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Speaker 2: for your.
Speaker 1: Phone calls tonight because we are talking Election night all
Speaker 1: night long. And I am joined in studio tonight by
Speaker 1: the one and only Kurt Hartman. Judge, how you doing, Dan?
Speaker 1: Always great to be a minister. You texted me the
Speaker 1: day before yesterday and you said, uh, hey, man, you
Speaker 1: need to do a show. And I was planning on
Speaker 1: doing a show talking about the election, and you said,
Speaker 1: you need to do a show, well, you know, talking
Speaker 1: about the election. Take some phone calls. And I looked
Speaker 1: at the calendar and I and I did not realize
Speaker 1: it at the time, but I thought, man, this is
Speaker 1: the last night I'm going to be on the air
Speaker 1: before before election night. That's done a week away before election.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's really sneaking up on me this year.
Speaker 2: It's perfect. Yah, you're right, it's early.
Speaker 1: It's early in November, the first Tuesday after the first Monday.
Speaker 1: That decision was made long ago to have election day
Speaker 1: or election night on that day, the first Tuesday after
Speaker 1: the first.
Speaker 2: Monday in November. Why was that.
Speaker 1: Do you recall why that decision was made for that
Speaker 1: particular day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I do not, but it's been it's historical,
Speaker 2: it's almost since time immemorial, right, it's always been that day.
Speaker 2: You know. I think Constitution talks about the federal election
Speaker 2: there in the election the president and then the elect
Speaker 2: War College meets in December, and the president takes office
Speaker 2: originally in March, now in January. And I think it
Speaker 2: was just driven by that, by kind of the site show.
Speaker 2: There's a good reason for it, but it could have been.
Speaker 2: It just easily been, you know, the third Friday after
Speaker 2: the second Wednesday, or April or June or whatever you
Speaker 2: like that. You know, it is what it is. And
Speaker 2: like I said, but you know, in a certain sense,
Speaker 2: we no longer have an election day, we have an
Speaker 2: election month.
Speaker 1: I am not a huge fan of the early I
Speaker 1: know I agree with you, but but what.
Speaker 2: That's what we have developed in this country, and the
Speaker 2: expectation is developed. I think it is wrong. I don't
Speaker 2: like it as well. You know. To me, we it's
Speaker 2: really should be. I think when you have an election
Speaker 2: day in a certain sense, that becomes a unifying event
Speaker 2: for the country and the community that everyone is going
Speaker 2: to the polls or ninety percent of the people are
Speaker 2: going to the polls on that day and we're all
Speaker 2: doing that act, if you will, in a sense together.
Speaker 2: When you have this election month and early voting for
Speaker 2: weeks on end and now thirty forty percent people of
Speaker 2: the voters vote early, it's just so broken apart that
Speaker 2: unifying aspect of an election is gone. You know, when
Speaker 2: I was growing up earlier, you know, it used to
Speaker 2: be did it on election day? Early voting was reserved
Speaker 2: for people who were like over sixty five, you're going
Speaker 2: to be in the hospital, going to be out of
Speaker 2: the cattown or out of the country, and that was
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Right now, it's no fault, no excuse early voting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to have I agree with that. If if
Speaker 1: there's a special circumstance where and it was called absentee voting.
Speaker 1: You're not going to be there on election day, so
Speaker 1: you can you can make your excuse and say why
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be there. Here's your ballot cast.
Speaker 1: Your vote doesn't seem like it's that complicated. But now
Speaker 1: with all the early it just it just really opens
Speaker 1: up the door of fraud. And I saw an article
Speaker 1: yesterday where Frank LeRose cleaned out and he sent twelve
Speaker 1: hundred individuals, referred them to the Department of Justice for investigation. Yes,
Speaker 1: because they admitted that some of them, they admitted that
Speaker 1: they had voted illegally, they had voted they voted multiple times,
Speaker 1: they voted in Ohio, why they lived in another state?
Speaker 2: Non citizens citizens voting right.
Speaker 1: And so my point is this, and I made the
Speaker 1: point last night. It's twelve hundred and what's the popular
Speaker 1: in Ohio twenty two million, twenty four.
Speaker 2: Million, something like that.
Speaker 1: Twelve to thirteen. They say, okay, whatever, okay, but it's
Speaker 1: a small number. Yes, But that's not the point. The
Speaker 1: point is is that we should we should strive for zero.
Speaker 1: They have zero irregularities when it comes to voting. And
Speaker 1: so for him to take this action, even though it's
Speaker 1: a small number. I think it's still an important step.
Speaker 2: Right if you look at that at his released what
Speaker 2: he talked about sending these referrals to the DOJ. These
Speaker 2: were people who voted in federal elections and so therefore
Speaker 2: that makes it a matter within the jurisdiction of the
Speaker 2: federal government. And part of the issue was he was saying,
Speaker 2: you know, certain local prosecutors are not pursuing it. You know,
Speaker 2: violations of election laws. And you know, elections are normally
Speaker 2: a local or state matter. We handle elections in this
Speaker 2: country on a state and local matter. But when these
Speaker 2: violations occur, the local prosecutors need to be willing to
Speaker 2: pursue them with criminal charges. That maintains or promotes the
Speaker 2: integrity of it, because part of it is a preventative. Oh,
Speaker 2: they got a thing for doing that, because that was
Speaker 2: the way. I better not do that if I'm going
Speaker 2: to be only legal voter, double voting or whatnot. But
Speaker 2: when these local prosecutors aren't prosecuting these cases, his only
Speaker 2: option was to refirm to the Department of Justice. And
Speaker 2: I think appropriately so.
Speaker 1: But he said he got cooperation from some prosecutors eighty
Speaker 1: eight counties in Ohio, so there's eighty eight prosecutors, right.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: And also and if you consider the population, you know, Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Dayton,
Speaker 2: you know, acron Guess what all Democrat prosecutors in the
Speaker 2: largest cities were most where a lot of the population is.
Speaker 2: You could have you know, if everything's proportional, you could
Speaker 2: have most of your violations in those large counties. Guess
Speaker 2: what those Democrat prosecutors because of the ideology of the
Speaker 2: far left of the Democrat Party, which is now mainstream
Speaker 2: Democrat Party politics, they're not going to pursue that stuff
Speaker 2: because those they view them as their voters. And unfortunately
Speaker 2: the Democrat Party has taken the attitude they don't care,
Speaker 2: you know, by hook or by crook. They want to
Speaker 2: win elections and get power. You know, we saw Biden
Speaker 2: flooding the southern border with illegal immigrants, hoping to get
Speaker 2: them some for amnesty, get them citizenship, and they'll be
Speaker 2: perpetual Democrat voters. That was the whole calculus of the
Speaker 2: whole border policy by the Biden administration. And it's that
Speaker 2: and you see it playing out on all various fronts.
Speaker 2: A well, consider Minnesota. You know, all these there's reports
Speaker 2: coming out about numerous thousands and thousands of Somali immigrants
Speaker 2: committing immigration fraud and getting citizenship base upon fraud. And
Speaker 2: now they're voting, sure, you know. And the problem is
Speaker 2: they can have their citizenship revote and should have it
Speaker 2: revoked because of those that fraud.
Speaker 1: Well, you got Mandani in New York City, and then
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis, you've got you've got another Islamis dude who's
Speaker 1: running from I've got an I've got an article here
Speaker 1: about this guy. But he's running and and I saw
Speaker 1: a video of him where he's at a rally a
Speaker 1: few days ago. He's waving a flag, speaking a foreign language.
Speaker 1: He's he's waving a Somali flag, talking about Somalia, and
Speaker 1: he's he's running and he's running for mayor of Minneapolis.
Speaker 1: What about the United States of America? What about that?
Speaker 2: And then you got another Islamis running for the Senate
Speaker 2: in Michigan, coming out of Dearborn, Michigan. Oh, dear Dearborn.
Speaker 2: That place is lost. Man. They they they've got a
Speaker 2: Muslim mayor. There.
Speaker 1: There was a guy I and I talked with the
Speaker 1: gal from the Detroit News about this. Not the Detroit
Speaker 1: Free press, but the Detroit News, the the the the
Speaker 1: Thinking Person's newspaper there in Detroit, and and and she
Speaker 1: was telling me all about this and uh and and
Speaker 1: I said, how far gone is is Dearborn? And she
Speaker 1: said it's it's gone and and this and this mayor
Speaker 1: was essentially saying, you know, you are not welcome here.
Speaker 1: This guy, this guy, and this guy was talking about
Speaker 1: he was talking about the I guess the Muslim called
Speaker 1: to prayer that goes over the loud speakers and and
Speaker 1: some other thing that they did, and he wasn't happy
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 2: Well it starts the morning.
Speaker 1: And the mayor essentially said, you know, I don't you know,
Speaker 1: you're not I don't want you in my city. Right
Speaker 1: And this guy's not even an American. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: mean it's I mean, it's Dearborn is totally out of control.
Speaker 1: And I think we're going to start seeing a lot
Speaker 1: more of that. If this thing with mont Donnee.
Speaker 2: Well that you know, you take take a look at
Speaker 2: the United Kingdom in England. You know, all the mayor
Speaker 2: of London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool and you are all Muslims,
Speaker 2: and you look at how they're operating, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: they become you know, third world countries if you will,
Speaker 2: or third world cities if you will, and there's no standards.
Speaker 2: You know, they've lost that identity of what it means
Speaker 2: to be brit And and you know, and finally, I
Speaker 2: think the Brits are trying to push back. But you know,
Speaker 2: you got a labor government over there that he's had
Speaker 2: by an avowed communist. I mean, Keen Sturmer was in
Speaker 2: a Czechoslovakian work camp during the Cold War. He was
Speaker 2: working for the Communists during the Cold War, and now
Speaker 2: he's Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been asking the question a lot. What
Speaker 1: is it that is making largely young people vote for
Speaker 1: Mandani in New York City? And I've been asking that question,
Speaker 1: and I found a piece that was written that I think,
Speaker 1: and I think the guy really hits it on the head.
Speaker 1: I want we'll get to that a little bit later,
Speaker 1: but let's start off. We said we were taking phone
Speaker 1: calls tonight, So Ken from Mason is going to be
Speaker 1: first up from tonight and Ken from Mason, what's going on?
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here with the judge.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, now, Judge, are you a Republican now or
Speaker 4: a Democrat?
Speaker 2: Who are you asking?
Speaker 4: I'm asking the judg.
Speaker 2: Am I a Republican now or a Democrat. I am
Speaker 2: an independent, freethinking American. I don't think it's a party issue.
Speaker 2: I think I think it is a constitution issue. Uh,
Speaker 2: I would tell you my party.
Speaker 4: Registration's a Democrat. I thought you were a Democrat at
Speaker 4: some time.
Speaker 2: I have never been a Oh my gosh, no, I
Speaker 2: have never been a Democrat. To be honest with you all.
Speaker 2: Since since age eighteen, I have been a registered Republican
Speaker 2: and have voted in every primary since then for decades now. Unfortunately, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: only because of my age.
Speaker 4: Okay, I think that Dan's listeners, everybody needs to come
Speaker 4: to grips what's going on. The Communists are at large now,
Speaker 4: and I mean Mondamie's not hiding anymore. Elano Omar in
Speaker 4: Minnesota is not hiding it anymore. You're talking about dearborn
Speaker 4: Michigan Talita Rashiv is not hiding it anymore. These people
Speaker 4: are communists. They're not Americans. They don't show the American flag.
Speaker 4: They keep brandishing their own flags. From Somaya, from Mexico,
Speaker 4: you name it, Judge, you hit on it right away
Speaker 4: that Biden opened the floodgates up so he could get
Speaker 4: votes into this country through illegal immigrants. Through the audits,
Speaker 4: we now know at least twelve million people illegal aliens
Speaker 4: voted in twenty twenty. We know that Trump actually destroyed
Speaker 4: Biden the election. You know, but you know, you're crazy
Speaker 4: if you admit those things. Now they're not hiding anymore.
Speaker 4: They're out wide open, you know. And the young kids
Speaker 4: are brainwashed right now. We have forty years of students
Speaker 4: that have been brainwashed. I mean, you look at what's
Speaker 4: going on in Columbia University, what's going on in a
Speaker 4: lot of the Ivy League schools. It's a disaster. And
Speaker 4: I mean, I think, Dan, this is all part of
Speaker 4: the Muslim what they've talked about taking over the Western world.
Speaker 4: They'll do it from within. And you know there's Doonmie's
Speaker 4: not the only guy. You guys have mentioned, the guy
Speaker 4: in Minnesota and the other you know, communists are running
Speaker 4: for office. And I think we've got millions and millions
Speaker 4: and millions of Americans that are blinded to what's going on.
Speaker 4: They don't realize they're about to give up their own freedom.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I mean, we don't have to worry about police. Owy
Speaker 4: have an army in the street killing you before they
Speaker 4: ask questions. I mean, all they have to do is
Speaker 4: look at Venezuela. What's been going on there with Monduro
Speaker 4: Moduro No?
Speaker 2: And I think you're right in terms of the communists
Speaker 2: are out there. The communists are out there. They've got
Speaker 2: that anti American attitude. The islam mister out there, they've
Speaker 2: got an anti American attitude, and they're kind of all
Speaker 2: merging together. And you talk about communists leading city guy.
Speaker 2: What popped into mind was Karen Bass, who's the mayor
Speaker 2: of Los Angeles. You know, she spent time in Cuba
Speaker 2: with US Social Socialist Revolution Group and she comes right
Speaker 2: out of Fidel Cass. Part of the weather Underground, wasn't she?
Speaker 2: I think so related to you know, and you know,
Speaker 2: I remember I grew up during the Cold War. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, then it was better dead than Red, right,
Speaker 2: which Red was the communist not the Republicans, which I
Speaker 2: think is a conspiracy of the media to make Republicans read.
Speaker 2: So you can no longer.
Speaker 1: Say that are you now or have you ever been
Speaker 1: a member of the Communist but you.
Speaker 2: Know, but you look at that and what we got
Speaker 2: lost in the Biden administration, and I pray that the
Speaker 2: Trump administration gets more aggressive with it. Is this immigration fraud.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I think Trump is because he's talking,
Speaker 1: he's and they're not debating it at the moment, but
Speaker 1: he has talked about and I think there's going to
Speaker 1: be a huge debate about when the census comes around
Speaker 1: not counting illegals in the census, and it has to do.
