Speaker 1: Now your host Ken Brew on news radio seven hundred
Speaker 1: wl WU.
Speaker 2: Well, it would certainly seem to be him. Wherever you are,
Speaker 2: hellever you may be listening, Welcome, it is now TI three,
Speaker 2: You and me Bear Katz of course, play tonight. And
Speaker 2: there's a lot about college football that is percolating around
Speaker 2: the country today as well. We'll get to all of that,
Speaker 2: And of course the news of the day is Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow will not and OT will not play tomorrow
Speaker 2: against the New England Patriots. He will not and OT
Speaker 2: be activated. And we'll get into the whys and the
Speaker 2: wherefores of that. And I'm sure what the metrics were
Speaker 2: for Zach Taylor and his staff and certainly the team
Speaker 2: doctors as to why he's not playing tomorrow. To me,
Speaker 2: it makes infinite sense. And I think it makes infinite
Speaker 2: sense for one reason. You have another game coming up
Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving night. You have a player that is by
Speaker 2: most accounts, a month ahead of his recovery time, his
Speaker 2: projected recovery time from toe surgery, And so do you
Speaker 2: really want him on the field tomorrow for four hours
Speaker 2: and then coming back four days later and playing in
Speaker 2: a division game on the road against a team that
Speaker 2: everybody knows can beat you up. I think it's prudent
Speaker 2: and I think it's wise, not just from a physical
Speaker 2: or medical standpoint, but also from a strategic standpoint. We'll
Speaker 2: get into that in a little bit, but that's the
Speaker 2: headline that has come out here in the last couple
Speaker 2: of hours. It has come out from national writers Ian Rapaport,
Speaker 2: Adam Schefter and folks like that. So there was great
Speaker 2: debate as to whether or not he would be put
Speaker 2: on the active roster in time for tomorrow's game. That
Speaker 2: had to happen by four o'clock this afternoon. But all
Speaker 2: of that is now moot. It will be Joe Flacco
Speaker 2: tomorrow by Jake Browning, and so there you go. Now
Speaker 2: what that does to the Bengals strategically, I can't tell you.
Speaker 2: All I can tell to you is the hottest team
Speaker 2: in football is coming to Cincinnati, and that would be
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. Tonight. It is finally Nip at Night.
Speaker 2: Nip at Night is tonight, and we have waited two
Speaker 2: years for this. If you're a UC fan, you know
Speaker 2: there is no greater atmosphere at Nippert Stadium than a
Speaker 2: night game NIP at night, and it hasn't happened for
Speaker 2: a couple of years. It happens now. Obviously because of television.
Speaker 2: Folks that are televising this game dictate what time and
Speaker 2: where it falls and whatnot, along with what the conference says.
Speaker 2: But it makes infinite sense. You have BYU. BYU is
Speaker 2: number eleven in the country at six and one inside
Speaker 2: the conference, and you see is at five and two.
Speaker 2: If things fall the right way this weekend, you can
Speaker 2: have absolute chaos in the Big Twelve Conference for every
Speaker 2: team not named Texas Tech. Texas Tech is seven and one.
Speaker 2: They've got to buy this weekend. But you could have
Speaker 2: you tadd six and two. You could have Houston at
Speaker 2: six and two. You could have BYU at six and two,
Speaker 2: and you see at six and two if it winds
Speaker 2: up with a win tonight, and that's what we're going
Speaker 2: to focus on right now. This is a big game
Speaker 2: for you. See, they have not performed well the last
Speaker 2: couple of games, and to stay relevant in the conversation
Speaker 2: for things like a Big Twelve championship, as remote as
Speaker 2: that may be, or even god dare we think of
Speaker 2: a spot in the college football playoff. I know settled down,
Speaker 2: Ken does not get avent ourselves here. Just calm down
Speaker 2: for a minute. But if we are to think about
Speaker 2: things that are important over and above the football game tonight,
Speaker 2: it's going to be a win over BYU and Scott
Speaker 2: Centerfield this week. The U see head coach. I mean,
Speaker 2: he knows what's up and he knows the lethality if
Speaker 2: indeed that's a word of the BYU offense.
Speaker 3: You know, I just think they're very efficient in what
Speaker 3: they do offensively, and in Bachmeer is taking care of
Speaker 3: the football. You know, I think the one game they
Speaker 3: turned it over a couple of times, maybe against Texas
Speaker 3: Tech now was the one game they lost this year.
Speaker 3: So they just very efficient offense, and they're therefore, you know,
Speaker 3: when you play great defense, when the.
Speaker 2: Fishing, you give yourself a chance to win. Bachmeyer the
Speaker 2: quarterback great first name, Bear Bachmeyer thirteen touchdowns, four interceptions,
Speaker 2: completing sixty three percent of his passes. So what about
Speaker 2: this and a few other nuggets in college football? We
Speaker 2: call upon one of the truly great sports writers in
Speaker 2: this country when it comes to all things college football.
Speaker 2: He's a local boy that made good and now he
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Speaker 2: Stuart Mandell, how are you in this glorious game day.
Speaker 4: I'm good, I'm well.
Speaker 2: I am looking forward to Nip at Night. We haven't
Speaker 2: had a nip at Night here in two years, and
Speaker 2: of course tonight it's BYU that's in town. It has
Speaker 2: not gone so well for U see the last couple
Speaker 2: of weeks. But they've got a good b YU team
Speaker 2: that's in here thanks to a quarterback in Bear Bachmeier
Speaker 2: who seems to be taking at least his part of
Speaker 2: the country by storm. A little bit about b YU.
Speaker 2: You've seen b YU. I'm sure what stands out to
Speaker 2: you except their quarterback or maybe in addition to their quarterback.
Speaker 4: Well, he's a big part of it for sure. He
Speaker 4: you know, came in as a true freshman and it
Speaker 4: wasn't even there in the spring, but it's Stamford in
Speaker 4: the spring and ends up winning the job, and he's
Speaker 4: played very well save for the one game against that
Speaker 4: Tech Texas Tech has made a lot of quarterback book. God,
Speaker 4: they have an amazing defense, right, so and then they
Speaker 4: can put by us, not just him. They can run
Speaker 4: the ball to and you can usually count on Cloney's
Speaker 4: pocket to have a pretty good defense.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: L J.
Speaker 2: Martin is there is their chief running back. Six touchdowns.
Speaker 2: But what I like about Blackmeier is that he distributes well.
Speaker 2: I was watching, Uh it might have been the Tech game,
Speaker 2: but Chase Roberts terrific player, Parker Kingston terrific player. This
Speaker 2: is a diverse offense. It's gonna be very difficult I
Speaker 2: think for for University of Cincinnati to defend this offense.
Speaker 2: If they get on a roll tonight. What are they
Speaker 2: doing defensively, b YU anything out standing?
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say outstanding. I think they've been good, not
Speaker 4: so you know, dominant. They've had some really really good
Speaker 4: defenses there recently in the last few years. But to
Speaker 4: their credit, right, I mean, they only lost the one game.
Speaker 4: I think they've looked at defense or as the season
Speaker 4: got on. You know, I think it's good for UC
Speaker 4: that it's there that they're not traveling to Provo for
Speaker 4: a night game. You know, that would have been a
Speaker 4: tough tast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolute. Brendan Sorosby's come back down to Earth
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks, and what he's seeing a
Speaker 2: lot of is man coverage, and so far he has
Speaker 2: not handled it very well. You're you're just your impressions
Speaker 2: of Sorsby. I think he's a good quarterback. I think
Speaker 2: he has a chance to be a great quarterback if
Speaker 2: indeed he decides to come back here again next year.
Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is this man coverage
Speaker 2: thing has been a problem for him the last couple
Speaker 2: of weeks. I'm just wondering in college football as a whole,
Speaker 2: is man coverage that difficult for an elite quarterback in
Speaker 2: college football to handle? How does that work?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 4: I think it more depends on the receivers, right. I mean,
Speaker 4: you a man coverage, you're betting that you can that
Speaker 4: your guys are not going to get beat one on one, Right.
Speaker 4: I would not recommend doing that, for instance against Ohio State,
Speaker 4: but these defenses seem to think they can handle you
Speaker 4: these receivers. The Utah game, you know, was one thing,
Speaker 4: right that was he played very poorly that game. But
Speaker 4: Utah Utah is very good. I mean you Stah had
Speaker 4: the misfortune to lose two games to the two most
Speaker 4: important teams they've played. Otherwise I think they'd be in
Speaker 4: the stick of the playoff raase right now. The Arizona
Speaker 4: one surprised me. Arizona's obviously had a better year this
Speaker 4: year than they did last year, but I don't think
Speaker 4: they are known as a great defensive team necessarily, so
Speaker 4: that performance was a little puzzling. And you know what
Speaker 4: else is puzzling? Can is why for the second straight
Speaker 4: year or you see having a backslide over the backstretch
Speaker 4: of the season right now? It's obviously they're far enough long.
Speaker 4: It's not like last year where they have mist a
Speaker 4: bowl game, right they got off to a much better
Speaker 4: start than that. But can they uh reverse this slid
Speaker 4: and to get a big win here against the team
Speaker 4: that in b i U is as of this moment,
Speaker 4: right on the cuff of a playoff berth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great comparison from this from last year.
Speaker 2: This year. Yeah, they fell off off the cliff last year,
Speaker 2: but I'm looking here at the big twelve. I mean
Speaker 2: I guess there's a chance that the University of Cincinnati
Speaker 2: could win this conference. But I'm looking at Tech at
Speaker 2: seven and one, they got to buy this week they
Speaker 2: play West Virginia in their final game, that you would
Speaker 2: think that would be a win eight and one would
Speaker 2: you would think at the very least allow them to
Speaker 2: tie for the conference championship. But there's a lot of teams.
Speaker 2: Two lost teams in this conference right now, Bearcats five
Speaker 2: and two inside the conference, Arizona five and two, Houston
Speaker 2: five and two, Utah five and two, And if BYU
Speaker 2: doesn't win here tonight at Nippert, they fall to five
Speaker 2: to six and two. So I'm just I'm just wondering,
Speaker 2: even though it's an outside chance for any of those teams,
Speaker 2: do you anticipate Texas Tech fumbling at this point this season?
Speaker 4: First of all, I'm not good enough at math to
Speaker 4: know how those tie breakers would resolve. Like Cincinnati has
Speaker 4: a chance to throw the Big twelve into total ko
Speaker 4: outside of Tech.
Speaker 2: With a win tonight.
Speaker 4: Have Yeah, with a win, they're going to send the
Speaker 4: Big twelve into a five way tie and depending what
Speaker 4: the other teams do, obviously, but a five way high
Speaker 4: per second and then they don't play each other the
Speaker 4: next week. So you know, I do know that there
Speaker 4: is a there's a great site that does all these
Speaker 4: tiebreaker scenarios, and pretty much any of those multi team
Speaker 4: tiebreakers favorite Utah. So because the youth played the toughest
Speaker 4: conference schedule. So that could be in a really interesting
Speaker 4: situation that BUYU loses, they beat Utah, but get beat
Speaker 4: out by Utah for the Big Twelve title game. Texa
Speaker 4: Tech is rolling. I think. You know, at this point
Speaker 4: it's clear they are the most talented team in the
Speaker 4: Big Twelve, but that doesn't mean they couldn't lose, for instance,
Speaker 4: to Utah in a rematch in the Big Twelve title game.
