1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI six on demand. Elena, Welcome to 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: the Jesus Christ Show. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: Oh thank you for taking my call. I'm calling because 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: last night I was having a conversation with my sister 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 2: and it was with respect to her uneasiness at a 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 2: church that she recently went to. It's a Methodist church. 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: She's always been a very faithful follower of Jesus Christ, 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: and she loves the Lord. She has four beautiful boys. 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:37,639 Speaker 2: And I was a bit shocked last night because I 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: find that she's looking for a reason not to go 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: to church. And last night, when she asked me about 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: this uneasy feeling that she had about this Methodist church, 13 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: I thought, gosh, maybe she's looking at the wrong thing, 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: because aren't we supposed to just go and worship, you 15 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: not really look at the person who's ring a message, right, 16 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: because everybody here on earth is we're just we're flawed. 17 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: Sure, sure the message should be coming through in a 18 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: way that it's less about the person, although personality certainly 19 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: can play a part, but that it should be less 20 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: about that. 21 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: So I guess what I wanted to understand is I 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: felt that I didn't have the right words to share 23 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: with her or the right message to give to her. 24 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: All I told her was that she should just, you know, 25 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: base her her intention to go to church, simply to 26 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: go and worship, not so much the environment. And I'm 27 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: hoping that I gave her the right assistance. 28 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: I think you did with a comma. I think there's 29 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: more to it than that. I don't think what you 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: said was wrong, but there is more to it than that. 31 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: Because there are bad churches or there are bad fits. 32 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: Imagine it this way, that when you're in love, you 33 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: should love without condition right unconditionally be tied to that person. 34 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: But you would never give that advice to someone to 35 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: start out with. You never say, you know what, don't 36 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: worry about the flaws of the person you're dating, just 37 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: marry them. You wouldn't because although you want them to 38 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: be in a state of unconditional love, you want them 39 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: to be in that state with somebody who deserves the 40 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: unconditional love. So likewise, you want her to go into 41 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: a church free thinking and receiving what the spirit has 42 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: to bring, and worshiping in that church, regardless of who's 43 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: teaching and the environment. And that's not really a fair statement, 44 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: because I mean everything from the pragmatic that the pews 45 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: or the chairs might bother her, back to the message 46 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: not hitting her in a particular way, the music bothering her. 47 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: All those things can take her out of the state 48 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: of worship, shipness or kind of that free being able 49 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: to just go and receive because the you know, if 50 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: there's somebody chattering next to you, or there's a noise 51 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: that something makes, it could take you out of that moment. 52 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: So the environment most certainly plays a part in how 53 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: you're receiving. But the spirit of what you're saying, I 54 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: totally get you're saying. Listen, it's not about that go 55 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: and be with God. God's going to be there and 56 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: connect with God, not with just the people. Totally true. 57 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: But all those things, whether you like it or not 58 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: as a human being, are going to play a part 59 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: of your experience. You know, the air conditioning can be broken. 60 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: All these things can play apart somehow in your experience. 61 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: And if she's getting a bad vibe, that concerns me. 62 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: Yes, And the bad vibe that she mentioned was she 63 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: doesn't like all the ornate things. But it's almost like 64 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: she in my opinion, it was almost like she was 65 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: a bit nitpicky, and you know, the pastors wearing a robe, 66 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: those types of things that remind her of our Catholic upbringing, 67 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 2: which was beautiful because you know, our parents were very 68 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: beautiful people. But I think that certain things about the 69 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 2: Catholic religion don't resonate well with her and with myself 70 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 2: as well. I mean, it's just the there are certain 71 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: things that represent things that we don't sort of necessarily 72 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: want to care about. 73 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: Now, have you guys, you know, formally left the Catholic Church. 74 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: Well, yes, okay, we've been we've been going to a 75 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: non denominational you know, Christian church for over ten years. 