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Speaker 2: And uh we'll do that with the guests this afternoon

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Speaker 2: as well. Joe Daniman from Fox nineteen, we'll join us

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Speaker 2: at one o'clock. We've got a ton of Bengals news

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Speaker 2: that happened yesterday, from players being released, to players going

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Speaker 2: under the knife, to players going back into concussion protocol.

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Speaker 2: Games are being flexed, and yes, after a day to

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Speaker 2: harp on a loss, today we'll explain to you what

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Speaker 2: the pass forward looks like for an eight and nine

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Speaker 2: home playoff game for the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Wait, ye, this wasn't discussed before the show? Yep? Are

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Speaker 3: you back on?

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm just in a b I'm in a

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Speaker 2: worse place today because of what just happened a few

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Speaker 2: second time, and I would say there, it is second

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Speaker 2: time in three days, Austin, and I've bought back in.

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Speaker 2: So what I did when that fourth quarter started in

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Speaker 2: the Bengals Bills game and the Bengals took that twenty

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Speaker 2: eight to eighteen lead with just under eight minutes left,

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Speaker 2: you know what I did? I bought back in. I said,

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Speaker 2: It was the first time, outside of just talking about

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Speaker 2: playoff game. This feels like a heavyweight battle. This is

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Speaker 2: yes at the Bengals, and had execution down the stretch

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Speaker 2: yesterday and came in today and ready to take the

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Speaker 2: next step, pick up the pieces. And then this Kyle

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Speaker 2: Schwarber stuff continued to happen, and people continued to talk,

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Speaker 2: and not just random people, that's all with the Philadelphia

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Speaker 2: Choir talked about Kyle Schwarber coming to the Reds on

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Speaker 2: Nick cross comments, Barry Larkin's comments. Brad Doolittle on ESPN

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Speaker 2: dot com projected Kyle Schwarber to come to the Cincinnati Reds.

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Speaker 2: Our good friend Jeff Carr. I saw a post from

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Speaker 2: him earlier this morning, Maneff doing where Jeff was like, Man,

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Speaker 2: this feels different. It feels like it can happen. It

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Speaker 2: feels like Kyle Schwarber to the Cincinnati Reds. And you

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Speaker 2: know what I did again this morning, Austin, I allowed

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Speaker 2: myself to believe, and I should know better at my age,

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Speaker 2: how long I've been a Cincinnati sports fan, that these

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Speaker 2: things tend to just not happen. These things tend to

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Speaker 2: I went to pay a bet and a debt to

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Speaker 3: Of course, Yeah, I've bet.

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Speaker 2: I think the last four times i've bet Willie, I've

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Speaker 2: And then I got back fifteen minutes later and you said,

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Speaker 2: no way, Kyle Schwarber's here. Kyle Schwarber signed with the Reds.

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Speaker 2: And then you proceeded to tell me that the National

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Speaker 3: I made sure to make it the last thing I

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Speaker 2: Here's the naive nature that I live in, at least

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Speaker 2: Last week Austin was ever really thinking about going anywhere

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Speaker 2: Probably got some extra money. And Kyle Schwarber again, when

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Speaker 2: And in doing so, Kyle Schwarber probably got that fifth

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Speaker 2: again because I believed, now again many would say, will

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Speaker 3: I don't think anyone expects them to pivot in that way.

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Speaker 3: Is I think the point that we're trying to make

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Speaker 2: I mean, you had fifty six home runs he did

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Speaker 2: hit two forty, yeah, and that would have been great

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Speaker 3: Now. I would love it if they had Alex Bregman,

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Speaker 3: to our original plan. Now, I'm not saying that's the

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Speaker 3: can be a serious return on investment here that can

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Speaker 3: Our ownership group operates so that they can break even

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Speaker 2: Winter Meetings. Also happening more in Major League Baseball, Edwin Diaz,

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Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Dodgers. The rich continue to get richer.

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Speaker 2: How about the Tigers coming out and saying, Hey, there

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Speaker 2: are no untouchables on our team. You want to come

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Speaker 2: get tariq'skuball, come get them.

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Speaker 3: Would you rather be a Reds fan or a Tigers fan? Today?