Speaker 4: The thing about that is Texas Tech. I think at
Speaker 4: this point, once they lose twice, if tex Attack is
Speaker 4: eleven and two, they're going to go to the playoffs.
Speaker 4: And so it's going to take somebody knocking them off
Speaker 4: probably to get a second Big Twelve team in.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, and you look what Utah has left.
Speaker 2: I mean, they got Kansas State, uh later on the
Speaker 2: same afternoon, and they play at Kansas next week. You
Speaker 2: would think those are two wins for Utah, But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean if Texas Tech, I mean, if they go
Speaker 2: to eight and one, I mean, obviously it's it's over.
Speaker 2: I love the Big twelve in this sense, and I
Speaker 2: know you will view all of this stuff globally, but
Speaker 2: I love it in this sense. Is you see the
Speaker 2: ball up on any game in any week, and for
Speaker 2: the most part, you don't know how this conference is
Speaker 2: going to play out. It's got to be the most balanced,
Speaker 2: not only statistically but in terms of talent on the
Speaker 2: in the in the power for conferences. It's not it's
Speaker 2: not certainly the best conference, but I think it's the
Speaker 2: most competitive conference. Would you disagree with that statement, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it's the for the most part, the flattest conference.
Speaker 4: You know, look at at Arizona State last year, you know,
Speaker 4: rising up and winning it, and they've fallen a little
Speaker 4: bit this year, but not too much. But you know,
Speaker 4: I think if you were if an NFL scout with
Speaker 4: the size of BYU's roster and let's say Iowa State's roster,
Speaker 4: I don't think they've too much difference there. But Iowa
Speaker 4: State haven't caught some breaks this year, including injury.
Speaker 6: Now Texas Seconds.
Speaker 4: Kind of come in and disrupted that formula, Like, they
Speaker 4: went out and spent the money and built themselves a
Speaker 4: roster that I think could compete for the top in
Speaker 4: any conference, not just the Big twelve. So they're not
Speaker 4: kind of stuck in that they're not in that log game,
Speaker 4: I guess, I would say, But you know, nobody knows
Speaker 4: if that's going to continue, Like are they going to
Speaker 4: be able to spend twenty five million dollars a year
Speaker 4: after year after year in this new system? But most,
Speaker 4: for the most part, these programs are very evenly matched.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And what's interesting is you mentioned BYU
Speaker 2: on the cusp of a playoff spot. You've got three
Speaker 2: Big twelve teams right now in the latest rankings among
Speaker 2: the top twelve. Now, well three obviously aren't going to
Speaker 2: get in, but I mean, could you could see a
Speaker 2: scenario where two Big twelve teams would make the playoffs?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: I think that to me has a lot of respect
Speaker 4: for those top three teams and the Big twelve, And
Speaker 4: you're seeing that they just don't have as much respect
Speaker 4: for them as they do the SEC. And so you see,
Speaker 4: you know, like in Oklahoma when at Alabama and moves
Speaker 4: jumps up over them. I would love. I would be
Speaker 4: so to see what would happen if Frankly wouldn't take
Speaker 4: as many dominoes for this to happen, Vanderbilt and Utah
Speaker 4: competing for the last that large spot because people would
Speaker 4: automatically some people would automatically default to the SEC team.
Speaker 4: But they both have two losses now Vanderbilt two spots
Speaker 4: behind them. Is Vanderbilt beating Tennessee at the end of
Speaker 4: the season going to make me that much of your
Speaker 4: difference that they would leave problem? In other words, if
Speaker 4: that were to happen, that tells me they're never going
Speaker 4: to the big tall team to benefit the doubt over
Speaker 4: the SEC. Because right now it's like does you saw
Speaker 4: have us? Can you taw keep moving up or do
Speaker 4: you or they have Utah right at the ceiling that
Speaker 4: they're not going to be able to move past.
Speaker 2: You know, we're going to see stoops in Kentucky can
Speaker 2: throw a wrench into that later on this afternoon, right yeah, no, UK,
Speaker 2: it looks like we're going to get Ohio State Indiana
Speaker 2: in the Big Ten championship game. What would you expect
Speaker 2: in a game like that? And I mean you got
Speaker 2: I mean there are one two right now in the
Speaker 2: in the playoff rankings, But what would you expect if
Speaker 2: those two played in the Big Ten championship game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it would be fascinating, It really would because I
Speaker 4: think most people would say, well, I think Ohio State
Speaker 4: is the better team all christ Indiana, but you know,
Speaker 4: Ohigo State. I have watched them, they're at another level,
Speaker 4: and that may be true, but I have State's schedule
Speaker 4: has broken in a way that we really haven't seen
Speaker 4: them play. Honestly since the Texas game. Anybody that's near them,
Speaker 4: they didn't play. They haven't played AYU yet. They didn't
Speaker 4: play Oregon. They're bout They're going to finally play Michigan here,
Speaker 4: they don't play usc They've just spent their whole season
Speaker 4: playing kind of the dregs of the Big Ten. So
Speaker 4: I'll be fascinated when they finally go up against the
Speaker 4: team on level. I'd be fascinated to see Fernando Mendos
Speaker 4: that go against you know, stay defense is unbelievable, right,
Speaker 4: go against them. Can Indiana handle those will have a
Speaker 4: state receivers? I don't think so, But I don't know that.
Speaker 4: I don't know that any pretty much any team in
Speaker 4: the country.
Speaker 2: Stuart Mandeltheathletic dot Com our guest, I'm hopscotching here. Is
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly ever going to have another college head coaching job?
Speaker 2: And if so, at what level would anybody be interested
Speaker 2: in him?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit different situation than James Franklin,
Speaker 4: who obviously he's got another job already. James Franklin wanted
Speaker 4: a very high level offense that he just couldn't quite
Speaker 4: get him over the top, right, And I feel like
Speaker 4: that Brian kelly lsu tenure was not was not that
Speaker 4: way they frankly underachieved. On top of that, he's a
Speaker 4: very polarizing guy. Uh, he reves a lot of people.
Speaker 2: The wrong way.
Speaker 4: If he if he coaches again, I would think it
Speaker 4: would be down the level or two. And he's he's
Speaker 4: been in that level before, Right, It's just how much
Speaker 4: does he want to keep coaching? Would he be willing
Speaker 4: after being in the SEC to go coach a team
Speaker 4: in the American right or the MAC whatever.
Speaker 7: It may be?
Speaker 4: And I don't know his at his point he might
Speaker 4: just stay him done. But if you want to lashue money,
Speaker 4: he's got to at least look for a comparable job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I I The only the reason why I
Speaker 2: ask is you talk about a polarizing figure. He's not
Speaker 2: polarizing in this town by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 2: He left on the wrong side of the equation. But
Speaker 2: he does. He does really kind of represent I think,
Speaker 2: kind of like a hired gun, if you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. You know, you could you could, you could
Speaker 2: hire him at, for example, a MAC school or Conference
Speaker 2: USA school, and all of a sudden, your program is
Speaker 2: elevated to a point where maybe you can dream about
Speaker 2: getting into one of those slots if the playoff is expanded.
Speaker 2: But I just I just think it's going to be
Speaker 2: very tough for any school to look at him and say,
Speaker 2: you know, this is our guy, knowing full well that
Speaker 2: if he has any success at that level, he's probably
Speaker 2: out the door for the next big job that comes
Speaker 2: down the pike.
Speaker 4: But I kind of expect to see him on ESPN
Speaker 4: next year. Oh really, you know, I'm just guessing how
Speaker 4: the inside information. But you know, he's he's very charismatic.
Speaker 4: I think he'd be very good.
Speaker 6: On TV, you know.
Speaker 4: And he's at a point, and he's sixty four, he's
Speaker 4: at a point where like maybe he has one more
Speaker 4: coaching job in him, so we'll see. I haven't heard
Speaker 4: any inkling that he's in the mix for any of
Speaker 4: the more prominent jobs in the cycle.
Speaker 2: But as you say, if he wants at LSU money,
Speaker 2: he better start looking right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, those mitigating First of all, he's trying to come
Speaker 4: up with some reason the fire and for cause and
Speaker 4: that fame at all. Brian Kelly filed that lawsuit. Oh
Speaker 4: by the way, having a lawsuit against one of the
Speaker 4: schools is also not something that school, you know, another
Speaker 4: school would love to hang you over it. But yeah,
Speaker 4: he does if he wants to get that money and
Speaker 4: follow the the you know, the contract it does. It
Speaker 4: has a mitigating clause where he has to at least
Speaker 4: seek a comparable child like James Franklin did.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's a piece of work. Stewart, thanks again
Speaker 2: for your time, man, We appreciate it. Stuartmandeldyathletic dot Com
Speaker 2: great great coverage of college football, and he is obviously
Speaker 2: at the epicenter of it. All right, have a great Thanksgiving,
Speaker 2: Stewart will visit down the road.
Speaker 4: Thanks all right, Yeah, I have a great Thanksgiving again.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So you got Ohio State on the field right
Speaker 2: now with Rutgers. It is up at the shoe with
Speaker 2: seven fifty to go first quarter, it is scoreless, and
Speaker 2: Ohio State is playing without their two top wide receivers,
Speaker 2: Tate and Smith. Later on this afternoon, you've got Kentucky
Speaker 2: at Vanderbilt. That is a three point thirty kickoff. We
Speaker 2: talked about college football playoff implications in that game for Vanderbilt,
Speaker 2: and then of course you have BYU and you tonight
Speaker 2: at nip Indiana is off this weekend. They are at
Speaker 2: Purdue this coming Friday night. So there's local college football
Speaker 2: and of course all counting down to the college football Playoff.
Speaker 2: What twelve teams make. It seems to me that Indiana
Speaker 2: and Ohio State, barring they're really wild unforeseen, will both
Speaker 2: be in. But who knows. As a wise man once said,
Speaker 2: that is why they play the games. We are just
Speaker 2: getting started on this Saturday. It's great to have you
Speaker 2: with us as we press on TILL three News Radio
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW. You know, is there is there ever
Speaker 2: a bad time for scorpion? Klauss Mighty, Klaus mighty. It's
Speaker 2: plaut forty here on the East coast, and in particular
Speaker 2: the great city of Cincinnati. Welcome Black. I am ken
Speaker 2: Brew for what it's worth. In a big noon kickoff today,
Speaker 2: you know as that pregame show, they came to the
Speaker 2: friendly confines of Knippers Stadium today presented by Fox Television.
Speaker 2: Urban Meyer thinks you see is going to beat BYU tonite.
Speaker 2: So there you go. It's kind of a fun show.
Speaker 2: It's always a fun show. It's really really well put together.
