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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the state of the American

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Speaker 2: conservative movement. I think that there are two centers of

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Speaker 2: there are two. The first is obvious. That's the White House.

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Speaker 2: It's where President Trump is and you don't even explain

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Speaker 2: why that would be a center of the universe. But

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Speaker 2: there's a second one, and that would be the non

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Speaker 2: government part of the conservative world, in other words, all

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Speaker 2: the rest of us. And I believe even after the

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Speaker 2: passing of passing is the wrong word, even after the

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Speaker 2: killing of Charlie Kirk, Turning Point is still the center

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Speaker 2: of the conservative universe. Turning Point is really the first

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Speaker 2: group that I can think of in which the right,

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Speaker 2: broadly speaking, was organized. The left has organized foreff They've

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Speaker 2: had lots of different groups that they've always been organized,

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Speaker 2: Part of the reason for that is they have all

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Speaker 2: of these people who are employees of nonprofits, and the

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Speaker 2: purpose of the nonprofit is basically to get more money

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Speaker 2: for themselves and elect democratic public officials. So therefore they

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Speaker 2: have all of this time to do the organizing and

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Speaker 2: do all of that works. Republicans, most conservatives have regular

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Speaker 2: old lives, hard to organize them, who's going to do it,

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Speaker 2: and so on? But Turning Point has done this. It

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Speaker 2: predominantly focuses on younger conservatives, but it's reach I think

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Speaker 2: hand knowledge of all of this. But when Turning Point

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Speaker 2: The term influencer is kind of overused, but it makes

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Speaker 2: because it's where the action is. Some didn't speak, probably

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Speaker 2: because Turning Point is always trying to perceive itself as

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Speaker 2: an umbrella organization tolerant of lots of views. So what

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Speaker 2: happened there, I think it's indicative of where the conservative

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Speaker 2: now if you want to see how the mainstream media

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Speaker 2: focuses on the conservative movement. It's stuff like this. There's

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Speaker 2: a headline js online preddition of the journal on Monday

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Speaker 2: have found that it is more important than ever to

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Speaker 2: most people are just behind, and when I say behind,

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Speaker 2: And they all do number them. They don't say the

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Speaker 2: So giving you a frame of reference of when this

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Speaker 2: in the Monday, December twenty second see newspaper. Here's the

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Speaker 2: hellline Mega clashes at turning point event see newspaper. Headline

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Speaker 2: writers are, by and large terrible. I was a headline editor.

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Speaker 2: I was the editor of my student newspaper, and one

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Speaker 2: Owans didn't speak. Now, if you've not followed this, there's

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Speaker 2: a reason that she didn't speak. Candie Owans has been

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Speaker 2: has essentially suggested that Charlie was killed by Turning Point people,

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Speaker 2: outside the tent. But Tucker Carlson did speak. Tucker Carlson

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Speaker 2: all out Marxist. Nonetheless, Pucker's all over this. Now, I

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Speaker 2: But I do have and again, everybody interprets things differently.

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Speaker 2: And then the bias comes in when I express my opinion. Now,

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Speaker 2: at Amfest America Fest. That's the Turnt group. Dead silence

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Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson spans his entire speech shilling for Islam. Zero cheers, crickets.

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Speaker 2: You could hear a pindrop Tucker Catarlson. That's a guy's name. See,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't work if you're pronounce Qatar Cutter the way

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Speaker 2: it's a pretty clever Tucker Catarlson. Okay, that's not bad.

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Speaker 2: But if you said Tucker Cutterlson, it wouldn't work. I've

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Speaker 2: though this is not my opinion, the man who once

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Speaker 2: paying attention to music and know nothing about hip hop

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Speaker 2: Nicki Minaj is a big deal. Again. The term influencer

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Speaker 2: what they have to say. You know, the Kardashians just

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Speaker 3: So, with regard to the current administration, what has been

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Speaker 2: has way more implications than the misdemeanor. The felony is

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00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: you know, you can't both as long as you're under

429
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: supervision for your punishment. They're just numerous sanctions that a

430
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 2: felony carries, that not a misdemeanor. And the defensive is saying,

431
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: but it was essentially the same crime. Now, my guess

432
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: is that they charged both because the prosecutors were fearing

433
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: that the jury didn't want to convict him the more

434
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 2: serious charge. They brought up the both, but they charged

435
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: they convicted on the more serious one. See, well, the

436
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: judge is gonna look at this is not making any sense.

437
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: How do you say that they're guilty of one or

438
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: not the other? Except that happens all the time. Secondly,

439
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: hardly ever, there's a judge. Often a judge will throw

440
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: out a case during the trial. They'll lobbies make a

441
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: motion before they go to the jury. We move, we

442
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: move for a not guilty ruttering in the basis of

443
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: overwhelming that clearly didn't do it. Very rare that a

444
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: judge after the jury convicts throws out the conviction. Further,

445
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: remember that Len Adelman was the judge who found probable

446
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,239
Speaker 2: cause for the case to proceed. Probable cause means just

447
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 2: that probably they did it. Didn't mean they did, but

448
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: probably they did it. If the judge doesn't find probable cause,

449
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 2: the case doesn't go to trial. So he already ruled that. Now,

450
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: the one thing I suppose you could say is that

451
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: lenninghem Is is as liberal a federal judges the areas in

452
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: the United States of America, and he's been a lot

453
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: of bad decisions over the years. But I haven't seen

454
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: anything in the way he handled this case, or in

455
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: the lead up or the run up to the case

456
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: that they indicated that he wouldn't. Secondly, it's certainly possible

457
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 2: that Adelman, as I say, as lefty as can be,

458
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: he recognizes that Hanna Dugan crossed the line that no

459
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: judge should cross. That this is clearly criminal conduct. Nonetheless,

460
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: it's what they're hanging their hat on. I've suggested that

461
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: she should tell her lawyers to drop this and instead

462
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: accept the guilty verdict and try to negotiate a deal

463
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: with the US Attorney's Office in which their recommendation will

464
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: be not for prison. In other words, that she accepted

465
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: aspirement retire as a judge, and the terms of the

466
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: probation that she gets includes giving up her law license

467
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: and giving up her judgeship in exchange for not going

468
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: to prison, which is, you know, sixty six year old woman,

469
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: she need to go to prison. Perhaps not, but the

470
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: conviction and the ruination of her career is punishment that's

471
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: out there. I would suggest that they do that rather

472
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: than continue this. But remember this, These lawyers are being

473
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: paid by a legal defense fund that has been bankrolled

474
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: by leftist doughters across the country. What happens if Dugan

475
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: accepts her guilt and ends the case. Their meter stops running.

476
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: It's like some of these people that have been going

477
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: to a psychologist or a psychiatrist for twenty five years,

478
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: what interest does the psychiatrist have in curing the person? Well,

479
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: that's right, and a lot of them, I mean, these

480
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: clients are like crack to them. Well you still okay,

481
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: we're making I keep saying we're making progress. We're making progress.

482
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: They're making twenty five years later, you're still You're still

483
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: a nut. Another component of the story. During the trial,

484
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: the clerk in Dugan's courtroom testified that when all of

485
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,479
Speaker 2: this was going on, when the ICE agents were in

486
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: the hallway, that the clerk his name is Alan Freed,

487
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: no relation to the dj who helped discover Rocket Roll,

488
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: just different Alan Freed. I probably didn't need to explain

489
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: that given the fact that they would mean that this

490
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: Allen Freed would be one hundred and sixty five years old.

