WEBVTT - Ken Broo Saturday -- 11/22/25

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<v Speaker 1>Now your host Ken Brew on news radio seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>wl WU.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it would certainly seem to be him. Wherever you are,

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<v Speaker 2>hellever you may be listening, Welcome, it is now TI three,

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<v Speaker 2>You and me Bear Katz of course, play tonight. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot about college football that is percolating around

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<v Speaker 2>the country today as well. We'll get to all of that,

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<v Speaker 2>And of course the news of the day is Joe Burrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Burrow will not and OT will not play tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>against the New England Patriots. He will not and OT

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<v Speaker 2>be activated. And we'll get into the whys and the

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<v Speaker 2>wherefores of that. And I'm sure what the metrics were

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<v Speaker 2>for Zach Taylor and his staff and certainly the team

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<v Speaker 2>doctors as to why he's not playing tomorrow. To me,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes infinite sense. And I think it makes infinite

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<v Speaker 2>sense for one reason. You have another game coming up

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<v Speaker 2>on Thanksgiving night. You have a player that is by

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<v Speaker 2>most accounts, a month ahead of his recovery time, his

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<v Speaker 2>projected recovery time from toe surgery, And so do you

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<v Speaker 2>really want him on the field tomorrow for four hours

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<v Speaker 2>and then coming back four days later and playing in

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<v Speaker 2>a division game on the road against a team that

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<v Speaker 2>everybody knows can beat you up. I think it's prudent

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's wise, not just from a physical

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<v Speaker 2>or medical standpoint, but also from a strategic standpoint. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into that in a little bit, but that's the

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<v Speaker 2>headline that has come out here in the last couple

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<v Speaker 2>of hours. It has come out from national writers Ian Rapaport,

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<v Speaker 2>Adam Schefter and folks like that. So there was great

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<v Speaker 2>debate as to whether or not he would be put

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<v Speaker 2>on the active roster in time for tomorrow's game. That

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<v Speaker 2>had to happen by four o'clock this afternoon. But all

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<v Speaker 2>of that is now moot. It will be Joe Flacco

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow by Jake Browning, and so there you go. Now

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<v Speaker 2>what that does to the Bengals strategically, I can't tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>All I can tell to you is the hottest team

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<v Speaker 2>in football is coming to Cincinnati, and that would be

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<v Speaker 2>the New England Patriots. Tonight. It is finally Nip at Night.

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<v Speaker 2>Nip at Night is tonight, and we have waited two

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<v Speaker 2>years for this. If you're a UC fan, you know

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<v Speaker 2>there is no greater atmosphere at Nippert Stadium than a

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<v Speaker 2>night game NIP at night, and it hasn't happened for

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years. It happens now. Obviously because of television.

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<v Speaker 2>Folks that are televising this game dictate what time and

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<v Speaker 2>where it falls and whatnot, along with what the conference says.

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<v Speaker 2>But it makes infinite sense. You have BYU. BYU is

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<v Speaker 2>number eleven in the country at six and one inside

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<v Speaker 2>the conference, and you see is at five and two.

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<v Speaker 2>If things fall the right way this weekend, you can

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<v Speaker 2>have absolute chaos in the Big Twelve Conference for every

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<v Speaker 2>team not named Texas Tech. Texas Tech is seven and one.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got to buy this weekend. But you could have

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<v Speaker 2>you tadd six and two. You could have Houston at

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<v Speaker 2>six and two. You could have BYU at six and two,

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<v Speaker 2>and you see at six and two if it winds

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<v Speaker 2>up with a win tonight, and that's what we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to focus on right now. This is a big game

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<v Speaker 2>for you. See, they have not performed well the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple of games, and to stay relevant in the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>for things like a Big Twelve championship, as remote as

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<v Speaker 2>that may be, or even god dare we think of

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<v Speaker 2>a spot in the college football playoff. I know settled down,

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<v Speaker 2>Ken does not get avent ourselves here. Just calm down

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<v Speaker 2>for a minute. But if we are to think about

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<v Speaker 2>things that are important over and above the football game tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be a win over BYU and Scott

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<v Speaker 2>Centerfield this week. The U see head coach. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he knows what's up and he knows the lethality if

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<v Speaker 2>indeed that's a word of the BYU offense.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I just think they're very efficient in what

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<v Speaker 3>they do offensively, and in Bachmeer is taking care of

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<v Speaker 3>the football. You know, I think the one game they

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<v Speaker 3>turned it over a couple of times, maybe against Texas

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<v Speaker 3>Tech now was the one game they lost this year.

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<v Speaker 3>So they just very efficient offense, and they're therefore, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>when you play great defense, when the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fishing, you give yourself a chance to win. Bachmeyer the

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback great first name, Bear Bachmeyer thirteen touchdowns, four interceptions,

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<v Speaker 2>completing sixty three percent of his passes. So what about

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<v Speaker 2>this and a few other nuggets in college football? We

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<v Speaker 2>Stuart Mandell, how are you in this glorious game day.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good, I'm well.

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<v Speaker 2>I am looking forward to Nip at Night. We haven't

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<v Speaker 2>had a nip at Night here in two years, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course tonight it's BYU that's in town. It has

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<v Speaker 2>not gone so well for U see the last couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks. But they've got a good b YU team

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<v Speaker 2>that's in here thanks to a quarterback in Bear Bachmeier

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<v Speaker 2>who seems to be taking at least his part of

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<v Speaker 2>the country by storm. A little bit about b YU.

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<v Speaker 2>You've seen b YU. I'm sure what stands out to

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<v Speaker 2>you except their quarterback or maybe in addition to their quarterback.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, he's a big part of it for sure. He

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<v Speaker 4>you know, came in as a true freshman and it

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't even there in the spring, but it's Stamford in

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<v Speaker 4>the spring and ends up winning the job, and he's

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<v Speaker 4>played very well save for the one game against that

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<v Speaker 4>Tech Texas Tech has made a lot of quarterback book. God,

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<v Speaker 4>they have an amazing defense, right, so and then they

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<v Speaker 4>can put by us, not just him. They can run

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<v Speaker 4>the ball to and you can usually count on Cloney's

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<v Speaker 4>pocket to have a pretty good defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>L J.

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<v Speaker 2>Martin is there is their chief running back. Six touchdowns.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I like about Blackmeier is that he distributes well.

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<v Speaker 2>I was watching, Uh it might have been the Tech game,

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<v Speaker 2>but Chase Roberts terrific player, Parker Kingston terrific player. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a diverse offense. It's gonna be very difficult I

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<v Speaker 2>think for for University of Cincinnati to defend this offense.

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<v Speaker 2>If they get on a roll tonight. What are they

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<v Speaker 2>doing defensively, b YU anything out standing?

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't say outstanding. I think they've been good, not

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<v Speaker 4>so you know, dominant. They've had some really really good

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<v Speaker 4>defenses there recently in the last few years. But to

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<v Speaker 4>their credit, right, I mean, they only lost the one game.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they've looked at defense or as the season

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<v Speaker 4>got on. You know, I think it's good for UC

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<v Speaker 4>that it's there that they're not traveling to Provo for

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<v Speaker 4>a night game. You know, that would have been a

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<v Speaker 4>tough tast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely absolute. Brendan Sorosby's come back down to Earth

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<v Speaker 2>the last couple of weeks, and what he's seeing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of is man coverage, and so far he has

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<v Speaker 2>not handled it very well. You're you're just your impressions

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<v Speaker 2>of Sorsby. I think he's a good quarterback. I think

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<v Speaker 2>he has a chance to be a great quarterback if

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<v Speaker 2>indeed he decides to come back here again next year.

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<v Speaker 2>But the fact of the matter is this man coverage

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<v Speaker 2>thing has been a problem for him the last couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks. I'm just wondering in college football as a whole,

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<v Speaker 2>is man coverage that difficult for an elite quarterback in

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<v Speaker 2>college football to handle? How does that work?

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<v Speaker 6>Well?

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<v Speaker 4>I think it more depends on the receivers, right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you a man coverage, you're betting that you can that

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<v Speaker 4>your guys are not going to get beat one on one, Right.

