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Speaker 1: All right back on the Big One, seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: It's nine oh eight on this Thursday night. I'm Dan Peril.

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Speaker 1: This is the Thursday night edition of the Midwey Crisis.

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Speaker 1: Drew Western, Heidi running the big board in the seven

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Speaker 2: No one does it better than Dree. I like that guy.

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Speaker 2: A lot.

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Speaker 1: Five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand and one,

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Speaker 2: The numbers, the call and we got plenty of time

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Speaker 2: for your.

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Speaker 1: Phone calls tonight because we are talking Election night all

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Speaker 1: night long. And I am joined in studio tonight by

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Speaker 1: the one and only Kurt Hartman. Judge, how you doing, Dan?

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Speaker 1: Always great to be a minister. You texted me the

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Speaker 1: day before yesterday and you said, uh, hey, man, you

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Speaker 1: need to do a show. And I was planning on

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Speaker 1: doing a show talking about the election, and you said,

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Speaker 1: you need to do a show, well, you know, talking

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Speaker 1: about the election. Take some phone calls. And I looked

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Speaker 1: at the calendar and I and I did not realize

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Speaker 1: it at the time, but I thought, man, this is

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Speaker 1: the last night I'm going to be on the air

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Speaker 1: before before election night. That's done a week away before election.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's really sneaking up on me this year.

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Speaker 2: It's perfect. Yah, you're right, it's early.

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Speaker 1: It's early in November, the first Tuesday after the first Monday.

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Speaker 1: That decision was made long ago to have election day

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Speaker 2: Monday in November. Why was that.

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Speaker 1: Do you recall why that decision was made for that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I do not, but it's been it's historical,

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Speaker 2: it's almost since time immemorial, right, it's always been that day.

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Speaker 2: You know. I think Constitution talks about the federal election

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Speaker 2: there in the election the president and then the elect

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Speaker 2: War College meets in December, and the president takes office

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Speaker 2: originally in March, now in January. And I think it

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Speaker 2: was just driven by that, by kind of the site show.

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Speaker 2: There's a good reason for it, but it could have been.

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Speaker 2: It just easily been, you know, the third Friday after

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Speaker 2: like that. You know, it is what it is. And

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Speaker 2: like I said, but you know, in a certain sense,

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Speaker 2: we no longer have an election day, we have an

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Speaker 1: I am not a huge fan of the early I

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Speaker 1: know I agree with you, but but what.

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Speaker 2: That's what we have developed in this country, and the

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Speaker 2: like it as well. You know. To me, we it's

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Speaker 2: really should be. I think when you have an election

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Speaker 2: day in a certain sense, that becomes a unifying event

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Speaker 2: doing that act, if you will, in a sense together.

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Speaker 2: When you have this election month and early voting for

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Speaker 1: Right now, it's no fault, no excuse early voting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so my point is this, and I made the

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Speaker 2: Right if you look at that at his released what

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Speaker 2: when these local prosecutors aren't prosecuting these cases, his only

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Speaker 1: But he said he got cooperation from some prosecutors eighty

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Speaker 2: And also and if you consider the population, you know, Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Dayton,

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Speaker 2: You could have you know, if everything's proportional, you could

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Speaker 2: Democrat Party politics, they're not going to pursue that stuff

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Speaker 2: the Democrat Party has taken the attitude they don't care,

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Speaker 2: and you see it playing out on all various fronts.

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Speaker 2: A well, consider Minnesota. You know, all these there's reports

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Speaker 2: now they're voting, sure, you know. And the problem is

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Speaker 1: Well, you got Mandani in New York City, and then

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Speaker 1: in Minneapolis, you've got you've got another Islamis dude who's

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Speaker 1: He's he's waving a Somali flag, talking about Somalia, and

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Speaker 1: he's he's running and he's running for mayor of Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: What about the United States of America? What about that?

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Speaker 2: And then you got another Islamis running for the Senate

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Speaker 2: in Michigan, coming out of Dearborn, Michigan. Oh, dear Dearborn.

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Speaker 2: That place is lost. Man. They they they've got a

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Speaker 1: There was a guy I and I talked with the

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Speaker 1: This guy, this guy, and this guy was talking about

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Speaker 2: Well it starts the morning.

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Speaker 1: And the mayor essentially said, you know, I don't you know,

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Speaker 1: And this guy's not even an American. Yeah, so I

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Speaker 2: Well that you know, you take take a look at

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Speaker 2: You know, they've lost that identity of what it means

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Speaker 2: by an avowed communist. I mean, Keen Sturmer was in

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been asking the question a lot. What

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Speaker 1: Mandani in New York City? And I've been asking that question,

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Speaker 1: and I found a piece that was written that I think,

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Speaker 1: I want we'll get to that a little bit later,

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Speaker 1: but let's start off. We said we were taking phone

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Speaker 1: first up from tonight and Ken from Mason, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting here with the judge.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, now, Judge, are you a Republican now or

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Speaker 4: a Democrat?

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Speaker 2: Who are you asking?

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Speaker 4: I'm asking the judg.

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Speaker 2: Am I a Republican now or a Democrat. I am

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Speaker 2: an independent, freethinking American. I don't think it's a party issue.

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Speaker 2: I think I think it is a constitution issue. Uh,

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Speaker 2: I would tell you my party.

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Speaker 4: Registration's a Democrat. I thought you were a Democrat at

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Speaker 2: I have never been a Oh my gosh, no, I

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Speaker 2: Since since age eighteen, I have been a registered Republican

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Speaker 2: and have voted in every primary since then for decades now. Unfortunately, unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: Okay, I think that Dan's listeners, everybody needs to come

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Speaker 4: to grips what's going on. The Communists are at large now,

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Speaker 4: and I mean Mondamie's not hiding anymore. Elano Omar in

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Speaker 4: are communists. They're not Americans. They don't show the American flag.

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Speaker 4: They keep brandishing their own flags. From Somaya, from Mexico,

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Speaker 4: you name it, Judge, you hit on it right away

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Speaker 1: These videos of people and all I voted for Mondani.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a threat. They're going to make the

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Speaker 4: Well, the young people need to understand that socialism has

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Speaker 1: There, They're already starting to do it. They're already starting

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Speaker 1: to do it. Ken, we got to run. But as always, man,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you picking up the phone.

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Speaker 4: Brother, Great show. Guys.

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Speaker 1: All right, there you go, Ken from Mason. When we

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Speaker 2: Let's get back. Yeah, let's get to the city of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: R got off on a little tagent there, but we're

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Speaker 1: going to set up the city council races, the mayor raise,

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Speaker 1: edition of The Midweek Crisis on seven hundred WLW, Queen.

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Speaker 2: City Forward is more than a name. It's a nod

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Speaker 2: to the city. We love. Cincinnati keeps moving forward. Hey,

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Speaker 1: On the Thursday night edition of The Midweek Crisis. Kurt

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Speaker 1: Hartman is in studio. If me we're talking election, we

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Speaker 1: what's happening at city Hall. You've got Corey Bowman. It

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Speaker 1: Six one of his first times out of it. That

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Speaker 2: Getting once to get involved, and he got convinced to

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Speaker 1: Feed you to the wolves the first time, but he

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that Republicans haven't even bothered to

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Speaker 2: Honestly, my take is we don't have good leadership in

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Speaker 2: You know, you don't go out that there's no effort

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Speaker 2: Exactly well a lot of them. A lot of them

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Speaker 2: three months before the election, two months before the election,

436
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Speaker 2: whereas the Democrats it's a year round mentality. Again, we

437
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Speaker 2: talked about earlier the last half hour. How democrats strive

438
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Speaker 2: and organize just to maintain and keep power, and it

439
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Speaker 2: is a perpetual thought in their mind. You know.

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Speaker 1: Back in January, we all thought that basic city services

441
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Speaker 1: was going to be the major issue of this election cycle,

442
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 1: this before the crime started getting out, pop holes and whatnot. Yeah,

443
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 1: lo and behold two days three you know what is it?

444
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Speaker 1: Four days before the vote? Five days before the vote.

445
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: The city manager comes out and says, hey, we've got

446
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Speaker 1: all this great technology. The streets are going to get

447
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 1: plowed next time it snows. And oh you know, hey,

448
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: we've got iPads now in the trucks and the managers

449
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Speaker 1: can see where the drivers are going, and all the

450
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Speaker 1: streets are going to get plowed. And I'm thinking to

451
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Speaker 1: my self, well, wait a minute, Uh, where's the new trucks.

452
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Speaker 1: How about some trucks that work. How about some snowplows

453
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Speaker 1: they can get the job done. What about some smaller

454
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Speaker 1: vehicles they can get on some of those side streets

455
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Speaker 1: where it's hard to fit a full size true, you know,

456
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Speaker 1: or you can't fit a full side what about stuff

457
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Speaker 1: like that? Technology is great, but back in the fifties, sixties,

458
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Speaker 1: and seventies, we didn't have this kind of technology, and

459
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Speaker 1: guess what, the street's gone plowed. Yeah, because people knew

460
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Speaker 1: what they were doing. You know, how about some some

461
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Speaker 1: great four wheel drive vehicles where you can have managers

462
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Speaker 1: drive around and look at streets and identify streets and

463
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Speaker 1: say we need what about that kind of stuff?

464
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Speaker 2: But no, well we've got iPads. Now, we've got you know,

465
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Speaker 2: the high tech things, high tech technology, the trucks. That's

466
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Speaker 2: going to solve all the problems. You don't have to think.

467
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Speaker 2: You get people who don't think. Kidding me, and that's

468
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Speaker 2: what they rely so much upon technology that they don't

469
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Speaker 2: think for themselves. But in a certain sense, when you know,

470
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Speaker 2: I just heard that that story and the report. Yeah,

471
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Speaker 2: part of me said, though, wait a minute, that's almost

472
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Speaker 2: like your house is on fire and you're worrying about

473
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Speaker 2: how how your rose garden looked.

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Speaker 1: We've got all this chaos going on at city Hall,

475
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Speaker 1: and it looks it's all the Democrats. Have to own that. Yes,

476
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Speaker 1: it's all Democrats at city Hall. Yes, and we got

477
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Speaker 1: all this chaos going I have never I used to

478
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Speaker 1: cover city Hall when I was at Fox nineteen, and look,

479
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Speaker 1: I thought that there was plenty of times when it

480
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Speaker 1: was a clown show then with the people who were

481
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Speaker 1: on City Council at that time, but it was never anything.

482
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Speaker 1: The one thing I remember about covering city Hall is

483
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Speaker 1: that whoever was on City Council and whatever buffoonery they

484
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Speaker 1: were up to, there was always a city manager who

485
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Speaker 1: was the grown up, who was the serious person, Who

486
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Speaker 1: who was the person that was you know, that could

487
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Speaker 1: step up and say, hey, it's time to knock this

488
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Speaker 1: off and get down to serious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But back in that day, we had really the city

491
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Speaker 2: manager form of government. I don't know what form of

492
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Speaker 2: government we've got in the City of since nat Well

493
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Speaker 2: we had the most have the strong mayor, but the man. Yeah,

494
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Speaker 2: but who runs the city on a day to day basis.

495
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Speaker 2: It's the city man supposed to be the city manager,

496
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Speaker 2: but it's it's the mayor because we've got we've got

497
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Speaker 2: an incompetent city manager.

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Speaker 1: The mayor is supposed to be more hands on now, yeah,

499
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Speaker 1: but not. All he's hands on was for press conferences.

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Speaker 1: And we have to have pur of all do besides

501
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Speaker 1: show up at press conference.

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Speaker 2: That's it. It's no leadership.

503
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Speaker 1: And I hope people have seen and how and how

504
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Speaker 1: do we have a mayor who feels confident enough and

505
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Speaker 1: feels comfortable enough that when you have a major event

506
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Speaker 1: happened in the streets of downtown Cincinnati that is on

507
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Speaker 1: video and yours and it's going national internet, is being

508
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Speaker 1: is being just a just pillary from pillar to post

509
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Speaker 1: on national TV, and that video is running morning, noon

510
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Speaker 1: and night, day after day after day.

511
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Speaker 2: And you feel Okay, then you can leave the country.

512
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Speaker 2: I can call it in. Yeah, you can, and you can.

513
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Speaker 1: You can put up your five year old as a

514
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Speaker 1: she and say, oh, it's my son's birthday and then

515
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Speaker 1: we you know, we got to go have a birthday.

516
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Speaker 2: So it is because I think I said it before

517
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Speaker 2: with because because we have a mayor in the city

518
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Speaker 2: of Cincinnati who has no ties to the city of Cincinnati.

519
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Speaker 2: He's an honestly, he's an outsider. He never really established

520
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: himself as truly being Sincinnati compare Beaver Creek. But yeah,

521
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Speaker 2: but I think I think of John John crann in

522
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Speaker 2: comparison to John Cranley. You know, agree or disagree with John.