491
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: This Allen Freed, the clerk yelled fascists at the ICE agents,

492
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: and he testified under oath during the trial that he

493
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: did yell this. He then had an interview with js

494
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: Online that they posted a video interview that they posted

495
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: on their website in which he said, I stand by it.

496
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: I did a little research today. The clerks do not

497
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: work directly for the judges. The judge will give instruction,

498
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: but the clerks work for the Clerk of the Circuit Court,

499
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: which is a separate elected office, and the Clerk of

500
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: the Circuit Court is the one that reviews the judicial clerks,

501
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: that makes the assignment. You work for this one, you

502
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: work for that one, and so on. The clerk of

503
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: the Circuit Court in Milwaukee County as Anna Maria Hodges,

504
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: spoke to her this morning and I asked her, are

505
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: you troubled by this? The clerk is an officer of

506
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: the court. The clerk is below the judge, but the

507
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: clerk is the person who is assisting the judge in

508
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: running the court. They take the same oath that the

509
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: judges take with regard to not showing bias. The following

510
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: comments are on the record from Anna Maria Hodges, the

511
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: court clerk. She said she found that the statement by

512
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: Freed was problematic. She emphasized the judges judge that clerks

513
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: like judges, are not to express their opinions in the

514
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: context of their jobs. Everybody has first of memory rights

515
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: and so on, but not within the context of doing

516
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: their job like in court, or in dealing with the court,

517
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: or on the court so forth, in the same fashion

518
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: as a judge. She said that I can't get into

519
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: personnel matters, but that this was discussed. She then told me, however,

520
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: that Freed was not fired, so whatever was discussed did

521
00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: not include termination. I'm not satisfy with that response. ICE

522
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: are law enforcement agents, trials, people who testify in court.

523
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: Tons of them are law enforcement agents. You have a

524
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: clear bias here from this clerk against law enforcement agents.

525
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: Is it only ICE agents that he consider fascists? Or

526
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: how about sheriff's deputies or US marshals are the FBI?

527
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: Are they fascists? Now? I don't know if Dugan requested

528
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: the guy or birds of a feather flock together, or

529
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: just that so many people in the courthouse are leftists,

530
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: but this whole thing of fascist fascist fascist fascist fascist fascists.

531
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: First of all, ICE agents are law enforcement employees who

532
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: are given orders as to which kinds of crimes to

533
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: investigate and act upon. Obviously, if you're in immigrations and

534
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: customs enforcement, most of your crimes are either going to

535
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: be related to immigrations or customs, which is bringing stuff

536
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: into the country illegally and so on, in the same

537
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: fashion that other law enforcement. You know, if you work

538
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: for the Coast Gun and you're doing enforcement on the water,

539
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: there's certain kinds of cases you're likely to get. But

540
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 2: many of these ICE agents were ICE agents during the

541
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: time that Biden was the president, when they were told

542
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: not to do anything. It's a despicable latitude, and it's

543
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: been part of this demonizing and dehumanizing of the people

544
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: who work for ICE, people who are simply enforcing federal

545
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: law under orders and direction, and to have a clerk

546
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: for a judge. Obviously, Dogan's actions of defying a warrant

547
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: were felonious behavior, but even Dugan didn't run out and

548
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: start yelling at them that they're fascist and said she

549
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 2: can't cond in bambooslet them and sent them out to

550
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: the Chief Judge's office when she can hide it, when

551
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: she can hide and a guy that was facing violent

552
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: crime charges in her own courtroom. Now to the on

553
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: the border case, I find this very interesting. First of all,

554
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: I find all salacious stories and the local news. If

555
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: this was somewhere like in Texas, I wouldn't find it

556
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: interesting for those I mean, I would think if you're

557
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: in southeastern Wisconsin, everybody's heard of on the border, wouldn't you,

558
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: because you can't drive on Interstate ninety four without seeing

559
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: their billboards, And you know, if you're one of with

560
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: the borders, it's on the Milwaukee we're seeing county line.

561
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: It's north of it's in Milwaukee County and Franklin, but

562
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: north of the line. And that's the term on the

563
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: border comes from Glass. It's a play on the old

564
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: and the old thing. It's as gentlemen's club as we

565
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: used to When I was younger, we called them joints.

566
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: Now they're called gentlemen's club. To Gussie the whole thing up,

567
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: and I guess there's probably some truth to that. I mean,

568
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: the strip joints I recall from when I was younger

569
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: were basically bars that had a stage in which some

570
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: woman was bopping around in a pool. Now they're like

571
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: these massive things at high end drinks and so on.

572
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: The word forever, and I just hear the word I

573
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: get around the word forever is is that on the

574
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: border with a whorehouse. I've heard this forever that everybody,

575
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: and not all of those strip clubs are. It basically

576
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: depends on what the attitude of the law enforcement is

577
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: in the community. If the city that the place is

578
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 2: located in doesn't want this, they don't tolerate it because

579
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: the place can then lose its liquor license. If the

580
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: city's kind of okay with it, the stuff's gonna go on.

581
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: And I've just heard forever and ever and ever that

582
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: on the Border was one of those clubs that if

583
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: you wanted to have prostitution for a tip, you could

584
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: go into a room. Now, I made the decision for

585
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: a zillion reasons after I came to Milwaukee, that I

586
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 2: can't ever be seen in a stript joint. I even

587
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 2: dodged friend of mine. This goes back thirty five years

588
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: or so. A friend of mine was getting married and

589
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: they had a party for him, like in the middle

590
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: of nowhere near Milwaukee. But they're going to stop at

591
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: a strip drint and I couldn't. It was a bachelor party,

592
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 2: and I said I can't go. There's nowhere in Milwaukee,

593
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: and people didn't understand. I just mark BELLI would say, so,

594
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: of course I'm not in one of those places. But

595
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: way back in the day when I'm I was at

596
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: a few of these joints. I know the Drill, and

597
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: it's the most notorious strip joint that I've ever seen.

598
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: Is there's a place this is. I'm going to tell

599
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: this story, though I think I've told the story back

600
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: in the old radio show a couple of times. Way

601
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: back when I was in Oshkosh, which was nineteen seventy nine.

602
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: You believe that people are thinking, how old are you?

603
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: One hundred and fifteen. Yes, they had this place that

604
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: was on the edge of town in Oshkosh. It was

605
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: actually west of now Interstate forty one. It was then

606
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: Highway forty one. It was called the Loft. It was

607
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: just a barn and they converted it into a strip joid,

608
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: I mean the guy had. The guy who owned it

609
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: was a guy named Kenny. I don't remember the last name,

610
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: but his name was Kenny. This is the most notorious

611
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: place part in the history of the world. He made

612
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: an incredibly shrewd decision. He didn't ask for a liquor license.

613
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: Now you have to think about why he didn't ask

614
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: for a liquor license. Why do you think he didn't

615
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: ask for a liquor license. No liquor licenses, you gotta close,

616
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: like it at two o'clock or whatever it ever and ever,

617
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 2: he was open all night. He could bring if you're

618
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: just a place, you don't have to close at two

619
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning. So he had this deal in

620
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 2: which he would sell like tomato juice for twenty dollars

621
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 2: and in exchange you got to see and what they

622
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 2: had at the place was absolute total nudity. It was

623
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: as notorious as this is what I was working an

624
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: ashcars and you hear about this all the time, that

625
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 2: out of town guys, because the locals all knew better.

