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Speaker 2: All right, let's do a kind of a mini top

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Speaker 3: Let's start with some positivity because one team in town

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Speaker 1: Now for the obligatory Kevin Faulness Minnesota Wild mention.

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Speaker 2: The Minnesota Wild pick up.

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Speaker 4: Their NHL leading fifth shutout win of the year. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no question about that. And I mean, now

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Speaker 5: It's all to the good. And the point you just

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Speaker 2: Louis is indeed back with us. Unfortunately I'm back logged

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Speaker 2: player that you believe in just to just to you know,

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Speaker 2: sort of regroup.

434
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Speaker 6: You know.

435
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 5: That's uh, that's a question got to be handled a

436
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 5: lot of different ways. It all depends on the individual

437
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 5: you're talking about. Some youngsters really benefit from something like that,

438
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 5: and and it's their personality allows them to benefit from it,

439
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 5: where others more volatile or fiery or what have you,

440
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 5: it hurts them more. They they they'd rather be in there,

441
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 5: and and they got the conference and the cockiness of

442
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 5: of a person, and the type of persons that become

443
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 5: big stars when when they feel like that, that that

444
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 5: you know, they want to battle. They they don't believe

445
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 5: that they're in that situation, and they have a lot

446
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 5: of conference in themselves. So you have to know the individual.

447
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 5: I really believe it. You know, your interactions with that

448
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 5: person while you've been coaching them or been around them

449
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 5: will give you some indication the awa he's going to

450
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 5: react to a situation like that. And and I really

451
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 5: do believe that some will benefit, and I also believe

452
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 5: some don't benefit. And so it's up to the culture

453
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Speaker 5: and manager to decide what type of individual he is.

454
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Speaker 2: It's a fair point. I mean, that's that's probably you

455
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 2: got to know the player who's involved, et cetera. I

456
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: will tell you that here's where I think it can

457
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 2: be really tricky. Maybe in the short run doesn't matter,

458
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 2: but I think there's reason there may be it was

459
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 2: always reasonablieve that in the short term Max Brosmer might

460
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Speaker 2: be more ready to be a quarterback for even a

461
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 2: game or two in the National Football League than JJ is.

462
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 2: He's a couple of years old. In fact, he's twenty

463
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Speaker 2: four and a half. He's in turn twenty five. I

464
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 2: think in March been around the block a while. Doesn't

465
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Speaker 2: depend on his athleticism, just seems like he's got, you know,

466
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 2: a little bit if he comes across as a little

467
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Speaker 2: bit more of an adult. I don't mean that as

468
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Speaker 2: a rip to JJ, but JJ's young. On the other hand,

469
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Speaker 2: as you know, your job when you're evaluating talent is

470
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Speaker 2: to figure out not only who might be good or

471
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: might give you the best chance to win today, but

472
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Speaker 2: who's got the best chance to develop into the kind

473
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: of guy that can help you win for a long time.

474
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: Right upside that's what we're always talking about, not where

475
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: as somebody is now, but where he's going to go.

476
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 2: And that's the tricky part. I could see Brose were

477
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 2: playing better quite frankly, Louie, than JJ did. It wouldn't

478
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: really take much at this point, but that I don't

479
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 2: think should be necessarily taken. As we found other guy.

480
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: This is the guy we should be investing in, and

481
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: that McCarthy is no longer viable because it's it's a

482
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 2: tricky formula that is about not just the present but

483
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:09,479
Speaker 2: also the future.

484
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Speaker 5: I agree with that. That's why I think that I

485
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 5: think they make a good move in putting broth More

486
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 5: in for that reason, to at least give him an

487
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 5: opportunity to play. And as you pointed out, he is older,

488
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 5: he's got a more seasoned are around him, you know

489
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Speaker 5: what I mean, from what he's done, yes, or he's

490
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 5: been being older, he might be able to handle that

491
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 5: situation and also, just as you said, handling pretty well,

492
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 5: but in the long run, not be the individual that

493
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 5: McCarthy can because you know right off the bat that

494
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 5: he can't throw any harder than McCarthy and you can

495
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 5: run any better. He's a good runner. On top of it.