Speaker 1: I think it plays into all the redistricting that's happening
Speaker 1: right now, the maps that are being drawn, because if
Speaker 1: if it's all based on population and you're not going
Speaker 1: to count illegals as part of your population, well then
Speaker 1: you're going to lose a lot of Democrats seats. And
Speaker 1: that's one thing the Left cannot abide in any way,
Speaker 1: shape or form, is losing their grip on power.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's all about power. But when you look, I'm
Speaker 2: talking immigration for a people committing fraud and their representations
Speaker 2: to come into this country or on their citizenship applications.
Speaker 2: You got it along Omar up in Minnesota who came illegally,
Speaker 2: you know, from Somalia. She came to refugee status, right,
Speaker 2: but she kept going back and forth, back and forth,
Speaker 2: marrying her brother, marrying her brother, but marrying her brother
Speaker 2: to bypass this.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know Mandami in New York, he's already been in
Speaker 2: this country for seven years and apparently failed to disclose
Speaker 2: ties to terrorist organizations on his immigration forms. That is
Speaker 2: grounds to revoke his citizenship. And the fact that he's
Speaker 2: running for mayor may get elected mayor should not matter. Well,
Speaker 2: I know there's some talk about that going on too. Yes, yes, but.
Speaker 3: Jack.
Speaker 4: Eventually, Trump's gonna have to go into New York City
Speaker 4: at some point. If Madami really starts to pull off
Speaker 4: some of the stuff he's thinking about, I think Trump
Speaker 4: will be justified going in there and removing him. Well,
Speaker 4: he's going to and ask the guard, the army if
Speaker 4: you have to, he asked.
Speaker 1: To He's gonna run out of money. I think that's
Speaker 1: the first thing that's gonna happen. He's gonna he's gonna
Speaker 1: run out of money. And does he come hat in
Speaker 1: hand to to Trump and and and start looking for
Speaker 1: a federal bailout because Kathy Hopell doesn't have any. She
Speaker 1: endorsed him the other day the governor. What an idiot.
Speaker 1: And I'm seeing all these videos of these people.
Speaker 4: Be in Miami, Florida.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all.
Speaker 1: These videos of people and all I voted for Mondani.
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of that, Jews, for I've seen stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I do not understand that.
Speaker 2: I don't you know. Here I saw a group of
Speaker 2: three female rabbis making fun and joking and being glad
Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, I'm sorry. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: what world they're living in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a threat. They're going to make the
Speaker 1: same video when they're all wearing a hey job.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, the young people need to understand that socialism has
Speaker 4: never worked in the history of mankind because eventually they
Speaker 4: take the rich people's money and no one has in
Speaker 4: he mind. Just Dan talked about they'll all be broke,
Speaker 4: you know, and what he does, he keeps talking. That's
Speaker 4: who's only answered everything. You're going to tax the rich.
Speaker 4: The rich are going to get the hell out of
Speaker 4: New York City. They're not standing.
Speaker 1: There, They're already starting to do it. They're already starting
Speaker 1: to do it. Ken, we got to run. But as always, man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you picking up the phone.
Speaker 4: Brother, Great show. Guys.
Speaker 1: All right, there you go, Ken from Mason. When we
Speaker 1: get back, we will talk about what's happening in the city.
Speaker 2: Let's get back. Yeah, let's get to the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: R got off on a little tagent there, but we're
Speaker 1: going to set up the city council races, the mayor raise,
Speaker 1: all that kind of got all night. But let's know,
Speaker 1: we got all night five, one, three, seven, four, the
Speaker 1: big one. As we talk election on this Thursday night
Speaker 1: edition of The Midweek Crisis on seven hundred WLW, Queen.
Speaker 2: City Forward is more than a name. It's a nod
Speaker 2: to the city. We love. Cincinnati keeps moving forward. Hey,
Speaker 2: nikes and night.
Speaker 1: On the Thursday night edition of The Midweek Crisis. Kurt
Speaker 1: Hartman is in studio. If me we're talking election, we
Speaker 1: we we got off on a tangent that first half
Speaker 1: hour and it flew right by. So let's talk about
Speaker 1: what's happening at city Hall. You've got Corey Bowman. It
Speaker 1: was the the upstart, and it's been what it's been
Speaker 1: like like five or six or seven election cycles before
Speaker 1: a republic We haven't even had a Republican run for mayor.
Speaker 2: I think the last Republican we had run for mayor
Speaker 2: was brad Winstrup winstro I don't even remember when he ran.
Speaker 2: It was like in the early early to mid two
Speaker 2: thousands or something like four years before he ran for Congress.
Speaker 1: Six one of his first times out of it. That
Speaker 1: was I think that was his first time out of
Speaker 1: the gates. Yeah, but it was just kind of a hey, he's.
Speaker 2: Getting once to get involved, and he got convinced to
Speaker 2: run for mayor.
Speaker 1: Feed you to the wolves the first time, but he
Speaker 1: got a good consolation prize. I've got why do you
Speaker 1: think that is?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Why do you think that Republicans haven't even bothered to
Speaker 1: make a showing for so long? And look, if Corey
Speaker 1: Bowman wouldn't have stepped up this time around, we'd have
Speaker 1: another cycle where we wouldn't have I just think running.
Speaker 2: Honestly, my take is we don't have good leadership in
Speaker 2: the Hamilton County Republican Party. We have no fight in
Speaker 2: the Republican Party. In the leadership, we just kind of
Speaker 2: go along. I'm sorry, Okay, Yes, the numbers are against
Speaker 2: you in Hamilton County and in the City of Cincinnati
Speaker 2: especially right you're a minority party and the chances to win,
Speaker 2: but you've got to be and I think in that instance,
Speaker 2: people want you to be the loyal opposition, the fighting,
Speaker 2: the challenging opposition and calling them out when they do stuff.
Speaker 2: And for the past ten years or so, we've not
Speaker 2: seen any of that, you know, as the power and
Speaker 2: influence of the Hamilton County Republican Party or the Republican
Speaker 2: Party in Hamilton County has decreased, party leadership has just
Speaker 2: kind of sat there and said, oh, well, that's inevitable.
Speaker 2: It's demographics. There's nothing we can do about it. Whether
Speaker 2: there's something you can do about it or not. I
Speaker 2: think there are certain things you can try to mitigate,
Speaker 2: but at the minimum, be there, challenging, be a fight
Speaker 2: you don't want to fight.
Speaker 1: It seems like the effort has not even been really
Speaker 1: been made, right.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't go out that there's no effort
Speaker 2: to go recruit candidates, just kind of sit there and
Speaker 2: will Okay, whatever candidates show up. Oh I'm happy somebody
Speaker 2: showed up. That that's not leading a party, that that's
Speaker 2: not what we what we need. I think we need
Speaker 2: somebody who has the foresight, has you know, more than
Speaker 2: more than a month or a week before the filing
Speaker 2: deadline for an office is out looking for candidates, is it?
Speaker 1: Is it just a matter of fact of you know,
Speaker 1: boots on the ground that we don't have the people
Speaker 1: that want to do the hard work of knocking on
Speaker 1: the doors, you know, making the T shirts, getting the
Speaker 1: you know, getting the literature out there, that kind of
Speaker 1: that kind of basic It seems to me that the
Speaker 1: republic it seems to me there's plenty of Democrats who
Speaker 1: are willing to do that.
Speaker 2: Exactly well a lot of them. A lot of them
Speaker 2: get paid by these non government organizations that got money
Speaker 2: through us A I d whether you know. But to
Speaker 2: answer your question, I think in a certain sense that
Speaker 2: is right. But I don't think we try. I never
Speaker 2: saw an effort when I was involved, when I was
Speaker 2: running for office. I never saw good, court NATed effort
Speaker 2: amongst all the different Republican Party groups, for example Xavier
Speaker 2: University and University of Cincinnati Republican clubs. That's we just
Speaker 2: kind of had them out there on their own. There
Speaker 2: was no hey, let's get you involved in the party,
Speaker 2: Let's get you involved in campaigns. Here are some young
Speaker 2: people energize politically oriented Republicans, right, and we just they
Speaker 2: do their thing, We do our thing, and that's it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I kind of said, you know, a chairman of a party.
Speaker 1: They call they're all doing their thing, but they're in there.
Speaker 1: But then they're not connected with anyone else.
Speaker 2: To me, a good, good, good chairman of a party
Speaker 2: is kind of like the conductor of an orchestra. You
Speaker 2: want to bring that, you know, the horns and the
Speaker 2: strings and the percussion all together and make this symphony.
Speaker 2: But when you let them just go off on their own,
Speaker 2: you don't have anything. You got noise. And then in
Speaker 2: a certain sense that that's what we've got. We don't
Speaker 2: have a strategic plan, and it's like we always feel
Speaker 2: like we're playing ketch up to what the Democrats have done.
Speaker 2: All they did it better get out the vote campaign,
Speaker 2: they did a better coordinated campaign. Yeah they did so, okay,
Speaker 2: we'll go to try to do that. But and we
Speaker 2: always just get focused on an election, unlike the Democrats.
Speaker 2: I think as Republicans, we tend to get focused just
Speaker 2: three months before the election, two months before the election,
Speaker 2: whereas the Democrats it's a year round mentality. Again, we
Speaker 2: talked about earlier the last half hour. How democrats strive
Speaker 2: and organize just to maintain and keep power, and it
Speaker 2: is a perpetual thought in their mind. You know.
Speaker 1: Back in January, we all thought that basic city services
Speaker 1: was going to be the major issue of this election cycle,
Speaker 1: this before the crime started getting out, pop holes and whatnot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: lo and behold two days three you know what is it?
Speaker 1: Four days before the vote? Five days before the vote.
Speaker 1: The city manager comes out and says, hey, we've got
Speaker 1: all this great technology. The streets are going to get
Speaker 1: plowed next time it snows. And oh you know, hey,
Speaker 1: we've got iPads now in the trucks and the managers
Speaker 1: can see where the drivers are going, and all the
Speaker 1: streets are going to get plowed. And I'm thinking to
Speaker 1: my self, well, wait a minute, Uh, where's the new trucks.
Speaker 1: How about some trucks that work. How about some snowplows
Speaker 1: they can get the job done. What about some smaller
Speaker 1: vehicles they can get on some of those side streets
Speaker 1: where it's hard to fit a full size true, you know,
Speaker 1: or you can't fit a full side what about stuff
Speaker 1: like that? Technology is great, but back in the fifties, sixties,
Speaker 1: and seventies, we didn't have this kind of technology, and
Speaker 1: guess what, the street's gone plowed. Yeah, because people knew
Speaker 1: what they were doing. You know, how about some some
Speaker 1: great four wheel drive vehicles where you can have managers
Speaker 1: drive around and look at streets and identify streets and
Speaker 1: say we need what about that kind of stuff?
Speaker 2: But no, well we've got iPads. Now, we've got you know,
Speaker 2: the high tech things, high tech technology, the trucks. That's
Speaker 2: going to solve all the problems. You don't have to think.
Speaker 2: You get people who don't think. Kidding me, and that's
Speaker 2: what they rely so much upon technology that they don't
Speaker 2: think for themselves. But in a certain sense, when you know,
Speaker 2: I just heard that that story and the report. Yeah,
Speaker 2: part of me said, though, wait a minute, that's almost
Speaker 2: like your house is on fire and you're worrying about
Speaker 2: how how your rose garden looked.
Speaker 1: We've got all this chaos going on at city Hall,
Speaker 1: and it looks it's all the Democrats. Have to own that. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's all Democrats at city Hall. Yes, and we got
Speaker 1: all this chaos going I have never I used to
Speaker 1: cover city Hall when I was at Fox nineteen, and look,
Speaker 1: I thought that there was plenty of times when it
Speaker 1: was a clown show then with the people who were
Speaker 1: on City Council at that time, but it was never anything.
Speaker 1: The one thing I remember about covering city Hall is
Speaker 1: that whoever was on City Council and whatever buffoonery they
Speaker 1: were up to, there was always a city manager who
Speaker 1: was the grown up, who was the serious person, Who
Speaker 1: who was the person that was you know, that could
Speaker 1: step up and say, hey, it's time to knock this
Speaker 1: off and get down to serious.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But back in that day, we had really the city
Speaker 2: manager form of government. I don't know what form of
Speaker 2: government we've got in the City of since nat Well
Speaker 2: we had the most have the strong mayor, but the man. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but who runs the city on a day to day basis.
Speaker 2: It's the city man supposed to be the city manager,
Speaker 2: but it's it's the mayor because we've got we've got
Speaker 2: an incompetent city manager.
Speaker 1: The mayor is supposed to be more hands on now, yeah,
Speaker 1: but not. All he's hands on was for press conferences.
Speaker 1: And we have to have pur of all do besides
Speaker 1: show up at press conference.
Speaker 2: That's it. It's no leadership.
Speaker 1: And I hope people have seen and how and how
Speaker 1: do we have a mayor who feels confident enough and
Speaker 1: feels comfortable enough that when you have a major event
Speaker 1: happened in the streets of downtown Cincinnati that is on
Speaker 1: video and yours and it's going national internet, is being
Speaker 1: is being just a just pillary from pillar to post
Speaker 1: on national TV, and that video is running morning, noon
Speaker 1: and night, day after day after day.
Speaker 2: And you feel Okay, then you can leave the country.
Speaker 2: I can call it in. Yeah, you can, and you can.
Speaker 1: You can put up your five year old as a
Speaker 1: she and say, oh, it's my son's birthday and then
Speaker 1: we you know, we got to go have a birthday.
Speaker 2: So it is because I think I said it before
Speaker 2: with because because we have a mayor in the city
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati who has no ties to the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: He's an honestly, he's an outsider. He never really established
Speaker 2: himself as truly being Sincinnati compare Beaver Creek. But yeah,
Speaker 2: but I think I think of John John crann in
Speaker 2: comparison to John Cranley. You know, agree or disagree with John.
Speaker 2: I know John, I like John, disagree with some stuff
Speaker 2: on John. But John really cared about the city SINCECT
Speaker 2: because he grew up on the West Side. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying you have to have been a native Cincinnati
Speaker 2: and to be mayor helps. It helps, but but really,
Speaker 2: somebody who comes in who actually wants to loves the
Speaker 2: city and what we what we had. I kind of said,
Speaker 2: I look back historically, you go back to the nineteen
Speaker 2: seventies on city Council and the leadership of since I'm
Speaker 2: thinking people like Ted Berry and Gene Roman Democrat and Republican.