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Speaker 3: You get the rug pulled out from underneath you about

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Speaker 3: Kyle Schwarber or your owner says, we know we're never

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Speaker 3: going to be able to sign school ball, so everybody's

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Speaker 2: Probably on this day. The Reds, I don't know, Tigers

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Speaker 2: we'll do We'll revisit the conversation we had during the

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Speaker 2: bye week about NFL contenders and pretenders. We'll also, after

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Speaker 2: out on today's show as well. The Heisman finalist have

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Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza, Diego Pavia, Jeremiah Love, and Julian saying, those

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Speaker 2: Yes, forty four year old Philip Rivers is working out

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing. I'm good if man Rivers has

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Speaker 3: Let's say they sign him. The game plan's got to

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Speaker 2: Do you want it to happen?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yes. That gives me five years left.

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Speaker 2: I can exhaust all options. Absolutely. If I turn on

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Speaker 3: If I turn on a TV Philip Rivers Pro Football

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Speaker 2: I see Philip Rivers at four on Sunday warming up

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Speaker 3: I'm locked in for what? Yes? What a storyline that is?

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Speaker 2: They know why Phillip's working out five days a week

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Speaker 3: Do you think they called Brady? Oh had to have

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Speaker 2: That's what I want to know. I want to know

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean good for the colts Man, good for

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Speaker 2: And he was like, he was like fun and people

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Speaker 2: like were you drunk here?

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Speaker 2: Couldn't imagine trying to play that position drunk, Oh my gosh, no,

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Speaker 2: Ooh man, what a fun first segment today that started

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Speaker 3: of it. No, Kyle Schwarber is a Philadelphia Philly. There's that.

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Speaker 2: The Tuesday Afternoon edition a little bit long in segment one,

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Speaker 2: So we'll be quick here, get back on the clock

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Speaker 2: and we'll dive into everything that happened with the Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: the phone line here for a phone call.

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Speaker 3: Mark is calling in. What's up? Mark?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't get to call in yesterday.

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Speaker 4: The game Sunday, Uh, I saw two dumb decisions.

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Speaker 6: They had the lead and then he had Joe Flacco

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Speaker 6: Tried to throw it, So you know, the great quarterbacks

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Speaker 6: would have just probably ate that ball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, you either you either have to just

435
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Speaker 2: take it and give yourself up and fall down and

436
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Speaker 2: take a two yard loss, or you got to throw

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Speaker 2: the ball at at the defender's ankles. You know, one

438
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Speaker 2: of the two, you just gotta you gotta chalk it up.

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Speaker 2: And I guarantee Burrow, if he had the chance again

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Speaker 2: one hundred times, he would do that.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's one of.

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Speaker 2: Those plays you kind of knew the whole way it

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Speaker 2: was going to end poorly. But yeah, I'm in agreement.

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Speaker 2: So myj p rynd ran well five point two of

445
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Speaker 2: carrying just six carries, they only carried the ball nineteen times,

446
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Speaker 2: which was a little surprising because they were leading pretty

447
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Speaker 2: much the whole game. I thought maybe they would run

448
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Speaker 2: the ball a little more, but it was hard because

449
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Speaker 2: Burrow for three and a half quarters played so well

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Speaker 2: that you really didn't mind him dropping back and throwing.

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Speaker 2: But hindsight being what it is, Yeah, you could have

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Speaker 2: handed the ball off a couple more times.

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Speaker 4: I mean, when is this coach going to realize that.

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Speaker 6: You can't close the game out running the ball? I mean,

455
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Speaker 6: he refuses to do that, and he keeps coming back

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Speaker 6: to bite him.

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Speaker 4: I just don't.

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Speaker 6: I just don't think he's ever going.

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Speaker 4: To learn that you need to run the ball to close.

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Speaker 6: The game out and he can still try to throw

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Speaker 6: it no matter who the.

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Speaker 4: Quarterback he is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So that's the thing that frustrated me about it.

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Speaker 4: Uh And as far as Chaps, I'm outside. As far

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Speaker 4: as Kyle.

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Speaker 6: Schwolzer, did you really think the Reds were really getting

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Speaker 6: the home did you?

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Speaker 4: Hear?

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Speaker 2: I mean that's the problem. I let myself believe that

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Speaker 2: they were for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I never thought that was a possibility.

