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Speaker 1: Hour two Twin Cities News Talk Am eleven thirty and

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Speaker 1: one oh three five FM, John Justice and the Master

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Speaker 1: Control Booth Sam next Door. About twenty minutes from now,

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Speaker 1: Bill Watsh from American Experiment will be joining us in studio.

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Speaker 1: Really looking forward to picking his brain over Governor Tim

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Speaker 1: Walls dropping out of his bid for a historic third term.

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Speaker 1: As I look at the headline right now on Fox News,

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Speaker 1: a lot of responses coming from the left. I want

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Speaker 1: to share with you some of the thoughts here, Senator

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Speaker 1: Amy Klobishar said yesterday, and so many of these actors

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Speaker 1: if he's resigned.

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Speaker 2: Governor Walls made the.

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Speaker 1: Difficult decision to focus on his job and the challenges

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Speaker 1: facing our state rather than campaigning and running for reelection.

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Speaker 1: He has always did a cad his career to delivering

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Speaker 1: for Minnesota, from providing school breakfast and lunches to our kids,

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Speaker 1: to passing gun safety legislation to maintaining our state's triple

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Speaker 1: A bond raiding. Are any of those things actually still

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Speaker 1: real and relevant? I don't think so, Lieutenant Governor Peggy

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Speaker 1: flan again said. Since his time as a teacher, Governor

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Speaker 1: Walls has led with decency and compassion. Today's decision reflects

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Speaker 1: who he has always been, someone who puts Minnesota first. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: all right. I'll get to more of these coming up

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Speaker 1: in just a moment. But as I run through these,

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Speaker 1: I want to give you the opportunity to leave your comments,

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Speaker 1: and I want to share a bit of the not

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Speaker 1: press conference that was held yesterday. A press conference you

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Speaker 1: actually go and take questions. Governor Tim Wallash just came out,

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Speaker 1: read what he had already released to the press regarding

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Speaker 1: his dropping out, and then quickly ran away before taking

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Speaker 1: any questions from reporters. That's not a press conference. Not happy,

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to do this. That is abundantly clear. He

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Speaker 1: was flying through his statements yesterday. Let's get to a

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Speaker 1: few of a few of Governor Tim mawlls and his

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Speaker 1: thoughts yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Which brings me to this.

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty six is an election year. Election years have

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Speaker 3: a way of ramping up the politics at a time

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Speaker 3: when we simply can't afford more of that Minnesota. In September,

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Speaker 3: I announced that I would seek a historic third term

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Speaker 3: as Minnesota's governor, and I have every confidence that if

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Speaker 3: I gave it my all, we would win the race.

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Speaker 3: But as I reflect on this moment with my family

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Speaker 3: and my team over the holidays, I came to the

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Speaker 3: conclusion that I can't give a political campaign my all.

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Speaker 3: Every minute that I spend defending my own political interest

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Speaker 3: would be a minute I can't spend defending the people

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Speaker 3: of Minnesota against the criminals who pray on our generosity

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Speaker 3: and the cynics who want to prey on our differences.

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Speaker 3: So I've decided to step out of this race and

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Speaker 3: I'll let others worry about the election while I focus

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Speaker 3: on the work that's in front of me for the

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Speaker 3: next year.

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Speaker 2: So what's his expectation?

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Speaker 4: Then?

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Speaker 1: On first blush hearing the comments, I was kind of

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Speaker 1: scratching my head, going, this doesn't make any rational sense.

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Speaker 2: You're already governor of Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: To run a reelection campaign essentially just means you continue

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Speaker 1: doing your job. You may have to do a little

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Speaker 1: bit more, you may have to travel around the state

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Speaker 1: and talk to more people, but it's still just doing

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Speaker 1: your job. It's not like Walls as the first person

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Speaker 1: to run for reelection as governor. But when you factor

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Speaker 1: in the comments of having to defend myself, then certainly

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Speaker 1: there appears to be this expectation that he is going

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Speaker 1: And this goes back to the fraud and what I

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Speaker 1: think Governor Tim Walls knows what most of us are assuming,

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Speaker 1: and that is we've seen the exposed fraud. More fraud

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Speaker 1: is going to be exposed, and there's going to be

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Speaker 1: even more fraud occurring, especially when we get further down

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Speaker 1: the line relating to paid family medical leave. And a

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Speaker 1: lot of people haven't been talking about this, but the

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Speaker 1: mere fact that Walls brings it up at every single

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Speaker 1: opportunity to talk about his accomplishments the free school meals program,

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Speaker 1: I'm convinced that's going to be a big one if

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Speaker 1: and when an audit ends up taking place of that

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Speaker 1: particular program. Let's get to a few of your thoughts

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Speaker 1: before we get back to more audio from yesterday's comments

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Speaker 1: from Governor Tim Walls.

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Speaker 5: Amy Klobuchar, the Senator of small Things. This is illustrated

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Speaker 5: in the fact that she's concerned with these little insignificant

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Speaker 5: things like hair. Donald Trump's hair standing up in a snowstorm.