Speaker 2: They cared about the city of Cincinnati. Their priority and
Speaker 2: only interest was the city of Cincinnati. What we got
Speaker 2: within the past ten to twenty years on Cincinnati are
Speaker 2: more council members who have become grandstanders looking for a
Speaker 2: higher office. I'm thinking PG sitting Feld, I'm thinking aftab
Speaker 2: par of all. They don't have this love, if you will,
Speaker 2: and commitment to the city. Their love and commitment is
Speaker 2: to themselves and their own political career. You know, Gene Rule,
Speaker 2: me and Ted Berry never ran for another office. They
Speaker 2: never sought out a higher office. Now not that they
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been qualified, not that they might have been
Speaker 2: called to it, but they got on city Council and
Speaker 2: helped lead the city positively in the nineteen seventies because
Speaker 2: they cared about the city. These people nowadays don't. It's
Speaker 2: all about power, be a local power, whatever, king of
Speaker 2: the hill of the mole Hill. That's you know, it
Speaker 2: may be compared to whatever, and that's what you get.
Speaker 2: And so with Aftab, you know, he comes to Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: You know, he does his little Afla Aftab duck thing
Speaker 2: to get elected, a cute little thing, good promotion, marketing,
Speaker 2: but there was no substance behind it. And he didn't
Speaker 2: want to be Clerk of Courts forever. Oh, he wanted
Speaker 2: to run for Congress. He wanted to get involved in
Speaker 2: national politics.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Remember he ran against Steve Shebdan lost he really that's
Speaker 2: really when it went so, but oh, I'm stuck running
Speaker 2: for mayor. I guess it was kind of a consolation price.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say that consolation. And if you talk
Speaker 2: to people, I've talked to people who have had some
Speaker 2: ties and nose what kind of heartbeat of what's going
Speaker 2: on in city hall. He never really enjoyed being there.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt he's got his sites
Speaker 1: set on something else.
Speaker 2: And which, after all, after his record in the past
Speaker 2: few months. I think hopefully people will see, you know,
Speaker 2: see what the lack of substance. But it's a press conference,
Speaker 2: it's a tweet. There's no substantive leadership. And you look
Speaker 2: at they've handled the brawl. You looked at how they've
Speaker 2: handled you know, Chief TG, and that that's been an
Speaker 2: absurd way of hand. It's no leadership. I'm sorry. You know,
Speaker 2: even if somebody, even if somebody makes a decision I
Speaker 2: might not agree with. I might say, you know, that
Speaker 2: was a that was definitely strong leadership. I might disagreed
Speaker 2: with the conclusion. I can't even say that about Aftab
Speaker 2: or or Share, our longest city manager. She does whatever
Speaker 2: Aftab is, She's unqualified for the job. She's no leader.
Speaker 2: He's no leader. But that and this is what and
Speaker 2: this nine members, nine Democrats on the Cincinnati City Council
Speaker 2: are no leaders. I honestly, I don't know half. If
Speaker 2: you ask me right now, I could.
Speaker 1: Not gonna and we want One of the one of
Speaker 1: the things that's gonna be a result of this is
Speaker 1: that it's going to cost a city a hell of
Speaker 1: a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Yes, with with that, you know they had probably they
Speaker 2: fired the fire chief. Look at the way she she did.
Speaker 1: Mike Washington, Yes, and and her and both in and
Speaker 1: the g both with the Finny Law firm, and Steve
Speaker 1: m is his work in those cases, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: I think. I think the Mike Washington payout is going
Speaker 1: to be is going to be possibly here's that Steve.
Speaker 2: Steve a great attorney, smart attorney, but these are cases
Speaker 2: that you don't need to be a rocket signed. And
Speaker 2: the city screwed up so bad it's like, what the
Speaker 2: heck are they doing there? They're dead to right. But
Speaker 2: I mean, and it's like, do the voters really realize
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear from some voters in the City
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati about their take on what's going on in
Speaker 2: the city, what's up with the with the election.
Speaker 1: But I've seen chaos at city Hall before, but nothing
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 2: No, But you know, can you really name all nine
Speaker 2: members of city Council right now?
Speaker 1: I can't because you've got I'm in front of me.
Speaker 1: But the thing, the thing is, you know you got
Speaker 1: jan Michelle lemon Coarney. She's the vice mayor who wants
Speaker 1: to run for mayor in four years. Yeah, she she
Speaker 1: I guess she's uh, you know when I when she
Speaker 1: she comes on and she talks with Scott Sloan from
Speaker 1: time to time. I don't think she has done any
Speaker 1: other shows on this but but but whenever I see her, uh,
Speaker 1: and she's definitely got her site set on the mayor's office.
Speaker 1: Victoria Parks, who is not running again. The white guys
Speaker 1: deserve what they got said they were the ones who
Speaker 1: deserve the beat downs. Uh Anna Anna, I'll beat well.
Speaker 1: I heard her on the other day. She replaced Liz
Speaker 1: Keating she's the one who and again, no idea what
Speaker 1: she's done. Jeff Kramerding Uh used to be with the
Speaker 1: price Ill Community Council, Mark Jefferies.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Scottie Johnson, who has apparently lost his mind. He was
Speaker 1: I don't know, I hit when when he was I
Speaker 1: think he was the leader of the sentinels within when
Speaker 1: he was on the police force. I you know, I
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm kind of I'm kind of about
Speaker 1: Scottie John's. Every once in a while he comes out
Speaker 1: and says something that that's looseider makes sense. But there's
Speaker 1: a lot of times when he says things I just
Speaker 1: totally differt disagree with Evan Nolan. I have no idea
Speaker 1: about Evan Nolan. Minka Owens. I don't know a lot
Speaker 1: about Mika Owens. But she clears the chairs the Climate,
Speaker 1: Environment and Infrastructure Committee, so she's climate. The Cincinnati still
Speaker 1: have his EPA office. Don't it's climate office, don't. I
Speaker 1: don't believe it's it's on the Cincinnati Environmental with this administration, probably,
Speaker 1: but but yeah, and then and then Seth Wall she
Speaker 1: took over for Greg Landsman.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing with all that, why did they
Speaker 2: were what have they done? I don't know, not that.
Speaker 1: I'm I can't think of a good reason to re
Speaker 1: elect any No, but.
Speaker 2: Let me, I'm not expecting these city council member. I
Speaker 2: don't want these city council members. I was also being
Speaker 2: constantly throwing themselves in front of the cameras either. But
Speaker 2: it's like there's been no skepticism, there's been no challenges
Speaker 2: to the administration. They've just been they've been rubber stamps.
Speaker 1: The only thing I've heard any of these council members say,
Speaker 1: Mark Jefferies, was on the other day when the whole
Speaker 1: when the whole Chief Police Chief Fiji story was breaking,
Speaker 1: he came on and said, look, city Council, we don't
Speaker 1: have any clue. We haven't had any communication from the
Speaker 1: city manager. Then I haven't had any communication from the
Speaker 1: from the the mayor. Because Scott Slan's like, well what
Speaker 1: about this? What about this?
Speaker 2: And he's like, well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay, why aren't you demanding it? That he knows is
Speaker 1: what he's reading seeing on the news.
Speaker 2: Then why aren't they demanding it as a body, Why
Speaker 2: aren't they standing up and pushing back again? Because they're
Speaker 2: all Democrats drinking the same progressive.
Speaker 1: Cool Absolutely, Now, Rick and Dallas, what's going on tonight?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that the time got away from me. I
Speaker 1: saw you up there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 2: How you doing all right?
Speaker 3: Rick?
Speaker 2: We we got a couple of minutes left in this segment.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: Well, I grew up there.
Speaker 6: To this day, I know a whole lot about.
Speaker 2: The history there.
Speaker 3: There's a there's one dramatic difference between the local politics
Speaker 3: there today and say, oh, go back thirty forty fifty
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 4: You know what the difference is.
Speaker 2: What's the difference.
Speaker 3: Back back fifty years ago? You had these guys. They
Speaker 3: are a bunch of PROCs Ian the puppis fifty years ago,
Speaker 3: you had the.
Speaker 2: Real deal over there. Come on, Charles p.
Speaker 4: Task, Bill Bowen, H.
Speaker 3: Gratison and you have Barryson good all the trial over councils.
Speaker 4: Come on.
Speaker 1: These were serious individuals cared about the city. These these
Speaker 1: individuals had a sense of civic responsibility and and doing
Speaker 1: what was best for the city. And I think gave
Speaker 1: what showed back then.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But but but one more thing to those people
Speaker 3: actually owed the city. I mean these people now are puppets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they are.
Speaker 3: I mean, but those people the child's to the Lucas,
Speaker 3: they owed the city. I mean they have money if
Speaker 3: they had scared in the game. These people don't have it,
Speaker 3: the scared of the game. These people are puppies.
Speaker 2: No, I think you're right. I think you're right. I
Speaker 2: mean I think I think even like Tomaya demart Thenard right,
Speaker 2: she had no skin in the game. She was happy
Speaker 2: to get the paycheck. And if that's if it's just
Speaker 2: getting a paycheck and.
Speaker 3: What one thing before? Because I know you gotta hang
Speaker 3: up there, How you going to get the people all
Speaker 3: of the city. Id idid Hill or you know that
Speaker 3: inty Hill. But you know you know what, people that
Speaker 3: have no money to grow up the city council, you
Speaker 3: ain't gonna do that. They're too lazy. I mean, why
Speaker 3: should they do it when they could get these pumpers
Speaker 3: to do, you know, and do their work for I mean,
Speaker 3: the people with the power are too damn lazy to
Speaker 3: be all city council. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Rick. I appreciate the phone call, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: I think Rick makes a good point there, and especially
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, even if these people quote unquote
Speaker 2: who owned the city or whatnot, even if they're not
Speaker 2: gonna run, they're not pushing for good candidates. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 2: I don't see the business community really stepping up. And
Speaker 2: I'm talking to cadates they needed. And that's what we'll
Speaker 2: go down. We'll go down the list of candidates who
Speaker 2: are running. Yeah, well there's a long list. I don't know.
Speaker 2: That'll take up the whole Next second, are you're going
Speaker 2: to be here all night? Say there?
Speaker 1: And five, one, three, seven, the big one relate for
Speaker 1: a break. So let's do that now. It is the
Speaker 1: Thursday night edition of the Midweek Crisis. On seven hundred
Speaker 1: ww I was born overseas in Jordan, actually.
Speaker 2: Seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 1: It's the Thursday night edition of The Midwek Crisis. I'm
Speaker 1: Dan Carroll. We rock and roll till Midnights. Tonight we're
Speaker 1: talking elections.
Speaker 2: My last show.
Speaker 1: Before election night on November fourth, Tuesday, the first Tuesday
Speaker 1: after the first Monday. And breaking all this stuff down
Speaker 1: with me tonight is Judge Kurt Hart. So let's let's
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about it. Back in in August
Speaker 1: of this year, the city manager sent a letter to
Speaker 1: the police Chief, Teresa Thiech, and she was complaining that
Speaker 1: the police chief went out there and said, you know what,
Speaker 1: we're going to work with other police chiefs in the
Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati and they've got this task force and
Speaker 1: we're going to be part of it, and we're going
Speaker 1: to do what we can to crack down on crime.
Speaker 1: And so Cheryl Long was upset about this, saying that, look,
Speaker 1: you need to get with me before you say something
Speaker 1: like this publicly. So when I when I look at
Speaker 1: this letter and she's talking about all communications, external meeting strategies,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, you know they got to go through me,
Speaker 1: They go through my pr person. All this all this
Speaker 1: stuff this is it says to me that there was
Speaker 1: not a work a real working relationship there, to my
Speaker 1: way of thinking, the police chief and the city manager
Speaker 1: the city the police chief reports to the city manager.
Speaker 1: They ought to be talking every day, multiple times a day,
Speaker 1: first thing in the morning. I mean, you just checking in,
Speaker 1: what's going on, what do you got today?
Speaker 2: Anything? Anything going on.
Speaker 1: These conversations should be going on every single day, multiple
Speaker 1: times a day. And this letter tells me that was
Speaker 1: not happening.
Speaker 2: But also, but also I would say if I was
Speaker 2: city manager, I have a police chief who has decades
Speaker 2: of experience in law enforcement. Yes, I a city manager
Speaker 2: have none right, Cherlong has none right. You know myself
Speaker 2: personally I was a judge. But that's not law enforcement.
Speaker 2: That's that's a minute. But you have pop people with
Speaker 2: expertise in an area, You let them run their department
Speaker 2: using that expertise. You provide general oversight, you don't micromanage.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what she was doing. That's exactly and what
Speaker 2: it is. And it's like, what knowledge, what basis of
Speaker 2: experience does share along a city manager have to know
Speaker 2: anything about the police department.
Speaker 1: No, she this letter should have said, Hey, saw your
Speaker 1: press conference. You want to work with the other chiefs
Speaker 1: in the say good, you're being proactive. Hey, let let
Speaker 1: let's get together. How can I help?
Speaker 2: How? How does the city make this happen for you?
Speaker 2: What do we do? Who do we contact? Let's get
Speaker 2: the ball rolling on this.
Speaker 1: But letter should Shlong has been trying to dress her
Speaker 1: down and say, you need to get with me.
Speaker 2: But I have to have Parahl choosing share along as
Speaker 2: city manager because she had two qualifications. She was a
Speaker 2: DEI hire and she would do whatever Ata told her
Speaker 2: to do. That's it. She is incompetent and she has
Speaker 2: confirmed her incompetence here as of late. But really, really
Speaker 2: for the years that she's been there.
Speaker 1: It's the City of Cincinnati used to have an Office
Speaker 1: of Municipal Investigation.
Speaker 2: I believe that's Do they still have it. I doubt it.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've never heard of it. If it
Speaker 2: still does, I know they had it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It seems to me that office would be perfect for this,
Speaker 1: this exercise that Sarah Long wants to play. Pay Frost
Speaker 1: Brown Todd for it. It's gonna be in the neighborhood
Speaker 1: of fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: You know, what they really need in the city of
Speaker 2: is kind of an inspector general, an independent inspector general,
Speaker 2: something like that that can go back and investigate stuff
Speaker 2: and issue reports to try to improve the government of
Speaker 2: the of the City of Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Now she's saying, we have to investigate her performance as chief, Well,
Speaker 1: where have you been? Well wait minute, there's performance reviews.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't that tell you what her performance is.
Speaker 1: Either you know of something or you don't know of something.