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Speaker 6: Todd, Okay, they cut Jermaine Burton yesterday, another wasted draft, hick.

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Speaker 6: So are we gonna Are we gonna stop drafting players

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Speaker 6: with character issues? That you got to take a chance off.

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Speaker 4: Are we gonna stop doing that now?

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Speaker 3: You would?

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Speaker 2: You would think, Mark, I appreciate the phone call man,

478
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Speaker 2: Thank you. We're gonna dive into the Jermaine Burton thing

479
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Speaker 2: when we got back. When we get back, it rings

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Speaker 2: to me the comments that Nick Saban made during the

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Speaker 2: draft when Jermaine Burton was drafted and the warning that

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Speaker 2: he gave and and that warning that pretty much came

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Speaker 2: to fruition when it comes to Jermaine Burton. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: about that and of all things Bengals. When we returned

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Speaker 2: what was a very busy Monday. Right here on ESPN

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Speaker 7: On the valve. Here's the one to oh bitch Warber swings.

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Speaker 3: The hammers is high in the air.

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Speaker 7: It is deep down the right field line of it's fair,

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Speaker 7: it's gone, and it is a fair ball.

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Speaker 3: Just inside the right field valvepowl.

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Speaker 7: That is a two run home run for Schwarber, his

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Speaker 7: forty second home run of the year, and that makes

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Speaker 7: it a four to one Phillies lead.

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Speaker 2: That's just mean, and it is mean because it has

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Speaker 2: to go as our win Schulers call the day. And

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Speaker 2: win Schulers does not mean. Win Schulers is everything you want.

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Speaker 2: And Christmas bottled up in the holiday season into one

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Speaker 2: four delicious cheese spreads.

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Speaker 3: Did we even offer Schwarber some wind Shulers. Why not?

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Speaker 2: They didn't meet the financial demands and they didn't offer

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Speaker 2: win Schulers to me the taste of the holidays. Don't

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Speaker 2: let your holiday party go without win Schulders. It pairs

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Speaker 2: well with anything any of their four flavors. Thanks to

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Speaker 2: Win Schulers if you missed it earlier. Kyle Schwarber has

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Speaker 2: signed a five year, one hundred and fifty million dollar

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Speaker 2: deal to go back.

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Speaker 3: To the Philadelphia. But the Reds are not sitting on

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Speaker 3: their hands to the Reds have made to sign it.

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Speaker 3: Here we go. Cincinnati has signed left hander Joel Valdez.

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Speaker 3: Maybe Joel Valdez to a minor league contract. Dez was

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Speaker 3: selected by the Reds in last year's minor league phase

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Speaker 3: of the Rule five draft. He posted a two point

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Speaker 3: three four ERA over fifty seven at a third innings

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Speaker 3: between Double A Chattanooga and TRIPAA Louisville last season. The

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Speaker 3: battle four the bullpen lefty rages on and Joel Valdez

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Speaker 3: enters the conversation. Take that teams playing chess financial flexibility.

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Speaker 3: Now that Schwarber is out.

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Speaker 2: Of the Phillies are playing checkers. Reds are like, watch this,

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Speaker 2: watch this move. Speaking of moves, plethra of moves happened

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Speaker 2: yesterday as it relates to the Cincinnati Bengals. Let's go

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Speaker 2: through these, Austin, I think, in the least surprising of

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Speaker 2: any of the news yesterday, the Dolphins Bengals game has

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Speaker 2: been flexed from Sunday night football to a one pm start. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: probably the least surprising of any of these.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was frustrating. I think there's a chance that

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Speaker 3: that game stays on Sunday night if the Bengals had

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Speaker 3: been in the Buffalo bill. Yes, because of what the

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Speaker 3: Dolphins are doing. Because of what the Dolphins are doing,

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Speaker 3: playing much better football right now. But because you know

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Speaker 3: the the ramifications that you know, I think, most notably,

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Speaker 3: this week's game between the Bills and the Patriots could

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Speaker 3: have on the AFC playoffs. And if the Patriots win

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Speaker 3: the AFC or win the game over the Bills, they

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Speaker 3: win the AFC East. But if Buffalo wins, then both

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Speaker 3: those teams Baltimore and New England are fighting for their division,

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Speaker 3: so they they turn it over to the Patriots and

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Speaker 3: the Ravens. Yeah, other news o'clock in Miami, though after

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Speaker 3: being here, might take a little bit to get used

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Speaker 3: to the former third round draft pick from Alabama, a

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Speaker 3: draft pick in which Nick Saban on Draft Nights sat

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Speaker 3: at the podium and talked about some off the field

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Speaker 3: and character issues. That is Jermaine Burton. I have the

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Speaker 3: audio if you want to here. This is Nick Saban

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Speaker 3: immediately after the Bengals drafted his former wide receiver Jamaine Burton.