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<v Speaker 4>I would not recommend doing that, for instance against Ohio State,

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<v Speaker 4>but these defenses seem to think they can handle you

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<v Speaker 4>these receivers. The Utah game, you know, was one thing,

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<v Speaker 4>right that was he played very poorly that game. But

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<v Speaker 4>Utah Utah is very good. I mean you Stah had

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<v Speaker 4>the misfortune to lose two games to the two most

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<v Speaker 4>important teams they've played. Otherwise I think they'd be in

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<v Speaker 4>the stick of the playoff raase right now. The Arizona

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<v Speaker 4>one surprised me. Arizona's obviously had a better year this

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<v Speaker 4>year than they did last year, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>they are known as a great defensive team necessarily, so

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<v Speaker 4>that performance was a little puzzling. And you know what

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<v Speaker 4>else is puzzling? Can is why for the second straight

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<v Speaker 4>year or you see having a backslide over the backstretch

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<v Speaker 4>of the season right now? It's obviously they're far enough long.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not like last year where they have mist a

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<v Speaker 4>bowl game, right they got off to a much better

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<v Speaker 4>start than that. But can they uh reverse this slid

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<v Speaker 4>and to get a big win here against the team

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<v Speaker 4>that in b i U is as of this moment,

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<v Speaker 4>right on the cuff of a playoff berth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a great comparison from this from last year.

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<v Speaker 2>This year. Yeah, they fell off off the cliff last year,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm looking here at the big twelve. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I guess there's a chance that the University of Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 2>could win this conference. But I'm looking at Tech at

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<v Speaker 2>seven and one, they got to buy this week they

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<v Speaker 2>play West Virginia in their final game, that you would

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<v Speaker 2>think that would be a win eight and one would

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<v Speaker 2>you would think at the very least allow them to

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<v Speaker 2>tie for the conference championship. But there's a lot of teams.

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<v Speaker 2>Two lost teams in this conference right now, Bearcats five

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<v Speaker 2>and two inside the conference, Arizona five and two, Houston

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<v Speaker 2>five and two, Utah five and two, And if BYU

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't win here tonight at Nippert, they fall to five

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<v Speaker 2>to six and two. So I'm just I'm just wondering,

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<v Speaker 2>even though it's an outside chance for any of those teams,

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<v Speaker 2>do you anticipate Texas Tech fumbling at this point this season?

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, I'm not good enough at math to

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<v Speaker 4>know how those tie breakers would resolve. Like Cincinnati has

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<v Speaker 4>a chance to throw the Big twelve into total ko

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<v Speaker 4>outside of Tech.

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<v Speaker 2>With a win tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>Have Yeah, with a win, they're going to send the

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<v Speaker 4>Big twelve into a five way tie and depending what

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<v Speaker 4>the other teams do, obviously, but a five way high

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<v Speaker 4>per second and then they don't play each other the

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<v Speaker 4>next week. So you know, I do know that there

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<v Speaker 4>is a there's a great site that does all these

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<v Speaker 4>tiebreaker scenarios, and pretty much any of those multi team

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<v Speaker 4>tiebreakers favorite Utah. So because the youth played the toughest

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<v Speaker 4>conference schedule. So that could be in a really interesting

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<v Speaker 4>situation that BUYU loses, they beat Utah, but get beat

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<v Speaker 4>out by Utah for the Big Twelve title game. Texa

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<v Speaker 4>Tech is rolling. I think. You know, at this point

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<v Speaker 4>it's clear they are the most talented team in the

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<v Speaker 4>Big Twelve, but that doesn't mean they couldn't lose, for instance,

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<v Speaker 4>to Utah in a rematch in the Big Twelve title game.

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<v Speaker 4>The thing about that is Texas Tech. I think at

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<v Speaker 4>this point, once they lose twice, if tex Attack is

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<v Speaker 4>eleven and two, they're going to go to the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 4>And so it's going to take somebody knocking them off

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<v Speaker 4>probably to get a second Big Twelve team in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, and you look what Utah has left.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they got Kansas State, uh later on the

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<v Speaker 2>same afternoon, and they play at Kansas next week. You

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<v Speaker 2>would think those are two wins for Utah, But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean if Texas Tech, I mean, if they go

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<v Speaker 2>to eight and one, I mean, obviously it's it's over.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the Big twelve in this sense, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know you will view all of this stuff globally, but

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<v Speaker 2>I love it in this sense. Is you see the

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<v Speaker 2>ball up on any game in any week, and for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part, you don't know how this conference is

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<v Speaker 2>going to play out. It's got to be the most balanced,

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<v Speaker 2>not only statistically but in terms of talent on the

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<v Speaker 2>in the in the power for conferences. It's not it's

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<v Speaker 2>not certainly the best conference, but I think it's the

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<v Speaker 2>most competitive conference. Would you disagree with that statement, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's the for the most part, the flattest conference.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, look at at Arizona State last year, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>rising up and winning it, and they've fallen a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit this year, but not too much. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I think if you were if an NFL scout with

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<v Speaker 4>the size of BYU's roster and let's say Iowa State's roster,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think they've too much difference there. But Iowa

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<v Speaker 4>State haven't caught some breaks this year, including injury.

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<v Speaker 6>Now Texas Seconds.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of come in and disrupted that formula, Like, they

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<v Speaker 4>went out and spent the money and built themselves a

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<v Speaker 4>roster that I think could compete for the top in

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<v Speaker 4>any conference, not just the Big twelve. So they're not

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<v Speaker 4>kind of stuck in that they're not in that log game,

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<v Speaker 4>I guess, I would say, But you know, nobody knows

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<v Speaker 4>if that's going to continue, Like are they going to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to spend twenty five million dollars a year

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<v Speaker 4>after year after year in this new system? But most,

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<v Speaker 4>for the most part, these programs are very evenly matched.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is. And what's interesting is you mentioned BYU

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<v Speaker 2>on the cusp of a playoff spot. You've got three

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<v Speaker 2>Big twelve teams right now in the latest rankings among

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<v Speaker 2>the top twelve. Now, well three obviously aren't going to

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<v Speaker 2>get in, but I mean, could you could see a

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<v Speaker 2>scenario where two Big twelve teams would make the playoffs?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>I think that to me has a lot of respect

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<v Speaker 4>for those top three teams and the Big twelve, And

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<v Speaker 4>you're seeing that they just don't have as much respect

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<v Speaker 4>for them as they do the SEC. And so you see,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, like in Oklahoma when at Alabama and moves

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<v Speaker 4>jumps up over them. I would love. I would be

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<v Speaker 4>so to see what would happen if Frankly wouldn't take

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<v Speaker 4>as many dominoes for this to happen, Vanderbilt and Utah

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<v Speaker 4>competing for the last that large spot because people would

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<v Speaker 4>automatically some people would automatically default to the SEC team.

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<v Speaker 4>But they both have two losses now Vanderbilt two spots

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<v Speaker 4>behind them. Is Vanderbilt beating Tennessee at the end of

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<v Speaker 4>the season going to make me that much of your

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<v Speaker 4>difference that they would leave problem? In other words, if

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<v Speaker 4>that were to happen, that tells me they're never going

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<v Speaker 4>to the big tall team to benefit the doubt over

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<v Speaker 4>the SEC. Because right now it's like does you saw

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<v Speaker 4>have us? Can you taw keep moving up or do

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<v Speaker 4>you or they have Utah right at the ceiling that

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<v Speaker 4>they're not going to be able to move past.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we're going to see stoops in Kentucky can

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<v Speaker 2>throw a wrench into that later on this afternoon, right yeah, no, UK,

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like we're going to get Ohio State Indiana

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<v Speaker 2>in the Big Ten championship game. What would you expect

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<v Speaker 2>in a game like that? And I mean you got

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there are one two right now in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the playoff rankings, But what would you expect if

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<v Speaker 2>those two played in the Big Ten championship game.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it would be fascinating, It really would because I

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<v Speaker 4>think most people would say, well, I think Ohio State

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<v Speaker 4>is the better team all christ Indiana, but you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Ohigo State. I have watched them, they're at another level,

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<v Speaker 4>and that may be true, but I have State's schedule

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<v Speaker 4>has broken in a way that we really haven't seen

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<v Speaker 4>them play. Honestly since the Texas game. Anybody that's near them,

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't play. They haven't played AYU yet. They didn't

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<v Speaker 4>play Oregon. They're bout They're going to finally play Michigan here,

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<v Speaker 4>they don't play usc They've just spent their whole season

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<v Speaker 4>playing kind of the dregs of the Big Ten. So

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be fascinated when they finally go up against the

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<v Speaker 4>team on level. I'd be fascinated to see Fernando Mendos

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<v Speaker 4>that go against you know, stay defense is unbelievable, right,

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<v Speaker 4>go against them. Can Indiana handle those will have a

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<v Speaker 4>state receivers? I don't think so, But I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know that any pretty much any team in

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<v Speaker 4>the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuart Mandeltheathletic dot Com our guest, I'm hopscotching here. Is

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Kelly ever going to have another college head coaching job?

