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Speaker 1: From the fish filled Midwest lakes to the deep woods

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Speaker 1: of the North Upland prairies filled with pheasants, to the

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Speaker 1: whistling wings of duck ponds. This is Saturday Morning Fan Outdoors,

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Speaker 1: your show for hunting and fishing tips, topics and conversations.

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Speaker 1: You can also send us a question or opinion by

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Speaker 1: emailing us booth at kfean dot com. Here's your host,

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Speaker 1: the Fans, Captain Billy hildegraand.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Fan Outdoors, faithful m.

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Speaker 3: I can't hear by there we are.

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Speaker 2: I just couldn't hear myself, and I've gotta hear myself,

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Speaker 2: you know that.

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Speaker 3: Oh heaven.

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Speaker 2: It's good morning everybody, and I hope everything well, everything

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Speaker 2: is going well with you. And it's very wet outside,

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Speaker 2: and welcome into the conversation my co host and good friend,

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Speaker 2: mister Bob Saint Pierre, Raining where you came from.

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Speaker 4: It is raining, yes, but thankfully it's thirty five degrees

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Speaker 4: so it's just rain. Oh yeah, no ice, at least

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Speaker 4: in the commute between White Bear Lake in Saint Louis Park.

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Speaker 2: The same as pretty clear my home abode. It was

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Speaker 2: just your home abode. I opened as I am wont

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Speaker 2: to do on a Saturday morning, at least temporarily.

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Speaker 3: I opened the garage.

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Speaker 2: Door, poke my head outside, and the weather forecast is.

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Speaker 3: Rain, light rain, but rain, rain and clouds.

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Speaker 4: When I looked last night when I went to bed,

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Speaker 4: it was supposed to who have changed over from rain

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Speaker 4: to freezing rain to snow at four am? And I'm

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Speaker 4: thankful that that did not happen because in me too,

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Speaker 4: that's one time I'm glad they're wrong. That can make

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Speaker 4: for a rough commute.

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Speaker 2: Oh can you imagine slip sliding all the way here?

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Speaker 2: We have done it. We've done it before. It's ice

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Speaker 2: is awful. Ice is just awful to drive on.

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Speaker 4: Remember you and I drove to South Dakota on icy

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Speaker 4: roads the weekend at the dome collapse, I remember, And

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Speaker 4: we had snowed in in Hitchcock, South and South Dakota, yep.

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Speaker 4: And the day before it started really snowing. We had

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Speaker 4: a fabulous hunt. So that's what I left my truck around.

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Speaker 4: Is that is the same trip. That was a very

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Speaker 4: eventful trip. But we made it there. It was touching

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Speaker 3: We made it there. We had a terrific hunt.

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Speaker 2: Your truck was warmed up when we got back in

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Speaker 2: Rocky Mountain. Oysters were on the on the menu that

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Speaker 4: And then the next morning we woke up to an

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Speaker 3: Yes we did.

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Speaker 4: And later that day the dome collapsed, and a couple

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Speaker 3: And we did. Here we are here, we are decades

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Speaker 3: later or more. Time flies.

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Speaker 2: Boy, I've totally lost track of it, just totally.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: But today, as far as the forecast goes, on the

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Speaker 2: fourth day of April, the day before Easter, especially high

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Speaker 2: today about thirty eight degrees with and the forecast changed

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Speaker 3: It really really did.

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Speaker 2: Supposed to be fifteen to twenty five miles an hour

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Speaker 2: Wednesday afternoon, well on today, but now it's ten to

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Speaker 2: twenty for the wind is any case, it's going to

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Speaker 2: be windy and a few snow showers, but it's you know,

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Speaker 2: the sun will arrive where we're going to get around

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Speaker 2: to it six fifty four and it leaves us seven

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Speaker 2: fifty two tonight.

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Speaker 3: Turkey season is right around the corner.

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Speaker 4: I purchased my turkey license among all other licenses for

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Speaker 4: Minnesota and Wisconsin yesterday. So they dropped a little coin yesterday,

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Speaker 4: you did. But that's all right, that's what's all right.

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Speaker 4: I've got I'm I'm legal to fish, small game, hunt,

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Speaker 4: turkey hunt. Have got pheasants stamps, I've got waterfall stamps.

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Speaker 4: I'm the federal duck stamp is not on sale. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but everything else I've got in my pocket.

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Speaker 2: The only thing I have not gotten is my turkey

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Speaker 3: Going to do. I got my turkey lights. I got

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Speaker 3: my trout stamp. Oh I didn't buy that. I get uh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, now you're gonna stop on the north shore

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Speaker 2: and just fling a bait out and you joke.

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Speaker 4: But there's some uh that my my nephew, not on

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Speaker 3: Oh wonderful, wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Well, my next goal is to get the cabin open.

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Speaker 2: But I think they've got snow on the ground today

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Speaker 2: and find out the north shore is full on winter. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know that it's pretty that's pretty typical though.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 4: It is They got five inches of snow yesterday and

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Speaker 4: they were supposed to get more last night.

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Speaker 3: I don't I haven't looked to see what they got, but.

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Speaker 4: They've they've touched fifty up north, but that's it. They

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Speaker 4: They're ice fishing still up north. It's it's gonna run,

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Speaker 4: you know, at this phase. Really, six weeks from a

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Speaker 4: fishing opener, it's gonna be touch and gold, it really is,

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Speaker 4: I think up there. Yeah, I haven't looked at the

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Speaker 4: it's supposed to be chilly here for a little while.

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Speaker 2: It is, this will be like fifteen degrees fifteen well,

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Speaker 2: Tuesday morning for a low up in Sock Center.

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Speaker 4: You just you are dialed into when you can open

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Speaker 4: that darn cabin. Actually, do you have any prognostication for

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Speaker 2: Well, I am going to go up next Thursday, I believe,

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Speaker 2: and I'll order the soft water to come and I'll

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Speaker 2: turn the internet back on soft water late next week.

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Speaker 2: So the following Monday I'll be.

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Speaker 3: Up there, Oh you will. I'm planning on it Monday

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Speaker 3: or Tuesday, Brett, have you taken note of this? I have.

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Speaker 5: It's disappointing, especially since it's not going to break Let's

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Speaker 5: see you in the ten day. I don't see it

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Speaker 5: breaking sixty. So it's not warm enough for me to

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Speaker 5: golf go to the cabin. So you're getting to go

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Speaker 5: to the cabin and I'm not able to golf what

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Speaker 5: I'm saying, So.

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Speaker 3: You can come on up with me. I'll walk around

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Speaker 3: with you. There's any snow up there, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I have to use it. You'll have to use an

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Speaker 3: orange wall. I don't have my snow clubs on me.

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Speaker 3: I get a hockey stick with that one. Seriously.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, but well the folks are up with at

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Speaker 2: least John is up at Birchwood Resort getting everything ready.

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Speaker 3: Oh is that right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he goes up about the first of April and

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Speaker 2: he's got to get the campground ready and all the

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Speaker 3: So you will be in udio next weekend, Well I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I am not for sure next week I have I

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Speaker 2: want to test the radio piece. Last year when I

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Speaker 2: turned the internet on, it was so slow. I had

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Speaker 2: about a five second delay from hearing the talking. And

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Speaker 2: that is not acceptable because I just drive me nuts.

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Speaker 2: I spent I spent a day on the phone with

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Speaker 2: that I had more speed. My internet was faster that

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Speaker 2: it was supposed to be, because the internet faster than

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Speaker 2: I was paying for. That one, gotcha. But anyway, we'll see.

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Speaker 3: They always see that.

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Speaker 2: I'm all packed, Are you really well? I've got dog

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Speaker 2: that are all packed and taped up, but I just

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Speaker 2: got to put them in the truck.

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Speaker 3: Is Debbie a little bit nervous? No, she's she is

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Speaker 3: ready for you to get out of town. Is very honestly.

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Speaker 2: Now you've got to come back and get the boat

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Speaker 2: and get that ready to roll and pull it up

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Speaker 2: a season then, I hope.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not sure when I'm gonna hunt Eric.

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Speaker 2: Is he's after me to go He would like me

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Speaker 2: to go with him a season?

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Speaker 4: Is he gonna hunt with in the Suck Center area?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And Chad is coming up, But I'll see him tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: so I'm not sure exactly when he plans to. Both

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Speaker 2: and so we'll see they're all self contained. The only

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Speaker 2: in there for them, and well, yeah, they don't have

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Speaker 2: it either unless all well, I see, you got to

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Speaker 2: then be sure everything works. That's the other thing. After

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Speaker 2: a winter, there's always some surprises. And I've got I've

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Speaker 2: got an outlet outside that doesn't work, so I've got

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Speaker 3: And you've been monitoring the mouse situation, and.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we're pretty good so far. You've cut one.

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Speaker 2: W are you listening? She's not okay, I've caught two.

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Speaker 2: You've cut two. Okay, actually I caught three, but doesn't

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Speaker 2: make any difference right here. Four maybe maybe? Hey, this morning,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna first of all, kick things off with guest wise,

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Speaker 2: with mister Tom Whitehead, who is cooking maple syrup as

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Speaker 2: we speak, and I think he's got his third batch

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Speaker 2: done and that's going to be interesting.

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Speaker 3: Stan is going to be along. We'll find out.

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Speaker 2: The the status of the owls and the flying squirrels.

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Speaker 2: And as I was getting the fire ready to light

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Speaker 2: one day, I took out outdoor news and found an

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Speaker 2: So I asked, was asked Stan about that. Do you

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Speaker 2: ever look at the old papers.

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Speaker 3: And then find something that's kind of interests you? Right? Then?

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Speaker 2: You?

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Speaker 4: Most of my old pipe papers get recycled the next day.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, you have a stack of old papers. You're

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Speaker 4: firepipe lighting a smaller stack now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But as I take up a new a new

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Speaker 2: living quarters, I'll have to.