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Speaker 8: For you last year, is a tremendous competitive He's got

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Speaker 8: great quickness, He's got really good speed. He can come

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Speaker 8: in and out of a break, he can beat man

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Speaker 8: to man.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I really really like this guy.

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Speaker 8: The number one thing that he needs to do and

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Speaker 8: I think emotional maturity is the best way to say

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Speaker 8: it is, do the right things all the time.

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Speaker 4: He does the right things on the field.

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Speaker 8: He knows the importance of what he has to do

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Speaker 8: on the field. He wants to be a player, that's

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Speaker 8: all he thinks about yet. But you got to do

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Speaker 8: the right things in your life all the time so

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Speaker 8: that you can do the best things that you can

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Speaker 8: do on the field and be the best.

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Speaker 3: You can be.

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Speaker 2: I think that was a very nice way of saying

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Speaker 2: that he has some issues. Yep, those issues were never

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Speaker 2: able to be worked out for the Cincinnati Bengals. As

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Speaker 2: Mo put it yesterday, four catches on fourteen career targets

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Speaker 2: for Jermaine Burton. Jermaine Burton, despite Jamar Chase being suspended

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Speaker 2: for a game this year, despite T Higgins missing due

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Speaker 2: to injury, Jermaine Burton never even was active this year

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Speaker 2: for the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe you just said he had fourteen targets. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that seems like a lot. Yeah, I never would have

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Speaker 3: thought that.

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Speaker 2: Four catches, fourteen targets for the career for Jermaine Burton,

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Speaker 2: which in Cincinnati now comes to an end. As Zach

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Speaker 2: Taylor said yesterday the Bengals have officially released Jermaine Burton.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Wish it wouldn't have taken so long. What the hell

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Speaker 3: took so long? Was my initial thought. I talked about

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Speaker 3: it a little bit yesterday. I'm sure there was somebody

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Speaker 3: in the organization that was willing to be a little

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Speaker 3: bit more patient, but I feel like they had maybe

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Speaker 3: told him it's the last straw. You know, whatever happens next,

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Speaker 3: you get no more strikes. And it sounds like something

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Speaker 3: else happened between this week and then going to Buffalo

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Speaker 3: where he ended up getting suspended, and we don't know

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Speaker 3: what it is. Nobody's been able to say exactly what

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Speaker 3: it is, but clearly it was too much in the

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Speaker 3: Bengals are like, we're done with this.

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Speaker 2: Shortly after that was announced, it was announced that Trey

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Speaker 2: Hendrickson was going to be seeking a second opinion for

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Speaker 2: his injuries, the injuries that have now kind of just.

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Speaker 3: Carried on.

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Speaker 2: The injuries were not as significant when they first happened

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Speaker 2: to put him on the injured list, yet they've drug on.

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Speaker 2: It's been very weird. We've talked about this openly Austin

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Speaker 2: with Trey Hendrickson and the unique nature around every Monday

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Speaker 2: press conference Zach Taylor pretty much shutting the door on

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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson. Well, the door is now shut on Trey

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Speaker 2: Hendrickson for the remainder of the year, as he, after

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Speaker 2: getting that second opinion, is going to undergo a surgery

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Speaker 2: that will likely end his season. The question I have

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Speaker 2: does it end the time in Cincinnati officially for Trey Hendrickson?

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Speaker 3: I would guess yes. We'll have to get into over

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Speaker 3: the course of the offseason all the different options and

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Speaker 3: paths for the Bengals to take to fix their defense

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Speaker 3: and what ultimately is the best decision for the franchise.