523
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Speaker 2: I know John, I like John, disagree with some stuff

524
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Speaker 2: on John. But John really cared about the city SINCECT

525
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Speaker 2: because he grew up on the West Side. And I'm

526
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Speaker 2: not saying you have to have been a native Cincinnati

527
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: and to be mayor helps. It helps, but but really,

528
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Speaker 2: somebody who comes in who actually wants to loves the

529
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Speaker 2: city and what we what we had. I kind of said,

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Speaker 2: I look back historically, you go back to the nineteen

531
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Speaker 2: seventies on city Council and the leadership of since I'm

532
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: thinking people like Ted Berry and Gene Roman Democrat and Republican.

533
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Speaker 2: They cared about the city of Cincinnati. Their priority and

534
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Speaker 2: only interest was the city of Cincinnati. What we got

535
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Speaker 2: within the past ten to twenty years on Cincinnati are

536
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Speaker 2: more council members who have become grandstanders looking for a

537
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Speaker 2: higher office. I'm thinking PG sitting Feld, I'm thinking aftab

538
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Speaker 2: par of all. They don't have this love, if you will,

539
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Speaker 2: and commitment to the city. Their love and commitment is

540
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Speaker 2: to themselves and their own political career. You know, Gene Rule,

541
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Speaker 2: me and Ted Berry never ran for another office. They

542
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Speaker 2: never sought out a higher office. Now not that they

543
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been qualified, not that they might have been

544
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Speaker 2: called to it, but they got on city Council and

545
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Speaker 2: helped lead the city positively in the nineteen seventies because

546
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Speaker 2: they cared about the city. These people nowadays don't. It's

547
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Speaker 2: all about power, be a local power, whatever, king of

548
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Speaker 2: the hill of the mole Hill. That's you know, it

549
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Speaker 2: may be compared to whatever, and that's what you get.

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Speaker 2: And so with Aftab, you know, he comes to Cincinnati.

551
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: You know, he does his little Afla Aftab duck thing

552
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: to get elected, a cute little thing, good promotion, marketing,

553
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: but there was no substance behind it. And he didn't

554
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: want to be Clerk of Courts forever. Oh, he wanted

555
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 2: to run for Congress. He wanted to get involved in

556
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Speaker 2: national politics.

557
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Speaker 5: Right.

558
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Speaker 2: Remember he ran against Steve Shebdan lost he really that's

559
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: really when it went so, but oh, I'm stuck running

560
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: for mayor. I guess it was kind of a consolation price.

561
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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say that consolation. And if you talk

562
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 2: to people, I've talked to people who have had some

563
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: ties and nose what kind of heartbeat of what's going

564
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Speaker 2: on in city hall. He never really enjoyed being there.

565
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt he's got his sites

566
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Speaker 1: set on something else.

567
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Speaker 2: And which, after all, after his record in the past

568
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Speaker 2: few months. I think hopefully people will see, you know,

569
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Speaker 2: see what the lack of substance. But it's a press conference,

570
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: it's a tweet. There's no substantive leadership. And you look

571
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: at they've handled the brawl. You looked at how they've

572
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 2: handled you know, Chief TG, and that that's been an

573
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Speaker 2: absurd way of hand. It's no leadership. I'm sorry. You know,

574
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Speaker 2: even if somebody, even if somebody makes a decision I

575
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: might not agree with. I might say, you know, that

576
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: was a that was definitely strong leadership. I might disagreed

577
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Speaker 2: with the conclusion. I can't even say that about Aftab

578
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: or or Share, our longest city manager. She does whatever

579
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: Aftab is, She's unqualified for the job. She's no leader.

580
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: He's no leader. But that and this is what and

581
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: this nine members, nine Democrats on the Cincinnati City Council

582
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: are no leaders. I honestly, I don't know half. If

583
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: you ask me right now, I could.

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Speaker 1: Not gonna and we want One of the one of

585
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Speaker 1: the things that's gonna be a result of this is

586
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Speaker 1: that it's going to cost a city a hell of

587
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Speaker 1: a lot of money.

588
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Speaker 2: Yes, with with that, you know they had probably they

589
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: fired the fire chief. Look at the way she she did.

590
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Speaker 1: Mike Washington, Yes, and and her and both in and

591
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: the g both with the Finny Law firm, and Steve

592
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Speaker 1: m is his work in those cases, and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: I think. I think the Mike Washington payout is going

594
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Speaker 1: to be is going to be possibly here's that Steve.

595
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Speaker 2: Steve a great attorney, smart attorney, but these are cases

596
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: that you don't need to be a rocket signed. And

597
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: the city screwed up so bad it's like, what the

598
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: heck are they doing there? They're dead to right. But

599
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: I mean, and it's like, do the voters really realize

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Speaker 2: I'd love to hear from some voters in the City

601
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Speaker 2: of Cincinnati about their take on what's going on in

602
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Speaker 2: the city, what's up with the with the election.

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Speaker 1: But I've seen chaos at city Hall before, but nothing

604
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Speaker 1: like this.

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Speaker 2: No, But you know, can you really name all nine

606
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Speaker 2: members of city Council right now?

607
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Speaker 1: I can't because you've got I'm in front of me.

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Speaker 1: But the thing, the thing is, you know you got

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Speaker 1: jan Michelle lemon Coarney. She's the vice mayor who wants

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Speaker 1: to run for mayor in four years. Yeah, she she

611
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Speaker 1: I guess she's uh, you know when I when she

612
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Speaker 1: she comes on and she talks with Scott Sloan from

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Speaker 1: time to time. I don't think she has done any

614
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Speaker 1: other shows on this but but but whenever I see her, uh,

615
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Speaker 1: and she's definitely got her site set on the mayor's office.

616
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Speaker 1: Victoria Parks, who is not running again. The white guys

617
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Speaker 1: deserve what they got said they were the ones who

618
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Speaker 1: deserve the beat downs. Uh Anna Anna, I'll beat well.

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Speaker 1: I heard her on the other day. She replaced Liz

620
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Speaker 1: Keating she's the one who and again, no idea what

621
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Speaker 1: she's done. Jeff Kramerding Uh used to be with the

622
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Speaker 1: price Ill Community Council, Mark Jefferies.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Scottie Johnson, who has apparently lost his mind. He was

625
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I hit when when he was I

626
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Speaker 1: think he was the leader of the sentinels within when

627
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Speaker 1: he was on the police force. I you know, I

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm kind of I'm kind of about

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Speaker 1: Scottie John's. Every once in a while he comes out

630
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Speaker 1: and says something that that's looseider makes sense. But there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of times when he says things I just

632
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Speaker 1: totally differt disagree with Evan Nolan. I have no idea

633
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Speaker 1: about Evan Nolan. Minka Owens. I don't know a lot

634
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Speaker 1: about Mika Owens. But she clears the chairs the Climate,

635
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Speaker 1: Environment and Infrastructure Committee, so she's climate. The Cincinnati still

636
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: have his EPA office. Don't it's climate office, don't. I

637
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: don't believe it's it's on the Cincinnati Environmental with this administration, probably,

638
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: but but yeah, and then and then Seth Wall she

639
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: took over for Greg Landsman.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing with all that, why did they

641
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Speaker 2: were what have they done? I don't know, not that.

642
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm I can't think of a good reason to re

643
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Speaker 1: elect any No, but.

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Speaker 2: Let me, I'm not expecting these city council member. I

645
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: don't want these city council members. I was also being

646
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: constantly throwing themselves in front of the cameras either. But

647
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: it's like there's been no skepticism, there's been no challenges

648
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Speaker 2: to the administration. They've just been they've been rubber stamps.

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Speaker 1: The only thing I've heard any of these council members say,

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Speaker 1: Mark Jefferies, was on the other day when the whole

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Speaker 1: when the whole Chief Police Chief Fiji story was breaking,

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Speaker 1: he came on and said, look, city Council, we don't

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Speaker 1: have any clue. We haven't had any communication from the

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Speaker 1: city manager. Then I haven't had any communication from the

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Speaker 1: from the the mayor. Because Scott Slan's like, well what

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Speaker 1: about this? What about this?

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Speaker 2: And he's like, well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, why aren't you demanding it? That he knows is

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Speaker 1: what he's reading seeing on the news.

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Speaker 2: Then why aren't they demanding it as a body, Why

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Speaker 2: aren't they standing up and pushing back again? Because they're

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Speaker 2: all Democrats drinking the same progressive.

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Speaker 1: Cool Absolutely, Now, Rick and Dallas, what's going on tonight?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry that the time got away from me. I

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Speaker 1: saw you up there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's okay.

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Speaker 2: How you doing all right?

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Speaker 3: Rick?

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Speaker 2: We we got a couple of minutes left in this segment.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Well, I grew up there.

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Speaker 6: To this day, I know a whole lot about.

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Speaker 2: The history there.

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Speaker 3: There's a there's one dramatic difference between the local politics

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Speaker 3: there today and say, oh, go back thirty forty fifty

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Speaker 3: years ago.

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Speaker 4: You know what the difference is.

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Speaker 2: What's the difference.

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Speaker 3: Back back fifty years ago? You had these guys. They

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Speaker 3: are a bunch of PROCs Ian the puppis fifty years ago,

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Speaker 3: you had the.

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Speaker 2: Real deal over there. Come on, Charles p.

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Speaker 4: Task, Bill Bowen, H.

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Speaker 3: Gratison and you have Barryson good all the trial over councils.

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Speaker 4: Come on.

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Speaker 1: These were serious individuals cared about the city. These these

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Speaker 1: individuals had a sense of civic responsibility and and doing

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Speaker 1: what was best for the city. And I think gave

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Speaker 1: what showed back then.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. But but but one more thing to those people

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Speaker 3: actually owed the city. I mean these people now are puppets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they are.

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Speaker 3: I mean, but those people the child's to the Lucas,

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Speaker 3: they owed the city. I mean they have money if

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Speaker 3: they had scared in the game. These people don't have it,

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Speaker 3: the scared of the game. These people are puppies.

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Speaker 2: No, I think you're right. I think you're right. I

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Speaker 2: mean I think I think even like Tomaya demart Thenard right,

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Speaker 2: she had no skin in the game. She was happy

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Speaker 2: to get the paycheck. And if that's if it's just

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Speaker 2: getting a paycheck and.

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Speaker 3: What one thing before? Because I know you gotta hang

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Speaker 3: up there, How you going to get the people all

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Speaker 3: of the city. Id idid Hill or you know that

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Speaker 3: inty Hill. But you know you know what, people that

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Speaker 3: have no money to grow up the city council, you

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Speaker 3: ain't gonna do that. They're too lazy. I mean, why

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Speaker 3: should they do it when they could get these pumpers

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Speaker 3: to do, you know, and do their work for I mean,

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Speaker 3: the people with the power are too damn lazy to

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Speaker 3: be all city council. That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Rick. I appreciate the phone call, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I think Rick makes a good point there, and especially

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Speaker 2: it's like, you know, even if these people quote unquote

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Speaker 2: who owned the city or whatnot, even if they're not

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Speaker 2: gonna run, they're not pushing for good candidates. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 2: I don't see the business community really stepping up. And

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to cadates they needed. And that's what we'll

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Speaker 2: go down. We'll go down the list of candidates who

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Speaker 2: are running. Yeah, well there's a long list. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That'll take up the whole Next second, are you're going

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Speaker 2: to be here all night? Say there?

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Speaker 1: And five, one, three, seven, the big one relate for

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Speaker 1: a break. So let's do that now. It is the

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Speaker 1: Thursday night edition of the Midweek Crisis. On seven hundred

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Speaker 1: ww I was born overseas in Jordan, actually.

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Speaker 2: Seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: It's the Thursday night edition of The Midwek Crisis. I'm

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Speaker 1: Dan Carroll. We rock and roll till Midnights. Tonight we're

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Speaker 1: talking elections.

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Speaker 2: My last show.

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Speaker 1: Before election night on November fourth, Tuesday, the first Tuesday

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Speaker 1: after the first Monday. And breaking all this stuff down

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Speaker 1: with me tonight is Judge Kurt Hart. So let's let's

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about it. Back in in August

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Speaker 1: of this year, the city manager sent a letter to

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Speaker 1: the police Chief, Teresa Thiech, and she was complaining that

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Speaker 1: the police chief went out there and said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: we're going to work with other police chiefs in the

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Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati and they've got this task force and

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Speaker 1: we're going to be part of it, and we're going

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Speaker 1: to do what we can to crack down on crime.

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Speaker 1: And so Cheryl Long was upset about this, saying that, look,

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Speaker 1: you need to get with me before you say something

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Speaker 1: like this publicly. So when I when I look at

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Speaker 1: this letter and she's talking about all communications, external meeting strategies,

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah, you know they got to go through me,

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Speaker 1: They go through my pr person. All this all this

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Speaker 1: stuff this is it says to me that there was

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Speaker 1: not a work a real working relationship there, to my

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Speaker 1: way of thinking, the police chief and the city manager

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Speaker 1: the city the police chief reports to the city manager.

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Speaker 1: They ought to be talking every day, multiple times a day,

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Speaker 1: first thing in the morning. I mean, you just checking in,

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Speaker 1: what's going on, what do you got today?

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Speaker 2: Anything? Anything going on.

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Speaker 1: These conversations should be going on every single day, multiple

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Speaker 1: times a day. And this letter tells me that was

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Speaker 1: not happening.