Speaker 2: And so they were there this morning, and then of
Speaker 2: course the game is tonight at eight o'clock and you
Speaker 2: see rolls into this thing needing a win for a
Speaker 2: number of reasons. One we just talked to Stuart Mandel
Speaker 2: about it. They they had that fall off last year, right,
Speaker 2: and so now they've lost a couple of games, and
Speaker 2: they need to they need to get this thing back
Speaker 2: on the rails. For nothing else than to stay in
Speaker 2: the conversation. It's totally out of their control and it
Speaker 2: most probably is not going to happen, but at least
Speaker 2: stay in the conversation that if something happened is to
Speaker 2: Texas Tech the unthinkable losing it West Virginia I think
Speaker 2: would be kind of on thinkable at this point. But Nevertheless,
Speaker 2: if Texas Tech were to stumble that, they've got a
Speaker 2: chance to be in the conversation if Domino's fall the
Speaker 2: right way. But if nothing else, it stops the narrative
Speaker 2: from last year that things fell off the cliff on
Speaker 2: Scott Caderfield's team. Now, there's been a problem the last
Speaker 2: several games, and that is opposing teams have been throwing
Speaker 2: man de man coverage up against the University of Cincinnati's offense,
Speaker 2: and Brendan Soorsby has not been handling it well, and
Speaker 2: neither have the wide receivers at the University of Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Here is Scott Saderfield talking about Sworsby and that problem
Speaker 2: this week.
Speaker 3: You know, we had four drops, potentially five drops in
Speaker 3: that game. If our guys catch the football, then his
Speaker 3: stats are going to look a lot different, you know,
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, I think that's part. It's
Speaker 3: not just Brndan. I thought I thought he had a
Speaker 3: really bad decision on the first play of the game,
Speaker 3: like that was awful, But really after that he really
Speaker 3: played pretty good. I mean, he threw the ball good.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, that ball which has been forty
Speaker 3: five to fifty yards added to his stats. I mean,
Speaker 3: you got to catch that ball yet, And I think
Speaker 3: got to catch you know, and our receivers will be
Speaker 3: the first to tell you, yeah, I got to catch that,
Speaker 3: you know. And I think so it it's not just
Speaker 3: on one player.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's the whole team.
Speaker 3: You got to protect good, you got to run the
Speaker 3: good routes, you got to make the catches and you know.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, absolutely can bounce back. Yeah, Sowresby knows the
Speaker 2: rap too. He talked about it after the loss last week,
Speaker 2: and yeah, he knows he's going They're going to see.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Not every team can play great Manda man coverage. And
Speaker 2: I'd be lying to you if I said, yeah, I've
Speaker 2: watched BYU all year and they played great man dea
Speaker 2: man coverage. I have not. I've seen some of their
Speaker 2: games and they have played man, they have played zone.
Speaker 2: And my guess is that they've seen the tape of
Speaker 2: Sorsby and see how he struggles with it and the
Speaker 2: receivers in dropping passes. Here's the u SE quarterback earlier
Speaker 2: this week on just this issue. You know, we kind of.
Speaker 8: Expected it, we expect you know, from the Utah game
Speaker 8: on kind of what we were going to get and
Speaker 8: you know, going back to there's a couple of decisions
Speaker 8: I want back, but overall, I thought, you know, decision
Speaker 8: making for the most part was pretty good. Some unfortunate,
Speaker 8: you know, mishaps and a couple of misthrows, but you know,
Speaker 8: at the end of the day, it's you just got
Speaker 8: to go out there and cut loose and whatever happens happens.
Speaker 8: And you know, we got to type that with that
Speaker 8: mindset this week and you know, leave it all out
Speaker 8: there and I think we'll.
Speaker 2: Like what what the results is at the end of
Speaker 2: the day. So you got five and two U see
Speaker 2: at home for this eight o'clock kick BYU comes in
Speaker 2: here at six and one. Those are conference records, not
Speaker 2: overall records. And the over arching thing though, is it's
Speaker 2: nip at night and we haven't had that in a
Speaker 2: couple of years, and it's something that red shirt defensive
Speaker 2: lineman Micah Coleman is really looking forward to. He's been
Speaker 2: told about it, but he hasn't experienced it, so this
Speaker 2: would be a cool thing for him tonight.
Speaker 9: Well, since I've got here, since I've came to campus,
Speaker 9: nip at night has been something that everybody talks about
Speaker 9: like the atmosphere. They say, it's a really the atmosphere.
Speaker 9: So I just can't wait to see how the crowd looks,
Speaker 9: how the fans go. You know, it's senior night, so
Speaker 9: it's gonna be emotional, it's gonna be loud, crazy, and
Speaker 9: I just really just want to send a seniors out
Speaker 9: on the right note.
Speaker 2: So all the play by play begins at eight, the
Speaker 2: pregame show at seven with mo Egger, and then as
Speaker 2: I said, all the play by play at eight with
Speaker 2: Tony Pike and the now never resting Dan Horde did
Speaker 2: a basketball game last night. You see game tonight, Tomorrow's
Speaker 2: got the Bengals, and Monday night he's got another U
Speaker 2: see basketball game. Somebody should ask Dan, and if I
Speaker 2: have the opportunity, I will. But you know what, here's
Speaker 2: a question Tony Pike should ask Dan tonight in the booth.
Speaker 2: How do you keep your voice in shape? Because there
Speaker 2: are things you can use, sprays, you can drink hot
Speaker 2: tea and honey. There's a lot of crud that's in
Speaker 2: the air right now. It's only going to get worse.
Speaker 2: He could do a whole thing, They could do a
Speaker 2: whole segment on Throat Health with Dan Horde, Dan Antony,
Speaker 2: and Mo tonight beginning at seven o'clock here on seven
Speaker 2: hundred a W WELW now three point thirty. It is
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt and UK in Nashville. Vandy is eight and two,
Speaker 2: still very much in the conversation for a spot in
Speaker 2: the college football playoff. Oh yeah they are. UK is
Speaker 2: at five and five. It needs a win to get
Speaker 2: Bold eligible. It plays this game today five and five,
Speaker 2: and then finishes the regular season next week at Louisville.
Speaker 2: It's not been a great year obviously for Kentucky football.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even a great win last week against Tennessee Tech.
Speaker 2: So this week Mark Stoops, who you know, has been
Speaker 2: kind of dour in his news conferences, to be honest
Speaker 2: with he was kind of kind of more jovial this week,
Speaker 2: but he also addressed the ongoing situation where his defense
Speaker 2: needs to be better. His team needs to be better,
Speaker 2: but his defense needs to be better. Here's Stoops this week.
Speaker 10: You know, there's just there's we could we could finish better.
Speaker 10: You know, there's there's things, there's you know, plays out
Speaker 10: there where we just didn't finish the place. If we
Speaker 10: finished the place we finished the series and give up
Speaker 10: less points than we did. So there's a lot of
Speaker 10: things we could do better across the board and execution.
Speaker 10: You know, I appreciate our team's effort, you know the past.
Speaker 10: You know they been playing well, but there's things we
Speaker 10: could have done better. Yeah, Indiana is off, by the way,
Speaker 10: this weekend. They play this Friday night at Purdue in
Speaker 10: a game that always draws a lot of attention. Right now,
Speaker 10: up in Columbus it is seven nothing Ohio State over Rutgers.
Speaker 10: Rutgers has the ball at midfield and they're fixing, as
Speaker 10: they say back in the old neighborhood, they're fixing to
Speaker 10: go to quarter number two in Columbus, seven nothing Ohio
Speaker 10: State after one. Now I don't want I'll get into
Speaker 10: the Bengals later on. There is there is a game
Speaker 10: tomorrow night at TQL Stadium that if you're a soccer fan,
Speaker 10: you don't need to be told this. If you're an
Speaker 10: FC Cincinnati fan, you don't need to be told this.
Speaker 10: But even if you know this, it's good to hear
Speaker 10: it again. This is a huge and I mean huge
Speaker 10: football well it is football in some parts of a
Speaker 10: soccer game. This is win or go on, loser go home.
Speaker 2: As the MLS playoffs continue, and it is FC Cincinnati
Speaker 2: against Inner Miami at TQL and you know who plays
Speaker 2: for Miami. Of course it's Messi. So there has been
Speaker 2: success with games against Miami. When FC Cincinnati takes them on,
Speaker 2: I believe they have a win and a tie over
Speaker 2: Miami this year, and so there's at least an air
Speaker 2: of confidence going into a game tomorrow that means more
Speaker 2: than any game they've played against Miami ever, and understanding
Speaker 2: that the opposition is led by Messi, so there's an
Speaker 2: air of confidence. One of the best, if not the
Speaker 2: best player on FCC side as a vander and he
Speaker 2: was talking about that confidence that they have going into
Speaker 2: this match tomorrow.
Speaker 11: He gave us a little bit of confidence because you
Speaker 11: know how to play, played against them two games and
Speaker 11: he were good games that we did. But it's it's
Speaker 11: a playoff, so it can be a total different game.
Speaker 11: So you've got to be ready for that. Even though
Speaker 11: you have like a lot of experience guys that can
Speaker 11: handle the game this game pretty well, we need to
Speaker 11: be aware of that everything can happen during the game.
Speaker 2: This is a kick tomorrow night at TQL and as
Speaker 2: I said, they've had they've had success against Miami, success
Speaker 2: against Messi. They had a believe that had a six
Speaker 2: nil decision over Miami last season, but Messi wasn't in
Speaker 2: the lineup. He was out for some reason, suspension or whatever,
Speaker 2: health I I don't know what it was. But Pat
Speaker 2: noon in this week, the FC Cincinnati coach was talking
Speaker 2: about how much those past games mean and what they
Speaker 2: could do in terms of strategy tomorrow night, and from
Speaker 2: listening to the coach, the answer to that is not much.
Speaker 5: You know, we didn't spend too much of our preparation
Speaker 5: looking at those games, just based on.
Speaker 2: What it looks like now.
Speaker 5: And I think they're in really good form defensively, have
Speaker 5: continued to get better. Offensively have gotten better.
Speaker 2: And that's why.
Speaker 5: We have this matchup is because they've they've been really
Speaker 5: strong now.
Speaker 2: They both finished with sixty five points in the season.
Speaker 2: FC Cincinnati had one more win then Inter Miami. Inter
Speaker 2: Miami had three more ties than FC Cincinnati, and Inner
Speaker 2: Miami outscored FC Cincinnati. Inter Miami had eighty one regular
Speaker 2: season goals. FC Cincinnati fifty two. In Miami gave up
Speaker 2: quite a few more than CINCINNATIFC Cincinnati in the regular season. Nevertheless,
Speaker 2: that's the matchup tomorrow night. And Miles Robinson is back
Speaker 2: from his team, his stint with the national team and
Speaker 2: feeling pretty sassy, feeling pretty good about where his team
Speaker 2: is right now. A lot of confidence overall, probably just
Speaker 2: our intensity. We've got a good group of guys that are.
Speaker 9: Played very intense and play together as one as a unit,
Speaker 9: and I think when we do that, we're at our best.