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Speaker 3: Bring that back off again moving to the cabin as

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Speaker 3: a new living quarter, it is yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I don't. I don't let the clutter gather,

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Speaker 4: don't you know? God, I'm glad I'm not there.

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Speaker 2: Yes, some of my best I'd recycle you the next day, Captain.

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Speaker 3: Probably somebody let me out.

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Speaker 2: Never know where your mind's gonna go. You don't think

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Speaker 2: you can get out of my recycling. I think we

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Speaker 2: need to go to a commercial at this point. Let's

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Speaker 2: let's take a break and we will be joined by

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Speaker 2: mister Tom Whitehead, and we'll talk some maple syrup and

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Speaker 2: maybe throw a little fishing in there too, So we'll

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Speaker 2: be right back after this seventeen minutes after the hour

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Speaker 2: of six a m. Bob same Pierre in studio. Yours truly,

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Speaker 2: Billy Hildebrand. I am here too on this Saturday morning.

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Speaker 3: What Saturday morning. But we're glad you're here.

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Speaker 2: It's a good morning to sit back and drink some

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Speaker 2: coffee too. And I'm not sure if our next guest

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Speaker 2: because he's been working. It's been working pretty hard too.

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Speaker 2: Mister Tom Whitehead joins us from the Brainerd Lakes area.

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Speaker 3: Tom, good morning, sir. Hello.

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Speaker 4: It must be snowing heavily and brainard so the internet

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Speaker 4: Feed those mice please, did we or maybe we called

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Speaker 4: Cindy and Cloquet again? Good morning, good morning?

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Speaker 3: How are things in Cloquet?

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Speaker 6: Where are you? It's I hope we.

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Speaker 7: Get down soon. I'm rendered out of voices. Captain, Okay,

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Speaker 7: that's enough. What would like? Tom?

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Speaker 3: Are you there?

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Speaker 2: Here we go here we go. I'm glad you saved

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Speaker 2: By I noticed that you've got three batches of maple

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Speaker 3: Oh my, as cold as it's been, was the sap

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Speaker 3: I'll be darned.

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Speaker 2: I figured that once it warmed up, then it would

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Speaker 9: It just has a different flavor to it as all.

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Speaker 9: No, it's it's ready to go. You know. We cook

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Speaker 9: So we're outside cooking over fire, and I go by taste.

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Speaker 9: I've got a pirates it's a measuring cup out there,

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Speaker 9: And what I do is we run it through the

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Speaker 9: And once it's in the jars and the jar seal,

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Speaker 9: It doesn't need to be refrigerated, but no, it's it's

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Speaker 9: Well, I've heard that, never tried it, but I did

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I mean eating it.

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Speaker 9: It doesn't last that long. It's gone, you know, by

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Speaker 3: So you told us about that last year.

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Speaker 2: And when when earlier we spoke, you hadn't used it yet,

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I can't believe we didn't do that

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Speaker 2: So when the staff quit's running and you quit using

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Speaker 9: No, not really. They send you a vial of they

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Speaker 9: It's a crystal. You have to mix it in with

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Speaker 4: But are you exclusively tapping maples or do you have

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Speaker 9: No, No, it's just maples, And we have different types

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Speaker 9: And that give or take. I mean, with our trees

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Speaker 3: Wow. Well, no, box Elder. Isn't that part of the

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Speaker 9: You know that. I'm not sure. I'm not an arborist,

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Speaker 9: But you know, we don't have any around here. Oh okay,

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Speaker 9: Well, we sold my dad's property and we had probably

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Speaker 9: there I didn't even know existed. So we actually bought

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Speaker 9: a few more hangars. We're doing forty five right now, okay,

439
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Speaker 9: And I think what we're gonna do is we're gonna

440
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Speaker 9: maybe next year move up to fifty. Our plan is

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Speaker 9: next year to buy a different stove. Right now, we're

442
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Speaker 9: just doing it with an old barrel stove, you know,

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Speaker 9: with the pans, and I can handle with I put

444
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Speaker 9: a set of gloves on. I can handle the pans myself.

445
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Speaker 9: And then with this ro system, next year we're going

446
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Speaker 9: to go up to a just a standard two foot

447
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Speaker 9: by three foot pan with a preheater that sits on

448
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Speaker 9: top of it, completely lined with fire brick. That way

449
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 9: our woodburning is more efficient. We're not burning up quite

450
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Speaker 9: as much wood, and it's just, you know, the process

451
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Speaker 9: is kind of evolved, and it seems like that happens

452
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Speaker 9: with everybody. You start out with a small operation, it's

453
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Speaker 9: a hobby, you know, and as you grow, it's like, Okay,

454
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Speaker 9: I just want to be more efficient. Not that I

455
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Speaker 9: really want to, you know, make any more.

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Speaker 3: Than I am.

457
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Speaker 9: I don't want to produce more. I don't want to

458
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Speaker 9: do it commercially, but I just want to be more efficient.

459
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 9: I want my eighteen hour days to be twelve hour days,

460
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Speaker 9: and I want to produce more syrup in those twelve

461
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Speaker 9: hour days than I did in the eighteen hour days.

462
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Speaker 9: And that's kind of the point we're at. I guess

463
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 9: we're getting older, you know, getting older and wiser.

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Speaker 3: And wiser, perhaps well speaking.

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Speaker 9: Trying to work as a little less less harder than

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Speaker 9: we did in the past.

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Speaker 4: Speaking wiser, you are correct, Captain. The box elder is.

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Speaker 2: A member of the maple fan Interesting, so you pulled

469
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Speaker 2: that out of something you don't know where.

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Speaker 3: I have no clue in.

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Speaker 9: The box under the tree. If you find them laying

472
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Speaker 9: on the ground, that's where the morales grow.

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Speaker 3: That sounds.

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Speaker 9: That's all I remember from hunting mushrooms in Southeastern.

475
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Speaker 2: I'm going to look under every box elder this spring.

476
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Speaker 2: It's a little early for those though, now, isn't it.

477
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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we just I mean it's snowing

478
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 9: outside right now. We get oh, the first round, I

479
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 9: think we had about five inches of snow, and this

480
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 9: morning I got up thinking we're gonna get a pile

481
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 9: and we've maybe got an in shelter. But it's coming

482
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 9: down now and it's I think there may be some

483
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Speaker 9: ice mixed in with it, so.

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Speaker 3: Win, I know, And I've been wanting it over for

485
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Speaker 3: a month now. It's awful.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Tom, are there if you're doing like your neighbor,

487
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Speaker 10: if you're doing the syrup making syrup commercially, is there

488
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Speaker 10: licensing that has to go with that?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure I would guess there is. He's gonna

491
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Speaker 9: have labels on all his bottles. He's actually got a

492
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Speaker 9: it's called a canning press, I believe, where everything has

493
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 9: to run through another filter system. It's a series of

494
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 9: membranes before it goes in the jar, so the color

495
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 9: is all consistent and you know, there's no cloud in

496
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Speaker 9: the jar, no sediment in it or anything like that.

497
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Speaker 9: It's a little a little different process.

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Speaker 3: Okay, he's got he's got what's.

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Speaker 9: Called the actually evaporator where you put the syrup in

500
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 9: the sap in on one end and it goes through

501
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 9: a series of dividers in the in the cooking pan.

502
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 9: When it comes out the other end, it's syrup. So

503
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 9: it's it's a it's a whole different machine. I mean,

504
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Speaker 9: you're talking thousands and thousands of dollars for these machines.

505
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Speaker 9: And his rows actually stands up. It looks like a

506
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 9: couple of oxygen tanks. You know. It's vertical, probably four

507
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 9: or five feet tall as flow meters, and it gets

508
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 9: pretty complicated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think are there a lot of people that

510
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Speaker 2: do what you're doing?

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Speaker 9: You know, it depends. I mean, I think there are

512
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Speaker 9: a lot of people that do what we call backyard

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Speaker 9: you know, sapping. Commercially, There's I think there's one over

514
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 9: an Achin that does I mean they store their their

515
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 9: sap and what they call chilling tanks that hold thousands

516
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Speaker 9: of gallons and stuff. They're they're big commercial companies out

517
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 9: there in Minnesota. But there's a lot of people that

518
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 9: just do the backyard hobbyist type sapping. And you'll see.

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Speaker 9: I mean there's somebody in branderd right across from the

520
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Speaker 9: hospital where my wife works, and they'll put on i

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00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 9: think maybe four taps, four or five taps in their

522
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 9: yard and they probably cook it down on their stove,

523
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Speaker 9: you know, just for their own use.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 9: Interesting, but you know, I think there's a lot of

526
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Speaker 9: people that just do that, you know, like I said,

527
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Speaker 9: it's a hobby.

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00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so are the lakes the store must still be

529
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: frozen pretty solid?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, let's not talk about.

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Speaker 3: That, okay. Well, well, I don't want to talk that.

532
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Speaker 9: A buddy of mine was up on Leach last weekend

533
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Speaker 9: and caught a bunch of perch up there, and they

534
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Speaker 9: went over with a four wheeler. The lakes around were

535
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Speaker 9: pulling away from shore enough you couldn't get out unless

536
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Speaker 9: you know, you laid out a plane carl ladder or

537
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Speaker 9: something like that. If that's If that's the case, and

538
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 9: you know how how much I like to fish, If

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Speaker 9: I got to walk across an extension ladder to get

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Speaker 9: out on the ice, I'll just go up to the

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Speaker 9: grocery store and by a steak.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear, yeah, you know, I hear you, Tom,

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us this morning. Is

544
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Speaker 2: interesting and I'm very curious about it from time to time.

545
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Speaker 2: But it sounds sounds kind of sounds it sounds like

546
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Speaker 2: a lot of work, but it sounds like it's worthwhile too.

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00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 9: If you like being outdoors, listen to the world wake

549
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 9: up and the geese are flying over and the cardinals

550
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 9: are singing and there's really not much, you know in

551
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 9: between ice fishing and turkey hunting in my world. Yeah,

552
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 9: so that the timing is perfect, and I just love

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Speaker 9: being outdoors.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you do.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Thank you Tom so very much. Have a wonderful

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Speaker 2: weekend at a great Easter or my friend.