496
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 5: So he's got he's got some mathematics skills that if

497
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 5: he honed them, and the biggest, the biggest thing in

498
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 5: any individual, people don't talk about. They'll talk about the

499
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 5: athletic skills, they'll talk about the side, they'll talk about toughness.

500
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 5: Not enough people talk about the mind. It's the mind

501
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 5: that makes the difference. What's going on in your head.

502
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 5: And now, if if McCarthy's got those skills in the

503
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 5: head then finally get to where the skills are, then

504
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 5: you're going to have a much better player. But if

505
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 5: the mind doesn't get where those skills are. I like

506
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 5: Brousmer's mind. I like the way he handled himself. I

507
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 5: liked the way he came into the university and was

508
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 5: smart enough to bring the guys around them into him

509
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 5: and into the team and build a bond up that

510
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 5: he had to do quickly. So it's really something to see.

511
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 5: I want to see how he performs in that area.

512
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 5: I think that unfortunately for the Vikings when you look

513
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 5: back now that there was a missed opportunity when he

514
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 5: didn't go in the game for wins a lot earlier.

515
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: For you're talking about Brosmer, Yeah, right, that could be. Yeah,

516
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: I I never understood, uh, you know, once when he

517
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: when we talked about it, I think at the time

518
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: where he seemed to be in as much pain as

519
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: he was in. I know, the comeback was, well, he

520
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: can't be any more injury, he can't do any more damage.

521
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: But he certainly looked like he was in a great

522
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: deal of agony. And uh, and I don't know. I mean,

523
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: there are people there's a lot of conspiracy theories, Louis.

524
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: One is there was no indication of a concussion yesterday

525
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: and now suddenly there is, and that this is a

526
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: kind of a soft benching where everybody's kind of winking

527
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: and saying, this is how we can say, we're not

528
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 2: really benching him. It's more about the injury. But if

529
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: we can get him off the field. I refuse to

530
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: believe they would they would invent a concussion. I don't know,

531
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: but my guess is they probably don't mind that he's

532
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: sitting because it it they have a little bit of

533
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: interference that is being run for them on the basis

534
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: of concussion, because they say, well, it's you know, concussions

535
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: people take seriously now, and to that extent, maybe it

536
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: takes a little bit of the pressure off and and

537
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: Broswork goes in I think pretty loose because expectations are,

538
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: you know, not going to be great for him. But

539
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: there's it's it's hard for it to get any worse

540
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: than it was against Green Bay.

541
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Speaker 5: But if it was a wing wing situation, then don't

542
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 5: you think at least I feel that McCarthy would know it?

543
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: Yes, right, I can't.

544
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 5: I can't picture him agreeing to it because it's still

545
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 5: a benching and whether people I don't think his his

546
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 5: personality is such that he wants to be protected from

547
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 5: criticism as much as he wants to be given the

548
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 5: opportunity to play. And when you when you when you

549
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 5: fabricated uh an injury like that, eventually it's going to

550
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 5: get up. The word's going to get it really wasn't

551
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 5: an injury or something, and you're taking a you're taking

552
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 5: a heck of a chance, and all of a sudden,

553
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 5: it's so you're protecting the individual, and that makes it

554
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 5: even comfert on the individual because the fans could be

555
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 5: cool the way they react to him after that, they

556
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 5: know they had to pull you out and take a

557
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 5: concussion to keep you.

558
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: A I'm with you on that.

559
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a dangerous situation.

560
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: No, it's not why I don't think it's it's worth it.

561
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: As I said, I think a case, let's say there

562
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: was no concussion protocol. I do believe a case could

563
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 2: be made that even if I am not giving up

564
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: on this player that I am, I can be doing

565
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: him a service by sitting him for a week or

566
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: two and say there's some stuff we want to go

567
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: over with him. And the only way we could feel

568
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: like we can do that is to not throw him

569
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: back right out on the field. And so that's what

570
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: we're going to do. I really do think because my

571
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: concern and you know this too, players teammates generally say

572
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: the right thing right, and they're going to say, I'm sure,

573
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: we're supportive, we're going to be patient. We know this

574
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: thing takes time, the human nature being what it is.