Speaker 1: If you don't know of anything, But now they got
Speaker 1: to pay a law firm to find out if she's
Speaker 1: been an effective leader. Uh, if she's been a leader
Speaker 1: within the context of city government, including furthering the broader
Speaker 1: goals and objectives of the city administration. When I and
Speaker 1: and I did, I did a whole show on this
Speaker 1: last week. I dialed up all this stuff and it's
Speaker 1: right all there on the city on the city website,
Speaker 1: and and it's all it's all the emission statements and
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and it's it's a diversity, equity and inclusion.
Speaker 1: It's it's all this woke mumbo jumbo. And so so
Speaker 1: my my theory on this is that Teresa Thiji was
Speaker 1: trying to do the best she could to adhere to
Speaker 1: the wishes of Aftab Purval and share Al Long, trying
Speaker 1: to carry out their wishes within the police department and
Speaker 1: the way the police department did their job. And when
Speaker 1: things started going bad, that when the results came in
Speaker 1: and the crime whether and look, you can slice and
Speaker 1: dice these statistics one hundred different ways, but the perception
Speaker 1: was is that crime was out of control in the
Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati, and so when that started putting the
Speaker 1: heat on a tab Purval, then we got the mess
Speaker 1: that we have now. Yeah, I think, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's as simple as that it is.
Speaker 2: It is like I said, we got a city manager
Speaker 2: who's not letting the people with the experience. It's like,
Speaker 2: you don't give up, you don't give them a blank check,
Speaker 2: but you ask critical questions, but you don't micromanage. And
Speaker 2: it's like, that's what we've got with people both in
Speaker 2: the mayor and the city manager who have never really
Speaker 2: had some real life experience in the private sector.
Speaker 1: So they want to find out if she's committed any
Speaker 1: infraction or policy violation with serving as police chief, has
Speaker 1: disregarded best practices and the running the CPD to the
Speaker 1: detriment of public safety and crime. For let me ask,
Speaker 1: she's telling, uh, Frost Brown Todd that we want you
Speaker 1: to find these things out.
Speaker 2: What do you think Frost Brown Towd's going to find something?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I think there's not there's what's there? No,
Speaker 2: I don't think there is. Why wouldn't we know about
Speaker 2: this if these things have already happened? But who is
Speaker 2: Frost Brown Toald working for the city and he who
Speaker 2: pays the fiddler calls the tune, and so this is
Speaker 2: kind of like the old one.
Speaker 1: What they're going to find out is that they're gonna
Speaker 1: cut the private report is going to say, hey, this
Speaker 1: is on you mayor this is on you city manager.
Speaker 2: It's not her fault. But then publicly there's gonna be
Speaker 2: this whole thing with hiring Frost Brown and Todd to
Speaker 2: conduct an investigation to tell me, hey, is there something
Speaker 2: she did wrong by which I might be able to
Speaker 2: fire her even though I city manager have no clue.
Speaker 2: Really it's Alison Wonderland. It is the Red Queen verdict. First,
Speaker 2: then try.
Speaker 1: They gotta they gotta hire these people to figure out
Speaker 1: why they see they fired, they fired, but they didn't
Speaker 1: really fire her, you know, all technicality.
Speaker 2: Trying to find the grounds to fire her. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, verdict first, then trial that that's and and
Speaker 2: it's like this.
Speaker 1: And Stephen is just sitting there, just just just looking
Speaker 1: at Hey.
Speaker 2: This is what the people of Cincinnati, unfortunately, guys, and
Speaker 2: take take some responsibility and acceptance of responsibility. This is
Speaker 2: what they voted for.
Speaker 1: I don't vote in the city. And if you're listening
Speaker 1: to me right now and you vote in the City
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, you've got to vote the changes.
Speaker 2: No, you know, like you said, you went through the
Speaker 2: council members, and it's like, what have any of them done?
Speaker 2: I don't even know half of them or of half
Speaker 2: of them. But it's like where there's no accountability, there's
Speaker 2: no oversight. You know, you talk about one council member, Well,
Speaker 2: this is the first we heard about. Why aren't you
Speaker 2: demanding information from the administration. You're just sitting there, docile
Speaker 2: City Cincinnati Council meeting. Yes, and and and it's like, guys,
Speaker 2: that's what you is. I would expect city, but but
Speaker 2: you know, but thankfully, thankfully, you know, two years ago
Speaker 2: when city council ran, there were ten people running for
Speaker 2: nine slots on city Council. Ten people, nine Democrats and
Speaker 2: one Republican. And guess what they elected all nine Democrats.
Speaker 2: And this is what we've got. Thankfully, we've got twenty
Speaker 2: six plus or minus people running this election.
Speaker 1: There's some good people people here. In a minute, Jack
Speaker 1: and Harrison, what say.
Speaker 2: You, Dan?
Speaker 7: Carrol?
Speaker 2: How are you all right? Jack? How are you doing tonight?
Speaker 8: I'm doing well. And hello to the honorable judge. And
Speaker 8: I'll tell you guys right now, the only way a
Speaker 8: Republican is going to be the mayor of Cincinnati, he
Speaker 8: is going to have to rent out of space downtown
Speaker 8: right by a government.
Speaker 2: Square and be ready to do the work.
Speaker 6: Be there three or four days a week, open the
Speaker 6: place up, have a microphone, let the community come in
Speaker 6: and talk and talk to the community, and then find
Speaker 6: out ways to fix the problems that are bugging them,
Speaker 6: and then use people from the community to solve the problems,
Speaker 6: and then give them some free food from the food
Speaker 6: trucks that this.
Speaker 2: City is trying to ban. Yeah, what about that?
Speaker 6: How That's how we're a Republican would win because the
Speaker 6: problem is and the Democrats have called this. People look
Speaker 6: at black people like, oh, they're just going to vote Democrat.
Speaker 6: They're not even going to consider a Republican. But let
Speaker 6: me tell you, buddy, I deliver medical supplies all through Cincinnati,
Speaker 6: and I talk to all colors of people, and black
Speaker 6: people are very smart. And you give them a microphone
Speaker 6: and they're gonna give you ways to fix these problems.
Speaker 6: Nobody listens to them.
Speaker 2: There's nobody they.
Speaker 9: Talk to them and tell them all we're gonna give
Speaker 9: you this. We're gonna give you that.
Speaker 2: They don't need nothing free.
Speaker 6: He's one of the most rufius people in Cincinnati are
Speaker 6: black people. They don't need handouts.
Speaker 1: Well, Jack, you need a microphone. They need a microphone,
Speaker 1: All right, Jack, But thank you very much for the call.
Speaker 1: What about that move when the when the city manager
Speaker 1: comes out and says we're putting a curfew on food
Speaker 1: trucks and they got to shut down by eleven o'clock
Speaker 1: at night, What crime solved?
Speaker 2: Okay, it's like ridiculous of all evil in the city
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati. Oh wow, what brilliant. Why did we think
Speaker 2: of that? I mean, and you know, Jack was saying,
Speaker 2: you know, talking to you know, black people, but really
Speaker 2: the average citizen, I don't care what race, have a
Speaker 2: lot of common sense and I pray that they are
Speaker 2: seeing through and using their common sense and saying this
Speaker 2: is ridiculous what we're getting out of the city right now,
Speaker 2: we're getting sure and hopefully, you know, he talks about
Speaker 2: talking to people, I would argue that the Republicans won't
Speaker 2: talk to the people, they'll listen to the people, because
Speaker 2: what you got right now is from Aftam and the
Speaker 2: Democrats on council, and the share law is they keep
Speaker 2: talking to the people, telling them what they need to think,
Speaker 2: telling them why not just sit there and listen to
Speaker 2: the people. And I think that that's the difference. You know,
Speaker 2: people like Aftab are from this job around, from this
Speaker 2: attitude that they're the smartest people in the room and
Speaker 2: they are telling you what to think and if you
Speaker 2: think otherwise, you don't know what you're talking about. That
Speaker 2: is their attitude. And I think, you know, thankfully we've
Speaker 2: got some good people running for city council who appreciate
Speaker 2: that people have good common sense and good solutions at times,
Speaker 2: and sometimes it's just sitting there being quiet and listening.
Speaker 2: You have problem with politicians and you put a microphone
Speaker 2: in front of them, they almost want to monopolize that
Speaker 2: microphone for themselves. Sometimes it's like hand the microphone to
Speaker 2: the next person, listen to them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, one of the people running for council is Chris Smithman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's been there before. And Chris Smithman has been
Speaker 1: seeing what's been going on, not just with the police chief,
Speaker 1: but a whole series of things. And he got to
Speaker 1: the point where he said, you know what, I got
Speaker 1: to step up. I can go back in there. I
Speaker 1: can bring some common sense to all these proceedings. I've
Speaker 1: been there before. I know what I'm doing. And Chris
Speaker 1: Smitheman didn't need to run for city council. No, I
Speaker 1: mean this. You talk about a guy who feels a
Speaker 1: sense of civic duty.
Speaker 2: Well, and I really think that's what's driving him.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm good friends with Chris Smitherman personally,
Speaker 2: so full disclosure there. But you know, you go back
Speaker 2: to what I described, like Geene Ruleman and Ted Berry
Speaker 2: caring about the city, and that was it. Chris Smitherman's
Speaker 2: in that category. I think. So Christopher is not looking
Speaker 2: for a higher office, not looking to grandstand. He's looking
Speaker 2: out for the city of Cincinnati, and that's the positive.
Speaker 2: And that's when you get people like that. And there
Speaker 2: are a few other people we can talk about running
Speaker 2: in that category. I think that will make the change,
Speaker 2: you know, onto un city council at least, you know,
Speaker 2: and hopefully in the mayor offs. I think Corey Bowman,
Speaker 2: you know, is concerned about the city as well well.
Speaker 1: And and Liz Keating, I think the time that she
Speaker 1: spent on city council, right, she she brought a voice
Speaker 1: of reasonableness to city council. And then look and she
Speaker 1: worked across the aisle on a lot of different issues, right,
Speaker 1: And I remember there there were times stuff that I
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily agree with. But you know what he did
Speaker 1: is she came on, she came on my show, she
Speaker 1: came on this rate all with with this radio station,
Speaker 1: a lot of different shows, and you ask her what,
Speaker 1: you know, why did you do what you did? And
Speaker 1: she would say, well, here's why, and boom boom boom,
Speaker 1: and she'd explain. You could hold an intelligent conversation. She
Speaker 1: didn't run from it, didn't try to hide from it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other other former council member running Steve
Speaker 2: Gooden as well, Steve Steve's was on council and was
Speaker 2: running again. And interesting if you look at the Smitherman
Speaker 2: Keating good and you know Trio, you have an independent,
Speaker 2: you have a Republican, and you have a charter right
Speaker 2: there you go, And you know what I can see.
Speaker 2: I know, you know, I know all three of them.
Speaker 2: They'll work well together, you know. And they're not it's
Speaker 2: not political ideog ideogs in this. And you know, in
Speaker 2: a certain sense of people, if you really think about it,
Speaker 2: you know, this whole Democrat Republican shouldn't really matter when
Speaker 2: it comes to the City of Cincinnati positics. People are
Speaker 2: generally Republicans or Democrats because of national politics.
Speaker 1: Well, the one thing that Chris Smitherman talks about, and
Speaker 1: I think really the parties ought to be talking about
Speaker 1: it a little bit more, uh is and and if
Speaker 1: you look at the Hamilton County UH sample ballot, UH
Speaker 1: they talk about vote for only three members of council. Yes,
Speaker 1: Chris Smitheman says, vote for maybe four or five that
Speaker 1: you like because because of the top nine vote getters
Speaker 1: get in. So and he makes a good point that
Speaker 1: if if you if you vote for nine, your vote
Speaker 1: gets watered down a little bit. If you vote for
Speaker 1: only three or four or five, then your vote has
Speaker 1: a little bit more.
Speaker 2: Now if you, yeah, really vote for the people, and
Speaker 2: that's important. You know, it is a field race, and
Speaker 2: you're part of the field race. Aspect is you don't
Speaker 2: have to vote for all number of votes that you
Speaker 2: are allowed up to nine and for citiz Cincinnati City Council,
Speaker 2: because think about it, if I vote want three people,
Speaker 2: really I vote for those three and I stop because
Speaker 2: I would hate for my person to lose by one vote,
Speaker 2: and that one vote was the that was the fourth
Speaker 2: or fifth vote I did on my ballot, right, you
Speaker 2: don't want that, you and you know it's almost that
Speaker 2: in a certain sense, doubling your vote. If you don't vote,
Speaker 2: if you vote for three or four as opposed to nine,
Speaker 2: you're almost doubling your vote because you' not giving votes
Speaker 2: to other candidates who might slip by your really preferred candidates.
Speaker 2: And that's the way to do these races, you know.
Speaker 2: And interesting when you have these field races, it doesn't
Speaker 2: take all that many votes to win. You don't have
Speaker 2: to be number one vote getter's top nine vote geters.
Speaker 2: And you know what they call the person who got
Speaker 2: the most votes versus the person who came in number nine, councilman,
Speaker 2: council member. That's it same. So it's no difference. And
Speaker 2: you know, you look at the past numbers. Back in
Speaker 2: four years ago, twenty twenty one, there were about thirty
Speaker 2: two thirty three people running. You know, the number nine
Speaker 2: vot geter was list keating with sixteen seven hundred votes
Speaker 2: in the city of Cincinnati. So there you go, that's
Speaker 2: doable on and with twenty six people running, it opens
Speaker 2: it up a lot. It's not ten people running with
Speaker 2: we have two years ago, which then then it was
Speaker 2: just people part of voting the Democrat Party slate Jared Amelia,
Speaker 2: how are you tonight? Hey? Jim?
Speaker 9: Is this y?
Speaker 2: Yeah? This is you, Jim. What's going on?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 9: Did you hear that interview with the police chief's brother
Speaker 9: with cunning had today?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I've heard.
Speaker 1: I've heard him on a couple of times, and he
Speaker 1: is he is the one a great job, I think
Speaker 1: speaking on behalf of his sister.
Speaker 9: But he was talking about disrespect and.
Speaker 2: Then there's a lot of that going on.
Speaker 9: And a couple of weeks ago, Counningham prepared the police
Speaker 9: chief like some Dutch boy paint, saying on a paint
Speaker 9: can do you remember that?
Speaker 2: No? I don't, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't remember Cunningham comparing the police chief to the
Speaker 1: dutch boy paint. Can I don't. I don't think that's happening.