626
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: You know, you'd pay for the lap dance and all

627
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: of that stuff, and now you pay for the special

628
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: thing back of the room. And it was a lot

629
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: of money. And what do you think went on in

630
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: the back of the room, Paul, Yes, actually no, no,

631
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: see this guy, as he said, this guy Kenny, who

632
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: ran the polace, he was brilliant. No, it took him

633
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 2: to the back of the room that smooched the bet

634
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: and then the girl just left and the guy is out,

635
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: like the three hundred and fifty dollars, what's he gonna do?

636
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 2: I mean, some of them every now and then you'd

637
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: see one of these idiots complained to the police. So

638
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: the police would say, you don't realize that prostitution is illegal.

639
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: If you file this complaint, you were admitting to a crime.

640
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: Even though you didn't get anything. You were admitting that

641
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 2: you solicited for prostitutions. So they was goin so their

642
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: admission that they were that they paid for this even

643
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: though they didn't get it would be criminal in and

644
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: of itself. I'm just saying there was, and so Kenny

645
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: never got me. There was not prostitution going on in

646
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: the place. There was just the lap dancing and all

647
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: of that stuff. It was just the license to print money.

648
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: The place is I actually think the barn is still there,

649
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: but it's been closed forever. But the old timer some

650
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: Monashkosh will have remembered the Lavet all right, what they

651
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: do have strip join. But I'm just saying this one

652
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: was unusual in that it didn't ever liqu her license

653
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: in I don't know how long it was open, but

654
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: it's opened the year that I worked in Nashkosh, which

655
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: is seventy nine, and we just would hear about this

656
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: stuff all the time. I actually don't remember. I can't

657
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: say that I would have been above going to one

658
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: of those places. I was twenty two years old. I mean,

659
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I just don't remember if I was

660
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: ever in there. I could tell you an arts performing

661
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: center story too, I tell you stories. Anyway. Let's get

662
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: to that onto the I've just heard forever that on

663
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 2: the border was one of those places where you could

664
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: get sex. There was a big criminal complaint that was

665
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: filed against several guys accused of pimping out of on

666
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 2: the border and one of the managers. The criminal complaint

667
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: was based apparently on an investigation, and you read the

668
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 2: complaint that went on for five years. Now why five years?

669
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 2: There's two theories I have one. Only rarely would anybody talk,

670
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: and they never felt that they had enough that was

671
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: believable enough to go to trial with. Secondly, this is

672
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: the one I lean to. Franklin officials decided that they

673
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 2: were perfectly fine with this until they weren't. Now why

674
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: would they not be fine with it? Right now? Paul,

675
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: here you go to do you don't know? See, I

676
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: have the advantage of this advantage of having an incredible

677
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 2: cynical now you Paul Olive and Paul, I don't think

678
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: knows that it. Paul lives north and I know that

679
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: area and what goes on down there a little bit

680
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: more than most because I've driven south of ninety four forever.

681
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: It ever and ever, this is very very close to

682
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: where the BUCkies is gonna be, and the BUCkies is

683
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: it's not a truck stop. I think I've miscidentified it

684
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: is that we'll first discussed this months ago. It's like

685
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: a truck stop, except there's not trucks. It is a

686
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: massive beyond. It's like a bass pro shops kind of thing,

687
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: but it's like for roadside travelers and so on. It's

688
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 2: a huge deal and it's it's family orient. It's right

689
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 2: by Worthy on the board. Is it now that Franklin

690
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: wants to IgE? I just wonder about the timing of

691
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: all of this. And I also wonder, given what we've

692
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: heard about the less than above board annex of certain

693
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 2: public officials in Franklin, whether or not there was a

694
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 2: looking the other way forever anyway. From the criminal complaint,

695
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: one of the individuals that's charged is the manager, Brian Hopkins.

696
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: Interest the owner wasn't charged. I don't know if charges

697
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: that'll come, or if he's cooperating or what the deal is.

698
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: But the manager, Brian Hopkins is charged to I'm going

699
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: to quote for there's several pimps that are charged as well,

700
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 2: and they were accused of basically doing their pimping out

701
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: of the club that the dancers were working for them.

702
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: They'd take their money and they worked in combination with

703
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: the club. It's in the criminal complainant Brian Hopkins, the manager.

704
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to read this complainant, and again, the complainant

705
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 2: is a police officer from Franklin. Complainant knows Brian Hopkins

706
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: is one of the head managers at OTB OTB on

707
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: the Border. Neither Hopkins nor OTB prevented or stopped the

708
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: commercial sex acts from occurring within the business. And again,

709
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: this is a criminal complaint. Doesn't mean it's true, but

710
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: it's what's being alleged. OTB only required that employees like bouncers,

711
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: bartenders and DJs get a tip once the sex acts

712
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: were complete from the female that performed the sex act. Honor.

713
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: Around November sixteen, twenty twenty two, a source described OTB

714
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: as a whorehouse with owner Danny Hay He's named in

715
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: the complaints, so i'll name him, and manager Brian Hopkins.

716
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: The witness stated customers can get any second act they

717
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: want inside OTB. Additionally, the witness reported the females that

718
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: have traffickers usually see the traffickers in the club later

719
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: in the evening and close at a closing time. Yeah,

720
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: I imagine Honor about February twenty seven, twenty twenty. Now

721
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 2: that's five years ago, a former worker at OTB stated,

722
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: so they've been getting this information forever. A former work

723
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: at OTB stated that sex trafficking takes place inside the club.

724
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 2: At OTB management is aware of it and benefits from

725
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: it by receiving a tip from the females for the

726
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: sex states. These sex states take place in the private

727
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: dance rooms, so it appears the customers are receiving a

728
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: private dance, but instead the customers are paying for sexual acts.

729
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 2: The witness explained that either the dancer or the customer

730
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: will tip the DJs in bouncer's money. They will turn

731
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: down the lights in the VIP room so a sex

732
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: act can take place and not be visible on the

733
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 2: security cameras. Complainant is aware that OTB is publicly known

734
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: for allowing sex acts to occur inside the club, at

735
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 2: leastaid publicly not. I mean, I knew it, and I've

736
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: ever been there. I just have heard this, and I've

737
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: heard that this is not allowed at most of the

738
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: other local strip clubs. There's a certain one run by

739
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: a certain family, one of whose members is now in

740
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: prison right now, where I was told that this go

741
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: go on, but at some of the others, I've just

742
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 2: told that no, because the police wouldn't tolerate it. That

743
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: they say you can't do any of it anyway. Complaintives

744
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: have observed OTB discussing on USA sex guides and online

745
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: forum where individuals post statements alluding to the availability alluding

746
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: to the availability of sex acts inside the club and

747
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: though the people posted on this this is where you

748
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: go off here in Milwaukee. You go to on the board.

749
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: You can do it right in there and they post

750
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: the number the back to the complaint. In October of

751
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, Franklin p D received an anonymous handwritten letter.

752
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: The letter explained how the writer, an anonymous male, stopped

753
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: it on the border several months ago and paid for

754
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: a lap dance. During the course of the lap dance,

755
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: the female dancer performed a sexual act on the other

756
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 2: on the anonymous male. Anonymous mails stated that the letter

757
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: is stated in the letter that the club OTB seemed

758
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: to openly allow prostitution to take place inside the business location.

759
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: On March twenty seven, twenty twenty three. Again, this is

760
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: now two and a five years ago. A trash poll

761
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: was conducted from three dumpsters from OTB. I gotta admit,

762
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: how do you like to be the cop that's assigned

763
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: that job? Do you want to go to the dumpster

764
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: and on the border during the trash pole, fourteen condom

765
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: wrappers and three used condoms were found. I just okay,

766
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: imagine being the guy. I know they got gloves on

767
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: and all this. You're the guy bagging the used condom

768
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: and putting in the Now again, I find this interesting.