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<v Speaker 2>And if so, at what level would anybody be interested

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<v Speaker 2>in him?

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<v Speaker 6>So?

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's a little bit different situation than James Franklin,

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<v Speaker 4>who obviously he's got another job already. James Franklin wanted

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<v Speaker 4>a very high level offense that he just couldn't quite

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<v Speaker 4>get him over the top, right, And I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>that Brian kelly lsu tenure was not was not that

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<v Speaker 4>way they frankly underachieved. On top of that, he's a

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<v Speaker 4>very polarizing guy. Uh, he reves a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>The wrong way.

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<v Speaker 4>If he if he coaches again, I would think it

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<v Speaker 4>would be down the level or two. And he's he's

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<v Speaker 4>been in that level before, Right, It's just how much

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<v Speaker 4>does he want to keep coaching? Would he be willing

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<v Speaker 4>after being in the SEC to go coach a team

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<v Speaker 4>in the American right or the MAC whatever.

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<v Speaker 7>It may be?

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't know his at his point he might

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<v Speaker 4>just stay him done. But if you want to lashue money,

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<v Speaker 4>he's got to at least look for a comparable job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I I The only the reason why I

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<v Speaker 2>ask is you talk about a polarizing figure. He's not

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<v Speaker 2>polarizing in this town by any stretch of the imagination.

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<v Speaker 2>He left on the wrong side of the equation. But

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<v Speaker 2>he does. He does really kind of represent I think,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like a hired gun, if you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. You know, you could you could, you could

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<v Speaker 2>hire him at, for example, a MAC school or Conference

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<v Speaker 2>USA school, and all of a sudden, your program is

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<v Speaker 2>elevated to a point where maybe you can dream about

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<v Speaker 2>getting into one of those slots if the playoff is expanded.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just I just think it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>very tough for any school to look at him and say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is our guy, knowing full well that

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<v Speaker 2>if he has any success at that level, he's probably

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<v Speaker 2>out the door for the next big job that comes

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<v Speaker 2>down the pike.

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<v Speaker 4>But I kind of expect to see him on ESPN

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<v Speaker 4>next year. Oh really, you know, I'm just guessing how

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<v Speaker 4>the inside information. But you know, he's he's very charismatic.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he'd be very good.

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<v Speaker 6>On TV, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's at a point, and he's sixty four, he's

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<v Speaker 4>at a point where like maybe he has one more

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<v Speaker 4>coaching job in him, so we'll see. I haven't heard

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<v Speaker 4>any inkling that he's in the mix for any of

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<v Speaker 4>the more prominent jobs in the cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>But as you say, if he wants at LSU money,

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<v Speaker 2>he better start looking right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, those mitigating First of all, he's trying to come

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<v Speaker 4>up with some reason the fire and for cause and

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<v Speaker 4>that fame at all. Brian Kelly filed that lawsuit. Oh

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<v Speaker 4>by the way, having a lawsuit against one of the

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<v Speaker 4>schools is also not something that school, you know, another

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<v Speaker 4>school would love to hang you over it. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>he does if he wants to get that money and

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<v Speaker 4>follow the the you know, the contract it does. It

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<v Speaker 4>has a mitigating clause where he has to at least

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<v Speaker 4>seek a comparable child like James Franklin did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, he's a piece of work. Stewart, thanks again

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<v Speaker 2>for your time, man, We appreciate it. Stuartmandeldyathletic dot Com

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<v Speaker 2>great great coverage of college football, and he is obviously

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<v Speaker 2>at the epicenter of it. All right, have a great Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 2>Stewart will visit down the road.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks all right, Yeah, I have a great Thanksgiving again.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, So you got Ohio State on the field right

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<v Speaker 2>now with Rutgers. It is up at the shoe with

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<v Speaker 2>seven fifty to go first quarter, it is scoreless, and

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State is playing without their two top wide receivers,

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<v Speaker 2>Tate and Smith. Later on this afternoon, you've got Kentucky

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<v Speaker 2>at Vanderbilt. That is a three point thirty kickoff. We

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<v Speaker 2>talked about college football playoff implications in that game for Vanderbilt,

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<v Speaker 2>and then of course you have BYU and you tonight

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<v Speaker 2>at nip Indiana is off this weekend. They are at

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<v Speaker 2>Purdue this coming Friday night. So there's local college football

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<v Speaker 2>and of course all counting down to the college football Playoff.

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<v Speaker 2>What twelve teams make. It seems to me that Indiana

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<v Speaker 2>and Ohio State, barring they're really wild unforeseen, will both

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<v Speaker 2>be in. But who knows. As a wise man once said,

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<v Speaker 2>that is why they play the games. We are just

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<v Speaker 2>getting started on this Saturday. It's great to have you

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<v Speaker 2>with us as we press on TILL three News Radio

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred WLW. You know, is there is there ever

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<v Speaker 2>a bad time for scorpion? Klauss Mighty, Klaus mighty. It's

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<v Speaker 2>plaut forty here on the East coast, and in particular

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<v Speaker 2>the great city of Cincinnati. Welcome Black. I am ken

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<v Speaker 2>Brew for what it's worth. In a big noon kickoff today,

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<v Speaker 2>you know as that pregame show, they came to the

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<v Speaker 2>friendly confines of Knippers Stadium today presented by Fox Television.

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<v Speaker 2>Urban Meyer thinks you see is going to beat BYU tonite.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go. It's kind of a fun show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always a fun show. It's really really well put together.

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<v Speaker 2>And so they were there this morning, and then of

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<v Speaker 2>course the game is tonight at eight o'clock and you

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<v Speaker 2>see rolls into this thing needing a win for a

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<v Speaker 2>number of reasons. One we just talked to Stuart Mandel

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<v Speaker 2>about it. They they had that fall off last year, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and so now they've lost a couple of games, and

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<v Speaker 2>they need to they need to get this thing back

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<v Speaker 2>on the rails. For nothing else than to stay in

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation. It's totally out of their control and it

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<v Speaker 2>most probably is not going to happen, but at least

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<v Speaker 2>stay in the conversation that if something happened is to

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<v Speaker 2>Texas Tech the unthinkable losing it West Virginia I think

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<v Speaker 2>would be kind of on thinkable at this point. But Nevertheless,

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<v Speaker 2>if Texas Tech were to stumble that, they've got a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to be in the conversation if Domino's fall the

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<v Speaker 2>right way. But if nothing else, it stops the narrative

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<v Speaker 2>from last year that things fell off the cliff on

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Caderfield's team. Now, there's been a problem the last

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<v Speaker 2>several games, and that is opposing teams have been throwing

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<v Speaker 2>man de man coverage up against the University of Cincinnati's offense,

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<v Speaker 2>and Brendan Soorsby has not been handling it well, and

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<v Speaker 2>neither have the wide receivers at the University of Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is Scott Saderfield talking about Sworsby and that problem

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<v Speaker 2>this week.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we had four drops, potentially five drops in

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<v Speaker 3>that game. If our guys catch the football, then his

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<v Speaker 3>stats are going to look a lot different, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>And I think, you know, I think that's part. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not just Brndan. I thought I thought he had a

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<v Speaker 3>really bad decision on the first play of the game,

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<v Speaker 3>like that was awful, But really after that he really

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<v Speaker 3>played pretty good. I mean, he threw the ball good.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, that ball which has been forty

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<v Speaker 3>five to fifty yards added to his stats. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you got to catch that ball yet, And I think

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<v Speaker 3>got to catch you know, and our receivers will be

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<v Speaker 3>the first to tell you, yeah, I got to catch that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And I think so it it's not just

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<v Speaker 3>on one player.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it's the whole team.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to protect good, you got to run the

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<v Speaker 3>good routes, you got to make the catches and you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, absolutely can bounce back. Yeah, Sowresby knows the

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<v Speaker 2>rap too. He talked about it after the loss last week,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, he knows he's going They're going to see.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Not every team can play great Manda man coverage. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be lying to you if I said, yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 2>watched BYU all year and they played great man dea

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<v Speaker 2>man coverage. I have not. I've seen some of their

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<v Speaker 2>games and they have played man, they have played zone.