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Speaker 2: But also, but also I would say if I was

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Speaker 2: city manager, I have a police chief who has decades

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Speaker 2: of experience in law enforcement. Yes, I a city manager

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Speaker 2: have none right, Cherlong has none right. You know myself

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Speaker 2: personally I was a judge. But that's not law enforcement.

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Speaker 2: That's that's a minute. But you have pop people with

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Speaker 2: expertise in an area, You let them run their department

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Speaker 2: using that expertise. You provide general oversight, you don't micromanage.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what she was doing. That's exactly and what

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Speaker 2: it is. And it's like, what knowledge, what basis of

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Speaker 2: experience does share along a city manager have to know

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Speaker 2: anything about the police department.

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Speaker 1: No, she this letter should have said, Hey, saw your

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Speaker 1: press conference. You want to work with the other chiefs

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Speaker 1: in the say good, you're being proactive. Hey, let let

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Speaker 1: let's get together. How can I help?

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Speaker 2: How? How does the city make this happen for you?

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Speaker 2: What do we do? Who do we contact? Let's get

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Speaker 2: the ball rolling on this.

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Speaker 1: But letter should Shlong has been trying to dress her

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Speaker 1: down and say, you need to get with me.

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Speaker 2: But I have to have Parahl choosing share along as

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Speaker 2: city manager because she had two qualifications. She was a

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Speaker 2: DEI hire and she would do whatever Ata told her

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Speaker 2: to do. That's it. She is incompetent and she has

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Speaker 2: confirmed her incompetence here as of late. But really, really

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Speaker 2: for the years that she's been there.

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Speaker 1: It's the City of Cincinnati used to have an Office

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Speaker 1: of Municipal Investigation.

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Speaker 2: I believe that's Do they still have it. I doubt it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I've never heard of it. If it

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Speaker 2: still does, I know they had it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me that office would be perfect for this,

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Speaker 1: this exercise that Sarah Long wants to play. Pay Frost

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Speaker 1: Brown Todd for it. It's gonna be in the neighborhood

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Speaker 1: of fifty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: You know, what they really need in the city of

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Speaker 2: is kind of an inspector general, an independent inspector general,

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Speaker 2: something like that that can go back and investigate stuff

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Speaker 2: and issue reports to try to improve the government of

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Speaker 2: the of the City of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Now she's saying, we have to investigate her performance as chief, Well,

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Speaker 1: where have you been? Well wait minute, there's performance reviews.

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Speaker 1: So it doesn't that tell you what her performance is.

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Speaker 1: Either you know of something or you don't know of something.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know of anything, But now they got

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Speaker 1: to pay a law firm to find out if she's

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Speaker 1: been an effective leader. Uh, if she's been a leader

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Speaker 1: within the context of city government, including furthering the broader

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Speaker 1: goals and objectives of the city administration. When I and

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Speaker 1: and I did, I did a whole show on this

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Speaker 1: last week. I dialed up all this stuff and it's

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Speaker 1: right all there on the city on the city website,

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Speaker 1: and and it's all it's all the emission statements and

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Speaker 1: all this stuff, and it's it's a diversity, equity and inclusion.

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Speaker 1: It's it's all this woke mumbo jumbo. And so so

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Speaker 1: my my theory on this is that Teresa Thiji was

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Speaker 1: trying to do the best she could to adhere to

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Speaker 1: the wishes of Aftab Purval and share Al Long, trying

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Speaker 1: to carry out their wishes within the police department and

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Speaker 1: the way the police department did their job. And when

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Speaker 1: things started going bad, that when the results came in

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Speaker 1: and the crime whether and look, you can slice and

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Speaker 1: dice these statistics one hundred different ways, but the perception

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Speaker 1: was is that crime was out of control in the

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Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati, and so when that started putting the

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Speaker 1: heat on a tab Purval, then we got the mess

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Speaker 1: that we have now. Yeah, I think, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think it's as simple as that it is.

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Speaker 2: It is like I said, we got a city manager

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Speaker 2: who's not letting the people with the experience. It's like,

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Speaker 2: you don't give up, you don't give them a blank check,

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Speaker 2: but you ask critical questions, but you don't micromanage. And

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Speaker 2: it's like, that's what we've got with people both in

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Speaker 2: the mayor and the city manager who have never really

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Speaker 2: had some real life experience in the private sector.

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Speaker 1: So they want to find out if she's committed any

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Speaker 1: infraction or policy violation with serving as police chief, has

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Speaker 1: disregarded best practices and the running the CPD to the

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Speaker 1: detriment of public safety and crime. For let me ask,

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Speaker 1: she's telling, uh, Frost Brown Todd that we want you

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Speaker 1: to find these things out.

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Speaker 2: What do you think Frost Brown Towd's going to find something?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. I think there's not there's what's there? No,

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Speaker 2: I don't think there is. Why wouldn't we know about

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Speaker 2: this if these things have already happened? But who is

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Speaker 2: Frost Brown Toald working for the city and he who

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Speaker 2: pays the fiddler calls the tune, and so this is

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Speaker 2: kind of like the old one.

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Speaker 1: What they're going to find out is that they're gonna

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Speaker 1: cut the private report is going to say, hey, this

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Speaker 1: is on you mayor this is on you city manager.

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Speaker 2: It's not her fault. But then publicly there's gonna be

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Speaker 2: this whole thing with hiring Frost Brown and Todd to

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Speaker 2: conduct an investigation to tell me, hey, is there something

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Speaker 2: she did wrong by which I might be able to

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Speaker 2: fire her even though I city manager have no clue.

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Speaker 2: Really it's Alison Wonderland. It is the Red Queen verdict. First,

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Speaker 2: then try.

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Speaker 1: They gotta they gotta hire these people to figure out

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Speaker 1: why they see they fired, they fired, but they didn't

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Speaker 1: really fire her, you know, all technicality.

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Speaker 2: Trying to find the grounds to fire her. It's like,

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Speaker 2: you know, verdict first, then trial that that's and and

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Speaker 2: it's like this.

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Speaker 1: And Stephen is just sitting there, just just just looking

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Speaker 1: at Hey.

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Speaker 2: This is what the people of Cincinnati, unfortunately, guys, and

868
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: take take some responsibility and acceptance of responsibility. This is

869
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: what they voted for.

870
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 1: I don't vote in the city. And if you're listening

871
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: to me right now and you vote in the City

872
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, you've got to vote the changes.

873
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: No, you know, like you said, you went through the

874
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: council members, and it's like, what have any of them done?

875
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: I don't even know half of them or of half

876
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: of them. But it's like where there's no accountability, there's

877
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: no oversight. You know, you talk about one council member, Well,

878
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: this is the first we heard about. Why aren't you

879
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: demanding information from the administration. You're just sitting there, docile

880
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: City Cincinnati Council meeting. Yes, and and and it's like, guys,

881
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: that's what you is. I would expect city, but but

882
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: you know, but thankfully, thankfully, you know, two years ago

883
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: when city council ran, there were ten people running for

884
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: nine slots on city Council. Ten people, nine Democrats and

885
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: one Republican. And guess what they elected all nine Democrats.

886
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: And this is what we've got. Thankfully, we've got twenty

887
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 2: six plus or minus people running this election.

888
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: There's some good people people here. In a minute, Jack

889
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: and Harrison, what say.

890
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: You, Dan?

891
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 7: Carrol?

892
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: How are you all right? Jack? How are you doing tonight?

893
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 8: I'm doing well. And hello to the honorable judge. And

894
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 8: I'll tell you guys right now, the only way a

895
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 8: Republican is going to be the mayor of Cincinnati, he

896
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 8: is going to have to rent out of space downtown

897
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 8: right by a government.

898
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: Square and be ready to do the work.

899
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 6: Be there three or four days a week, open the

900
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 6: place up, have a microphone, let the community come in

901
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 6: and talk and talk to the community, and then find

902
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 6: out ways to fix the problems that are bugging them,

903
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 6: and then use people from the community to solve the problems,

904
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 6: and then give them some free food from the food

905
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 6: trucks that this.

906
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: City is trying to ban. Yeah, what about that?

907
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 6: How That's how we're a Republican would win because the

908
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 6: problem is and the Democrats have called this. People look

909
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 6: at black people like, oh, they're just going to vote Democrat.

910
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 6: They're not even going to consider a Republican. But let

911
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 6: me tell you, buddy, I deliver medical supplies all through Cincinnati,

912
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 6: and I talk to all colors of people, and black

913
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 6: people are very smart. And you give them a microphone

914
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 6: and they're gonna give you ways to fix these problems.

915
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 6: Nobody listens to them.

916
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: There's nobody they.

917
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 9: Talk to them and tell them all we're gonna give

918
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 9: you this. We're gonna give you that.

919
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: They don't need nothing free.

920
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 6: He's one of the most rufius people in Cincinnati are

921
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 6: black people. They don't need handouts.

922
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: Well, Jack, you need a microphone. They need a microphone,

923
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: All right, Jack, But thank you very much for the call.

924
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: What about that move when the when the city manager

925
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: comes out and says we're putting a curfew on food

926
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: trucks and they got to shut down by eleven o'clock

927
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: at night, What crime solved?

928
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 2: Okay, it's like ridiculous of all evil in the city

929
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati. Oh wow, what brilliant. Why did we think

930
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: of that? I mean, and you know, Jack was saying,

931
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: you know, talking to you know, black people, but really

932
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: the average citizen, I don't care what race, have a

933
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 2: lot of common sense and I pray that they are

934
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: seeing through and using their common sense and saying this

935
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: is ridiculous what we're getting out of the city right now,

936
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 2: we're getting sure and hopefully, you know, he talks about

937
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: talking to people, I would argue that the Republicans won't

938
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 2: talk to the people, they'll listen to the people, because

939
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: what you got right now is from Aftam and the

940
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: Democrats on council, and the share law is they keep

941
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: talking to the people, telling them what they need to think,

942
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: telling them why not just sit there and listen to

943
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: the people. And I think that that's the difference. You know,

944
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: people like Aftab are from this job around, from this

945
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: attitude that they're the smartest people in the room and

946
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: they are telling you what to think and if you

947
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: think otherwise, you don't know what you're talking about. That

948
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: is their attitude. And I think, you know, thankfully we've

949
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: got some good people running for city council who appreciate

950
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: that people have good common sense and good solutions at times,

951
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: and sometimes it's just sitting there being quiet and listening.

952
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: You have problem with politicians and you put a microphone

953
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: in front of them, they almost want to monopolize that

954
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: microphone for themselves. Sometimes it's like hand the microphone to

955
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 2: the next person, listen to them. Yeah.

956
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: Well, one of the people running for council is Chris Smithman. Yeah,

957
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: and he's been there before. And Chris Smithman has been

958
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: seeing what's been going on, not just with the police chief,

959
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: but a whole series of things. And he got to

960
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: the point where he said, you know what, I got

961
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: to step up. I can go back in there. I

962
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: can bring some common sense to all these proceedings. I've

963
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: been there before. I know what I'm doing. And Chris

964
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: Smitheman didn't need to run for city council. No, I

965
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: mean this. You talk about a guy who feels a

966
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: sense of civic duty.

967
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: Well, and I really think that's what's driving him.

968
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 9: Yeah.

969
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm good friends with Chris Smitherman personally,

970
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: so full disclosure there. But you know, you go back

971
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: to what I described, like Geene Ruleman and Ted Berry

972
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: caring about the city, and that was it. Chris Smitherman's

973
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: in that category. I think. So Christopher is not looking

974
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 2: for a higher office, not looking to grandstand. He's looking

975
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: out for the city of Cincinnati, and that's the positive.

976
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: And that's when you get people like that. And there

977
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: are a few other people we can talk about running

978
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 2: in that category. I think that will make the change,

979
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: you know, onto un city council at least, you know,

980
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 2: and hopefully in the mayor offs. I think Corey Bowman,

981
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: you know, is concerned about the city as well well.

982
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: And and Liz Keating, I think the time that she

983
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: spent on city council, right, she she brought a voice

984
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: of reasonableness to city council. And then look and she

985
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: worked across the aisle on a lot of different issues, right,

986
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: And I remember there there were times stuff that I

987
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily agree with. But you know what he did

988
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: is she came on, she came on my show, she

989
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: came on this rate all with with this radio station,

990
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: a lot of different shows, and you ask her what,

991
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: you know, why did you do what you did? And

992
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 1: she would say, well, here's why, and boom boom boom,

993
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: and she'd explain. You could hold an intelligent conversation. She

994
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: didn't run from it, didn't try to hide from it.

995
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other other former council member running Steve

996
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: Gooden as well, Steve Steve's was on council and was

997
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: running again. And interesting if you look at the Smitherman

998
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: Keating good and you know Trio, you have an independent,

999
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: you have a Republican, and you have a charter right

1000
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: there you go, And you know what I can see.

1001
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: I know, you know, I know all three of them.

1002
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: They'll work well together, you know. And they're not it's

1003
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: not political ideog ideogs in this. And you know, in

1004
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: a certain sense of people, if you really think about it,

1005
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: you know, this whole Democrat Republican shouldn't really matter when

1006
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 2: it comes to the City of Cincinnati positics. People are

1007
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: generally Republicans or Democrats because of national politics.