769
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: This isn't twenty twenty three. These charges are coming out Hopkins,

770
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: that's the manager. Hopkins' knowledge of these pimps is evident,

771
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: with Hopkins being mentioned in the following Instagram conversation obtained

772
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: from Durant. That's another alleged defendant here Instagram account, and

773
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: they pull off of Instagram a conversation that two of

774
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: them have about what you're allowing here and what you're

775
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 2: allowing here and so on, and it's very damning to Hopkins'

776
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: knowledge of this. And then continuing from the complain, it

777
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: was well known amongst employees that danced at OTB that

778
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: if Hopkins fired them from working inside OTB, then they

779
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 2: could pay Hopkins to get their job back. So again

780
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: the complaint is saying that Hopkins would fire you and

781
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 2: then extort you and you have to pay them and

782
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: you get money to get your job back. Should have

783
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 2: tried this with you, Paul, you're fired, as Paul, Paul Paddick.

784
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: What is he gonna do? Paul, give me a hundred bucks?

785
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: I got thought of it. You're ready hired. I know,

786
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: I'm guessing that one hundred is probably what the going

787
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: rate might have been on the border. I don't what

788
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: do I know. An employee witness stated that the money

789
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: would have to be at least several thousand dows my

790
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: goodness to get their jobs back, and then they quote

791
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: several of the complaining witnesses who are former employees. TP

792
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: was informed by Hopkins that if she was fired from

793
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 2: on the Border, she would then owe him three thousand dollars. kW.

794
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: Another one was fired from on the Border by Hopkins

795
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 2: for not tipping well enough. Fly that's the nickname of

796
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: any other person indicted here, spoke to Hopkins about kW

797
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: getting her job back. Fly then gave kW twenty five

798
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 2: hundred dollars in cash. The kW gave to Hopkins. And again,

799
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: these are all simply allegations. They're in the criminal complaint.

800
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: I'll move forward here after the meeting between Hopkins, Durant,

801
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: and VD. Durant is again one of the four people

802
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: that's criminally charged. One of Durant's girls, Mocha, known to

803
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 2: law enforcement as VT, got her job back at On

804
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 2: the Border. MM heard that VT had to pay approximately

805
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 2: forty five hundred dollars to Hopkins to get her job back.

806
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: Complaint is also aware of On the Border being notorious

807
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: for pimps to receive girls from on the border, and

808
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 2: these girls continue to work it on the border while

809
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 2: under the direction of a pimp. So again, this cheminal

810
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: complaint is saying that that the pimps were working with

811
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 2: on the Border to pimp out and traffic these women.

812
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: Based on the above statements, the complaint and Planet's examination

813
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: of review of otb's left by customers, complaints known that

814
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 2: OTB is a place where persons habitually engage in non

815
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: marital sex acts. Complainant also knows, based on his knowledge

816
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: and involvement in this investigation, that Hopkins exercises management or

817
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: control over on the Border. On the Border put out

818
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: a statement and relates to the indictment. We've been a

819
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: long time business here in the community, so forth and

820
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,959
Speaker 2: so on. So anyway, these criminal charges are now done

821
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: against three of the alleged pimps and the manager of

822
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: the place. They're filed in Milwaukee County Circuit Court. They

823
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: certainly would be grounds for a revocation of the liquor license.

824
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: And given the fact that, as the complaint is, by

825
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: the way, posted on billing dot com by website for

826
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: those of you that want to get into all of this,

827
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: much of this information is several years old. And I

828
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: asked the question of why now, And given that this

829
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: is Franklin, and Franklin is either cozy with a business

830
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: or not cozy with a business, there may be a

831
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: reason not to be cozy with the business right now.

832
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: But as I say, anybody who's kind of heard anything

833
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: that sort of just hears things around here has heard

834
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: forever that this kind of stuff was a regular occurrence

835
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 2: at on the border. This is the Mark Belling podcast.

836
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: This is the Mark Belling Podcast. One of the statements

837
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: that's just been jammed down our throats is fact is

838
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: that the twenty twenty election was on the up and up.

839
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: Any claims of election irregularities are unfounded, untrue. One of

840
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: the people that refused us to shut up about this

841
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: is Trump. We've had a development over the last week

842
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: that's quite interesting. We now have open evidence of drastic

843
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: irregularities in the election in Georgia in twenty twenty. There

844
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: are people that simply never let this drop. Fulton County.

845
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: Fulton County is the Atlanta area. It is now, after

846
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 2: all these years, admitting that they that they violated the

847
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: rules in twenty twenty when they certified three hundred and

848
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 2: fifteen thousand early votes that lacked poll workers signatures. No,

849
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: when you early vote, which would mean often voting in person,

850
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: but prior to election day, as I vote, the poll

851
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 2: worker signs their name on the outside of the ballot,

852
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Speaker 2: and you sign your name lacking a signature like this,

853
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: who knows where the ballot came from, but the poll

854
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 2: worker's signature. And again, anybody can fake a signature, but

855
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: the poll workers signature or the poll worker signature you

856
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: can tie to that poll worker is the check that

857
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: exists on these ballots. Fulton County is now admitting that

858
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifteen thousand, that's a huge number of

859
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: the early votes did not have a poll worker signature.

860
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: It's possible the poll workers didn't know they had a

861
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: sign and they were so overwhelmed at the early voting

862
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: that they just took the envelope without the signature. But

863
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: by law, you can't count. This is wisconsitut. You can't

864
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Speaker 2: count a ballot that does not have the poll worker signature,

865
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Speaker 2: or if you mail it in the witness signature, you can't.

866
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 2: Fulton County is admitting that they did this. Now, does

867
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: this mean that none of these people were actual people voted, No,

868
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: But it does mean the votes shouldn't have been counted.

869
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: It's the most blatant violation of election law that you

870
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 2: could imagine. The Secretary of State also found that Fulton

871
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: County violated official election processes. Here's a post on exem

872
00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: Fisher King. Remember that Trump was indicted for pressure uhuring

873
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 2: Georgia's Secretary of State Brad Raffensburger to investigate election integrity

874
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: to state. You recall that one of the state that

875
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 2: Trump was hammering on the most and is objecting in

876
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty and early twenty twenty one was Georgia. He

877
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: had that famous phone call with the secondary of State

878
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: Brad Raffensberger. Trump was indicted on this. This is one

879
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 2: of the charges by which he was brought criminal charges

880
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: against him by Fannie Willistown in Georgia for trying to

881
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 2: change the results of the election. We now have reason

882
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: for Trump to be pounding that there should be an investigation.

883
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 2: As I've said forever, the truth always comes out. Often

884
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: it comes out. Everybody kind of shrugs their shoulders and

885
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 2: says they've all moved on. But the truth is coming

886
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: out that there were votes that clearly should not have

887
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 2: been counted in Georgia. Now, I'll point out this does

888
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 2: not mean Trump would have won the twenty twenty election,

889
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: because Georgia in and of itself would not have swung

890
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: the election. However, it's certainly an indication that the people

891
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 2: said nothing to a missing something, did a miss occur?