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<v Speaker 2>And my guess is that they've seen the tape of

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<v Speaker 2>Sorsby and see how he struggles with it and the

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<v Speaker 2>receivers in dropping passes. Here's the u SE quarterback earlier

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<v Speaker 2>this week on just this issue. You know, we kind of.

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<v Speaker 8>Expected it, we expect you know, from the Utah game

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<v Speaker 8>on kind of what we were going to get and

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<v Speaker 8>you know, going back to there's a couple of decisions

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<v Speaker 8>I want back, but overall, I thought, you know, decision

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<v Speaker 8>making for the most part was pretty good. Some unfortunate,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, mishaps and a couple of misthrows, but you know,

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<v Speaker 8>at the end of the day, it's you just got

0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:17.479
<v Speaker 8>to go out there and cut loose and whatever happens happens.

0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:19.720
<v Speaker 8>And you know, we got to type that with that

0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:22.320
<v Speaker 8>mindset this week and you know, leave it all out

0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:23.639
<v Speaker 8>there and I think we'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what what the results is at the end of

0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:27.560
<v Speaker 2>the day. So you got five and two U see

0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:30.520
<v Speaker 2>at home for this eight o'clock kick BYU comes in

0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:33.000
<v Speaker 2>here at six and one. Those are conference records, not

0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:37.120
<v Speaker 2>overall records. And the over arching thing though, is it's

0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:39.840
<v Speaker 2>nip at night and we haven't had that in a

0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:43.400
<v Speaker 2>couple of years, and it's something that red shirt defensive

0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:46.360
<v Speaker 2>lineman Micah Coleman is really looking forward to. He's been

0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:50.280
<v Speaker 2>told about it, but he hasn't experienced it, so this

0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:51.840
<v Speaker 2>would be a cool thing for him tonight.

0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 9>Well, since I've got here, since I've came to campus,

0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:57.440
<v Speaker 9>nip at night has been something that everybody talks about

0:23:57.840 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 9>like the atmosphere. They say, it's a really the atmosphere.

0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:02.879
<v Speaker 9>So I just can't wait to see how the crowd looks,

0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:04.879
<v Speaker 9>how the fans go. You know, it's senior night, so

0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:09.200
<v Speaker 9>it's gonna be emotional, it's gonna be loud, crazy, and

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:11.159
<v Speaker 9>I just really just want to send a seniors out

0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:11.840
<v Speaker 9>on the right note.

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<v Speaker 2>So all the play by play begins at eight, the

0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:19.439
<v Speaker 2>pregame show at seven with mo Egger, and then as

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:21.800
<v Speaker 2>I said, all the play by play at eight with

0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Tony Pike and the now never resting Dan Horde did

0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:29.960
<v Speaker 2>a basketball game last night. You see game tonight, Tomorrow's

0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:32.159
<v Speaker 2>got the Bengals, and Monday night he's got another U

0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:36.720
<v Speaker 2>see basketball game. Somebody should ask Dan, and if I

0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.119
<v Speaker 2>have the opportunity, I will. But you know what, here's

0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:41.800
<v Speaker 2>a question Tony Pike should ask Dan tonight in the booth.

0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:46.080
<v Speaker 2>How do you keep your voice in shape? Because there

0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:48.880
<v Speaker 2>are things you can use, sprays, you can drink hot

0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:51.680
<v Speaker 2>tea and honey. There's a lot of crud that's in

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:53.640
<v Speaker 2>the air right now. It's only going to get worse.

0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 2>He could do a whole thing, They could do a

0:24:56.320 --> 0:25:02.359
<v Speaker 2>whole segment on Throat Health with Dan Horde, Dan Antony,

0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:04.760
<v Speaker 2>and Mo tonight beginning at seven o'clock here on seven

0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 2>hundred a W WELW now three point thirty. It is

0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Vanderbilt and UK in Nashville. Vandy is eight and two,

0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:16.399
<v Speaker 2>still very much in the conversation for a spot in

0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 2>the college football playoff. Oh yeah they are. UK is

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:23.160
<v Speaker 2>at five and five. It needs a win to get

0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Bold eligible. It plays this game today five and five,

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:29.640
<v Speaker 2>and then finishes the regular season next week at Louisville.

0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:33.160
<v Speaker 2>It's not been a great year obviously for Kentucky football.

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't even a great win last week against Tennessee Tech.

0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:43.119
<v Speaker 2>So this week Mark Stoops, who you know, has been

0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:45.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of dour in his news conferences, to be honest

0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 2>with he was kind of kind of more jovial this week,

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 2>but he also addressed the ongoing situation where his defense

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 2>needs to be better. His team needs to be better,

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 2>but his defense needs to be better. Here's Stoops this week.

0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:01.480
<v Speaker 10>You know, there's just there's we could we could finish better.

0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:05.280
<v Speaker 10>You know, there's there's things, there's you know, plays out

0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:07.359
<v Speaker 10>there where we just didn't finish the place. If we

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:10.359
<v Speaker 10>finished the place we finished the series and give up

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:12.960
<v Speaker 10>less points than we did. So there's a lot of

0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:15.280
<v Speaker 10>things we could do better across the board and execution.

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 10>You know, I appreciate our team's effort, you know the past.

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:21.639
<v Speaker 10>You know they been playing well, but there's things we

0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 10>could have done better. Yeah, Indiana is off, by the way,

0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 10>this weekend. They play this Friday night at Purdue in

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 10>a game that always draws a lot of attention. Right now,

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:37.680
<v Speaker 10>up in Columbus it is seven nothing Ohio State over Rutgers.

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:41.679
<v Speaker 10>Rutgers has the ball at midfield and they're fixing, as

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:44.280
<v Speaker 10>they say back in the old neighborhood, they're fixing to

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:47.080
<v Speaker 10>go to quarter number two in Columbus, seven nothing Ohio

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:52.760
<v Speaker 10>State after one. Now I don't want I'll get into

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:58.280
<v Speaker 10>the Bengals later on. There is there is a game

0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:03.680
<v Speaker 10>tomorrow night at TQL Stadium that if you're a soccer fan,

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:05.359
<v Speaker 10>you don't need to be told this. If you're an

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:07.560
<v Speaker 10>FC Cincinnati fan, you don't need to be told this.

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.479
<v Speaker 10>But even if you know this, it's good to hear

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:14.679
<v Speaker 10>it again. This is a huge and I mean huge

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.639
<v Speaker 10>football well it is football in some parts of a

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 10>soccer game. This is win or go on, loser go home.

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:26.639
<v Speaker 2>As the MLS playoffs continue, and it is FC Cincinnati

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:31.480
<v Speaker 2>against Inner Miami at TQL and you know who plays

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:38.159
<v Speaker 2>for Miami. Of course it's Messi. So there has been

0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:44.680
<v Speaker 2>success with games against Miami. When FC Cincinnati takes them on,

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 2>I believe they have a win and a tie over

0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Miami this year, and so there's at least an air

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:54.880
<v Speaker 2>of confidence going into a game tomorrow that means more

0:27:54.960 --> 0:28:00.240
<v Speaker 2>than any game they've played against Miami ever, and understanding

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 2>that the opposition is led by Messi, so there's an

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 2>air of confidence. One of the best, if not the

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 2>best player on FCC side as a vander and he

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.800
<v Speaker 2>was talking about that confidence that they have going into

0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:13.680
<v Speaker 2>this match tomorrow.