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Speaker 5: How about this, Amy, His hair stood up pretty darn good.

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Speaker 5: Under the assault of an assassin's bullet.

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Speaker 6: Good morning and happy New Year's So glad you're back, John.

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Speaker 6: I want to give kudos to whoever put together that

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Speaker 6: montage of Amy Kolbusch are with her quaver little snowwoman comments.

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Speaker 6: That was brilliant, especially the last parts of it.

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Speaker 4: Brilliant. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's been around for a while, that one goes back,

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Speaker 1: that one goes back several years, but thank you for

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Speaker 1: the comments. This morning from the iHeartRadio app heres a

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Speaker 1: little bit more of Governor Tim Walls from yesterday.

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Speaker 3: We've got conspiracy theorists, right wing YouTubers breaking into our daycares,

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Speaker 3: demanding access to our children.

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Speaker 1: That's a straight up lie. Nick Sureley didn't break into

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Speaker 1: any daycares. Liz Colin and Jenna Globe didn't break into

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Speaker 1: any daycares, so unnecessary. It's moments like that, and there's

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Speaker 1: But it's moments like that that really do reveal how

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Speaker 1: when we talk about if he's talking, he's more than

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Speaker 1: likely lying. That's the example. There's no need to lie

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Speaker 1: about that. There's plenty of other controversy that the left

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Speaker 1: has gone and pointed to regarding the videos of individuals

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Speaker 1: going to these daycare centers, citizen journalism. There's no need

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Speaker 1: to go and perpetuate just straight up blatant lies like

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Speaker 1: he just did, unless you're just so accustomed to lying

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Speaker 1: it's second nature to you. And that's the case when

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Speaker 3: We've got the President of the United States demonizing our

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Speaker 3: Somali neighbors and wrongfully confiscating funds that Minnesotans rely on. Again,

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Speaker 3: it's disgusting and it's dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Tim Walls is so full of it. He's

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Speaker 2: saying he can't do two things at once.

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Speaker 4: He can't even do one thing at once.

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Speaker 2: Look at the fraud. He's such a joke.

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Speaker 5: Every good day.

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Speaker 7: Hy Bob from Lake Kelmo, Happy New Year. Just listening

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Speaker 7: to Tim Walls again. Caught at this time, he said,

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Speaker 7: every minute I pursue my own political interests.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 7: Pursuing my own political interest would be a distraction to

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Speaker 7: the state of Minnesota. Very revealing. It's all about Tim's

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Speaker 1: Minnesota DFL chair Richard Carlbaum, who I really need to

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Speaker 1: spend more time reading his posts on air.

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Speaker 2: He is really, really bad at his job.

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Speaker 1: He is the hackiest of hacks, he said in part

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Speaker 1: true to form, Tim Walls is choosing to spend the

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Speaker 1: remainder of his term focused on governing, improving lives, and

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Speaker 1: standing up for Minnesota. But according to Walls, he's not

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Speaker 1: going to be able to run for reelection because he's

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Speaker 1: going to have to spend time defending himself. So how

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Speaker 1: of those things if, according to him, the whole reason

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Speaker 1: why he's dropping out is because he has to go

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Speaker 3: I don't want to mince words here. Donald Trump and

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Speaker 3: his allies in Washington and in Saint Paul and online

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Speaker 3: want to make our state a colder, meaner place. They

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Speaker 3: want to poison our people against each other by attacking

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Speaker 3: our neighbors, and ultimately they want to take away much

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Speaker 3: of what makes Minnesota the best place in the country

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Speaker 3: to raise a family. They've already begun trying to withhold

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Speaker 3: funds that were meant to help families support childcare, and

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Speaker 3: they have no intention of stopping there. Make no mistake,

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Speaker 3: we should be concerned about fraud in our state government.

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Speaker 3: We cannot effectively deliver programs and services if we can't

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Speaker 3: earn the public's trust.

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Speaker 1: So I'm curious to know what your thought is. What

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Speaker 1: do you think the real reason was that Walls ended

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Speaker 1: up dropping out?

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Speaker 2: Is it a combination of a lot of different factors.

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Speaker 2: Is it really what he's.

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Speaker 1: Saying because the expectation that he has is that he's

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Speaker 1: going to have to spend time defending himself from possible litigation.

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Speaker 2: I'm really curious to get you or to get your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Leave us a talk back from the iHeartRadio app on

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Speaker 1: what you think the real reason is that Walls ended

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Speaker 1: up dropping out of this race.

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Speaker 2: I'll share with you.

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Speaker 1: Also coming up along with your comments, more reaction from

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Speaker 1: prominent to Democrats and Republicans here in Minnesota before we

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Speaker 1: have Bill Walls from American Experiment in American Experiment dot

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Speaker 1: org joining us in studio here on Twin City's News

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Speaker 1: Talk Am eleven thirty and one oh three five FM.