892
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 2: Kyle Nebecker posting an ex Fulton County does not contest

893
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 2: that at least three hundred, fifteen thousand votes were illegally

894
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 2: counted in the twenty twenty election. We're not talking about

895
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: a few hundred votes, three hundred and fifteen thousand Biden,

896
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: they say one Georgia by eleven thousand votes kind of

897
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 2: puts that Fannie Willis Law fair suit claiming Trump engaged

898
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: in a conspiracy to contest the Georgia election in a

899
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 2: whole new light, does it. Meanwhile, back in Wisconsin, the

900
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: US Department of Justice has asked the Wisconsin Election Commission

901
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: to see the state's voter rolls. The Wisconsin Election Commission,

902
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: remember three Democrats, three Republicans, has refused to turn these

903
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: over to the Department of Justice. They claim state law

904
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: does not allowed them to do so. Well, whether it

905
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: does or it doesn't, the United States Department of Justice

906
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 2: has the right to investigate whether or not individual states

907
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: are violating the law. By that token, we'd still have

908
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 2: the South segregated. If when the United States Department of

909
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: Justice when Bobby Kennedy showed up in the state of

910
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: the Mississippi or Alabama to present an indictment to the governor,

911
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: the federal government's laws dual hold sway federal government can

912
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 2: claim the election laws are being violated. Wisconsin Election Commission

913
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 2: is not turning over the voter rolls. The vote was

914
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: five to one. The one who voted to do turn

915
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 2: it over correct vote was Bob Spindell. Republican. Bob Spindell

916
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: is the only member of the Election Commission who has

917
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 2: consistently stood up for election integrity. He's the Milwaukee County

918
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 2: Republican Chairman, and he's the appointee of the state Republican.

919
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: Republican State Senate Don millis the appointee of Robin Voss.

920
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 2: He voted not to turn it over. And Marge Bosselman,

921
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 2: retired clerk who's designated as a Republican but always the

922
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: votes with the Democrats are virtualized votes of the Democrats.

923
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 2: She voted not to turn it over. The Trump administration

924
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: Department of Justice wants to look into whether or not

925
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 2: the voter roles are all screwed up, are the proper identification,

926
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: driver's license numbers can do verifying, and so on, the

927
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 2: kind of investigation that many of us have called for now.

928
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: I've argued forever that the problem Wisconsin isn't so much

929
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: the voter roles as it is same day registration. Because

930
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: same day registration there's no check at all. Person registers

931
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: the same day, they give them a ballot two minutes later.

932
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 2: Anybody can pull off a scam there with a fake identification.

933
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 2: But what those people are then on the voter rolls,

934
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 2: you can at least after the fact, know that they

935
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: were there. I am telling you that I don't buy

936
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 2: this argument that state law doesn't allow them to turn

937
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 2: it over. I believe the Election Commission does not want

938
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 2: to turn these voter rolls over because they are fearful

939
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 2: that the voter roles will be exposed by the Department

940
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: of Justice. Is being all screwed up. It is a

941
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: disgrace that the two Republicans Millis and Bosselman joined in

942
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 2: voting against this without regard to what state law says.

943
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 2: When the FBI or the DOJ come in and are

944
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: conducting a criminal investigation into whether or not you're branking

945
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: the law, you should be cooperating with that investigation. You

946
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: can't say we're not allowed to turn over the information

947
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: of the criminal behavior that we're engaged in. This is

948
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: a story that's not going to go away. Several conservative

949
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: organizations in Wisconsin have joined in on this. Wisconsin Institute

950
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: of Law and Liberty and the Maciper Institute have both

951
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: published statements in support of the DOJ investigation, drawing attention

952
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: to their own concerns about the integrity of the voter rules.

953
00:57:52,640 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: In the state of Wisconsin. They've identified the shooter at

954
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: Brown University. There's still not a lot of detail here,

955
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: but he was found dead. He's a guy who entered

956
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 2: the United States in twenty seventeen under the lottery that

957
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 2: was in place for immigrants to come into the United States.

958
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: He's Portuguese. He's also been identified as a suspect in

959
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: the shooting at MIT of an MIT professor, and it's

960
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: worth noting that that professor was Portuguese as well. Do

961
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: you see how they found the body and connected this?

962
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: They found him at a storagein You're right about this.

963
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 2: He was the guy who tipped them off as the

964
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: homeless guy who was living in the engineering building at

965
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: Brown University. The DEI police chief there and the DEI

966
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: police chief in Providence, Rhode Island, they couldn't find deadley squad.

967
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: It took a homeless guy to be able to crack

968
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: the case. But still there are questions now. Laura Lomer

969
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: is a conservative conspiracy theorist. I don't endorse everything she

970
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: has to say, and for a lot of people she's

971
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 2: over the edge. But the post that she makes here

972
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 2: just because you're over the edge on some things doesn't

973
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: mean that you don't put things clearly on others. Here's

974
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: what she posted. The Providence, Rhode Island Police Achie chief

975
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: of Police, said the Brown University shooter was a Portuguese

976
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 2: national named Claudio Nevas Valenti. He was forty eight years

977
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 2: old and his last address was listed in Miami, Florida.

978
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 2: The shooter was an immigrant student and a Muslim who

979
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: shouted Alahu alahu akbar. That is why Brown covered it up.

980
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: They wanted to prodect an immigrant student. They should be

981
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 2: held accountable. Now we don't know if that's why they

982
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 2: covered it up, but we have heard, however, that numerous

983
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: students who were in the area were never interviewed by

984
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: the police. It's possible that the Brown police were a

985
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 2: bunch of d bozos who didn't know anything about police

986
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 2: or whose big idea of law enforcement was to make

987
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 2: sure that somebody wasn't sneaking beer into the dorm at

988
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 2: three o'clock in the morning. Maybe they were just incompetent hacks.

989
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 2: But if indeed the alahu akbar statement was made, it

990
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 2: certainly would be an explanation as to why Brown would

991
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 2: not ask about it. If you don't ask something you

992
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: can't hear, an answer that you don't want to hear.

993
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: It draws attention, however, to the absurdity of the person

994
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: of interest, the young man from Cedarberg, who was named

995
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 2: all over the media for whom we would have no idea,

996
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 2: no reason to believe that he would espouse any of

997
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 2: these ideas. Yet that said they were after and now

998
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 2: we hear that there's this guy who's Portuguese and apparently

999
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: a Muslim yelling Alahu Akbar and may have been suspected

1000
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: in the killing of an MIT professor. There is also

1001
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 2: now strong reason to believe that Ellikook, the female who

1002
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 2: was killed here, was the target of all of this.

1003
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 2: There is now information and again you have a lot

1004
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 2: of Internet salutes who are digging into things and finding

1005
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 2: information that the cops didn't come up with. The meeting

1006
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 2: that she had was not a regularly scheduled academic session,

1007
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 2: what is a private one on one session, and the

1008
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 2: shooter may have had knowledge that she was going to

1009
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 2: be there. So if you had an execution of a

1010
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: student who was Christian by a guy that's yelling out

1011
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 2: a prominent statement issued by Muslim terrorists before they commit

1012
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 2: an act of terror. And it's only uncovered because a

1013
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: guy who's living in the engineering building at Brown was

1014
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 2: aware of what was going on behind the scenes. What

1015
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: an indictment that was. But there's another question that needs

1016
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 2: to be asked here. I tend to ask questions that

1017
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 2: people don't like to ask. Are we just accepting that

1018
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 2: a major university has a homeless person living in an

1019
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 2: engineering building? Is that not a security risk of all

1020
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 2: the buildings? I mean, these Ivy League universities have been

1021
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 2: so overcome by DEEI and leftism that they have become

1022
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 2: run idiotically. The cops are idiots, the professor is an idiot,

1023
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 2: the university president is an idiot. And aside from reviews

1024
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 2: and what to do with homeless people, it is certainly

1025
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 2: a security risk to allow someone access in the middle

1026
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 2: of the night to a building with potentially as much

1027
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 2: I would say dangerous stuff in it as the department

1028
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 2: of engineering. Let me turn my attention now. There's going

1029
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: to be a follow up on this in segment three.