76 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: Okay, so this is not something new to either of you. Now, 77 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: I find that strange that she's you know, because you 78 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:02,239 Speaker 1: go to Lutheran Church, you go to other Protestant churches, Methodists, Episcopalia, 79 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: and you can go to Protestant churches and they would 80 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: have some of the vestment style dress or certain structural 81 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: that certainly is not the mass, but it's gonna have 82 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: some structure like that that would be similar. And if 83 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: that's what you know, she wants to get away from, 84 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: then that's legitimate. I don't know if it should give 85 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: you a bad feeling unless it's tied, unless it's just 86 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: a trigger for something that tied that you both experienced 87 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: one time in the Catholic church or something like that. 88 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: But ultimately, if the church, you have to think of 89 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: church as a choice that it's like ice cream. There 90 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: are certain things that have to be an ice cream 91 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: to make it ice cream if that there, otherwise it 92 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: becomes frozen custard or frozen yogurt or what have you, 93 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: or one of my producer Neil's favorites gelato. Oh boy. 94 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: So there are certain things that make it that differentiate, 95 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: but flavors are separate from that. So what makes it 96 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: ice cream is the cream content and that type of thing. 97 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: But whether it's chocolate or vanilla is really a taste thing. 98 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: So make sure that the content is there, that it 99 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: is a good Christian church and it has a solid foundation. 100 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: But what flavor you choose, that's really going to be 101 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: up to you. When it comes to finding a church, 102 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: it can be. It can be difficult. Sometimes some people 103 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: overly spiritualize things and want, you know, when you walk 104 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: in to feel like everything melts off you from the 105 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: week and all that. It's not always going to be 106 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: that cut and dry. You play a part. The wonderful 107 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: organism that is a church is built up of the 108 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: people in it. Are you participating in the church. Are 109 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: you ushering or working with the children, or part of 110 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: the music worship team or whatever, helping with people, parking, 111 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,559 Speaker 1: whatever it might be. Are you involved in the church 112 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: reaching into the church rather than waiting for the church 113 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: to reach into you. Participating with a church is one 114 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: of the wonderful things that can make it come to life. 115 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: And I know sometimes it gets scary because you think, well, 116 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: what if I hear something I don't like or whatever, 117 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: I become disillusioned with the church. Now I've connected with 118 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: so many people, and that gets scary, I understand. But 119 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: you shouldn't go into it with that attitude. You should 120 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: go into it looking forward to the possibility of meeting 121 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: new people, engaging others and being engaged by them, and 122 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: really being part of the community. When you're a part 123 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: of a church and you connect with the church on 124 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: the deepest level is really when you get the most 125 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: out of it. It is a community. Now you can 126 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: think of it in other terms. You could move somewhere 127 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: and really enjoy your home and the neighborhood for its 128 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: aesthetics or what have you. But it doesn't really come 129 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: to life unless you're engaged in it, unless you know 130 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: what's going on and you participate and really know your neighbors, 131 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: and then it becomes something special, something more than just 132 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: the house or the structure. And likewise, in the church, 133 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: for it to be more than just a building, more 134 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: than just a guy standing up in the front telling 135 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: you things and a band playing music, then really you've 136 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: got to invest in it differently and make sure that 137 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: when you're going into a church that you're giving into 138 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: it as well as receiving from it. Karen, Welcome to 139 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: the Jesus Christ Show. 140 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 3: Hi, how are you today? 141 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: I am well, how are you? 142 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: Very good? 143 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: Thank you? Thank you for your show. 144 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: Oh you're welcome. 145 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: Just love it. My question today is a born again Christian. 146 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 3: I just was wondering about cremation and how you think 147 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 3: God stands on that. 148 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: Well, there's nothing in scripture that really talks about it. 149 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: There are some bones that are burned in Second King's 150 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: twenty three, and there are people that as ugly as 151 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: it seems, that were burned to death and things like that, 152 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: but there's no real specific discussion for the Christian about cremation. 