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Speaker 4: I never ran to get this job. I ran to

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Speaker 4: do the job.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to mince words here.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump and his allies in Washington and in Saint

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Speaker 3: Paul and online want to make our state a colder,

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Speaker 3: meaner place. They want to poison our people against each other.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump and his allies in Washington and in Saint

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Speaker 3: Paul and online want to make our state a colder,

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Speaker 3: meaner place. The governor's being mean, and the governor's speaking

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Speaker 3: out on that, Well, maybe it's time for us to

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's time for us to be a little more mean.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday, at the end of his non press conference, because

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Speaker 1: and then he scurried away rather quickly, leading to a

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Speaker 3: I'm proud of the way we treat our neighbors. I'm

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Speaker 3: proud of the way that we welcome people to this state.

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Speaker 3: I'm proud of the way that we innovate, and I'm

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Speaker 3: proud of the way that we are optimists for the future.

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Speaker 3: No one's taking this away from us, not the fraudsters,

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Speaker 3: certainly not this president. Not on my watch.

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Speaker 4: Tomorrow, I'll be back with you.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you an update on America's best paid family

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Speaker 3: medical lead program that is now a week into it,

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Speaker 3: and at that time, I'll take all your questions. Thank

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Speaker 3: you all, appreciate it, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Wows Yeah, you could hear.

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Speaker 2: You could hear. The media was like, what in the

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Speaker 2: what is going on? I thought we were going to

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Speaker 2: be able to ask questions why and why.

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Speaker 1: My take on that is he did not want to

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Speaker 1: hold that press conference yesterday. He knew he had to.

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Speaker 1: He's being forced out, he doesn't want to leave, he

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Speaker 1: has no choice. Most people didn't think this was going

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Speaker 1: to happen. Most people assumed and listen, you would have

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Speaker 1: been right to assume that that Governor Tim Walls was

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Speaker 1: going to continue to run and put forward a formidable

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Speaker 1: challenge to whoever the Republican candidate is. But clearly there

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Speaker 1: is something in the calculus that changed. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think it was just viral videos. These conversations were happening

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Speaker 1: long before Christmas arrived. They've been talking about this. It

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Speaker 1: was going to happen regardless. It may have expedited the process,

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Speaker 1: but I had fully expected, based off of the news

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Speaker 1: once we got to yesterday and everybody was getting back to.

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Speaker 2: Work, and it's clear this morning.

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Speaker 1: I've got so many comments from individuals who are just

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Speaker 1: now rejoining the show. I assume a lot of people

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Speaker 8: I think Walls dropped out because he was losing funding.

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Speaker 9: And John regard Molza and dropping out, I think he's

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Speaker 8: The real reason he's quitting is so he can spend

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Speaker 1: Listen, that's a really great point. Certainly when you consider

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Speaker 1: Spent a lot of time last year outside of Minnesota,

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Speaker 10: Out is he talked to some of the big donors

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Speaker 11: Morning Dang, Yeah, Tim Wells is lying about Nick Sureley

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Speaker 11: breaking into daycares. But what makes my skin crawl most

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Speaker 12: Morning John. So Timmy Wall says he needs to drop

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Speaker 13: I believe Walls stepped out of the race because the

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Speaker 14: Good morning gen. I think he stepped down from running

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Speaker 11: Wall's dropped out to track down the fraudsters, just like OJ.

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Speaker 2: Out to get the killers. I can always respect a

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Speaker 1: I think ultimately Walls dropped out of the governor's race

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Speaker 2: Try harder not to suck.

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Speaker 1: Minnesota journey General Keith Ellison said that Tim banished hunger

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Speaker 1: It's been banished. He signed universal background checks into law

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Speaker 2: Boy again, they are so happy about paid family medical leaf.

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Speaker 1: US Senator Tina Smith said, in the face of an

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Speaker 1: his administration, the governor is once again doing the right thing.

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Speaker 1: DNC Committee Chairman Ken Martin haven't heard from him in

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Speaker 2: He's about the people. Come on, who you kidding?

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Speaker 1: Today's decision is entirely consistent with who Tim is. Ken

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Speaker 1: utterly ridiculous. Listen, I don't expect anything less when it

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Speaker 1: This is, of course what they're going to say Democrat

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Speaker 2: I mean, how can anybody with the straight face? I

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Speaker 1: Going through some of the commentary from a lot of

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Speaker 1: a historic third term run for governor. So to Speaker

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Speaker 1: if Democrats think they can sweep Minnesota's fraud is scandal

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Speaker 1: away by swapping out Tim Walls, they are wrong. We

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Speaker 1: Christin Robbins says anyone Walls ham pisterre run for governor

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Speaker 1: And one more gubernatorial candidate in Kendall Walls says it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter if the DFL props up Amy Cloviashar or

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Speaker 1: I'm going to spend the next eleven months contrasting a

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Speaker 1: that only a strong leader and political outsider can deliver

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Speaker 1: Bill wallsh from a center of the American Experiment Americanexperiment

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Speaker 1: morning Bill. Were you surprised when you first got win

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Speaker 4: Hold on one second, Yes, I was surprised. Turn the

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Speaker 15: I just was at coffee over the weekend with somebody

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Speaker 4: I said, no, he won't drop out. He'll hunker down.