1030
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 2: I have put off until right now saying the word

1031
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: Chicago bears at all. I'm doing the podcast on Monday.

1032
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you this whole state other than Bear fans.

1033
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: We're in a totally crabby Muda on Sunday. There's a

1034
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 2: separate story, though about the Bears that's worthy of discussion.

1035
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: Illinois is run by JB. Pritzker. He's also going to

1036
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 2: run for governor, excuse me, for president. You can make

1037
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 2: a great argument as to which state is more screwed up,

1038
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 2: Illinois or California. They're both screwed up. JB. Pritzker, however,

1039
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 2: has claimed forever that Illinois is a great state for business.

1040
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 2: The Chicago Bears, for several years now, have wanted to

1041
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: build a new football stadium. The city of Chicago wants

1042
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: them to stay in the city of Chicago. The Bears,

1043
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: not surprisingly, want to get out of Chicago. Soldier Field's

1044
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 2: a dump, It's a bad location. The stadium is the

1045
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 2: smallest in the NFL. There's no parking, Chicago's crime infested.

1046
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,479
Speaker 2: A number of years ago, they bought the Arlington Park

1047
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 2: racetrack in Arlington Heights and tore it down. That has

1048
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 2: been their desired location ever since. The deal, however, simply

1049
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 2: has not gone forward. The Bears want a clarification of

1050
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 2: what the property taxes are going to be on the

1051
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 2: property Essentially, they're looking for a tax break and they

1052
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: haven't gotten one from the state of Illinois. So the

1053
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 2: Bears are sitting there now for years, unable to move

1054
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 2: forward and building a new stadium. The Bears last week.

1055
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 2: This is prior to the Packer game. And again, I'm

1056
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 2: not even sympathizing with the Bears. Anything bad that happens

1057
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 2: to them right now is perfectly fine with me. But

1058
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 2: it's a description of how screwed up Illinois is. The

1059
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: Bears made the decision to essentially put the Arlington Heights

1060
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 2: plan that they've been trying to move forward with for

1061
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 2: years on hold, and they are saying that they are

1062
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 2: looking at alternate sites, and the top of their list

1063
01:04:55,280 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 2: of alternate sites is moving to Indiana. You look at

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01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 2: a map of Chicago, the northwestern corner of Indiana is

1065
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 2: really the Chicago suburbs, Gary, Hammond, so on. Hammond is

1066
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 2: a rather nice city. Indiana was one of the leaders

1067
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 2: in having casino development, and so on. Hammond is a

1068
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 2: rather progressive city. Indiana has a Republican governor, and so on,

1069
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 2: and they're considering Hammond. If you look at a map

1070
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 2: of Chicago they have for free, it's either ninety or

1071
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 2: ninety four. I forget which one it is. The Chicago

1072
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 2: Skyway is an offshoot of the freeway system down there,

1073
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 2: and it's the one that really skirts right along Lake

1074
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 2: Michigan on an angle heading from downtown Chicago into northeastern Illinois.

1075
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 2: It's either ninety or ninety four, and I forget whichever

1076
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 2: one of the other one it is. But there's freeway

1077
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 2: access there from the Chicago area, and for the South

1078
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 2: suburbs of Chicago, it's more convenient than Soldier Field. And

1079
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 2: some people believe that they're just bluffing by bringing up

1080
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: the Indiana thing and an attempt to get Illinois back

1081
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 2: to the bargaining table on this to try to jump

1082
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 2: start all of this. But the reality is is that

1083
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 2: Illinois will hand out welfare to everybody under the sun.

1084
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 2: They will coddle criminals like crazy. But they've got a

1085
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 2: sports team here, the Bears, that can't get a stadium

1086
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 2: built in as far as I apparently, the Bears are

1087
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 2: not looking for cash subsidies, or maybe they're looking for some,

1088
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 2: but mostly they want to have the tax situation clarified.

1089
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: Is to move forward in Island to Knights because the

1090
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 2: footprint for the stadium would be absolutely huge. I think

1091
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: that they're looking to get out of paying property taxes.

1092
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 2: They're having a limit on it, but they want to

1093
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 2: know what the number is before they move forward here,

1094
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 2: and Illinois just isn't playing ball with them, so they

1095
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 2: say that they're going to look at northwestern Indiana. It's

1096
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: the same thing in California, and in this case it's

1097
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 2: the Bears. But no matter what it is, these leftist

1098
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 2: states just can't bring themselves to be friendly to business.

1099
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 2: Right now, if you want and outside the box thought

1100
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 2: of this, I'm going to suggest something outside the box.

1101
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 2: But make a clear I am not in favor of

1102
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 2: my outside the box thing. You have no ability to

1103
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 2: think outside the box. I have another I have another

1104
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 2: solution for the Bears. I'm not in favor of it.

1105
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna throw it out there, all right. They're

1106
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 2: willing to look at northwestern Indiana, right it's close enough

1107
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 2: to Chicago there are the most affluent bearer. Chicago is

1108
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 2: one of those communities in which the north suburbs tend

1109
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 2: to be much richer than the south suburbs. You know,

1110
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 2: Lake Forest, Barrington, all of that stuff, and not totally

1111
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: different from what it is in Milwaukee. You do have

1112
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 2: that dog track property in Kenosha County. They wouldn't have

1113
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 2: to change the name. They could still call themselves the

1114
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 2: Chicago Bears. The New England Patriots are nowhere near Boss

1115
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 2: Boston when they're in Foxborough. If they're thinking about Indiana,

1116
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 2: they could build this thing in Kenosha. It hads right

1117
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 2: there on the freeway, incredible land available. You could tie

1118
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 2: it into a casino development, and it's probably more convenient

1119
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 2: to the bulk of Bear fans to get to than

1120
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 2: try to fight through that. I mean, just try to

1121
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 2: try to get to Soldier Field. It's hard to even

1122
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 2: get there, you know, in mass transit, because it's underneath

1123
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 2: the freeway. You got to go under the ground. There's

1124
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 2: no parking on the site or anything or another. Now,

1125
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 2: I do not want the Bears in the state of Wisconsin,

1126
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 2: and I think that the packers would object because the

1127
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,959
Speaker 2: Milwaukee market is part of their thing. But the location

1128
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 2: is a location that would be probably almost as close

1129
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 2: to downtown Chicago as the Indiana one. It would be

1130
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 2: farther away but close enough to their fan base and

1131
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 2: so on, and it would be an outside the box

1132
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 2: solution not one that I'm in favorable. At some point,

1133
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 2: something's going to happen with that old dog Track site.

1134
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,560
Speaker 2: The monominees in the seminoles still want it to be

1135
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 2: a casino, But the reason nothing's happened is it's kind

1136
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 2: of on hold, waiting for Tony Evers to bleep or

1137
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 2: get off the pot so President Trump can greenlighted to

1138
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: go ahead and be a casino, which would mean having

1139
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,799
Speaker 2: to get the pot of watavies to agree to something

1140
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 2: in exchange for this, And I've suggested that you hold

1141
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: the sports betting thing over their head to green light

1142
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 2: the casino thing. But in the meantime, Kenosha County is

1143
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 2: being developed all up and down that strip at the

1144
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 2: old dog track site right in the middle of the

1145
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,759
Speaker 2: county there is still being held open because of the

1146
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 2: potential that at some point it would become a casino.