Speaker 1: Look teresag to my way of thinking. She there was
Speaker 1: a couple of them, and we talked about this earlier
Speaker 1: a couple of times when she didn't do herself any
Speaker 1: favor by the comments that she made. But I think
Speaker 1: when you look at the body of work that she
Speaker 1: has put in as police chief, really, I really don't
Speaker 1: know how you can how you can find fault with
Speaker 1: She wouldn't have been the police chief as long as
Speaker 1: she has been if she was not trying to work
Speaker 1: within the guidelines that this administration later or.
Speaker 2: The restrictions that I guess restriction is a better word.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 2: And the thing is with the police chief is yeah,
Speaker 2: you even agree or disagree. Maybe you had big criticism
Speaker 2: the way Aftab and share a long city manager have
Speaker 2: handled this has been just a textbook of how what
Speaker 2: not to do well.
Speaker 1: The other component of this is that the mayor has not,
Speaker 1: to my knowledge, has not made any overtures or any
Speaker 1: effort at all to talk with the judges in Hamilton
Speaker 1: County and say, look, we need you to keep these
Speaker 1: people locked up, be.
Speaker 2: More serious, be more get rid of your progressive politics.
Speaker 2: But the protat has not has not gone problem. Understand,
Speaker 2: the Democrat Party nationally and the Democrat Party locally has
Speaker 2: become has been hijacked or taken over by that anti police,
Speaker 2: rehabilitative justice whatever that means. That that no bonds, low bonds.
Speaker 1: I want you to figure out what that because I
Speaker 1: was going to ask you what that means, restored restored justice.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not with an answer. It's not your fault.
Speaker 1: That's what it means. It's not your fault. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: I think about that again. We'll have a coherent answer
Speaker 1: on that on the other side. But we got to
Speaker 1: get to a break right now. Ten twenty five. It
Speaker 1: is the Thursday night edition of the Midweek Crisis on
Speaker 1: seven hundred WW.
Speaker 2: This is Jeff for tri statement.
Speaker 1: Back on the Big One seven hundred W l W
Speaker 1: ten thirty eight. This is the Thursday night edition of
Speaker 1: the midweek Crisis, Dan Carrol, Kurt Hartman hanging out and
Speaker 1: talking about election and we're looking looking at the judges
Speaker 1: right now. You know, there's our buddy. Andrew Pappus says
Speaker 1: all the time that you really need to when it
Speaker 1: comes to elections, even though this is an off year election.
Speaker 1: There you know you're not voting for president. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't have a governor's race. I don't think we
Speaker 1: have any state issues on the ballot. He always talks
Speaker 1: about your MIC's not on there, you go there, you
Speaker 1: got I am here, I heard you and no one
Speaker 1: else here. But he always makes the point that local
Speaker 1: elections are the most important ones and you really need
Speaker 1: to get out of effect.
Speaker 2: You on a day to day Basi's more so than
Speaker 2: any other election, but so much.
Speaker 1: When I talked to Ken Kober, the head of the FOP,
Speaker 1: our conversation almost every single time turns to the frustration
Speaker 1: that Cincinnati police have because of people who commit crimes,
Speaker 1: go into the system and then get let out to do.
Speaker 2: What to commit more crime? Yeah, And.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is it seems to me
Speaker 1: that this was not the way things were fifteen.
Speaker 2: Or twenty or thirty years ago.
Speaker 1: It seems to me that you and we were joking
Speaker 1: about it before we went to the break about that.
Speaker 1: You know, we have so many of these judges who
Speaker 1: believe in this restorative justice or whatever that term is.
Speaker 1: And it's how does this kind of thinking make its
Speaker 1: way into people who wind up on the bench.
Speaker 2: Because if you really look, and it's true across academia,
Speaker 2: in the universities, in law schools, I really think in
Speaker 2: over the past decades, since the late nineteen sixties, there's
Speaker 2: been this systemic infiltration of the universities by the far
Speaker 2: left Marxists. They become the educators. They then throw these
Speaker 2: concepts out. You know when I when I was in
Speaker 2: law school in the early nineties, you know, we already
Speaker 2: had those classes law and the law and the women
Speaker 2: with law. In this law it's really not how to
Speaker 2: practice law. It was more this attitude towards the law.
Speaker 2: But it should be. But when you get when you
Speaker 2: got Marxist who are anti American, dead set on undermining
Speaker 2: and really overthrowing the American system, the Western civilization, they
Speaker 2: start propagandizing this and they started at the undergraduate level.
Speaker 2: You go to graduate school, when you get it there
Speaker 2: and you know, it creates the you know, law is
Speaker 2: white privilege, Law is creating victims out of you, et cetera,
Speaker 2: as opposed to law is yearning. Yeah, not perfect, but
Speaker 2: the yearning in terms of equality and equal opportunity, equal treatment.
Speaker 2: They don't see it as that. And again it goes
Speaker 2: back to I really believe it goes back to in
Speaker 2: aspects of power, when governmental political and governmental power over
Speaker 2: other people's lives. And so when you go through a
Speaker 2: system like that, you know, and you create this brainwashing
Speaker 2: in doctor nation, whatever you want to call it, you
Speaker 2: get those people out in the legal profession. You know,
Speaker 2: I need to upset, be disruptive of what used the
Speaker 2: law to be a disruptor because it's racism, it's patriarchy,
Speaker 2: it's you know, use whatever cliche phrase they use. And
Speaker 2: then you get people. We get that. Like I said,
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party today both nationally and locally, has been
Speaker 2: taken over or is now the progressive wing of that
Speaker 2: party that is the mainstream Democratic Party, and they put
Speaker 2: forth people for these offices, both on city council as
Speaker 2: well a it's on the bench that have this attitude
Speaker 2: that I'm here to change the whole system, right, you know,
Speaker 2: as opposed to improving the system. They don't want to
Speaker 2: improve the system, they want to change the system. But
Speaker 2: who does that serve though? I think about that, and
Speaker 2: I have no doubt that there was a time in
Speaker 2: this country when minorities, black individuals, or if you were
Speaker 2: a non white person, they had their their time in court.
Speaker 2: And I think there's probably a lot of defendants who
Speaker 2: got railroads certain in different ways.
Speaker 1: I'll agree with you absolutely, but and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of those issues have been addressed. I would imagine
Speaker 1: there are pockets of it where it happens. I like
Speaker 1: to think that it didn't happen that much in Hamilton County,
Speaker 1: at least in the in the experience. And I like
Speaker 1: to think that we've been lucky. And I talked to
Speaker 1: uh uh to uh some different judges about this over
Speaker 1: over the time, over time, and I think we've been
Speaker 1: lucky in Hamilton County that we've had a lot of
Speaker 1: people who took people at the courthouse, you know, judges
Speaker 1: and prosecutors who took their job seriously and you know,
Speaker 1: didn't provide any favors for those who were connected and
Speaker 1: then didn't screw people over who you know, weren't part
Speaker 1: of a certain class a.
Speaker 2: Day, didn't meets a certain check mark. State boxes justice.
Speaker 1: Really, I think we we strove to have justice really
Speaker 1: be blinds. But but but if if you have, if
Speaker 1: you have all these past wrongs and then and then
Speaker 1: you have defendants come before you today, how does it
Speaker 1: serve those who were wronged in the past by cutting
Speaker 1: a brake or being lenient to those who commit crimes today?
Speaker 1: And a perfect example is this dude, Shaquille Ferguson. He
Speaker 1: was in court today and there's going to be He's
Speaker 1: going to be held on I mean no bond. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Shaquille Ferguson violated his probation on a on a
Speaker 1: felony conviction just three months ago. So this dude was
Speaker 1: convicted of a felony three months ago, and yet he's
Speaker 1: free to run around Fountain Square and open fire into
Speaker 1: a restaurant and only by the grace of God, no
Speaker 1: one was no one was killed in that shooting. But
Speaker 1: you know, how does it serve how does it serve
Speaker 1: you know, the people of Cincinnati well or Hamilton County
Speaker 1: that this guy, after being just convicted on a felony
Speaker 1: conviction is out running the streets.
Speaker 2: Well, let me experience from the bench, right, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was recent actually, I was recently talking to one of
Speaker 2: my former colleagues who's still on the bench about this recently,
Speaker 2: and this judge that pointed out and it was true
Speaker 2: when I was there is you know, there's the state law.
Speaker 2: We're bound by as judges to follow the law. And
Speaker 2: the law you know, everybody who's convicted of a felony
Speaker 2: doesn't get sent to prison. Yeah, when I when I
Speaker 2: was there, you know, we have five levels of felonies, first, second, third, fourth,
Speaker 2: and fifth degree felonies. When I was on the bench,
Speaker 2: if you got convicted of a fourth or fifth degree felony,
Speaker 2: which are the lower level felonies, there was a presumption
Speaker 2: that you should be based placed on probation. And it
Speaker 2: was really difficult, nearly impossible, if you will, to send
Speaker 2: somebody like that to prison for a fourth or a
Speaker 2: fifth degree felony was a presumption you place them on probation.
Speaker 2: Third degree felony. At that time, it was neither presumption
Speaker 2: first or second degree felony presumption to send them to prison.
Speaker 2: So depending upon what they're convicted of as a felony,
Speaker 2: matters there since I've been there. There was a program
Speaker 2: in I don't have the details, but t CAP where
Speaker 2: the state was even putting more restrictions on the ability
Speaker 2: of judges to send people to prison, to be honest
Speaker 2: with you, and part of it is the sentencing structure
Speaker 2: in state law handicaps the judges in certain instances that
Speaker 2: even on a third degree felony, now it is difficult
Speaker 2: to send somebody to prison because that's what the law mandates,
Speaker 2: and that the Prison Bureau of Prisons will not be
Speaker 2: taking people in those instances. So just because they're convicted
Speaker 2: of felony again, you got to get better fact what
Speaker 2: their history is. You've got to develop what their whole
Speaker 2: history is. But you know, person point judge pointing out
Speaker 2: to me, if somebody comes before them, you know, having
Speaker 2: a what we call having a weapon that's under disability,
Speaker 2: that they have a prior felony conviction, if that felony
Speaker 2: conviction was they as a juvenile, that's all you know.
Speaker 2: You have no clue. You cannot get any records or
Speaker 2: information about what their juvenile record was other than they
Speaker 2: were had this juvenile adjudication, and you have no clue.
Speaker 2: The violent whether it's violent or not, whether a gun
Speaker 2: was involved, and that becomes a third degree felony, and
Speaker 2: they can't and they're getting that prep all those records expunge.
Speaker 2: Now juvenile records not expunge, but they're sealed or they're
Speaker 2: you can't get out, you can't, there's limited access. You
Speaker 2: you can know what they what they were convicted of
Speaker 2: or Adjudicated's not a conviction in juvenile called they were
Speaker 2: adjudicated delinquent based on this type of offense. But that's
Speaker 2: about it. That all they know. And so the information
Speaker 2: they have if they come as a twenty year old
Speaker 2: in front of the judge having this weapon because and
Speaker 2: can't have a weapon because of their juvenile judication, that's
Speaker 2: all the judge knows. And that's really not enough under
Speaker 2: the law to send them to prison. And so part
Speaker 2: of the the structure is what the General Assembly, the
Speaker 2: legislative state legislature has dictated to the judges. So the
Speaker 2: fact that you know the fact that what the real
Speaker 2: issue comes in, and this is where the municipal court
Speaker 2: races are important, is setting bonds when they are arrested
Speaker 2: before their conviction. You know, we got a lot of judges.
Speaker 2: A lot of the liberal progressive judges on the municipal
Speaker 2: court bed which where the bonds are set, are very deferential.
Speaker 2: Just you promised to come back to court, Okay, no
Speaker 2: bond or one hundred dollars or a ten percent bond,
Speaker 2: and they're in and out. And that's you know, And
Speaker 2: that's why these municipal court races here in the off
Speaker 2: years that are coming up are so important, because those
Speaker 2: are the judges that do the initial appearance, the initial arraignment,
Speaker 2: set the bonds initially. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it was Berklewooz who was on with Cunningham
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and he was talking about
Speaker 1: all the empty beds at.
Speaker 2: The Hamilton count Justice Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that used to I know a few years ago
Speaker 1: it was Todd. They were talking about how they've got
Speaker 1: crowd Yeah, over crowded. You've got you know, three or
Speaker 1: four or five dudes in a cell that was built
Speaker 1: for two or three.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But he and back then and that's not the case.
Speaker 2: That's not the case. But back then it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: you can't send everybody one. There's the presumption of innocence
Speaker 2: if you're accused of a crime. You're presumed innocence, but
Speaker 2: there are other factors that go into it, the seriousness
Speaker 2: of the charge, the strength of the evidence against the person. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, in public safety, you know, you know, and
Speaker 2: part of that obligation is on the prosecutors to know
Speaker 2: about the case. One time, and I was doing how
Speaker 2: many how many crimes are on video?
Speaker 1: When when I heard that Marty Brennaman's statue, yes, was
Speaker 1: was vandalized it Great American Ballpark over the weekend. The
Speaker 1: first thing I said, I said, They've got to have
Speaker 1: video cameras down there. They've got to have surveillance cameras
Speaker 1: down there. And then sure enough, twelve hours later, here's
Speaker 1: the video of the dude, you know, some thirteen year
Speaker 1: old kids breaking a statue down there.
Speaker 2: But I saw the mother said keep him in. The
Speaker 2: mother the old saw I thank you, mom. I just
Speaker 2: saw a headline or something on a story on that.
Speaker 2: Thank you mom. Yeah, thank thank you.
Speaker 10: But you know, no, no, and you know, and you know,
Speaker 10: I've set bonds before when I was on the bench
Speaker 10: and you know, doing arraignments, and every now and then
Speaker 10: it's like, okay, the one time, I remember one guy
Speaker 10: had an attorney with him and his attorneys arguing for
Speaker 10: a lower bond.
Speaker 2: Oh we want this, And it's like I opened the
Speaker 2: rule that said, here's factors a b C D to consider,
Speaker 2: and one of those factors was the strength of the evidence.
Speaker 2: I do the prosecutor, what evidence do you have? I
Speaker 2: don't know, Judge, And it's like, wait a minute, that's
Speaker 2: one of the factors I'm supposed to consider in terms
Speaker 2: of setting bond. And you don't know. Well, when the
Speaker 2: prosecution says, I don't know, Judge, that's that's a problem exactly.