Speaker 2: So that's a five o'clock kick tomorrow at TQL Stadium,
Speaker 2: five o'clock kick with in Miami. Winner moves on. These
Speaker 2: are the conference semis, so you'll go to the conference
Speaker 2: finals if you win. If you lose, of course you
Speaker 2: go home. So there's what's on the docket at this hour.
Speaker 2: It is twelve to fifty one on this Saturday afternoon,
Speaker 2: so much to get to. We want to get to
Speaker 2: a few other topics besides what's going on in the
Speaker 2: world of sports, and we shall do. So you're listening
Speaker 2: to Saturday Afternoons and it's you and me and what
Speaker 2: else should it be? On seven hundred WLW seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: It is a little after one o'clock. Well, not a little.
Speaker 2: Let's want to wait on this Saturday. Great to have
Speaker 2: you with us. A lot on the horizon. I believe
Speaker 2: we have Sterling at three o'clock. In my gosh, you
Speaker 2: would not look forward to that. And then we have
Speaker 2: you see football at seven o'clock tonight, Nip at night,
Speaker 2: you see against BYU. Stay tuned for all of that.
Speaker 2: It has been I think a bad week for the Democrats.
Speaker 2: There's no way to really craft it any other way.
Speaker 2: They thought they had Trump dead to rights on these
Speaker 2: Epstein files because they thought he wouldn't release him, and
Speaker 2: he didn't. I think I don't know why Trump played
Speaker 2: what he the way he played the files. But nevertheless,
Speaker 2: there's nothing in there that's a smoking gun. If the
Speaker 2: Democrats knew that there was something in there about Trump,
Speaker 2: and it might have also included things about Bill Clinton
Speaker 2: or Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, they wouldn't have given
Speaker 2: a rats rear end about Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama or
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton. They would have gone after Trump because there's
Speaker 2: nothing that unites Democrats in this world more than their
Speaker 2: unabashed and unabated hatred of Donald Trump. They would have
Speaker 2: sacrificed plenty of their own if they thought they thought
Speaker 2: there was anything in those files. There's not. But for
Speaker 2: some reason, he sat on those files, and now that
Speaker 2: they have been released, most of the stuff that's coming
Speaker 2: out is either embarrassing or possibly incriminating for Democrats, and
Speaker 2: we've only begun to see the tip of it. I'm
Speaker 2: sure they're Republicans named in there as well, and some
Speaker 2: high priced players, so we'll see where that leads. The
Speaker 2: second thing is there were a group of Democrats this
Speaker 2: week that put together a video led by Senator Moonbeam
Speaker 2: out of Arizona, suggesting that the people that work in
Speaker 2: intelligence in this country and our armed forces openly defy
Speaker 2: orders from the commander in chief. That would be pret
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. That would be nothing short of treason if
Speaker 2: those people did that, sedition. But yet they put this
Speaker 2: video out and then they tried to backtrack. Well, you
Speaker 2: know what, we didn't we we know we didn't mean that,
Speaker 2: you know, we man in case there's something unlawful, Well,
Speaker 2: what did he say or order that was unlawful?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: Nothing, nothing, but we're just saying that. And then when
Speaker 2: Trump threatened them with legal action that could lead to
Speaker 2: their execution, which is a possibility if you are convicted
Speaker 2: of treason or sedition. Just check out history. That's when, Oh,
Speaker 2: my gosh, how could he say he's going to kill
Speaker 2: people in the Senate. But he had to do that
Speaker 2: to get the media's attention because the media is corrupt.
Speaker 2: The people that deliver you the news don't want to
Speaker 2: deliver you any news that might be in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form poor reflections on Democrats. That's the way
Speaker 2: it is. I worked in that industry. I know what
Speaker 2: it's populated with. And then, of course you had to
Speaker 2: have a week where judge his way in. Judges like
Speaker 2: Judge Ga Cobb, whose roots are not far from where
Speaker 2: we're sitting right now. She declared that it's unlawful for
Speaker 2: that National Guard to remain in Washington, d C. It's
Speaker 2: unlawful despite the fact that Washington, d C. Is at
Speaker 2: least a liveable city. Again. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: since Trump took office in January, more than one hundred
Speaker 2: federal court judges have ruled against the Trump administration. And
Speaker 2: my gosh, imagine that most were Democrats judges running around
Speaker 2: thinking they rule the world in their black robes with
Speaker 2: their gabbles in hand and It prompted a good guest
Speaker 2: of this program, Kennan Spivak from Real Clear Politics, to
Speaker 2: write a story that hit home with me this week.
Speaker 2: The Imperial judiciary strikes back. When will this end? When
Speaker 2: will we finally get judges to stay in their lanes?
Speaker 2: Kenny and Spivak standing by to join us right now. Kennan,
Speaker 2: how are you on this glorious day?
Speaker 6: I am just wonderful. God, this is a good day.
Speaker 2: You sound good. You sound good. Now, let me ask
Speaker 2: you a question. Have you ever seen in your time
Speaker 2: observing politics the amount of judicial overreach that occurs in
Speaker 2: these lower courts when it comes to all things Trump.
Speaker 2: I go all the way back to the Kennedy. I've
Speaker 2: never seen anything like this. Have you ever seen.
Speaker 1: Anything like this?
Speaker 6: I have not, and I'm going to admit something terrible
Speaker 6: for the audience. I graduated from law school more than
Speaker 6: forty years ago. I have been looking at this for
Speaker 6: a very long time. I have tridecases, I've argued appeals. Listen,
Speaker 6: I'm a business person, but never have I seen anything
Speaker 6: like this. The judges, let me take a step back.
Speaker 6: They've been activist judges ever since the Earl Warren Court
Speaker 6: in the nineteen fifties. These judges like Justice Douglas, who
Speaker 6: famously found penumbers emanating from the Constitution, and in these
Speaker 6: penumbers he found rights that had never been enumerated. And
Speaker 6: I love Justice Douglas is on LSD, which was the
Speaker 6: drug of choice in his era. But that was bizarre.
Speaker 6: What we're seeing now is different. We're seeing judges go
Speaker 6: on and on about their feelings. This judge, Susan Illiston,
Speaker 6: who enjoyed the layoffs during the shutdown, said that the
Speaker 6: federal workforce has been under great stress ever since Donald
Speaker 6: Trump was elected, and these layoffs are just traumatizing to them,
Speaker 6: and therefore they can't seed. It's snowflakes and safe spaces.
Speaker 6: And I just don't feel good. It's just not nice.
Speaker 6: And that's not what federal judges are supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not And as you point out in your
Speaker 2: story on Real Clear Politics, it's political did in analysis
Speaker 2: and eighty seven of the one hundred and fourteen federal
Speaker 2: judges who have ruled against the administration were appointed by
Speaker 2: Democrat presidents. And it's this activism on these benches that
Speaker 2: seem to be unchecked unless you get to a court
Speaker 2: above them. It's just it's running a mark, and the
Speaker 2: average person walking around the street here in Cincinnati canon
Speaker 2: feels that they're paralyzed. They can't do anything about these judges.
Speaker 2: They can't be removed. There's no vote that's going to
Speaker 2: be held, and it's like it's like the Imperial God
Speaker 2: handing down a judgment and then the old boys club
Speaker 2: above them just no, maybe so, maybe no. But when
Speaker 2: it's initially handed down, people are standing there saying, wait
Speaker 2: a minute, that's not the way this thing should operate.
Speaker 2: So if we know that, why do these judges know that?
Speaker 2: Can they not check their ideology at the door?
Speaker 6: Well, most judges do, and most judges do know that.
Speaker 6: But that's why, so let's look away.
Speaker 4: The system works.
Speaker 6: A plaintiff, an anti Trump administration, anti coop administration policy
Speaker 6: plaintiff brings a lawsuit. Almost always, that lawsuit has proper
Speaker 6: jurisdiction in Washington, DC, because the agency is based in Washington, DC.
Speaker 6: Often is also proper jurisdiction in one of the other
Speaker 6: districts around the country, because the worker is there, the
Speaker 6: union is there, the nonprofit that didn't get its funding
Speaker 6: is there. Any number of reasons at the beginning of
Speaker 6: this process, Normally, these lawsuits would have been filed in DC,
Speaker 6: San Francisco, and Boston, which were districts that were almost
Speaker 6: completely Biden Obama Clinton progressive appointees, because the cases were
Speaker 6: assigned by luck of the draw, and you were much
Speaker 6: more likely to get a progressive judge. As time goes on,
Speaker 6: the system changes a little. Cases are assigned to it's
Speaker 6: called related cases, and a lot of the cases they're
Speaker 6: being filed now it's something to do with the case
Speaker 6: that's already been filed. So if it turns out that
Speaker 6: a case, let's just say, even in Boston went to
Speaker 6: a judge that's a conservative, you just don't file in Boston.
Speaker 6: You go file someplace where it went to the progressive.
Speaker 6: We've reached the point by now because for ten months
Speaker 6: into the administration where these plantifs know exactly where a
Speaker 6: file because they know where the related case went to
Speaker 6: the judge that's their favorite. There's a reason we keep
Speaker 6: hearing the same five or ten judges over and over
Speaker 6: again coming up for a whole range of cases. It's
Speaker 6: a combination of the luck of the draw and they
Speaker 6: just that the plaintiff chooses and this related case activity.
Speaker 6: So that's a long way of saying hundreds of hundreds
Speaker 6: and hundreds of federal court judges do the right thing.
Speaker 6: It only takes thirty or forty of them to be
Speaker 6: completely amok, like James Bosberg, who's publicly said that he
Speaker 6: thinks the Trump administrations run amock can act unconstitutionally and
Speaker 6: has to be contained, or most of the judges in
Speaker 6: the Washington d C. In the District of Columbia Circuit.
Speaker 6: It doesn't take that many judges to have a judicial
Speaker 6: insurrection against the elected president.
Speaker 2: Sure, we've heard the name Judge Colleen Kohler Coatelli when
Speaker 2: the old proof of citizenship thing popped up. She's reared
Speaker 2: her head several times. We just got a judge Ga Cobb,
Speaker 2: who ironically is from just up the road here in Springfield, Ohio,
Speaker 2: who ruled that the National Guard's presence in Washington DC
Speaker 2: is quote unquote unlawful. Yeah, we're seeing the same judges
Speaker 2: because there's judge shopping that's going on. I am of
Speaker 2: the opinion, and this is I'm not a lawyer. You're
Speaker 2: a lawyer. So I'm just someone that is just just
Speaker 2: looking at this that the Supreme Court has got to
Speaker 2: slap some of these people down, and not by referring
Speaker 2: to them as the court, but by referring to them
Speaker 2: as in name, name the judge and say your ruling
Speaker 2: was wrong. The Court is growing weary of having these
Speaker 2: cases in front of us. I just think if John
Speaker 2: Roberts would just stand up and just take charge of
Speaker 2: that court and just say no first of all or
Speaker 2: inundated second of all, these are the same kind of
Speaker 2: acts that are coming in front of us. They're from
Speaker 2: the same circuit. Why won't the Supreme Court, and in
Speaker 2: particular John Roberts stand up and name names.
