so she's climate. The Cincinnati still 0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:07.160 have his EPA office. Don't it's climate office, don't. I 0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:12.400 don't believe it's it's on the Cincinnati Environmental with this administration, probably, 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.400 but but yeah, and then and then Seth Wall she 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:16.720 took over for Greg Landsman. 0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:18.640 But here's the thing with all that, why did they 0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:20.680 were what have they done? I don't know, not that. 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:22.560 I'm I can't think of a good reason to re 0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:24.280 elect any No, but. 0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:26.040 Let me, I'm not expecting these city council member. I 0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:28.040 don't want these city council members. I was also being 0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:32.000 constantly throwing themselves in front of the cameras either. But 0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:35.360 it's like there's been no skepticism, there's been no challenges 0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:38.200 to the administration. They've just been they've been rubber stamps. 0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:42.760 The only thing I've heard any of these council members say, 0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:45.800 Mark Jefferies, was on the other day when the whole 0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:50.440 when the whole Chief Police Chief Fiji story was breaking, 0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:53.240 he came on and said, look, city Council, we don't 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:55.960 have any clue. We haven't had any communication from the 0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:58.960 city manager. Then I haven't had any communication from the 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:02.280 from the the mayor. Because Scott Slan's like, well what 0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:03.200 about this? What about this? 0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:04.280 And he's like, well, I don't know. 0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:06.400 Okay, why aren't you demanding it? That he knows is 0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:08.240 what he's reading seeing on the news. 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:10.880 Then why aren't they demanding it as a body, Why 0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:13.560 aren't they standing up and pushing back again? Because they're 0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:17.440 all Democrats drinking the same progressive. 0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:20.360 Cool Absolutely, Now, Rick and Dallas, what's going on tonight? 0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:22.760 I'm sorry that the time got away from me. I 0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:23.480 saw you up there. 0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:25.040 Yeah, that's okay. 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:25.959 How you doing all right? 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:26.200 Rick? 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:28.080 We we got a couple of minutes left in this segment. 0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:28.680 Okay. 0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:29.560 Well, I grew up there. 0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:32.040 To this day, I know a whole lot about. 0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:32.440 The history there. 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:39.000 There's a there's one dramatic difference between the local politics 0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:42.960 there today and say, oh, go back thirty forty fifty 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:43.400 years ago. 0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:44.520 You know what the difference is. 0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:46.040 What's the difference. 0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:49.640 Back back fifty years ago? You had these guys. They 0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:54.320 are a bunch of PROCs Ian the puppis fifty years ago, 0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:54.760 you had the. 0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:57.040 Real deal over there. Come on, Charles p. 0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.840 Task, Bill Bowen, H. 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:05.400 Gratison and you have Barryson good all the trial over councils. 0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:07.640 Come on. 0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:13.960 These were serious individuals cared about the city. These these 0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:17.840 individuals had a sense of civic responsibility and and doing 0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:19.920 what was best for the city. And I think gave 0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:21.000 what showed back then. 0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.360 Yeah. But but but one more thing to those people 0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:28.280 actually owed the city. I mean these people now are puppets. 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:29.360 Yeah, I mean they are. 0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:33.840 I mean, but those people the child's to the Lucas, 0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:37.080 they owed the city. I mean they have money if 0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:40.000 they had scared in the game. These people don't have it, 0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:42.240 the scared of the game. These people are puppies. 0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:44.840 No, I think you're right. I think you're right. I 0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:47.960 mean I think I think even like Tomaya demart Thenard right, 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:49.760 she had no skin in the game. She was happy 0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:51.960 to get the paycheck. And if that's if it's just 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:52.840 getting a paycheck and. 0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:56.960 What one thing before? Because I know you gotta hang 0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:59.920 up there, How you going to get the people all 0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:03.280 of the city. Id idid Hill or you know that 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:06.440 inty Hill. But you know you know what, people that 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.600 have no money to grow up the city council, you 0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:12.640 ain't gonna do that. They're too lazy. I mean, why 0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:14.680 should they do it when they could get these pumpers 0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:18.839 to do, you know, and do their work for I mean, 0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:23.440 the people with the power are too damn lazy to 0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:25.839 be all city council. That's what I'm saying. 0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:28.600 Rick. I appreciate the phone call, Thank you very much. 0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:30.520 I think Rick makes a good point there, and especially 0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:32.760 it's like, you know, even if these people quote unquote 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:34.480 who owned the city or whatnot, even if they're not 0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:38.520 gonna run, they're not pushing for good candidates. Yeah, I know, 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.759 I don't see the business community really stepping up. And 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:46.160 I'm talking to cadates they needed. And that's what we'll 0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:47.960 go down. We'll go down the list of candidates who 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.040 are running. Yeah, well there's a long list. I don't know. 0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:53.920 That'll take up the whole Next second, are you're going 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:55.160 to be here all night? Say there? 0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:58.840 And five, one, three, seven, the big one relate for 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:00.799 a break. So let's do that now. It is the 0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:03.520 Thursday night edition of the Midweek Crisis. On seven hundred 0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:06.839 ww I was born overseas in Jordan, actually. 0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:09.600 Seven hundred WLW. 0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:14.279 It's the Thursday night edition of The Midwek Crisis. I'm 0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:16.680 Dan Carroll. We rock and roll till Midnights. Tonight we're 0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:17.680 talking elections. 0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:19.520 My last show. 0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:27.680 Before election night on November fourth, Tuesday, the first Tuesday 0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:31.120 after the first Monday. And breaking all this stuff down 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:37.399 with me tonight is Judge Kurt Hart. So let's let's 0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:40.800 talk a little bit about it. Back in in August 0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:44.759 of this year, the city manager sent a letter to 0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:49.200 the police Chief, Teresa Thiech, and she was complaining that 0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:52.040 the police chief went out there and said, you know what, 0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:54.160 we're going to work with other police chiefs in the 0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:57.600 city of Cincinnati and they've got this task force and 0:35:57.680 --> 0:35:59.239 we're going to be part of it, and we're going 0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:01.640 to do what we can to crack down on crime. 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:06.759 And so Cheryl Long was upset about this, saying that, look, 0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:09.560 you need to get with me before you say something 0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:12.839 like this publicly. So when I when I look at 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:17.560 this letter and she's talking about all communications, external meeting strategies, 0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:19.880 blah blah blah, you know they got to go through me, 0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:22.920 They go through my pr person. All this all this 0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:27.040 stuff this is it says to me that there was 0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:31.200 not a work a real working relationship there, to my 0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:34.600 way of thinking, the police chief and the city manager 0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.320 the city the police chief reports to the city manager. 0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.560 They ought to be talking every day, multiple times a day, 0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:44.360 first thing in the morning. I mean, you just checking in, 0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:46.000 what's going on, what do you got today? 0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:47.920 Anything? Anything going on. 0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:52.720 These conversations should be going on every single day, multiple 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:54.960 times a day. And this letter tells me that was 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:55.480 not happening. 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:57.759 But also, but also I would say if I was 0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:02.800 city manager, I have a police chief who has decades 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:06.160 of experience in law enforcement. Yes, I a city manager 0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:11.280 have none right, Cherlong has none right. You know myself 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:13.480 personally I was a judge. But that's not law enforcement. 0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:16.719 That's that's a minute. But you have pop people with 0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:21.680 expertise in an area, You let them run their department 0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:26.920 using that expertise. You provide general oversight, you don't micromanage. 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:29.400 That's exactly what she was doing. That's exactly and what 0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:32.719 it is. And it's like, what knowledge, what basis of 0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:36.839 experience does share along a city manager have to know 0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.880 anything about the police department. 0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:43.279 No, she this letter should have said, Hey, saw your 0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:45.440 press conference. You want to work with the other chiefs 0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:47.799 in the say good, you're being proactive. Hey, let let 0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:49.720 let's get together. How can I help? 0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:52.680 How? How does the city make this happen for you? 0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:55.960 What do we do? Who do we contact? Let's get 0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:56.799 the ball rolling on this. 0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:00.839 But letter should Shlong has been trying to dress her 0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:02.480 down and say, you need to get with me. 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:05.719 But I have to have Parahl choosing share along as 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:08.799 city manager because she had two qualifications. She was a 0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:12.279 DEI hire and she would do whatever Ata told her 0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:16.239 to do. That's it. She is incompetent and she has 0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:20.480 confirmed her incompetence here as of late. But really, really 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:21.759 for the years that she's been there. 0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:24.560 It's the City of Cincinnati used to have an Office 0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:25.880 of Municipal Investigation. 0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:30.120 I believe that's Do they still have it. I doubt it. 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:31.759 I don't know. I've never heard of it. If it 0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:34.600 still does, I know they had it. Yeah. 