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Speaker 15: Whether the storm you know, the money always comes in late,

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Speaker 15: he'll hunker down. He won't do this. His ego won't

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Speaker 15: I was very surprised that he did this.

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Speaker 1: So had I had said that it was a better

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Speaker 4: Then, well, I don't know. They're good at this.

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Speaker 15: I mean the other side is they're good at fixing

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Speaker 15: I mean, you've got candidates that are wounded. You know,

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Speaker 15: And something somebody must have decided donors maybe or Klobachar,

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Speaker 15: in September of our Minnesotans think that fraud said fraud

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Speaker 15: That's not Hey, he's doing a great job on fraud.

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Speaker 15: That's fraud will be a major factor in when I

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Speaker 4: So take him out his word. He's right.

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Speaker 15: He would have had to defend his record, which is

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Speaker 4: So he's probably thinking, I.

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Speaker 15: Can't run my normal campaign where I just spend money

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to me because he certainly, Governor Tim Walls

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Speaker 1: Apparently he's supposed to today, I guess, and I haven't

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Speaker 15: But he did say at the end of the press

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Speaker 1: idea that he's going to have to continue to defend

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Speaker 1: himself over and over again, which would you could extrapolate

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Speaker 1: and speculate that he is expecting to take a lot

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Speaker 1: of perhaps legal heat from what's been taking place. So

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Speaker 1: do you think there's something in the background here that

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Speaker 1: we're not seeing yet that he is expecting that he

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Speaker 1: expects to somehow get tied by the federal government, by

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Speaker 1: the Walls administration, to the fraud that's been exposed so far.

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen that.

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Speaker 15: I don't see evidence for him specifically being tied to it,

448
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Speaker 15: or him having a legal vulnerability. I mean, he's got

449
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Speaker 15: a leadership vulnerability. These agencies work for him, and he

450
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Speaker 15: hasn't changed the culture, and he hasn't fixed anything. He

451
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Speaker 15: said he fired people in the press conference yesterday too.

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Speaker 15: I don't know who he's fired. I'd be a question

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Speaker 15: I would ask today if I was at the press conference,

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Speaker 15: what did you fire exactly? I mean people have laughed

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Speaker 15: there's been changes in leadership, but I don't know who

456
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Speaker 15: he fired.

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Speaker 4: I think the bigger.

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Speaker 15: Question is the US Attorney's Office, Joe Thompson's work. Joe

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Speaker 15: Thompson described it as an iceberg. We've only seen the

460
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Speaker 15: tip of the iceberg, and he knows. He sees what

461
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Speaker 15: his team is working on in terms of the files

462
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Speaker 15: they have opened and what's going to come to prosecution

463
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Speaker 15: and indictment in the next twelve months. So I think

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Speaker 15: that's if you take Joe Thompson as where do I do?

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Speaker 15: I mean, he's no reason not to. There's a lot

466
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Speaker 15: more headlines, there's a lot more indictments and those things

467
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Speaker 15: that press conference at at the Attorney's Office is getting

468
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Speaker 15: The room's getting smaller and smaller because there's more and

469
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Speaker 15: more cameras in there every time he has a press conference.

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Speaker 15: They're gonna have to get a bigger room. So I

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Speaker 15: think that's probably the calculus. It's like this isn't going away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you look at and there's a piece by

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Speaker 1: from Bill Glohn, over an American experiment. He did some

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Speaker 1: further digging into the autism fraud and there's a new

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Speaker 1: you know, and I had that in the stack today

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Speaker 1: if I have time to go and get to it.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you on this and I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think that they're seeing what is coming down the

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Speaker 1: road in terms of further exposure of this fraud, that

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Speaker 1: potential they were going to avoid. Let me back up though,

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I would love to get your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on this. Talking with Bill Waalsh from Center the American Experiment.

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Speaker 1: None of this was sustainable, like you know, within DHS

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Speaker 1: when you look at the data relating to the autism centers,

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Speaker 1: the daycare centers, you look at the year over year trends,

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Speaker 1: the red flags that were raised by DHS employees.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Walls administration.

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Speaker 1: I mean, were they that naive to think that they

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Speaker 1: were going to continue to get away with this or

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Speaker 1: this was going to continue to happen in perpetuity? I mean,

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Speaker 1: what was the expectation here? I mean it seemed like

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Speaker 1: it was a ticking clock based off of the increase,

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Speaker 1: the dramatic increase in those funding requests from these social services.

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Speaker 1: So I try to get my mind, you know, into

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Speaker 1: the mindset of those within the Walls administration and Tim Wallson,

496
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Speaker 1: what was their expectation of what was going to happen

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Speaker 1: with all of this.

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Speaker 15: I've done the same exercise, and I've worked in two

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Speaker 15: different state agencies, and I'm just wonder when they have

500
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Speaker 15: the staff meeting and they report up and say, hey,

501
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Speaker 15: how's that housing assistance going?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's going great.