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:17.200
<v Speaker 11>He gave us a little bit of confidence because you

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 11>know how to play, played against them two games and

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 11>he were good games that we did. But it's it's

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 11>a playoff, so it can be a total different game.

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.399
<v Speaker 11>So you've got to be ready for that. Even though

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 11>you have like a lot of experience guys that can

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 11>handle the game this game pretty well, we need to

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 11>be aware of that everything can happen during the game.

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 2>This is a kick tomorrow night at TQL and as

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 2>I said, they've had they've had success against Miami, success

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>against Messi. They had a believe that had a six

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 2>nil decision over Miami last season, but Messi wasn't in

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 2>the lineup. He was out for some reason, suspension or whatever,

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 2>health I I don't know what it was. But Pat

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:04.600
<v Speaker 2>noon in this week, the FC Cincinnati coach was talking

0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:08.160
<v Speaker 2>about how much those past games mean and what they

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 2>could do in terms of strategy tomorrow night, and from

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 2>listening to the coach, the answer to that is not much.

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 5>You know, we didn't spend too much of our preparation

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 5>looking at those games, just based on.

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:21.959
<v Speaker 2>What it looks like now.

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 5>And I think they're in really good form defensively, have

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 5>continued to get better. Offensively have gotten better.

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:30.880
<v Speaker 2>And that's why.

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.960
<v Speaker 5>We have this matchup is because they've they've been really

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 5>strong now.

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 2>They both finished with sixty five points in the season.

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 2>FC Cincinnati had one more win then Inter Miami. Inter

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Miami had three more ties than FC Cincinnati, and Inner

0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Miami outscored FC Cincinnati. Inter Miami had eighty one regular

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 2>season goals. FC Cincinnati fifty two. In Miami gave up

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 2>quite a few more than CINCINNATIFC Cincinnati in the regular season. Nevertheless,

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>that's the matchup tomorrow night. And Miles Robinson is back

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>from his team, his stint with the national team and

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 2>feeling pretty sassy, feeling pretty good about where his team

0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 2>is right now. A lot of confidence overall, probably just

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 2>our intensity. We've got a good group of guys that are.

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 9>Played very intense and play together as one as a unit,

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 9>and I think when we do that, we're at our best.

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 2>So that's a five o'clock kick tomorrow at TQL Stadium,

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 2>five o'clock kick with in Miami. Winner moves on. These

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 2>are the conference semis, so you'll go to the conference

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 2>finals if you win. If you lose, of course you

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 2>go home. So there's what's on the docket at this hour.

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.160
<v Speaker 2>It is twelve to fifty one on this Saturday afternoon,

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 2>so much to get to. We want to get to

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 2>a few other topics besides what's going on in the

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 2>world of sports, and we shall do. So you're listening

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 2>to Saturday Afternoons and it's you and me and what

0:30:56.920 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 2>else should it be? On seven hundred WLW seven hundred WLW.

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 2>It is a little after one o'clock. Well, not a little.

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Let's want to wait on this Saturday. Great to have

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 2>you with us. A lot on the horizon. I believe

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 2>we have Sterling at three o'clock. In my gosh, you

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 2>would not look forward to that. And then we have

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 2>you see football at seven o'clock tonight, Nip at night,

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:21.280
<v Speaker 2>you see against BYU. Stay tuned for all of that.

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:26.280
<v Speaker 2>It has been I think a bad week for the Democrats.

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 2>There's no way to really craft it any other way.

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 2>They thought they had Trump dead to rights on these

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Epstein files because they thought he wouldn't release him, and

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 2>he didn't. I think I don't know why Trump played

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 2>what he the way he played the files. But nevertheless,

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing in there that's a smoking gun. If the

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Democrats knew that there was something in there about Trump,

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 2>and it might have also included things about Bill Clinton

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 2>or Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, they wouldn't have given

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 2>a rats rear end about Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama or

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Bill Clinton. They would have gone after Trump because there's

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 2>nothing that unites Democrats in this world more than their

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 2>unabashed and unabated hatred of Donald Trump. They would have

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 2>sacrificed plenty of their own if they thought they thought

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 2>there was anything in those files. There's not. But for

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 2>some reason, he sat on those files, and now that

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:20.320
<v Speaker 2>they have been released, most of the stuff that's coming

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 2>out is either embarrassing or possibly incriminating for Democrats, and

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 2>we've only begun to see the tip of it. I'm

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 2>sure they're Republicans named in there as well, and some

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 2>high priced players, so we'll see where that leads. The

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 2>second thing is there were a group of Democrats this

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 2>week that put together a video led by Senator Moonbeam

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 2>out of Arizona, suggesting that the people that work in

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:56.240
<v Speaker 2>intelligence in this country and our armed forces openly defy

0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 2>orders from the commander in chief. That would be pret

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:05.080
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump. That would be nothing short of treason if

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 2>those people did that, sedition. But yet they put this

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 2>video out and then they tried to backtrack. Well, you

0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:13.720
<v Speaker 2>know what, we didn't we we know we didn't mean that,

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, we man in case there's something unlawful, Well,

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 2>what did he say or order that was unlawful?

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:19.520
<v Speaker 4>Well?

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Nothing, nothing, but we're just saying that. And then when

0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Trump threatened them with legal action that could lead to

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 2>their execution, which is a possibility if you are convicted

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 2>of treason or sedition. Just check out history. That's when, Oh,

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, how could he say he's going to kill

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 2>people in the Senate. But he had to do that

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 2>to get the media's attention because the media is corrupt.

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 2>The people that deliver you the news don't want to

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 2>deliver you any news that might be in any way,

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 2>shape or form poor reflections on Democrats. That's the way

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 2>it is. I worked in that industry. I know what

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 2>it's populated with. And then, of course you had to

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>have a week where judge his way in. Judges like

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Judge Ga Cobb, whose roots are not far from where

0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 2>we're sitting right now. She declared that it's unlawful for

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:13.239
<v Speaker 2>that National Guard to remain in Washington, d C. It's

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.839
<v Speaker 2>unlawful despite the fact that Washington, d C. Is at

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 2>least a liveable city. Again. As a matter of fact,

0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:26.320
<v Speaker 2>since Trump took office in January, more than one hundred

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 2>federal court judges have ruled against the Trump administration. And

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:37.360
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, imagine that most were Democrats judges running around

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 2>thinking they rule the world in their black robes with

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:45.839
<v Speaker 2>their gabbles in hand and It prompted a good guest

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 2>of this program, Kennan Spivak from Real Clear Politics, to

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:51.160
<v Speaker 2>write a story that hit home with me this week.

0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:56.239
<v Speaker 2>The Imperial judiciary strikes back. When will this end? When

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:59.640
<v Speaker 2>will we finally get judges to stay in their lanes?

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:03.759
<v Speaker 2>Kenny and Spivak standing by to join us right now. Kennan,

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 2>how are you on this glorious day?

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:10.480
<v Speaker 6>I am just wonderful. God, this is a good day.

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 2>You sound good. You sound good. Now, let me ask

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 2>you a question. Have you ever seen in your time

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:21.880
<v Speaker 2>observing politics the amount of judicial overreach that occurs in

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:25.120
<v Speaker 2>these lower courts when it comes to all things Trump.

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 2>I go all the way back to the Kennedy. I've

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:31.320
<v Speaker 2>never seen anything like this. Have you ever seen.

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Anything like this?

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:36.840
<v Speaker 6>I have not, and I'm going to admit something terrible

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 6>for the audience. I graduated from law school more than

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:44.920
<v Speaker 6>forty years ago. I have been looking at this for

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:53.360
<v Speaker 6>a very long time. I have tridecases, I've argued appeals. Listen,

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 6>I'm a business person, but never have I seen anything

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 6>like this. The judges, let me take a step back.

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:04.399
<v Speaker 6>They've been activist judges ever since the Earl Warren Court

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 6>in the nineteen fifties. These judges like Justice Douglas, who

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 6>famously found penumbers emanating from the Constitution, and in these

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:19.800
<v Speaker 6>penumbers he found rights that had never been enumerated. And

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:24.920
<v Speaker 6>I love Justice Douglas is on LSD, which was the

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:31.440
<v Speaker 6>drug of choice in his era. But that was bizarre.