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:39.080 It seems to me that office would be perfect for this, 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:42.960 this exercise that Sarah Long wants to play. Pay Frost 0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:46.400 Brown Todd for it. It's gonna be in the neighborhood 0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:47.520 of fifty thousand dollars. 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:49.239 You know, what they really need in the city of 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.840 is kind of an inspector general, an independent inspector general, 0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:55.280 something like that that can go back and investigate stuff 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:59.719 and issue reports to try to improve the government of 0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:01.080 the of the City of Cincinnati. 0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:04.680 Now she's saying, we have to investigate her performance as chief, Well, 0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:08.240 where have you been? Well wait minute, there's performance reviews. 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.120 So it doesn't that tell you what her performance is. 0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:12.560 Either you know of something or you don't know of something. 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.719 If you don't know of anything, But now they got 0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:17.520 to pay a law firm to find out if she's 0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:20.440 been an effective leader. Uh, if she's been a leader 0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:23.600 within the context of city government, including furthering the broader 0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:27.000 goals and objectives of the city administration. When I and 0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:29.279 and I did, I did a whole show on this 0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:32.960 last week. I dialed up all this stuff and it's 0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:35.400 right all there on the city on the city website, 0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:38.480 and and it's all it's all the emission statements and 0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:42.400 all this stuff, and it's it's a diversity, equity and inclusion. 0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:47.279 It's it's all this woke mumbo jumbo. And so so 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:50.759 my my theory on this is that Teresa Thiji was 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.719 trying to do the best she could to adhere to 0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:57.120 the wishes of Aftab Purval and share Al Long, trying 0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.680 to carry out their wishes within the police department and 0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:03.760 the way the police department did their job. And when 0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:07.439 things started going bad, that when the results came in 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:11.320 and the crime whether and look, you can slice and 0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:15.520 dice these statistics one hundred different ways, but the perception 0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:18.239 was is that crime was out of control in the 0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:21.360 city of Cincinnati, and so when that started putting the 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.959 heat on a tab Purval, then we got the mess 0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:27.480 that we have now. Yeah, I think, you know, I 0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:29.400 think it's as simple as that it is. 0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:31.719 It is like I said, we got a city manager 0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:34.560 who's not letting the people with the experience. It's like, 0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:36.640 you don't give up, you don't give them a blank check, 0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:40.319 but you ask critical questions, but you don't micromanage. And 0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:43.120 it's like, that's what we've got with people both in 0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:45.919 the mayor and the city manager who have never really 0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:48.520 had some real life experience in the private sector. 0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:52.000 So they want to find out if she's committed any 0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:57.200 infraction or policy violation with serving as police chief, has 0:40:57.239 --> 0:41:01.200 disregarded best practices and the running the CPD to the 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:04.759 detriment of public safety and crime. For let me ask, 0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:10.319 she's telling, uh, Frost Brown Todd that we want you 0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:11.680 to find these things out. 0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:15.080 What do you think Frost Brown Towd's going to find something? 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:19.239 I have no idea. I think there's not there's what's there? No, 0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:21.080 I don't think there is. Why wouldn't we know about 0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:22.960 this if these things have already happened? But who is 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:25.960 Frost Brown Toald working for the city and he who 0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:29.040 pays the fiddler calls the tune, and so this is 0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:30.000 kind of like the old one. 0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:32.280 What they're going to find out is that they're gonna 0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:35.719 cut the private report is going to say, hey, this 0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:38.160 is on you mayor this is on you city manager. 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:40.600 It's not her fault. But then publicly there's gonna be 0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.040 this whole thing with hiring Frost Brown and Todd to 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:45.800 conduct an investigation to tell me, hey, is there something 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:47.400 she did wrong by which I might be able to 0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:50.240 fire her even though I city manager have no clue. 0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:55.400 Really it's Alison Wonderland. It is the Red Queen verdict. First, 0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:56.480 then try. 0:41:56.320 --> 0:41:59.319 They gotta they gotta hire these people to figure out 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:02.280 why they see they fired, they fired, but they didn't 0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:07.400 really fire her, you know, all technicality. 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:08.600 Trying to find the grounds to fire her. It's like, 0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:12.600 you know, verdict first, then trial that that's and and 0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:13.279 it's like this. 0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:16.040 And Stephen is just sitting there, just just just looking 0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:19.239 at Hey. 0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:21.239 This is what the people of Cincinnati, unfortunately, guys, and 0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:24.319 take take some responsibility and acceptance of responsibility. This is 0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:25.120 what they voted for. 0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:27.720 I don't vote in the city. And if you're listening 0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:29.640 to me right now and you vote in the City 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:31.960 of Cincinnati, you've got to vote the changes. 0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:33.920 No, you know, like you said, you went through the 0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:36.040 council members, and it's like, what have any of them done? 0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:38.719 I don't even know half of them or of half 0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:41.680 of them. But it's like where there's no accountability, there's 0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:44.920 no oversight. You know, you talk about one council member, Well, 0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:46.799 this is the first we heard about. Why aren't you 0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:50.520 demanding information from the administration. You're just sitting there, docile 0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:56.640 City Cincinnati Council meeting. Yes, and and and it's like, guys, 0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:01.840 that's what you is. I would expect city, but but 0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:04.480 you know, but thankfully, thankfully, you know, two years ago 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:07.200 when city council ran, there were ten people running for 0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:12.200 nine slots on city Council. Ten people, nine Democrats and 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:16.160 one Republican. And guess what they elected all nine Democrats. 0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:19.120 And this is what we've got. Thankfully, we've got twenty 0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:21.760 six plus or minus people running this election. 0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:24.680 There's some good people people here. In a minute, Jack 0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:25.840 and Harrison, what say. 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:27.200 You, Dan? 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:27.560 Carrol? 0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:29.800 How are you all right? Jack? How are you doing tonight? 0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:33.520 I'm doing well. And hello to the honorable judge. And 0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:36.400 I'll tell you guys right now, the only way a 0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:39.759 Republican is going to be the mayor of Cincinnati, he 0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:42.120 is going to have to rent out of space downtown 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:44.240 right by a government. 0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.800 Square and be ready to do the work. 0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:49.759 Be there three or four days a week, open the 0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:52.600 place up, have a microphone, let the community come in 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:56.400 and talk and talk to the community, and then find 0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:59.040 out ways to fix the problems that are bugging them, 0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.960 and then use people from the community to solve the problems, 0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:06.480 and then give them some free food from the food 0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:07.360 trucks that this. 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:10.319 City is trying to ban. Yeah, what about that? 0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:13.560 How That's how we're a Republican would win because the 0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:19.160 problem is and the Democrats have called this. People look 0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:22.080 at black people like, oh, they're just going to vote Democrat. 0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:26.000 They're not even going to consider a Republican. But let 0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:29.319 me tell you, buddy, I deliver medical supplies all through Cincinnati, 0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:32.560 and I talk to all colors of people, and black 0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:35.480 people are very smart. And you give them a microphone 0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:38.360 and they're gonna give you ways to fix these problems. 0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:39.759 Nobody listens to them. 0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:41.200 There's nobody they. 0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:43.600 Talk to them and tell them all we're gonna give 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:44.560 you this. We're gonna give you that. 0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:45.920 They don't need nothing free. 0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:49.680 He's one of the most rufius people in Cincinnati are 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:51.839 black people. They don't need handouts. 0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:54.920 Well, Jack, you need a microphone. They need a microphone, 0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:56.839 All right, Jack, But thank you very much for the call. 0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:59.440 What about that move when the when the city manager 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:01.879 comes out and says we're putting a curfew on food 0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:04.360 trucks and they got to shut down by eleven o'clock 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:07.400 at night, What crime solved? 0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:12.439 Okay, it's like ridiculous of all evil in the city 0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:15.719 of Cincinnati. Oh wow, what brilliant. Why did we think 0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:18.279 of that? I mean, and you know, Jack was saying, 0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:20.200 you know, talking to you know, black people, but really 0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:22.759 the average citizen, I don't care what race, have a 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:25.359 lot of common sense and I pray that they are 0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:28.520 seeing through and using their common sense and saying this 0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:30.920 is ridiculous what we're getting out of the city right now, 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:33.359 we're getting sure and hopefully, you know, he talks about 0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:36.840 talking to people, I would argue that the Republicans won't 0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:39.919 talk to the people, they'll listen to the people, because 0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:44.000 what you got right now is from Aftam and the 0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:46.680 Democrats on council, and the share law is they keep 0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:49.640 talking to the people, telling them what they need to think, 0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:53.239 telling them why not just sit there and listen to 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:57.560 the people. And I think that that's the difference. You know, 0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:00.719 people like Aftab are from this job around, from this 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:03.520 attitude that they're the smartest people in the room and 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:05.960 they are telling you what to think and if you 0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:08.400 think otherwise, you don't know what you're talking about. That 0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:12.120 is their attitude. And I think, you know, thankfully we've 0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:15.279 got some good people running for city council who appreciate 0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:18.719 that people have good common sense and good solutions at times, 0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:22.440 and sometimes it's just sitting there being quiet and listening. 