153 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: So the only concern that Christians tend to have or 154 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: things dealing with end times prophecy type stuff and God 155 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: raising Christians from the ground, and people say, well, Gosh, 156 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: God's got rather resurrect bodies and we're putting them, you're 157 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: essentially making them dust. Well, I and this isn't to 158 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: be crude or crass, but the body decays in the 159 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: ground as well, no matter how well you wrap it, 160 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: unless you're doing a mummification. But even then, there are 161 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: parts of the body that decay and it starts to 162 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: become dust. Anyways, It just it will eventually, with long 163 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: enough time, exactly the same as it would be if 164 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: He burned it. Yes, So it's not about one It's 165 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: not about whether God could resurrect a cremated body, of course. 166 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: So although our Jewish brothers and sisters have different concerns 167 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: with cremation, a Christian has none. There's nothing biblically that 168 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: would say that it was wrong. There's nothing that would 169 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: keep God from doing something or any of those things. 170 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: It's just a choice, and sometimes it's less expensive or 171 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: a more prudent choice for some families, and some families 172 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: want the ashes to be close and these types of things. 173 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: There's all kinds of different reasons for it, but there's 174 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: nothing specifically in scripture that would note there was a 175 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: problem with cremation or anything like that. 176 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: Well, that answers my questions. It's just been on my 177 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 3: mind for years, and finally I got your show and 178 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 3: I decided to ask you. 179 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: Well, there's not a specific need, I hope no urgent. 180 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 3: I am claustrophobic as an alive person, and I don't 181 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: want to go under the ground. 182 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: Oh so, so being on an urn where you can 183 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: watch everything's a little better to you just you know, 184 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you know they make custom earns 185 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: now that you can have digitally have your face put 186 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: on the urn. 187 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: Oh that's scary, a little creepy. Throw me out in 188 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 3: the ocean. 189 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. 190 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 3: I'd rather be under the water than under the ground. 191 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: I think I see that people have different concerns with 192 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: the way. Trust me, where you're going, you won't none 193 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: of this will matter. You will be having a wonderful 194 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: time and the things of this world will be washed away. 195 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: In that sense, but in claustrophobia, yeah, even, yeah, that 196 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: will be one. There will be no walls or confinement. 197 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 4: You will be fine, all spirits wonderful. 198 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for your health to say. 199 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: You're welcome, thank you for your call. That is one 200 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: that people do get concerned. And you know, I get 201 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: a lot of questions about the afterlife, of course, but 202 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 1: there are a lot of human feelings and concerns that 203 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: people feel that they're going to take on with them, 204 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: and you know, claustrophobias would be one of them. And 205 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: the concept of cremation comes up from time to time. 206 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: Just know that from the dust you were created. From 207 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: the dust, you will return. The time in which you 208 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: do so may be up to you, but how is 209 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: up to God. And God is not perplexed by the 210 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: concept of cremation. It's not like he's going to say, oh, man, 211 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 1: when I build a puzzle, I like to put all 212 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: the blue pieces at the top because those are going 213 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: to be sky, and the green pieces down here because 214 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: those are gonna be grass. And now they're all messed 215 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: up and burnt, and I don't see or understand anything. 216 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: I think God will be fine with all of the 217 00:12:53,320 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: reconstruction Creator creates and nothing will stump him. Joshua, Welcome 218 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: to Jesus Christ Show. 219 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 4: Oh thank you, thank you for taking my call. I 220 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 4: appreciate that, my pleasure. What's on your mind about relationships? 221 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 4: And I got with the girl. I'm agnostic. I'm considered 222 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 4: it tw with by some people. I've got a native 223 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 4: point of view, live off the land type of view. 224 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 4: But my ex is a Christian and we were together 225 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 4: for like twelve years. And you know, you shouldn't give 226 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 4: up hope and hold out things can get better and stuff. 