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Speaker 15: We were only expecting, you know, this much participation, and

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Speaker 15: we're ten times that. I mean, it's like a sales

505
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Speaker 15: meeting where they all hiveh five and say, yay, you know,

506
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Speaker 15: way to go.

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Speaker 4: You're killing it.

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Speaker 15: But it's like no one raised their hand and said, yeah,

509
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Speaker 15: but where are these people coming from. We predicted only

510
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Speaker 15: this much participation based on what we thought the landscape

511
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Speaker 15: would provide, and it's ten times that no one said that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm kind of with you. I wonder what

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Speaker 4: those agencies are doing.

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Speaker 15: One of the best questions that came up at the

515
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Speaker 15: last Joe Thompson press conference was Joe Thompson said, when

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Speaker 15: I look at the work my people are doing, we

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Speaker 15: look in the back end of the system. In other words,

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Speaker 15: the data all I see more red flags than I

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Speaker 15: see legitimate expenditures.

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Speaker 4: That's a powerful statement.

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Speaker 15: Way, wait, you see more red flags in the data,

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Speaker 15: then you see legitimate expenditures for the programs. And so

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Speaker 15: somebody asked, what don't don't the agency staff see the

524
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Speaker 15: same thing, right, and he just smiled and said, yeah,

525
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Speaker 15: I don't understand why they're not seeing what I'm seeing

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Speaker 15: and what my investigators scene. So yeah, eventually, again that's

527
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Speaker 15: why this is really systemic, and it's a good thing

528
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Speaker 15: that Tim wall said he's not running for a third term.

529
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Speaker 15: That's a that's a we should just we should just

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Speaker 15: take it because he's being held accountable. Your show, our

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Speaker 15: little think tank, you know, Nick Shirley, everybody participated, all

532
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Speaker 15: the media in the town, the accountability of the House

533
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Speaker 15: Fraud Reform Committee. Great work by by by Kristen Robbinson,

534
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Speaker 15: that committee, all of that pressure. He said, yeah, I

535
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Speaker 15: shouldn't run for a third term. That's good for Minnesota.

536
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Speaker 15: That new leadership is going to be better. But boy,

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Speaker 15: there's a lot of work to do in the next year,

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Speaker 15: and whoever takes over is going to have to have

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Speaker 15: an answer for how are you going to change the

540
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Speaker 15: culture in the state agencies that needs to be changed

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Speaker 15: and who's best to do that?

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the that's the quick answer to

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Speaker 1: the question. Is the culture part of it? I often,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you're on the outside looking in, it's

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Speaker 1: it's easy, right, It's it's easier to sit back and go,

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Speaker 1: how did you When you see the actual data placed

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Speaker 1: in front of you, It's easy to sit back and go,

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Speaker 1: how in the world did you miss all of this?

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Speaker 1: But when you begin to look at and every business

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Speaker 1: has a culture, the same thing rings true for the government.

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Speaker 1: And perhaps you know, we shouldn't be giving too much

552
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Speaker 1: credit in any of these circumstances when the reality is

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Speaker 1: it really just could be as simple as a mindset

554
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Speaker 1: and a you know, the complacency surrounding a lack of

555
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Speaker 1: interest in examining any of this stuff. I mean, when

556
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Speaker 1: you have testimony that took place during the Fraud Committee

557
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Speaker 1: hearing over the course of the past couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: where you have the evergot of the individual was within

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Speaker 1: the Walls administration saying that basically the attitude was a

560
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Speaker 1: trust but don't verify mentality. I mean you sit back

561
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Speaker 1: and go, well, yeah, of course this is going to happen.

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Speaker 1: If that's the way that you are is that the

563
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Speaker 1: way that you're governing, and that's the way that you're

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Speaker 1: approaching all of these programs in which they're taking in

565
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Speaker 1: these medicaid dollars.

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Speaker 15: Well, the Legislative Auditor Gy Randall in a hearing on

567
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Speaker 15: Feeding our Future Audits she did of the Minnesota Department

568
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Speaker 15: of Education, she said that she said, the problem is culture.

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Speaker 15: The culture in the agencies is essentially, we need to

570
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Speaker 15: help people with these programs. We need to give the

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Speaker 15: money away, get the money out in the community, help people.

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Speaker 15: Those are the types of people that get hired and

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Speaker 15: that's the culture from the top down, and that needs

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Speaker 15: to change.

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Speaker 4: And she said there's not enough people in that.

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Speaker 15: In the room, you know, an accountant, somebody in management,

577
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Speaker 15: somebody saying, hey, that looks like fraud or we got

578
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Speaker 15: to be careful of the taxpayers dollars years because these

579
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Speaker 15: are hard earned dollars that were redistributing to other people

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Speaker 15: in these programs.

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Speaker 4: That's been the culture. Now this is not new.