1008
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: Well, the one thing that Chris Smitherman talks about, and

1009
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: I think really the parties ought to be talking about

1010
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: it a little bit more, uh is and and if

1011
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: you look at the Hamilton County UH sample ballot, UH

1012
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: they talk about vote for only three members of council. Yes,

1013
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: Chris Smitheman says, vote for maybe four or five that

1014
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: you like because because of the top nine vote getters

1015
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: get in. So and he makes a good point that

1016
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: if if you if you vote for nine, your vote

1017
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: gets watered down a little bit. If you vote for

1018
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: only three or four or five, then your vote has

1019
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: a little bit more.

1020
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: Now if you, yeah, really vote for the people, and

1021
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: that's important. You know, it is a field race, and

1022
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: you're part of the field race. Aspect is you don't

1023
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 2: have to vote for all number of votes that you

1024
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: are allowed up to nine and for citiz Cincinnati City Council,

1025
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: because think about it, if I vote want three people,

1026
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: really I vote for those three and I stop because

1027
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: I would hate for my person to lose by one vote,

1028
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: and that one vote was the that was the fourth

1029
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: or fifth vote I did on my ballot, right, you

1030
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 2: don't want that, you and you know it's almost that

1031
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: in a certain sense, doubling your vote. If you don't vote,

1032
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: if you vote for three or four as opposed to nine,

1033
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 2: you're almost doubling your vote because you' not giving votes

1034
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 2: to other candidates who might slip by your really preferred candidates.

1035
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: And that's the way to do these races, you know.

1036
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: And interesting when you have these field races, it doesn't

1037
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: take all that many votes to win. You don't have

1038
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 2: to be number one vote getter's top nine vote geters.

1039
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 2: And you know what they call the person who got

1040
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: the most votes versus the person who came in number nine, councilman,

1041
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: council member. That's it same. So it's no difference. And

1042
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: you know, you look at the past numbers. Back in

1043
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: four years ago, twenty twenty one, there were about thirty

1044
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: two thirty three people running. You know, the number nine

1045
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 2: vot geter was list keating with sixteen seven hundred votes

1046
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 2: in the city of Cincinnati. So there you go, that's

1047
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: doable on and with twenty six people running, it opens

1048
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: it up a lot. It's not ten people running with

1049
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: we have two years ago, which then then it was

1050
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: just people part of voting the Democrat Party slate Jared Amelia,

1051
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: how are you tonight? Hey? Jim?

1052
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 9: Is this y?

1053
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? This is you, Jim. What's going on?

1054
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 3: Hey?

1055
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 9: Did you hear that interview with the police chief's brother

1056
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 9: with cunning had today?

1057
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I've heard.

1058
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: I've heard him on a couple of times, and he

1059
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: is he is the one a great job, I think

1060
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: speaking on behalf of his sister.

1061
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 9: But he was talking about disrespect and.

1062
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: Then there's a lot of that going on.

1063
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 9: And a couple of weeks ago, Counningham prepared the police

1064
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 9: chief like some Dutch boy paint, saying on a paint

1065
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 9: can do you remember that?

1066
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: No? I don't, I don't remember.

1067
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't remember Cunningham comparing the police chief to the

1068
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: dutch boy paint. Can I don't. I don't think that's happening.

1069
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: Look teresag to my way of thinking. She there was

1070
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: a couple of them, and we talked about this earlier

1071
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: a couple of times when she didn't do herself any

1072
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: favor by the comments that she made. But I think

1073
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: when you look at the body of work that she

1074
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: has put in as police chief, really, I really don't

1075
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: know how you can how you can find fault with

1076
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: She wouldn't have been the police chief as long as

1077
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: she has been if she was not trying to work

1078
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: within the guidelines that this administration later or.

1079
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: The restrictions that I guess restriction is a better word.

1080
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is with the police chief is yeah,

1082
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 2: you even agree or disagree. Maybe you had big criticism

1083
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 2: the way Aftab and share a long city manager have

1084
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 2: handled this has been just a textbook of how what

1085
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: not to do well.

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00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: The other component of this is that the mayor has not,

1087
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,479
Speaker 1: to my knowledge, has not made any overtures or any

1088
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: effort at all to talk with the judges in Hamilton

1089
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: County and say, look, we need you to keep these

1090
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: people locked up, be.

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00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 2: More serious, be more get rid of your progressive politics.

1092
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: But the protat has not has not gone problem. Understand,

1093
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: the Democrat Party nationally and the Democrat Party locally has

1094
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: become has been hijacked or taken over by that anti police,

1095
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 2: rehabilitative justice whatever that means. That that no bonds, low bonds.

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00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: I want you to figure out what that because I

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00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: was going to ask you what that means, restored restored justice.

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00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 2: Thank you.

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00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not with an answer. It's not your fault.

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00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: That's what it means. It's not your fault. All right, Well,

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00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: I think about that again. We'll have a coherent answer

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00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: on that on the other side. But we got to

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00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: get to a break right now. Ten twenty five. It

1104
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: is the Thursday night edition of the Midweek Crisis on

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00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: seven hundred WW.

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Speaker 2: This is Jeff for tri statement.

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Speaker 1: Back on the Big One seven hundred W l W

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00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: ten thirty eight. This is the Thursday night edition of

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00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: the midweek Crisis, Dan Carrol, Kurt Hartman hanging out and

1110
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: talking about election and we're looking looking at the judges

1111
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 1: right now. You know, there's our buddy. Andrew Pappus says

1112
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: all the time that you really need to when it

1113
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: comes to elections, even though this is an off year election.

1114
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: There you know you're not voting for president. You know,

1115
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: we don't have a governor's race. I don't think we

1116
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 1: have any state issues on the ballot. He always talks

1117
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: about your MIC's not on there, you go there, you

1118
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: got I am here, I heard you and no one

1119
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: else here. But he always makes the point that local

1120
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: elections are the most important ones and you really need

1121
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: to get out of effect.

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00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: You on a day to day Basi's more so than

1123
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 2: any other election, but so much.

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00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: When I talked to Ken Kober, the head of the FOP,

1125
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: our conversation almost every single time turns to the frustration

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00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: that Cincinnati police have because of people who commit crimes,

1127
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: go into the system and then get let out to do.

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00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: What to commit more crime? Yeah, And.

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00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is it seems to me

1130
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: that this was not the way things were fifteen.

1131
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: Or twenty or thirty years ago.

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00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: It seems to me that you and we were joking

1133
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: about it before we went to the break about that.

1134
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: You know, we have so many of these judges who

1135
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: believe in this restorative justice or whatever that term is.

1136
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: And it's how does this kind of thinking make its

1137
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: way into people who wind up on the bench.

1138
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 2: Because if you really look, and it's true across academia,

1139
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: in the universities, in law schools, I really think in

1140
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: over the past decades, since the late nineteen sixties, there's

1141
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 2: been this systemic infiltration of the universities by the far

1142
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 2: left Marxists. They become the educators. They then throw these

1143
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 2: concepts out. You know when I when I was in

1144
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 2: law school in the early nineties, you know, we already

1145
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: had those classes law and the law and the women

1146
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: with law. In this law it's really not how to

1147
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: practice law. It was more this attitude towards the law.

1148
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: But it should be. But when you get when you

1149
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 2: got Marxist who are anti American, dead set on undermining

1150
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: and really overthrowing the American system, the Western civilization, they

1151
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,479
Speaker 2: start propagandizing this and they started at the undergraduate level.

1152
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 2: You go to graduate school, when you get it there

1153
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 2: and you know, it creates the you know, law is

1154
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: white privilege, Law is creating victims out of you, et cetera,

1155
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 2: as opposed to law is yearning. Yeah, not perfect, but

1156
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: the yearning in terms of equality and equal opportunity, equal treatment.

1157
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 2: They don't see it as that. And again it goes

1158
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: back to I really believe it goes back to in

1159
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 2: aspects of power, when governmental political and governmental power over

1160
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: other people's lives. And so when you go through a

1161
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: system like that, you know, and you create this brainwashing

1162
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: in doctor nation, whatever you want to call it, you

1163
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 2: get those people out in the legal profession. You know,

1164
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 2: I need to upset, be disruptive of what used the

1165
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 2: law to be a disruptor because it's racism, it's patriarchy,

1166
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 2: it's you know, use whatever cliche phrase they use. And

1167
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: then you get people. We get that. Like I said,

1168
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party today both nationally and locally, has been

1169
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: taken over or is now the progressive wing of that

1170
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 2: party that is the mainstream Democratic Party, and they put

1171
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: forth people for these offices, both on city council as

1172
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: well a it's on the bench that have this attitude

1173
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: that I'm here to change the whole system, right, you know,

1174
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 2: as opposed to improving the system. They don't want to

1175
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: improve the system, they want to change the system. But

1176
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: who does that serve though? I think about that, and

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00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: I have no doubt that there was a time in

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00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 2: this country when minorities, black individuals, or if you were

1179
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 2: a non white person, they had their their time in court.

1180
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 2: And I think there's probably a lot of defendants who

1181
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 2: got railroads certain in different ways.

1182
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: I'll agree with you absolutely, but and I think a

1183
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: lot of those issues have been addressed. I would imagine

1184
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: there are pockets of it where it happens. I like

1185
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: to think that it didn't happen that much in Hamilton County,

1186
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: at least in the in the experience. And I like

1187
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: to think that we've been lucky. And I talked to

1188
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:30,919
Speaker 1: uh uh to uh some different judges about this over

1189
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: over the time, over time, and I think we've been

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00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: lucky in Hamilton County that we've had a lot of

1191
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: people who took people at the courthouse, you know, judges

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00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: and prosecutors who took their job seriously and you know,

1193
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: didn't provide any favors for those who were connected and

1194
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: then didn't screw people over who you know, weren't part

1195
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: of a certain class a.

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00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: Day, didn't meets a certain check mark. State boxes justice.

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00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: Really, I think we we strove to have justice really

1198
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: be blinds. But but but if if you have, if

1199
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: you have all these past wrongs and then and then

1200
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: you have defendants come before you today, how does it

1201
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: serve those who were wronged in the past by cutting

1202
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: a brake or being lenient to those who commit crimes today?

1203
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: And a perfect example is this dude, Shaquille Ferguson. He

1204
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: was in court today and there's going to be He's

1205
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: going to be held on I mean no bond. Okay,

1206
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: So Shaquille Ferguson violated his probation on a on a

1207
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: felony conviction just three months ago. So this dude was

1208
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: convicted of a felony three months ago, and yet he's

1209
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: free to run around Fountain Square and open fire into

1210
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: a restaurant and only by the grace of God, no

1211
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: one was no one was killed in that shooting. But

1212
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 1: you know, how does it serve how does it serve

1213
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, the people of Cincinnati well or Hamilton County

1214
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: that this guy, after being just convicted on a felony

1215
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: conviction is out running the streets.

1216
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: Well, let me experience from the bench, right, Yeah, I

1217
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: was recent actually, I was recently talking to one of

1218
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: my former colleagues who's still on the bench about this recently,

1219
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 2: and this judge that pointed out and it was true

1220
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 2: when I was there is you know, there's the state law.

1221
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: We're bound by as judges to follow the law. And

1222
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 2: the law you know, everybody who's convicted of a felony

1223
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 2: doesn't get sent to prison. Yeah, when I when I

1224
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: was there, you know, we have five levels of felonies, first, second, third, fourth,

1225
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: and fifth degree felonies. When I was on the bench,

1226
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 2: if you got convicted of a fourth or fifth degree felony,

1227
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 2: which are the lower level felonies, there was a presumption

1228
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 2: that you should be based placed on probation. And it

1229
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: was really difficult, nearly impossible, if you will, to send

1230
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 2: somebody like that to prison for a fourth or a

1231
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: fifth degree felony was a presumption you place them on probation.

1232
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: Third degree felony. At that time, it was neither presumption

1233
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: first or second degree felony presumption to send them to prison.

1234
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 2: So depending upon what they're convicted of as a felony,

1235
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 2: matters there since I've been there. There was a program

1236
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 2: in I don't have the details, but t CAP where

1237
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: the state was even putting more restrictions on the ability

1238
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 2: of judges to send people to prison, to be honest

1239
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 2: with you, and part of it is the sentencing structure

1240
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: in state law handicaps the judges in certain instances that

1241
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 2: even on a third degree felony, now it is difficult

1242
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 2: to send somebody to prison because that's what the law mandates,

1243
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: and that the Prison Bureau of Prisons will not be

1244
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 2: taking people in those instances. So just because they're convicted

1245
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: of felony again, you got to get better fact what

1246
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: their history is. You've got to develop what their whole

1247
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: history is. But you know, person point judge pointing out

1248
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 2: to me, if somebody comes before them, you know, having

1249
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 2: a what we call having a weapon that's under disability,

1250
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 2: that they have a prior felony conviction, if that felony

1251
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 2: conviction was they as a juvenile, that's all you know.