0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:25.040 You have problem with politicians and you put a microphone 0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:27.319 in front of them, they almost want to monopolize that 0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:30.440 microphone for themselves. Sometimes it's like hand the microphone to 0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:32.280 the next person, listen to them. Yeah. 0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:36.320 Well, one of the people running for council is Chris Smithman. Yeah, 0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:40.600 and he's been there before. And Chris Smithman has been 0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:43.400 seeing what's been going on, not just with the police chief, 0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:46.040 but a whole series of things. And he got to 0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:48.960 the point where he said, you know what, I got 0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:51.120 to step up. I can go back in there. I 0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:54.040 can bring some common sense to all these proceedings. I've 0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:57.560 been there before. I know what I'm doing. And Chris 0:46:57.560 --> 0:47:00.680 Smitheman didn't need to run for city council. No, I 0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:04.239 mean this. You talk about a guy who feels a 0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:05.320 sense of civic duty. 0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:07.560 Well, and I really think that's what's driving him. 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:07.799 Yeah. 0:47:07.880 --> 0:47:10.320 And you know, I'm good friends with Chris Smitherman personally, 0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:13.200 so full disclosure there. But you know, you go back 0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:15.480 to what I described, like Geene Ruleman and Ted Berry 0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:18.000 caring about the city, and that was it. Chris Smitherman's 0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:20.560 in that category. I think. So Christopher is not looking 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:23.720 for a higher office, not looking to grandstand. He's looking 0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:25.880 out for the city of Cincinnati, and that's the positive. 0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:27.960 And that's when you get people like that. And there 0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:30.040 are a few other people we can talk about running 0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:33.280 in that category. I think that will make the change, 0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:36.000 you know, onto un city council at least, you know, 0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:38.920 and hopefully in the mayor offs. I think Corey Bowman, 0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:41.719 you know, is concerned about the city as well well. 0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:43.840 And and Liz Keating, I think the time that she 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:47.200 spent on city council, right, she she brought a voice 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:51.400 of reasonableness to city council. And then look and she 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:54.120 worked across the aisle on a lot of different issues, right, 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.520 And I remember there there were times stuff that I 0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:00.439 didn't necessarily agree with. But you know what he did 0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:02.880 is she came on, she came on my show, she 0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:05.560 came on this rate all with with this radio station, 0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:08.440 a lot of different shows, and you ask her what, 0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:11.319 you know, why did you do what you did? And 0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:13.439 she would say, well, here's why, and boom boom boom, 0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:16.000 and she'd explain. You could hold an intelligent conversation. She 0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:18.080 didn't run from it, didn't try to hide from it. 0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:20.680 Yeah, and the other other former council member running Steve 0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:23.920 Gooden as well, Steve Steve's was on council and was 0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:26.719 running again. And interesting if you look at the Smitherman 0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:30.360 Keating good and you know Trio, you have an independent, 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:32.239 you have a Republican, and you have a charter right 0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:34.600 there you go, And you know what I can see. 0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:36.080 I know, you know, I know all three of them. 0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:39.279 They'll work well together, you know. And they're not it's 0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:42.080 not political ideog ideogs in this. And you know, in 0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:44.120 a certain sense of people, if you really think about it, 0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:48.680 you know, this whole Democrat Republican shouldn't really matter when 0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:50.879 it comes to the City of Cincinnati positics. People are 0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:53.839 generally Republicans or Democrats because of national politics. 0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:56.839 Well, the one thing that Chris Smitherman talks about, and 0:48:56.880 --> 0:49:00.160 I think really the parties ought to be talking about 0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:03.080 it a little bit more, uh is and and if 0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:07.279 you look at the Hamilton County UH sample ballot, UH 0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:10.440 they talk about vote for only three members of council. Yes, 0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.640 Chris Smitheman says, vote for maybe four or five that 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:16.400 you like because because of the top nine vote getters 0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:19.279 get in. So and he makes a good point that 0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:22.080 if if you if you vote for nine, your vote 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:24.560 gets watered down a little bit. If you vote for 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:27.000 only three or four or five, then your vote has 0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:27.800 a little bit more. 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:30.200 Now if you, yeah, really vote for the people, and 0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:32.000 that's important. You know, it is a field race, and 0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:34.719 you're part of the field race. Aspect is you don't 0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:36.840 have to vote for all number of votes that you 0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:39.440 are allowed up to nine and for citiz Cincinnati City Council, 0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:41.600 because think about it, if I vote want three people, 0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:44.799 really I vote for those three and I stop because 0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:47.680 I would hate for my person to lose by one vote, 0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:49.799 and that one vote was the that was the fourth 0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:52.040 or fifth vote I did on my ballot, right, you 0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:53.759 don't want that, you and you know it's almost that 0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:56.040 in a certain sense, doubling your vote. If you don't vote, 0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:58.719 if you vote for three or four as opposed to nine, 0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:00.839 you're almost doubling your vote because you' not giving votes 0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:05.240 to other candidates who might slip by your really preferred candidates. 0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:08.040 And that's the way to do these races, you know. 0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:11.040 And interesting when you have these field races, it doesn't 0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:14.440 take all that many votes to win. You don't have 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:18.359 to be number one vote getter's top nine vote geters. 0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:19.719 And you know what they call the person who got 0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:23.680 the most votes versus the person who came in number nine, councilman, 0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:28.040 council member. That's it same. So it's no difference. And 0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:30.920 you know, you look at the past numbers. Back in 0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:34.880 four years ago, twenty twenty one, there were about thirty 0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:38.719 two thirty three people running. You know, the number nine 0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:41.840 vot geter was list keating with sixteen seven hundred votes 0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:45.439 in the city of Cincinnati. So there you go, that's 0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:49.400 doable on and with twenty six people running, it opens 0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:51.600 it up a lot. It's not ten people running with 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:54.520 we have two years ago, which then then it was 0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:58.880 just people part of voting the Democrat Party slate Jared Amelia, 0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:02.680 how are you tonight? Hey? Jim? 0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:03.719 Is this y? 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:05.759 Yeah? This is you, Jim. What's going on? 0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:07.439 Hey? 0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:12.760 Did you hear that interview with the police chief's brother 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:14.720 with cunning had today? 0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:15.799 Yeah, I've I've heard. 0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:18.040 I've heard him on a couple of times, and he 0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:20.359 is he is the one a great job, I think 0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:22.040 speaking on behalf of his sister. 0:51:23.719 --> 0:51:26.160 But he was talking about disrespect and. 0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:28.000 Then there's a lot of that going on. 0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:34.640 And a couple of weeks ago, Counningham prepared the police 0:51:34.719 --> 0:51:40.840 chief like some Dutch boy paint, saying on a paint 0:51:40.920 --> 0:51:42.000 can do you remember that? 0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:43.640 No? I don't, I don't remember. 0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:46.200 I don't remember Cunningham comparing the police chief to the 0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:50.680 dutch boy paint. Can I don't. I don't think that's happening. 0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:55.880 Look teresag to my way of thinking. She there was 0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:57.760 a couple of them, and we talked about this earlier 0:51:57.880 --> 0:51:59.680 a couple of times when she didn't do herself any 0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:03.000 favor by the comments that she made. But I think 0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:05.400 when you look at the body of work that she 0:52:05.480 --> 0:52:10.040 has put in as police chief, really, I really don't 0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:12.400 know how you can how you can find fault with 0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:15.319 She wouldn't have been the police chief as long as 0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:18.760 she has been if she was not trying to work 0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:23.040 within the guidelines that this administration later or. 0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:25.920 The restrictions that I guess restriction is a better word. 0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:26.200 Again. 0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:28.120 And the thing is with the police chief is yeah, 0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:31.839 you even agree or disagree. Maybe you had big criticism 0:52:32.040 --> 0:52:35.279 the way Aftab and share a long city manager have 0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:39.360 handled this has been just a textbook of how what 0:52:39.480 --> 0:52:40.080 not to do well. 0:52:40.080 --> 0:52:43.560 The other component of this is that the mayor has not, 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:47.479 to my knowledge, has not made any overtures or any 0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:50.440 effort at all to talk with the judges in Hamilton 0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:54.759 County and say, look, we need you to keep these 0:52:54.760 --> 0:52:56.319 people locked up, be. 0:52:56.239 --> 0:53:00.120 More serious, be more get rid of your progressive politics. 0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:04.040 But the protat has not has not gone problem. Understand, 0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:08.200 the Democrat Party nationally and the Democrat Party locally has 0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:14.440 become has been hijacked or taken over by that anti police, 0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:20.080 rehabilitative justice whatever that means. That that no bonds, low bonds. 0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:21.600 I want you to figure out what that because I 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:25.400 was going to ask you what that means, restored restored justice. 