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Speaker 15: I mean, you can interview Tim Polente, you can you

583
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Speaker 15: need eight years as governor trying to change the culture

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Speaker 15: at the Department of Human services and didn't do it

585
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Speaker 15: and tried, you know, and different commissioners and different people

586
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Speaker 15: that work there, and then the DAT and administration, you know,

587
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Speaker 15: they they love this culture. They were caught several times

588
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Speaker 15: in the Date administration by the federal government saying, hey,

589
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Speaker 15: you misused federal funds. You shouldn't have given it to

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Speaker 15: those those groups, the tribes one of them, and it

591
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Speaker 15: was like twenty five million dollars they allocated to a

592
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Speaker 15: program through the tribes and they just wrote it off.

593
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Speaker 15: They said, well, sorry, we just ate that taxpayers ate

594
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Speaker 15: that instead of claw in the back or anything. Culture

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Speaker 15: and hasn't changed in a long time. The next governor

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Speaker 15: is going to have to change that culture.

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Speaker 1: Talking with Bill Walsh from a center of the American experiment,

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Speaker 1: I think the one of the and I hope that

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Speaker 1: it emerges and there's more and there's there's more conversation

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Speaker 1: on this. But I really do think that a lot

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Speaker 1: of what we're dealing with right now, and I know

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Speaker 1: what's been said, but I just want to re establish

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Speaker 1: is a lot of this is a direct byproduct of

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Speaker 1: the years that the DFL had the trifecta. I mean

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Speaker 1: a lot of this in my opinion. I'm curious to

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Speaker 1: get your thoughts that the fostering of this culture and

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Speaker 1: the amount of that complacency that we're discussing. It really

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Speaker 1: seems to me that those years that we had the

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Speaker 1: trifecta really did a lot of a lot of damage

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Speaker 1: and a lot of damage that we still haven't even

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Speaker 1: seen yet.

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Speaker 15: Well, sure, it's natural, Tubris. I mean, it's just you know,

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Speaker 15: where we've got control of everything, we're arrogant. There's not

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Speaker 15: enough accountability. There's not even an oversight hearing. You know,

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Speaker 15: the legislative function of oversight is gone. I mean, even

616
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Speaker 15: when you know you had one body in the House

617
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Speaker 15: or Senate run by the other party, you got some oversight.

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Speaker 15: You had some hearings where people like the childcare assistance

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Speaker 15: thing started because Republicans were in control of the Senate

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Speaker 15: and had oversight hearings. A House was Democrat at the time,

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Speaker 15: I think, and the governor was Dayton. But there's at

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Speaker 15: least an oversight function. But when you have a trifecta,

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Speaker 15: it's just like get out.

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Speaker 4: Of the way.

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Speaker 15: The agendas coming down the drain track and everybody vote

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Speaker 15: for it, and there's a lot of arrogance and Hubris,

627
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Speaker 15: and you know, we're in complete control and we're going

628
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Speaker 15: to put our vision of government in place.

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Speaker 1: So I want to talk Amy Klobashar because she seems

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Speaker 1: to be the biggest name at the top of the

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Speaker 1: list to possibly replace Governor Jim Walls as the nominee

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Speaker 1: this year. Before we do that, though, I just I

633
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Speaker 1: want to ask you about this. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: glee from Democrats over this paid Family Medical Leaf program.

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Speaker 1: It's really interesting to me. The clip yesterday or the

636
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Speaker 1: clip that was put out yesterday, we played it this

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Speaker 1: morning Hope Walls with Tim prior to his announcement. This

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Speaker 1: was obviously recorded, but you know Tim was going through

639
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Speaker 1: his list of you know, things that he tries to

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Speaker 1: take credit for, and they mentioned the paid family Medical

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Speaker 1: leave and there was this moment of joy and glee.

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Speaker 1: You see it in the commentary from the reaction of

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Speaker 1: individuals of Walls dropping out. You know, we've talked about

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Speaker 1: will continue to talk about what we all believe is

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Speaker 1: going to be a disaster in this paid Family Medical Leaf.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just curious to get your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: They are so incredibly proud of themselves over this program.

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Speaker 15: Why do you think that truly is well. They don't

649
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Speaker 15: have much else to hang their hat on. In seven years,

650
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Speaker 15: Governor Walls is a governor who values inputs and not outputs.

651
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Speaker 15: And if you look at his seven years in office

652
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Speaker 15: so far, on almost every important metric, the output has

653
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Speaker 15: been bad, you know, education, test scores, crime as energy

654
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Speaker 15: prices are up because of the renewal of energy standards

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Speaker 15: put in place. You just go down the list of

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Speaker 15: mental health of of our of our citizens. Every major

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Speaker 15: metrics going the wrong way. So if you look at it,

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Speaker 15: and if you can brag about inputs, it's easier. So

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Speaker 15: we're giving everybody a free lunch. Well, that's an input.