Speaker 2: And I gave guy you know, and then you know,
Speaker 2: I remember another you know, and I remember another time
Speaker 2: I d got request to reduce bond. I said, remember
Speaker 2: this mother comes in. Uh, I forget if she was worked.
Speaker 2: I think she worked either for the I think she
Speaker 2: worked for the federal government, either Post office or or
Speaker 2: something like that. And she comes in and she's like, Judge,
Speaker 2: he's the black sheep of this family. I got two
Speaker 2: good daughters, ones in the military, ones who I'm trying.
Speaker 2: But she was a very responsible mother, and I reduced
Speaker 2: the bond. But because I trusted the mother, and it
Speaker 2: worked out fine. But you know, so you've got a factor.
Speaker 2: You can't send everybody who's arrested just to hold them
Speaker 2: in jail till they go to trial, you know, because
Speaker 2: that underminds presumption of innocence. But you've got to fake
Speaker 2: way these facts and it's difficult as a judge, It
Speaker 2: is difficult, and you know, I know.
Speaker 1: But it just seems like it gets to the point
Speaker 1: where not everyone is on the same team.
Speaker 2: I agree with you there, the consistency, the standards, the expectations.
Speaker 1: I know so many police officers who are on the
Speaker 1: street who are constantly running in and arresting the same
Speaker 1: people over and over.
Speaker 2: And over again.
Speaker 1: That yeah, and they and they go in front of
Speaker 1: whatever judge in Hamilton County, throw down a hundo and
Speaker 1: they're on their way out the door.
Speaker 2: Hey, you were out on bond and then you committed
Speaker 2: another crime and now you're back and for it. Bam,
Speaker 2: your bond's.
Speaker 1: Higher and you cut off your ankle monitor and and
Speaker 1: you know it's no one knew about it.
Speaker 2: I agree that that, you know, you know, it's kind
Speaker 2: of one one for me, one shame on you for me,
Speaker 2: twice shame on me. That's kind of the attitude. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I had you. Like I said, you want to be
Speaker 2: respectful of that presumption of innocence. You want to try
Speaker 2: to apply the rules and the standards they give you.
Speaker 2: And you know that's that's the way the system should work.
Speaker 2: It's not perfect, you know, I mean, Heaven forbid, you know,
Speaker 2: and your part in the back of your mind, you
Speaker 2: always well, if I let this guy out on bond,
Speaker 2: is he what if he goes and does something? You see?
Speaker 2: I mean, just what you just said.
Speaker 1: It seems to me that a lot of judges don't
Speaker 1: take that into consideration at all.
Speaker 2: No, I don't.
Speaker 1: This person's going to get out and go and recaving
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Speaker 2: Where are you from in Claremont County, Alice? What part
Speaker 2: of Claremont County, Amelia? That's the area I grew up
Speaker 2: decades ago.
Speaker 5: And yes, I left Cincinnati when I saw the direction
Speaker 5: the city was going in. Uh, And I'm proud of
Speaker 5: that decision. Now, question, we have all these juveniles who
Speaker 5: are running around and they've been given curfews, they've had
Speaker 5: midnight basketball, art and craft classes, and I'm wondering, why
Speaker 5: can't the parents be brought in to be held responsible.
Speaker 5: These kids are a result of poor parenting. Why can't
Speaker 5: bring the parents in and hit them in pocket books?
Speaker 5: Parents have to be responsible. They brought them into the world.
Speaker 6: Parents.
Speaker 1: I know that's been talked about from time to time.
Speaker 1: Is that is there is there a way to make
Speaker 1: that work in reality? Is there a way that you
Speaker 1: think that something like that could work to really hard I'm.
Speaker 2: Thinking thinking there Alice Partially, I mean when you have
Speaker 2: when they go through the juvenile court system. I never
Speaker 2: I don't practice in juvenile court. Uh. But you know,
Speaker 2: the parents should be there as part of the case.
Speaker 2: And I would expect, I would hope, but I'm not
Speaker 2: convinced with at least one of our juvenal court judges.
Speaker 2: That's something. Sometimes it's not lecturing the juveniles, it's lecturing
Speaker 2: the parents. I'm kind of putting standards on the parents
Speaker 2: there and then and you know, you know, you're kind
Speaker 2: of a family judge. You're fine kind of trying to
Speaker 2: do this, you know, but also on you know, on
Speaker 2: the counterview, and I agree with Alice in terms of
Speaker 2: parents need to be helped be responsible. I'm also cautious
Speaker 2: that I don't want the government always coming in and
Speaker 2: telling a parent how to parent either, because that's a
Speaker 2: that's a slipper, that's a slippery, slippery slope. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean in some places not I think
Speaker 2: in Oregon and Washington State. Maybe you know, it's child
Speaker 2: abuse if your child wants to change gender and you,
Speaker 2: as a parent, say no, because the government is coming
Speaker 2: in and saying we know what's best for your child, You,
Speaker 2: the parent, don't coming and that's that s the pretty
Speaker 2: and you know it's it's like so it's a fine line.
Speaker 2: You know, how much do you tell the parent you're
Speaker 2: not being a good parent. You and I might see it,
Speaker 2: but you know, and it's saying you don't want people
Speaker 2: the right to make mistakes. But it's sad and it's
Speaker 2: problematic when parents are making the mistakes and how the
Speaker 2: raising children it's one thing when they make the mistake
Speaker 2: and effects only themselves. So but I think in terms
Speaker 2: of the juvenile court system, I think we need to
Speaker 2: be more aggressive. I think we get this attitude of well,
Speaker 2: you're only a child, you don't understand. I'm sorry. You know,
Speaker 2: kids younger and younger they get they are smarter and
Speaker 2: smarter each each year.
Speaker 1: We go along right and sometimes not in a good way. Alice,
Speaker 1: we got to run, we got to get to a break.
Speaker 1: But as always, I appreciate you listening. I appreciate you
Speaker 1: picking up.
Speaker 6: The thank you, thank you out.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next time.
Speaker 1: So Alice and Claremont County, uh, one of my absolute favorites.
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Speaker 1: It's the Thursday night edition of the Midweek Crisis. Dan
Speaker 1: kle or Kurt Hartman with you till midnight tonight talking elections.
Speaker 1: I am not on the air between now and election day.
Speaker 2: So I had to do it tonight.
Speaker 1: Otherwise, if people didn't listen to me, how would they
Speaker 1: know who to vote for?
Speaker 2: How would they know? How would they know?
Speaker 1: How would they know who to vote for? It was
Speaker 1: like when I was in TV and it would snow,
Speaker 1: and then you go outside and sell people. Hey, it's
Speaker 1: snowing outside, tell me something, you know. The one thing
Speaker 1: when I was on TV when it when it was
Speaker 1: snowing outside, I never told people and I never said, hey, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, stay home if you if you can stay home.
Speaker 1: I never said that because it's it's it's not up
Speaker 1: to me to tell you to stay home. They what
Speaker 1: I would say, though, I would say, look, you gotta
Speaker 1: this is one of those days the snow was really bad.
Speaker 1: I would say, this is one of those days where
Speaker 1: you have to evaluate yourself as a driver if you drive.
Speaker 1: If you're a good driver in the snow, then then
Speaker 1: have at it. But if you're not good, then then
Speaker 1: think about it before you go out. Is how I
Speaker 1: would I would set it up.
Speaker 2: However, I think I'm pretty good driver in the snow.
Speaker 2: That's not my that's not my criteria. My criteria is
Speaker 2: how are the other drivers? That's what I'm that's my favor.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you're a bad driver, be honest, if
Speaker 1: you look, I'm not a good driver in the snow,
Speaker 1: then no shame in staying home.
Speaker 2: But if only if only good drivers went out in
Speaker 2: the snow, I would be fine. The fact is, I
Speaker 2: know bad drivers in the snow go out in the snow, and.
Speaker 1: That's what concerns me. So that that kind of brings
Speaker 1: us full circle. We started talking about the snowplows. You know,
Speaker 1: we thought the snow flows were going to be the
Speaker 1: major issue this year, but it turned out, you know,
Speaker 1: crime and punishment and all that, all that stuff, and
Speaker 1: now we got complete chaos at city hall. It's an
Speaker 1: absolute mess, and the city manager is completely incompetent. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any question about that. So so we were
Speaker 1: talking about judge. So let me let me take you
Speaker 1: at one point on that.
Speaker 2: Just come up. I agree with your city manager is incompetent.
Speaker 2: We have nine members on city council. Have any of
Speaker 2: them called her out for her incompetence? Have any called
Speaker 2: out for her resignation? No?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, not none. To my way of thinking. You've got
Speaker 1: all the these nine members of council. You've got Albie Kramerding, Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: Scottie Johnson. Love you, Scottie Johnson, but you gotta go,
Speaker 1: brother jam Michelle lemon Kearney, Seth Walsh, meek Owens. See
Speaker 1: you get him out of there. It's not working. You
Speaker 1: need a change. Get him out of there. So I
Speaker 1: I am not endorsing any of them for a counsel.
Speaker 1: I'm endorsing Smitherman. I'm gonna endor endorse Keating. I like,
Speaker 1: I like Stephan Pryor. To Stephan Pryor. Look, this is
Speaker 1: the guy I met Stephan Pryor. Uh three or four
Speaker 1: years ago. I'm driving through Avondale and I see a
Speaker 1: sign in a person's yard and the sign reads, teach
Speaker 1: your son not to kill my son. I've already taught
Speaker 1: my son not to kill yours. And I'm thinking, man,
Speaker 1: that is a provocative sign. Hey, this this is a
Speaker 1: and and I said, I got to find out who
Speaker 1: put that sign out and get him on the show.
Speaker 1: And it turns out with Stephan Pryor, who was the
Speaker 1: son of Aaron Pryor the Hawk. Yes, and So I've
Speaker 1: had Stephan on the show a number of times. And
Speaker 1: this is a guy who who who walks the walk.
Speaker 1: He's been out on the street working with young people,
Speaker 1: trying to convince him that there's a better way to
Speaker 1: settle your arguments, settle your disputes than then picking up
Speaker 1: a gun. And he's done things like he he'll he'll
Speaker 1: have kids go up to Eden Park and in the
Speaker 1: in the reflecting pool there, he'll they'll they'll do radio
Speaker 1: controlled boats. And I mean he's put boxing events together.
Speaker 1: He's done all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2: He walks the wall. He does he doesn't talk to talk,
Speaker 2: he walks the way. He's out there on the street.
Speaker 1: And I remember when when the city came up with
Speaker 1: these auditioning different initiatives to try and come back gun violence,
Speaker 1: and I and they, I don't know. They had some
Speaker 1: couple of guys came in from California and said, oh,
Speaker 1: we got this great plan, you know, and it's only
Speaker 1: going to cost you fifty or sixty thousand dollars and
Speaker 1: pay us his money and we'll put this play. They
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. And I said, why didn't they talk
Speaker 1: to you? You're out there, you're talking with the kids
Speaker 1: on the street. You know what, you know what's going on.
Speaker 1: But no, they didn't want to talk to a guy
Speaker 1: like him.
Speaker 2: Because it goes back to my comment the last last
Speaker 2: half hour. We got these people in city Hall who
Speaker 2: talk to people. We're the smartest people. We're telling you
Speaker 2: what you need to think and do as opposed to
Speaker 2: listening to people. And that's that's reiterates that point.
Speaker 1: The Republican endorsed candidates for city Council are Gary Favors
Speaker 1: and Linda Matthews, as well as well as Liz Keith
Speaker 1: and Liz Keating. I do not so we already endorsed
Speaker 1: Liz Keating. I do not know anything about Gary Favors.
Speaker 2: What do you know about Linda Linda. I know Linda
Speaker 2: has been involved in the party, very supportive and been
Speaker 2: out there and involved. So I think Linda again heart
Speaker 2: of concern to the community as well. So I think
Speaker 2: then Linda would be a serious person. Though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the most part, I think we need serious
Speaker 1: people on city Council.
Speaker 2: I think we need Yeah, I think in a certain
Speaker 2: sense we need serious people. I think we also need
Speaker 2: it would be healthy to get different viewpoints on city Council. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe not even people I necessarily agree with one hundred
Speaker 2: percent or ninety percent of the time. I think you
Speaker 2: need people are who are going to ask the critical questions,
Speaker 2: and that's really what I think would be healthy, you know.
Speaker 2: And again, call out the city manager and call for
Speaker 2: a resignation if you think she's as opposed to just
Speaker 2: sit there so docile on city Council and not saying
Speaker 2: anything because oh we're all Democrats and I'm not allowed
Speaker 2: to say anything. I'm sorry, people, your priority should be
Speaker 2: the City of Cincinnati, not your political party, you know,
Speaker 2: and that's important there, you know, you talk about who
Speaker 2: else I would point out. I think Steve Gooden would
Speaker 2: be good to get back to get back back on
Speaker 2: city Council as well, So you know, there's there's four
Speaker 2: or five of them out there with that, I think.
Speaker 2: And like you said, you don't have to vote on
Speaker 2: nine and shouldn't vote on nine. Put more punch in
Speaker 2: the four or five votes that you do, not not
Speaker 2: nine votes. That just waters down your votes. And so
Speaker 2: I think that and again hopefully people, I'm just sorry
Speaker 2: people cannot be happy with the statu quo in the
Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati. It would just it would dumbfound me
Speaker 2: for people to say things are going right, it's the
Speaker 2: right direction, and therefore people it is time for a change.
Speaker 1: Please not I would I would like to be talking
Speaker 1: about something different. Look, I don't talk about the city
Speaker 1: politics or what happens in the city on every show,
Speaker 1: but when I do talk about it, it seems like
Speaker 1: it's always the same thing. I would like to be
Speaker 1: talking about. When when the street car was happening, I
Speaker 1: talked about the street car all the time.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 1: Milton Dhoney was a city manager, then what what what
Speaker 1: a mess?
Speaker 2: That guy was?
Speaker 1: What an absolute carpet begger. He was Josh Burkle at City,
Speaker 1: County or Municipal Court district. For yes, that's a competitive
Speaker 1: district that you know in Hamilton Judge's he comes on
Speaker 1: this radio station dushod with with Cunningham time to time,
Speaker 1: and the guy's fantastic.
Speaker 2: And he's out there in the community. He's not in
Speaker 2: this ivory tower of the courthouse, which is it's good
Speaker 2: you're out there. You kind of know what's going on.