575
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: Players at some point they're about performance too, right, They're

576
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: not just about words. They're about okay, are we putting

577
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: guys out there that even give us a chance? And

578
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: I think that's that's part of what you know, the

579
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: vikings and what KOC have to guard against, or at

580
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: least have to be aware of and pay attention to do.

581
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: Is that makes sense.

582
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 5: That makes a lot of sense because we've discussed many

583
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 5: times over about the feeling of individuals in a locker room.

584
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 5: How many times have I said, you don't have to

585
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 5: love one or another. Yeah, but that day, that's your brother,

586
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 5: that's who you play for. When you leave the building,

587
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 5: I don't care if you ever see each other again.

588
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 5: And a team is a special bond. And if they're

589
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 5: in a situation that locker room where where they're getting

590
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 5: the other individuals are getting taken advantage of because they're

591
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 5: not playing the best players. So they they don't want

592
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 5: to say they made a mistake or they whatever the

593
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 5: reason is that they're they're forstering somebody else on that

594
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 5: team and they're not success fall And those guys, you know,

595
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 5: they got their careers on the line. He got on

596
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 5: the line, They got a lot of things on the line.

597
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 5: They're not gonna they're not gonna take to that very kindly.

598
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 5: They they will stick with a player that's their teammate

599
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 5: as much as they have to, but at the same time,

600
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 5: they're not going to accept somebody going into the lineup

601
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 5: that's not as good as the next guy that should

602
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 5: be in the lineup without having some feelings about it.

603
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 5: If if they lose the game, they're they're gonna be

604
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 5: in essence thinking that wasn't our best team out there today.

605
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 5: We could have won this game with a little different

606
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 5: So you've gotta you have to always watch. You don't

607
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 5: lose the locker.

608
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: Room safe travels back you said, I think you're coming

609
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: back tomorrow. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours and we

610
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: will we will chat next week.

611
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 5: Thank you, Luigi, all right, look forward sing you.

612
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: Thanks you as well. Excellent stuff from Louis as always,

613
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: not just on hockey. That's one of the reasons we

614
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: love Louie as a regular contributor to this program. We

615
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: still have a good, solid half hour to go. That

616
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: means more vikings, talking points, some good ones yet ahead,

617
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: so we asked that you hang in back in a minute.

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Speaker 3: Join the fans guardsy this Sunday at Gray's Food Hall

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Speaker 3: is in the Bahamas. You actually had offered up a

624
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: live listening earlier. Go for women's basketball team had I

625
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: think its first game in whatever that tournament is named.

626
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: Did we win or do we lose? Do we know?

627
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: They beat USF the South Florida Bowls. Okay, fifty seven

628
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: to forty five. Fifty seven forty five. Okay, there you go,

629
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: five and one on the year they are.

630
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: They should have gotten the one I think they The

631
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: one they lost was at Kansas, and Kansas is not

632
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: a great team this year. But uh, they're off to

633
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: a relatively promising start. We'll see where this thing goes.

634
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: But I've never been. Uh, I've never been to the Bahamas.

635
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: I you know, I tend to associate the Bahamas with

636
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: I know, on both the men's and women's side. I

637
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: think there they have holiday tournaments and I think the

638
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: Bahama Tournament, Bahamas Tournament, I should say. Maybe it's on

639
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 2: the men's side, maybe they just in the women's. It's

640
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 2: got this exotic blue back lighting that is very unique

641
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 2: to the tournament. I wonder if anybody, well it should

642
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. I'm locked out of our system again, So

643
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 2: don't text me. You can tweet me, but don't text me.