1252
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 2: You have no clue. You cannot get any records or

1253
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: information about what their juvenile record was other than they

1254
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 2: were had this juvenile adjudication, and you have no clue.

1255
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 2: The violent whether it's violent or not, whether a gun

1256
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 2: was involved, and that becomes a third degree felony, and

1257
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 2: they can't and they're getting that prep all those records expunge.

1258
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: Now juvenile records not expunge, but they're sealed or they're

1259
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 2: you can't get out, you can't, there's limited access. You

1260
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 2: you can know what they what they were convicted of

1261
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 2: or Adjudicated's not a conviction in juvenile called they were

1262
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 2: adjudicated delinquent based on this type of offense. But that's

1263
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 2: about it. That all they know. And so the information

1264
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: they have if they come as a twenty year old

1265
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 2: in front of the judge having this weapon because and

1266
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 2: can't have a weapon because of their juvenile judication, that's

1267
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: all the judge knows. And that's really not enough under

1268
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 2: the law to send them to prison. And so part

1269
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 2: of the the structure is what the General Assembly, the

1270
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 2: legislative state legislature has dictated to the judges. So the

1271
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 2: fact that you know the fact that what the real

1272
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 2: issue comes in, and this is where the municipal court

1273
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 2: races are important, is setting bonds when they are arrested

1274
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 2: before their conviction. You know, we got a lot of judges.

1275
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 2: A lot of the liberal progressive judges on the municipal

1276
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 2: court bed which where the bonds are set, are very deferential.

1277
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 2: Just you promised to come back to court, Okay, no

1278
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 2: bond or one hundred dollars or a ten percent bond,

1279
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 2: and they're in and out. And that's you know, And

1280
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 2: that's why these municipal court races here in the off

1281
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 2: years that are coming up are so important, because those

1282
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 2: are the judges that do the initial appearance, the initial arraignment,

1283
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 2: set the bonds initially. Yeah.

1284
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: I think it was Berklewooz who was on with Cunningham

1285
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and he was talking about

1286
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: all the empty beds at.

1287
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 2: The Hamilton count Justice Yeah.

1288
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: And that used to I know a few years ago

1289
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: it was Todd. They were talking about how they've got

1290
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: crowd Yeah, over crowded. You've got you know, three or

1291
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:00,959
Speaker 1: four or five dudes in a cell that was built

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Speaker 1: for two or three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But he and back then and that's not the case.

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01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 2: That's not the case. But back then it's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: you can't send everybody one. There's the presumption of innocence

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Speaker 2: if you're accused of a crime. You're presumed innocence, but

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Speaker 2: there are other factors that go into it, the seriousness

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Speaker 2: of the charge, the strength of the evidence against the person. Uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, in public safety, you know, you know, and

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Speaker 2: part of that obligation is on the prosecutors to know

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Speaker 2: about the case. One time, and I was doing how

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Speaker 2: many how many crimes are on video?

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Speaker 1: When when I heard that Marty Brennaman's statue, yes, was

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01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: was vandalized it Great American Ballpark over the weekend. The

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Speaker 1: first thing I said, I said, They've got to have

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Speaker 1: video cameras down there. They've got to have surveillance cameras

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Speaker 1: down there. And then sure enough, twelve hours later, here's

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Speaker 1: the video of the dude, you know, some thirteen year

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Speaker 1: old kids breaking a statue down there.

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Speaker 2: But I saw the mother said keep him in. The

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Speaker 2: mother the old saw I thank you, mom. I just

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01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 2: saw a headline or something on a story on that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you mom. Yeah, thank thank you.

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Speaker 10: But you know, no, no, and you know, and you know,

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Speaker 10: I've set bonds before when I was on the bench

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Speaker 10: and you know, doing arraignments, and every now and then

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01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 10: it's like, okay, the one time, I remember one guy

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01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 10: had an attorney with him and his attorneys arguing for

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Speaker 10: a lower bond.

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Speaker 2: Oh we want this, And it's like I opened the

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Speaker 2: rule that said, here's factors a b C D to consider,

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Speaker 2: and one of those factors was the strength of the evidence.

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01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 2: I do the prosecutor, what evidence do you have? I

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01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 2: don't know, Judge, And it's like, wait a minute, that's

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01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 2: one of the factors I'm supposed to consider in terms

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Speaker 2: of setting bond. And you don't know. Well, when the

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01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 2: prosecution says, I don't know, Judge, that's that's a problem exactly.

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01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 2: And I gave guy you know, and then you know,

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01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 2: I remember another you know, and I remember another time

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01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 2: I d got request to reduce bond. I said, remember

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01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 2: this mother comes in. Uh, I forget if she was worked.

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01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 2: I think she worked either for the I think she

1333
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 2: worked for the federal government, either Post office or or

1334
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 2: something like that. And she comes in and she's like, Judge,

1335
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 2: he's the black sheep of this family. I got two

1336
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 2: good daughters, ones in the military, ones who I'm trying.

1337
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 2: But she was a very responsible mother, and I reduced

1338
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 2: the bond. But because I trusted the mother, and it

1339
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 2: worked out fine. But you know, so you've got a factor.

1340
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 2: You can't send everybody who's arrested just to hold them

1341
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: in jail till they go to trial, you know, because

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01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 2: that underminds presumption of innocence. But you've got to fake

1343
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 2: way these facts and it's difficult as a judge, It

1344
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 2: is difficult, and you know, I know.

1345
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: But it just seems like it gets to the point

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01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: where not everyone is on the same team.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you there, the consistency, the standards, the expectations.

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Speaker 1: I know so many police officers who are on the

1349
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: street who are constantly running in and arresting the same

1350
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: people over and over.

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01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 2: And over again.

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01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: That yeah, and they and they go in front of

1353
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: whatever judge in Hamilton County, throw down a hundo and

1354
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: they're on their way out the door.

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01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 2: Hey, you were out on bond and then you committed

1356
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 2: another crime and now you're back and for it. Bam,

1357
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 2: your bond's.

1358
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: Higher and you cut off your ankle monitor and and

1359
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: you know it's no one knew about it.

1360
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 2: I agree that that, you know, you know, it's kind

1361
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 2: of one one for me, one shame on you for me,

1362
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 2: twice shame on me. That's kind of the attitude. Yeah,

1363
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 2: I had you. Like I said, you want to be

1364
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 2: respectful of that presumption of innocence. You want to try

1365
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 2: to apply the rules and the standards they give you.

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01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 2: And you know that's that's the way the system should work.

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01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 2: It's not perfect, you know, I mean, Heaven forbid, you know,

1368
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 2: and your part in the back of your mind, you

1369
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 2: always well, if I let this guy out on bond,

1370
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 2: is he what if he goes and does something? You see?

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Speaker 2: I mean, just what you just said.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me that a lot of judges don't

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01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: take that into consideration at all.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't.

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Speaker 1: This person's going to get out and go and recaving

1376
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: somewhere else. You want to hear from one of my

1377
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Speaker 1: favorite callers, Yes I do, Alice and Clairemont County Alice,

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Speaker 1: How are you tonight?

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Speaker 5: Very well? Thank you for taking my call.

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Speaker 2: As always, thank you so much.

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01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: I just said you're one of my favorite callers. Do

1382
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: you feel good about that?

1383
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 5: Yes?

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01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 6: I do.

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01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 5: And your show is appointment listening.

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01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: You're the best. See why she's one of my favorite

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Speaker 2: Where are you from in Claremont County, Alice? What part

1388
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 2: of Claremont County, Amelia? That's the area I grew up

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Speaker 2: decades ago.

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Speaker 5: And yes, I left Cincinnati when I saw the direction

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Speaker 5: the city was going in. Uh, And I'm proud of

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Speaker 5: that decision. Now, question, we have all these juveniles who

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Speaker 5: are running around and they've been given curfews, they've had

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01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 5: midnight basketball, art and craft classes, and I'm wondering, why

1395
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,480
Speaker 5: can't the parents be brought in to be held responsible.

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01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 5: These kids are a result of poor parenting. Why can't

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Speaker 5: bring the parents in and hit them in pocket books?

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Speaker 5: Parents have to be responsible. They brought them into the world.

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Speaker 6: Parents.

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Speaker 1: I know that's been talked about from time to time.

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01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 1: Is that is there is there a way to make

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01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: that work in reality? Is there a way that you

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01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: think that something like that could work to really hard I'm.

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01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 2: Thinking thinking there Alice Partially, I mean when you have

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Speaker 2: when they go through the juvenile court system. I never

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01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 2: I don't practice in juvenile court. Uh. But you know,

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01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 2: the parents should be there as part of the case.

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01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 2: And I would expect, I would hope, but I'm not

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01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: convinced with at least one of our juvenal court judges.

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01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 2: That's something. Sometimes it's not lecturing the juveniles, it's lecturing

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Speaker 2: the parents. I'm kind of putting standards on the parents

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01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 2: there and then and you know, you know, you're kind

1413
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 2: of a family judge. You're fine kind of trying to

1414
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 2: do this, you know, but also on you know, on

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01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 2: the counterview, and I agree with Alice in terms of

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01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,959
Speaker 2: parents need to be helped be responsible. I'm also cautious

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01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 2: that I don't want the government always coming in and

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01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 2: telling a parent how to parent either, because that's a

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01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,719
Speaker 2: that's a slipper, that's a slippery, slippery slope. I'm sorry,

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01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 2: you know, I mean in some places not I think

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01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 2: in Oregon and Washington State. Maybe you know, it's child

1422
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 2: abuse if your child wants to change gender and you,

1423
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 2: as a parent, say no, because the government is coming

1424
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 2: in and saying we know what's best for your child, You,

1425
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 2: the parent, don't coming and that's that s the pretty

1426
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: and you know it's it's like so it's a fine line.

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01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 2: You know, how much do you tell the parent you're

1428
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 2: not being a good parent. You and I might see it,

1429
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 2: but you know, and it's saying you don't want people

1430
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 2: the right to make mistakes. But it's sad and it's

1431
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 2: problematic when parents are making the mistakes and how the

1432
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 2: raising children it's one thing when they make the mistake

1433
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 2: and effects only themselves. So but I think in terms

1434
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 2: of the juvenile court system, I think we need to

1435
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 2: be more aggressive. I think we get this attitude of well,

1436
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 2: you're only a child, you don't understand. I'm sorry. You know,

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01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 2: kids younger and younger they get they are smarter and

1438
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 2: smarter each each year.

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Speaker 1: We go along right and sometimes not in a good way. Alice,

1440
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: we got to run, we got to get to a break.

1441
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 1: But as always, I appreciate you listening. I appreciate you

1442
01:10:59,479 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: picking up.

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01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 6: The thank you, thank you out.

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01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next time.

1445
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: So Alice and Claremont County, uh, one of my absolute favorites.

1446
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 2: Ten fifty five. We got to get to a break.

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01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 1: News coming up top of the hour, but we roll

1448
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 1: on till midnight tonight on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 11: Ghost are for costumes, not hiding in your air ducks

1450
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 11: and lurking throughout your home. Who knows the amount of

1451
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 11: dustin pollute WU.

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01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 2: It's eleven oh seven, man, this night is flying right by.

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01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: It's the Thursday night edition of the Midweek Crisis. Dan

1454
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: kle or Kurt Hartman with you till midnight tonight talking elections.

1455
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:43,719
Speaker 1: I am not on the air between now and election day.

1456
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,440
Speaker 2: So I had to do it tonight.

1457
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: Otherwise, if people didn't listen to me, how would they

1458
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: know who to vote for?

1459
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 2: How would they know? How would they know?

1460
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: How would they know who to vote for? It was

1461
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: like when I was in TV and it would snow,

1462
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: and then you go outside and sell people. Hey, it's

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01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: snowing outside, tell me something, you know. The one thing

1464
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 1: when I was on TV when it when it was

1465
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: snowing outside, I never told people and I never said, hey, uh,

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01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, stay home if you if you can stay home.

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01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 1: I never said that because it's it's it's not up

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01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: to me to tell you to stay home. They what

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01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 1: I would say, though, I would say, look, you gotta

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01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: this is one of those days the snow was really bad.

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Speaker 1: I would say, this is one of those days where

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Speaker 1: you have to evaluate yourself as a driver if you drive.

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01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: If you're a good driver in the snow, then then

1474
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: have at it. But if you're not good, then then

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01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 1: think about it before you go out. Is how I

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01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 1: would I would set it up.

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Speaker 2: However, I think I'm pretty good driver in the snow.

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01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 2: That's not my that's not my criteria. My criteria is

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01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 2: how are the other drivers? That's what I'm that's my favor.

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01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: It's like, if you're a bad driver, be honest, if

1481
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 1: you look, I'm not a good driver in the snow,

1482
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: then no shame in staying home.

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01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 2: But if only if only good drivers went out in

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Speaker 2: the snow, I would be fine. The fact is, I

1485
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 2: know bad drivers in the snow go out in the snow, and.