227 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 4: But in this day and age, I like, I don't 228 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 4: see things getting better. To be honest with you, I'm 229 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 4: still really good friends with this individual. We were together 230 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 4: for twelve years. This girl comes down probably about twice 231 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 4: a month, hang out with me any birthday. She comes 232 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 4: down for a birthday and everything. But the fact of 233 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 4: the matter is there's no getting together again. There's no reunion, 234 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 4: there's there's no finishing. It's basically it's over and done with. 235 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 4: And you just got to accept things the way they 236 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 4: are sometimes and things really aren't that great. To be 237 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 4: honest with you, Jesus, I've been now, Like I told you, 238 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 4: I was out on the lake fishing last night that calffish. 239 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 4: That's the only food I have. I've been without electricity 240 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 4: or water for the last five months. Actually not electricity. 241 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 4: I have electricity. 242 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: And you say that water gap. But you say, Joshua, 243 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,479 Speaker 1: that you you land in the blaef system of Taoism. 244 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 4: Uh no, no, no, I didn't say that. I said 245 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 4: that certain people consider me a Dallist. 246 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: Okay, but if you if you fall, is that because 247 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: of your attitude towards the land and or you know, 248 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: being Dallas. 249 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, no, it's not that. It's very Yeah, 250 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 4: it's more complicated than that. Say I was here, I'll 251 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 4: simplify it. My uncle, who majored in philosophy, considers me 252 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 4: a dallast He gotcha. And I'm philosophic school in that 253 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 4: I just blow things off. But then I got other 254 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 4: people in my family that think that I got a 255 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 4: Native American Indian belief system. Where like I said, I 256 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 4: took my friend who's a Christian, and I just took 257 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 4: him out in the woods. Last night Lamont Big shout 258 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 4: out to him and hey, let's go catch some catfish 259 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 4: and some baths. We can live off the land and 260 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 4: live naturally. In show and. 261 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: You've had a late night. I will tell you this 262 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: when it comes Joshua to the concept of uh, you know, 263 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: everything happening for a reason. When it comes to feeling 264 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: optimistic about bad situations, the Christian sees it from a 265 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: different perspective than someone who might be a doll or 266 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: or somebody who's an agnostic. As you said, you yourself 267 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: called yourself an agnostic, so that's what we'll go with. 268 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: We'll go with agnostic. But a Christian has hope in 269 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: things like First Corinthians two nine, where it says I 270 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: has not seen nor ear heard, nor have anyone entered 271 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: into the heart of man the things which God has 272 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: prepared for those who love him. The hope does not 273 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: come from just circumstances. If you hear me give out 274 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: the phone numbers, I say, you know, if you have 275 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: a theology question or life situation. We say life situation 276 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: because the circumstances do change, and if you bank on 277 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: just a circumstance, it's not a very safe place to 278 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: be because they do change. Some people spend all their 279 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: money because they have because they have a job, and 280 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: then you forget the fact that you may not have 281 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: a job. One day, and then you have no money. 282 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: So even when you're working, you save your money with 283 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: the attitude of circumstances change, circumstances changing. So the Christian 284 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: does not live on circumstances. If they did, there would 285 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: have been a big problem, because if you remember, there 286 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: was a point where I was on that cross. I 287 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: died on that cross, and then what did that mean? 288 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: You had even my truest believers scattering and running around 289 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: because they're going, oh my gosh, the biggest, the worst 290 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: thing they could see to them was physical death. But 291 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: more was going on than physical death. And so to 292 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,479 Speaker 1: the Christian, optimism is different. It's being seen in the 293 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: Statements of Philippians four thirteen, when Paul declares, I can 294 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: do all things through Christ, who strengthens me. It's not 295 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: the same attitude of the world that says when things 296 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: are good, I'm happy. When things are bad, I'm sad, 297 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: or the hedonist that says all god good things feel 298 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: good and all bad things feel bad. That's just not 299 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: the way it works. To the Christian, the believer sees 300 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: a multitude of glory in God in all situations, good 301 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: or bad. Outside of faith, people look just for