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 6>What we're seeing now is different. We're seeing judges go

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:42.799
<v Speaker 6>on and on about their feelings. This judge, Susan Illiston,

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 6>who enjoyed the layoffs during the shutdown, said that the

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:53.560
<v Speaker 6>federal workforce has been under great stress ever since Donald

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 6>Trump was elected, and these layoffs are just traumatizing to them,

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:04.279
<v Speaker 6>and therefore they can't seed. It's snowflakes and safe spaces.

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 6>And I just don't feel good. It's just not nice.

0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 6>And that's not what federal judges are supposed to be doing.

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's not And as you point out in your

0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 2>story on Real Clear Politics, it's political did in analysis

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:22.920
<v Speaker 2>and eighty seven of the one hundred and fourteen federal

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:26.840
<v Speaker 2>judges who have ruled against the administration were appointed by

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Democrat presidents. And it's this activism on these benches that

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.479
<v Speaker 2>seem to be unchecked unless you get to a court

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 2>above them. It's just it's running a mark, and the

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:42.400
<v Speaker 2>average person walking around the street here in Cincinnati canon

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:45.880
<v Speaker 2>feels that they're paralyzed. They can't do anything about these judges.

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.360
<v Speaker 2>They can't be removed. There's no vote that's going to

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:51.200
<v Speaker 2>be held, and it's like it's like the Imperial God

0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:54.360
<v Speaker 2>handing down a judgment and then the old boys club

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:58.399
<v Speaker 2>above them just no, maybe so, maybe no. But when

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:01.759
<v Speaker 2>it's initially handed down, people are standing there saying, wait

0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 2>a minute, that's not the way this thing should operate.

0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:08.800
<v Speaker 2>So if we know that, why do these judges know that?

0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:11.399
<v Speaker 2>Can they not check their ideology at the door?

0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:15.880
<v Speaker 6>Well, most judges do, and most judges do know that.

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 6>But that's why, so let's look away.

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:19.280
<v Speaker 4>The system works.

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:24.600
<v Speaker 6>A plaintiff, an anti Trump administration, anti coop administration policy

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:29.360
<v Speaker 6>plaintiff brings a lawsuit. Almost always, that lawsuit has proper

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 6>jurisdiction in Washington, DC, because the agency is based in Washington, DC.

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 6>Often is also proper jurisdiction in one of the other

0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:40.960
<v Speaker 6>districts around the country, because the worker is there, the

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:43.880
<v Speaker 6>union is there, the nonprofit that didn't get its funding

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:47.239
<v Speaker 6>is there. Any number of reasons at the beginning of

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:51.280
<v Speaker 6>this process, Normally, these lawsuits would have been filed in DC,

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 6>San Francisco, and Boston, which were districts that were almost

0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 6>completely Biden Obama Clinton progressive appointees, because the cases were

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 6>assigned by luck of the draw, and you were much

0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:12.200
<v Speaker 6>more likely to get a progressive judge. As time goes on,

0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:15.919
<v Speaker 6>the system changes a little. Cases are assigned to it's

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:18.879
<v Speaker 6>called related cases, and a lot of the cases they're

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:21.719
<v Speaker 6>being filed now it's something to do with the case

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 6>that's already been filed. So if it turns out that

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 6>a case, let's just say, even in Boston went to

0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 6>a judge that's a conservative, you just don't file in Boston.

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:35.320
<v Speaker 6>You go file someplace where it went to the progressive.

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:38.839
<v Speaker 6>We've reached the point by now because for ten months

0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 6>into the administration where these plantifs know exactly where a

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.880
<v Speaker 6>file because they know where the related case went to

0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:48.920
<v Speaker 6>the judge that's their favorite. There's a reason we keep

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:52.719
<v Speaker 6>hearing the same five or ten judges over and over

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.920
<v Speaker 6>again coming up for a whole range of cases. It's

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 6>a combination of the luck of the draw and they

0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:04.719
<v Speaker 6>just that the plaintiff chooses and this related case activity.

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:08.680
<v Speaker 6>So that's a long way of saying hundreds of hundreds

0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 6>and hundreds of federal court judges do the right thing.

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 6>It only takes thirty or forty of them to be

0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:21.120
<v Speaker 6>completely amok, like James Bosberg, who's publicly said that he

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:25.440
<v Speaker 6>thinks the Trump administrations run amock can act unconstitutionally and

0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:29.120
<v Speaker 6>has to be contained, or most of the judges in

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:33.120
<v Speaker 6>the Washington d C. In the District of Columbia Circuit.

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 6>It doesn't take that many judges to have a judicial

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 6>insurrection against the elected president.

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Sure, we've heard the name Judge Colleen Kohler Coatelli when

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:46.960
<v Speaker 2>the old proof of citizenship thing popped up. She's reared

0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:50.439
<v Speaker 2>her head several times. We just got a judge Ga Cobb,

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 2>who ironically is from just up the road here in Springfield, Ohio,

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.839
<v Speaker 2>who ruled that the National Guard's presence in Washington DC

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:01.840
<v Speaker 2>is quote unquote unlawful. Yeah, we're seeing the same judges

0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 2>because there's judge shopping that's going on. I am of

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 2>the opinion, and this is I'm not a lawyer. You're

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:11.200
<v Speaker 2>a lawyer. So I'm just someone that is just just

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:14.600
<v Speaker 2>looking at this that the Supreme Court has got to

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:17.960
<v Speaker 2>slap some of these people down, and not by referring

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:20.839
<v Speaker 2>to them as the court, but by referring to them

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 2>as in name, name the judge and say your ruling

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:28.319
<v Speaker 2>was wrong. The Court is growing weary of having these

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:31.359
<v Speaker 2>cases in front of us. I just think if John

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Roberts would just stand up and just take charge of

0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 2>that court and just say no first of all or

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 2>inundated second of all, these are the same kind of

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:42.799
<v Speaker 2>acts that are coming in front of us. They're from

0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 2>the same circuit. Why won't the Supreme Court, and in

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:48.840
<v Speaker 2>particular John Roberts stand up and name names.

0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 6>In deo sense, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas had effectively

0:41:56.280 --> 0:42:00.160
<v Speaker 6>name names. I don't see John Roberts doing it. Why

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 6>won't you do it? It's not who he is, it's

0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:06.320
<v Speaker 6>not in his nature. I don't think he'll do it.

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:10.400
<v Speaker 6>I don't think that you'll see that in a majority opinion. However,

0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:16.080
<v Speaker 6>even Elena Kagan, in a case where she disagreed with

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 6>the outcome, had the fortitude and the honesty to join

0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 6>with the majority and slop down one of these judges

0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:28.640
<v Speaker 6>who ignored one of their previous rulings and had clearly

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 6>run amook. So there is an integrity and there is

0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 6>an honesty even among some of the justices who don't

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:40.440
<v Speaker 6>agree with the ruling, but who do agree that precedent controls.

0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 6>Rulings run downhill, and federal judges have to have to

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 6>follow it. You know, there's a joke that was in

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:51.360
<v Speaker 6>an opinion the other day, and I think this shows

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 6>the problem with the federal judiciary in Texas. Texas registrict

0:42:56.120 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 6>hats starting this whole national redistricting tite. A three judge

0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:07.200
<v Speaker 6>panel last week found that this redistricting violated Section two

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:13.799
<v Speaker 6>of the Voter's Rights Act because it was racially motivated. First,

0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 6>that's probably not true, but let me not spend a

0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:18.279
<v Speaker 6>lot of time on that. And second, the strophe in

0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:22.400
<v Speaker 6>court is about probably to rule that Section two the

0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:26.520
<v Speaker 6>Voter Rights Act is itself unconstitutional. That's the case that

0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 6>came up a few weeks ago. But if you were

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:31.759
<v Speaker 6>both of those, the descent, which is one of the

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:36.200
<v Speaker 6>stronger descents I've ever read, told a joke or two jokes.