0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:25.799 Thank you. 0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:29.200 Yeah, it's not with an answer. It's not your fault. 0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:31.759 That's what it means. It's not your fault. All right, Well, 0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:34.960 I think about that again. We'll have a coherent answer 0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:36.239 on that on the other side. But we got to 0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:38.560 get to a break right now. Ten twenty five. It 0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:41.480 is the Thursday night edition of the Midweek Crisis on 0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:43.000 seven hundred WW. 0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:45.160 This is Jeff for tri statement. 0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:48.160 Back on the Big One seven hundred W l W 0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:53.680 ten thirty eight. This is the Thursday night edition of 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:57.040 the midweek Crisis, Dan Carrol, Kurt Hartman hanging out and 0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:01.560 talking about election and we're looking looking at the judges 0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:06.240 right now. You know, there's our buddy. Andrew Pappus says 0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:09.000 all the time that you really need to when it 0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:12.480 comes to elections, even though this is an off year election. 0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:15.160 There you know you're not voting for president. You know, 0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:17.000 we don't have a governor's race. I don't think we 0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:19.919 have any state issues on the ballot. He always talks 0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:23.560 about your MIC's not on there, you go there, you 0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:26.000 got I am here, I heard you and no one 0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:29.800 else here. But he always makes the point that local 0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:32.759 elections are the most important ones and you really need 0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:34.160 to get out of effect. 0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:35.480 You on a day to day Basi's more so than 0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:38.759 any other election, but so much. 0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:42.520 When I talked to Ken Kober, the head of the FOP, 0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:49.440 our conversation almost every single time turns to the frustration 0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:54.200 that Cincinnati police have because of people who commit crimes, 0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:58.560 go into the system and then get let out to do. 0:54:58.520 --> 0:55:01.000 What to commit more crime? Yeah, And. 0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:05.480 I don't know if this is it seems to me 0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:10.600 that this was not the way things were fifteen. 0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:11.960 Or twenty or thirty years ago. 0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:14.440 It seems to me that you and we were joking 0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:16.600 about it before we went to the break about that. 0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:18.279 You know, we have so many of these judges who 0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:21.799 believe in this restorative justice or whatever that term is. 0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:27.080 And it's how does this kind of thinking make its 0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:29.640 way into people who wind up on the bench. 0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:35.760 Because if you really look, and it's true across academia, 0:55:36.040 --> 0:55:39.719 in the universities, in law schools, I really think in 0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:43.640 over the past decades, since the late nineteen sixties, there's 0:55:43.680 --> 0:55:49.640 been this systemic infiltration of the universities by the far 0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:54.880 left Marxists. They become the educators. They then throw these 0:55:55.040 --> 0:55:57.480 concepts out. You know when I when I was in 0:55:57.560 --> 0:55:59.720 law school in the early nineties, you know, we already 0:55:59.760 --> 0:56:03.440 had those classes law and the law and the women 0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:06.160 with law. In this law it's really not how to 0:56:06.200 --> 0:56:11.040 practice law. It was more this attitude towards the law. 0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:13.239 But it should be. But when you get when you 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:16.840 got Marxist who are anti American, dead set on undermining 0:56:16.840 --> 0:56:22.160 and really overthrowing the American system, the Western civilization, they 0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:26.479 start propagandizing this and they started at the undergraduate level. 0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:28.120 You go to graduate school, when you get it there 0:56:28.640 --> 0:56:31.719 and you know, it creates the you know, law is 0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:36.000 white privilege, Law is creating victims out of you, et cetera, 0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:39.799 as opposed to law is yearning. Yeah, not perfect, but 0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:44.120 the yearning in terms of equality and equal opportunity, equal treatment. 0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:46.919 They don't see it as that. And again it goes 0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:48.400 back to I really believe it goes back to in 0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:53.680 aspects of power, when governmental political and governmental power over 0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:55.640 other people's lives. And so when you go through a 0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:59.960 system like that, you know, and you create this brainwashing 0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:03.000 in doctor nation, whatever you want to call it, you 0:57:03.000 --> 0:57:06.680 get those people out in the legal profession. You know, 0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:09.880 I need to upset, be disruptive of what used the 0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:16.600 law to be a disruptor because it's racism, it's patriarchy, 0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:20.520 it's you know, use whatever cliche phrase they use. And 0:57:20.560 --> 0:57:22.200 then you get people. We get that. Like I said, 0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:25.480 the Democratic Party today both nationally and locally, has been 0:57:25.520 --> 0:57:28.320 taken over or is now the progressive wing of that 0:57:28.360 --> 0:57:31.400 party that is the mainstream Democratic Party, and they put 0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:34.600 forth people for these offices, both on city council as 0:57:34.600 --> 0:57:37.280 well a it's on the bench that have this attitude 0:57:37.320 --> 0:57:41.480 that I'm here to change the whole system, right, you know, 0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:43.600 as opposed to improving the system. They don't want to 0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:46.040 improve the system, they want to change the system. But 0:57:46.760 --> 0:57:48.800 who does that serve though? I think about that, and 0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:50.880 I have no doubt that there was a time in 0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:56.680 this country when minorities, black individuals, or if you were 0:57:56.920 --> 0:58:01.000 a non white person, they had their their time in court. 0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:03.880 And I think there's probably a lot of defendants who 0:58:03.880 --> 0:58:06.120 got railroads certain in different ways. 0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:09.880 I'll agree with you absolutely, but and I think a 0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:13.000 lot of those issues have been addressed. I would imagine 0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:16.280 there are pockets of it where it happens. I like 0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:18.960 to think that it didn't happen that much in Hamilton County, 0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:21.640 at least in the in the experience. And I like 0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:24.680 to think that we've been lucky. And I talked to 0:58:25.200 --> 0:58:30.919 uh uh to uh some different judges about this over 0:58:31.040 --> 0:58:33.920 over the time, over time, and I think we've been 0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:35.920 lucky in Hamilton County that we've had a lot of 0:58:35.960 --> 0:58:39.840 people who took people at the courthouse, you know, judges 0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:44.040 and prosecutors who took their job seriously and you know, 0:58:44.680 --> 0:58:49.920 didn't provide any favors for those who were connected and 0:58:49.960 --> 0:58:55.360 then didn't screw people over who you know, weren't part 0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:56.760 of a certain class a. 0:58:56.760 --> 0:59:00.560 Day, didn't meets a certain check mark. State boxes justice. 0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:04.160 Really, I think we we strove to have justice really 0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:07.080 be blinds. But but but if if you have, if 0:59:07.120 --> 0:59:10.040 you have all these past wrongs and then and then 0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:14.760 you have defendants come before you today, how does it 0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:19.800 serve those who were wronged in the past by cutting 0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:23.640 a brake or being lenient to those who commit crimes today? 0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:27.400 And a perfect example is this dude, Shaquille Ferguson. He 0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:30.400 was in court today and there's going to be He's 0:59:30.720 --> 0:59:34.720 going to be held on I mean no bond. Okay, 0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:39.680 So Shaquille Ferguson violated his probation on a on a 0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:43.400 felony conviction just three months ago. So this dude was 0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:46.560 convicted of a felony three months ago, and yet he's 0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:50.200 free to run around Fountain Square and open fire into 0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:52.960 a restaurant and only by the grace of God, no 0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:57.000 one was no one was killed in that shooting. But 0:59:57.440 --> 0:59:59.919 you know, how does it serve how does it serve 1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:02.840 you know, the people of Cincinnati well or Hamilton County 1:00:03.000 --> 1:00:07.480 that this guy, after being just convicted on a felony 1:00:07.480 --> 1:00:09.360 conviction is out running the streets. 1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:14.320 Well, let me experience from the bench, right, Yeah, I 1:00:14.360 --> 1:00:16.400 was recent actually, I was recently talking to one of 1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:19.800 my former colleagues who's still on the bench about this recently, 1:00:20.760 --> 1:00:22.800 and this judge that pointed out and it was true 1:00:22.800 --> 1:00:26.640 when I was there is you know, there's the state law. 1:00:26.720 --> 1:00:29.680 We're bound by as judges to follow the law. And 1:00:29.720 --> 1:00:32.680 the law you know, everybody who's convicted of a felony 1:00:33.080 --> 1:00:36.440 doesn't get sent to prison. Yeah, when I when I 1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:39.360 was there, you know, we have five levels of felonies, first, second, third, fourth, 1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:41.360 and fifth degree felonies. When I was on the bench, 1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:44.720 if you got convicted of a fourth or fifth degree felony, 1:00:44.720 --> 1:00:47.880 which are the lower level felonies, there was a presumption 1:00:48.040 --> 1:00:52.480 that you should be based placed on probation. And it 1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:56.720 was really difficult, nearly impossible, if you will, to send 1:00:56.720 --> 1:00:58.840 somebody like that to prison for a fourth or a 1:00:58.880 --> 1:01:02.720 fifth degree felony was a presumption you place them on probation. 1:01:03.040 --> 1:01:06.720 Third degree felony. At that time, it was neither presumption 1:01:07.160 --> 1:01:10.200 first or second degree felony presumption to send them to prison. 1:01:10.240 --> 1:01:12.520 So depending upon what they're convicted of as a felony, 1:01:12.760 --> 1:01:15.600 matters there since I've been there. There was a program 1:01:15.600 --> 1:01:18.280 in I don't have the details, but t CAP where 1:01:18.360 --> 1:01:22.520 the state was even putting more restrictions on the ability 1:01:22.560 --> 1:01:24.720 of judges to send people to prison, to be honest 1:01:24.760 --> 1:01:28.160 with you, and part of it is the sentencing structure 1:01:28.240 --> 1:01:34.840 in state law handicaps the judges in certain instances that 1:01:34.920 --> 1:01:37.440 even on a third degree felony, now it is difficult 1:01:37.440 --> 1:01:41.400 to send somebody to prison because that's what the law mandates, 1:01:41.720 --> 1:01:43.840 and that the Prison Bureau of Prisons will not be 1:01:43.920 --> 1:01:48.240 taking people in those instances. So just because they're convicted 1:01:48.280 --> 1:01:50.480 of felony again, you got to get better fact what 1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:52.840 their history is. You've got to develop what their whole 1:01:52.880 --> 1:01:55.720 history is. But you know, person point judge pointing out 1:01:55.760 --> 1:01:59.240 to me, if somebody comes before them, you know, having 1:01:59.280 --> 1:02:01.760 a what we call having a weapon that's under disability, 1:02:01.760 --> 1:02:05.880 that they have a prior felony conviction, if that felony 1:02:05.920 --> 1:02:10.480 conviction was they as a juvenile, that's all you know. 1:02:10.560 --> 1:02:12.720 You have no clue. You cannot get any records or 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:16.240 information about what their juvenile record was other than they 1:02:16.240 --> 1:02:20.840 were had this juvenile adjudication, and you have no clue. 1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:23.320 The violent whether it's violent or not, whether a gun 1:02:23.360 --> 1:02:26.080 was involved, and that becomes a third degree felony, and 1:02:26.120 --> 1:02:28.760 they can't and they're getting that prep all those records expunge. 