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Speaker 1: That's what concerns me. So that that kind of brings

1487
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: us full circle. We started talking about the snowplows. You know,

1488
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Speaker 1: we thought the snow flows were going to be the

1489
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Speaker 1: major issue this year, but it turned out, you know,

1490
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 1: crime and punishment and all that, all that stuff, and

1491
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: now we got complete chaos at city hall. It's an

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01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: absolute mess, and the city manager is completely incompetent. I

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01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 1: don't think there's any question about that. So so we were

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Speaker 1: talking about judge. So let me let me take you

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Speaker 1: at one point on that.

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Speaker 2: Just come up. I agree with your city manager is incompetent.

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Speaker 2: We have nine members on city council. Have any of

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01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: them called her out for her incompetence? Have any called

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Speaker 2: out for her resignation? No?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, not none. To my way of thinking. You've got

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01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 1: all the these nine members of council. You've got Albie Kramerding, Jeffrey,

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01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: Scottie Johnson. Love you, Scottie Johnson, but you gotta go,

1503
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: brother jam Michelle lemon Kearney, Seth Walsh, meek Owens. See

1504
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: you get him out of there. It's not working. You

1505
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: need a change. Get him out of there. So I

1506
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,799
Speaker 1: I am not endorsing any of them for a counsel.

1507
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm endorsing Smitherman. I'm gonna endor endorse Keating. I like,

1508
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: I like Stephan Pryor. To Stephan Pryor. Look, this is

1509
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: the guy I met Stephan Pryor. Uh three or four

1510
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: years ago. I'm driving through Avondale and I see a

1511
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 1: sign in a person's yard and the sign reads, teach

1512
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: your son not to kill my son. I've already taught

1513
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: my son not to kill yours. And I'm thinking, man,

1514
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: that is a provocative sign. Hey, this this is a

1515
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: and and I said, I got to find out who

1516
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: put that sign out and get him on the show.

1517
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 1: And it turns out with Stephan Pryor, who was the

1518
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: son of Aaron Pryor the Hawk. Yes, and So I've

1519
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: had Stephan on the show a number of times. And

1520
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 1: this is a guy who who who walks the walk.

1521
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:00,759
Speaker 1: He's been out on the street working with young people,

1522
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: trying to convince him that there's a better way to

1523
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 1: settle your arguments, settle your disputes than then picking up

1524
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: a gun. And he's done things like he he'll he'll

1525
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 1: have kids go up to Eden Park and in the

1526
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: in the reflecting pool there, he'll they'll they'll do radio

1527
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: controlled boats. And I mean he's put boxing events together.

1528
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: He's done all kinds of stuff.

1529
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 2: He walks the wall. He does he doesn't talk to talk,

1530
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 2: he walks the way. He's out there on the street.

1531
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: And I remember when when the city came up with

1532
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:37,879
Speaker 1: these auditioning different initiatives to try and come back gun violence,

1533
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: and I and they, I don't know. They had some

1534
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: couple of guys came in from California and said, oh,

1535
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: we got this great plan, you know, and it's only

1536
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: going to cost you fifty or sixty thousand dollars and

1537
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: pay us his money and we'll put this play. They

1538
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. And I said, why didn't they talk

1539
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: to you? You're out there, you're talking with the kids

1540
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: on the street. You know what, you know what's going on.

1541
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: But no, they didn't want to talk to a guy

1542
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: like him.

1543
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 2: Because it goes back to my comment the last last

1544
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 2: half hour. We got these people in city Hall who

1545
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 2: talk to people. We're the smartest people. We're telling you

1546
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 2: what you need to think and do as opposed to

1547
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 2: listening to people. And that's that's reiterates that point.

1548
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: The Republican endorsed candidates for city Council are Gary Favors

1549
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: and Linda Matthews, as well as well as Liz Keith

1550
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: and Liz Keating. I do not so we already endorsed

1551
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: Liz Keating. I do not know anything about Gary Favors.

1552
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 2: What do you know about Linda Linda. I know Linda

1553
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 2: has been involved in the party, very supportive and been

1554
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 2: out there and involved. So I think Linda again heart

1555
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 2: of concern to the community as well. So I think

1556
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 2: then Linda would be a serious person. Though.

1557
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the most part, I think we need serious

1558
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:49,799
Speaker 1: people on city Council.

1559
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 2: I think we need Yeah, I think in a certain

1560
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 2: sense we need serious people. I think we also need

1561
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 2: it would be healthy to get different viewpoints on city Council. Yeah,

1562
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 2: maybe not even people I necessarily agree with one hundred

1563
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 2: percent or ninety percent of the time. I think you

1564
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 2: need people are who are going to ask the critical questions,

1565
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 2: and that's really what I think would be healthy, you know.

1566
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 2: And again, call out the city manager and call for

1567
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 2: a resignation if you think she's as opposed to just

1568
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 2: sit there so docile on city Council and not saying

1569
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 2: anything because oh we're all Democrats and I'm not allowed

1570
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,560
Speaker 2: to say anything. I'm sorry, people, your priority should be

1571
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 2: the City of Cincinnati, not your political party, you know,

1572
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 2: and that's important there, you know, you talk about who

1573
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 2: else I would point out. I think Steve Gooden would

1574
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 2: be good to get back to get back back on

1575
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 2: city Council as well, So you know, there's there's four

1576
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 2: or five of them out there with that, I think.

1577
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 2: And like you said, you don't have to vote on

1578
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 2: nine and shouldn't vote on nine. Put more punch in

1579
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 2: the four or five votes that you do, not not

1580
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 2: nine votes. That just waters down your votes. And so

1581
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 2: I think that and again hopefully people, I'm just sorry

1582
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 2: people cannot be happy with the statu quo in the

1583
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati. It would just it would dumbfound me

1584
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 2: for people to say things are going right, it's the

1585
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:11,759
Speaker 2: right direction, and therefore people it is time for a change.

1586
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: Please not I would I would like to be talking

1587
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: about something different. Look, I don't talk about the city

1588
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: politics or what happens in the city on every show,

1589
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: but when I do talk about it, it seems like

1590
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: it's always the same thing. I would like to be

1591
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 1: talking about. When when the street car was happening, I

1592
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 1: talked about the street car all the time.

1593
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 3: And.

1594
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 1: Milton Dhoney was a city manager, then what what what

1595
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: a mess?

1596
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 2: That guy was?

1597
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 1: What an absolute carpet begger. He was Josh Burkle at City,

1598
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: County or Municipal Court district. For yes, that's a competitive

1599
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: district that you know in Hamilton Judge's he comes on

1600
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 1: this radio station dushod with with Cunningham time to time,

1601
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: and the guy's fantastic.

1602
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 2: And he's out there in the community. He's not in

1603
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 2: this ivory tower of the courthouse, which is it's good

1604
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 2: you're out there. You kind of know what's going on.

1605
01:18:58,200 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 2: You get a feel for what's going on the street. Now,

1606
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 2: should realize in Hamilton County or municipal court elections are

1607
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 2: not county wide. So we have districts in Hamilton County

1608
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 2: for municipal courts. So they got drawn up in the

1609
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 2: late eighties, early nineties. I'm in Josh Burger Wisha's district.

1610
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 2: I'm not sure so and so yeah, so what what

1611
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 2: you had it was basically if a settlement of a

1612
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 2: Federal Voting Rights Act lawsuit, because back in the eighties

1613
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 2: and nineties when we were doing elections county wide, we

1614
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 2: weren't electing any African Americans to any judicial bench. And

1615
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 2: the kind of did a settlement to get hey, well,

1616
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 2: set up these districts, and some districts will be so

1617
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 2: heavily Democrat late eighties, early nineties. Really yeah, okay, I

1618
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 2: don't know, that's the late late Bill Mallory. Uh. Bill

1619
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 2: Mallory Senior was well, she's on common please, that's kind

1620
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 2: of John Westcott on the bench. Those are county wide,

1621
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 2: and I agree with you know, that's what you do,

1622
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 2: and you know they're fantasticcomms sense. But so we have

1623
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 2: these districts. So honestly, some districts are very strong Republican districts,

1624
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 2: some of the East west Side districts, some districts are

1625
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 2: very strong Democrats, and then some are kind of leaning

1626
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 2: one way or the other. Uh to two Republican districts

1627
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 2: are leaning Republican, but not overly whelmingly. And district for

1628
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 2: with Judge Burger, which is one of them. But but

1629
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 2: you know, he he is good, common sense, fair, fair

1630
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 2: in terms of bond setting, you know, but but recognizes

1631
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 2: and and it's been on the bench with that experience,

1632
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 2: you know. You know, interesting if you think about municipal

1633
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 2: court and you know, I did common pleas did the

1634
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 2: felony cases. Municipal courts we have the traffic offenses and

1635
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 2: the municipal and the misdemeanor offenses, you know, but what

1636
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 2: is the gateway to felony offenses are misdemeanors, Right, People

1637
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 2: start off and then they build out. And the good

1638
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 2: what makes a really good municipal court judge is having

1639
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 2: the defendant there in front of you. They just got

1640
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 2: convicted of something, and they have to assess is this

1641
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 2: a one time deal that I'm never going to see

1642
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 2: this person again, or is this the gateway that they're

1643
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 2: going to be a perpetual visitor. And that's where the

1644
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 2: judges of municipal court are so important and needing to

1645
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 2: have that experience to be able to if you will

1646
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 2: separate the week from the chaff. This is a one

1647
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 2: time fine. We'll take care of him and then for

1648
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 2: see him again versus I need to stop this person

1649
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 2: before it gets even more serious. And Judge Burke Woods

1650
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 2: is good in that regard. It's good in terms of

1651
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 2: setting bonds as well. We talked about that earlier. You know,

1652
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 2: when do you set a high bond? When don't you

1653
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 2: set a high bond? Yeah?

1654
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:38,440
Speaker 1: How come there's no common please court. Those are even years,

1655
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 1: even years on common common pleas. All right, So what

1656
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 1: then when the common police one's coming around, we'll have

1657
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 1: to do another one of these.

1658
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely when that happens. And we got to get

1659
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 2: Betsy Sunderman in there. Yeah, she's in a district that's

1660
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 2: kind of Josh Burke Wish's district is kind of goes

1661
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 2: from and I'm going to miss them areas at Norwood

1662
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 2: and kind of neanders out into the eastern suburbs of

1663
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 2: and Township new Town and then I'm not sure exactly

1664
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 2: how it manders there. Betsy Sunderman's more in the northeast corner.

1665
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 2: Simms Township Sycamore Loveland area. So uh, those are the

1666
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:14,879
Speaker 2: kind of the two areas that are the big contested

1667
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 2: races for municipal Court this year.

1668
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 1: Mike Peck and District six, Yeah, Central Saint Bernard area.

1669
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: Mike's been on.

1670
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,520
Speaker 2: Mike was a prosecutor. He's actually one of the prosecutors,

1671
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 2: my room prosecutor. When I was on the bench, I

1672
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: got to know Mike very well. They're very good, very professional,

1673
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 2: does a good job on the bench.

1674
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:38,679
Speaker 1: And then Gwen Bender District seven seven grand and former

1675
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: prosecutor as well. I got a point and then re elected,

1676
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: then elected to the bench, and that's her district. That

1677
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 1: is I think more than one of those west Side

1678
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: if I will safe Republican district. But you know, they all,

1679
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,600
Speaker 1: all of the judges, all of them have that experience

1680
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 1: both in terms of private and practice, the private practice

1681
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: whereas prosecutors and on the bench that you really is critical,

1682
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: especially I think on the municipal court bench more even

1683
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 1: more so than the common Police bench. And then obviously

1684
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: for for mayor, it's it's time what what what the

1685
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 1: what does Aft tab Purval do if he's not if

1686
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: he's not in office or running for office.

1687
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 2: I will tell you this, if Aft tap pure Vote

1688
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 2: loses this election, he's got a law I think he's

1689
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 2: got he's got alaw degree from UC But I will

1690
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 2: tell you he will find another government job. That's what

1691
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 2: I find so amazing with people, either with people who

1692
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 2: are judges and lose the election or whatnot, you know,

1693
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 2: or you get appointed to something somewhere, some other job.

1694
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 2: You know, I look at you know, Tom Barredon who

1695
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 2: beat me and got on the Common Police bench for

1696
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 2: two years, lost that election.

1697
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 1: That's like more of a party function than anything else,

1698
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 1: isn't it to when when you if you get voted

1699
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: out of office, then you was all, they'll find a.

1700
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 2: Job for you. But you know, but or they're created.

1701
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 2: You know the Democrats, and the Democrats took over the

1702
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 2: Common Policeman, they start creating positions. I mean when I

1703
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 2: was there, we had we had one magistrate. Now they

1704
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 2: got like three or four magistrates and they still don't

1705
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 2: get stuff done. And it's like they just keep creating jobs.

1706
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 2: They created a job of a public information officer for

1707
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 2: the Common Police. Cort gave it to some Democrat party

1708
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 2: hack and could never figure out what she did. She

1709
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 2: got seventy eighty thousand dollars of a government job, create

1710
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 2: a job. Yeah, and then she ends up quitting and

1711
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 2: they never refill the position where she got fired or

1712
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:45,600
Speaker 2: resigned or all the above. And it's like that's what

1713
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 2: they especially with the Democrats, that just create more jobs.