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Speaker 9: And YouTube guys, thanks thanks for having me again. A

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Speaker 9: happy Easter for everyone.

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's Tom Whitehead.

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Speaker 4: And to answer your question, if you are making syrup

561
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Speaker 4: from your own land, trees from your own land, and

562
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Speaker 4: you do not put any off farm ingredients in, and

563
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Speaker 4: you sell direct to consumers with an annual income of seventy.

564
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: Eight thousand or less, seventy eight thousand or less, you

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Speaker 2: do not need a food license.

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Speaker 3: Hmm. So are you gonna go tap some maple trees

567
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Speaker 3: later today? I don't know.

568
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Speaker 2: I'll probably make too much money.

569
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was thinking to Captain.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot of maple syrup. Seventy eight thousand bucks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of dollars to anyway. So if

572
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Speaker 2: anybody out there listening is planning to do that, remember

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Speaker 2: seventy eight thousand is the point that you have to

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Speaker 2: have a food license and be inspected. So we'll take

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Speaker 2: a pause and be back with our next guest to

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Speaker 2: does not have a food license, does not have to

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Speaker 2: be inspected, but he does have abodes for owls and

578
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: has a number of flying squirrels that have a question

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Speaker 2: coming from yours truly. Stan Tequila will join us next

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Speaker 2: at naturesmart dot com.

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 11: Welcome back to Fan Outdoors, joined now by author, naturalist

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Speaker 11: and photographer Stan Tequila. Whether it's in Minnesota, Alaska, or Africa,

584
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Speaker 11: he's always in search of all things wild and natural.

585
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 11: He may even know more about animals than they do themselves.

586
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Speaker 3: And you thought the cat knew the outdoors.

587
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Speaker 11: Here's fan favorite Stan Tequila on Fan Outdoors.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Stan, Good morning. Well then just look outside.

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Speaker 3: Yet we didn't get any snow, did we?

590
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Speaker 2: No, we didn't have it on the North Metro we

591
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: had we had rain and we had light rain coming

592
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Speaker 2: in this morning.

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Speaker 3: I hope you didn't get catch No, I don't. I

594
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: don't think. I haven't looked outside yet.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, there's there's no snow on your owl according

596
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Speaker 4: to the camera.

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Speaker 3: I was just looking at that. Yeah, me too, Yeah

598
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Speaker 3: I was. I was trying to figure that out yet.

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00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: So yes, I see that there's no snow on the

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Speaker 3: owl right now, which is in central Minnesota. So it's

601
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Speaker 3: we must be doing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's not right on your property then there or

603
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Speaker 2: it's not nearby.

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Speaker 3: It is, it's on my property, but not on the

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Speaker 3: property I'm at right now. That's what I'm at. Interesting.

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Speaker 2: So with the cold that we have, and especially in

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Speaker 2: all next week is when.

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Speaker 3: We colder, I think for a couple of mornings, what

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Speaker 3: do the what happens to the birds.

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Speaker 2: That have our nest already? If any are, and I

611
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Speaker 2: think they are, if they've got eggs, will they do

612
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Speaker 2: they does the mother bird or whoever's sitting on the eggs,

613
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Speaker 2: do they realize that it's really cold?

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Speaker 3: They have to keep it from for reason, absolutely, and

615
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Speaker 3: the only thing that's gonna be nesting at this time

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Speaker 3: of year are going to be the hawks and the

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Speaker 3: eagles and the owls. There's only the bigger birds who

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Speaker 3: have more body masks, who can produce more heat and

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Speaker 3: be able to do it. Smaller birds, the songbirds, they

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Speaker 3: haven't even gotten here yet, but they will be at

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Speaker 3: some point. So only the ones who are nesting now

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Speaker 3: are the ones who have good experience at it and

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Speaker 3: do well at this time of year. And there's reasons

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Speaker 3: why they do it at this time of year. Some

625
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Speaker 3: of those reasons, and this is all obviously just speculation too,

626
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Speaker 3: but some of those reasons are like with these great

627
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Speaker 3: horn owls, is that they the chicks need a longer

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Speaker 3: time in which to kind of grow through the summer

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Speaker 3: to be able to master the skills of hunting and

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Speaker 3: such so that they can do it. And so they

631
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Speaker 3: need that for long time nor to be able to

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Speaker 3: do that, you know, your typical robin blue jay, cardinal

633
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Speaker 3: type of thing. It's just a matter of weeks and

634
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Speaker 3: they can have two young in the in one in

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Speaker 3: one season two so or two sets of young in

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Speaker 3: one season. So the it's only the these bigger, more

637
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Speaker 3: experienced birds that are doing it early and nesting early

638
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Speaker 3: like now.

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Speaker 2: I got a text from Anne from Alec and that

640
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Speaker 2: was a week ago or so.

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Speaker 3: She wanted me to ask you, when will the baby.

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Speaker 2: Owls open their eyes or have they?

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Speaker 3: Uh my owls The eyes are open now on they

644
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Speaker 3: open it about six or seven days after hatching. So

645
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: now when they hatch, they've they're they're still developing, and

646
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Speaker 3: they're still when they hatch, they're still absorbing the yolk.

647
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Speaker 3: That's what by the way, that's what yolk is for

648
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 3: inside of an egg is it's the nutrition for the

649
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Speaker 3: growing chick and so even when they hatch, there's still

650
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Speaker 3: a little bit of yolk left over that the chickens

651
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Speaker 3: is absorbing. So oftentimes most small birds, even big birds,

652
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Speaker 3: when they hatch, for the first day or two afterwards,

653
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Speaker 3: they don't need to eat because they're still absorbing that

654
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: yoke and they're still being able to get nutrition and

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Speaker 3: continue the growth pattern. And then at about and when

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Speaker 3: they hatch, they typically hatch not all birds. There's pre

657
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: kocial birds and semi attritional birds, and these pre kocial

658
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 3: birds are hatched with their eyes open, and the semi

659
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: attritional birds hatch with their eyes still sealed shut and

660
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: they opened at about six or seven days.

661
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 4: Stan, you need another camera from the other direction on

662
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 4: this owl because the adults, the adult has just arrived

663
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 4: moments ago, and I believe it's breakfast time. But I

664
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 4: can't tell what trier the owl brought to the to

665
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 4: the two chicks, but they are wolf and something down

666
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 4: but I don't.

667
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: I can't see it from this side. Yeah, yeah, that's

668
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: interesting to hope there. You can well see it. Well,

669
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 3: you're gonna be able to see it now. My feed

670
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: is about thirty seconds before your feed, so you're gonna

671
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: be able to see it in about thirty seconds. What

672
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: is that They've got something? Oh, she's putting it in

673
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: the corner of the nest. And so for people who

674
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 3: don't know, I've got a camera on a great horn

675
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 3: owl nest. And the kind of the dealings of going

676
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: on right now are quite active where the Yeah, the

677
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: male will do all the hunting and then he'll dispatch

678
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: whatever it is and he'll consume part of it himself,

679
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: or if it's just like a mouse or of ola shrew,

680
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 3: then he'll give it to the female, who then then

681
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: in turn gives it to the young. But he's brought

682
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: in probably seven or eight rabbits so far, and so

683
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 3: this is a pretty dark, good hunting male. And then

684
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: she takes parts of it and stores it in the nest,

685
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 3: and then at feeding time she pulls out that, you know,

686
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 3: like she just put it in the corner, and then

687
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: she'll pull out that rabbit and then she'll tear it

688
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 3: up and start feeding into the chicks at that point.

689
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: With all this rain, this cold rain, this is what

690
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 3: really gets to birds. Though the snow they can handle

691
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: that pretty well, but the cold rain is what really

692
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: kind of you know, drives up the mortality on these

693
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: on these birds because that being wet and being cold

694
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: at the same time really SAPs some of their energy

695
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 3: and their heat, and the mother needs to be sitting

696
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 3: on them, and of course she herself is getting very wet.

697
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 3: So these cold rains are really tough on these chicks.

698
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 3: They really are. And people are always asking that, like

699
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: in the comments, because there's a whole community of people

700
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: in the chat who are asking about, you know, don't

701
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 3: you have a roof over this thing? And you know,

702
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 3: come there's not a roof and things like that, and

703
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 3: of course they know, you know, they wouldn't they wouldn't

704
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: probably come to a nest that has a roof on

705
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: it because they're open nest type birds. Also just a

706
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: reminder that owls do not build a nest. I'm unaware

707
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 3: of any species of owl in the world who actually

708
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: builds a nest. They take over the nests of other birds,

709
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: or they nest on just a flat surface or you know,

710
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 3: a rocky surface or a you know, there's all sorts

711
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 3: of different places. A broken off tree trunk and so

712
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: there's a little bit of a space there or that

713
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 3: type of thing.

714
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: HM interesting well, with the cold weather that we've got,

715
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: do a lot of birds reverse migrate once they arrive

716
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: if the weather goes south.

717
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 3: Some of the smaller birds have been shown to do this.

718
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: Some of the ducks do this also, will where they'll

719
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: turn around and head back. That's usually with a really

720
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: strong storm system. And you know, a one day rain

721
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 3: is not that big deale form, but if it's a

722
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: real strong system then they tend to they can do that,

723
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 3: and they do show in a lot of studies where

724
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: the birds will move out of the way of a

725
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: storm and then they're from there. They you know, they'll

726
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 3: wait for the storm to pass and then they'll come back.

727
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: But this really isn't that big of a storm here

728
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: in northern Minnesota. They're having a little bit more than

729
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: we are having, so therefore it may it would definitely

730
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: slow down or pause the migration, the northward movement.

731
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: I saw we were at Fleet Farm last week and

732
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: I saw a package of seeds that on the front

733
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: of the package it said they were for hummingbirds.

734
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, is that possible.