1:02:28.840 --> 1:02:32.560 Now juvenile records not expunge, but they're sealed or they're 1:02:33.080 --> 1:02:36.040 you can't get out, you can't, there's limited access. You 1:02:36.040 --> 1:02:38.760 you can know what they what they were convicted of 1:02:38.920 --> 1:02:41.440 or Adjudicated's not a conviction in juvenile called they were 1:02:41.440 --> 1:02:45.440 adjudicated delinquent based on this type of offense. But that's 1:02:45.480 --> 1:02:47.760 about it. That all they know. And so the information 1:02:47.840 --> 1:02:49.400 they have if they come as a twenty year old 1:02:49.400 --> 1:02:51.880 in front of the judge having this weapon because and 1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:54.320 can't have a weapon because of their juvenile judication, that's 1:02:54.360 --> 1:02:57.240 all the judge knows. And that's really not enough under 1:02:57.280 --> 1:02:59.760 the law to send them to prison. And so part 1:02:59.800 --> 1:03:02.840 of the the structure is what the General Assembly, the 1:03:02.920 --> 1:03:07.000 legislative state legislature has dictated to the judges. So the 1:03:07.040 --> 1:03:09.560 fact that you know the fact that what the real 1:03:09.640 --> 1:03:11.720 issue comes in, and this is where the municipal court 1:03:11.800 --> 1:03:15.200 races are important, is setting bonds when they are arrested 1:03:15.640 --> 1:03:18.520 before their conviction. You know, we got a lot of judges. 1:03:18.560 --> 1:03:20.960 A lot of the liberal progressive judges on the municipal 1:03:21.000 --> 1:03:24.880 court bed which where the bonds are set, are very deferential. 1:03:25.440 --> 1:03:27.800 Just you promised to come back to court, Okay, no 1:03:27.920 --> 1:03:30.600 bond or one hundred dollars or a ten percent bond, 1:03:31.040 --> 1:03:33.440 and they're in and out. And that's you know, And 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:35.680 that's why these municipal court races here in the off 1:03:35.760 --> 1:03:37.640 years that are coming up are so important, because those 1:03:37.640 --> 1:03:40.880 are the judges that do the initial appearance, the initial arraignment, 1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:43.080 set the bonds initially. Yeah. 1:03:43.160 --> 1:03:45.280 I think it was Berklewooz who was on with Cunningham 1:03:45.280 --> 1:03:46.680 a couple of weeks ago, and he was talking about 1:03:46.680 --> 1:03:48.760 all the empty beds at. 1:03:48.560 --> 1:03:51.680 The Hamilton count Justice Yeah. 1:03:50.840 --> 1:03:52.920 And that used to I know a few years ago 1:03:53.120 --> 1:03:55.760 it was Todd. They were talking about how they've got 1:03:56.360 --> 1:03:59.160 crowd Yeah, over crowded. You've got you know, three or 1:03:59.160 --> 1:04:00.959 four or five dudes in a cell that was built 1:04:00.960 --> 1:04:01.880 for two or three. 1:04:01.760 --> 1:04:04.280 Yeah. But he and back then and that's not the case. 1:04:04.360 --> 1:04:05.760 That's not the case. But back then it's like, you know, 1:04:05.760 --> 1:04:08.960 you can't send everybody one. There's the presumption of innocence 1:04:09.040 --> 1:04:11.560 if you're accused of a crime. You're presumed innocence, but 1:04:11.600 --> 1:04:14.240 there are other factors that go into it, the seriousness 1:04:14.240 --> 1:04:17.800 of the charge, the strength of the evidence against the person. Uh, 1:04:17.880 --> 1:04:20.240 you know, in public safety, you know, you know, and 1:04:20.280 --> 1:04:22.440 part of that obligation is on the prosecutors to know 1:04:22.440 --> 1:04:24.240 about the case. One time, and I was doing how 1:04:24.280 --> 1:04:25.800 many how many crimes are on video? 1:04:26.400 --> 1:04:29.640 When when I heard that Marty Brennaman's statue, yes, was 1:04:29.960 --> 1:04:35.160 was vandalized it Great American Ballpark over the weekend. The 1:04:35.200 --> 1:04:37.040 first thing I said, I said, They've got to have 1:04:37.440 --> 1:04:40.440 video cameras down there. They've got to have surveillance cameras 1:04:40.480 --> 1:04:43.160 down there. And then sure enough, twelve hours later, here's 1:04:43.160 --> 1:04:45.400 the video of the dude, you know, some thirteen year 1:04:45.400 --> 1:04:47.320 old kids breaking a statue down there. 1:04:47.400 --> 1:04:49.680 But I saw the mother said keep him in. The 1:04:49.720 --> 1:04:56.120 mother the old saw I thank you, mom. I just 1:04:56.160 --> 1:04:58.040 saw a headline or something on a story on that. 1:04:58.080 --> 1:04:59.920 Thank you mom. Yeah, thank thank you. 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:04.440 But you know, no, no, and you know, and you know, 1:05:04.480 --> 1:05:06.720 I've set bonds before when I was on the bench 1:05:06.800 --> 1:05:09.800 and you know, doing arraignments, and every now and then 1:05:09.880 --> 1:05:12.680 it's like, okay, the one time, I remember one guy 1:05:12.680 --> 1:05:15.360 had an attorney with him and his attorneys arguing for 1:05:15.360 --> 1:05:16.000 a lower bond. 1:05:16.240 --> 1:05:18.520 Oh we want this, And it's like I opened the 1:05:18.600 --> 1:05:21.320 rule that said, here's factors a b C D to consider, 1:05:21.520 --> 1:05:23.760 and one of those factors was the strength of the evidence. 1:05:24.040 --> 1:05:26.440 I do the prosecutor, what evidence do you have? I 1:05:26.480 --> 1:05:30.200 don't know, Judge, And it's like, wait a minute, that's 1:05:30.200 --> 1:05:32.680 one of the factors I'm supposed to consider in terms 1:05:32.720 --> 1:05:35.040 of setting bond. And you don't know. Well, when the 1:05:35.080 --> 1:05:38.200 prosecution says, I don't know, Judge, that's that's a problem exactly. 1:05:38.280 --> 1:05:40.080 And I gave guy you know, and then you know, 1:05:40.120 --> 1:05:43.920 I remember another you know, and I remember another time 1:05:43.960 --> 1:05:46.320 I d got request to reduce bond. I said, remember 1:05:46.360 --> 1:05:50.320 this mother comes in. Uh, I forget if she was worked. 1:05:50.360 --> 1:05:53.160 I think she worked either for the I think she 1:05:53.160 --> 1:05:55.600 worked for the federal government, either Post office or or 1:05:55.640 --> 1:05:57.680 something like that. And she comes in and she's like, Judge, 1:05:58.200 --> 1:06:00.520 he's the black sheep of this family. I got two 1:06:00.600 --> 1:06:03.400 good daughters, ones in the military, ones who I'm trying. 1:06:04.000 --> 1:06:06.400 But she was a very responsible mother, and I reduced 1:06:06.400 --> 1:06:09.040 the bond. But because I trusted the mother, and it 1:06:09.120 --> 1:06:11.240 worked out fine. But you know, so you've got a factor. 1:06:11.280 --> 1:06:13.840 You can't send everybody who's arrested just to hold them 1:06:13.880 --> 1:06:17.080 in jail till they go to trial, you know, because 1:06:17.080 --> 1:06:19.720 that underminds presumption of innocence. But you've got to fake 1:06:19.760 --> 1:06:22.280 way these facts and it's difficult as a judge, It 1:06:22.360 --> 1:06:24.320 is difficult, and you know, I know. 1:06:24.560 --> 1:06:26.800 But it just seems like it gets to the point 1:06:26.840 --> 1:06:29.600 where not everyone is on the same team. 1:06:29.880 --> 1:06:33.840 I agree with you there, the consistency, the standards, the expectations. 1:06:33.880 --> 1:06:35.960 I know so many police officers who are on the 1:06:35.960 --> 1:06:39.520 street who are constantly running in and arresting the same 1:06:39.640 --> 1:06:40.960 people over and over. 1:06:40.800 --> 1:06:41.520 And over again. 1:06:41.640 --> 1:06:44.080 That yeah, and they and they go in front of 1:06:44.160 --> 1:06:47.920 whatever judge in Hamilton County, throw down a hundo and 1:06:47.960 --> 1:06:49.080 they're on their way out the door. 1:06:49.240 --> 1:06:51.400 Hey, you were out on bond and then you committed 1:06:51.760 --> 1:06:53.680 another crime and now you're back and for it. Bam, 1:06:53.800 --> 1:06:54.520 your bond's. 1:06:54.320 --> 1:06:57.160 Higher and you cut off your ankle monitor and and 1:06:57.240 --> 1:06:59.240 you know it's no one knew about it. 1:07:00.160 --> 1:07:02.680 I agree that that, you know, you know, it's kind 1:07:02.720 --> 1:07:05.040 of one one for me, one shame on you for me, 1:07:05.080 --> 1:07:07.560 twice shame on me. That's kind of the attitude. Yeah, 1:07:07.600 --> 1:07:08.920 I had you. Like I said, you want to be 1:07:09.560 --> 1:07:11.880 respectful of that presumption of innocence. You want to try 1:07:11.880 --> 1:07:14.160 to apply the rules and the standards they give you. 1:07:14.200 --> 1:07:17.080 And you know that's that's the way the system should work. 1:07:17.120 --> 1:07:20.640 It's not perfect, you know, I mean, Heaven forbid, you know, 1:07:20.680 --> 1:07:22.040 and your part in the back of your mind, you 1:07:22.080 --> 1:07:23.640 always well, if I let this guy out on bond, 1:07:23.720 --> 1:07:27.120 is he what if he goes and does something? You see? 1:07:27.840 --> 1:07:28.919 I mean, just what you just said. 1:07:28.960 --> 1:07:31.200 It seems to me that a lot of judges don't 1:07:31.200 --> 1:07:32.840 take that into consideration at all. 1:07:33.600 --> 1:07:34.080 No, I don't. 1:07:34.360 --> 1:07:37.200 This person's going to get out and go and recaving 1:07:37.280 --> 1:07:38.640 somewhere else. You want to hear from one of my 1:07:38.640 --> 1:07:42.640 favorite callers, Yes I do, Alice and Clairemont County Alice, 1:07:42.640 --> 1:07:43.480 How are you tonight? 1:07:44.400 --> 1:07:46.240 Very well? Thank you for taking my call. 1:07:46.600 --> 1:07:49.080 As always, thank you so much. 1:07:49.120 --> 1:07:50.840 I just said you're one of my favorite callers. Do 1:07:50.840 --> 1:07:51.760 you feel good about that? 1:07:52.560 --> 1:07:52.760 Yes? 1:07:52.800 --> 1:07:53.160 I do. 1:07:53.240 --> 1:07:55.880 And your show is appointment listening. 1:07:56.560 --> 1:07:59.680 You're the best. See why she's one of my favorite 1:07:59.720 --> 1:08:01.840 Where are you from in Claremont County, Alice? What part 1:08:01.840 --> 1:08:05.280 of Claremont County, Amelia? That's the area I grew up 1:08:05.560 --> 1:08:06.160 decades ago. 1:08:07.440 --> 1:08:11.320 And yes, I left Cincinnati when I saw the direction 1:08:11.480 --> 1:08:14.960 the city was going in. Uh, And I'm proud of 1:08:15.000 --> 1:08:19.479 that decision. Now, question, we have all these juveniles who 1:08:19.520 --> 1:08:25.360 are running around and they've been given curfews, they've had 1:08:25.520 --> 1:08:30.559 midnight basketball, art and craft classes, and I'm wondering, why 1:08:30.800 --> 1:08:33.480 can't the parents be brought in to be held responsible. 1:08:33.680 --> 1:08:37.160 These kids are a result of poor parenting. Why can't 1:08:37.240 --> 1:08:40.240 bring the parents in and hit them in pocket books? 1:08:40.320 --> 1:08:42.920 Parents have to be responsible. They brought them into the world. 1:08:44.240 --> 1:08:44.639 Parents. 1:08:44.720 --> 1:08:46.760 I know that's been talked about from time to time. 1:08:46.960 --> 1:08:49.720 Is that is there is there a way to make 1:08:49.800 --> 1:08:53.320 that work in reality? Is there a way that you 1:08:53.400 --> 1:08:57.200 think that something like that could work to really hard I'm. 1:08:57.040 --> 1:09:03.680 Thinking thinking there Alice Partially, I mean when you have 1:09:03.840 --> 1:09:06.000 when they go through the juvenile court system. I never 1:09:06.040 --> 1:09:09.040 I don't practice in juvenile court. Uh. But you know, 1:09:09.400 --> 1:09:11.679 the parents should be there as part of the case. 1:09:12.479 --> 1:09:15.160 And I would expect, I would hope, but I'm not 1:09:15.240 --> 1:09:17.960 convinced with at least one of our juvenal court judges. 1:09:18.280 --> 1:09:22.120 That's something. Sometimes it's not lecturing the juveniles, it's lecturing 1:09:22.120 --> 1:09:24.880 the parents. I'm kind of putting standards on the parents 1:09:24.880 --> 1:09:27.360 there and then and you know, you know, you're kind 1:09:27.400 --> 1:09:30.080 of a family judge. You're fine kind of trying to 1:09:30.760 --> 1:09:33.920 do this, you know, but also on you know, on 1:09:33.960 --> 1:09:37.280 the counterview, and I agree with Alice in terms of 1:09:37.640 --> 1:09:41.959 parents need to be helped be responsible. I'm also cautious 1:09:42.040 --> 1:09:44.840 that I don't want the government always coming in and 1:09:44.880 --> 1:09:47.519 telling a parent how to parent either, because that's a 1:09:47.600 --> 1:09:50.719 that's a slipper, that's a slippery, slippery slope. I'm sorry, 1:09:50.920 --> 1:09:55.160 you know, I mean in some places not I think 1:09:55.200 --> 1:09:59.400 in Oregon and Washington State. Maybe you know, it's child 1:09:59.439 --> 1:10:02.160 abuse if your child wants to change gender and you, 1:10:02.200 --> 1:10:06.120 as a parent, say no, because the government is coming 1:10:06.160 --> 1:10:08.840 in and saying we know what's best for your child, You, 1:10:08.960 --> 1:10:12.280 the parent, don't coming and that's that s the pretty 1:10:12.439 --> 1:10:16.120 and you know it's it's like so it's a fine line. 1:10:16.600 --> 1:10:18.760 You know, how much do you tell the parent you're 1:10:18.800 --> 1:10:21.400 not being a good parent. You and I might see it, 1:10:21.479 --> 1:10:26.000 but you know, and it's saying you don't want people 1:10:26.080 --> 1:10:28.200 the right to make mistakes. But it's sad and it's 1:10:28.240 --> 1:10:30.479 problematic when parents are making the mistakes and how the 1:10:30.640 --> 1:10:32.920 raising children it's one thing when they make the mistake 1:10:32.920 --> 1:10:37.519 and effects only themselves. So but I think in terms 1:10:37.560 --> 1:10:39.320 of the juvenile court system, I think we need to 1:10:39.400 --> 1:10:42.479 be more aggressive. I think we get this attitude of well, 1:10:42.560 --> 1:10:46.240 you're only a child, you don't understand. I'm sorry. You know, 1:10:47.000 --> 1:10:50.160 kids younger and younger they get they are smarter and 1:10:50.200 --> 1:10:52.160 smarter each each year. 1:10:52.200 --> 1:10:55.280 We go along right and sometimes not in a good way. Alice, 1:10:55.320 --> 1:10:56.920 we got to run, we got to get to a break. 1:10:56.920 --> 1:10:59.439 But as always, I appreciate you listening. I appreciate you 1:10:59.479 --> 1:10:59.920 picking up. 1:10:59.840 --> 1:11:02.840 The thank you, thank you out. 1:11:02.920 --> 1:11:04.400 We'll talk to you next time. 1:11:04.400 --> 1:11:09.120 So Alice and Claremont County, uh, one of my absolute favorites. 1:11:09.240 --> 1:11:10.800 Ten fifty five. We got to get to a break. 1:11:10.800 --> 1:11:12.639 News coming up top of the hour, but we roll 1:11:12.680 --> 1:11:15.760 on till midnight tonight on seven hundred WLW. 1:11:16.200 --> 1:11:18.920 Ghost are for costumes, not hiding in your air ducks 1:11:18.960 --> 1:11:22.160 and lurking throughout your home. Who knows the amount of 1:11:22.280 --> 1:11:23.519 dustin pollute WU. 1:11:23.560 --> 1:11:26.160 It's eleven oh seven, man, this night is flying right by. 1:11:26.280 --> 1:11:31.920 It's the Thursday night edition of the Midweek Crisis. Dan 1:11:32.000 --> 1:11:36.080 kle or Kurt Hartman with you till midnight tonight talking elections. 1:11:38.479 --> 1:11:43.719 I am not on the air between now and election day. 1:11:43.960 --> 1:11:47.440 So I had to do it tonight. 1:11:47.920 --> 1:11:50.240 Otherwise, if people didn't listen to me, how would they 1:11:50.280 --> 1:11:51.000 know who to vote for? 1:11:55.360 --> 1:11:56.680 How would they know? How would they know? 1:11:56.840 --> 1:11:58.720 How would they know who to vote for? It was 1:11:58.760 --> 1:12:00.920 like when I was in TV and it would snow, 1:12:00.960 --> 1:12:02.599 and then you go outside and sell people. Hey, it's 1:12:02.600 --> 1:12:05.000 snowing outside, tell me something, you know. The one thing 1:12:05.280 --> 1:12:06.720 when I was on TV when it when it was 1:12:06.760 --> 1:12:11.000 snowing outside, I never told people and I never said, hey, uh, 1:12:11.400 --> 1:12:13.960 you know, stay home if you if you can stay home. 1:12:14.560 --> 1:12:17.599 I never said that because it's it's it's not up 1:12:17.640 --> 1:12:20.040 to me to tell you to stay home. They what 1:12:20.160 --> 1:12:22.719 I would say, though, I would say, look, you gotta 1:12:23.000 --> 1:12:25.120 this is one of those days the snow was really bad. 1:12:25.520 --> 1:12:27.160 I would say, this is one of those days where 1:12:27.200 --> 1:12:31.479 you have to evaluate yourself as a driver if you drive. 1:12:31.600 --> 1:12:33.840 If you're a good driver in the snow, then then 1:12:34.360 --> 1:12:37.400 have at it. But if you're not good, then then 1:12:37.640 --> 1:12:40.200 think about it before you go out. Is how I 1:12:40.240 --> 1:12:41.360 would I would set it up. 1:12:41.400 --> 1:12:44.200 However, I think I'm pretty good driver in the snow. 1:12:44.800 --> 1:12:47.600 That's not my that's not my criteria. My criteria is 1:12:48.120 --> 1:12:52.040 how are the other drivers? That's what I'm that's my favor. 