1714
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 2: And so if after word to lose this election, mark

1715
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 2: my words, he will get some government job somewhere. Now.

1716
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 2: There was rumors last year that he was looking for

1717
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 2: a position in the Biden administration, that he was going

1718
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 2: to leave town because he's not happy as mayor and

1719
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 2: go off to the Biden administration. Well, thankfully, thankfully that's

1720
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 2: not available for it. That took a job. The council

1721
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 2: member who was.

1722
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: And then and and then it was and it was

1723
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 1: it was like a month before the election.

1724
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 2: It was like summer, it was in the summer or something. Yeah,

1725
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 2: it was.

1726
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: And then and then the election was over, Biden got

1727
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 1: voted out and that was the end of that job.

1728
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 2: Yes, I remember, I remember who he was.

1729
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 1: Who was I can't remember who that was, but I

1730
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: remember at the time thinking that was, why the heck

1731
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:37,480
Speaker 1: why he probably not the greatest.

1732
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 2: Reggie Harris Cincinnati Council. Remember Reggie Harris resigns and takes

1733
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 2: a job in the Biden administration. This was in let

1734
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 2: me see, this is an article from September of twenty

1735
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:52,839
Speaker 2: twenty four. So he took a job in the Department

1736
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 2: of Housing and Urban Development. Yeah, for two months, three months,

1737
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 2: you know, I mean it. He called a I used

1738
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 2: to call Reggie up and say, so, how was that?

1739
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 2: It's on the resume. Now it takes you two to

1740
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 2: three months to figure out where the bathrooms are? Right, Okay,

1741
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 2: you figured out where at the Hut office where the

1742
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 2: bathrooms are. Now, what are you gonna do? So, I

1743
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 2: mean maybe they were so confident they were gonna win.

1744
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, never have you seen those

1745
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 2: office buildings in d C.

1746
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean the outside is some of the ugliest

1747
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 1: buildings in the world. Some of those different you know,

1748
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 1: the Department's Department of Labor and you know, Housing and

1749
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: Urban Development and you know whatever other departments are there.

1750
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 1: So some of them are Yeah, the modern sides are amazing. Yeah, well,

1751
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, the outside look like amazing. When it was

1752
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: I was up in I think it was February of

1753
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 1: last year. I was up there and went to conference

1754
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 1: and I was across the river over in Crystal City,

1755
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 1: which had all these office buildings, and it was amazing

1756
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 1: to me most of them were empty.

1757
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean that's the thing, you know, that, and

1758
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 2: that it was kind of a legacy of work from home,

1759
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 2: you know. After with COVID, everything worked from home and

1760
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 2: until Trump came in. When Trump came in, he finally said, hey,

1761
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 2: you're coming back into work. I remember people were having

1762
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 2: conniptions about that. Yeah, oh I got to go back

1763
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 2: into the office. Oh no. And it was amazing. I mean,

1764
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 2: I remember I'd been in Crystal City before and then

1765
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 2: like during the day it was busy and this, and

1766
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 2: I was there during the work day and busy. It's

1767
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,759
Speaker 2: not busy anymore. It's like nobody's here. It was almost

1768
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 2: a remember.

1769
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 1: Reading stories about, you know, employees of the federal government

1770
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 1: who worked in d C but but were able to

1771
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 1: work from home. They you know, they bought property in

1772
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 1: Utah or something, and they're doing their job in Utah.

1773
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 1: Now they got to go back into the elbe I

1774
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 1: can't travel from Utah.

1775
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 2: Or you had people having two or three full time

1776
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 2: jobs working remotely. They're working somewhere else. Full time jobs

1777
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh my gosh. And you know, now

1778
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 2: with the government shut down, with the federal government, you know,

1779
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 2: there's actually the Office of Management Budget is looking to

1780
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 2: basically furlough a lot of employees, saying you're not essential,

1781
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 2: we don't need you anymore, your positions eliminated. And some

1782
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 2: federal judge somewhere and said, no, you're not allowed to

1783
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 2: do that. Let me microman me as a federal judge,

1784
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 2: micromanage the executive branch of government. Some of these federal

1785
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 2: judges think they're just in charge of everything. Oh yeah.

1786
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 2: The worst one was up in Chicago recently. You know,

1787
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of ICE protest against in all

1788
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 2: this and conflict and people attacking ICE officers, and so

1789
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 2: of course the liberals sue the ICE and saying, oh,

1790
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 2: you've got to let us do this. You can't. And

1791
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 2: this federal judge and Abiden appointee basically said to the

1792
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:54,640
Speaker 2: director there in Chicago, not the national director, but you

1793
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,680
Speaker 2: have to wear a body camera wherever you go. Oh,

1794
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 2: you got to do this, and you got to come

1795
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 2: in and meet with me every day at four point

1796
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 2: thirty and report what's happened that day. Every day this

1797
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 2: is a federal junds reasonable. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm

1798
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,760
Speaker 2: sorry if somebody thinks, as a judge, you should be

1799
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 2: able to micromanage it that way you said, they say,

1800
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:18,640
Speaker 2: here's the standards. I expect you to do it, and

1801
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:21,679
Speaker 2: that's it, and it's self enforcing. If it's not being enforced,

1802
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,640
Speaker 2: but to come in and report every day to the

1803
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 2: Principal's office if you will. I'm sorry. And you know,

1804
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 2: people talk about having respect for the rule of Bob

1805
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 2: forgot judiciary. We got to get to break.

1806
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 1: Decisions like that undermine respect for the rule of that

1807
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: eleven six, seven hundred WLW.

1808
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 11: There's no need to be scared of the stains in

1809
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 11: your carpet when you call zeros.

1810
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 2: Seven hundred WLW.

1811
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 1: It's the Thursday night edition of The Midway Crisis. Dan Carrol,

1812
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 1: Kurt Hartman and I can't believe we're on the final

1813
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 1: segment already home stretch. So just let me let me

1814
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,040
Speaker 1: start wrapping this up by standards and if you I

1815
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 1: want to get on board five one, three seven, the

1816
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 1: big one, if you want, forget everything else that we

1817
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: talked about tonight. You mentioned the curfew in passing earlier

1818
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 1: and if if you want one reason not to vote

1819
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: for any member of city council this year, think about this.

1820
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 1: This is the curfew that was passed. What's the date

1821
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 1: on this August sixth? Okay, so this date was signed

1822
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 1: by f Ted Purvle. I was down in Florida when

1823
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 1: when this thing got passed and I and I had

1824
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 1: my you know, it popped up on my ex feet.

1825
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:35,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh wow, the city council actually did something

1826
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 1: past the curfew, and they're getting serious about this. Got

1827
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: to keep kids, you know, off of the because you

1828
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:44,560
Speaker 1: know the juveniles going crazy down there. Okay, So the

1829
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 1: curfew eighteen years of age. Then you got to be

1830
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:52,400
Speaker 1: off the streets by eleven o'clock at night. Okay, and

1831
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 1: then you read a little bit further. I've got the

1832
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:58,680
Speaker 1: ordinance right here in front of me. Okay. If and

1833
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 1: there's there's there's just a few exceptions. If you get

1834
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 1: busted by police and you're on the streets underage at night,

1835
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 1: a few they can't touch if you're accompanied by said

1836
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 1: miner's parent, guardian or other adult. Okay, So you can

1837
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: be under the age of eighteen and and the cops say, hey,

1838
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 1: you're in violation of the curfew. And then the kid

1839
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 1: can say, nope, nope, I'm in the company of Well,

1840
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 1: it's not my parent, it's not my guardian, but it's

1841
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:27,560
Speaker 1: an adult.

1842
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 2: My adult gang banger friend with me. Yeah, twenty one

1843
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 2: years old. Check his ID.

1844
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, you're good to go if you're what's

1845
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 1: an emancipated.

1846
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 2: A teenager emancipated is that they have been declared emancipated

1847
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 2: from their parents. Yeah, so they are an independent and

1848
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 2: have all Yeah.

1849
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 1: So if you're emancipated, you're not subject to the curfew

1850
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: if you're exercising your First Amendment right, which.

1851
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 2: Includes the right of association. So I can associate with

1852
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 2: my gangbanger friends and hey, I'm associated with my bus,

1853
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 2: I'm with my homeboy over here, and hey, we're all

1854
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 2: good if we're associating.

1855
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 1: If you're on your way to or from work, they

1856
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 1: can't bust you for the curfew. If you're attending a

1857
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: school or church at eleven o'clock at night, then they

1858
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 1: can't bust you for the curfew.

1859
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 2: Matthew, eleven o'clock Mass, if you're well, that's eleven am Mass,

1860
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 2: not the eleven PM Mass.

1861
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 1: But I mean, I mean, this is if you're running

1862
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 1: an errand they can't bust you for the curfew.

1863
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 2: I'm running an errand to go buy drugs. Is that account?

1864
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: If you're involved in interstate travel through or beginning or

1865
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:40,679
Speaker 1: terminating in the city, they can't bust you for the curfew.

1866
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:42,679
Speaker 1: So you can say, hey, I'm I'm on my way

1867
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 1: to Atlanta. You can't bust me for the curfew. I'm

1868
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 1: on my way to Detroit with a car full of drugs.

1869
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 2: I'm going to force seventy one to go to Kentucky. Right,

1870
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 2: I'm driving into Kentucky. That's interstate travel. This is what

1871
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 2: This is an absolute joke, and we never aways. All

1872
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 2: nine members and the mayor sign this. All nine members.

1873
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 2: This was passed unanimously. Do you think there was any

1874
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 2: debate on it, anybody asked any question? I doubt it.

1875
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:14,799
Speaker 1: But I know if I'm in city council, I'm raising

1876
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:18,760
Speaker 1: hell about this, and one let's thinking, what are we doing?

1877
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: What kind of This is not a curfew. This is

1878
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 1: not going to do anything to keep kids off the street,

1879
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 1: juveniles who are raising hell at the banks.

1880
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 2: Does it get does it get put a quiver in

1881
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 2: the police to really control. No, it doesn't. No, this

1882
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 2: is nothing.

1883
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 1: And any kid who knows how to read can read

1884
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 1: this and say, you know what, Hey, I'm exercising my

1885
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 1: first Amendment. Right, you can't touch me, and then you're

1886
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 1: you are free to go and do whatever the hell

1887
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:50,799
Speaker 1: you want. Right, So that right there is a reason

1888
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:54,600
Speaker 1: not to vote. So so you combine that with the

1889
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,759
Speaker 1: city manager saying we're gonna put you know, the curfew

1890
01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 1: one on the food trucks is you know you're not

1891
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 1: you're not packed up and getting out of there by

1892
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock. Boom, you got a big fine coming your way.

1893
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:11,599
Speaker 1: But if you're a juvenile company by an adult, you're

1894
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 1: free to stay. You driving the food truck over there,

1895
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 1: Come on, Vamus.

1896
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 2: Time to go. I'm just I'm trying to combine the two.

1897
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 2: If I working, what if I'm a juvenile working at

1898
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 2: the food truck, I mean, I don't yeah, I'm closing

1899
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:30,680
Speaker 2: it up at night. I don't know. It's just, you know,

1900
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,680
Speaker 2: it's gimmick greed that that's what we've had for the

1901
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 2: past four years from this mayor, for the past two years,

1902
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 2: from this city council. It's just gimmicks, feel good gimmicks.

1903
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 2: There you go. I mean it was made. I remember,

1904
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 2: you know, do not vote for one current member of

1905
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 2: this city. Well, well here here I still remember. This

1906
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 2: is the mayor. He was trying the part of his

1907
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 2: little Twitter campaign, you know, all the feel good stuff.

1908
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 2: He was going to do little clippets of videos from

1909
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 2: the fifty two communities. Wow, it's okay to talk about

1910
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,599
Speaker 2: Hyde part. Well, it was funny. This is that talk

1911
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 2: about unconnected to Cincinnati? Right, I talked about John Crowley,

1912
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 2: the mayor. So he started talking. There was one I saw.

1913
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 2: I still remember. It was about Oakley, Oakley, this and

1914
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 2: that and Oakley home of Agla Mesi Bros. That's what

1915
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 2: he said, you and I know it's take La Mesi Brothers.

1916
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:27,559
Speaker 2: But the script he had just had b r Os period, right,

1917
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 2: and the mayor is so disconnected from the city of

1918
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:36,879
Speaker 2: Cincinnati and its history. He just read to me, bros. Honestly,

1919
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 2: I almost laughed my head off when he said that.

1920
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:43,799
Speaker 2: And it's like he has no clue about this city.

1921
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 2: If you use the word Aggle mec bros. And not

1922
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:55,479
Speaker 2: knowing it's take La mecI Brothers. That that epitomized him.

1923
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 2: So I forget that I feared. I wish I could

1924
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 2: find that thing. I'll find it somewhere. But it was

1925
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 2: just so do you even get it? He doesn't get it.

1926
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 2: And people's city of Cincinnati. Yeah, I don't live in

1927
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 2: the city myself, but you know what, the city is

1928
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 2: the core for the area, for the Tri state area,

1929
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 2: and as the city goes, so goes.