something 302 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: to feel good or be good, don't want to work, 303 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: don't want to strive, don't want to have to sweat 304 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: for it. But the believer says, not my will, but 305 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: thy will be done, Lord, that it is in the 306 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: hands of God, and that with that comes hope. Romans 307 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: eight twenty eight says, and we know that God causes 308 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: all things to work together for the good to those 309 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: who love God, to those who are called according to 310 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: His capital h purpose. There is the beauty of optimism 311 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: in faith. And unfortunately, if you're you know, come from 312 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: an agnostic place where you just don't know where God 313 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: is or if he is, or any of those things, 314 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: you can get lost in your own feelings or the circumstances. 315 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: And it's not about those those will change. People that 316 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: get lost in circumstances end up having very, very problem 317 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: filled lives. Have you ever watched a movie where, since 318 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: you're on the outside, you can see everything that the 319 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: characters in the movie are doing wrong, and you see them, Oh, 320 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: they have a misunderstanding, and they hear a message from 321 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: their girlfriend or wife to someone else and they go, oh, 322 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: they're cheating on me, and you're going, no, they're putting 323 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: together a surprise party for you, and the guy gets upset, 324 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: he goes out, he drinks, and you're going, don't do it. 325 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: She's not having an affair. She's setting up a surprise 326 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: party with your best friend. There's nothing going on, gets drunk, 327 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: gets in the car, gets in an accident, and you 328 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: just see their life spin out of control from a circumstance. 329 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: God is doing the same thing. God sees everything as 330 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: one fat thought happening simultaneously everywhere. So when you start 331 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: reacting to things, and it's been said that life is 332 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: truly ten percent what happens to you in ninety percent 333 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: how you react to it. Therein lies the nugget I 334 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: want to impart to you, Joshua, is that what you 335 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: do with the things around you, what you do with loss, 336 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: what you do with any with gained, with anything in 337 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: your life, will dictate the character of who you are. 338 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: And as believers, as Christians, those that are faithful rely 339 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: not on the circumstance, but in the of all things, 340 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: God himself. Phil Welcome to New York Times. Hi Phil, Yes, 341 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: Welcome to Jesus Christ Show. How can I help you? 342 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 5: You're the Messiah that was predicted in the Old Testament. 343 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's how Christians would think it was. 344 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 4: Okay, are you. 345 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: Is Jesus Christ the Messiah that was predicted in the 346 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: Old Testament? Yes? I mean like, is he Kill thirty 347 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: seven and all that? 348 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 4: Right? 349 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: Yes, all that good stuff Isaiah fifty three, all that 350 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: good stuff. So how come you don't beat any of 351 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: the criterion in Isaiah in Kill thirty seven? Have you 352 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: ever studied what is referred to as the Jesus's Address? 353 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: I just go strictly by scripture. Yeah, this is all 354 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: based on scripture. Have you ever read Jesus's Address? I 355 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: don't see anything in the New Testament listed as Jesus Address. No, 356 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: it's not a specific thing that you will find there. 357 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: It's a it's a let's say, it's a conglomeration of 358 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: the ideas that are in scripture and the prophetical concepts 359 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 1: that lead towards whether I was the Messiah or not. 360 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, there are over four hundred 361 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: prophecies that point to the Messiah of the Old Testament, 362 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: and in those prophecies, obviously the likelihood or the probability 363 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: becomes greater and greater each time you add another prophecy. 364 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: So Jesus' address is a it's a compiled look at 365 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: all of those, and I would recommend, out of your 366 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: curiosity to go through and check that out so that 367 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: you can see which ones were fulfilled. And I don't 368 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: want to ruin the end of the story, but all 369 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: of them. Gina. 370 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 5: Yes, Well, my father in law recently was unfaithful to 371 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 5: his wife and he says he's sorry, but my husband 372 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 5: and I are concerned that he really isn't sorry or 373 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 5: tries to justify his actions through scripture, saying that in 374 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 5: scripture it says that it's better to go with a 375 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 5: prostitute than shet with someone he was emotionally attached with, 376 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 5: which is what happened. 