Speaker 6: In deo sense, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas had effectively
Speaker 6: name names. I don't see John Roberts doing it. Why
Speaker 6: won't you do it? It's not who he is, it's
Speaker 6: not in his nature. I don't think he'll do it.
Speaker 6: I don't think that you'll see that in a majority opinion. However,
Speaker 6: even Elena Kagan, in a case where she disagreed with
Speaker 6: the outcome, had the fortitude and the honesty to join
Speaker 6: with the majority and slop down one of these judges
Speaker 6: who ignored one of their previous rulings and had clearly
Speaker 6: run amook. So there is an integrity and there is
Speaker 6: an honesty even among some of the justices who don't
Speaker 6: agree with the ruling, but who do agree that precedent controls.
Speaker 6: Rulings run downhill, and federal judges have to have to
Speaker 6: follow it. You know, there's a joke that was in
Speaker 6: an opinion the other day, and I think this shows
Speaker 6: the problem with the federal judiciary in Texas. Texas registrict
Speaker 6: hats starting this whole national redistricting tite. A three judge
Speaker 6: panel last week found that this redistricting violated Section two
Speaker 6: of the Voter's Rights Act because it was racially motivated. First,
Speaker 6: that's probably not true, but let me not spend a
Speaker 6: lot of time on that. And second, the strophe in
Speaker 6: court is about probably to rule that Section two the
Speaker 6: Voter Rights Act is itself unconstitutional. That's the case that
Speaker 6: came up a few weeks ago. But if you were
Speaker 6: both of those, the descent, which is one of the
Speaker 6: stronger descents I've ever read, told a joke or two jokes.
Speaker 6: I don't know why he decided to put jokes. Maybe
Speaker 6: he's the heady young man of judges, But let me
Speaker 6: just read it, because it really does make the point.
Speaker 6: He said, there's an old joke. What's the difference between
Speaker 6: God and a federal district judge? Answer? God doesn't think
Speaker 6: he's a federal judge. Or he had said, here's another version.
Speaker 6: An angel rushes to the head of the heavenly host
Speaker 6: and said, with a problem, God has delusions of grandeur.
Speaker 6: The head angel calmly replies, what makes you say that?
Speaker 6: And the first angel answers, he's wearing his robe and
Speaker 6: keeps imagining he's a federal judge.
Speaker 2: That's okay, right.
Speaker 6: So that's what we're seeing. I call it the imperial judiciary.
Speaker 6: Some call it a judicial insurrection. They're not wrong. We're
Speaker 6: seeing thirty or forty or fifty judges because not every
Speaker 6: ruling against the Trump administration is a judge run amok.
Speaker 6: They may be sustained or overruled, but not everything Donald
Speaker 6: Trump does is so clearly permissible that the overwhelming majority
Speaker 6: of these cases are nonsensical decisions where judges are substituting
Speaker 6: their political judgment for that of the president. Courts don't
Speaker 6: even have jurism diction to rule on political judgments. They're
Speaker 6: supposed to say to a plaintiff, I'm sorry, I have
Speaker 6: to dismiss your case. That's a political question. We're here
Speaker 6: for judicial questions instead. These judges, whether they think they're
Speaker 6: God and they think they're the president, they think that
Speaker 6: their opinion is more important or better than the president
Speaker 6: because they have Trump derangement syndrome and they're smarter.
Speaker 2: You. Yeah, And I think if I'm one of the
Speaker 2: Supremes right now, I don't care what side of the
Speaker 2: aisle or who nominated you, or what your political beliefs are,
Speaker 2: whether it's Kagan or whether it's Thomas. These lower court
Speaker 2: judges challenging, openly challenging Supreme Court decisions. You point out
Speaker 2: in this that now you've got judges like Boseburg and
Speaker 2: judges like Judge James Hoe and Judge Atlason Burrow, all
Speaker 2: in their own way challenging rulings that came down from
Speaker 2: people they should answer to. There's almost an avenue for
Speaker 2: disrespect that's been opened up for the Supreme Court. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying the Supreme Court is infallible or they don't
Speaker 2: make the right judgments all the time, of course not.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying at a certain point you have
Speaker 2: to defer to someone who's got a little more cloud
Speaker 2: than you do. And it seems like that avenue of
Speaker 2: respect is starting to get a little bumpy. Do you
Speaker 2: notice that as well? I do.
Speaker 6: And let me say this. We live in a country
Speaker 6: governed by the rule of law, and it's actually not
Speaker 6: important whether a lower court judge believes that the analysis
Speaker 6: in the Supreme Court's decision was flawed. It's not even
Speaker 6: important if they correctly observe that there's a fact error
Speaker 6: in a Supreme Court decision that may have influenced their
Speaker 6: ultimate decision. Our system only works when lower courts follow
Speaker 6: the precedence within their circuit and ultimately the precedent set
Speaker 6: by the Supreme Court. And that includes this so called
Speaker 6: shadow docket or emergency docket. It's the main docket. It's
Speaker 6: all the dockets. And when the Supreme Court says two
Speaker 6: plus two is four, and a judge, because he's adding
Speaker 6: one in three and comes to four, says, well, this
Speaker 6: is a completely different situation. I don't have to follow
Speaker 6: the Supreme Court. That undermines the rule of law. And
Speaker 6: every judge took an oath to follow the rule of law,
Speaker 6: and no one should have accepted a job as a
Speaker 6: federal court judge who didn't intend to follow the rule
Speaker 6: of law. You don't have to like it. You don't
Speaker 6: have to like the decision.
Speaker 2: You just have to follow it, you know, kenn And
Speaker 2: that's why we like you, not because you're articulate, but
Speaker 2: you make sense. You know a lot of people are articulate,
Speaker 2: but they don't make sense. You've married the two there.
Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone ever told you that, but
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you that right now. And I
Speaker 2: think your story here on the Imperial Judiciary Strikes Back
Speaker 2: really struck a nerve with me, and anybody that's interested
Speaker 2: in having that same nerve struck can find it on
Speaker 2: RealClearPolitics dot com. It's always great having you on the show.
Speaker 2: Stay well, Happy Thanksgiving, and I'm sure we'll visit soon
Speaker 2: before the next holiday. But for your time today, thank you.
Speaker 5: You.
Speaker 2: Bet I will I will Kenneth Spivack again. He can
Speaker 2: find them on RealClearPolitics dot com. Look, there's no great
Speaker 2: way to elect judges, and you go out, you have
Speaker 2: to raise money. Right if you're a judge, you're running
Speaker 2: for office, you got to raise money. Well, you're raising
Speaker 2: money from people that may wind up in your court.
Speaker 2: Think about that. Or you could appoint the judge. Well,
Speaker 2: who's appointing the judge, Well, it turns out to be
Speaker 2: somebody from a political party. Well what does that make
Speaker 2: the judge?
Speaker 11: Then?
Speaker 2: Well that judge is a Democrat or publican. There's no
Speaker 2: if there's a better way to elect judges than the
Speaker 2: only two options we have right now, Please somebody explain
Speaker 2: it to me. I don't know how you fix this,
Speaker 2: and I think therein lies the frustration. It's one twenty
Speaker 2: six News Radio seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 1: Now your host Ken Brew on News Radio seven hundred
Speaker 1: WLW two to ten.
Speaker 2: On this Saturday, will dive into the game tomorrow between
Speaker 2: New England and the Bengals. Coming up after the news
Speaker 2: at two thirty to day. Up in Columbus, Ohio State
Speaker 2: fourteen Rutgers three, ten thirty three to go, third quarter.
Speaker 2: It is yeah, it's a close game. Top two receivers
Speaker 2: for Ohio State are out and so its a quarterback.
Speaker 2: The two receivers are out because of injuries and the
Speaker 2: quarterback is given way to the backup Klinhold. So we'll
Speaker 2: see exactly how this plays out. But right now it's
Speaker 2: a bit of a struggle up in the shoe for
Speaker 2: the number one team in the country. Stay tuned for
Speaker 2: details on that. Did you notice how nobody gave a
Speaker 2: rats rerand about the Epstein files until Donald Trump was
Speaker 2: re elected in November of last year. These files have
Speaker 2: been out there for most of the last fifteen years.
Speaker 2: Epstein was convicted in twenty eight. When George W. Bush
Speaker 2: was in office, he didn't give a rats ass about him.
Speaker 2: Obama didn't. After Obama Trump came into office, and that's
Speaker 2: when Epstein allegedly offed himself in prison. And there was
Speaker 2: always these murmuring about files, and it was part of
Speaker 2: the campaign, right Trump. Donald Trump said I'm going to
Speaker 2: release the files the minute I get into office. Well,
Speaker 2: there was foot tracking after he got into office. But
Speaker 2: the only time Democrats seem to really care about them
Speaker 2: is after Trump was inaugurated. And that's where we heard
Speaker 2: Epstein files, Epstein files, Epstein files. Because they knew that
Speaker 2: from an idea standpoint, it was a party that was
Speaker 2: simply broke, it had none, so they tried to stop
Speaker 2: Trump with courts and with files from Epstein. Well, finally
Speaker 2: the files were released this week and quite frankly, Donald
Speaker 2: Trump did not have to wait for congressional approval. He
Speaker 2: could have just released them on his own, but he
Speaker 2: did not. So why was that? You never know in Washington,
Speaker 2: d C. And someone that is trying to get to
Speaker 2: the bottom of it is my next guest. His name
Speaker 2: is Lieutenant Colonel retired Pete Chin petershin War the uniform
Speaker 2: of this country, awarded the Bronze Star, served time in
Speaker 2: Afghanistan and now is part of a group that is
Speaker 2: trying to get the real information of these files out
Speaker 2: for no other reason than to help the victims and
Speaker 2: let them have their day in court, so to speak.
Speaker 2: Epstein Justice dot Com is where you can find Peter Shen,
Speaker 2: but we have found him here now on seven hundred
Speaker 2: w welw to talk about all of this and Peter Shen,
Speaker 2: how are you on this glorious Saturday.
Speaker 7: I'm fantastic, Ken, I'm glad to be with you again
Speaker 7: and it's a real pleasure to be here.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm interested in the story that you wrote.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 2: It was written obviously before this interview that we're doing.
Speaker 2: It was written earlier this past week about why it
Speaker 2: took Donald Trump to send everything to Congress, when in actuality,
Speaker 2: all he had to do was by executive orders, say
Speaker 2: release these files, and then the files would have been
Speaker 2: released by the DOJ. What do you figure was the
Speaker 2: strategy behind all of that.
Speaker 7: You know, it's difficult to look into the head of
Speaker 7: our chief executive and I would never presume to say
Speaker 7: what the president was thinking. But what I would say
Speaker 7: is that this is an issue that is an embarrassing
Speaker 7: one for President Trump. The reality is that even though
Speaker 7: they apparently cut ties meant for an extended period of
Speaker 7: time in Donald Trump's adult life, apparently one of his
Speaker 7: best friends was Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps it's more accurate
Speaker 7: to say that one of Jeffrey Epstein's best friends, to
Speaker 7: the extent that he even had a friendships, if you
Speaker 7: could call him, that was Donald Trump. Now it's an embarrassment,
Speaker 7: obviously for the President to be associated with the most
Speaker 7: notorious child sex trafficker in American history.