1:12:52.080 --> 1:12:55.800 It's like, if you're a bad driver, be honest, if 1:12:55.840 --> 1:12:57.559 you look, I'm not a good driver in the snow, 1:12:57.640 --> 1:12:59.160 then no shame in staying home. 1:12:59.200 --> 1:13:01.519 But if only if only good drivers went out in 1:13:01.560 --> 1:13:03.800 the snow, I would be fine. The fact is, I 1:13:03.840 --> 1:13:07.200 know bad drivers in the snow go out in the snow, and. 1:13:07.040 --> 1:13:11.360 That's what concerns me. So that that kind of brings 1:13:11.439 --> 1:13:13.880 us full circle. We started talking about the snowplows. You know, 1:13:13.920 --> 1:13:15.960 we thought the snow flows were going to be the 1:13:16.439 --> 1:13:18.280 major issue this year, but it turned out, you know, 1:13:18.360 --> 1:13:20.840 crime and punishment and all that, all that stuff, and 1:13:20.880 --> 1:13:22.920 now we got complete chaos at city hall. It's an 1:13:22.960 --> 1:13:26.519 absolute mess, and the city manager is completely incompetent. I 1:13:26.520 --> 1:13:29.679 don't think there's any question about that. So so we were 1:13:29.600 --> 1:13:31.080 talking about judge. So let me let me take you 1:13:31.360 --> 1:13:32.200 at one point on that. 1:13:32.280 --> 1:13:35.240 Just come up. I agree with your city manager is incompetent. 1:13:35.880 --> 1:13:38.120 We have nine members on city council. Have any of 1:13:38.160 --> 1:13:41.040 them called her out for her incompetence? Have any called 1:13:41.040 --> 1:13:42.599 out for her resignation? No? 1:13:42.760 --> 1:13:47.080 Absolutely, not none. To my way of thinking. You've got 1:13:47.960 --> 1:13:53.719 all the these nine members of council. You've got Albie Kramerding, Jeffrey, 1:13:53.800 --> 1:13:57.040 Scottie Johnson. Love you, Scottie Johnson, but you gotta go, 1:13:57.120 --> 1:14:02.519 brother jam Michelle lemon Kearney, Seth Walsh, meek Owens. See 1:14:02.560 --> 1:14:04.840 you get him out of there. It's not working. You 1:14:04.920 --> 1:14:08.040 need a change. Get him out of there. So I 1:14:08.040 --> 1:14:10.799 I am not endorsing any of them for a counsel. 1:14:10.840 --> 1:14:16.600 I'm endorsing Smitherman. I'm gonna endor endorse Keating. I like, 1:14:17.120 --> 1:14:21.960 I like Stephan Pryor. To Stephan Pryor. Look, this is 1:14:22.000 --> 1:14:26.439 the guy I met Stephan Pryor. Uh three or four 1:14:26.520 --> 1:14:29.920 years ago. I'm driving through Avondale and I see a 1:14:29.960 --> 1:14:34.000 sign in a person's yard and the sign reads, teach 1:14:34.040 --> 1:14:37.160 your son not to kill my son. I've already taught 1:14:37.160 --> 1:14:40.000 my son not to kill yours. And I'm thinking, man, 1:14:40.040 --> 1:14:42.840 that is a provocative sign. Hey, this this is a 1:14:43.160 --> 1:14:44.840 and and I said, I got to find out who 1:14:44.880 --> 1:14:46.360 put that sign out and get him on the show. 1:14:46.400 --> 1:14:48.680 And it turns out with Stephan Pryor, who was the 1:14:48.720 --> 1:14:52.840 son of Aaron Pryor the Hawk. Yes, and So I've 1:14:52.880 --> 1:14:55.000 had Stephan on the show a number of times. And 1:14:55.439 --> 1:14:58.000 this is a guy who who who walks the walk. 1:14:58.040 --> 1:15:00.759 He's been out on the street working with young people, 1:15:01.160 --> 1:15:04.200 trying to convince him that there's a better way to 1:15:04.240 --> 1:15:07.599 settle your arguments, settle your disputes than then picking up 1:15:07.600 --> 1:15:11.400 a gun. And he's done things like he he'll he'll 1:15:11.439 --> 1:15:15.160 have kids go up to Eden Park and in the 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:20.040 in the reflecting pool there, he'll they'll they'll do radio 1:15:20.080 --> 1:15:24.519 controlled boats. And I mean he's put boxing events together. 1:15:25.040 --> 1:15:26.240 He's done all kinds of stuff. 1:15:26.280 --> 1:15:28.599 He walks the wall. He does he doesn't talk to talk, 1:15:28.680 --> 1:15:30.200 he walks the way. He's out there on the street. 1:15:30.240 --> 1:15:32.880 And I remember when when the city came up with 1:15:32.920 --> 1:15:37.879 these auditioning different initiatives to try and come back gun violence, 1:15:38.760 --> 1:15:41.040 and I and they, I don't know. They had some 1:15:41.320 --> 1:15:43.639 couple of guys came in from California and said, oh, 1:15:43.680 --> 1:15:45.880 we got this great plan, you know, and it's only 1:15:45.920 --> 1:15:48.519 going to cost you fifty or sixty thousand dollars and 1:15:48.560 --> 1:15:50.280 pay us his money and we'll put this play. They 1:15:50.280 --> 1:15:52.960 didn't do anything. And I said, why didn't they talk 1:15:53.000 --> 1:15:56.120 to you? You're out there, you're talking with the kids 1:15:56.120 --> 1:15:58.120 on the street. You know what, you know what's going on. 1:15:58.360 --> 1:16:00.000 But no, they didn't want to talk to a guy 1:16:00.160 --> 1:16:00.519 like him. 1:16:00.600 --> 1:16:03.080 Because it goes back to my comment the last last 1:16:03.080 --> 1:16:06.000 half hour. We got these people in city Hall who 1:16:06.240 --> 1:16:09.320 talk to people. We're the smartest people. We're telling you 1:16:09.360 --> 1:16:11.720 what you need to think and do as opposed to 1:16:11.880 --> 1:16:16.040 listening to people. And that's that's reiterates that point. 1:16:16.360 --> 1:16:20.479 The Republican endorsed candidates for city Council are Gary Favors 1:16:21.720 --> 1:16:24.599 and Linda Matthews, as well as well as Liz Keith 1:16:24.800 --> 1:16:27.080 and Liz Keating. I do not so we already endorsed 1:16:27.120 --> 1:16:30.559 Liz Keating. I do not know anything about Gary Favors. 1:16:31.600 --> 1:16:33.400 What do you know about Linda Linda. I know Linda 1:16:33.439 --> 1:16:36.120 has been involved in the party, very supportive and been 1:16:36.160 --> 1:16:39.960 out there and involved. So I think Linda again heart 1:16:40.080 --> 1:16:43.880 of concern to the community as well. So I think 1:16:43.960 --> 1:16:46.200 then Linda would be a serious person. Though. 1:16:46.600 --> 1:16:48.639 Yeah, for the most part, I think we need serious 1:16:48.680 --> 1:16:49.799 people on city Council. 1:16:49.840 --> 1:16:51.360 I think we need Yeah, I think in a certain 1:16:51.360 --> 1:16:53.360 sense we need serious people. I think we also need 1:16:53.400 --> 1:16:57.760 it would be healthy to get different viewpoints on city Council. Yeah, 1:16:57.800 --> 1:17:00.679 maybe not even people I necessarily agree with one hundred 1:17:00.680 --> 1:17:03.320 percent or ninety percent of the time. I think you 1:17:03.360 --> 1:17:07.120 need people are who are going to ask the critical questions, 1:17:07.520 --> 1:17:10.400 and that's really what I think would be healthy, you know. 1:17:10.600 --> 1:17:12.880 And again, call out the city manager and call for 1:17:12.920 --> 1:17:15.160 a resignation if you think she's as opposed to just 1:17:15.200 --> 1:17:18.200 sit there so docile on city Council and not saying 1:17:18.200 --> 1:17:20.960 anything because oh we're all Democrats and I'm not allowed 1:17:20.960 --> 1:17:24.560 to say anything. I'm sorry, people, your priority should be 1:17:24.600 --> 1:17:27.840 the City of Cincinnati, not your political party, you know, 1:17:28.320 --> 1:17:30.080 and that's important there, you know, you talk about who 1:17:30.080 --> 1:17:32.120 else I would point out. I think Steve Gooden would 1:17:32.120 --> 1:17:34.800 be good to get back to get back back on 1:17:34.840 --> 1:17:38.360 city Council as well, So you know, there's there's four 1:17:38.439 --> 1:17:40.040 or five of them out there with that, I think. 1:17:40.080 --> 1:17:42.120 And like you said, you don't have to vote on 1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:45.479 nine and shouldn't vote on nine. Put more punch in 1:17:45.520 --> 1:17:48.200 the four or five votes that you do, not not 1:17:48.439 --> 1:17:51.840 nine votes. That just waters down your votes. And so 1:17:51.960 --> 1:17:57.960 I think that and again hopefully people, I'm just sorry 1:17:57.960 --> 1:18:01.160 people cannot be happy with the statu quo in the 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:04.840 City of Cincinnati. It would just it would dumbfound me 1:18:04.920 --> 1:18:07.160 for people to say things are going right, it's the 1:18:07.240 --> 1:18:11.759 right direction, and therefore people it is time for a change. 1:18:11.880 --> 1:18:13.519 Please not I would I would like to be talking 1:18:13.520 --> 1:18:17.000 about something different. Look, I don't talk about the city 1:18:17.040 --> 1:18:19.360 politics or what happens in the city on every show, 1:18:19.600 --> 1:18:21.479 but when I do talk about it, it seems like 1:18:21.520 --> 1:18:23.479 it's always the same thing. I would like to be 1:18:23.560 --> 1:18:26.559 talking about. When when the street car was happening, I 1:18:26.560 --> 1:18:28.320 talked about the street car all the time. 1:18:28.640 --> 1:18:28.720 And. 1:18:30.479 --> 1:18:34.800 Milton Dhoney was a city manager, then what what what 1:18:35.000 --> 1:18:35.439 a mess? 1:18:35.479 --> 1:18:36.000 That guy was? 1:18:36.520 --> 1:18:39.639 What an absolute carpet begger. He was Josh Burkle at City, 1:18:39.640 --> 1:18:43.200 County or Municipal Court district. For yes, that's a competitive 1:18:43.320 --> 1:18:46.000 district that you know in Hamilton Judge's he comes on 1:18:46.080 --> 1:18:49.920 this radio station dushod with with Cunningham time to time, 1:18:49.920 --> 1:18:51.880 and the guy's fantastic. 1:18:51.439 --> 1:18:53.880 And he's out there in the community. He's not in 1:18:53.920 --> 1:18:56.240 this ivory tower of the courthouse, which is it's good 1:18:56.320 --> 1:18:58.160 you're out there. You kind of know what's going on. 1:18:58.200 --> 1:18:59.720 You get a feel for what's going on the street. Now, 1:19:00.280 --> 1:19:03.640 should realize in Hamilton County or municipal court elections are 1:19:03.680 --> 1:19:07.360 not county wide. So we have districts in Hamilton County 1:19:07.360 --> 1:19:10.479 for municipal courts. So they got drawn up in the 1:19:10.560 --> 1:19:14.439 late eighties, early nineties. I'm in Josh Burger Wisha's district. 1:19:14.439 --> 1:19:18.160 I'm not sure so and so yeah, so what what 1:19:18.240 --> 1:19:20.040 you had it was basically if a settlement of a 1:19:20.080 --> 1:19:25.439 Federal Voting Rights Act lawsuit, because back in the eighties 1:19:25.439 --> 1:19:28.400 and nineties when we were doing elections county wide, we 1:19:28.400 --> 1:19:31.559 weren't electing any African Americans to any judicial bench. And 1:19:31.600 --> 1:19:34.920 the kind of did a settlement to get hey, well, 1:19:35.120 --> 1:19:37.320 set up these districts, and some districts will be so 1:19:37.400 --> 1:19:44.160 heavily Democrat late eighties, early nineties. Really yeah, okay, I 1:19:44.200 --> 1:19:48.400 don't know, that's the late late Bill Mallory. Uh. Bill 1:19:48.400 --> 1:19:52.800 Mallory Senior was well, she's on common please, that's kind 1:19:52.800 --> 1:19:55.599 of John Westcott on the bench. Those are county wide, 1:19:55.600 --> 1:19:57.080 and I agree with you know, that's what you do, 1:19:57.320 --> 1:20:01.160 and you know they're fantasticcomms sense. But so we have 1:20:01.240 --> 1:20:05.240 these districts. So honestly, some districts are very strong Republican districts, 1:20:05.280 --> 1:20:08.160 some of the East west Side districts, some districts are 1:20:08.240 --> 1:20:10.920 very strong Democrats, and then some are kind of leaning 1:20:10.960 --> 1:20:14.559 one way or the other. Uh to two Republican districts 1:20:14.600 --> 1:20:19.120 are leaning Republican, but not overly whelmingly. And district for 1:20:19.240 --> 1:20:21.439 with Judge Burger, which is one of them. But but 1:20:21.560 --> 1:20:25.200 you know, he he is good, common sense, fair, fair 1:20:25.240 --> 1:20:28.360 in terms of bond setting, you know, but but recognizes 1:20:28.400 --> 1:20:30.280 and and it's been on the bench with that experience, 1:20:30.439 --> 1:20:32.960 you know. You know, interesting if you think about municipal 1:20:33.040 --> 1:20:34.800 court and you know, I did common pleas did the 1:20:34.840 --> 1:20:38.400 felony cases. Municipal courts we have the traffic offenses and 1:20:38.479 --> 1:20:41.240 the municipal and the misdemeanor offenses, you know, but what 1:20:41.400 --> 1:20:45.080 is the gateway to felony offenses are misdemeanors, Right, People 1:20:45.120 --> 1:20:48.320 start off and then they build out. And the good 1:20:48.800 --> 1:20:53.800 what makes a really good municipal court judge is having 1:20:53.840 --> 1:20:55.639 the defendant there in front of you. They just got 1:20:55.640 --> 1:20:58.680 convicted of something, and they have to assess is this 1:20:58.760 --> 1:21:00.639 a one time deal that I'm never going to see 1:21:00.640 --> 1:21:03.880 this person again, or is this the gateway that they're 1:21:03.920 --> 1:21:06.760 going to be a perpetual visitor. And that's where the 1:21:06.840 --> 1:21:09.360 judges of municipal court are so important and needing to 1:21:09.400 --> 1:21:12.840 have that experience to be able to if you will 1:21:12.960 --> 1:21:14.920 separate the week from the chaff. This is a one 1:21:14.960 --> 1:21:16.920 time fine. We'll take care of him and then for 1:21:16.960 --> 1:21:19.400 see him again versus I need to stop this person 1:21:19.400 --> 1:21:23.519 before it gets even more serious. And Judge Burke Woods 1:21:23.600 --> 1:21:25.840 is good in that regard. It's good in terms of 1:21:25.840 --> 1:21:28.160 setting bonds as well. We talked about that earlier. You know, 1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:30.280 when do you set a high bond? When don't you 1:21:30.320 --> 1:21:31.280 set a high bond? Yeah? 1:21:31.320 --> 1:21:38.440 How come there's no common please court. Those are even years, 1:21:38.680 --> 1:21:41.439 even years on common common pleas. All right, So what 1:21:41.560 --> 1:21:43.880 then when the common police one's coming around, we'll have 1:21:43.880 --> 1:21:44.640 to do another one of these. 1:21:44.680 --> 1:21:46.439 Oh absolutely when that happens. And we got to get 1:21:46.479 --> 1:21:49.400 Betsy Sunderman in there. Yeah, she's in a district that's 1:21:49.439 --> 1:21:52.280 kind of Josh Burke Wish's district is kind of goes 1:21:52.400 --> 1:21:56.040 from and I'm going to miss them areas at Norwood 1:21:56.640 --> 1:21:59.680 and kind of neanders out into the eastern suburbs of 1:21:59.720 --> 1:22:03.519 and Township new Town and then I'm not sure exactly 1:22:03.560 --> 1:22:07.439 how it manders there. Betsy Sunderman's more in the northeast corner. 1:22:08.040 --> 1:22:12.960 Simms Township Sycamore Loveland area. So uh, those are the 1:22:13.120 --> 1:22:14.879 kind of the two areas that are the big contested 1:22:15.000 --> 1:22:17.240 races for municipal Court this year. 1:22:17.720 --> 1:22:21.840 Mike Peck and District six, Yeah, Central Saint Bernard area. 1:22:22.280 --> 1:22:22.800 Mike's been on. 1:22:22.880 --> 1:22:26.520 Mike was a prosecutor. He's actually one of the prosecutors, 1:22:26.520 --> 1:22:29.040 my room prosecutor. When I was on the bench, I 1:22:29.040 --> 1:22:32.000 got to know Mike very well. They're very good, very professional, 1:22:32.200 --> 1:22:34.519 does a good job on the bench. 1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:38.679 And then Gwen Bender District seven seven grand and former 1:22:38.720 --> 1:22:42.280 prosecutor as well. I got a point and then re elected, 1:22:42.400 --> 1:22:46.080 then elected to the bench, and that's her district. That 1:22:46.160 --> 1:22:48.040 is I think more than one of those west Side 1:22:48.280 --> 1:22:52.200 if I will safe Republican district. But you know, they all, 1:22:52.320 --> 1:22:54.600 all of the judges, all of them have that experience 1:22:55.400 --> 1:22:58.639 both in terms of private and practice, the private practice 1:22:58.800 --> 1:23:02.880 whereas prosecutors and on the bench that you really is critical, 1:23:03.680 --> 1:23:06.280 especially I think on the municipal court bench more even 1:23:06.280 --> 1:23:09.960 more so than the common Police bench. And then obviously 1:23:10.080 --> 1:23:16.479 for for mayor, it's it's time what what what the 1:23:16.560 --> 1:23:19.000 what does Aft tab Purval do if he's not if 1:23:19.000 --> 1:23:21.280 he's not in office or running for office. 1:23:22.360 --> 1:23:24.639 I will tell you this, if Aft tap pure Vote 1:23:24.640 --> 1:23:28.800 loses this election, he's got a law I think he's 1:23:28.800 --> 1:23:32.479 got he's got alaw degree from UC But I will 1:23:32.520 --> 1:23:36.519 tell you he will find another government job. That's what 1:23:36.640 --> 1:23:39.800 I find so amazing with people, either with people who 1:23:39.800 --> 1:23:42.640 are judges and lose the election or whatnot, you know, 1:23:43.080 --> 1:23:45.439 or you get appointed to something somewhere, some other job. 1:23:46.200 --> 1:23:48.800 You know, I look at you know, Tom Barredon who 1:23:49.240 --> 1:23:51.120 beat me and got on the Common Police bench for 1:23:51.120 --> 1:23:52.320 two years, lost that election. 