735
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: Can you raise and you are wildflowers that will be

736
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: attractive to some birds or will all flowers be attractive

737
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 2: to birds?

738
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 3: Well, only the flowers that have a corolla. This is

739
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: the tube behind the flowers. So if it's a flat flower,

740
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: typically it does not attract hummingbirds or other insects. The

741
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 3: ones that have a corolla or this tube behind the flower,

742
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: those are the ones that have enough nectar in them

743
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: to be able to attract the birds. So I was

744
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 3: looking at a wildflower mix. They weren't advertising it for hummingbirds.

745
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 3: They were just advertising it as wildflowers. And just like

746
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 3: you said, it was all annuals, meaning they're only going

747
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: to last the one season, and none of them were native.

748
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 3: They were all non native things that will grow well,

749
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: but then they they're not going to reproduce, they're not

750
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: going to continue on, so you only have them for

751
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: one season. And a lot of those were fairly decent

752
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 3: for attracting hummingbirds, but a lot of them weren't. So

753
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 3: you have to be a little bit more specific when

754
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 3: you're looking for flowers to plant your garden. If you

755
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: want to plant them once and have them grow year

756
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 3: after year, get to look for perennials and if and

757
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 3: then you want to find ones that are kind of

758
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 3: friendly towards hummingbirds so that they can you know, feed

759
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 3: off of those two and those include things like Manarda.

760
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 3: Manarda is a type of mint, and it is it

761
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 3: has wonderful comes in all sorts of different colors, and

762
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 3: it has small corollas on many flowers together, so there

763
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 3: it's like a compositive flowers. It has maybe fifty or

764
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 3: sixty flowers all in one bunch, and each one of

765
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 3: those has a tube onet and those tubes each have

766
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 3: nectar in it. So the hummingbirds really go for things

767
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: like the banardas.

768
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: I'm always dubious on advertising because they make claims that

769
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 2: are not even beginning to.

770
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,280
Speaker 3: Be close to what it is. Yeah, you're and you

771
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: you're right to be skeptical in those situations because oftentimes

772
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 3: they are not even closer. If it was that quick,

773
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 3: simple and easy, we would have, you know, it, be

774
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 3: everybody be doing it and be all over the place,

775
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: and it just simply isn't that way. Well, the one, the.

776
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: Big one that comes to mind is the are the

777
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: hummingbird bird houses that they're averatise.

778
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 3: Gosh, oh my gosh. I've never seen such a thing.

779
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 3: But that's funny because hummingbirds won't use a birdhouse. They

780
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 3: build a nest on a branch, a very specific type

781
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: of nest in a very specific type of area. So yeah,

782
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: that would be that would not work. I'll have to

783
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 3: keep my ey. That's funny. I yeah, and it's funny.

784
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 3: I I. This is a number of years ago, quite

785
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: a few years ago. I had a company in contacted

786
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: me and they had developed a bluebird seed mix and

787
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 3: they wanted me to photograph bluebirds eating this seed mix

788
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: like that. And it was all I could do to say,

789
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but bluebirds don't eat seeds, you know. But

790
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 3: they had all the packaging for it and everything, but

791
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 3: they wanted me to you know, photograph this and for

792
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 3: advertising for them, and I was like, well, that's not

793
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 3: gonna work.

794
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: So huh interesting, Well, yeah, with the Bob and I

795
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 2: were talking off air with tim and Woodcock, timber doodles, timber, Yeah,

796
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: timber doodles.

797
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: Will they reverse migrate.

798
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: Now if we got snow, if we've got just cold,

799
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: there be worms and stuff in the ground.

800
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think they're gonna reverse migrade at all.

801
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 3: They've been they've been painting for oh gosh, three weeks already,

802
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: and uh so, what this is is the American woodcock

803
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 3: is a small shore bird that is not at the

804
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: shore and is a woodland bird actually a kind of

805
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 3: a brushland bird that does this amazing sky dance. And

806
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: it's happening right now. So each evening, about twenty minutes

807
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 3: after sunset, the males take to the sky and do

808
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 3: these amazing aerial displays for the females who are presumably

809
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: watching on the ground, and then they do this over

810
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 3: and over again, trying to attract in these females. And

811
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: it's just one of those most amazing, elaborate, you know,

812
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 3: mating rituals that's found in the natural world that I

813
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 3: find absolutely fascinating. I first saw this back in the

814
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: probably nineteen seventy six seventy seven, when Kathy Heidel, who

815
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: was the Three Rivers first Naturalists and was my mentor

816
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 3: at the time, took me out to show me this,

817
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: and my jaw hung open and I went, what the

818
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: heck is going on here? And so since then I've

819
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 3: taken many people out to witness this. In the springtime,

820
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: it's such there's not a whole lot going on this

821
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 3: time year other than maple syruping, so it's a great

822
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: time year to get out and see something cool like this.

823
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 3: And they'll do this all through the all through April.

824
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: The uh the Males will be displaying all through April too,

825
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 3: so you're not too late if you want to get

826
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: out to see it. You got to look for a

827
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 3: brushy kind of a scrubby open area next to a

828
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: woodland area and they'll display about twenty minutes after sunset

829
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: each night.

830
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 4: Or you could go to New York City. Have you

831
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 4: seen the wall the wood have?

832
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 3: Go ahead? Stand I did. I've seen that, Yeah, go ahead,

833
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 3: But it's just apparently there's one there, and there's every

834
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 3: It looks like half of New York City, is there

835
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 3: to see this bird? Have you seen this cattle? There's there.

836
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 4: I think there's a few woodcock in Bryant Park and

837
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 4: it's doing kind of the woodcock dance in this little

838
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 4: garden area. And there are rows and rows and rows

839
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 4: of people taking photos and selfies.

840
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 3: And it's unseen n New York Times, Washington. It's all

841
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: over the internet the last two days.

842
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 4: People people fascinating they've never seen this bird before.

843
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: Wow, a new discovery, new discovery, new discovery to them.

844
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: You know, this is a bird that's been obviously doing

845
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 3: this for millions of years. And uh so now people

846
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 3: are starting to discover these these types of things. And

847
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 3: I blame it all myself, of course.

848
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 4: You know you gotta get a wind cot cam there, Stan, Yeah,

849
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 4: I am.

850
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: I am working on a new cam and I'm hoping

851
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: we'll work out eventually, and it's gonna take some time

852
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: and maybe it'll be up and running later later this summer.

853
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: But I am working on a new cam that I'm

854
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: hoping to have up and running for We'll see. People

855
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: will will enjoy that.

856
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 4: You're just gonna tease it like that, you just yes.

857
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 3: Yes, get at a new cam yeah, I don't. I

858
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: don't like to say things. Then if it doesn't turn out,

859
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 3: then I'm you know, I don't like being disappointed people

860
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 3: and things. Speaking of disappointing, I don't know about you,

861
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 3: but I'm only seeing two owlets in the nest. I wonder.

862
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if we lost overnight. We lost our youngest one, Silva,

863
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 3: So Sage is the biggest one of those two. For

864
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 3: people who don't know, we're watching the my owl cam.

865
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: It's a live owl stream of great horned owls who

866
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: who've nested and they laid three eggs, hatch three eggs.

867
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: But I'm only seeing two right now. So the youngest one,

868
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 3: which this happens, the youngest one couldn't compete, couldn't stay

869
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 3: warm enough, and possibly didn't make it through the night

870
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: because you was there last night. But anyhow, you can

871
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 3: go to YouTube at Nature smart Media and you can

872
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 3: see this for your It's a live livestream running twenty

873
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: four to seven.

874
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 2: Well, one day I looked at it and I couldn't

875
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: I could only see two. But then a little bit

876
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: later I looked back at it and the littlest one

877
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: showed up. It was like it was wrapped up or

878
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 2: underneath a couple of problems.

879
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was probably underneath the other ones.

880
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting different five minutes ago it went from black

881
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 2: and white to full color.

882
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: Right, did you do that or is that you okay?

883
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 3: I figured you were that is go ahead, No, that's

884
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 3: not That is when there when the light is low,

885
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 3: then the infrared turns on automatically, and then the infrared

886
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 3: runs all night long, and then when there's enough light,

887
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: the infrared turns off and the infrared, by the way,

888
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: is in black and white. Then and then when the

889
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 3: infrared turns off, then it goes back to the color camera.

890
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: So there's enough daylight. So that's what happened, is we

891
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 3: just got enough daylight for it to switch off and

892
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 3: to h switch over to the regular color camera. This

893
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 3: is a four k ptz camera, so I can spin

894
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 3: it around, I can zoom things like that, but it's

895
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 3: the motor tends to make a lot of noise. So

896
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 3: whatever I do, I try to wait for the adult

897
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 3: to be away the female to be away, because it

898
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: really attacks attracts their attention, but there's no real reason

899
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: to be you know, spinning around and zooming and things

900
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 3: like that, so people just want to see what's going on.

901
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 3: One more question. I know we got to go to break.

902
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 4: A few moments ago, you talked about the only birds

903
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 4: that are nesting right now being you know, the owls

904
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 4: and some of the big bigs.

905
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 3: But aren't saniel cranes in Canada? Geese. Aren't they starting

906
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 3: to nest now? Yes, they're starting to nest, they're pairing up,

907
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 3: they're re establishing pair bonds, they're building nests, but I

908
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 3: don't know if they're not sitting on eggs. Okay, yeah, yeah,

909
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: So the like sand hills are doing, they're all paired up.

910
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: The geese are all paired up, swans are all paired up.

911
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 8: There.

912
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 3: This is the prep time for or the you know,

913
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: the kind of the flood of reproduction that's gonna happen

914
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 3: in place. So and they're gonna be starting, you know,

915
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: the sand hills building nest. The geese and the swan's

916
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 3: all building this. So if they don't have the nest,

917
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 3: they're gonna have to build one, or if they're gonna

918
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 3: have to remodel last year's nest, that type of thing.