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Speaker 15: I mean, you certainly are doing that. You certainly allocated

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Speaker 15: the money. You know, you took it from some and

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Speaker 15: gave it to others. Congratulations, And you are giving everybody

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Speaker 15: a free lunch. But that's an input. It doesn't That

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Speaker 15: doesn't lowering test scores, that's the output, you know. And

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Speaker 15: paid family leave at the moment is still kind of

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Speaker 15: in that input stage. We passed paid family leave. We

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Speaker 15: have compassion, we have empathy for others. This is going

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Speaker 15: to be a great program. We're still in the input stage.

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Speaker 15: Of that plan, and in a year from now we

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Speaker 15: might not in a few months, we might not be

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Speaker 15: bragging about that because the enrollment numbers on the first day,

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Speaker 15: or the participation numbers are a little scary for the

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Speaker 15: for the for those in the back room doing the

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Speaker 15: actuarial and how many people are going to do this,

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Speaker 15: and they're really that's that's. Maybe it's a surge and

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Speaker 15: it'll slow down. But if if the participation rate gets

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Speaker 15: that high, then the fraud's going to be nuts.

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Speaker 4: And why small businesses are going to be.

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Speaker 1: Hurting, Well, I think I actually think it's going to

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Speaker 1: be even worse, unfortunately, and I get it. I've heard

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Speaker 1: from you know, friends of the show for lack of

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Speaker 1: you know, no one, no one in particular, but just

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Speaker 1: individuals that listen and listen to the show and enjoy

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Speaker 1: what they hear. They may not agree with me on everything,

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Speaker 1: but I've heard a lot of people coming from the

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Speaker 1: right saying, well, you know what, they're taking this money

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Speaker 1: from me, I might as well go ahead and take

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Speaker 1: advantage of it. I'm going to lose. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: lose this money. And on the one hand, I get it.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see anybody lying to get time off.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see strain being put on businesses.

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Speaker 1: But it has me concerned that if you've got conservatives

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Speaker 1: out there saying, hey, you know, I'm going to lose

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Speaker 1: hundreds of dollars, I might as well go ahead and

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Speaker 1: take time off and take advantage of this program. What

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Speaker 1: does that mean in terms of the growth of the program,

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Speaker 1: especially when you consider individuals that you know, may be

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Speaker 1: a little bit looser when it comes to, you know,

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Speaker 1: being able to put forward excuses and lies to go

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Speaker 1: and get this program. I'm genuine concerned about just how

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Speaker 1: quickly this whole thing is going to unravel and be

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Speaker 1: another burden and disaster upon Minnesota.

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Speaker 15: Well you should in a few months, maybe you should

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Speaker 15: have one of our economists for an American experiment back

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Speaker 15: on to talk about productivity. I mean, I think our

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Speaker 15: state wide productivity could go down there with the scenario

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Speaker 15: you described. Just tells me we're going to be, you know,

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Speaker 15: just slowing everything down. Will be less productive as a state,

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Speaker 15: which is not a good thing.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 15: And by the way, our gross and domestic product we

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Speaker 15: used to have a premium in that in the country.

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Speaker 15: We've lost that under Tim has another metric that has

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Speaker 15: gone the wrong direction, unimportant metric.

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Speaker 1: There's another conversation to be had, not today. I just

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Speaker 1: want to kind of plant the seed now. I was

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Speaker 1: listening to some fantastic commentary individual David Bonnson.

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Speaker 2: People may be familiar with him, you may not.

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Speaker 1: I've got a history with this individual going back to

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Speaker 1: my time in high school and when I was growing

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Speaker 1: up in southern California and whatnot. I heard he put

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Speaker 1: forward some commentary recently regarding how much we have done

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Speaker 1: minished the value of productivity and going out and getting

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Speaker 1: a job, and how right now you see the diminishing

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Speaker 1: number of men who are out there actually going out

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Speaker 1: and working. I think the biggest, like the biggest workforces

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Speaker 1: like is white middle aged women right now, that's the

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Speaker 1: biggest growth in workforce. And you see men that are

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Speaker 1: ditching work all together. And I just want to sort

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Speaker 1: of plant that seed for a moment because I think

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Speaker 1: it plays into this paid family medical leave and how

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Speaker 1: individuals are going to be taking advantage of it, and

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Speaker 1: how Democrats are going to be using this to continue

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Speaker 1: to perpetuate that type of mentality moving forward, which on

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Speaker 1: a much larger systemic l you know level country wide

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Speaker 1: is going to prove disastrous.

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Speaker 2: I just kind of wanted to go and plant that

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Speaker 2: seed a bit.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, we're we're headed towards you know, European

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Speaker 15: socialism instead of the other direction, which would be you know, prosperity.

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Speaker 15: You know, I mean we should be we should we

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Speaker 15: should have paid family leave because because companies are offering it,

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Speaker 15: because they're killing it the bottom line, and we're prosperous

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Speaker 15: and we're we're out selling our neighboring states and we're

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Speaker 15: we're attracting a business and uh and we have a

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Speaker 15: we have a positive gross domestic product as a state.