0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:39.600
<v Speaker 6>I don't know why he decided to put jokes. Maybe

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:42.400
<v Speaker 6>he's the heady young man of judges, But let me

0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:44.319
<v Speaker 6>just read it, because it really does make the point.

0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 6>He said, there's an old joke. What's the difference between

0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 6>God and a federal district judge? Answer? God doesn't think

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:56.920
<v Speaker 6>he's a federal judge. Or he had said, here's another version.

0:43:57.040 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 6>An angel rushes to the head of the heavenly host

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 6>and said, with a problem, God has delusions of grandeur.

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:07.239
<v Speaker 6>The head angel calmly replies, what makes you say that?

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 6>And the first angel answers, he's wearing his robe and

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:13.320
<v Speaker 6>keeps imagining he's a federal judge.

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:19.279
<v Speaker 2>That's okay, right.

0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 6>So that's what we're seeing. I call it the imperial judiciary.

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:27.120
<v Speaker 6>Some call it a judicial insurrection. They're not wrong. We're

0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:31.759
<v Speaker 6>seeing thirty or forty or fifty judges because not every

0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:35.280
<v Speaker 6>ruling against the Trump administration is a judge run amok.

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:40.080
<v Speaker 6>They may be sustained or overruled, but not everything Donald

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 6>Trump does is so clearly permissible that the overwhelming majority

0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:52.480
<v Speaker 6>of these cases are nonsensical decisions where judges are substituting

0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 6>their political judgment for that of the president. Courts don't

0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:04.799
<v Speaker 6>even have jurism diction to rule on political judgments. They're

0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 6>supposed to say to a plaintiff, I'm sorry, I have

0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:12.399
<v Speaker 6>to dismiss your case. That's a political question. We're here

0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 6>for judicial questions instead. These judges, whether they think they're

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:22.080
<v Speaker 6>God and they think they're the president, they think that

0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:26.400
<v Speaker 6>their opinion is more important or better than the president

0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 6>because they have Trump derangement syndrome and they're smarter.

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:35.320
<v Speaker 2>You. Yeah, And I think if I'm one of the

0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Supremes right now, I don't care what side of the

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:42.319
<v Speaker 2>aisle or who nominated you, or what your political beliefs are,

0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:46.640
<v Speaker 2>whether it's Kagan or whether it's Thomas. These lower court

0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:51.719
<v Speaker 2>judges challenging, openly challenging Supreme Court decisions. You point out

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:56.880
<v Speaker 2>in this that now you've got judges like Boseburg and

0:45:57.040 --> 0:46:01.880
<v Speaker 2>judges like Judge James Hoe and Judge Atlason Burrow, all

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:05.359
<v Speaker 2>in their own way challenging rulings that came down from

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:09.080
<v Speaker 2>people they should answer to. There's almost an avenue for

0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 2>disrespect that's been opened up for the Supreme Court. I'm

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:15.279
<v Speaker 2>not saying the Supreme Court is infallible or they don't

0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:18.279
<v Speaker 2>make the right judgments all the time, of course not.

0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:21.040
<v Speaker 2>But I'm just saying at a certain point you have

0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:23.680
<v Speaker 2>to defer to someone who's got a little more cloud

0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:26.080
<v Speaker 2>than you do. And it seems like that avenue of

0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:29.680
<v Speaker 2>respect is starting to get a little bumpy. Do you

0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:32.480
<v Speaker 2>notice that as well? I do.

0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:35.400
<v Speaker 6>And let me say this. We live in a country

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:39.880
<v Speaker 6>governed by the rule of law, and it's actually not

0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:46.240
<v Speaker 6>important whether a lower court judge believes that the analysis

0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:49.839
<v Speaker 6>in the Supreme Court's decision was flawed. It's not even

0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:53.680
<v Speaker 6>important if they correctly observe that there's a fact error

0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:57.120
<v Speaker 6>in a Supreme Court decision that may have influenced their

0:46:57.239 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 6>ultimate decision. Our system only works when lower courts follow

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:08.640
<v Speaker 6>the precedence within their circuit and ultimately the precedent set

0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 6>by the Supreme Court. And that includes this so called

0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:16.600
<v Speaker 6>shadow docket or emergency docket. It's the main docket. It's

0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:21.600
<v Speaker 6>all the dockets. And when the Supreme Court says two

0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 6>plus two is four, and a judge, because he's adding

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:29.680
<v Speaker 6>one in three and comes to four, says, well, this

0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:32.160
<v Speaker 6>is a completely different situation. I don't have to follow

0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:37.719
<v Speaker 6>the Supreme Court. That undermines the rule of law. And

0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:40.879
<v Speaker 6>every judge took an oath to follow the rule of law,

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:44.840
<v Speaker 6>and no one should have accepted a job as a

0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:48.759
<v Speaker 6>federal court judge who didn't intend to follow the rule

0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:51.799
<v Speaker 6>of law. You don't have to like it. You don't

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:53.040
<v Speaker 6>have to like the decision.

0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:56.279
<v Speaker 2>You just have to follow it, you know, kenn And

0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:59.279
<v Speaker 2>that's why we like you, not because you're articulate, but

0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 2>you make sense. You know a lot of people are articulate,

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.279
<v Speaker 2>but they don't make sense. You've married the two there.

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:06.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if anyone ever told you that, but

0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:08.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you that right now. And I

0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:11.719
<v Speaker 2>think your story here on the Imperial Judiciary Strikes Back

0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:15.360
<v Speaker 2>really struck a nerve with me, and anybody that's interested

0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:18.279
<v Speaker 2>in having that same nerve struck can find it on

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:21.719
<v Speaker 2>RealClearPolitics dot com. It's always great having you on the show.

0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:25.399
<v Speaker 2>Stay well, Happy Thanksgiving, and I'm sure we'll visit soon

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:28.560
<v Speaker 2>before the next holiday. But for your time today, thank you.

0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:30.239
<v Speaker 5>You.

0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Bet I will I will Kenneth Spivack again. He can

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:37.880
<v Speaker 2>find them on RealClearPolitics dot com. Look, there's no great

0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:43.320
<v Speaker 2>way to elect judges, and you go out, you have

0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:45.600
<v Speaker 2>to raise money. Right if you're a judge, you're running

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:47.600
<v Speaker 2>for office, you got to raise money. Well, you're raising

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:49.560
<v Speaker 2>money from people that may wind up in your court.

0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Think about that. Or you could appoint the judge. Well,

0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:55.040
<v Speaker 2>who's appointing the judge, Well, it turns out to be

0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:57.880
<v Speaker 2>somebody from a political party. Well what does that make

0:48:57.960 --> 0:48:58.319
<v Speaker 2>the judge?

0:48:58.360 --> 0:48:58.480
<v Speaker 11>Then?

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Well that judge is a Democrat or publican. There's no

0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:03.920
<v Speaker 2>if there's a better way to elect judges than the

0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:07.600
<v Speaker 2>only two options we have right now, Please somebody explain

0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:10.000
<v Speaker 2>it to me. I don't know how you fix this,

0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:14.440
<v Speaker 2>and I think therein lies the frustration. It's one twenty

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:16.799
<v Speaker 2>six News Radio seven hundred WLW.

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Now your host Ken Brew on News Radio seven hundred

0:49:23.760 --> 0:49:25.319
<v Speaker 1>WLW two to ten.

0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:29.040
<v Speaker 2>On this Saturday, will dive into the game tomorrow between

0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:31.959
<v Speaker 2>New England and the Bengals. Coming up after the news

0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:35.200
<v Speaker 2>at two thirty to day. Up in Columbus, Ohio State

0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:40.600
<v Speaker 2>fourteen Rutgers three, ten thirty three to go, third quarter.

0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:44.280
<v Speaker 2>It is yeah, it's a close game. Top two receivers

0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:49.000
<v Speaker 2>for Ohio State are out and so its a quarterback.

0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:52.400
<v Speaker 2>The two receivers are out because of injuries and the

0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:57.359
<v Speaker 2>quarterback is given way to the backup Klinhold. So we'll

0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:00.239
<v Speaker 2>see exactly how this plays out. But right now it's

0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a struggle up in the shoe for

0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:06.320
<v Speaker 2>the number one team in the country. Stay tuned for

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:10.600
<v Speaker 2>details on that. Did you notice how nobody gave a

0:50:10.719 --> 0:50:16.360
<v Speaker 2>rats rerand about the Epstein files until Donald Trump was

0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:21.080
<v Speaker 2>re elected in November of last year. These files have

0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:24.520
<v Speaker 2>been out there for most of the last fifteen years.