919
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: So some of these bigger birds will use a nest

920
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 3: from last year where that's a pretty unusual thing. Smaller

921
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 3: birds don't generally do that. They build a new nest

922
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 3: each time and again, like with these owls, they don't

923
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 3: build a nest at all. They simply take over another nest.

924
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: Oh okay, we got to take a break, and we will

925
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: do so. Stan, I'm assuming you can stay with us.

926
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 3: Let's do it wonderful.

927
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: Our guest is mister Stan Tequila, as a naturalist and

928
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: regular guest on Fan Outdoors.

929
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 3: And we do enjoy having it.

930
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 2: We'll take that pause and be back with one more

931
00:51:51,440 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: segment of Stan after this. We're back six minutes after

932
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: they are seven o'clock. Bob Saint Pierre in studio. You're

933
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 2: truly I am here too. Cabin casts aren't far away

934
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 2: much too much to Bret chagrin, But he says, if

935
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: I can't, if he can't, Golf, I can't go to

936
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: the cabin.

937
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 5: But I should be out wearing shorts when you go

938
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 5: to the cabin. That's what I'm saying.

939
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 3: Okay, well, we'll see.

940
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 2: I've seen guys in shorts now.

941
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 5: Well yeah, but those are the tough guys. I'm trying

942
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 5: to look cool. Oh okay, it's not nearly shorts weather.

943
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: I didn't think so, I think they're a little bit

944
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 2: titch strup stairs.

945
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 3: A little what let's go to the live owl cam.

946
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 2: Something that I guess to stand takeil by the way.

947
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 3: There's a there's more food in the owl nests right now. Stand.

948
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 3: Did you see the arrival of another shrewp I did

949
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 3: just see that. And what she just carried across the

950
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 3: nest was actually a brown rat, so well, correctly, yeah,

951
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 3: a brown a brown rat. This is a non native

952
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 3: rat species that's found in just about any agricultural area

953
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 3: that you can imagine. They anybody who's got a barn

954
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 3: knows that they've got they've got rats. And that was

955
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 3: a brown rat. So I live in a very rural

956
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: area and and so rats are fairly common. And that's

957
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 3: what we've brought in. So that's this is the male

958
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: he's uh so maple is the female? Oak is the

959
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: male oak is. He's such a good hunter. He brings

960
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 3: in so many good things. Like I said, he's brought

961
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: it in at least seven different rabbits. And this is

962
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 3: a and what I she just picked it up from

963
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 3: one side of the nest and moved over to the corner.

964
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 3: Of another nest and just is she's just storing it

965
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 3: off to the side. And so you know, I looked

966
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 3: at that one. Oh wow, look at that. It's They

967
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 3: used to call it Norway rat, and they are not

968
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 3: from Norway. They were first described in Norway. So therefore

969
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 3: the name kind of got stuck several hundred years ago.

970
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 3: And so this is actually the brown rat and non

971
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 3: native rat. That's common just about anywhere in rural areas well.

972
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 2: The process of renaming things seem to be going rampant

973
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: for a while now.

974
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 3: I haven't heard much yeah recently, Yeah, I agree, but

975
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 3: but it's happening in two different ways. There's a lot

976
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 3: of renaming based on the original name named after somebody,

977
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 3: and then everybody, well, that's not named after somebody. It's

978
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 3: named after a country. So yeah, but it's named after something. Yeah,

979
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 3: that that named after something's not a problem. What they're

980
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 3: having problems with is naming it after people. And then

981
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 3: they what they'll do is they'll take today's lens, today's

982
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 3: standards and then project it upon you know, somebody two

983
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 3: hundred years ago and say, oh, well that's absolutely terrible.

984
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 3: You know, this is a terrible person and I'm not

985
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 3: sure I agree with that, because you know, if something

986
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 3: happened then is very different than happening now. So I'm

987
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not a big fan of all

988
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 3: this renaming things based on judging people two hundred years

989
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 3: past tense, you know.

990
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: The political correctness that people kind of assume and place

991
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 2: on us now kill the brands Merganzi, Yeah, yes, wow,

992
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: there it is.

993
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that happens, and then there's other changes to

994
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 3: just correct things. We're also there's other name changes based

995
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 3: on and this is generally speaking in the genus level,

996
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 3: not the species level. In the genus level, they're changing

997
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 3: some names only because with genetics, with all the new

998
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 3: genetic work, we're realizing that some animals are not related

999
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 3: to things we thought they were related to. So a

1000
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 3: little context for this, a little history behind this. We

1001
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 3: as people, we like to categorize, Okay, we like to pigeonhole,

1002
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 3: we like to put things in a box. Right, This

1003
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 3: is what we do because I think it helps our

1004
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 3: mind to organize and understand things and so on and so forth.

1005
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 3: So this is something that we do a lot. And

1006
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 3: in the past what we've done is we take and

1007
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 3: we look at species and we see similar traits. Okay,

1008
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 3: so that all birds that have long thin bills and

1009
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 3: visit flowers must be a type of hummingbirds that type

1010
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 3: of thing, right, So then we take and put all

1011
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 3: these birds that have long, thin bills and we put

1012
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 3: them in the hummingbird category. And so we've done this

1013
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 3: on gross anatomy, on basic things that we could see

1014
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 3: with our naked eyes and anybody can observe. And so

1015
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 3: that's how we've been categorizing for hundreds of hundreds of years.

1016
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 3: Well now recently with all the genetics and easy DNA stuff,

1017
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 3: we're able to look at it closer and with more detail,

1018
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 3: and we're finding that some of those things are that

1019
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: we assumed before are actually not true. And so they're

1020
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 3: renaming a fair amount of birds at the genus level

1021
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 3: where we thought they were closely related and it turns

1022
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 3: out that they're not, and so that we're breaking them apart.

1023
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 3: So there's some interesting things going out there. And I'm

1024
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 3: racking my brain right now trying to think of a

1025
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 3: good example of that, because I've seen quite a few

1026
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 3: of these recently. I know the harry woodpecker has just

1027
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 3: changed its genus name they thought it was so closely

1028
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 3: related to the down woodpecker, and it turns out it's not,

1029
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: even though they look nearly do. So Yeah, well, little

1030
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 3: that's uh.

1031
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 2: But the problem is with a lot of people stand

1032
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 2: in yourself. Myself included the old name sticks because that's

1033
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 2: how I know it, and that's how I'm referring to it.

1034
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's and that's fine, uh, you know,

1035
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: and I'm I'm kind of in that camp. Also, I

1036
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 3: do change with the times, like, uh, the northern harrier

1037
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 3: used to be called the marshawk and so, and there's

1038
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 3: a lot of those types of uh of things. But

1039
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 3: I try to keep up with the most common names

1040
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 3: with them only because uh, you know, I write field guides,

1041
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 3: and those field guides need to have the most accurate,

1042
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: st up to date name them. But what I was

1043
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 3: referring to earlier was people are just willing nearly changing

1044
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 3: common names. Yeah. And for example, and here's one that

1045
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 3: really gets under my skin. Hey, hey, you guys, we

1046
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 3: can add this to the list of things that really

1047
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 3: gets understand like seagulls and horns. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1048
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 3: you're so, you guys ready for this. So this is

1049
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 3: my latest this is. Yeah, there is another good one. Yeah,

1050
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 3: this one is really getting under my skin right now,

1051
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 3: and that is there's a small animal related to rabbits

1052
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 3: that live at high, high elevations in mountains. Do you

1053
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 3: know what this animal is called? Small?

1054
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 4: The hair is the only thing I can think of,

1055
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 4: but that's probably okay.

1056
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 3: So it's a pika, Okay, okay. The pika is a

1057
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 3: small rabbit like animal lives in high elevations, you know,

1058
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 3: like above ten thousand feet, and it p I k

1059
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 3: a pika. And this new generation, these young kids, these days,

1060
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 3: back in my old days, get off my lawn anyhow,

1061
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 3: they're calling it pika. Yeah, they're calling it pika, like pikachu.

1062
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 3: I'm having there. It is and that's exactly it. They're

1063
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 3: doing it because of that, and it is absolutely incorrect.

1064
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna I'll go to my dying day because

1065
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 3: it is a pika. It is not a pika. And

1066
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 3: I just want to go. Oh yeah, it's too late already,

1067
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 3: got myself going, all right, all right, we're almost out

1068
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 3: of time. Got a question via Facebook for you gentlemen.

1069
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 3: Looked in a red house last August and it was

1070
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 3: filled with thousands of tiny bugs attacking the house. Will

1071
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 3: nesting birds stay in a house when it's being infested

1072
01:00:53,920 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 3: by insects? Absolutely not. Uh, these are probably ants that

1073
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 3: are in there. And if you want the birds to

1074
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 3: use it, that box needs to be completely cleaned out well.

1075
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 3: So even in the season, you need to get out

1076
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 3: all those all those bugs there. They're a real problems.

1077
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 3: There are kind of insects that infest a lot of

1078
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 3: different boxes that need to be cleaned out otherwise the

1079
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 3: young will not make it in those boxes. Now, renhouses

1080
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 3: and I'm taking uptime.

1081
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: Ren houses need to be cleaned yearly anyway, don't they stand, Well.

1082
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 3: They should be cleaned right after you, right after young

1083
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 3: have have left. Yeah, okay, God, because they'll be they'll

1084
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 3: use them again, Yes, yeah, they'll use that box over

1085
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 3: and over again and they'll and so you need to

1086
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 3: clean them out and so that they have another chance

1087
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 3: at it too. But cleaning them out really helps to

1088
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 3: take out all the debris so that you can have

1089
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 3: an opportunity for you know, the birds to nest again

1090
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 3: and not leave a home for insects to get in there.

1091
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 3: Because there's a lot of different mites that we'll get

1092
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 3: in there. The ants will attack the young and it'll

1093
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 3: kill all the babies in there too. So this is

1094
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 3: something I'm a Purple Martin landlord, and my Purple Martins

1095
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 3: I have to keep an eye on make sure that

1096
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 3: they don't get a lot of bugs in there too.

