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Speaker 2: Ay twenty nine to fifty five krsite Talk station. Tuesday

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Speaker 2: means it is time for the alliterative podcast, Daniel Davis

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Speaker 2: Deep Dive. I'll encourage my listeners to check that out

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Speaker 2: wherever they get their podcasts and always tune in at

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Speaker 2: this time and Tuesdays on the fifty five KARSE Morning Show.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis Deep Dive boy,

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Speaker 2: and we've got a lot to talk about today. Good

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Speaker 2: to see you again. I get to see it.

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Speaker 1: Good to be here.

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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure. Well, the whole world was on full

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Speaker 2: display yesterday. I had representatives from I think every country

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Speaker 2: or every continent rather except Australia showing up for the

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Speaker 2: Well the initial signing of what looks like, dare I

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Speaker 2: even say the words out loud, peace in the Middle East,

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Speaker 2: at least between Israel and Hamas. What an amazing development

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Speaker 2: your reaction on this. The stars clearly aligned for a

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Speaker 2: variety of different reasons which allowed this to come together.

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Speaker 2: But I think the idea that you've got what I

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Speaker 2: a global perception they were backed into a corner.

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Speaker 1: Well, they were in your right that there were many,

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Speaker 1: many reasons why this came together. I would say at

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Speaker 1: the hostilities have happened and there is a shot at peace.

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Speaker 1: But even within the terms that are set out here,

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Speaker 1: there is a two phased operation. Phase one was basically

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Speaker 1: a ceasefire and a return of the hostages from both sides,

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Speaker 1: which has taken place. But Phase two hasn't even been

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Speaker 1: with that. So I don't want to get too optimistic,

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Speaker 1: but I am incredibly grateful and happy that the cessation

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Speaker 1: of hostilities has happened, because I've always said, you've got

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Speaker 1: it's going to be really hard. But listen, we got

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Speaker 1: to give props to a President Trump because he put it.

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Speaker 1: It's not just that Hamas was isolated, they've been oscillated.

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Speaker 1: It's also that President Trump was willing to put pressure

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Speaker 1: because this you'd certainly know, there's many on the Israeli

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Speaker 1: a military victory. So everybody had to give a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and no one is more hesitant to declare peace

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Speaker 2: in the Middle East than me, Sir. I've been down

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Speaker 2: this before, the road before, only to be met with disappointment.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, as I've repeatedly said on the show, here,

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Speaker 2: you know, getting the players to negotiate getting the border

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Speaker 2: of humanity and humanitarian relief, and that was a big

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. And then in fact this I think

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Speaker 1: but that is a massive increase over what it has been.

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Speaker 1: that was going on with the food shortages. So that's

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Speaker 2: Now and you're better, you're obviously more knowledgeable and skilled

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Speaker 2: Isn't that what I'll say, local conflict like within Gaza

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, the Gulf Corporation Council has been for more

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Speaker 1: They say, we want to have improved relations with Israel.

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Speaker 1: Of course President Trump, it's his signature thing, so he

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Speaker 1: would love the Abraham Accords to expand. Israel has recently

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Speaker 1: But if it doesn't it results in the Palestinian people

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Speaker 2: Step in the right direction and connection with the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: I'll take any step in the right direction. Daniel Davis

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Speaker 2: really quickly. You mentioned Hamas. Obviously they've been the disrupting factor.

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Speaker 2: They ruled that area, they were the governing force. Who

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what's going to have to That's part of

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Speaker 2: Certainly, I can understand their one two the right to

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Speaker 1: it's so hard for them to bring all these reserves

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Speaker 1: people want that to sound like it's good news for

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Speaker 1: need to get this war wrapped up even.

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Speaker 2: More well, your comments are reflective of exactly why I

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Speaker 2: brought this up because I read the statistic this morning

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Speaker 2: with a huge measure of skepticism because where do they

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Speaker 2: pull these figures from. I don't know, but the volume

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Speaker 2: of casualties just seemed unimaginable. Any chance that peace might

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Speaker 2: on between Russia and Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Well, President Trump wants that and he would love to

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Speaker 1: have it. The Russians, obviously they would like to have

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Speaker 1: That's why Zelenski will be in town on Friday to

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Speaker 1: talk to President Trump to try and really get him

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Speaker 1: to release Tomahawk missiles, which Trump said he would consider doing.

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Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't, and I don't think that he

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Speaker 1: really is, because that would only exacerbate and raise higher

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Speaker 1: the possibility of a clash with Russia, which they said.

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Speaker 1: This is different because the Tomahawk missile can contain a

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Speaker 1: nuclear warhead, winner the others can't, so it's a bigger

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Speaker 1: red line. I don't want to find out if they

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Speaker 1: mean that or not, so I'm all for getting this

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Speaker 2: Amen to that, Daniel Davis. And Plus you also pointed

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Speaker 2: out in our previous conversations, if we give him Tomahawks,

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Speaker 2: it's going to require American military personnel to operate them,

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Speaker 2: which means we're in a fighting war with Russia and

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Speaker 2: nobody wants that. Daniel Davis, Deep Dive. Always a distinct

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Speaker 2: pleasure to have you on the fifty five cars Morning

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Speaker 2: Shore every Tuesday. God bless you, sir. I'll look forward

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Speaker 2: to next Tuesday, another discussion.

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Speaker 1: See you next week.

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