1:23:52.360 --> 1:23:54.479 That's like more of a party function than anything else, 1:23:54.560 --> 1:23:57.639 isn't it to when when you if you get voted 1:23:57.640 --> 1:24:02.120 out of office, then you was all, they'll find a. 1:24:02.200 --> 1:24:06.320 Job for you. But you know, but or they're created. 1:24:06.320 --> 1:24:08.559 You know the Democrats, and the Democrats took over the 1:24:08.560 --> 1:24:13.280 Common Policeman, they start creating positions. I mean when I 1:24:13.360 --> 1:24:16.360 was there, we had we had one magistrate. Now they 1:24:16.400 --> 1:24:20.040 got like three or four magistrates and they still don't 1:24:20.040 --> 1:24:23.400 get stuff done. And it's like they just keep creating jobs. 1:24:23.400 --> 1:24:26.760 They created a job of a public information officer for 1:24:26.800 --> 1:24:29.519 the Common Police. Cort gave it to some Democrat party 1:24:29.560 --> 1:24:33.400 hack and could never figure out what she did. She 1:24:33.479 --> 1:24:36.920 got seventy eighty thousand dollars of a government job, create 1:24:36.960 --> 1:24:38.840 a job. Yeah, and then she ends up quitting and 1:24:38.880 --> 1:24:42.280 they never refill the position where she got fired or 1:24:42.320 --> 1:24:45.600 resigned or all the above. And it's like that's what 1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:48.920 they especially with the Democrats, that just create more jobs. 1:24:49.320 --> 1:24:51.840 And so if after word to lose this election, mark 1:24:51.920 --> 1:24:55.599 my words, he will get some government job somewhere. Now. 1:24:55.640 --> 1:24:58.120 There was rumors last year that he was looking for 1:24:58.160 --> 1:25:01.559 a position in the Biden administration, that he was going 1:25:01.640 --> 1:25:04.280 to leave town because he's not happy as mayor and 1:25:04.360 --> 1:25:07.200 go off to the Biden administration. Well, thankfully, thankfully that's 1:25:07.240 --> 1:25:10.920 not available for it. That took a job. The council 1:25:11.000 --> 1:25:14.040 member who was. 1:25:16.160 --> 1:25:18.000 And then and and then it was and it was 1:25:18.040 --> 1:25:19.559 it was like a month before the election. 1:25:19.680 --> 1:25:21.920 It was like summer, it was in the summer or something. Yeah, 1:25:21.960 --> 1:25:22.200 it was. 1:25:22.320 --> 1:25:25.000 And then and then the election was over, Biden got 1:25:25.080 --> 1:25:26.800 voted out and that was the end of that job. 1:25:27.000 --> 1:25:29.120 Yes, I remember, I remember who he was. 1:25:29.280 --> 1:25:32.280 Who was I can't remember who that was, but I 1:25:32.920 --> 1:25:35.080 remember at the time thinking that was, why the heck 1:25:35.240 --> 1:25:37.480 why he probably not the greatest. 1:25:37.160 --> 1:25:42.800 Reggie Harris Cincinnati Council. Remember Reggie Harris resigns and takes 1:25:42.800 --> 1:25:45.840 a job in the Biden administration. This was in let 1:25:45.880 --> 1:25:48.120 me see, this is an article from September of twenty 1:25:48.160 --> 1:25:52.839 twenty four. So he took a job in the Department 1:25:52.880 --> 1:25:56.639 of Housing and Urban Development. Yeah, for two months, three months, 1:25:58.280 --> 1:26:00.280 you know, I mean it. He called a I used 1:26:00.280 --> 1:26:01.960 to call Reggie up and say, so, how was that? 1:26:02.200 --> 1:26:05.840 It's on the resume. Now it takes you two to 1:26:05.920 --> 1:26:09.920 three months to figure out where the bathrooms are? Right, Okay, 1:26:09.920 --> 1:26:12.040 you figured out where at the Hut office where the 1:26:12.040 --> 1:26:16.600 bathrooms are. Now, what are you gonna do? So, I 1:26:16.640 --> 1:26:19.160 mean maybe they were so confident they were gonna win. 1:26:19.240 --> 1:26:22.360 I don't know, you know, never have you seen those 1:26:22.360 --> 1:26:23.439 office buildings in d C. 1:26:24.200 --> 1:26:27.679 Yes, I mean the outside is some of the ugliest 1:26:27.680 --> 1:26:31.000 buildings in the world. Some of those different you know, 1:26:31.080 --> 1:26:34.280 the Department's Department of Labor and you know, Housing and 1:26:34.600 --> 1:26:38.320 Urban Development and you know whatever other departments are there. 1:26:38.760 --> 1:26:42.240 So some of them are Yeah, the modern sides are amazing. Yeah, well, 1:26:42.280 --> 1:26:45.640 you know, the outside look like amazing. When it was 1:26:45.680 --> 1:26:47.960 I was up in I think it was February of 1:26:48.120 --> 1:26:51.040 last year. I was up there and went to conference 1:26:51.120 --> 1:26:54.639 and I was across the river over in Crystal City, 1:26:54.880 --> 1:26:58.600 which had all these office buildings, and it was amazing 1:26:58.640 --> 1:27:01.559 to me most of them were empty. 1:27:02.040 --> 1:27:06.120 Sure, I mean that's the thing, you know, that, and 1:27:06.160 --> 1:27:08.639 that it was kind of a legacy of work from home, 1:27:09.680 --> 1:27:11.920 you know. After with COVID, everything worked from home and 1:27:12.200 --> 1:27:15.680 until Trump came in. When Trump came in, he finally said, hey, 1:27:15.680 --> 1:27:18.479 you're coming back into work. I remember people were having 1:27:18.479 --> 1:27:21.000 conniptions about that. Yeah, oh I got to go back 1:27:21.000 --> 1:27:24.720 into the office. Oh no. And it was amazing. I mean, 1:27:24.760 --> 1:27:26.760 I remember I'd been in Crystal City before and then 1:27:26.800 --> 1:27:29.400 like during the day it was busy and this, and 1:27:29.439 --> 1:27:31.840 I was there during the work day and busy. It's 1:27:31.880 --> 1:27:34.759 not busy anymore. It's like nobody's here. It was almost 1:27:34.760 --> 1:27:35.760 a remember. 1:27:35.439 --> 1:27:38.320 Reading stories about, you know, employees of the federal government 1:27:38.880 --> 1:27:42.720 who worked in d C but but were able to 1:27:42.720 --> 1:27:45.200 work from home. They you know, they bought property in 1:27:45.280 --> 1:27:48.000 Utah or something, and they're doing their job in Utah. 1:27:48.120 --> 1:27:49.680 Now they got to go back into the elbe I 1:27:49.680 --> 1:27:50.840 can't travel from Utah. 1:27:52.040 --> 1:27:54.200 Or you had people having two or three full time 1:27:54.280 --> 1:27:59.599 jobs working remotely. They're working somewhere else. Full time jobs 1:28:00.960 --> 1:28:03.040 and it's like, oh my gosh. And you know, now 1:28:03.360 --> 1:28:06.400 with the government shut down, with the federal government, you know, 1:28:06.439 --> 1:28:11.360 there's actually the Office of Management Budget is looking to 1:28:11.439 --> 1:28:15.080 basically furlough a lot of employees, saying you're not essential, 1:28:15.640 --> 1:28:18.960 we don't need you anymore, your positions eliminated. And some 1:28:19.080 --> 1:28:21.760 federal judge somewhere and said, no, you're not allowed to 1:28:21.800 --> 1:28:25.360 do that. Let me microman me as a federal judge, 1:28:25.560 --> 1:28:31.080 micromanage the executive branch of government. Some of these federal 1:28:31.160 --> 1:28:33.400 judges think they're just in charge of everything. Oh yeah. 1:28:33.400 --> 1:28:36.240 The worst one was up in Chicago recently. You know, 1:28:36.240 --> 1:28:38.960 there's been a lot of ICE protest against in all 1:28:39.040 --> 1:28:42.200 this and conflict and people attacking ICE officers, and so 1:28:42.280 --> 1:28:45.040 of course the liberals sue the ICE and saying, oh, 1:28:45.080 --> 1:28:47.040 you've got to let us do this. You can't. And 1:28:47.080 --> 1:28:51.000 this federal judge and Abiden appointee basically said to the 1:28:51.040 --> 1:28:54.640 director there in Chicago, not the national director, but you 1:28:54.760 --> 1:28:57.680 have to wear a body camera wherever you go. Oh, 1:28:57.720 --> 1:28:59.400 you got to do this, and you got to come 1:28:59.400 --> 1:29:01.639 in and meet with me every day at four point 1:29:01.640 --> 1:29:07.479 thirty and report what's happened that day. Every day this 1:29:07.520 --> 1:29:11.080 is a federal junds reasonable. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm 1:29:11.120 --> 1:29:13.760 sorry if somebody thinks, as a judge, you should be 1:29:13.800 --> 1:29:16.240 able to micromanage it that way you said, they say, 1:29:16.240 --> 1:29:18.640 here's the standards. I expect you to do it, and 1:29:18.680 --> 1:29:21.679 that's it, and it's self enforcing. If it's not being enforced, 1:29:21.920 --> 1:29:24.640 but to come in and report every day to the 1:29:24.640 --> 1:29:28.040 Principal's office if you will. I'm sorry. And you know, 1:29:28.280 --> 1:29:30.439 people talk about having respect for the rule of Bob 1:29:30.439 --> 1:29:32.280 forgot judiciary. We got to get to break. 1:29:32.360 --> 1:29:34.840 Decisions like that undermine respect for the rule of that 1:29:35.040 --> 1:29:37.360 eleven six, seven hundred WLW. 1:29:37.840 --> 1:29:39.720 There's no need to be scared of the stains in 1:29:39.760 --> 1:29:49.800 your carpet when you call zeros. 1:29:45.320 --> 1:29:46.840 Seven hundred WLW. 1:29:46.920 --> 1:29:51.960 It's the Thursday night edition of The Midway Crisis. Dan Carrol, 1:29:52.040 --> 1:29:53.880 Kurt Hartman and I can't believe we're on the final 1:29:53.880 --> 1:29:56.800 segment already home stretch. So just let me let me 1:29:57.520 --> 1:30:00.040 start wrapping this up by standards and if you I 1:30:00.040 --> 1:30:03.160 want to get on board five one, three seven, the 1:30:03.200 --> 1:30:06.160 big one, if you want, forget everything else that we 1:30:06.200 --> 1:30:10.320 talked about tonight. You mentioned the curfew in passing earlier 1:30:10.760 --> 1:30:14.000 and if if you want one reason not to vote 1:30:14.000 --> 1:30:18.080 for any member of city council this year, think about this. 1:30:18.080 --> 1:30:22.000 This is the curfew that was passed. What's the date 1:30:22.080 --> 1:30:26.280 on this August sixth? Okay, so this date was signed 1:30:26.280 --> 1:30:28.920 by f Ted Purvle. I was down in Florida when 1:30:28.960 --> 1:30:31.439 when this thing got passed and I and I had 1:30:31.439 --> 1:30:33.360 my you know, it popped up on my ex feet. 1:30:33.400 --> 1:30:35.719 I'm like, oh wow, the city council actually did something 1:30:35.760 --> 1:30:38.280 past the curfew, and they're getting serious about this. Got 1:30:38.280 --> 1:30:41.160 to keep kids, you know, off of the because you 1:30:41.200 --> 1:30:44.560 know the juveniles going crazy down there. Okay, So the 1:30:45.000 --> 1:30:48.920 curfew eighteen years of age. Then you got to be 1:30:48.960 --> 1:30:52.400 off the streets by eleven o'clock at night. Okay, and 1:30:52.439 --> 1:30:54.320 then you read a little bit further. I've got the 1:30:54.400 --> 1:30:58.680 ordinance right here in front of me. Okay. If and 1:30:58.720 --> 1:31:02.840 there's there's there's just a few exceptions. If you get 1:31:02.880 --> 1:31:05.720 busted by police and you're on the streets underage at night, 1:31:05.880 --> 1:31:09.519 a few they can't touch if you're accompanied by said 1:31:09.560 --> 1:31:14.479 miner's parent, guardian or other adult. Okay, So you can 1:31:14.520 --> 1:31:17.920 be under the age of eighteen and and the cops say, hey, 1:31:18.080 --> 1:31:19.800 you're in violation of the curfew. And then the kid 1:31:19.800 --> 1:31:23.280 can say, nope, nope, I'm in the company of Well, 1:31:23.320 --> 1:31:26.120 it's not my parent, it's not my guardian, but it's 1:31:26.160 --> 1:31:27.560 an adult. 1:31:27.320 --> 1:31:30.120 My adult gang banger friend with me. Yeah, twenty one 1:31:30.160 --> 1:31:31.160 years old. Check his ID. 1:31:31.840 --> 1:31:35.200 Okay, I'm sorry, you're good to go if you're what's 1:31:35.240 --> 1:31:36.519 an emancipated. 1:31:36.840 --> 1:31:40.640 A teenager emancipated is that they have been declared emancipated 1:31:40.680 --> 1:31:44.160 from their parents. Yeah, so they are an independent and 1:31:44.200 --> 1:31:45.040 have all Yeah. 1:31:45.120 --> 1:31:47.920 So if you're emancipated, you're not subject to the curfew 1:31:48.360 --> 1:31:52.360 if you're exercising your First Amendment right, which. 1:31:52.120 --> 1:31:55.479 Includes the right of association. So I can associate with 1:31:55.520 --> 1:31:58.000 my gangbanger friends and hey, I'm associated with my bus, 1:31:58.280 --> 1:32:00.760 I'm with my homeboy over here, and hey, we're all 1:32:00.800 --> 1:32:02.080 good if we're associating. 1:32:02.160 --> 1:32:05.720 If you're on your way to or from work, they 1:32:05.800 --> 1:32:09.080 can't bust you for the curfew. If you're attending a 1:32:09.240 --> 1:32:14.920 school or church at eleven o'clock at night, then they 1:32:14.920 --> 1:32:16.200 can't bust you for the curfew. 1:32:16.880 --> 1:32:21.840 Matthew, eleven o'clock Mass, if you're well, that's eleven am Mass, 1:32:21.880 --> 1:32:24.360 not the eleven PM Mass. 1:32:24.960 --> 1:32:26.920 But I mean, I mean, this is if you're running 1:32:26.920 --> 1:32:29.639 an errand they can't bust you for the curfew. 1:32:30.479 --> 1:32:33.400 I'm running an errand to go buy drugs. Is that account? 1:32:33.760 --> 1:32:37.080 If you're involved in interstate travel through or beginning or 1:32:37.160 --> 1:32:40.679 terminating in the city, they can't bust you for the curfew. 1:32:40.800 --> 1:32:42.679 So you can say, hey, I'm I'm on my way 1:32:42.680 --> 1:32:46.040 to Atlanta. You can't bust me for the curfew. I'm 1:32:46.080 --> 1:32:48.320 on my way to Detroit with a car full of drugs. 1:32:48.360 --> 1:32:51.559 I'm going to force seventy one to go to Kentucky. Right, 1:32:51.600 --> 1:32:56.599 I'm driving into Kentucky. That's interstate travel. This is what 1:32:56.880 --> 1:33:01.200 This is an absolute joke, and we never aways. All 1:33:01.320 --> 1:33:05.719 nine members and the mayor sign this. All nine members. 1:33:05.800 --> 1:33:08.400 This was passed unanimously. Do you think there was any 1:33:08.439 --> 1:33:11.439 debate on it, anybody asked any question? I doubt it. 1:33:12.680 --> 1:33:14.799 But I know if I'm in city council, I'm raising 1:33:14.840 --> 1:33:18.760 hell about this, and one let's thinking, what are we doing? 1:33:19.360 --> 1:33:22.439 What kind of This is not a curfew. This is 1:33:22.479 --> 1:33:26.559 not going to do anything to keep kids off the street, 1:33:26.640 --> 1:33:29.120 juveniles who are raising hell at the banks. 1:33:29.800 --> 1:33:31.320 Does it get does it get put a quiver in 1:33:31.360 --> 1:33:34.400 the police to really control. No, it doesn't. No, this 1:33:34.520 --> 1:33:35.000 is nothing. 1:33:36.200 --> 1:33:39.320 And any kid who knows how to read can read 1:33:39.360 --> 1:33:41.439 this and say, you know what, Hey, I'm exercising my 1:33:41.479 --> 1:33:45.280 first Amendment. Right, you can't touch me, and then you're 1:33:45.320 --> 1:33:47.400 you are free to go and do whatever the hell 1:33:47.479 --> 1:33:50.799 you want. Right, So that right there is a reason 1:33:50.840 --> 1:33:54.600 not to vote. So so you combine that with the 1:33:54.600 --> 1:33:57.759 city manager saying we're gonna put you know, the curfew 1:33:57.800 --> 1:34:01.479 one on the food trucks is you know you're not 1:34:01.520 --> 1:34:03.200 you're not packed up and getting out of there by 1:34:03.200 --> 1:34:05.439 eleven o'clock. Boom, you got a big fine coming your way. 1:34:05.479 --> 1:34:11.599 But if you're a juvenile company by an adult, you're 1:34:11.640 --> 1:34:13.760 free to stay. You driving the food truck over there, 1:34:13.760 --> 1:34:15.080 Come on, Vamus. 1:34:15.080 --> 1:34:18.120 Time to go. I'm just I'm trying to combine the two. 1:34:18.160 --> 1:34:21.360 If I working, what if I'm a juvenile working at 1:34:21.400 --> 1:34:27.479 the food truck, I mean, I don't yeah, I'm closing 1:34:27.520 --> 1:34:30.680 it up at night. I don't know. It's just, you know, 1:34:30.920 --> 1:34:33.680 it's gimmick greed that that's what we've had for the 1:34:33.680 --> 1:34:36.800 past four years from this mayor, for the past two years, 1:34:36.840 --> 1:34:40.120 from this city council. It's just gimmicks, feel good gimmicks. 1:34:40.400 --> 1:34:41.960 There you go. I mean it was made. I remember, 1:34:42.000 --> 1:34:45.240 you know, do not vote for one current member of 1:34:45.280 --> 1:34:47.360 this city. Well, well here here I still remember. This 1:34:47.439 --> 1:34:49.920 is the mayor. He was trying the part of his 1:34:50.040 --> 1:34:53.360 little Twitter campaign, you know, all the feel good stuff. 