1097
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 3: Bluebirds same way, you got to make sure that there's

1098
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 3: no you know, bugs in there too. So there's lots

1099
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 3: of things to do. Some people use. So back when

1100
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 3: I was the director of the Nature Center, we we

1101
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 3: had eighty bluebird boxes that some volunteers went around and

1102
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 3: helped to clean out. And we always used a vanilla spray,

1103
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 3: so it was a water with some vanilla in it.

1104
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 3: Once we cleaned out the box, then we would spray

1105
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 3: it with vanilla. That would help keep down the insects

1106
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 3: in the box. And it would be a natural way

1107
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 3: in which to do this and not have a chemical

1108
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 3: residue inside the boxes, and so that helps to keep

1109
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 3: down the insects too. Stan, thank you for your time again,

1110
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 3: my friend. I will wow.

1111
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,439
Speaker 2: I know it goes way too fast fast, and we'll

1112
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: probably do a longer segment real cool, real soon too,

1113
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 2: if that's okay with you. All right, guys, stay warm

1114
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 2: and stay dry, there we go in a happy Easter stand.

1115
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, happy Easter. We'll talk in a couple of weeks.

1116
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: Stan Tequila joined us each and every other week, and

1117
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: we will continue that, but maybe add coming up will

1118
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: add a little longer segment for maybe a lightning round.

1119
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 3: We'll get some questions rolling from the crowd. We can

1120
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 3: do that.

1121
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 2: We're going to come back with Tackle Terry right now,

1122
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 2: and we will take that pause.

1123
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 3: And be right back after this.

1124
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 2: Twenty three minutes after the hour of seven am on

1125
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 2: a fan outdoors Saturday morning. Bob Saint Pierre. Here, I

1126
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 2: am Billy Hildebrand, waiting for spring.

1127
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 3: How's that at?

1128
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 8: So? Uh?

1129
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 2: We will bring into the conversation tackle Terry Tuma right now.

1130
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 2: Who is probably I don't think he's fishing right now,

1131
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 2: but we'll find that.

1132
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 4: I think he's fishing, do you Yeah? My money's on

1133
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 4: he's in the boat somewhere all right. Well, the real

1134
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 4: question is will he tell us where?

1135
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 2: No?

1136
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 4: You know better than that there might be somebody coming

1137
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,479
Speaker 4: to him. Oh do you hear a train?

1138
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 8: Good on you guys, hope you're doing well. No, I'm

1139
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 8: not fishing today, Bob. It's snowing here.

1140
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 3: Who is it.

1141
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 4: Oh, he's leaving us clues it's snowing where he's fishing?

1142
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 3: Are you holding?

1143
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 8: I would right, Yeah, it's cold and snow AND's got

1144
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 8: a lot of winds, so typical on Minnesota weather.

1145
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 2: Well, where are you at that it's snowing? It's not

1146
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 2: knowing anywhere we've heard around here yet?

1147
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 8: Well, really.

1148
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 3: Near New Prague Okay, interesting, So I.

1149
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 8: Couldn't see the lake.

1150
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 3: Was knowing that hard? Huh?

1151
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, but let's hope it's just a big heavy snowshower.

1152
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 4: And then well, yes, New Prage. You got any favorite

1153
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 4: lakes in the New preg area there.

1154
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 8: There's a lot of them. We're fortunately, we got a

1155
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 8: lot of lakes in our area. We go down through

1156
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 8: the Waterville area, Faribole area, they're just a town of lakes.

1157
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:35,919
Speaker 8: Then we're not that far from the river either.

1158
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 2: Well there's some You're you're living on a lake, though,

1159
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 2: aren't you?

1160
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, I thought so.

1161
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 3: So why is your lake open?

1162
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 8: Yes it is. It's been open for about a little

1163
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 8: over a week now. Oh my, but most of the

1164
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 8: lakes in this area are wide open.

1165
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 3: Oh have you been on open water? Have you got

1166
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 3: your boat out?

1167
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 8: No? No, I'm going to little bit. I just don't

1168
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 8: trust this weather he had tied. Just I got to

1169
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 8: be make sure that we really have spring here. So

1170
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 8: then I'm gonna if I'm not doing some crappie fishing

1171
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 8: from shore, oh okay, well you could have some fabulous

1172
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 8: success and there is I have not seen anyone fishing

1173
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 8: from shore yet whatsoever.

1174
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes that tells me something.

1175
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 8: Most of the time it does right, or if there

1176
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 8: are no boats on the water, if they're testing their

1177
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 8: boats out. But otherwise you're exactly right. But you know,

1178
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 8: we got to get water temperatures up there a little bit.

1179
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 8: We got to get some stable weather, some sunny weather

1180
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 8: before we even see anything really taking place. These fish

1181
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 8: are going to be deep and many times they're probably

1182
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 8: not going to start to bite. But once we have

1183
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 8: some stable weather and some warmer weather southerly wins, then

1184
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 8: we're going to see a very strong movement to crappies.

1185
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 4: Especially what what water temp will croppies move in shallow?

1186
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 8: Generally speaking, something they're like a thirty nine to forty

1187
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 8: to forty four degrees. Who will start to see that

1188
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 8: fish move shallow? And I think so often we have

1189
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 8: a tendency is that well, they're going to be shadow immediately.

1190
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 8: They're not generally speaking what they do with they stage

1191
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 8: outside their feeding grounds. And then also they're spawning ground.

1192
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 8: So that's the first movement that we see. And I

1193
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 8: think so many times anglers think well, they're coming in

1194
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 8: to spawn, they are not. They don't spawn to something

1195
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 8: nearly sixty eight.

1196
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 3: Degrees usually early in the spring. Terry. If you can get.

1197
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 2: Old russias or russias, they're going to hold fish because

1198
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 2: there's bugs in them, but they're so spooky it's hard

1199
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:41,439
Speaker 2: to get up to them.

1200
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, really, you're right. And also too we hear so

1201
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 8: much about the dark bottom based on the north end

1202
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 8: the lake, which is definitely good because bottom content they're

1203
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 8: usually mud and that warms up quicker and holds a

1204
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,919
Speaker 8: lot of insects. But two, I think there's so much

1205
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,479
Speaker 8: emphasis on those bottom bays that we've had some great

1206
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 8: success in some sandy shoreline and some rocky areas. When

1207
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 8: we're shorelines, anything where that water is a little bit warmer,

1208
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 8: you only like a two degree range can make a

1209
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 8: big difference in these locations, and as you mentioned too,

1210
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 8: like bul rushes, but also if you're fishing a larger

1211
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 8: bay is dock and old fish definitely over trees. As

1212
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,520
Speaker 8: you mentioned, boat rushes anything like that can be extremely

1213
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 8: extremely productive, but as you said, they can be very

1214
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 8: very spooky.

1215
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 2: Well, and a bay a fairly large bay, terry. There's

1216
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 2: a north end of that too.

1217
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, there really is, you know, but I think

1218
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 8: there's so much And the reason I mean there's so

1219
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 8: much emphasis on that is that the muddy bays will

1220
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 8: retain and warm up quicker, especially a little bit of

1221
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:54,600
Speaker 8: a shallower bait bay. But also too, we need to

1222
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 8: look for something that's gonna hold thtle fish, as you mentioned,

1223
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 8: like boat rushes or trees or dock or rocks, anything

1224
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 8: like that that's going to hold temperatures up there. And

1225
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 8: then too, the other thing too, before they move into

1226
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 8: the shallows, they can be just staging outside and you

1227
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 8: can catch the scrappies with a jig and a minnow

1228
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:16,440
Speaker 8: or plastics and about fifteen twenty five three feet.

1229
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,799
Speaker 2: Well, and can't you use some baits like a beetle

1230
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 2: spin or something with a little blade on it to

1231
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 2: move slowly through the water as search baits.

1232
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, you really can, depending on how active these fish are,

1233
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 8: you know, if you can, but you need to have,

1234
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 8: you know, the smaller profile. You have to you know,

1235
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 8: move that bait real slow in the water, but especially

1236
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,480
Speaker 8: when the temperatures start to warm out, they can work extremely,

1237
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,759
Speaker 8: extremely well. And that is another really good choice. Usually

1238
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 8: at the first uh first sift the deep. Most of

1239
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 8: the time I use a jig, a smaller jig just

1240
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 8: to get into targets and where those fish are at

1241
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 8: and then tip put plastic add or a minnow, and

1242
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 8: then of course system can be very productive to where

1243
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 8: you don't have any movement except the data is providing

1244
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 8: the movement.

1245
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 2: Have you heard anything about bait availability, Terry with some

1246
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 2: of the local bait dealers that you have in your area.

1247
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,719
Speaker 8: No, I haven't, not one word. And everything that I

1248
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 8: did hear was that their shiner count was not good.

1249
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 8: And then also too, I haven't as far as fatheads,

1250
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 8: and so far, I haven't heard anything yet. I know

1251
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 8: that they ran out of suckers this spring or I

1252
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 8: should say late winter.

1253
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, northern Bate, Yes, yes, exactly right.

1254
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 8: And two, you know, when we're talking about bait, once

1255
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 8: a water temperatures start to warm up a little bit,

1256
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 8: we get so hung up on crappy minnows that many

1257
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 8: many times, it would be your small fat heads can

1258
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 8: be extremely productive, and many times too, even your larger fatheads.

1259
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 2: Well, crappy metals are just a fathead in an early stage,

1260
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,799
Speaker 2: I believe, yeah.

1261
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 8: And I think we get you know, we get so

1262
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 8: on like we're almost like we're brainwashed. Crappie mintos, crappie mintos,

1263
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 8: crappie mentals, and you can have some even some real

1264
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 8: small shiners, so you can find them can also be

1265
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 8: extremely productive. So we need to change it up a

1266
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 8: little bit. If you just look at the mult of

1267
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 8: a crappie, it can really inhale a bigger beat.

1268
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 9: Boy.