1147
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 2: Imagine if you had the Bears. Though I don't want

1148
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 2: them down there. I don't want to drive past the

1149
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 2: stupid Bear state, and I don't want to have anything

1150
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 2: to do with them, But from the perspective of the Bears,

1151
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 2: I think that that location would be as ideal as

1152
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 2: Northwestern and I know why they want to go to

1153
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 2: Arlington Heights in the first place. They want to get

1154
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 2: out to the suburbs, their fan bases out there on

1155
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 2: their suburbs. Dealing with anything in the city of Chicago

1156
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 2: is an absolute mess. They want to be able to

1157
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 2: have parking, they want to have tailgating, and they just

1158
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 2: You're in a situation, though, and every other business in

1159
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 2: the state of Villain I can relate to this. Trying

1160
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 2: to do business with the state of Illinois, if you're

1161
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 2: an existing business there is impossible. Just as it's impossible

1162
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 2: in California and impossible in it It's going to be

1163
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 2: impossible in New York. Mannontti takes over. Democrats simply can't

1164
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 2: work with business, no matter what the business is. You're

1165
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 2: listening to the Markedlling podcast. This is the Markedelling podcast.

1166
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 2: This is a ps to the discussion that we had

1167
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 2: a moment ago about the Bears in Chicago and so on.

1168
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 2: Interesting story here. You may recall that I forget when

1169
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 2: it was. It seems to me that it was about

1170
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 2: twenty five years ago that Boing moved its headquarters to Chicago.

1171
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 2: They're still a big manufacturing plant in watching It state,

1172
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 2: but they moved their head quarters to Chicago. They initially

1173
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 2: lease space and then they bought the building. It's called

1174
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 2: Riverside Plaza. They bought it for one hundred and sixty

1175
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 2: five million dollars in two thousand and five. Boeing has

1176
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 2: since moved out of the building. Not surprisingly, Boeing bugged

1177
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 2: out of Chicago as quickly as they bugged in. Everybody's

1178
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 2: getting out of Chicago. Do you know what? Boeing sold

1179
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 2: that building for twenty two million. They lost one hundred

1180
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: and forty three million on the deal. The building is

1181
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 2: worth about fourteen percent of what it was when they

1182
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 2: bought it. I'm not going to be labor this, but

1183
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 2: I have some observations of the bare Packer game. Everybody's

1184
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 2: making this comparison, and I'm going to chime in because

1185
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 2: it's just apped to me. This game was the exact

1186
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 2: same thing. Is what happened to the Packers in that

1187
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 2: playoff game against Seattle in twenty fifteen, the game in

1188
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 2: which the Packers had the huge lead, and I mean

1189
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 2: everything was the same. There was a huge lead late

1190
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 2: in the game, you dominated the other team for fifty

1191
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 2: eight minutes. There was a muffed on side kick in

1192
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,520
Speaker 2: the middle of the thing, which led to it overtime

1193
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 2: and then the other teams going to tell And I

1194
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 2: mean it was just a mirror example. But that was

1195
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 2: my takeaway from the game is in order for the

1196
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 2: Bears to win, about twelve things had to go wrong

1197
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 2: for the Packers, and they all did. I mean, you

1198
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 2: go back to earlyly, if Josh Jacobs fumbles on the

1199
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 2: two yard line, I believe, and people will just say

1200
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 2: that this is cry baby Packer fan stuff. I believe

1201
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 2: the part of the Bears game plan was to knock

1202
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 2: Jordan Love out of the game. First of all, they

1203
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 2: came off playing rough and aggressive from the get go. Secondly,

1204
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 2: and I don't know how much attention this got because

1205
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: I'll admit I wasn't reading everything about the game because

1206
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 2: I didn't want to. The guy who hit Love that

1207
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: was his second roughing the passer, and that Love went

1208
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 2: out early in the game. It was his second roughing

1209
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: the passer. He hit Love late twice. Secondly, you can

1210
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 2: say that Love was moving down at the same time

1211
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 2: the guy was going down when it was helmet to

1212
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 2: helmet the replay enough, I think he went for Love's head.

1213
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 2: You can say he did it, he didn't. I think

1214
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: the Bears wanted to knock Jordan Love out of the game.

1215
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 2: He just reminded me of the game forty years ago

1216
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 2: when the Packers decided to go after McMahon, when they

1217
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 2: had Charles Martin body slammed him, mcken stell's hitting, guys,

1218
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 2: laid out of bounds and so on. That the Bears

1219
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,799
Speaker 2: are just with Ben Johnson. They're obsessed with the Packers,

1220
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 2: and they decided that they were going to bully the Packers.

1221
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 2: The Packers never retaliated. I think they deliberately took Love

1222
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 2: out of the game. Now, I understand, when you have

1223
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 2: a lead, you don't want to commit a stupid penalty.

1224
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 2: So going after Caleb Williams, you could say that, well,

1225
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 2: why commit a stupid penalty like that and get him

1226
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 2: back into the game. But the reality is is that

1227
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 2: the Bears were playing I felt overly aggressively throughout the

1228
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,839
Speaker 2: course of the game, and there's no payback from the Packers.

1229
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 2: The payback was the Packers were dominating them. The Bears

1230
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 2: have a great offense. They had six points at fifty

1231
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 2: eight minutes, that's what they had. Six points in fifty

1232
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 2: eight minutes. The Packer defensive coordinator halfway enjoy him when

1233
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 2: I have him, because he's gone at the end of

1234
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: the year. He's just gone. I just do not see

1235
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 2: a scenario where he's not a head coach. There's too

1236
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 2: many jobs that are open. He's respected by everyone. The Packers'

1237
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 2: defense all season was premised on moving Parsons around because

1238
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 2: they knew he would be double teams, so they wanted

1239
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 2: to put him in a different position and each time

1240
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 2: complicating the attempts to double team him, and that freed

1241
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 2: up the other players on the defense. Suddenly you have

1242
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 2: to change your entire focus by not having Parsons. Now,

1243
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,639
Speaker 2: the Packers did say, as we were, you know, doing

1244
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 2: our preparation for the season. Remember they didn't get Parsons

1245
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 2: until right before the season began. They went back and

1246
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 2: reverted to the way they were planning to run their

1247
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 2: defense all along before Micah Parsons got here. Nonetheless, it

1248
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 2: was a tremendous performance by the defense until you know,

1249
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: it's the same thing as the Seattle game. One thing

1250
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 2: led to another, then the floodgates broke. As for the

1251
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 2: drop on sidekick, I mean, the happiest guy in the world.

1252
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 2: Is Bostick right now, It's now Dobbs is the punchline.

1253
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 2: The difference, of course, is that Bostick was a backup Romeo.

1254
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 2: Dobbs had a brilliant game. He probably has the best

1255
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 2: hands of the team. He had five catches in the game.

1256
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 2: He said he took his eye off the ball and

1257
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 2: if the Bears were hitting, so he knew what was

1258
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 2: gonna happen. The ball bounced and Dobbs probably glanced up

1259
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 2: to see who was gonna drill him. Dobbs is a

1260
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 2: history of concussions, and the Bears were probably just gonna

1261
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 2: they were gonna go for his head, hoping to force

1262
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 2: a fumble and drive the ball free, and probably Dobbs

1263
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,719
Speaker 2: thought about that for that split second and it buffed away.

1264
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 2: But when you cover a ball like that, your whole

1265
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 2: mindset is grab the ball, and also in your your

1266
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 2: body is going down over the ball, just in case

1267
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 2: your muffets, so that you're covering the ball and it

1268
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 2: bombs out of there. And the moment that it happened,

1269
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 2: I'm sure some packer farewell, but they still have to go.