644
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be You're not gonna be able to

645
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: get through at this point. But it looks like it's

646
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: in like a ballroom, Yes, exactly, exactly right. It almost

647
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: looks like it's, like you say, an auditorium of some

648
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: sort rather than a big gym that we associate with that.

649
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: So I'm sure he'll eventually file a live report. This

650
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 2: is a tough day for him, as I said, because

651
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: he's I'm sure enjoying where he is, but he's been

652
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: on the Brozemur Brownstone beat for a while, and the

653
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,959
Speaker 2: fact that the story would break that he finally has

654
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: the best chance he's had to start a game and

655
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: guards these like millions of miles away, you really can't

656
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: quite make up. But maybe we'll try to catch up

657
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: with him tomorrow because we're out Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday

658
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: as well. Let's get to another Vikings talking point, and

659
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: my sources saying, because I've not heard the radio play

660
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: by play call that it's pretty dramatic what Pa and

661
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: or Peter Bursich have to say about a play that

662
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: you could argue pretty much changed everything in the ballgame.

663
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: From that this moment forward, the Vikings no longer seemed

664
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: all that interested in competing.

665
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 6: Wheelan will let it fly from about his own forty

666
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 6: miles Price heels on the ten end over end production

667
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 6: by Wheeland. Price is going to let it sail over

668
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 6: his head. Nice bounce Bay. At the six, Price ran

669
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 6: in there and touched it.

670
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: What are you doing?

671
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 6: It's bouncing about at the five to get them out

672
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 6: of the Are you kidding?

673
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous. I mean, this just so ridiculous.

674
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 6: Seriously, after the special teams l on Devin Duberne last

675
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 6: game and Bryce lets it fly over his head and then,

676
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 6: for whatever the reason, decides to run back by the ball.

677
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: On the field because the pub was touched by the

678
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: return team player and.

679
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 6: Subsequently recovered by the kickers first down of Green Bay.

680
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: I think didn't he get blocked? Price should have stayed

681
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: out of there, obviously, but I thought he ended up

682
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: kind of getting blocked into where the ball was headed.

683
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: It was just it was a lame brain play all

684
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: the way around. And again to that point, I don't

685
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: think anybody was raving about the Vikings offense, but it

686
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: was still a relatively competitive game, right and that's pretty much.

687
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: Would you have how many yards did you have to

688
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: go three?

689
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 6: Two?

690
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: Or do they inside the five? Very close into no time?

691
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 2: You had your run and you didn't need your number

692
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: one running back. No, there was not any need to

693
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: mess with the number one running back because.

694
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 6: Hirst and goal hand off to Wilson goes up the middle,

695
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 6: runs head first into lee by Drake Rodriguez, but he

696
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 6: will plunge into the end zone for a green Bay

697
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 6: Packers touchdown and green Bay leads six three. The backers

698
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 6: of the seven to three lead first in ten handoff,

699
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 6: Emmanuel Wilson runs to the right side, right into the

700
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 6: back of center Sean Ryan bounces off two Vikings at

701
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 6: the twenty five and he'll forge ahead to the twenty

702
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 6: nine for a run of eleven that should have been

703
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 6: a run of four, and it's a first down for

704
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 6: green Bay. Jordan Love in the short shotgun it's the

705
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 6: pistol formation and Annual Wilson behind him and on first

706
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 6: and ten handoff Wilson, he'll bounce off right tackle Zack

707
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 6: tom and get to the outside forty five forty, but

708
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 6: Tellson's fry passions him down at about the thirty five

709
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 6: yard line. Still they gave him ten, so it's a

710
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 6: first down from the Vikings thirty seven backers leads seventeen

711
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 6: to six. Emmanuel Wilson, he's the tailback and he continues

712
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 6: his career day against the Minnesota Vikings. More on that momentarily,

713
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 6: first and ten, they go to Wilson, jump up right

714
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 6: and he runs right by Eric Wilson across the twenty

715
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 6: to the eighteen yard line for a first down. That's

716
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 6: an eleven yard run. So Emmanuel Wilson now has one

717
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 6: hundred and three rushing yards on twenty three carries. For

718
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 6: Emmanuel Wilson, who is in his third ear from Fort

719
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 6: Valley State, career highs for attempts, rushing yards, touchdowns, and

720
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 6: scrimmage yards. He now has one hundred and twenty one

721
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 6: scrimmage yards and he's first in ten for Green Bay

722
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 6: from the Vikings eighteen leading by eleven ah.