Speaker 2: And I get that.
Speaker 7: And so you know, President Trump is a notoriously proud
Speaker 7: and a tenacious man. And I think that once he
Speaker 7: had made up his mind that he was going to
Speaker 7: avoid embarrassment by avoiding releasing these files, it's been very
Speaker 7: difficult for him to change course, and then he faced
Speaker 7: a pretty significant rebuke from Congress, and so you get
Speaker 7: ahead of that. He instructed Republicans to vote for it
Speaker 7: versus being humiliated in a legislative sense. But you know,
Speaker 7: to me, I think it would have it would have
Speaker 7: made just as much sense for him to let Congress
Speaker 7: do his thing, do his thing, and then he could
Speaker 7: veto it if he wanted to. But I don't really
Speaker 7: know why the President is conducting his strategy related to
Speaker 7: the Epstein files the way that he is. From my standpoint,
Speaker 7: the most embarrassing information about the relationship between President Trump
Speaker 7: and Jeffrey Epstein has pretty much already emerged, and if
Speaker 7: there's if there's more, well then that would be that
Speaker 7: would of course be disturbing. I don't believe that there is.
Speaker 7: But the answer your question directly, Ken, I really don't
Speaker 7: know why the president is doing a source of terrific
Speaker 7: speculation because the approach really did not make sense.
Speaker 2: Well, he did sign, he did sign the bill when
Speaker 2: it came to his desk, and now it's out there.
Speaker 2: But you know, the narrative that I've heard from those
Speaker 2: that support Trump is well, Jeffrey Epstein really wanted to
Speaker 2: collect power, and he really wanted to cultivate people who
Speaker 2: had power, and there, in fact, is why he and
Speaker 2: Trump became I guess friends. But the fact of the
Speaker 2: matter is is the guy like power. But in the end,
Speaker 2: it sounded like when Trump did a one to eighty
Speaker 2: on him, he kind of hated Trump. And it seems
Speaker 2: to me that there's more info in these files about
Speaker 2: Democrats at this point than there is about Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: I know we haven't seen everything, but so far what
Speaker 2: we've seen has been more, has been more implicating Democrats,
Speaker 2: and it has anybody that I've seen on the Republican
Speaker 2: side of this argument, do you have any information that
Speaker 2: might be different from what I've.
Speaker 7: Seen, Well, first of all, I would just ain't clear
Speaker 7: that Epstein Justice doesn't approach this issue as a partisan matter.
Speaker 7: And it really doesn't matter to us as an organization
Speaker 7: whether it's Democrats implicated or Republicans implicated, or Libertarians or independence.
Speaker 7: What we want is everybody who's involved to be exposed.
Speaker 7: You know, for example, you know some of the emails
Speaker 7: that have come out from some of the materials that
Speaker 7: have already been released by the House Oversight Committee, have
Speaker 7: you know, I think put Larry Summers in a very
Speaker 7: very who was a former treasury secretary for the Clintons,
Speaker 7: in an absolutely horrifying life.
Speaker 4: And he's rightly.
Speaker 7: Stepping back from his duties and all this sort of things.
Speaker 7: But a guy like that, I mean, he should be
Speaker 7: publicly humiliated. He associated with one of the most notorious
Speaker 7: child sex traffickers and asked him for advice on how
Speaker 7: to get into the pants a sense of one of
Speaker 7: the of his students. So this is the guy that,
Speaker 7: if he doesn't face any legal or or civil sanctions,
Speaker 7: should at least be publicly ashamed and humiliated and not
Speaker 7: be allowed in public life ever again. And listen, I
Speaker 7: think I think all of the people that are involved
Speaker 7: need to be at the least exposed and brought to
Speaker 7: the light and publicly shamed. Sometimes in certain cases there
Speaker 7: may not be legal action that's available to take against
Speaker 7: people who are involved.
Speaker 2: For I'm not a lawyer, but I know how.
Speaker 7: Difficult it can be to bring actual charges and get convictions.
Speaker 7: But at a minimum, we should at least have the information,
Speaker 7: as an American people about who was actually involved, who
Speaker 7: did what, and who got what from it.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely I don't. I don't think you're going to
Speaker 2: get pushed back from anybody except perhaps the people that
Speaker 2: are implicated in these things. You know what I what
Speaker 2: I what I'm having trouble with is is these files
Speaker 2: have been around for a long time time. They were
Speaker 2: around certainly when Joe Biden was president, and I just
Speaker 2: find it interesting and disturbing, quite frankly, that people are
Speaker 2: only getting religion on this since Donald Trump took office
Speaker 2: in January. I mean before that, you know, Joe Biden,
Speaker 2: and even when he had controls of both House, US
Speaker 2: Congress and the US Senate, they had no interest in
Speaker 2: exposing the people that were in these files, let alone
Speaker 2: talk about them. I mean, I find that a little
Speaker 2: disingenuous by people on the left, don't you.
Speaker 7: Well, again, I'm a nonpartisan, I'm a registered independent.
Speaker 2: No, But I'm just saying, just as someone who is
Speaker 2: concerned about this, it would seem to me that if
Speaker 2: these things are as damning as they were, you know,
Speaker 2: why weren't they out there in twenty twenty at the
Speaker 2: very least. I think Epstein died in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: why weren't they released at that point? That's a great question.
Speaker 7: Why went or you can go back through each successive
Speaker 7: administration and asked the same thing. I mean why because
Speaker 7: we've been we've been fighting for disclosure for a long time. Uh.
Speaker 7: And and my partner, Nick Bryant, is the investigative journalists
Speaker 7: who both found and then took three years to get
Speaker 7: him to get anybody to publish but publish Jeffrey Epstein's
Speaker 7: Little Black Book.
Speaker 11: Uh. You know.
Speaker 7: The thing about that is that when he did that
Speaker 7: and when he got that information out into the public,
Speaker 7: even at that time when President Barack Obama was president,
Speaker 7: we were, you know, my partner and Nick was calling
Speaker 7: for disclosure, you know, more than a decade ago. So
Speaker 7: it's not just it's not just the Trump administration. It's
Speaker 7: not just the Biden administration. It's the Obama administration. It's
Speaker 7: the first Trump administration. It's the George W. Bush administration.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's it's the George W. Bush administration that
Speaker 7: uh empowered you know, Alexandra Aposta to make the sweetheart
Speaker 7: deal with Jeffrey Epstein back in two thousand and eight that.
Speaker 2: Basically let them go free for.
Speaker 7: Instead of being put underneath the jail cell for child
Speaker 7: sex abuse. So I mean, I guess what I'm saying
Speaker 7: is that that's a question that can be asked of
Speaker 7: every administration, both Republican and Democrat, since two thousand and five,
Speaker 7: and certainly I agree with you that to me, it
Speaker 7: has certainly been I think a little bit.
Speaker 2: I don't know if i'd use the word disingenuous.
Speaker 7: Maybe one word for it, but another word may be
Speaker 7: just revolving, to mean, it's been revolting to watch Democrats
Speaker 7: who have taken and a Republicans do who heretofore, who
Speaker 7: have taken no interest in this matter, all of a sudden,
Speaker 7: when it's going to put the screws to President Trump. Now, i'
Speaker 7: mean this isn't about President Trump necessarily. This is about
Speaker 7: getting justice for the victims. When the largest most horrific
Speaker 7: child sex trafficking network ever to be uncovered on humans
Speaker 7: on American soil is revealed but then covered up, well,
Speaker 7: you know, how can victims feel like they're ever going
Speaker 7: to get any healing? How can victims feel like they're
Speaker 7: safe if the entire thing continues to be pushed under
Speaker 7: the rug and the official position.
Speaker 4: Of the US government still remains that the victims are liared.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, the thing that baffles me on all
Speaker 2: this is during the election of twenty twenty four, Trump
Speaker 2: said during that election that he wanted the files out.
Speaker 2: We're just going to get him out. We're going to
Speaker 2: release him. And then he's in office for three weeks
Speaker 2: and Pam Bondi is appointed general manager General Attorney General
Speaker 2: and she says, they're on my desk and I'm going
Speaker 2: to release him. And then there was all of this
Speaker 2: foot dragging until this past week when they were finally released. Yeah, don't.
Speaker 2: I just don't understand that game, because if the Democrats
Speaker 2: had any thing on Donald Trump, we would have heard
Speaker 2: about it in the last election cycle or in the
Speaker 2: time that Joe Biden was in office. I mean, the
Speaker 2: one thing that unites Democrats more than anything else is
Speaker 2: this unabashed, unobated hatred of Donald Trump. They could care
Speaker 2: less about Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton. That's the
Speaker 2: guy that unites Democrats in their hatred. And if they
Speaker 2: had something they would have, they would have this would
Speaker 2: have been out in the public long before right now.
Speaker 2: So I have, for the life of me, I can't
Speaker 2: figure out why Trump would drag his feet on this thing,
Speaker 2: knowing full well that you know, whatever he was implicated
Speaker 2: in was not anything that was going to get him
Speaker 2: impeached or deny him on an election in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: I just it just baffles me the way this thing
Speaker 2: was played out. And I know you say you don't,
Speaker 2: you don't want to take sides politically, but at the
Speaker 2: very least you have to admit it strange.
Speaker 4: Right, Oh yeah, well, but I'm so let's let's just
Speaker 4: think about this first and.
Speaker 7: Ken, what would motivate the president of the United States,
Speaker 7: who's already been president once by the way, he's on
Speaker 7: the campaign trail. He says, look, I'm going to release
Speaker 7: the files. He's maybe never even seen these files, right,
Speaker 7: So he goes into office and then the information is
Speaker 7: presented to him. Sir, what's in these files is that
Speaker 7: Jeffrey Epstein was a CIA asset and that his child
Speaker 7: sex trafficking network was in fact monitored by CIA handlers,
Speaker 7: who then helped eliminate him when he became too much
Speaker 7: of a pain in the neck to deal with.
Speaker 2: Now, you're just speculating, speculating.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that that happened.
Speaker 7: What I am saying is that I would sure like
Speaker 7: to know if that was the truth, wouldn't you sure?
Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, does that explain the situation?
Speaker 2: It certainly does.
Speaker 7: But or worse yet, Hey, mister President, it turns out
Speaker 7: Jeffrey Epstein was in fact controlled by Masad. I mean,
Speaker 7: I'm not saying he was any of those things. Please
Speaker 7: don't misunderstand me. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm just
Speaker 7: saying when people don't know the answers, they make them up,
Speaker 7: don't they, And so especially when the answers are reasonable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, in the absence of information, all theories can
Speaker 2: be true. As a wise man once said Peter Schen,
Speaker 2: associate director of Epstein Justice dot Com. I think, Peter,
Speaker 2: you and I are going to watch this thing unfold.