377 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: And also, so it's better to poke out your eye 378 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: or cut off your hand than it is to steal 379 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: or lust. And the point is that it's the point 380 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: being made, is that it's so gross what's going to 381 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: be done, that it's better to be with a process. 382 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: It's not saying that it's okay to be with a prostitute. 383 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: It's saying that any more than it's saying it's okay 384 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: to cut off your hand or gouge out your eyes. 385 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: It's trying to make a point at how horrible that 386 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: that relationship would be. It's being misused. 387 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 5: He's also kind of going back to another mind, saying 388 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 5: that if he doesn't get intent forgiveness, or that we 389 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 5: don't forgive him right away, he might backslide, which is 390 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 5: something else. 391 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: What does that have to do with you? 392 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 5: Well, because my husband, his son is trying to forgive him, 393 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 5: and they have another son, and he's very angry and 394 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 5: he can't forgive him at the moment. So he's saying, 395 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 5: if I don't get forgiveness from him right away, I'm 396 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 5: going to backslide. 397 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: This man, by your description, sounds horribly manipulative. 398 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's what he's doing right now. I 399 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 5: think he's trying to justify his actions being desperate, which 400 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 5: is not something that is of his nature. 401 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: But how did he get caught with the prostitute. 402 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 5: He made a call to her and it went over 403 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 5: the speaker in the car. The bluetooth picked it up, 404 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 5: so his wife overheard the conversation or the call and 405 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 5: fronted him. 406 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: Is if you know, does is he still having sexual 407 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: relations with his wife or was he at the time? No? 408 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 5: And I guess that was the problem because they're of 409 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 5: older age that he still had needs and she wasn't 410 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 5: able to anymore. So it was a topic of discussion 411 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 5: for them for a couple of years. 412 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: And she she was she's unable to. 413 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, she's just not She has cancer, so it's not 414 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 5: very comfortable for her, and so he's he started. The 415 00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 5: doctor put him on hormones, so he became I'm a 416 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 5: lot more excited, and he needed to release himself, and 417 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 5: I guess he got desperate enough to go and find 418 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 5: it elsewhere. 419 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: Oh, this is much more complicated than in the few 420 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: minutes that we're allotted on the program before we sign 421 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: off here. But the excuses that are being used are 422 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: very manipulative, and the prostitution is not the answer and 423 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: can cause a lot of problems. I know that there's 424 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: many people that would disagree with that, and so be it. 425 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: But Scripture doesn't give any any leeway to the concept 426 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: of prostitution. People can argue that prostitution was used for 427 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: the good, or a prostitute was used for the good 428 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: in Joshua and things like that. But you know Romans 429 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: six thirteen, Proverbs five to three through five, there's all 430 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: kinds of verses that talk about prostitution not being a 431 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: good and or a healthy thing for the body for 432 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: relationship or anything like that, for both parties, even the prostitute. 433 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: As far as forgiveness goes, the forgiveness is for the individual. 434 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: So in this case, it's for your your husband and 435 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: his brother. It's not for the father. It's for them 436 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: to release it so that it doesn't sit in them, 437 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: so they can give forgiveness as freely as they want. 438 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: But as far as reconciliation and maybe connecting with the 439 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: father again, that's different, and that has to come as 440 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: they feel ready for it, and there's nothing, you know, 441 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: the father can do. It's a sticky situation. I think 442 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: that it should be dealt with in love. I don't 443 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: think the man should be ostracized. It is a very 444 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: specific situation and it's sad that it comes to this. 445 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: The body is a very powerful and oftentimes confusing machine, 446 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: and it does have needs and I think it's legitimate, 447 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: and I'm proud of the father in many ways for 448 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: understanding that that he's having these needs and that they're 449 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: trying to find some circumstance if if it's just not 450 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: physic possible as it seems with the wife. Then think 451 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: there needs to be a plan being it can't be 452 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: a prostitute. That's ridiculous and can cause more problems. KFI 453 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: A M six forty on demand