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Speaker 3: One of those options would be to tag Trey Hendrickson

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Speaker 3: for a relatively affordable price for an edge rusher if

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Speaker 3: they need that position. Still. I don't even know if

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Speaker 3: it's that as much as if you can get a

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Speaker 3: guy on that type of money that increases his trade

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Speaker 3: value tenfold. And so are you willing to go back

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Speaker 3: to anybody who had had those conversations with you previously

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Speaker 3: and said, Okay, well, now he's healthy and he's cheap,

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Speaker 3: Now will you give us a third round pick for him?

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Speaker 3: And maybe you're able to get something like that, and

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Speaker 3: the Bengals will find a way to take another loser

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Speaker 3: in the third round. So I don't know. I would

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Speaker 3: assume it's over. I wouldn't be surprised if there is

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Speaker 3: some sort of franchise tag placed on him. But I

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Speaker 3: think we've reached the point where it's best for both

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Speaker 3: sides to just move on.

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Speaker 2: Also, like I don't want another offseason distraction. You also,

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Speaker 2: if you're the Bengals, need to figure out Shamar Stewart.

630
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Speaker 2: You have a decision to make on Joseph Osai, who's

631
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: played much better down the stretch. A lot of things

632
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Speaker 2: are going to go into that decision around Trey Hendrickson,

633
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Speaker 2: but his season comes to a close, and then I

634
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Speaker 2: think the most pressing concern right now for the Cincinnati

635
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 2: Bengals revolves around t Higgins. T Higgins hit his head

636
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Speaker 2: on the turf multiple times against the Buffalo Bills, but

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Speaker 2: each time he cleared concussion test and got in the

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00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: game and finished out the game. He obviously had the

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00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: one handed catch at the end of the game. However,

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Speaker 2: Ben Baby reported that Higgins reported concussion like symptoms after

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Speaker 2: the game and is now back in concussion protocol, so

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Speaker 2: he was in the team's injury tent twice, cleared both checks,

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00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: he returned to the game. There's no concrete answer on

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Speaker 2: now his status against the Baltimore Ravens. Zach Taylor didn't

645
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Speaker 2: really provide up date. He's back in protocol, going to

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Speaker 2: go through it this week. I have a hard time

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Speaker 2: believing with his second concussion since week twelve that he

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Speaker 2: would play. But there's nothing concrete about that. But a

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Speaker 2: little bit concerning you saw the hits. You saw his

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Speaker 2: head hitting on the turf. Concussions have been an issue

651
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: for t Higgins and they now are an issue as

652
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: those symptoms carried on after the game as well.

653
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Speaker 3: He had that hit and he came back in the game,

654
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: and I was really surprised just way off the way

655
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 3: that he reacted to the first hit, and then I wondered, okay, well,

656
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: maybe he just kind of scared himself, like, oh crap,

657
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 3: I just hit my head again, And I think that's

658
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: what happened on the second one. So had a couple

659
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: of drops, went into the tent, came back, and then

660
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 3: initiated himself a second review to make sure he was okay,

661
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: and he passed again, So that in and of itself

662
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 3: would tell me if I'm T Higgins, I'm not all

663
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: the way there mentally to if I'm worried about Okay,

664
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Speaker 3: hold on, I need to get checked out again. Yeah,

665
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 3: then probably sets there, Yeah exactly. And then after the

666
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: game went to the Bengals trainers and said, hey, I'm

667
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: I'm still feeling this way. I think it's also important

668
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: to note that those tests are not done by the

669
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Speaker 3: Bengals trainers. Those are independent league people who put him

670
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: back into the game, or not put him back in

671
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: the game, but clear him to be able to go

672
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: back in the game. So, I mean, there was a

673
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 3: joint statement between the NFL and NFLPA that said everything

674
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: went as it's supposed to go, and he just felt,

675
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: you know, like he still had those symptoms after the game.

676
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 3: So I would be surprised if we see T Higgins

677
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 3: on Sunday against paulk You and me both to go

678
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: back to the Trey Henderson thing for a minute, do

679
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 3: you think it's a little weird that, now that the

680
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 3: Bengals are all but eliminated, that Trey decides I'm going

681
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: to have surgery. This whole thing from the start has

682
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 3: been weird to me. That was the first thing I thought.

683
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, now you're going to have surgery, and.