Speaker 2: It will be interesting to see what information actually gets
Speaker 2: out to us. But my guess is, regardless of that,
Speaker 2: Epstein Justice will be on top of it again. Epstein
Speaker 2: Justice dot Com. This is retired the tenant Colonel Peatschen.
Speaker 2: Peter was someone who served this country for a very
Speaker 2: long time in uniform and won the Bronze Star or
Speaker 2: was awarded I'm sorry the Bronze Star. Peter it's always
Speaker 2: great catching up to you. Good stuff. Hopefully we can
Speaker 2: visit down the road. Until then, stay.
Speaker 7: Well, Thank you, Ken, I appreciate it and always great
Speaker 7: to fit it with you.
Speaker 2: No, no worries. Don't you find it odd that the
Speaker 2: minute the government shutdown ended, which was orchestrated by the Democrats,
Speaker 2: we now have the Epstein things. So now Trump kind
Speaker 2: of played this, He said, all right, you want the files.
Speaker 2: There they are. I don't care who's in them. There
Speaker 2: they are. My guess is in those files are a
Speaker 2: lot of high profile people, and I think you have
Speaker 2: to follow the money. There have been some very very
Speaker 2: interesting financial transaction between Jeffrey Epstein and some of the
Speaker 2: major banks that may be exposed inside of those Epstein files.
Speaker 2: Keep your antenna up and always understand the answer to
Speaker 2: all of our questions in life is money. To twenty
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Speaker 2: eight to three over Rutgers, Julian saying is back in
Speaker 2: the game, but their top two wide receivers aren't playing
Speaker 2: in this game. Well, you know, there was this least
Speaker 2: bit of doubt about their top two players, and given
Speaker 2: what's coming up next, I think you defer on the
Speaker 2: side of caution. There Number three, Texas A and M
Speaker 2: is comfortably ahead playing at home today. I like A
Speaker 2: and M. I just think they're a really good football team.
Speaker 2: They're playing Sanford today. That is sam frd the one
Speaker 2: win Samford Bulldogs right now, early fourth quarter, Texas A
Speaker 2: and M forty one and Samford zero. And then of
Speaker 2: course a lot of other games are occurring in and
Speaker 2: around the country today. The one we're keeping our eye
Speaker 2: on obviously, as you see in BYU, and that's tonight,
Speaker 2: Nipid night. And right here on seven hundred at WYLW
Speaker 2: tomorrow it's the Bengals against the Patriots. No Joe Burrow,
Speaker 2: he was not activated. He has of course been at
Speaker 2: least on the field practicing, but there was some thought
Speaker 2: that he might play. He is not. We'll see about
Speaker 2: Thursday night in Baltimore. And de John Anthony, the safety
Speaker 2: who has been out, not playing tomorrow. And of course
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase is not playing tomorrow, sitting out the one
Speaker 2: game suspension for spitting on a player last week. I
Speaker 2: don't want to hear about who it was Jalen Ramsey,
Speaker 2: what Ramsey might have done, didn't do, and all that
Speaker 2: you never spent on another human being under any circumstance.
Speaker 2: So anyway, he is out for tomorrow as well, and
Speaker 2: they will face one of the hottest quarterbacks in the country.
Speaker 2: That would be Drake May, who has experienced the resurgent
Speaker 2: under Mike Rabel, the head coach up there and his
Speaker 2: new coaching staff. Dax Hill, Bengal cornerback, talking about.
Speaker 12: That this week, I really just have to contain him
Speaker 12: second year, and I felt like just putting pressure on
Speaker 12: him early and I'm just making a horror for him.
Speaker 12: I feel like, well Fluster's game a little bit, so
Speaker 12: just putting pressure on him and really just playing our game.
Speaker 12: The last couple of weeks, we've kind of just made
Speaker 12: absent flow and so we just kind of just focus
Speaker 12: on ourselves and just once we do that, I feel
Speaker 12: like everything else will come together.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: Let's hope it would be refreshing to see a win anywhere,
Speaker 2: certainly at Pey Corpse Stadium. Someone who is coming to
Speaker 2: the game is someone who is so charged with covering
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. He's been on the beat up
Speaker 2: there for several years and he works for the Athletic
Speaker 2: Dot Com and I say this every time I have
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Speaker 2: covered with good journalism, No roll up ads, no cheap videos,
Speaker 2: just good solid writing. And my next guest is part
Speaker 2: of that reason. He is, I said, has been covering
Speaker 2: the Patriots for a while now, and it's great to
Speaker 2: welcome Chad Graft to the show. And Chad, how are
Speaker 2: you in this glorious Saturday. I'm doing well, what an intro?
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Well, you know, we kind
Speaker 2: of like the Athletic. It has its roots here in Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: and quite frankly, now, all you guys are big city,
Speaker 2: big time, big deal with the New York Times and everything,
Speaker 2: so we should be nice to you. I suppose it
Speaker 2: should be.
Speaker 4: Nice to you guys.
Speaker 13: Well, thank you. It's been fun and kind of weird
Speaker 13: to be frank This season, I moved to New England
Speaker 13: to start doing the Patriots. I grew up in New
Speaker 13: England and I've only done the Patriots for four years,
Speaker 13: and so this is my first piece of like a
Speaker 13: good football team.
Speaker 2: Let's start there. Obviously, there are a lot of reasons
Speaker 2: why a team plays well when it does not play
Speaker 2: very well the year before. But the biggest thing I
Speaker 2: look at is Mike Rabel. Coaches talk about culture. They
Speaker 2: talk about wanting to bring a new culture to the
Speaker 2: locker room, and a lot of that is just as
Speaker 2: you well know, is just coach speak. But has he
Speaker 2: done that? Is that the biggest difference from this team
Speaker 2: last year to this year? Yeah, it's truly crazy.
Speaker 13: And to be honest, I kind of dismissed a lot
Speaker 13: of it as coach speak when he was talking about
Speaker 13: it in his introductory at press conference and along the way,
Speaker 13: just because I think that you did always knew what
Speaker 13: you were going to get from Mike Rabel, just from
Speaker 13: his time in Tennessee, from his demeanor, from the way
Speaker 13: he acts, from the toughness, from all of that being.
Speaker 2: An Ohio guy.
Speaker 13: And yet, you know, I just didn't think a turnaround
Speaker 13: would be able to be pulled off this click Like
Speaker 13: this is a team that won four games last year, They.
Speaker 4: Won four games the year before.
Speaker 12: They should have had the.
Speaker 2: Number one pick. Last year. We all talked about them as.
Speaker 4: A four win team.
Speaker 13: Last year they were a three win team, and then
Speaker 13: Buffalo was They played Buffalo in the last week. All
Speaker 13: they to do was losing at the number take in
Speaker 13: Buffalo was like, whoa, whoa, We're gonna have the number
Speaker 13: one pick in division. Forget about that. So this was
Speaker 13: a terrible football team. And granted there are still questions.
Speaker 13: They've played, by far the league's easiest schedule, so it's
Speaker 13: not like, you know, a.
Speaker 4: Nine to two team that's just blowing the doors.
Speaker 2: Off of everybody.
Speaker 13: And yet they have the best record in the NFL,
Speaker 13: which is crazy to think considering what the Patriots were
Speaker 13: the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: Emblematic of all of that as Drake May who came
Speaker 2: out of college. He was a terrific college player, but
Speaker 2: he looked like he didn't. He was like that crazed
Speaker 2: dog last year. He didn't know whether to sick them
Speaker 2: or come here. I mean, it was just like he
Speaker 2: was completely lost. Now he's found what is able to
Speaker 2: quarterback whisper with this guy? Or is there something else
Speaker 2: going on with him?
Speaker 13: Well, it's amazing because he had enough moments last year
Speaker 13: he thought Okay, there might be something in there. But
Speaker 13: here was my concern coming into this season for him
Speaker 13: was I didn't think the offensive line was going to
Speaker 13: be very good. I didn't think his wide receivers were
Speaker 13: very good, and it turns out the wide receivers have
Speaker 13: been great with Stefan Diggs. The offensive line has been
Speaker 13: much much better than I expected. And then here's the
Speaker 13: other wrinkle to all of this. They brought back Josh
Speaker 13: McDaniels as offensive coordinator. And frankly, when they did that,
Speaker 13: I kind of thought, like, oh man, they're really just
Speaker 13: bring him back the retreads and playing all the hits
Speaker 13: from what worked in the Brady days. And like, we've
Speaker 13: seen Josh McDaniels in Denver, and we've seen Josh McDaniels
Speaker 13: in Vegas. This is the guy that they're going to
Speaker 13: bring in for Drake May. And I couldn't have been
Speaker 13: more wrongly. He's been awesome as offensive coordinator. Once again,
Speaker 13: I think it just shows like some coaches probably should
Speaker 13: just remain offensive coordinators. He is an awesome, awesome, like
Speaker 13: as elite as it gets offensive coordinator. So even if
Speaker 13: the head coach Stintce haven't worked, I think what Josh
Speaker 13: McDaniels is doing with Drake May is really really special.
Speaker 2: Well, who's doing it with Stefan Diggs? Because there's a
Speaker 2: resurrection in and of itself. This guy was damaged goods
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now he's blossoming. I think he's
Speaker 2: got three touchdown receptions or about seven hundred receiving yards
Speaker 2: so far this season. What's going on with him? And
Speaker 2: why is there that chemistry with Drake May?
Speaker 13: Totally And it's crazy because he's coming off with an
Speaker 13: apl tear that he suffered ten to eleven months ago,
Speaker 13: so it's not even like he's, you know, totally repaired.
Speaker 13: He didn't get a full training camp, They kind of
Speaker 13: limited his snaps early in the season, and yet in
Speaker 13: spite of all of that, he's having the season that
Speaker 13: he's happy. And it comes back to I think he's
Speaker 13: just such a smart football player, like he was one
Speaker 13: of in his prime. He's probably the best route runner
Speaker 13: in the NFL, along with DeVante Adams during that kind
Speaker 13: of twenty eighteen nineteen run.
Speaker 4: And that has lasted.
Speaker 13: Like even if he may not have quite the same explosiveness,
Speaker 13: or even if he might not have quite as much
Speaker 13: speed as he once did, he's still very, very savvy
Speaker 13: as a route runner. And it's given Drake May somebody
Speaker 13: who's reliable, who's always going to be in the right spot.
Speaker 13: Like last year, Drake Man had wide receivers who didn't
Speaker 13: know how to line up or where to go and
Speaker 13: so as nothing else. Stefan Diggs has brought some professionalism
Speaker 13: there of Hey, if you tell me to run an
Speaker 13: eight yard slant like I am going to do that,
Speaker 13: I will be exactly where you need me to be.
Speaker 13: And for a quarterback like Drake who likes to kind
Speaker 13: of move around the pocket and buy time, it's helpful
Speaker 13: for him to know exactly where everyone is.