723
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: He finished I think the day with twenty eight carries,

724
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: one hundred and seven yards, two touchdowns along of twelve.

725
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 2: As we said, and had you even heard of him

726
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: before the game, well you probably had, as you're a

727
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: packer room yet correct, I'm not saying he's got no talent.

728
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 2: But come on, man, but I buy the notion that

729
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: everybody gets worn down when you have a quarterback play

730
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 2: that is historically bad. I think it ends up, whether

731
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: it should or not, affecting pretty much everybody. Your guy,

732
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: Jordan Love fairly pedestrian numbers right, fourteen for twenty one,

733
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty nine, no touchdowns, no picks, and

734
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: you know, I mean it was a day where your

735
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: offense didn't have to do a lot. When the other

736
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: qbs twelve or nineteen for eighty seven yards, no touchdowns

737
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: and two picks and it's sacked five times. You just

738
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: keep playing and you're probably going to be okay, and

739
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: ultimately you were a final score of twenty three to six. Yeah.

740
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 3: Pa asked me, I run the nine and noon program

741
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 3: on Tuesdays when they're out of TCO. And he asked me, downline,

742
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: what do you think of Emanuel Wilson? And I just

743
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 3: don't sleep on No. I just said, fine, backup guy

744
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: does the job when Jacobs needs, you know, a sip

745
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: of water, and then that's his bit. I didn't think

746
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 3: he was capable of that. I didn't think the run game,

747
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: as far as the run blocking was capable of that either.

748
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 3: But yeah, when you have love asn't the ac joint

749
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 3: spray on his shoulder? Why why risk it? When it's

750
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 3: the run game is working so well, so they didn't

751
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: really ask them to do much.

752
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: Didn't neither do much. I'm looking at the NFC North standings,

753
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: the Bears and probably after escaping a soldier field with

754
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: a victory over the Aarons Rogers less, No, the Pittsburgh

755
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 2: Steelers without Aaron Rodgers. I guess I should say they're

756
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: at eight and three, your Packers a half game behind.

757
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: It's seven three and one. Detroit is seven and four,

758
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 2: which means that not only are the Vikings in last place,

759
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: they are three games out of third place. It's it's

760
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: astonishing when you think about it. And for the reck

761
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: the Bears eight and three, right, eight wins, three losses.

762
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: Their point differential remains minus three. I think that's their

763
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: last win of the season. Packers plus sixty one, Lions

764
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: plus eighty three Vikings are minus thirty one. The Bears

765
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: eight and three minus three differentially. You might be right.

766
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: They've got the Eagles on Friday in the Black Friday Game.

767
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 2: I think they've got two games left with you guys.

768
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: They've got the Niners and was it one more with

769
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 2: the Lions?

770
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 5: Yeah?

771
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: So Eagles, Packers on the road, right, Browns at home,

772
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: which that could be now the SoRs start at the Browns,

773
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 3: but then Packers again, forty nine ers on the road

774
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: and then the Lions.

775
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: Remarkable. Well, we'll find out in there, we'll find out.

776
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 2: We'll see. Don't get hoty, you're not gonna you haven't

777
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 2: clinched the division yet, my boy, I get it out.

778
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: Let's break, come back, wrap things up. Remind you what

779
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: we have coming up tomorrow, what you missed earlier today.