Speaker 2: You get a feel for what's going on the street. Now,
Speaker 2: should realize in Hamilton County or municipal court elections are
Speaker 2: not county wide. So we have districts in Hamilton County
Speaker 2: for municipal courts. So they got drawn up in the
Speaker 2: late eighties, early nineties. I'm in Josh Burger Wisha's district.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure so and so yeah, so what what
Speaker 2: you had it was basically if a settlement of a
Speaker 2: Federal Voting Rights Act lawsuit, because back in the eighties
Speaker 2: and nineties when we were doing elections county wide, we
Speaker 2: weren't electing any African Americans to any judicial bench. And
Speaker 2: the kind of did a settlement to get hey, well,
Speaker 2: set up these districts, and some districts will be so
Speaker 2: heavily Democrat late eighties, early nineties. Really yeah, okay, I
Speaker 2: don't know, that's the late late Bill Mallory. Uh. Bill
Speaker 2: Mallory Senior was well, she's on common please, that's kind
Speaker 2: of John Westcott on the bench. Those are county wide,
Speaker 2: and I agree with you know, that's what you do,
Speaker 2: and you know they're fantasticcomms sense. But so we have
Speaker 2: these districts. So honestly, some districts are very strong Republican districts,
Speaker 2: some of the East west Side districts, some districts are
Speaker 2: very strong Democrats, and then some are kind of leaning
Speaker 2: one way or the other. Uh to two Republican districts
Speaker 2: are leaning Republican, but not overly whelmingly. And district for
Speaker 2: with Judge Burger, which is one of them. But but
Speaker 2: you know, he he is good, common sense, fair, fair
Speaker 2: in terms of bond setting, you know, but but recognizes
Speaker 2: and and it's been on the bench with that experience,
Speaker 2: you know. You know, interesting if you think about municipal
Speaker 2: court and you know, I did common pleas did the
Speaker 2: felony cases. Municipal courts we have the traffic offenses and
Speaker 2: the municipal and the misdemeanor offenses, you know, but what
Speaker 2: is the gateway to felony offenses are misdemeanors, Right, People
Speaker 2: start off and then they build out. And the good
Speaker 2: what makes a really good municipal court judge is having
Speaker 2: the defendant there in front of you. They just got
Speaker 2: convicted of something, and they have to assess is this
Speaker 2: a one time deal that I'm never going to see
Speaker 2: this person again, or is this the gateway that they're
Speaker 2: going to be a perpetual visitor. And that's where the
Speaker 2: judges of municipal court are so important and needing to
Speaker 2: have that experience to be able to if you will
Speaker 2: separate the week from the chaff. This is a one
Speaker 2: time fine. We'll take care of him and then for
Speaker 2: see him again versus I need to stop this person
Speaker 2: before it gets even more serious. And Judge Burke Woods
Speaker 2: is good in that regard. It's good in terms of
Speaker 2: setting bonds as well. We talked about that earlier. You know,
Speaker 2: when do you set a high bond? When don't you
Speaker 2: set a high bond? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How come there's no common please court. Those are even years,
Speaker 1: even years on common common pleas. All right, So what
Speaker 1: then when the common police one's coming around, we'll have
Speaker 1: to do another one of these.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely when that happens. And we got to get
Speaker 2: Betsy Sunderman in there. Yeah, she's in a district that's
Speaker 2: kind of Josh Burke Wish's district is kind of goes
Speaker 2: from and I'm going to miss them areas at Norwood
Speaker 2: and kind of neanders out into the eastern suburbs of
Speaker 2: and Township new Town and then I'm not sure exactly
Speaker 2: how it manders there. Betsy Sunderman's more in the northeast corner.
Speaker 2: Simms Township Sycamore Loveland area. So uh, those are the
Speaker 2: kind of the two areas that are the big contested
Speaker 2: races for municipal Court this year.
Speaker 1: Mike Peck and District six, Yeah, Central Saint Bernard area.
Speaker 1: Mike's been on.
Speaker 2: Mike was a prosecutor. He's actually one of the prosecutors,
Speaker 2: my room prosecutor. When I was on the bench, I
Speaker 2: got to know Mike very well. They're very good, very professional,
Speaker 2: does a good job on the bench.
Speaker 1: And then Gwen Bender District seven seven grand and former
Speaker 1: prosecutor as well. I got a point and then re elected,
Speaker 1: then elected to the bench, and that's her district. That
Speaker 1: is I think more than one of those west Side
Speaker 1: if I will safe Republican district. But you know, they all,
Speaker 1: all of the judges, all of them have that experience
Speaker 1: both in terms of private and practice, the private practice
Speaker 1: whereas prosecutors and on the bench that you really is critical,
Speaker 1: especially I think on the municipal court bench more even
Speaker 1: more so than the common Police bench. And then obviously
Speaker 1: for for mayor, it's it's time what what what the
Speaker 1: what does Aft tab Purval do if he's not if
Speaker 1: he's not in office or running for office.
Speaker 2: I will tell you this, if Aft tap pure Vote
Speaker 2: loses this election, he's got a law I think he's
Speaker 2: got he's got alaw degree from UC But I will
Speaker 2: tell you he will find another government job. That's what
Speaker 2: I find so amazing with people, either with people who
Speaker 2: are judges and lose the election or whatnot, you know,
Speaker 2: or you get appointed to something somewhere, some other job.
Speaker 2: You know, I look at you know, Tom Barredon who
Speaker 2: beat me and got on the Common Police bench for
Speaker 2: two years, lost that election.
Speaker 1: That's like more of a party function than anything else,
Speaker 1: isn't it to when when you if you get voted
Speaker 1: out of office, then you was all, they'll find a.
Speaker 2: Job for you. But you know, but or they're created.
Speaker 2: You know the Democrats, and the Democrats took over the
Speaker 2: Common Policeman, they start creating positions. I mean when I
Speaker 2: was there, we had we had one magistrate. Now they
Speaker 2: got like three or four magistrates and they still don't
Speaker 2: get stuff done. And it's like they just keep creating jobs.
Speaker 2: They created a job of a public information officer for
Speaker 2: the Common Police. Cort gave it to some Democrat party
Speaker 2: hack and could never figure out what she did. She
Speaker 2: got seventy eighty thousand dollars of a government job, create
Speaker 2: a job. Yeah, and then she ends up quitting and
Speaker 2: they never refill the position where she got fired or
Speaker 2: resigned or all the above. And it's like that's what
Speaker 2: they especially with the Democrats, that just create more jobs.
Speaker 2: And so if after word to lose this election, mark
Speaker 2: my words, he will get some government job somewhere. Now.
Speaker 2: There was rumors last year that he was looking for
Speaker 2: a position in the Biden administration, that he was going
Speaker 2: to leave town because he's not happy as mayor and
Speaker 2: go off to the Biden administration. Well, thankfully, thankfully that's
Speaker 2: not available for it. That took a job. The council
Speaker 2: member who was.
Speaker 1: And then and and then it was and it was
Speaker 1: it was like a month before the election.
Speaker 2: It was like summer, it was in the summer or something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: And then and then the election was over, Biden got
Speaker 1: voted out and that was the end of that job.
Speaker 2: Yes, I remember, I remember who he was.
Speaker 1: Who was I can't remember who that was, but I
Speaker 1: remember at the time thinking that was, why the heck
Speaker 1: why he probably not the greatest.
Speaker 2: Reggie Harris Cincinnati Council. Remember Reggie Harris resigns and takes
Speaker 2: a job in the Biden administration. This was in let
Speaker 2: me see, this is an article from September of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. So he took a job in the Department
Speaker 2: of Housing and Urban Development. Yeah, for two months, three months,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean it. He called a I used
Speaker 2: to call Reggie up and say, so, how was that?
Speaker 2: It's on the resume. Now it takes you two to
Speaker 2: three months to figure out where the bathrooms are? Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: you figured out where at the Hut office where the
Speaker 2: bathrooms are. Now, what are you gonna do? So, I
Speaker 2: mean maybe they were so confident they were gonna win.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, never have you seen those
Speaker 2: office buildings in d C.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean the outside is some of the ugliest
Speaker 1: buildings in the world. Some of those different you know,
Speaker 1: the Department's Department of Labor and you know, Housing and
Speaker 1: Urban Development and you know whatever other departments are there.
Speaker 1: So some of them are Yeah, the modern sides are amazing. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know, the outside look like amazing. When it was
Speaker 1: I was up in I think it was February of
Speaker 1: last year. I was up there and went to conference
Speaker 1: and I was across the river over in Crystal City,
Speaker 1: which had all these office buildings, and it was amazing
Speaker 1: to me most of them were empty.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean that's the thing, you know, that, and
Speaker 2: that it was kind of a legacy of work from home,
Speaker 2: you know. After with COVID, everything worked from home and
Speaker 2: until Trump came in. When Trump came in, he finally said, hey,
Speaker 2: you're coming back into work. I remember people were having
Speaker 2: conniptions about that. Yeah, oh I got to go back
Speaker 2: into the office. Oh no. And it was amazing. I mean,
Speaker 2: I remember I'd been in Crystal City before and then
Speaker 2: like during the day it was busy and this, and
Speaker 2: I was there during the work day and busy. It's
Speaker 2: not busy anymore. It's like nobody's here. It was almost
Speaker 2: a remember.
Speaker 1: Reading stories about, you know, employees of the federal government
Speaker 1: who worked in d C but but were able to
Speaker 1: work from home. They you know, they bought property in
Speaker 1: Utah or something, and they're doing their job in Utah.
Speaker 1: Now they got to go back into the elbe I
Speaker 1: can't travel from Utah.
Speaker 2: Or you had people having two or three full time
Speaker 2: jobs working remotely. They're working somewhere else. Full time jobs
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh my gosh. And you know, now
Speaker 2: with the government shut down, with the federal government, you know,
Speaker 2: there's actually the Office of Management Budget is looking to
Speaker 2: basically furlough a lot of employees, saying you're not essential,
Speaker 2: we don't need you anymore, your positions eliminated. And some
Speaker 2: federal judge somewhere and said, no, you're not allowed to
Speaker 2: do that. Let me microman me as a federal judge,
Speaker 2: micromanage the executive branch of government. Some of these federal
Speaker 2: judges think they're just in charge of everything. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: The worst one was up in Chicago recently. You know,
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of ICE protest against in all
Speaker 2: this and conflict and people attacking ICE officers, and so
Speaker 2: of course the liberals sue the ICE and saying, oh,
Speaker 2: you've got to let us do this. You can't. And
Speaker 2: this federal judge and Abiden appointee basically said to the
Speaker 2: director there in Chicago, not the national director, but you
Speaker 2: have to wear a body camera wherever you go. Oh,
Speaker 2: you got to do this, and you got to come
Speaker 2: in and meet with me every day at four point
Speaker 2: thirty and report what's happened that day. Every day this
Speaker 2: is a federal junds reasonable. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm
Speaker 2: sorry if somebody thinks, as a judge, you should be
Speaker 2: able to micromanage it that way you said, they say,
Speaker 2: here's the standards. I expect you to do it, and
Speaker 2: that's it, and it's self enforcing. If it's not being enforced,
Speaker 2: but to come in and report every day to the
Speaker 2: Principal's office if you will. I'm sorry. And you know,
Speaker 2: people talk about having respect for the rule of Bob
Speaker 2: forgot judiciary. We got to get to break.
Speaker 1: Decisions like that undermine respect for the rule of that
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Speaker 1: It's the Thursday night edition of The Midway Crisis. Dan Carrol,
Speaker 1: Kurt Hartman and I can't believe we're on the final
Speaker 1: segment already home stretch. So just let me let me
Speaker 1: start wrapping this up by standards and if you I
Speaker 1: want to get on board five one, three seven, the
Speaker 1: big one, if you want, forget everything else that we
Speaker 1: talked about tonight. You mentioned the curfew in passing earlier
Speaker 1: and if if you want one reason not to vote
Speaker 1: for any member of city council this year, think about this.
Speaker 1: This is the curfew that was passed. What's the date
Speaker 1: on this August sixth? Okay, so this date was signed
Speaker 1: by f Ted Purvle. I was down in Florida when
Speaker 1: when this thing got passed and I and I had
Speaker 1: my you know, it popped up on my ex feet.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh wow, the city council actually did something
Speaker 1: past the curfew, and they're getting serious about this. Got
Speaker 1: to keep kids, you know, off of the because you
Speaker 1: know the juveniles going crazy down there. Okay, So the
Speaker 1: curfew eighteen years of age. Then you got to be
Speaker 1: off the streets by eleven o'clock at night. Okay, and
Speaker 1: then you read a little bit further. I've got the
Speaker 1: ordinance right here in front of me. Okay. If and
Speaker 1: there's there's there's just a few exceptions. If you get
Speaker 1: busted by police and you're on the streets underage at night,
Speaker 1: a few they can't touch if you're accompanied by said
Speaker 1: miner's parent, guardian or other adult. Okay, So you can
Speaker 1: be under the age of eighteen and and the cops say, hey,
Speaker 1: you're in violation of the curfew. And then the kid
Speaker 1: can say, nope, nope, I'm in the company of Well,
Speaker 1: it's not my parent, it's not my guardian, but it's
Speaker 1: an adult.
Speaker 2: My adult gang banger friend with me. Yeah, twenty one
Speaker 2: years old. Check his ID.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, you're good to go if you're what's
Speaker 1: an emancipated.
Speaker 2: A teenager emancipated is that they have been declared emancipated
Speaker 2: from their parents. Yeah, so they are an independent and
Speaker 2: have all Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if you're emancipated, you're not subject to the curfew
Speaker 1: if you're exercising your First Amendment right, which.
Speaker 2: Includes the right of association. So I can associate with
Speaker 2: my gangbanger friends and hey, I'm associated with my bus,
Speaker 2: I'm with my homeboy over here, and hey, we're all
Speaker 2: good if we're associating.
Speaker 1: If you're on your way to or from work, they
Speaker 1: can't bust you for the curfew. If you're attending a
Speaker 1: school or church at eleven o'clock at night, then they
Speaker 1: can't bust you for the curfew.
Speaker 2: Matthew, eleven o'clock Mass, if you're well, that's eleven am Mass,
Speaker 2: not the eleven PM Mass.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I mean, this is if you're running
Speaker 1: an errand they can't bust you for the curfew.
Speaker 2: I'm running an errand to go buy drugs. Is that account?
Speaker 1: If you're involved in interstate travel through or beginning or
Speaker 1: terminating in the city, they can't bust you for the curfew.