1269
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 2: That's true, isn't it, Especially the big ones that I

1270
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 2: tend to swing over the boat and I get scared,

1271
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 2: I get chastised.

1272
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 8: For it by who.

1273
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 2: By my son Jesus, don't do that, I mean, not them.

1274
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 8: But you're right, you know, fish, You've got some big

1275
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 8: fish if you want to keep them on. Netting is

1276
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 8: really a way to go.

1277
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1278
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 4: Is there a fish that you think back on that

1279
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 4: you know, maybe you lost at the net or maybe

1280
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 4: came off that that you just I'll eat lay in

1281
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 4: bed you're like, ah, I still can't believe I missed

1282
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 4: that one.

1283
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 3: Is there one? Is there one movie out there that

1284
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 3: is in your mind?

1285
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 8: I never had that question asked. I'm sure there's probably

1286
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 8: quite a few of them. I know up in Canada.

1287
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 8: I didn't miss a big why on time? But nothing

1288
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 8: were because I'm usually pretty active using nets and so forth.

1289
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 8: I'm glad you brought that up, Bob, though I didn't

1290
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 8: miss some fish. I had a writer out in, a

1291
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 8: photographer out and he was an avid fisherman, and he

1292
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 8: took the net, hit the hoop of the net, hit

1293
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 8: the fish. Oh yeah, you know, and that was our

1294
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 8: photo fish. Well, so that I do remember, bomb, But I.

1295
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 2: Had one getting before a tournament and I was on

1296
01:12:55,200 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 2: Lake Midawaska and I caught this giant small mouth and

1297
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 2: without even thinking, I hurried to get it off the

1298
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,719
Speaker 2: net or off the hook and back in the water.

1299
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 3: And I thought, that's stupid. That was probably a record.

1300
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 3: It was that big.

1301
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 4: Oh wow, So was it during a tournament and it

1302
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 4: was before you caught it and wanted to get it

1303
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 4: back in the pre fishing?

1304
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think it was a state record. I don't know.

1305
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:28,959
Speaker 3: Smaller small huh.

1306
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 2: It was giant and no photo, no nothing, just put

1307
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 2: her back in water.

1308
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 3: Really, I fished like crazy for that thing in that

1309
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 3: area and I never caught it again.

1310
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 8: Anyway, I guess that does ring a bell with me too.

1311
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 8: I was fishing a small mouth down the river, and

1312
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 8: I also think it was I had a big record

1313
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 8: and I missed that fish. So I'm sure there's plenty

1314
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 8: of them out there.

1315
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 9: I'm sure.

1316
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 3: What do you what do you mean you missed that fish?

1317
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 8: Tell us about it by not having the net rate.

1318
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 4: And it just pulled you off at the boat out

1319
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 4: side of the boat.

1320
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it just came off.

1321
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: Yes, And Terry, when you're fishing a load, at least,

1322
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 2: when I'm fishing a load and I've got a fish

1323
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 2: coming that I want a net, man, it's busy time in.

1324
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 3: There for a guy. I could use about two or

1325
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 3: three more arms.

1326
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 8: Well, there's no question about that. That's why it's so

1327
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 8: important to you, you know. First of all is you know,

1328
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 8: don't get too excited that if you can hang on

1329
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 8: to your patience and the other thing too. I always

1330
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 8: have the net ready to go out, so I can

1331
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 8: just reach for the handle and then the biggest factor

1332
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,719
Speaker 8: there too is I think so often we see people

1333
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 8: take you that nit and dispatching it in the water,

1334
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 8: waiting for that fish to come to it, even if

1335
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 8: you're alone. But many times if you're alone, you don't

1336
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 8: do that, or you don't want to do that. But

1337
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 8: if you start to wave that net and try to

1338
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 8: spatch it the while you're already spooking that fish. And

1339
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 8: then with the fish coming in once it gets very

1340
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 8: close to the boat, always net head first. If you

1341
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 8: hook it or net it on the tail end of

1342
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 8: that fish, then it's most like it's going to come

1343
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 8: out of that net.

1344
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 2: And especially if it's a big enough fish, and it's

1345
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 2: if I don't have enough of strength in my arm

1346
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 2: to live that's a big fish, captain, I know it's

1347
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 2: and to try it. If it makes a run and

1348
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 2: it's going to take line, then I'm really taking just

1349
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 2: messed up.

1350
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, it is, you know, when you're alone like that,

1351
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 8: it is hard. But if I think as far as

1352
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 8: pooking the fish is a little bit easier if you're

1353
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 8: alone because you don't have the other partner, you know,

1354
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 8: splashing the net in the water, waving the net, but

1355
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 8: that will spook those fish. But if it's going to run,

1356
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 8: always let it run. And then to just what you

1357
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 8: want to do is hold your net at a forty

1358
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 8: five degree along the fish and always head first, and

1359
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 8: if it wants to run, I'll let it run and

1360
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 8: then bring it back in and then net it.

1361
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 3: Fish.

1362
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 2: Fisher in net came out of my hands because I

1363
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 2: would put it in the water already made, anticipating it

1364
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 2: doing that. Tuck line, drop net, lost net, lost fish.

1365
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 8: Well, all kinds that. There's always you know, some issues

1366
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 8: that's happened, I say, and two, I think everything. Two

1367
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 8: would nets. If anybody's looking for a net, always get

1368
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 8: one that's got a long handle. I use the telescopic

1369
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 8: handle nets. And then two if you want to have

1370
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 8: you know enough, shall we say, positioning that you can

1371
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,719
Speaker 8: get that net underneath the fish, not that short net.

1372
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 8: And then to get a deep net and a good hoopsize,

1373
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 8: not a tiny, little cheap net, because that's going to

1374
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 8: cost you fish.

1375
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 4: Yes, it will you tackle. You said that there was

1376
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 4: a wall. I think you said a lake of the

1377
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 4: woods in your memory. How big was that fish?

1378
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 8: Well, I didn't lose that fish, but it was thirty

1379
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 8: one and a half inchish. Wow, it was. It was

1380
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:04,759
Speaker 8: a nice walleye.

1381
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 3: That's a big wall. Is that your personal best?

1382
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 8: Yes, it is, yep, that's my personal best. Thirty one

1383
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 8: and a half in just was the biggest fish, you know.

1384
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 8: But you know, I think give you fish a lot,

1385
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 8: you know, like you guys you're you know, there's a

1386
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 8: good chance that you get a good sized fish in

1387
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 8: any species that you're fishing for if you just stay

1388
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 8: at it. Not every day you're not going to get

1389
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 8: a big fish, but many times you can, you know,

1390
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 8: like spaw them out, or a largemouth or some fish

1391
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 8: or crappies, you know, whatever it may be.

1392
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 2: I kind of I had a big walleye on Terry

1393
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 2: and it turned out it was thirty one and a half.

1394
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 2: But there are a couple other guys that were going

1395
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 2: by and they just stopped and started to drink coffee

1396
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 2: as I fought this fish around the boat, chasing it

1397
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 2: around the boat, and I eventually got it in and

1398
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 2: they hollered at me.

1399
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 3: How big is that fish? And I said, I have

1400
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 3: no idea. I've never caught anything like this. Were they

1401
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 3: filming you? No? I went into the dock.

1402
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 2: I was just outside the cap and went into the dock,

1403
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 2: got a tape, measure, measured it, put it back in

1404
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 2: the leg and it swam away.

1405
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 4: I think you maybe sent me photos of that during

1406
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 4: the middle of the work day.

1407
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 3: I can't wish you were here.

1408
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 8: When you're talking about that too. You know, I think

1409
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 8: the biggest walleye and I never you know, we so

1410
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 8: on for say, you know, it's the length to the fish,

1411
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 8: it's the growth to the fish. And ice to son

1412
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 8: was with me and we were ice to sham black

1413
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 8: in fact, and I caught a twelve pound walleye and

1414
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 8: we measured it and it was like twenty nine inches

1415
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 8: or twenty seven inches. But then we spoke to some

1416
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 8: I was a taxidermist at that time, and he said,

1417
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 8: you know, he said, there's so much emphas on that

1418
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 8: length to the wall is always a girth that really

1419
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 8: needs to be considered. And that was right and there too.

1420
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 8: If it wouldn't have been for him, I would never

1421
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 8: ever got it in the house.

1422
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 2: No. I talked to a gentleman last night who his grandson.

1423
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 2: They were fishing a five inch hole and they had

1424
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,440
Speaker 2: caught some small mouth and one small mouth. His grandson

1425
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 2: couldn't get through the hole. And that was just a

1426
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 2: few weeks ago. But that dad had to reach down

1427
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 2: and grab it by the mouth and then take it

1428
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 2: like a cork through the through the hole to get

1429
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 2: it out.

1430
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 8: That's when I was some too with that walleye too.

1431
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 8: He got underneath to go either way. That would have

1432
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 8: never got it in a lowe.

1433
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1434
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 8: And then and then we were fishing two wines, and

1435
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 8: then immediately we started to bring that fish up down

1436
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 8: one it was a dead stick down one the other

1437
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 8: and I was under big walleye, but we could only

1438
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 8: take one at a time. It was you know, you

1439
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 8: know when you get a big walle like that, you

1440
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 8: almost you know, you just sit back and think and

1441
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 8: say wow. And you know, the fishing enthusiasm was sort

1442
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 8: of gonel ready. But we made the day.

1443
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that's one of the fun things about fishing,

1444
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 2: in my opinion, Terry, is that the stories live on

1445
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 2: and on and on and they get enjoyed over and

1446
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 2: over again.

1447
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 8: You're exactly right. I think so often we sort of

1448
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 8: forget about that, you know, what the experiences. When you're

1449
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 8: talking about experiences too, there's nothing wrong. We're watching mother

1450
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 8: nature on our lake I do that many may time,

1451
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 8: watching ducks or geese, or maybe you've seen a deer

1452
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 8: taking a drink along the shoreline or whatever. That's really

1453
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 8: part of fishing, Mother nature.