1:34:53.600 --> 1:34:56.439 He was going to do little clippets of videos from 1:34:56.479 --> 1:34:59.479 the fifty two communities. Wow, it's okay to talk about 1:34:59.600 --> 1:35:02.599 Hyde part. Well, it was funny. This is that talk 1:35:02.640 --> 1:35:06.559 about unconnected to Cincinnati? Right, I talked about John Crowley, 1:35:07.160 --> 1:35:09.920 the mayor. So he started talking. There was one I saw. 1:35:09.960 --> 1:35:12.840 I still remember. It was about Oakley, Oakley, this and 1:35:12.880 --> 1:35:18.120 that and Oakley home of Agla Mesi Bros. That's what 1:35:18.200 --> 1:35:21.960 he said, you and I know it's take La Mesi Brothers. 1:35:21.960 --> 1:35:27.559 But the script he had just had b r Os period, right, 1:35:27.960 --> 1:35:31.479 and the mayor is so disconnected from the city of 1:35:31.520 --> 1:35:36.879 Cincinnati and its history. He just read to me, bros. Honestly, 1:35:36.920 --> 1:35:40.200 I almost laughed my head off when he said that. 1:35:40.840 --> 1:35:43.799 And it's like he has no clue about this city. 1:35:45.080 --> 1:35:48.400 If you use the word Aggle mec bros. And not 1:35:48.560 --> 1:35:55.479 knowing it's take La mecI Brothers. That that epitomized him. 1:35:55.720 --> 1:35:58.080 So I forget that I feared. I wish I could 1:35:58.080 --> 1:36:00.280 find that thing. I'll find it somewhere. But it was 1:36:00.400 --> 1:36:04.320 just so do you even get it? He doesn't get it. 1:36:04.560 --> 1:36:08.360 And people's city of Cincinnati. Yeah, I don't live in 1:36:08.360 --> 1:36:10.599 the city myself, but you know what, the city is 1:36:10.640 --> 1:36:13.920 the core for the area, for the Tri state area, 1:36:13.960 --> 1:36:15.960 and as the city goes, so goes. 1:36:16.040 --> 1:36:18.080 But we don't live in this city, but we want 1:36:18.080 --> 1:36:20.200 the city to thrive. We want the city to be great, 1:36:20.240 --> 1:36:23.759 and it benefits everybody, Sure it does. And when it doesn't, 1:36:24.040 --> 1:36:28.680 drive to hurt everybody. Instead of finding a reason not 1:36:29.600 --> 1:36:31.840 to come into downtown Cincinnati, I don't want to find 1:36:31.840 --> 1:36:34.640 a reason to come into downtown Cincinnati. 1:36:34.680 --> 1:36:34.920 You know what. 1:36:35.479 --> 1:36:38.519 It's so easy now that hey, there's a it's something 1:36:38.520 --> 1:36:41.879 that someone there's there's an event going on in downtown Cincinnati. 1:36:42.000 --> 1:36:45.240 Got Octoberfest, he got the Reds game, Bengals game, whatever, 1:36:45.280 --> 1:36:49.559 whatever's going on downtown. And I and I find reasons 1:36:49.640 --> 1:36:51.960 not to go. And I think there's a lot of 1:36:52.000 --> 1:36:55.120 people in the suburbs who are just like me that, 1:36:55.880 --> 1:36:58.519 you know what, it's just easier. Everything I need is 1:36:58.560 --> 1:37:00.479 out here. Anything. 1:37:00.800 --> 1:37:02.760 I grew up in the suburbs Cincinnati right in the 1:37:02.800 --> 1:37:06.720 seventies early eighties, and that was a time and I 1:37:06.720 --> 1:37:11.320 got downtown rarely, right, maybe a ball game sometimes, I know, 1:37:12.320 --> 1:37:14.040 a big deal. Yeah, And you know I used to 1:37:14.040 --> 1:37:16.200 collect stamps. I always came down to the post office, 1:37:16.200 --> 1:37:18.800 Alice little stamp place down there. I take the bus down. 1:37:18.800 --> 1:37:20.600 That was about the only time I came downtown. But 1:37:20.680 --> 1:37:23.200 I remember growing up in the seventies and early eighties 1:37:23.800 --> 1:37:27.040 over the Rhine. The reputation of Over the Rhine was 1:37:27.479 --> 1:37:30.760 you don't go to Over the Run. Even during the day. 1:37:30.800 --> 1:37:33.599 You did not go to Over the Rhine, forget at night. Right, 1:37:33.680 --> 1:37:35.439 And when I was driving, it's like, oh, what happens 1:37:35.479 --> 1:37:38.000 if I could accidentally make a wrong turn on one 1:37:38.000 --> 1:37:40.600 of these one way one way roads in Cincinnati and 1:37:40.800 --> 1:37:43.320 end up in Over the Run. That was the reputation 1:37:43.400 --> 1:37:48.120 of over the Rhine. And I say this legitimately. It's 1:37:48.120 --> 1:37:50.680 starting to get that reputation. Even the business district is 1:37:50.680 --> 1:37:52.599 starting to get that reputation. You don't want to come 1:37:52.640 --> 1:37:55.920 down this area anymore. It's not as bad, but it's 1:37:55.960 --> 1:37:58.240 going in that direction, and it's got to be stopped 1:37:58.240 --> 1:38:00.840 and it's got to be shot, stop and changed with 1:38:01.000 --> 1:38:03.240 good leadership that we don't have. 1:38:03.439 --> 1:38:05.880 Well, look at what what Jeff Ruby's daughter did. Look 1:38:05.920 --> 1:38:09.080 what the restaurant owners down there did. They had they 1:38:09.120 --> 1:38:12.479 had to form their own little coalition and send a 1:38:12.560 --> 1:38:14.840 letter to the mayor to say and say, look, we're 1:38:14.880 --> 1:38:18.840 out here, we're we're living this every day. This is 1:38:19.200 --> 1:38:22.040 this is not a perception. This is reality. And this 1:38:22.120 --> 1:38:25.439 is our reality. And our reality is is that we're 1:38:25.479 --> 1:38:27.360 not going to be in business much longer. If things 1:38:27.439 --> 1:38:29.880 keep going the way they're going. You have to do something. 1:38:30.479 --> 1:38:31.880 But what do we get from the may What do 1:38:31.920 --> 1:38:33.920 we get from the mayor? It was in August he 1:38:33.960 --> 1:38:37.160 does a little walking down the sidewalk with a police 1:38:37.439 --> 1:38:40.440 officer right next to Remember that video. I remember that. 1:38:40.439 --> 1:38:46.160 That's it. That's it. It's so disconnected from reality and 1:38:46.160 --> 1:38:49.439 and and it's like, you know, he doesn't it. And 1:38:49.479 --> 1:38:52.559 again it goes back to not listening to people, not 1:38:52.640 --> 1:38:55.040 listening to people, what's happening on the street, where you know, 1:38:55.120 --> 1:38:57.639 rubber meets the road, the boots on the ground. It's 1:38:57.680 --> 1:39:01.519 this arrogance of I am a art person, I know 1:39:01.600 --> 1:39:04.240 what's best. This is really where we need to go 1:39:05.960 --> 1:39:08.280 and as opposed to say, maybe something's not working here. 1:39:08.320 --> 1:39:11.280 And I hope the people the city of Cincinnati see that. 1:39:11.400 --> 1:39:14.479 And it's like I wanted to thrive to like you do. 1:39:14.640 --> 1:39:17.080 Like most people here, we wanted to thrive. We want 1:39:17.120 --> 1:39:21.719 to be thrive and be safe. And it's not going 1:39:21.760 --> 1:39:22.360 in that direction. 1:39:22.880 --> 1:39:25.799 And at least Bill cunning you know, when when Charlie 1:39:25.880 --> 1:39:28.680 Lucan was married, Charlie Lucan would come on talk with 1:39:28.760 --> 1:39:33.360 Bill Cunningham, John Cranley would come on, and they didn't 1:39:33.360 --> 1:39:35.960 see eye to eye on every issue, but you know what, 1:39:36.000 --> 1:39:38.080 they would talk about what's happening with the city, what's 1:39:38.120 --> 1:39:40.280 going on, what they're going to do about things to 1:39:40.360 --> 1:39:42.120 you know, have a couple of laughs by the end 1:39:42.160 --> 1:39:44.800 of the by the end of the interview, and and 1:39:44.800 --> 1:39:48.439 and it didn't it didn't necessarily mean they were getting 1:39:48.439 --> 1:39:50.160 on the same page with each other, but they were 1:39:50.160 --> 1:39:51.040 talking about what. 1:39:51.000 --> 1:39:51.519 Was going on. 1:39:51.960 --> 1:39:53.920 Charlie, how many times as I have to have Purval 1:39:53.960 --> 1:39:56.880 been on the on this radio station, submitted himself to 1:39:57.600 --> 1:40:00.680 all by me or Scott Sloan or Bill Cunningham or 1:40:01.040 --> 1:40:01.719 Eddie and Rocky. 1:40:02.200 --> 1:40:05.120 But here here's the difference. Charlie Lucan as mayor. John 1:40:05.200 --> 1:40:08.840 Cranley as mayor had substantive things they were proposing and 1:40:08.920 --> 1:40:13.160 trying to move. Yes, this mayor and four years in office, 1:40:13.360 --> 1:40:16.920 I don't know what substantive thing to truly improve the 1:40:16.960 --> 1:40:21.360 city he has offered anything proposal. We know the city 1:40:21.360 --> 1:40:23.280 council would rubber stamp whatever you poke. 1:40:23.400 --> 1:40:25.519 Oh well, you know, I mean he's been a bunch 1:40:25.520 --> 1:40:29.160 of ribbon cutting ceremonies. He got little it's this project 1:40:29.200 --> 1:40:32.680 over here, and you got the the convention Center is 1:40:32.720 --> 1:40:35.240 going on and he's going to try and take credit 1:40:35.280 --> 1:40:35.519 for that. 1:40:36.160 --> 1:40:40.320 Exactly River incoming feel good stuff, but nothing of substance. 1:40:40.840 --> 1:40:43.679 For four years, we've had nothing of substance. John Cranley 1:40:43.720 --> 1:40:49.599 as mayor had substance. Charlie Lucan had substance. This guy 1:40:49.680 --> 1:40:52.040 has none of it. I mean, you know, we get 1:40:52.120 --> 1:40:54.519 national and that we made national news with him twice, 1:40:54.680 --> 1:40:57.680 one with the recent brawl of downtown and second of 1:40:57.680 --> 1:40:58.759 all when he became mayor. 1:40:58.800 --> 1:41:06.080 JABBRONI mag remember that, you know it was I remember, 1:41:06.120 --> 1:41:09.760 I remember when he was talking smack and that was 1:41:10.400 --> 1:41:13.679 before the Bengals went to Kansas City. 1:41:13.720 --> 1:41:16.439 Exactly exactly that was it, And I think it was. 1:41:16.520 --> 1:41:21.800 Travis Kelch calls him out, you know I didn't. That's 1:41:22.720 --> 1:41:26.360 keep your mouth shut, is what he said. Yeah, I 1:41:26.400 --> 1:41:30.040 mean that, that's it he talks. That's how he talks back, 1:41:30.080 --> 1:41:32.360 because again, that was a tweet, that was a little 1:41:33.520 --> 1:41:34.360 video whatever. 1:41:35.240 --> 1:41:39.200 And and all I know is that if that beatdown 1:41:39.240 --> 1:41:41.960 would have happened when John Cranley was in office, he 1:41:42.000 --> 1:41:44.559 would have been front and center. He would have been 1:41:44.560 --> 1:41:49.080 front and center at every news conference, every every meeting. 1:41:49.880 --> 1:41:52.839 Not turning a news conference over over into race baterers 1:41:52.880 --> 1:41:55.280 saying we we only see black people. We want white 1:41:55.320 --> 1:41:59.720 people indicted in charge, John Cranley. John Cranley would have 1:41:59.760 --> 1:42:03.600 worked with the governor to accept substantive help from the 1:42:03.600 --> 1:42:07.000 state of Ohio to put to stop this crap that's 1:42:07.040 --> 1:42:09.920 going on, as opposed to brushing off the governor. 1:42:11.040 --> 1:42:15.519 How disappointing was that when when these city council members 1:42:15.520 --> 1:42:18.360 got behind this, Hey we need to see someone, someone white, 1:42:19.760 --> 1:42:20.720 get some charges on that. 1:42:20.840 --> 1:42:23.120 Yeah, now that. 1:42:24.680 --> 1:42:27.000 I almost forgot about that until you just brought that up. 1:42:27.920 --> 1:42:30.920 What a what an absolute low light that was. Yeah, 1:42:31.240 --> 1:42:32.200 it was pandering. 1:42:33.120 --> 1:42:38.519 It's not leadership, it is pandering. You know the governor 1:42:38.640 --> 1:42:41.599 was willing to give significant support to get a control 1:42:41.640 --> 1:42:45.959 of the situation, and heaven forbid, the mayor says, no. 1:42:46.160 --> 1:42:50.160 We'll take a few os P two days a month, 1:42:50.160 --> 1:42:51.600 and now they've got it up to four days a 1:42:51.600 --> 1:42:52.800 month for traffic cars? 1:42:52.800 --> 1:42:55.320 Are you kidding me? But you know part of the part. 1:42:55.439 --> 1:42:57.439 I don't think the bad guys know that. You know, 1:42:57.840 --> 1:42:59.560 and you know, and you know what what do the 1:42:59.600 --> 1:43:02.040 rank and file up police officers thing? Those who are 1:43:02.080 --> 1:43:03.080 walking the beat? 1:43:03.520 --> 1:43:05.439 The ones I talked to said they'd be happy to 1:43:05.479 --> 1:43:09.320 have force my force multultiplier exactly. 1:43:09.640 --> 1:43:12.560 But think about the recruitment classes too, you know, I 1:43:12.800 --> 1:43:15.479 think they're trying to diminish the size of the police 1:43:15.760 --> 1:43:19.160 department by or like getting more people to retire and 1:43:19.240 --> 1:43:23.360 not feeding enough into the system. You know, I would 1:43:23.360 --> 1:43:25.080 love to talk to some of the recruits. People who 1:43:25.120 --> 1:43:29.200 signed up. Why why did you were you hesitant? What 1:43:29.240 --> 1:43:31.519 made what made you decide? People who thought about it 1:43:31.520 --> 1:43:33.240 and said no, I'm not signing up with the City 1:43:33.240 --> 1:43:36.519 of Cincinnati. How many people have we lost? Your good 1:43:36.800 --> 1:43:39.080 you know, men and women who would be fine police 1:43:39.080 --> 1:43:43.040 officers saying I don't want to go there. I'll look 1:43:43.040 --> 1:43:45.240 at jobs elsewhere. No, Yeah, they might want to be 1:43:45.280 --> 1:43:47.759 a law enforcement officer, but not with the city of Cincinnati. 1:43:48.080 --> 1:43:50.439 The people who are in the police academy these days 1:43:50.479 --> 1:43:53.519 are are the ones who are pretty hardcore, the ones 1:43:53.560 --> 1:43:58.000 who really feel that that internal calling. I really want 1:43:58.040 --> 1:44:02.519 to be part of a police force that is going 1:44:02.600 --> 1:44:05.680 to do good for the people that they're going to. 1:44:05.840 --> 1:44:08.479 I would guess I don't have a basis. So people 1:44:08.479 --> 1:44:13.080 who really love the city, Yeah, but the numbers aren't there. 1:44:13.320 --> 1:44:16.400 I don't think that I would be curious how the 1:44:16.520 --> 1:44:19.400 numbers keep diminishing and I don't have the pres There's 1:44:19.400 --> 1:44:21.599 not enough incentive there for someone who might be on 1:44:21.640 --> 1:44:23.360 the fence and say, you know what, let me go, 1:44:23.600 --> 1:44:25.880 let me check this out and see if this is 1:44:25.920 --> 1:44:26.600 going to work for me. 1:44:26.680 --> 1:44:28.360 If they're on the fence, they're they're not going to 1:44:28.439 --> 1:44:31.160 make that step to go and then spend a couple 1:44:31.240 --> 1:44:32.640 of weeks in the accounty and say, you know what, 1:44:32.680 --> 1:44:36.000 this is the right thing for me, because they're making 1:44:36.000 --> 1:44:38.719 that decision before they even check it out. 1:44:38.840 --> 1:44:40.880 And part of it is, you know, the cops who 1:44:40.880 --> 1:44:43.120 are there now and those who are looking to get it. 1:44:43.240 --> 1:44:45.400 You also want to know that the political leadership has 1:44:45.439 --> 1:44:48.960 your back, and I don't think that this administration and 1:44:49.000 --> 1:44:51.960 with the attitude towards law enforcement that. 1:44:52.439 --> 1:44:54.479 Well, at that point is exactly a point I talked 1:44:54.479 --> 1:44:57.439 to Ken Kobra about when this whole thing with the 1:44:57.439 --> 1:45:00.479 police chief started breaking and I and I said, we've 1:45:00.680 --> 1:45:03.200 we've heard the city manager say it, We've heard the 1:45:03.320 --> 1:45:07.000 mayor say it that they have the back of our 1:45:07.040 --> 1:45:10.960 police department. But in reality, they know that. 1:45:10.920 --> 1:45:13.960 It's not They know it's not there. You know, it's 1:45:14.040 --> 1:45:16.519 lack of leadership. I mean, what they do is they 1:45:16.600 --> 1:45:21.360 let Iris Rollie run roughshod over the police and then 1:45:21.360 --> 1:45:23.720 pay her how much, you know, enter into be you know, 1:45:23.880 --> 1:45:26.200 tens of thousands of dollars so that she gets she 1:45:26.200 --> 1:45:26.880 gives money to her. 1:45:27.760 --> 1:45:29.519 But we can spend a whole show talking about the 1:45:29.520 --> 1:45:31.840 way that the chimney she's carved out a nice kig 1:45:31.880 --> 1:45:34.800 for herself. You know, you want, they're gonna pay her 1:45:34.800 --> 1:45:38.040 four hundred grand over three or four years, and she 1:45:38.080 --> 1:45:41.160 can spend money however she wants and hire whoever she 1:45:41.200 --> 1:45:41.639 wants and. 1:45:41.600 --> 1:45:43.559 Go about harassing the police as they try to do 1:45:43.600 --> 1:45:45.080 their job for the community. 1:45:45.479 --> 1:45:47.400 All Right, we got a five seconds left, Kurt, we 1:45:47.439 --> 1:45:49.639 got to go. Thanks for hanging out. Election on Tuesday. 1:45:49.720 --> 1:45:51.479 Get out there and vote it out and vote. Very 1:45:51.520 --> 1:45:54.920 important and hopefully a week from now we're talking about 1:45:54.920 --> 1:45:57.479 a new mayor for the city of Cincinnati. But thanks 1:45:57.520 --> 1:45:59.600 for being here. We got to run. 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