Speaker 1: So you can say, hey, I'm I'm on my way
Speaker 1: to Atlanta. You can't bust me for the curfew. I'm
Speaker 1: on my way to Detroit with a car full of drugs.
Speaker 2: I'm going to force seventy one to go to Kentucky. Right,
Speaker 2: I'm driving into Kentucky. That's interstate travel. This is what
Speaker 2: This is an absolute joke, and we never aways. All
Speaker 2: nine members and the mayor sign this. All nine members.
Speaker 2: This was passed unanimously. Do you think there was any
Speaker 2: debate on it, anybody asked any question? I doubt it.
Speaker 1: But I know if I'm in city council, I'm raising
Speaker 1: hell about this, and one let's thinking, what are we doing?
Speaker 1: What kind of This is not a curfew. This is
Speaker 1: not going to do anything to keep kids off the street,
Speaker 1: juveniles who are raising hell at the banks.
Speaker 2: Does it get does it get put a quiver in
Speaker 2: the police to really control. No, it doesn't. No, this
Speaker 2: is nothing.
Speaker 1: And any kid who knows how to read can read
Speaker 1: this and say, you know what, Hey, I'm exercising my
Speaker 1: first Amendment. Right, you can't touch me, and then you're
Speaker 1: you are free to go and do whatever the hell
Speaker 1: you want. Right, So that right there is a reason
Speaker 1: not to vote. So so you combine that with the
Speaker 1: city manager saying we're gonna put you know, the curfew
Speaker 1: one on the food trucks is you know you're not
Speaker 1: you're not packed up and getting out of there by
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock. Boom, you got a big fine coming your way.
Speaker 1: But if you're a juvenile company by an adult, you're
Speaker 1: free to stay. You driving the food truck over there,
Speaker 1: Come on, Vamus.
Speaker 2: Time to go. I'm just I'm trying to combine the two.
Speaker 2: If I working, what if I'm a juvenile working at
Speaker 2: the food truck, I mean, I don't yeah, I'm closing
Speaker 2: it up at night. I don't know. It's just, you know,
Speaker 2: it's gimmick greed that that's what we've had for the
Speaker 2: past four years from this mayor, for the past two years,
Speaker 2: from this city council. It's just gimmicks, feel good gimmicks.
Speaker 2: There you go. I mean it was made. I remember,
Speaker 2: you know, do not vote for one current member of
Speaker 2: this city. Well, well here here I still remember. This
Speaker 2: is the mayor. He was trying the part of his
Speaker 2: little Twitter campaign, you know, all the feel good stuff.
Speaker 2: He was going to do little clippets of videos from
Speaker 2: the fifty two communities. Wow, it's okay to talk about
Speaker 2: Hyde part. Well, it was funny. This is that talk
Speaker 2: about unconnected to Cincinnati? Right, I talked about John Crowley,
Speaker 2: the mayor. So he started talking. There was one I saw.
Speaker 2: I still remember. It was about Oakley, Oakley, this and
Speaker 2: that and Oakley home of Agla Mesi Bros. That's what
Speaker 2: he said, you and I know it's take La Mesi Brothers.
Speaker 2: But the script he had just had b r Os period, right,
Speaker 2: and the mayor is so disconnected from the city of
Speaker 2: Cincinnati and its history. He just read to me, bros. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I almost laughed my head off when he said that.
Speaker 2: And it's like he has no clue about this city.
Speaker 2: If you use the word Aggle mec bros. And not
Speaker 2: knowing it's take La mecI Brothers. That that epitomized him.
Speaker 2: So I forget that I feared. I wish I could
Speaker 2: find that thing. I'll find it somewhere. But it was
Speaker 2: just so do you even get it? He doesn't get it.
Speaker 2: And people's city of Cincinnati. Yeah, I don't live in
Speaker 2: the city myself, but you know what, the city is
Speaker 2: the core for the area, for the Tri state area,
Speaker 2: and as the city goes, so goes.
Speaker 1: But we don't live in this city, but we want
Speaker 1: the city to thrive. We want the city to be great,
Speaker 1: and it benefits everybody, Sure it does. And when it doesn't,
Speaker 1: drive to hurt everybody. Instead of finding a reason not
Speaker 1: to come into downtown Cincinnati, I don't want to find
Speaker 1: a reason to come into downtown Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 1: It's so easy now that hey, there's a it's something
Speaker 1: that someone there's there's an event going on in downtown Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Got Octoberfest, he got the Reds game, Bengals game, whatever,
Speaker 1: whatever's going on downtown. And I and I find reasons
Speaker 1: not to go. And I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people in the suburbs who are just like me that,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's just easier. Everything I need is
Speaker 1: out here. Anything.
Speaker 2: I grew up in the suburbs Cincinnati right in the
Speaker 2: seventies early eighties, and that was a time and I
Speaker 2: got downtown rarely, right, maybe a ball game sometimes, I know,
Speaker 2: a big deal. Yeah, And you know I used to
Speaker 2: collect stamps. I always came down to the post office,
Speaker 2: Alice little stamp place down there. I take the bus down.
Speaker 2: That was about the only time I came downtown. But
Speaker 2: I remember growing up in the seventies and early eighties
Speaker 2: over the Rhine. The reputation of Over the Rhine was
Speaker 2: you don't go to Over the Run. Even during the day.
Speaker 2: You did not go to Over the Rhine, forget at night. Right,
Speaker 2: And when I was driving, it's like, oh, what happens
Speaker 2: if I could accidentally make a wrong turn on one
Speaker 2: of these one way one way roads in Cincinnati and
Speaker 2: end up in Over the Run. That was the reputation
Speaker 2: of over the Rhine. And I say this legitimately. It's
Speaker 2: starting to get that reputation. Even the business district is
Speaker 2: starting to get that reputation. You don't want to come
Speaker 2: down this area anymore. It's not as bad, but it's
Speaker 2: going in that direction, and it's got to be stopped
Speaker 2: and it's got to be shot, stop and changed with
Speaker 2: good leadership that we don't have.
Speaker 1: Well, look at what what Jeff Ruby's daughter did. Look
Speaker 1: what the restaurant owners down there did. They had they
Speaker 1: had to form their own little coalition and send a
Speaker 1: letter to the mayor to say and say, look, we're
Speaker 1: out here, we're we're living this every day. This is
Speaker 1: this is not a perception. This is reality. And this
Speaker 1: is our reality. And our reality is is that we're
Speaker 1: not going to be in business much longer. If things
Speaker 1: keep going the way they're going. You have to do something.
Speaker 2: But what do we get from the may What do
Speaker 2: we get from the mayor? It was in August he
Speaker 2: does a little walking down the sidewalk with a police
Speaker 2: officer right next to Remember that video. I remember that.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. It's so disconnected from reality and
Speaker 2: and and it's like, you know, he doesn't it. And
Speaker 2: again it goes back to not listening to people, not
Speaker 2: listening to people, what's happening on the street, where you know,
Speaker 2: rubber meets the road, the boots on the ground. It's
Speaker 2: this arrogance of I am a art person, I know
Speaker 2: what's best. This is really where we need to go
Speaker 2: and as opposed to say, maybe something's not working here.
Speaker 2: And I hope the people the city of Cincinnati see that.
Speaker 2: And it's like I wanted to thrive to like you do.
Speaker 2: Like most people here, we wanted to thrive. We want
Speaker 2: to be thrive and be safe. And it's not going
Speaker 2: in that direction.
Speaker 1: And at least Bill cunning you know, when when Charlie
Speaker 1: Lucan was married, Charlie Lucan would come on talk with
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham, John Cranley would come on, and they didn't
Speaker 1: see eye to eye on every issue, but you know what,
Speaker 1: they would talk about what's happening with the city, what's
Speaker 1: going on, what they're going to do about things to
Speaker 1: you know, have a couple of laughs by the end
Speaker 1: of the by the end of the interview, and and
Speaker 1: and it didn't it didn't necessarily mean they were getting
Speaker 1: on the same page with each other, but they were
Speaker 1: talking about what.
Speaker 2: Was going on.
Speaker 1: Charlie, how many times as I have to have Purval
Speaker 1: been on the on this radio station, submitted himself to
Speaker 1: all by me or Scott Sloan or Bill Cunningham or
Speaker 1: Eddie and Rocky.
Speaker 2: But here here's the difference. Charlie Lucan as mayor. John
Speaker 2: Cranley as mayor had substantive things they were proposing and
Speaker 2: trying to move. Yes, this mayor and four years in office,
Speaker 2: I don't know what substantive thing to truly improve the
Speaker 2: city he has offered anything proposal. We know the city
Speaker 2: council would rubber stamp whatever you poke.
Speaker 1: Oh well, you know, I mean he's been a bunch
Speaker 1: of ribbon cutting ceremonies. He got little it's this project
Speaker 1: over here, and you got the the convention Center is
Speaker 1: going on and he's going to try and take credit
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 2: Exactly River incoming feel good stuff, but nothing of substance.
Speaker 2: For four years, we've had nothing of substance. John Cranley
Speaker 2: as mayor had substance. Charlie Lucan had substance. This guy
Speaker 2: has none of it. I mean, you know, we get
Speaker 2: national and that we made national news with him twice,
Speaker 2: one with the recent brawl of downtown and second of
Speaker 2: all when he became mayor.
Speaker 7: JABBRONI mag remember that, you know it was I remember,
Speaker 7: I remember when he was talking smack and that was
Speaker 7: before the Bengals went to Kansas City.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly that was it, And I think it was.
Speaker 2: Travis Kelch calls him out, you know I didn't. That's
Speaker 2: keep your mouth shut, is what he said. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean that, that's it he talks. That's how he talks back,
Speaker 2: because again, that was a tweet, that was a little
Speaker 2: video whatever.
Speaker 1: And and all I know is that if that beatdown
Speaker 1: would have happened when John Cranley was in office, he
Speaker 1: would have been front and center. He would have been
Speaker 1: front and center at every news conference, every every meeting.
Speaker 2: Not turning a news conference over over into race baterers
Speaker 2: saying we we only see black people. We want white
Speaker 2: people indicted in charge, John Cranley. John Cranley would have
Speaker 2: worked with the governor to accept substantive help from the
Speaker 2: state of Ohio to put to stop this crap that's
Speaker 2: going on, as opposed to brushing off the governor.
Speaker 1: How disappointing was that when when these city council members
Speaker 1: got behind this, Hey we need to see someone, someone white,
Speaker 1: get some charges on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that.
Speaker 1: I almost forgot about that until you just brought that up.
Speaker 1: What a what an absolute low light that was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was pandering.
Speaker 2: It's not leadership, it is pandering. You know the governor
Speaker 2: was willing to give significant support to get a control
Speaker 2: of the situation, and heaven forbid, the mayor says, no.
Speaker 1: We'll take a few os P two days a month,
Speaker 1: and now they've got it up to four days a
Speaker 1: month for traffic cars?
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? But you know part of the part.
Speaker 2: I don't think the bad guys know that. You know,
Speaker 2: and you know, and you know what what do the
Speaker 2: rank and file up police officers thing? Those who are
Speaker 2: walking the beat?
Speaker 1: The ones I talked to said they'd be happy to
Speaker 1: have force my force multultiplier exactly.
Speaker 2: But think about the recruitment classes too, you know, I
Speaker 2: think they're trying to diminish the size of the police
Speaker 2: department by or like getting more people to retire and
Speaker 2: not feeding enough into the system. You know, I would
Speaker 2: love to talk to some of the recruits. People who
Speaker 2: signed up. Why why did you were you hesitant? What
Speaker 2: made what made you decide? People who thought about it
Speaker 2: and said no, I'm not signing up with the City
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati. How many people have we lost? Your good
Speaker 2: you know, men and women who would be fine police
Speaker 2: officers saying I don't want to go there. I'll look
Speaker 2: at jobs elsewhere. No, Yeah, they might want to be
Speaker 2: a law enforcement officer, but not with the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: The people who are in the police academy these days
Speaker 1: are are the ones who are pretty hardcore, the ones
Speaker 1: who really feel that that internal calling. I really want
Speaker 1: to be part of a police force that is going
Speaker 1: to do good for the people that they're going to.
Speaker 2: I would guess I don't have a basis. So people
Speaker 2: who really love the city, Yeah, but the numbers aren't there.
Speaker 2: I don't think that I would be curious how the
Speaker 2: numbers keep diminishing and I don't have the pres There's
Speaker 2: not enough incentive there for someone who might be on
Speaker 2: the fence and say, you know what, let me go,
Speaker 2: let me check this out and see if this is
Speaker 2: going to work for me.
Speaker 1: If they're on the fence, they're they're not going to
Speaker 1: make that step to go and then spend a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks in the accounty and say, you know what,
Speaker 1: this is the right thing for me, because they're making
Speaker 1: that decision before they even check it out.
Speaker 2: And part of it is, you know, the cops who
Speaker 2: are there now and those who are looking to get it.
Speaker 2: You also want to know that the political leadership has
Speaker 2: your back, and I don't think that this administration and
Speaker 2: with the attitude towards law enforcement that.
Speaker 1: Well, at that point is exactly a point I talked
Speaker 1: to Ken Kobra about when this whole thing with the
Speaker 1: police chief started breaking and I and I said, we've
Speaker 1: we've heard the city manager say it, We've heard the
Speaker 1: mayor say it that they have the back of our
Speaker 1: police department. But in reality, they know that.
Speaker 2: It's not They know it's not there. You know, it's
Speaker 2: lack of leadership. I mean, what they do is they
Speaker 2: let Iris Rollie run roughshod over the police and then
Speaker 2: pay her how much, you know, enter into be you know,
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of dollars so that she gets she
Speaker 2: gives money to her.
Speaker 1: But we can spend a whole show talking about the
Speaker 1: way that the chimney she's carved out a nice kig
Speaker 1: for herself. You know, you want, they're gonna pay her
Speaker 1: four hundred grand over three or four years, and she
Speaker 1: can spend money however she wants and hire whoever she
Speaker 1: wants and.
Speaker 2: Go about harassing the police as they try to do
Speaker 2: their job for the community.
Speaker 1: All Right, we got a five seconds left, Kurt, we
Speaker 1: got to go. Thanks for hanging out. Election on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Get out there and vote it out and vote. Very
Speaker 1: important and hopefully a week from now we're talking about
Speaker 1: a new mayor for the city of Cincinnati. But thanks
Speaker 1: for being here. We got to run. We'll see you
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Speaker 2: I turned off news altogether. I hate to say it,
Speaker 2: but I don't trust much of any