684
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: Now you go get the second opinion, or at some

685
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: point that the Bengals say, hey, look, we done all

686
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 2: we can do. You know, what do you want us

687
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: to do from this? Yeah? We have plenty more on

688
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals. We've got an AFC North path. I

689
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: guess we'll do that. What would be the fall out

690
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: if the bengals did miss the playoffs? Joe Burrow's need

691
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: for perfection? We got contenders and pretenders. We've got quarterback tiers,

692
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: We've got college hoops to discuss. Joe Daniman will join

693
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Speaker 2: us at one o'clock. We'll finish up our number one

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Speaker 2: with a few more of your phone calls. Next on

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Speaker 2: the Home of the Bengals. It's ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

696
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: Sports Station. Welcome back since the three sixty ESPN fifteen

697
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Let's grab a couple of phone

698
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: calls before we get to Joe Daniman to round out

699
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: our number one.

700
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: Mark has given us a call. What's that?

701
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 5: Mark?

702
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 9: Yes, Yes, I want to make a comment about Sharber College.

703
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 9: If you remember last year, and I can't think of

704
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 9: his name, the left handed pitcher that went from White

705
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 9: Sox to the Red Sox who was almost the best

706
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 9: pitcher in the American League. Las Yes, Crochet, Crochet. Sorry,

707
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 9: I couldn't think of his name. Every time his name

708
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 9: was mentioned last year and they named the teams that

709
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 9: were interested in him, the Reds were always one of them.

710
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 9: The Reds were never getting him. The Reds were never

711
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 9: getting Kyle Schwarber. The Reds are never going to get

712
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 9: a big name player ever, ever, ever. As a diehard

713
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 9: Reds fans for I don't know how many years, seventy years,

714
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 9: at least seventy, They're never going to go anywhere with

715
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 9: this ownership. I mean, this is the reason this team stinks.

716
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 9: Making the playoffs last year was the worst thing could

717
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 9: have happened. They think they had a good season, they

718
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 9: think they have a good team.

719
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 4: They do not.

720
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 9: They have so many bad players on the steam and

721
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 9: they need so much improvement on each position, almost every position.

722
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 9: Every position has to be better. Go ahead, you want to.

723
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 3: Say you're good, You're good.

724
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 9: No, I mean it's just a terrible team. Austin are

725
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 9: you there, Austin.

726
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: Right now, I'm here. I'm here.

727
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 9: Mark, Yes, do you remember me calling in last summer

728
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 9: on Sunday's wanting to trade of the pitcher? What's his name? Yes, Homer, Yeah, yeah,

729
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 9: Hunter Hunter Green. See when you get old, you can't

730
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 9: remember names. Anyway, every every Sunday I would call in

731
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 9: and have a different trade with Hunter Green. Are they

732
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 9: seriously looking to trade him? Or is this just talk too?

733
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: I think that's all tall.

734
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 9: Yeah.

735
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: I think they might listen, but I don't think they

736
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: would seriously consider trading him.

737
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 9: Well, they need to because they need a hitter so bad.

738
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 9: All right, I'm gonna get off of here, Gonna close

739
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 9: with this comment that I've been wanting to make all seasons.

740
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 9: Oh boy, your boy, Joe, sure look good Sunday. Yes,

741
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 9: favorite game of the year are winning. They're not winning

742
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 9: the super Bowl this year, and they're not winning the

743
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 9: next year or the year after. Now, kick me off

744
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 9: the air, Mark.

745
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 3: Now, we have a lot of Marks that call in

746
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 3: and uh. I would have a conversation almost identical to

747
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: that with Mark and Louisville every Sunday afternoon, following usually

748
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: a Red's loss on the Extra Inning Show. Down the

749
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 3: hall on WLW. He is really just a breath of

750
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 3: fresh air, is Mark and Louisville. Yes, and he hates

751
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: the Bengals, which is funny. Fair fair, Let's go back

752
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: up to line.

753
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 5: What's up Mike, Hey, guys, enjoying the show today?

754
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 4: Thank you.

755
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 5: I just want to let you guys know, with Christmas

756
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 5: coming up, I'm going to a tough time right now,

757
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 5: and you're guys show and love show every day really

758
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 5: helps me get through the days. And I don't tell

759
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 5: you guys that I appreciate as much as I should

760
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 5: on how much I appreciate your show.

