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Speaker 1: Hey, dragon, it's quarter to six mountain time, Tuesday morning,

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Speaker 1: and I still can't leave a talkback. How long before

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Speaker 1: you get that talkback system up and running again for you?

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Speaker 2: It's never gonna be back.

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Speaker 3: It's never going to be back. Yeah, sorry, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: thought we blocked that number from the text line. I

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, all right, Well, maybe maybe you reach

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Speaker 4: out to support it and next year we'll get an

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Speaker 4: answer about that. This is one of those stories that

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Speaker 4: I'm almost embarrassed to talk about because some of you

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Speaker 4: it and I forgot about it, because the story truly

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Speaker 4: originates in nineteen eighty two. But it's one of those

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Speaker 4: holy crap, this is just wrong, absolutely wrong. It all

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Speaker 4: started because doing show prep yesterday, one of the places

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Speaker 4: you know, for the to promote the nationally syndicated program

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Speaker 4: over on Freedom I oftentimes which I read anyway, but

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Speaker 4: in particular for the minutes, I'll go to complete colorado

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Speaker 4: just you know, I don't even think that I think

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Speaker 4: down below in the local news stories below their own

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Speaker 4: independent reporting is a story from the Colorado Freed Freedom

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Speaker 4: of Information Coalition. Now that's an organization that I'm.

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Speaker 4: They do great work, and they really work to make

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Speaker 4: Colorado government more transparent. There's a story day to October seventeen,

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Speaker 4: four days ago. Here's the first paragraph. A private judge,

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Speaker 4: a private judge has granted a request from the Colonial

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Speaker 4: in which a suppression order makes the entire court file

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Speaker 4: what do you mean a private judge? This is you say?

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Speaker 4: This is a divorce case. So now you know, as

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Speaker 4: divorce case where the parties agreed? Maybe there was a

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Speaker 4: opposed to going to district court for their divorce. So

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Speaker 4: that's what I'm thinking. That's got to be what it

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Speaker 4: That's not my vernacular. The second paragraph former Denver District

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Speaker 4: a private judge. He's a former Denver District judge. He's

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Speaker 4: a member of something called the Judicial Arbiter Group. Now

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking, what's going on here? That guy? That judge

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Speaker 4: set in October twenty seven, next week a hearing to

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Speaker 4: consider the color Oatter Freedom of Information Coalition's motion to

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Speaker 4: open the case of Kaufman versus Kaufman quote with only

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Speaker 4: truly sensitive private non public information redacted there from. In

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Speaker 4: and President Steve Zandsberg quoted the nineteen ninety four Colorado

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Speaker 4: civil cases, including those involving domestic relations, the public is

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Speaker 4: So I want to know does this system exist, and

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Speaker 4: doing some research. Now here's why I feel stupid about this. Now,

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Speaker 4: minutia of the rules of civil procedure. But I obviously

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Speaker 4: if there's a case that I'm studying or reading, or

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Speaker 4: go check, you know whatever particular rules, like, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's not like I'm ignorant of the law. But I

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Speaker 4: my head. The answer is yes, Colorado operates a little

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Speaker 4: Rule of Civil Procedure one twenty two. That rule effectively

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Speaker 4: allows for a form of private courts within the state's

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Speaker 4: civil system. Now, I want to make clear from the outset.

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Speaker 4: nothing to do with criminal law. There is no private

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Speaker 4: that's actually worse than you think it is. I'm glad

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Speaker 4: we don't have it for criminal courts. That would be

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Speaker 4: obviously unethical, inappropriate, and I believe unconstitutional. But this civil system,

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Speaker 4: Equal Protection clause. The system is officially called appointment of

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Speaker 4: former judges as referees appointment of former judges as referees,

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Speaker 4: but in practice it functions as a parallel, quasi private

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Speaker 4: Most commonly this involves divorce or domestic relation cases. We know,

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Speaker 4: not subject to the same transparency rules as public civil proceedings. Now,

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Speaker 4: a minimal. The litigants both parties pay the judge directly.

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Speaker 4: Colorado Politics reports that's typically around four hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: of open judicial records. In other words, you can go

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Speaker 4: use a private judge. The Colorado Freedom of coal has

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Speaker 4: They're trying to keep their divorce records private. Oh so,

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Speaker 4: falls out the Colorado Open Records Act disclosure requirements. Now,

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Speaker 4: these divorce records unsealed. But let's get to the point

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Speaker 4: of what kind of cases can be heard civil matters. Now,

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Speaker 4: primarily it's been wealthy divorce cases or other related kind

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Speaker 4: of financial disputes, but occasionally other domestic or civil disputes

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Speaker 4: But let's just say that Malone and iHeart are in

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Speaker 4: and we'll pay the private judge. That way that nosy

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Speaker 4: look at the file and see what the fight's about.