1930
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 1: But we don't live in this city, but we want

1931
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:20,200
Speaker 1: the city to thrive. We want the city to be great,

1932
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:23,759
Speaker 1: and it benefits everybody, Sure it does. And when it doesn't,

1933
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:28,680
Speaker 1: drive to hurt everybody. Instead of finding a reason not

1934
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 1: to come into downtown Cincinnati, I don't want to find

1935
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,640
Speaker 1: a reason to come into downtown Cincinnati.

1936
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 2: You know what.

1937
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 1: It's so easy now that hey, there's a it's something

1938
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:41,879
Speaker 1: that someone there's there's an event going on in downtown Cincinnati.

1939
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 1: Got Octoberfest, he got the Reds game, Bengals game, whatever,

1940
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:49,559
Speaker 1: whatever's going on downtown. And I and I find reasons

1941
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 1: not to go. And I think there's a lot of

1942
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 1: people in the suburbs who are just like me that,

1943
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 1: you know what, it's just easier. Everything I need is

1944
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 1: out here. Anything.

1945
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 2: I grew up in the suburbs Cincinnati right in the

1946
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 2: seventies early eighties, and that was a time and I

1947
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 2: got downtown rarely, right, maybe a ball game sometimes, I know,

1948
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 2: a big deal. Yeah, And you know I used to

1949
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 2: collect stamps. I always came down to the post office,

1950
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 2: Alice little stamp place down there. I take the bus down.

1951
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,600
Speaker 2: That was about the only time I came downtown. But

1952
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 2: I remember growing up in the seventies and early eighties

1953
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 2: over the Rhine. The reputation of Over the Rhine was

1954
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 2: you don't go to Over the Run. Even during the day.

1955
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:33,599
Speaker 2: You did not go to Over the Rhine, forget at night. Right,

1956
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 2: And when I was driving, it's like, oh, what happens

1957
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 2: if I could accidentally make a wrong turn on one

1958
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:40,600
Speaker 2: of these one way one way roads in Cincinnati and

1959
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 2: end up in Over the Run. That was the reputation

1960
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 2: of over the Rhine. And I say this legitimately. It's

1961
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:50,680
Speaker 2: starting to get that reputation. Even the business district is

1962
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 2: starting to get that reputation. You don't want to come

1963
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 2: down this area anymore. It's not as bad, but it's

1964
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 2: going in that direction, and it's got to be stopped

1965
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 2: and it's got to be shot, stop and changed with

1966
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 2: good leadership that we don't have.

1967
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:05,880
Speaker 1: Well, look at what what Jeff Ruby's daughter did. Look

1968
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 1: what the restaurant owners down there did. They had they

1969
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 1: had to form their own little coalition and send a

1970
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 1: letter to the mayor to say and say, look, we're

1971
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 1: out here, we're we're living this every day. This is

1972
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 1: this is not a perception. This is reality. And this

1973
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 1: is our reality. And our reality is is that we're

1974
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 1: not going to be in business much longer. If things

1975
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 1: keep going the way they're going. You have to do something.

1976
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:31,880
Speaker 2: But what do we get from the may What do

1977
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 2: we get from the mayor? It was in August he

1978
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 2: does a little walking down the sidewalk with a police

1979
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:40,440
Speaker 2: officer right next to Remember that video. I remember that.

1980
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. It's so disconnected from reality and

1981
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 2: and and it's like, you know, he doesn't it. And

1982
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 2: again it goes back to not listening to people, not

1983
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 2: listening to people, what's happening on the street, where you know,

1984
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:57,639
Speaker 2: rubber meets the road, the boots on the ground. It's

1985
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 2: this arrogance of I am a art person, I know

1986
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 2: what's best. This is really where we need to go

1987
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 2: and as opposed to say, maybe something's not working here.

1988
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 2: And I hope the people the city of Cincinnati see that.

1989
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 2: And it's like I wanted to thrive to like you do.

1990
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 2: Like most people here, we wanted to thrive. We want

1991
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:21,719
Speaker 2: to be thrive and be safe. And it's not going

1992
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 2: in that direction.

1993
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:25,799
Speaker 1: And at least Bill cunning you know, when when Charlie

1994
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,680
Speaker 1: Lucan was married, Charlie Lucan would come on talk with

1995
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham, John Cranley would come on, and they didn't

1996
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: see eye to eye on every issue, but you know what,

1997
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 1: they would talk about what's happening with the city, what's

1998
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 1: going on, what they're going to do about things to

1999
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, have a couple of laughs by the end

2000
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 1: of the by the end of the interview, and and

2001
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 1: and it didn't it didn't necessarily mean they were getting

2002
01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:50,160
Speaker 1: on the same page with each other, but they were

2003
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 1: talking about what.

2004
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 2: Was going on.

2005
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 1: Charlie, how many times as I have to have Purval

2006
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 1: been on the on this radio station, submitted himself to

2007
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 1: all by me or Scott Sloan or Bill Cunningham or

2008
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:01,719
Speaker 1: Eddie and Rocky.

2009
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 2: But here here's the difference. Charlie Lucan as mayor. John

2010
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 2: Cranley as mayor had substantive things they were proposing and

2011
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 2: trying to move. Yes, this mayor and four years in office,

2012
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what substantive thing to truly improve the

2013
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 2: city he has offered anything proposal. We know the city

2014
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:23,280
Speaker 2: council would rubber stamp whatever you poke.

2015
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 1: Oh well, you know, I mean he's been a bunch

2016
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 1: of ribbon cutting ceremonies. He got little it's this project

2017
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:32,680
Speaker 1: over here, and you got the the convention Center is

2018
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 1: going on and he's going to try and take credit

2019
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 1: for that.

2020
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 2: Exactly River incoming feel good stuff, but nothing of substance.

2021
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:43,679
Speaker 2: For four years, we've had nothing of substance. John Cranley

2022
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 2: as mayor had substance. Charlie Lucan had substance. This guy

2023
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 2: has none of it. I mean, you know, we get

2024
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 2: national and that we made national news with him twice,

2025
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:57,680
Speaker 2: one with the recent brawl of downtown and second of

2026
01:40:57,680 --> 01:40:58,759
Speaker 2: all when he became mayor.

2027
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 7: JABBRONI mag remember that, you know it was I remember,

2028
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:09,760
Speaker 7: I remember when he was talking smack and that was

2029
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:13,679
Speaker 7: before the Bengals went to Kansas City.

2030
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly that was it, And I think it was.

2031
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 2: Travis Kelch calls him out, you know I didn't. That's

2032
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 2: keep your mouth shut, is what he said. Yeah, I

2033
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 2: mean that, that's it he talks. That's how he talks back,

2034
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 2: because again, that was a tweet, that was a little

2035
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 2: video whatever.

2036
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:39,200
Speaker 1: And and all I know is that if that beatdown

2037
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 1: would have happened when John Cranley was in office, he

2038
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 1: would have been front and center. He would have been

2039
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 1: front and center at every news conference, every every meeting.

2040
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:52,839
Speaker 2: Not turning a news conference over over into race baterers

2041
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 2: saying we we only see black people. We want white

2042
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 2: people indicted in charge, John Cranley. John Cranley would have

2043
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:03,600
Speaker 2: worked with the governor to accept substantive help from the

2044
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 2: state of Ohio to put to stop this crap that's

2045
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:09,920
Speaker 2: going on, as opposed to brushing off the governor.

2046
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 1: How disappointing was that when when these city council members

2047
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:18,360
Speaker 1: got behind this, Hey we need to see someone, someone white,

2048
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:20,720
Speaker 1: get some charges on that.

2049
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that.

2050
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:27,000
Speaker 1: I almost forgot about that until you just brought that up.

2051
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,920
Speaker 1: What a what an absolute low light that was. Yeah,

2052
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 1: it was pandering.

2053
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 2: It's not leadership, it is pandering. You know the governor

2054
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:41,599
Speaker 2: was willing to give significant support to get a control

2055
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:45,959
Speaker 2: of the situation, and heaven forbid, the mayor says, no.

2056
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 1: We'll take a few os P two days a month,

2057
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:51,600
Speaker 1: and now they've got it up to four days a

2058
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 1: month for traffic cars?

2059
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,320
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? But you know part of the part.

2060
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 2: I don't think the bad guys know that. You know,

2061
01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:59,560
Speaker 2: and you know, and you know what what do the

2062
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 2: rank and file up police officers thing? Those who are

2063
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:03,080
Speaker 2: walking the beat?

2064
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:05,439
Speaker 1: The ones I talked to said they'd be happy to

2065
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:09,320
Speaker 1: have force my force multultiplier exactly.

2066
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:12,560
Speaker 2: But think about the recruitment classes too, you know, I

2067
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:15,479
Speaker 2: think they're trying to diminish the size of the police

2068
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 2: department by or like getting more people to retire and

2069
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:23,360
Speaker 2: not feeding enough into the system. You know, I would

2070
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 2: love to talk to some of the recruits. People who

2071
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 2: signed up. Why why did you were you hesitant? What

2072
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 2: made what made you decide? People who thought about it

2073
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 2: and said no, I'm not signing up with the City

2074
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati. How many people have we lost? Your good

2075
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:39,080
Speaker 2: you know, men and women who would be fine police

2076
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 2: officers saying I don't want to go there. I'll look

2077
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:45,240
Speaker 2: at jobs elsewhere. No, Yeah, they might want to be

2078
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:47,759
Speaker 2: a law enforcement officer, but not with the city of Cincinnati.

2079
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 1: The people who are in the police academy these days

2080
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 1: are are the ones who are pretty hardcore, the ones

2081
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:58,000
Speaker 1: who really feel that that internal calling. I really want

2082
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 1: to be part of a police force that is going

2083
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 1: to do good for the people that they're going to.

2084
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 2: I would guess I don't have a basis. So people

2085
01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 2: who really love the city, Yeah, but the numbers aren't there.

2086
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 2: I don't think that I would be curious how the

2087
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:19,400
Speaker 2: numbers keep diminishing and I don't have the pres There's

2088
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:21,599
Speaker 2: not enough incentive there for someone who might be on

2089
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:23,360
Speaker 2: the fence and say, you know what, let me go,

2090
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:25,880
Speaker 2: let me check this out and see if this is

2091
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:26,600
Speaker 2: going to work for me.

2092
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:28,360
Speaker 1: If they're on the fence, they're they're not going to

2093
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 1: make that step to go and then spend a couple

2094
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:32,640
Speaker 1: of weeks in the accounty and say, you know what,

2095
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:36,000
Speaker 1: this is the right thing for me, because they're making

2096
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:38,719
Speaker 1: that decision before they even check it out.

2097
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:40,880
Speaker 2: And part of it is, you know, the cops who

2098
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:43,120
Speaker 2: are there now and those who are looking to get it.

2099
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:45,400
Speaker 2: You also want to know that the political leadership has

2100
01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 2: your back, and I don't think that this administration and

2101
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:51,960
Speaker 2: with the attitude towards law enforcement that.

2102
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:54,479
Speaker 1: Well, at that point is exactly a point I talked

2103
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:57,439
Speaker 1: to Ken Kobra about when this whole thing with the

2104
01:44:57,439 --> 01:45:00,479
Speaker 1: police chief started breaking and I and I said, we've

2105
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:03,200
Speaker 1: we've heard the city manager say it, We've heard the

2106
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:07,000
Speaker 1: mayor say it that they have the back of our

2107
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:10,960
Speaker 1: police department. But in reality, they know that.

2108
01:45:10,920 --> 01:45:13,960
Speaker 2: It's not They know it's not there. You know, it's

2109
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 2: lack of leadership. I mean, what they do is they

2110
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:21,360
Speaker 2: let Iris Rollie run roughshod over the police and then

2111
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:23,720
Speaker 2: pay her how much, you know, enter into be you know,

2112
01:45:23,880 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of dollars so that she gets she

2113
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:26,880
Speaker 2: gives money to her.

2114
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:29,519
Speaker 1: But we can spend a whole show talking about the

2115
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 1: way that the chimney she's carved out a nice kig

2116
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:34,800
Speaker 1: for herself. You know, you want, they're gonna pay her

2117
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 1: four hundred grand over three or four years, and she

2118
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 1: can spend money however she wants and hire whoever she

2119
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:41,639
Speaker 1: wants and.

2120
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,559
Speaker 2: Go about harassing the police as they try to do

2121
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 2: their job for the community.

2122
01:45:45,479 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 1: All Right, we got a five seconds left, Kurt, we

2123
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:49,639
Speaker 1: got to go. Thanks for hanging out. Election on Tuesday.

2124
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:51,479
Speaker 1: Get out there and vote it out and vote. Very

2125
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 1: important and hopefully a week from now we're talking about

2126
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 1: a new mayor for the city of Cincinnati. But thanks

2127
01:45:57,520 --> 01:45:59,600
Speaker 1: for being here. We got to run. We'll see you

2128
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 1: next time on the hull of the reds vote, Get

2129
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:05,560
Speaker 1: out and vote on Tuesday on seven hundred WLW.

2130
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 2: It's Addie.

2131
01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:08,280
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2132
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2133
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2135
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