761
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: We thank you, Mike. We appreciate you. Yeah, we do

762
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: appreciate you, man, Thank you.

763
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 5: We're breaking news. The Bengals Dolphins game has been flexed

764
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 5: to four a m. So people can watch.

765
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 4: The game and go to church.

766
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: I like it.

767
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 4: I like it.

768
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 5: Game going on. Herbert Herbert guts that game out last

769
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 5: night because I I think a lot of guys might

770
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 5: not have played. They probably could have got out of plane.

771
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 5: Uh if if they had wanted to. I would think,

772
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 5: what was that thing on his arm, Tony.

773
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: That little box, some type some type of just protective

774
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 2: cast that gives him enough flexibility that he can move

775
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 2: his fingers like he needs with his grip, but also

776
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 2: at the same time protect that that I would imagine

777
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: will open wound as much as possible.

778
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you could tell at the end of the

779
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 5: game they were showing the back of his arm and

780
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 5: there was quite a bit of boy you were right

781
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 5: about how about yes, sorb we honeying. Really, I know

782
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 5: you guys are having fun with it, but we knew

783
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 5: Shorber wouldn't come in here.

784
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

785
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: I wonder how much there was ever any interest in

786
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: how much it was just Kyle Schwarbur and his agency saying, Okay,

787
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: if we if we position this the correct way, we

788
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: could probably get more money.

789
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

790
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 5: I think you're exactly right on that. Yeah, why not?

791
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 5: Why not because there's no way. Yeah, that's just the

792
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 5: way to do it. You just put some extra pressure

793
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 5: on the other teams and Bingo, especially the team he's

794
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 5: already listening. I must like it, and Tilly he must

795
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 5: like it in Philadelphia well enough. Plus he knows he's

796
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 5: on a team that has a chance to get a ring.

797
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: So, like I said, if he likes it in Cincinnati

798
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: that much, when his five year deals up, he can

799
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: move back here and retire.

800
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, or or they could maybe get him when he

801
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 5: files for early Social Security at sixty two and picking

802
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 5: him up for less than what you guys.

803
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers is working out at forty four, swar will

804
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: still be in his prime.

805
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. But by the way, it just it was just

806
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: made official. Philip Rivers is signing We Go Baby.

807
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 5: That is unbelievable. That's the last team he played for,

808
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 5: wasn't it. Yeah, you're not joking of.

809
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 4: No, I'm not.

810
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 3: That's being reported by Adam Schefter and others.

811
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 2: Right, I guess I don't have to go to Indy today,

812
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: then I guess that's off the table.

813
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, yeah, Well he's got like fifteen kids, you

814
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 5: know he needs the money. Oh my god, he does

815
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 5: have like nine or.

816
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 3: Ten kids, right, he does, he does.

817
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 5: It's unbelievable. Hey, I got a scheming question for you.

818
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 5: So when a team gets in the red zone, it

819
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 5: does is it impossible for defense to play zone or

820
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 5: is it impossible for a defense to play zone in

821
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 5: the lower red zone from ten yards in it.

822
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 2: You'll actually see more teams play zone in the reds

823
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: unless you get to the low red zone, then a

824
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: lot of teams are going to go man. But the

825
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: red zone, with the field being shrunk, if you're able

826
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: to drop seven or even drop eight, there's just a

827
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: lot of zones you can eat up. Because the field

828
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: is shrunk, you don't have to worry about the deep

829
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: shot anymore. You can shrink that down. More teams in

830
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: the red zone will go zone. But once you get

831
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 2: to the lower red zone, then you see a lot

832
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: of man demand where they're going to bring more pressure.

833
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 5: So in the lower red zone you're just not enough room.

834
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, okay, But.

835
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 5: As a quarterback, then would you rather face the zone?

836
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: Well, I guess man, But yeah, zone, you're gonna get

837
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: more time, Mike, I.

838
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: Appreciate you, man, Yeah, thank you.

839
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 5: Guys.

840
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 2: Yes, I have a good one. We will get to

841
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: the rest of our phone calls. We've got all time

842
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: in the world an hour number three, So in between

843
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: two and three, we'll take more of your phone calls

844
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: for now. Joe Daniman stands by to join us next

845
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: on the Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

846
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847
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