780
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: Stay durn. It's the Bumper to Bumper Show rap. It's

781
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: brought to by American pressure. A number of people had

782
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 2: sent in the video that's being explored of the hit

783
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: we did talk about for those who were just joining

784
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: the program, we did talk about the one where he

785
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: went down hard on a scramble to the left and

786
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: almost seemed like flat on his back with his arms

787
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: outstretched in a way that I thought indicated he got

788
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: nailed pretty good. That's where the speculation is where the

789
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: concussion might have taken place, If it is indeed a concussion,

790
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: I don't even if that's been ruled that in fact

791
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: he's in concussion protocol, which I think indicates at the

792
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 2: very least there's a suspicion of that that he had

793
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: expressed some concern I think on the way back according

794
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 2: to Adam Feelen, and then maybe this morning as well,

795
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,479
Speaker 2: about some symptoms. Could that have been the play? Yeah,

796
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: I think it's it's almost foolhardy to evaluate it on

797
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: the base of any play, because it's it's often the

798
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 2: play where you think, oh my god, that looks like

799
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: a concussion. There's nothing, and then sometimes a play that

800
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 2: does not that looks relatively harmless for whatever the reason,

801
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: the way a head snaps back or the way he

802
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: falls ends up being a part of it. I don't

803
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: think it's worth going through all that. It's a proud

804
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: or film like fashion. To be honest with you, I

805
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 2: don't know what it leads to, because you're never going

806
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: to know, and you're never going to convince the conspiracy theorists.

807
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 2: And as I said earlier, if McCarthy were playing more serviceably,

808
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: this wouldn't even be a discussion and be like, well, yeah,

809
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: that's bad, that's bad luck for him. Now he's playing

810
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: a little better, and he got he's in concussion protocol.

811
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: The reason it's I think these conspiracy theories have oxygen

812
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: is he's playing so poorly that people are concluding that well,

813
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: they don't want him to play, or they're looking for

814
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: an out, and either he's getingiving them that out, or

815
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: they're giving themselves that out with the concussion conversation. And

816
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: as I said, I think we already know the most

817
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: important issue. We know they miscalculated on the readiness of

818
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: this player to be the guy this year in a

819
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: way that was going to allow them to at the

820
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: same time compete within the division and within the conference.

821
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: They miscalculated that. I don't want to revisit all the

822
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: other options they had because we've talked about that before,

823
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: but I think that's what we already know, which again

824
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: is not the same thing as saying he can never

825
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: be a franchise quarterback for this team. But he's whatever

826
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: vision they had, and they had this vision, trust me

827
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 2: that we could do both at the same time. That

828
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: has been proven to be incorrect. And the question is

829
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 2: how vulnerable it makes the people who run this team.

830
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: We've talked about the fact that you know, uh, this

831
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: we have no playoff wins thus far with this regime,

832
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 2: and you know that starts adding up year after year. Now,

833
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: I think obviously the key question moving forward is how

834
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: you evaluate him between now and the end of the season,

835
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: and he must make enough progress when he does return

836
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: to the field for them to start next season or

837
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: next off season to say we still think he can

838
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: be the guy. I believe. You may already be at

839
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: a point where you have to consider the possibility of

840
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: bringing in competition and saying we still believe in him,

841
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 2: but we're gonna we're gonna create a little competition this time.

842
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: We'll see where this goes. But then that means you

843
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 2: got to find somebody who's willing to sign with you,

844
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: who's more than a pedestrian. That is saying, Okay, you

845
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: don't have to guarantee me the job either, just give

846
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: me a Shane has to compete. That ultimately is the

847
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones route, and to this point it's worked out,

848
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: although he's come back to the pack a little bit,

849
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: so we'll see. I want to thank our outstanding guest

850
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: lineup today, which included Luigi Johnny Athletic, Ben Leeber and

851
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: Adam Thielen. All of this podcastable later Tomorrow is Tuesday.

852
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: Louis is out, so I'm hoping Kevin Seffert. I'm hoping

853
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: we can get him in studio because there's still plenty

854
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 2: of meat on the Vikings bone as well, who knows

855
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: what else. Tomorrow, hope you'll join us, and hopefully we'll

856
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: have our bratch on Brian Cafe in text line fixed

857
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: by that as well. Enjoy the rest of the evening.

858
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you tomorrow. Three