1270
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 2: I just it just it was doomed. I mean, I

1271
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 2: do not ever remember the I'm not saying this has

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01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 2: not happened, Paul. You ever remember the Packers winning a

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Speaker 2: game because they recovered an on sidekick. Never, I'm not

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01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 2: saying they never have. But I can now think of

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01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 2: two games that we've lost it because we did, and

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01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 2: the on side kick is very hard to recover, especially

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01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 2: now where you have to declare that they're going to

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01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 2: do it. So I mean that had to happen. And

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01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 2: then I mean the Bears score the tying touchdown on

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01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 2: that fourth down play where the Packer defenders got screwed up.

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01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 2: It wasn't a pick playable. It was a crossing pattern

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01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 2: and it looked like one of the guys lost his

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01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 2: footing and Nixon was in the wrong place. But even

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01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 2: with that, you know, the Bear's receiver, the guy who

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01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 2: doesn't catch any passes name I forget who caught the pass.

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01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 2: He was opened by fifty ten twelve yards right. Williams

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01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 2: almost overthrew him. That was a terrible pass that he

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01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 2: threw the guy's wide open and the guy had to

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01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 2: dive and make a juggling catch and hang on and

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01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 2: stay in bounds in the corner of the end zone.

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01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 2: Because the Packer pass rush was spectacular. Williams just basically

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01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 2: put the ball up in the year. He juggles the ball,

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01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 2: it goes to his hands, he loses, then the Packers

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01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 2: get the ball. I mean, nobody's blaming Willis for that fumble,

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01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 2: but I don't know if he was changing the play

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01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 2: before it, or if the center might have snapped it

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Speaker 2: when he wasn't ready for it. The conditions were cold,

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01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 2: but you know, if they get that snap, they get

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01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 2: in and they score the game. There was potentially a

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01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 2: chance that this game could have ended up in another

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01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 2: tie for green Bay, but it didn't. I mean, the

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01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 2: hard thing for green Bay to recover from, aside from

1303
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 2: the fact that they're almost certainly not going to win

1304
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 2: the division, to recover from and still make the playoffs

1305
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 2: is whether or not there's going to be an overhang

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01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 2: from this game. Oftentimes there is. Green Bay does catch

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01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 2: a break and play it. Now. Baltimore is in a

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01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 2: must win situation next week. But Jackson got knocked out

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01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 2: of the game against New England last night, and I

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01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 2: think I didn't check his status, but it looks to

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01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:59,679
Speaker 2: me like he's going to have trouble playing in Baltimore

1312
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 2: with all Lamar Jackson is just a different team. Weirdly,

1313
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 2: it's two Saturday night games in a row for green Bay,

1314
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 2: but that game is critical for the Packers as I

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01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 2: understand it, and Paul might be more up on this

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01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 2: than me. I believe the Packers need to win one

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01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 2: of these games in order to get into the playoffs.

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01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 2: Is that correct? Oh? As you're saying they have to

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01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,759
Speaker 2: win two to clinch, they could win one by beating Baltimore.

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01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 2: That I didn't know. Now, the final game of the

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01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 2: season is Minnesota, and that game would be meaningless for

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01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 2: the Vikings, but I'm sure the Packers would prefer to

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01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 2: have things taken care of by then. Detroit did lose

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01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 2: their game, and Detroit's another team that has won so

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01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,600
Speaker 2: many lucky games over the end. I mean, that was

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01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 2: the wildest ending. Do you think the officials called it correctly? Well?

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01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 2: Do you think it was past interference? Well, don't tell

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01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 2: a Lions fan that, Detroit. It was the end of

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01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 2: the game. Detroit had to score on the play, and

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01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 2: the pass receiver for the Lions pushed off. No, I

1331
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 2: will say this, guys push off all the time, and

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01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 2: about half the time it's caught. He pushed off, and

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01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 2: whether the defender was faking or not, he clearly pushed back,

1334
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 2: you know, he buckled on the pushback and that left

1335
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 2: him open. The Lions fans are saying it happened before

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01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 2: the pass, which would have made it a block and

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01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 2: not a pass, But it seemed to me that the

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01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,480
Speaker 2: ball was probably in the air, so they called pass interference.

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01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 2: In any event, the receiver ended up even though he

1340
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 2: did the push off, catching the ball back in the

1341
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 2: field of play, not the end zone. He pushed off

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01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 2: to get free in the end zone because of where

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01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 2: the pass was, he had to cross back into the

1344
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 2: field of play and caught it at the one yard

1345
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 2: line and was pushed back by the defender. Often you

1346
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 2: can fight through all of that, and they pushed him

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01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 2: back and he was being pushed back six yards and

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01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 2: then lateral s to Jared Goffer ran into the en

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01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 2: zone for a touchdown and the referees ruled it a touchdown.

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01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 2: That call was terrible. His forward progress was stopped, he

1351
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 2: was shoved back seven yards, and they didn't If there

1352
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 2: wasn't the pass interference, they would have won the game.

1353
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 2: So the referees had to dice through all of this,

1354
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 2: and they ruled it. Indeed, he had not hit his

1355
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 2: forward progress stopped. He was a lateral and it was

1356
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 2: there for a touchdown by golf, but it's negated by

1357
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:20,719
Speaker 2: the fact that there was offensive pass interference and the game.

1358
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 2: If the game ends on a defensive penalty, you won

1359
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:26,799
Speaker 2: an unplayed time down. But if it's an offensive penalty,

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01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 2: the game simply ends. And from the perspective of the

1361
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 2: Packers is very important because it moves the Lions down

1362
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 2: another notch in that competition for a playoff spot. There,

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01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 2: Paulsen Malik Willis played incredible for he did. He committed, however,

1364
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:50,719
Speaker 2: a terrible fumble and you're right it could have been that. Again.

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01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 2: I'm not blaming Willis for this, but I do wonder

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01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 2: if Jordan Love had been there, would the Packers not

1367
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 2: have sunk in the red zone three field goals by

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01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 2: the pack By the way, mcmaniston's credit for kicking in

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01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 2: those conditions, as this is a bear kicker. But if

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01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 2: the Packers scored just one touchdown in one of the

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01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 2: three times, if they had to kick field goals down

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01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 2: there again again again, they would have won the game.

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01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 2: It's an aggravating game and it's just made worse by

1374
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 2: the fact that it's the Bears, and well, I'm you know,

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01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 2: Paulse's Love may not play this weekend, with Jackson likely

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01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 2: not playing as well if the Packers think they're going

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01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 2: to make the playoffs. The absolute dumbest thing in the

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01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 2: world you can do is try to rush a guy

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01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 2: back from a concussion, because then you get another one.

1380
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 2: You also have to be cleared with the concussion. That

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01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 2: was a bad hit that Love took to the head.

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01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 2: At least I saved the crabbing about this till the

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Speaker 2: end of the program. Program note for you, for those

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Speaker 2: of you who don't count by number, by da of

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Speaker 2: the week, we are going to be doing a podcast

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Speaker 2: in the Christmas period. It's going to be released as

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Speaker 2: normal on Wednesday, Christmas Eve, so we will have a

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Speaker 2: Christmas Eve podcast. The final podcast of the week, however,

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Speaker 2: will not be on Thursday, which is Chris to Stay.

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Speaker 2: We're going to hold that one until Friday, so don't

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Speaker 2: look for the final one until Friday, and that's we'll

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Speaker 2: do our football segment as well. Talk to you soon.

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