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Speaker 15: That's how we succeed, that's how we that's how we

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Speaker 15: win the competitive with the race with other states and

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Speaker 15: other countries in a world economy. But this idea, well,

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Speaker 15: we're just going to offer it from state government and

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Speaker 15: take it from taxes. And there you know, that's that's

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Speaker 15: not sustainable. It's not a sustainable model. And now now

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Speaker 15: that's not even talking about the fraud. That's the state

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Speaker 15: program works great and people are just saying, well, I'm

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Speaker 15: going to take advantage of it now. And now we're

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Speaker 15: all gonna have twelve weeks that we take off every

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Speaker 15: year because we can come up some reason this this

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Speaker 15: legislation is so broad, you know.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to a few comments from the iHeart radio

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Speaker 1: app here on Twin Cities News Talking Again, Bill Walsh

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Speaker 1: from American Experiment joins me in studio this morning.

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Speaker 16: The reason that Democrats are all hanging their hat on

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Speaker 16: the family medical leave thing is because it's the one

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Speaker 16: thing that doesn't have fraud yet, so they have to

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Speaker 16: run on that they want to maintain power.

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Speaker 1: Bill, I'm waiting for the audit on the on the

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Speaker 1: the the uh on the free school meals.

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Speaker 2: That's the one that's the one that I'm waiting on.

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Speaker 1: I'm still I feel I feel like that that is

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Speaker 1: just that is just sitting there, you know, with a

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Speaker 1: little red light going off that nobody has gone to

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Speaker 1: look at yet. I'm waiting to see what transpires with that.

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Speaker 1: With with that, I don't have any basis. I just

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Speaker 1: don't trust anything that's been put forward in the fact

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Speaker 1: that Walls has really, you know, hung his hat so

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Speaker 1: many times on this free meal program.

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Speaker 2: I'm just waiting to see an audit done on that.

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Speaker 14: Well.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 15: I mean, that's I wouldn't worry about an audit. It's

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Speaker 15: is pretty straightforward. I mean, how many kids you have?

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Speaker 15: Free lunch costs me. I don't think they've ever really

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Speaker 15: got the funding straight on that, and they're sort of

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Speaker 15: robbing the old free school lunch revenue from the federal

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Speaker 15: government and that I don't know if they've got that

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Speaker 15: all straightened out yet. But that's just an expenditure per kid.

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Speaker 15: The problem is it's just not necessary and a lot

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Speaker 15: of people are using it, and you hear of stories

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Speaker 15: of the just being thrown away and food being wasted

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Speaker 15: because high school kids are you know, they may or

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Speaker 15: may not eat that day.

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Speaker 2: So pay family medical leed is not necessary. For crying

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Speaker 2: out loud, I.

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Speaker 1: Know they put forward every argument, but you know what,

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Speaker 1: there are plenty of you know, plenty of ways that

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Speaker 1: people can go and take all of this, all of

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Speaker 1: this time off to the point that I was making

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Speaker 1: a moment ago, and you can hang out for a bit, right, Okay, cool, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk Amy klobashar just after the top of the hour.

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Speaker 2: But let's go. Let's go here to the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 17: I'm one of those conservatives where I'm going to take

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Speaker 17: every dime that I pay in out of this program back.

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Speaker 17: I'm going to be compliant and within the laws, but

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Speaker 17: you can bet I'm gonna do whatever it takes to

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Speaker 17: get that money that I did not vote for, that

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Speaker 17: they are taken by force from me, I'm going to

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Speaker 17: take it back.

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Speaker 2: It's infuriating. Yeah, well, it is absolutely infuriating.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, if you make one hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: a year, they're going to take about eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighty dollars from you.

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Speaker 15: I don't begrudge the caller, I mean, I know, but

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Speaker 15: but I'm telling you our competitiveness as a state, our

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Speaker 15: prosperity is going the wrong direction.

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Speaker 1: All right, More with Bill Walsh in a moment, we'll

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Speaker 1: wrap up on this comment and we'll talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about Amy Klobaschar and just kind you know, what

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Speaker 1: kind of campaign is she going to put forward. How

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Speaker 1: much of a fight is it going to be for

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Speaker 1: the whoever the nominee is for Republicans if they have

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Speaker 1: to go against Amy Klobaschar in the election later on

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Speaker 1: this year, And we'll get back to more of your

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Speaker 1: thoughts as well, any questions that you have for Bill

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Speaker 1: Walsh from Center the American Experiment. You can leave a

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Speaker 1: talkback on the iHeartRadio app. You can also drop me

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Speaker 1: an email Justice at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 10: Born on John Day, I work at a large screenprint

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Speaker 10: factory in a West Metroll. We're a large contingent of

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Speaker 10: Spanish feature workers, hired two Campaig agencies.

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Speaker 2: We've already got.

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Speaker 10: People coming off to supervisors and asking when they can

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Speaker 10: start taking their paid time off. They just think if

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Speaker 10: they get to take time off and get paid for it,

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Speaker 10: they don't even feel like they need to have a

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Speaker 10: reason