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Speaker 4: I find this utterly despicable. And I'll find despicable the

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Speaker 4: Since nineteen eighty two, I'll explain why.

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Speaker 1: Then, Michael, I feel you brother. As Jimmy Hendrick once

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Speaker 4: It's fascinating. Looks at the text messages. I think Dragon

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Speaker 3: It looks to be the way I am in the

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Speaker 2: That's fine, that's okay. I'm the weird one. I'm the

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Speaker 4: That's okay, I forget what I forget the name of

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Speaker 4: that type of argument. But what you're doing there is

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Speaker 3: Sure, when you leave for work every morning and you

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Speaker 1: Get it.

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Speaker 4: Shut up and listen to me. If it's red. Why

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Speaker 3: It's not like you go live on the air every

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Speaker 2: No, No, that's fine.

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Speaker 3: You go ahead and you punch in your map and

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Speaker 4: If you know what your problem is you dirt bag.

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Speaker 4: Your problem is that you know that we're right and

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Speaker 2: I'm the weird one. I totally understand. I get it.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, don't I don't even have a map function

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and seven Nissanics Terra. Do you have your player?

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Speaker 4: You have your phone, which I know is an iPhone.

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Speaker 2: I'm the weird one. Okay, yep, I'm I'm the crazy one.

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Speaker 4: It's okay you. I pray, Dear Lord Jesus, please let

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Speaker 3: There have been a number of times where the exit

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Speaker 2: I still made it to work on.

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Speaker 4: Time because you're driving, Because you're driving eighty miles an

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Speaker 2: You just leave with ample amount of time. It's fine.

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Speaker 3: It's no okay, yep, I'm the.

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Speaker 2: Weird way not I'm the minority here. It's okay. I'm

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Speaker 4: Oh no, oh, now now we're gonna start. We're gonna

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Speaker 4: I'm having to deal with everybody oup here. Why are

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Speaker 4: do you nobody cares about divorce cases? But what about

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Speaker 4: Judge Judy? What about Judge Judy? Amen, let me finish

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Speaker 3: They've got a little bit of a point, but it's

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Speaker 4: So let me let me let me first explain the

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Speaker 4: probably I don't know whether they get compensated for going

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Speaker 4: And now she thinks he's backcrabbed crazy and she wants

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Speaker 4: So let's go to the private judge and let's have

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Speaker 4: Quit focusing on the divorce. The scope of civil matters

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Speaker 4: legal separations, anulments, child custody, parenting, time, property divisions. Let's

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Speaker 4: contract dispute. I bet you'd be interested in that. Probate proceedings,

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Speaker 4: as far as I can tell, that might be involved

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Speaker 4: public interest. Personal injury, tort cases, negligence, defamation. Oh, let's

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Speaker 4: say that someone sues me for defamation. I convince the

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Speaker 4: You don't think that our heart wouldn't be interested to

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Speaker 4: Their non delinquency juvenile matters can be done under this,

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Speaker 4: including dependency and neglect. Okay, let's think about that there

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Speaker 4: this means that Rule one twenty two can cover nearly

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Speaker 4: This has been in place. The polit Bureau, the legislature

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Speaker 4: the judges to have a private matter and then have

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Speaker 4: those records sealed. So that you never know about it.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that's fair. I think that's a violation

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Speaker 4: of the Protection Clause. I think that's a violation of

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Speaker 4: the Due process Clause because part of our judicial system

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Speaker 4: is that it is open to everybody. We know that

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Speaker 4: everybody's treated the same. Well, apparently not here, because if

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Speaker 4: you can afford to go to the private judge, I can't.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's a violation of the Constitution. And

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Speaker 4: don't get hung up on the damn divorce cases, although

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Speaker 4: I think those are important too. Good morning gays, hostility

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Speaker 4: and old folks and using GPS to go to the bathroom.

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Speaker 2: That happens. Welcome the what we're in. Good day.