1454
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 3: It really is, Terry.

1455
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 2: I thank you for joining us this morning, buddy, and

1456
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 2: I hope you have a wonderful weekend and a great

1457
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 2: Sunday too.

1458
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 8: Well, thank you, guys, say caring happy easier to all

1459
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 8: of our listeners.

1460
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 2: That's tackle Terry every other week, he joins us on

1461
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 2: Fan Outdoors. We'll take a pause, be back with one

1462
01:20:55,200 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 2: more segment after this. Well, last segment fell out doors

1463
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 2: this morning, drading from year to ear cap and it

1464
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 2: looks it looks really hazy out yet fog on the

1465
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 2: distance of fog.

1466
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we were.

1467
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 2: You ever fished on a body of water and had

1468
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 2: the fog roll into the lake where you can't see

1469
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 2: the other any shore I had.

1470
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 4: You know, what comes to mind was I was a

1471
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 4: pheasant hunting in South Dakota when the fog rolled in,

1472
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 4: and you know, I wouldn't be able to see my

1473
01:21:56,439 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 4: dogs other than on the the GPS. And that was

1474
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 4: actually two years ago, the final day of the Minnesota season.

1475
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 4: Fog rolled in and anytime that's happened, it's been absolutely

1476
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:16,640
Speaker 4: fabulous bird hunting. For whatever reason, that fog, how do

1477
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 4: you see the bird makes the birds hunk. Well, you

1478
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 4: can't see until you get, like, I don't know, twenty

1479
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:27,759
Speaker 4: thirty feet from your dog on point. And the birds,

1480
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, don't run in the fog. They just

1481
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 4: hunkered down so they hold for a point. And it

1482
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 4: was it was incredible. It was one of the most memorable. Well,

1483
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 4: both instances. The South Dakota hunt was probably ten years

1484
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 4: ago and the Minnesota pheasant hunt that I'm thinking about

1485
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 4: was the final day of the season two seasons ago

1486
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 4: where we hadn't gotten any snow, but it was the

1487
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 4: ground was frozen, but it was relatively warm day and

1488
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 4: it just it was thick, thick fog and I was

1489
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 4: hunting public lands with two other guys and it was

1490
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:13,600
Speaker 4: as memorable of a hunt as I can recall.

1491
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 2: I have been on fag in fog on the lake. Yeah,

1492
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 2: and if it wouldn't have been for GPS. And one

1493
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 2: time before GPS, I was on Minnetonka and I was

1494
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 2: coming from Excelsior. I was aiming for the Arcola Bridge

1495
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 2: to go under the bridge.

1496
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right. I ended up on the.

1497
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 2: On one side of Big Island, which is not the

1498
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 2: right place to be.

1499
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:46,919
Speaker 3: I was lost. I just I knew where I Once.

1500
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 2: I got to the bank of the island, I recognized

1501
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 2: Big Island, I recognized where I was, and I was

1502
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 2: just stymied for about ten I just stopped and fishing

1503
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 2: a bit right there. And did they bite in the fire? No,

1504
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 2: they didn't. I don't think I fished real hard. I

1505
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 2: was so distraught that I couldn't find where I wanted

1506
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 2: to go. And then I'm thinking.

1507
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 3: We had another time. We're going down the river.

1508
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 2: Eric and I were and all We're going down and

1509
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 2: I don't know if I didn't have a GPS, but

1510
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 2: we were on a straight line and we were going

1511
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 2: down quite carefully and slowly. All of a sudden, a

1512
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 2: boat came from my left by right right over our bow,

1513
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 2: and it scared the heck out of me. And then

1514
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 2: about twenty seconds later it came back from the left.

1515
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:47,759
Speaker 2: The same boat came back and almost took us out again.

1516
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 2: It turned out the idiot and I'm not going to

1517
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 2: use his name because I know you know who what

1518
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 2: I do. Wow, he had a handheld GPS, holding it,

1519
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 2: he turned his hand. He was trying to follow the

1520
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 2: track that he had laid. He wasn't anywhere clo. I

1521
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 2: said to Eric, we're going to the bank. I know

1522
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 2: it's rip rap, and I know it's right over here,

1523
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 2: and we're fishing there close to shore.

1524
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 3: It was just disgusting. Could have killed us.

1525
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:25,879
Speaker 2: He also crashed a boat up on Vermilion, took bottom

1526
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 2: off his boat. But he was pretty wild anyway. It Yeah,

1527
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 2: but if it wasn't, it wasn't me.

1528
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 4: Just for anybody out there wandering her captives laying some

1529
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 4: cookie crumbs, but it wasn't me.

1530
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 2: No, No, it wasn't, But it is. It's very disturbing

1531
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 2: to get lost, either in a prairie field, frieled in

1532
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 2: the fog, or on the water.

1533
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1534
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 2: And one time I got lost out by where the

1535
01:25:56,240 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 2: TV tower used to be. I couldn't find the tower.

1536
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 2: I was trying to set west of the tower. Yeah, yeah, okay,

1537
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 2: I just knew that if I kept walking i'd find

1538
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 2: a road. But then I got to a point that

1539
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 2: lifted enough I could see the tower. The other time

1540
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 2: I used that as my anchor point.

1541
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 3: They took the tower down that's a little like using

1542
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 3: the tree. Yeah, for uh.

1543
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 2: To line up, you're a spot and they cut the

1544
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 2: trade to dead on Brown's Bay.

1545
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 3: Or the a frame on sag.

1546
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 2: Yes or the little blue house lined up with a

1547
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 2: little blue house and the A frame and then the

1548
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 2: access and something else. Yeah, they move something. They took

1549
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 2: a house down or something like that.

1550
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:51,719
Speaker 3: Everyone, I can't find my spot. I couldn't. I couldn't.

1551
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:53,640
Speaker 3: That's happened more than one.

1552
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 2: But thank goodness now with the GPS. And I said

1553
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 2: to Andy Peterson when he was in, when you were

1554
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 2: gone one weekend and he and his family were in,

1555
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 2: it was really fun.

1556
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 3: But the whole family, Oh really, it was really cool.

1557
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 2: Anyway, I said to him, you know, spot Lock is

1558
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 2: that Minkota has is the greatest thing.

1559
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 3: And I love spot Lock. I don't care.

1560
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 2: I don't even own an anger, and so if there

1561
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 2: are a couple of them at the lake, but I

1562
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 2: don't own one, much to Bob chagrin, but they get

1563
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 2: my boat so dirty. And he just laughed.

1564
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 3: And it's it's true.

1565
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 4: I'll admit that this is the second time I've thought

1566
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 4: about anchors this morning, because I was thinking, when you

1567
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 4: have a big fish on and you're by yourself in

1568
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 4: the boat. You know, you guys talked about you know,

1569
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 4: you're fighting the fish with your on, you're grabbing the

1570
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 4: net with your other hand. What always gets me is

1571
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 4: trying to handle the trolling motor with my foot as

1572
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 4: I did and chewing gum at the same Like I

1573
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 4: can handle the fish with.

1574
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 3: And I can handle the net, but you throw the

1575
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 3: trolling motor in there and it's kaos So an anchor

1576
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 3: just settles everything down. No it doesn't. It just gets

1577
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 3: around the anchor open it's gone. No.

1578
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 2: No, you need to stand on your trolling motor a

1579
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 2: little bit so you can steer it instinctively, steer it.

1580
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 4: I can if I got one other thing going on.

1581
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 4: But if I got two other things going on, it's

1582
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 4: too much. I got too much that I can do.

1583
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:36,600
Speaker 4: That I can do.

1584
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 2: I've lived on a trolling I've lived on Menankota for

1585
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 2: a long long time. And yeah, no, you can do

1586
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 2: that pretty instinctively.

1587
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 4: Well, some people can, some people can't. When did trolling

1588
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 4: motors come to be a thing?

1589
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 3: As long as I have been fishing, and that's been.

1590
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 4: A long really time, I would have thought that it

1591
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 4: was like in the seventies or something in the eighties.

1592
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 2: I don't know when it was, but I had one

1593
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 2: of my first trolling motor. I can't remember what it was,

1594
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 2: but it was cable driven. So like in nineteen twenty, oh,

1595
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 2: I know I had a forty horse.

1596
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 3: You think for a second, you're like.

1597
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 2: I know I had a forty horse. I know it

1598
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 2: was a tiller, and I know that we couldn't steer

1599
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 2: it either, my partner had. We had to take turns

1600
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 2: sitting on the deck using your hand to use the

1601
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 2: pedal and the other guy would fish because we just

1602
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 2: couldn't do it.

1603
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:33,759
Speaker 3: I go around in circles.

1604
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:35,800
Speaker 2: I still go round in circles trying to use the

1605
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 2: handheld for my Menkota and Eric.

1606
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 3: Says, don't you know how to use the foot pedal?

1607
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 3: Use the foot pedal? Oh goodness.

1608
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of funny things happen in the boat, but

1609
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 2: it's all good and it's all fun, and I'm really

1610
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 2: looking forward to every one of them.

1611
01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 3: Hey, thank you for joining us.

1612
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 2: The music is playing, and I got to say thank

1613
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 2: you to Tom, mister Tom Whitehead for joining us and

1614
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 2: telling us some good stuff about maple syruping Stan tequila.

1615
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 2: What do you say about Stan, He's always cool. Naturesmart

1616
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 2: dot com. You can get to the camera and see

1617
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 2: the owls and the flying squirrels. Oh I forgot my

1618
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 2: flying squirrel question? Dog on it ant nacle Terry, thank

1619
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 2: you for allowing us to travel with you this morning.

1620
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 2: Keep it right here in the zone. Is next for

1621
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 2: Bob Saint Pierre. For our executive producer, mister Blake Blow

1622
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 2: Brett Blakemore. I am Billy Hildebrand, wishing you a great

1623
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:39,759
Speaker 2: weekend and a happy Easter.

1624
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,560
Speaker 3: Until next Saturday. Tata