Speaker 2: I mean, it really is. It's stunning. We all know
Speaker 2: Traveon Henderson from this area of the country, and it
Speaker 2: would seem to me that the Patriots, if they're going
Speaker 2: to be successful in this game, are going to have
Speaker 2: to attack the perimeter with their run game. Teams that
Speaker 2: have attacked the Bengals with their run game have been plentiful,
Speaker 2: but those that succeed the most are the ones that
Speaker 2: can get the ball on the perimeter outside. Tell me
Speaker 2: about Henderson, who I remember more as a tackle to
Speaker 2: tackle guy at Ohio State, and then Ramandre Stevenson. Do
Speaker 2: they do a lot of that? Is there a lot
Speaker 2: of perimeter or attack with their running game with their
Speaker 2: running game.
Speaker 13: So I think it's an interesting matchup for this because
Speaker 13: I think the Patriots are probably licking their tops right now.
Speaker 13: Their running game has not been great lately. It's been
Speaker 13: boom or bust all season. They've really struggled, and they've
Speaker 13: used Ramandre Stevenson as more of, you know, the first
Speaker 13: and second down guy between the tackles, gonna get you
Speaker 13: four yards, but probably not a whole lot else, just
Speaker 13: the consistent, steady guy, and then trade down Henderson for that. Hey,
Speaker 13: let's bounce it outside here, let's take advantage of this speed.
Speaker 13: Is a very fast runner, and he's been the home
Speaker 13: run threat. Stevenson has missed the last couple of games.
Speaker 13: He's been limited and practices, so we'll see what his
Speaker 13: status is. But Trebon Henderson, I think is finally starting
Speaker 13: to come into his own. It took a little bit
Speaker 13: longer than I think the Patriots anticipated. There were some
Speaker 13: pass blocking issues, which was a bit of a surprise
Speaker 13: since he was very good at that at Ohio State.
Speaker 2: But he has just been so so explosive.
Speaker 13: He's so so good on those runs to the perimeter,
Speaker 13: and so you know, we talked about Josh McDaniels in
Speaker 13: the job that he's done an offensive coordinator. I think
Speaker 13: he's probably watched some of those Bengals games and though, boys,
Speaker 13: this is going to be a big Travon Henderson to
Speaker 13: the outside game. And remember Josh mccamis was the offensive
Speaker 13: coordinator for those years that were so frustrating for fantasy
Speaker 13: football earners with the Patriots when they would just use
Speaker 13: different running backs dependent on the opponent. I think you
Speaker 13: could see that where this will be a big Travon
Speaker 13: Henderson game on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Let's flip it to the other side of the ball.
Speaker 2: Let's talk defensively. They run a base three four. The
Speaker 2: other thing about New England I think that is interesting
Speaker 2: is Milton Williams, who looks like he's well, he won't
Speaker 2: be at the game. He's out, he's on ir Despite
Speaker 2: that that, they seem to have depth on the inside
Speaker 2: of their defensive line. I'm not discounting the loss of Williams.
Speaker 2: He's a great player, but they do seem rather stout
Speaker 2: on the inside, which allows those edge guys to get
Speaker 2: out and get after it. Explain to me what's going
Speaker 2: on a little bit on that side of the ball.
Speaker 13: Well, what's surprising to me is their plan has kind
Speaker 13: of worked perfectly better than I ever imagined, which has
Speaker 13: been they're going to put some real big bodies up
Speaker 13: front and in the middle and do everything to stop
Speaker 13: the run, to try to get you if you're running
Speaker 13: it on first down or second and long or whatever,
Speaker 13: to get you in the more obvious passing situation. And
Speaker 13: then they want to play a bunch of man defense
Speaker 13: on the back end because they really like their two
Speaker 13: outside cornerbacks Christian zal Is, a former first round pick
Speaker 13: who I think is probably a top ten corner at
Speaker 13: this point, and then Carlton Davis on the other side.
Speaker 13: So they want to get you into obvious passing situations
Speaker 13: by stopping your running game. Now, I don't know if
Speaker 13: that necessarily matches up great against the Bengals. Might just say,
Speaker 13: you want us to pass it forty five times, like, sure,
Speaker 13: we could do that, So we'll see how that matches up.
Speaker 13: But what has worked for the Patriots defense is stopping
Speaker 13: the run, and then they're getting teams into third.
Speaker 2: And long, and that's just a tough way to live. Gonzalez.
Speaker 2: It would stand a reason in football sense that with
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase out that he would man up on Tee Higgins.
Speaker 2: But Gonzalez, from what I've seen, you've seen everything. But
Speaker 2: from what I've watched, he doesn't seem to travel as much.
Speaker 2: He doesn't seem to be blocked up on the other
Speaker 2: guy's number one am I am I right about that
Speaker 2: or wrong?
Speaker 13: Well, it's interesting. Under Belichick and Gerrod Mayo, he traveled everywhere.
Speaker 2: Here's your guy, go cover your guy.
Speaker 13: I think Drabel would like to get to that point,
Speaker 13: but because of injuries and some other things, haven't quite
Speaker 13: gotten there. But because of the way the Bengals are constructed,
Speaker 13: because of the way that the Patriots as started to
Speaker 13: get healthier, it wouldn't surprise me if he does travel
Speaker 13: with te Higgins and Brabel just says, like Rabel's the
Speaker 13: introductory press comment, he said, I want to play cat defense, Like, hey, quarterbacks,
Speaker 13: you got that cat, You got that cat, go play defense.
Speaker 13: And so it wouldn't surprise me if he says, hey,
Speaker 13: chrisian Gogald, you see that guy number five, Like everywhere
Speaker 13: he goes, you follow him.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, actually, nothing has surprised me more than the
Speaker 2: fact that the Bengals offensively have put up a lot
Speaker 2: of offense in the wake of Joe Burrow's injury and
Speaker 2: still have not managed to win football games. But let's
Speaker 2: talk about Burrow for a second. Are they preparing for
Speaker 2: either Burrow or Flacco this week or is Rabel's attitude
Speaker 2: it really doesn't matter kind of both.
Speaker 13: They said that they're preparing for both, but they're also
Speaker 13: saying that their game plan and preparation isn't going to
Speaker 13: change a whole lot. And you know, the Jamar chasing,
Speaker 13: I think is the real big one in terms of
Speaker 13: when you have two awesome wide receivers like Bengals do,
Speaker 13: it makes it hard to just say, hey, Christian Zalas,
Speaker 13: you know, go take this one guy, and then you
Speaker 13: get burned by the other guy. And so I think
Speaker 13: that is a tough like that suspension is big for
Speaker 13: this matchup where the Patriots have one corner that they
Speaker 13: really like and can you know, have them travel, I
Speaker 13: think that's going to be a big difference. And I
Speaker 13: think that's going to be a fascinating matchup of Key
Speaker 13: Higgins versus Christian Dales and how that goes, because as
Speaker 13: far as the passing game goes, the Patriots have said
Speaker 13: we're going to prep a little bit for flag Out,
Speaker 13: a little bit for Burrow, But at the same time,
Speaker 13: we don't think it makes a dramatic, dramatic difference.
Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned this early in the interview, and
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think people will look at
Speaker 2: a schedule, We'll say, well, they're playing a last place schedule,
Speaker 2: or look at how easy it is. Well, look, you
Speaker 2: that team has got some big wins this year. The
Speaker 2: Buccaneers were pretty damn good when they beat the Buccaneers
Speaker 2: in Tampa a couple of weeks ago. I think they're
Speaker 2: the Bills. You go to Buffalo and you beat the
Speaker 2: Bills by three and the other one. I think that
Speaker 2: stands out. Although it wasn't against a premier team, that
Speaker 2: team put thirty two up on a Cleveland Brown's defense.
Speaker 2: So I think this thing about the soft schedule or
Speaker 2: last place, whatever you want to call it, I think
Speaker 2: oftentimes it's kind of overblown. I'm not so sure things
Speaker 2: translate as they were one year to the next, and
Speaker 2: the Patriots are an excellent example of that. It just
Speaker 2: because something happened the year before does not necessarily mean
Speaker 2: that's going to happen the next year. I really don't
Speaker 2: put a lot into the soft schedule.
Speaker 7: Do you.
Speaker 13: Yeah, At the thought schedule, I think would matter more
Speaker 13: to me if they were barely beating the Jets and
Speaker 13: the Dolphins and the Browns and these teams that they've played.
Speaker 13: But they have one of the best point differentials in
Speaker 13: the NFL because they're beating up on these bad teams
Speaker 13: the way that you would think a good team should.
Speaker 13: And so, you know, if they were beating the Browns
Speaker 13: thirteen to ten, I would probably be a little bit worried.
Speaker 2: They had the Jets on.
Speaker 13: Thursday night football rest game, and if they only won
Speaker 13: that game by three points or something, maybe he'd be
Speaker 13: a little bit worried.
Speaker 2: But it was a double digit win.
Speaker 13: For them, and they're racking up the double digit wins,
Speaker 13: and so I'm not quite as worried, even though I
Speaker 13: think it is fair to note that they have had
Speaker 13: a bunch of cupcakes on their schedule, that they are
Speaker 13: taking care of business against the bad teams the way
Speaker 13: that a good team should and would all.
Speaker 2: Right, Chad handicap this, Now, how does it play out?
Speaker 2: What will come four o'clock on Sunday afternoon? How does
Speaker 2: this thing look?
Speaker 13: Yeah, Well, I'm super fascinated by this. I'm very curious
Speaker 13: what's going to happen because this Bengals defense is exactly
Speaker 13: what the Patriots would love to.
Speaker 4: Play right now.
Speaker 13: And so I think that the Patriots actually don't try
Speaker 13: to air it out, even though they have Drake May
Speaker 13: and even though he's having an MVP season. I think
Speaker 13: they'll pick their spots when to take eapshots. But I
Speaker 13: think they're going to want to control the clock in
Speaker 13: this one. I think they're going to bounce Travon Henderson
Speaker 13: to the outside quite a bit. And I've got the
Speaker 13: Patriots winning by more than a touchdown.
Speaker 2: Well, they wouldn't be the first. Again, yet another reason
Speaker 2: why you need to subscribe to the Athletic dot com,
Speaker 2: good in depth stuff from Chad Graft. He covers the
Speaker 2: Patriots on a daily basis. All right, Chad, thanks for
Speaker 2: your time. We appreciate it, and hopefully we get a
Speaker 2: chance to talk down the road aving me. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it'll be this year, but hopefully down the road.
Speaker 2: No Joe Burrow tomorrow, no c J no, no Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2: It's going to be very difficult. It just is. This
Speaker 2: team is red hot. Maybe the averages say they're due
Speaker 2: for a win for a loss, but after that streak
Speaker 2: that they've put together, it's going to be very difficult.
Speaker 2: But nevertheless, that's why you play the game, and that's
Speaker 2: why you try, and let's not forget that. Up until
Speaker 2: the last time out against Pittsburgh, Joe Flacco was putting
Speaker 2: up on goodly numbers on offense. They were just absolutely
Speaker 2: un believable. Of course, he needed to do that because
Speaker 2: the defense was giving up ungodly numbers to the other team. Nevertheless, no,
Speaker 2: Joe one point zero, Joe two point zero. Here we go.
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