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Speaker 4: Rochelle asked Mike, I have a question. How much traffic

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Speaker 4: do you encounter on your way to work at five

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Speaker 4: A that requires you to look at GPS? True, it's

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Speaker 4: it's not the traffic. You know what they do on

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Speaker 4: four seventy and twenty five. They've got construction going on,

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Speaker 4: like at Lincoln in twenty five, which is the opposite

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Speaker 4: direction of which direction I'm going. But sometimes they will

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Speaker 4: just randomly decide to shut down the flyover that goes

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Speaker 4: from four to seventy to north Beck to the northbound

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Speaker 4: twenty five, and so that starts to back up traffic,

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Speaker 4: and I can see that and make a decision before

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Speaker 4: I get onto the on ramp. There's nothing more frustrating

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Speaker 4: than to get on the on ramp, because you can't

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Speaker 4: really I even do that. I even have this habit

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Speaker 4: of as I'm approaching a highway interchange and the traffic

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Speaker 4: is on an overpass, I look to see if the

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Speaker 4: traffic's moving before I decide to get on that on ramp.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything more frustrating than, you know,

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Speaker 4: getting up to speed on an on ramp and realizing that, Oh,

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Speaker 4: get a slam on my brakes because nobody's moving.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry, I'm the weird one.

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Speaker 4: Let's see that happened to me last Wednesday night, says

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Speaker 4: seventy eight twenty seven. I always take I seventy to

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Speaker 4: the twenty five to get home, and the seventy was

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Speaker 4: closed at the entrance I get on. If I checked GPS,

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Speaker 4: I would have gotten home fifteen minutes earlier than I did.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, fifteen minutes, you say.

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Speaker 4: Dragon, When you're old as dirt, every minute counts.

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Speaker 3: Just like the talk back in the bathroom every second,

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Speaker 3: count three.

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Speaker 2: I need the GPS in the bathroom every.

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Speaker 4: Exactly when you when you get to be our age one,

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Speaker 4: you're lucky to be able to go, and two when

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Speaker 4: you can go, you don't want to miss that chance.

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Speaker 4: You don't want to miss the chance of going. So

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Speaker 4: back to this whole private court system. One, I was

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Speaker 4: surprised I didn't know about it because I just haven't

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Speaker 4: been paying attention to doubt that detail. But don't get

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Speaker 4: hung up on the divorce cases, even though I think

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Speaker 4: there is a very legitimate reason to know. In fact,

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Speaker 4: somebody pointed out on the text line that it was

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Speaker 4: when Obama ran for here thirty one ninety eight. You

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Speaker 4: might recall that Obama succeeded in obtaining and exposing similar

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Speaker 4: sealed divorce records of his Republican opponent in the race

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Speaker 4: for the Senate in two thousand and six in Illinois,

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Speaker 4: which made a difference. So don't just think because you

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Speaker 4: don't think that your divorce records are important, they probably

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Speaker 4: aren't any more than my mind would be important if

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Speaker 4: if I were getting divorced. So they're not, But in

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Speaker 4: some cases it is. It's just like text messages, you

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Speaker 4: don't think, which gets back to the whole early voting

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Speaker 4: and the Attorney General's race in Virginia. I think that guy,

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Speaker 4: look that guy, what was his name's Ray Ray Roy

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Speaker 4: or Roy Ray or Ray Ray Jones, whatever his name is,

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Speaker 4: it's running for the Attorney general in Virginia. Who actually,

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Speaker 4: even after being asked, hey, you don't really mean that, Yes,

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Speaker 4: I do mean that. What do I mean? I want

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Speaker 4: to kill my opponent's children until they suffer, they won't

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Speaker 4: really know the effects of their policies. That guy, if

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Speaker 4: he was applying for the job to be an assistant

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Speaker 4: Attorney General in the AG's office in Virginia, he couldn't

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Speaker 4: pass the background check because of that, Yet he's running

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Speaker 4: for age. Sometimes things that we think are private and

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Speaker 4: none of the public's business, when you cross that magic

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Speaker 4: line into the public domain, suddenly it does become the

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Speaker 4: public's business. Which is why I always ask people when

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Speaker 4: they come to me for advice about running for public office,

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Speaker 4: it's are you ready for the rectail examination? Because trust me,

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Speaker 4: you're going to have everything possibly that you can ever

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Speaker 4: imagine examined. And even though what they examine may say

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Speaker 4: one thing. They may report a different thing. I can

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Speaker 4: prove that to you right here, oh Michael Brown light

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Speaker 4: on his resume. No, he actually did not, And it's

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Speaker 4: over here, and here are all the affidavits proving that

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Speaker 4: I did not plus fulfilled background investigations by the FBI.

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Speaker 4: They lie anyway, The cabal lies regardless