0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Epstein was convicted in twenty eight. When George W. Bush

0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:35.000
<v Speaker 2>was in office, he didn't give a rats ass about him.

0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:40.799
<v Speaker 2>Obama didn't. After Obama Trump came into office, and that's

0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:47.040
<v Speaker 2>when Epstein allegedly offed himself in prison. And there was

0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:49.279
<v Speaker 2>always these murmuring about files, and it was part of

0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:52.279
<v Speaker 2>the campaign, right Trump. Donald Trump said I'm going to

0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:54.640
<v Speaker 2>release the files the minute I get into office. Well,

0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:58.080
<v Speaker 2>there was foot tracking after he got into office. But

0:50:58.200 --> 0:51:00.799
<v Speaker 2>the only time Democrats seem to really care about them

0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:03.319
<v Speaker 2>is after Trump was inaugurated. And that's where we heard

0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:07.279
<v Speaker 2>Epstein files, Epstein files, Epstein files. Because they knew that

0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:10.200
<v Speaker 2>from an idea standpoint, it was a party that was

0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 2>simply broke, it had none, so they tried to stop

0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Trump with courts and with files from Epstein. Well, finally

0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:23.040
<v Speaker 2>the files were released this week and quite frankly, Donald

0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Trump did not have to wait for congressional approval. He

0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:27.360
<v Speaker 2>could have just released them on his own, but he

0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:31.760
<v Speaker 2>did not. So why was that? You never know in Washington,

0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:33.719
<v Speaker 2>d C. And someone that is trying to get to

0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:37.560
<v Speaker 2>the bottom of it is my next guest. His name

0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:43.400
<v Speaker 2>is Lieutenant Colonel retired Pete Chin petershin War the uniform

0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 2>of this country, awarded the Bronze Star, served time in

0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Afghanistan and now is part of a group that is

0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:54.120
<v Speaker 2>trying to get the real information of these files out

0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:56.520
<v Speaker 2>for no other reason than to help the victims and

0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:59.959
<v Speaker 2>let them have their day in court, so to speak.

0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Epstein Justice dot Com is where you can find Peter Shen,

0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 2>but we have found him here now on seven hundred

0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:10.879
<v Speaker 2>w welw to talk about all of this and Peter Shen,

0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:12.600
<v Speaker 2>how are you on this glorious Saturday.

0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:16.960
<v Speaker 7>I'm fantastic, Ken, I'm glad to be with you again

0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:18.440
<v Speaker 7>and it's a real pleasure to be here.

0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm interested in the story that you wrote.

0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:21.239
<v Speaker 5>It.

0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 2>It was written obviously before this interview that we're doing.

0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:27.719
<v Speaker 2>It was written earlier this past week about why it

0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:32.640
<v Speaker 2>took Donald Trump to send everything to Congress, when in actuality,

0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:35.000
<v Speaker 2>all he had to do was by executive orders, say

0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:37.560
<v Speaker 2>release these files, and then the files would have been

0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:41.080
<v Speaker 2>released by the DOJ. What do you figure was the

0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:42.640
<v Speaker 2>strategy behind all of that.

0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:48.120
<v Speaker 7>You know, it's difficult to look into the head of

0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:52.040
<v Speaker 7>our chief executive and I would never presume to say

0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:55.680
<v Speaker 7>what the president was thinking. But what I would say

0:52:56.080 --> 0:53:00.759
<v Speaker 7>is that this is an issue that is an embarrassing

0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:04.160
<v Speaker 7>one for President Trump. The reality is that even though

0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:08.400
<v Speaker 7>they apparently cut ties meant for an extended period of

0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:12.040
<v Speaker 7>time in Donald Trump's adult life, apparently one of his

0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:15.920
<v Speaker 7>best friends was Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps it's more accurate

0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:19.520
<v Speaker 7>to say that one of Jeffrey Epstein's best friends, to

0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:22.520
<v Speaker 7>the extent that he even had a friendships, if you

0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:26.640
<v Speaker 7>could call him, that was Donald Trump. Now it's an embarrassment,

0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:31.399
<v Speaker 7>obviously for the President to be associated with the most

0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:34.600
<v Speaker 7>notorious child sex trafficker in American history.

0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:35.560
<v Speaker 2>And I get that.

0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:39.920
<v Speaker 7>And so you know, President Trump is a notoriously proud

0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:45.360
<v Speaker 7>and a tenacious man. And I think that once he

0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:48.040
<v Speaker 7>had made up his mind that he was going to

0:53:48.400 --> 0:53:52.239
<v Speaker 7>avoid embarrassment by avoiding releasing these files, it's been very

0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:56.680
<v Speaker 7>difficult for him to change course, and then he faced

0:53:56.960 --> 0:54:01.399
<v Speaker 7>a pretty significant rebuke from Congress, and so you get

0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:05.200
<v Speaker 7>ahead of that. He instructed Republicans to vote for it

0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:10.000
<v Speaker 7>versus being humiliated in a legislative sense. But you know,

0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:13.480
<v Speaker 7>to me, I think it would have it would have

0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:16.080
<v Speaker 7>made just as much sense for him to let Congress

0:54:16.120 --> 0:54:18.200
<v Speaker 7>do his thing, do his thing, and then he could

0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:21.279
<v Speaker 7>veto it if he wanted to. But I don't really

0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:27.320
<v Speaker 7>know why the President is conducting his strategy related to

0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:31.040
<v Speaker 7>the Epstein files the way that he is. From my standpoint,

0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:36.120
<v Speaker 7>the most embarrassing information about the relationship between President Trump

0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:41.839
<v Speaker 7>and Jeffrey Epstein has pretty much already emerged, and if

0:54:41.880 --> 0:54:46.000
<v Speaker 7>there's if there's more, well then that would be that

0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:48.279
<v Speaker 7>would of course be disturbing. I don't believe that there is.

0:54:48.680 --> 0:54:53.000
<v Speaker 7>But the answer your question directly, Ken, I really don't

0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:58.840
<v Speaker 7>know why the president is doing a source of terrific

0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:02.839
<v Speaker 7>speculation because the approach really did not make sense.

0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:05.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, he did sign, he did sign the bill when

0:55:05.120 --> 0:55:07.799
<v Speaker 2>it came to his desk, and now it's out there.

0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:12.120
<v Speaker 2>But you know, the narrative that I've heard from those

0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:17.360
<v Speaker 2>that support Trump is well, Jeffrey Epstein really wanted to

0:55:17.400 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 2>collect power, and he really wanted to cultivate people who

0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:24.759
<v Speaker 2>had power, and there, in fact, is why he and

0:55:24.960 --> 0:55:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Trump became I guess friends. But the fact of the

0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:31.880
<v Speaker 2>matter is is the guy like power. But in the end,

0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:35.000
<v Speaker 2>it sounded like when Trump did a one to eighty

0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:37.000
<v Speaker 2>on him, he kind of hated Trump. And it seems

0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:40.040
<v Speaker 2>to me that there's more info in these files about

0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Democrats at this point than there is about Donald Trump.

0:55:43.200 --> 0:55:45.360
<v Speaker 2>I know we haven't seen everything, but so far what

0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:50.200
<v Speaker 2>we've seen has been more, has been more implicating Democrats,

0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:52.440
<v Speaker 2>and it has anybody that I've seen on the Republican

0:55:52.520 --> 0:55:55.080
<v Speaker 2>side of this argument, do you have any information that

0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:57.400
<v Speaker 2>might be different from what I've.

0:55:56.920 --> 0:56:00.439
<v Speaker 7>Seen, Well, first of all, I would just ain't clear

0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:04.279
<v Speaker 7>that Epstein Justice doesn't approach this issue as a partisan matter.

0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:07.680
<v Speaker 7>And it really doesn't matter to us as an organization

0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:13.680
<v Speaker 7>whether it's Democrats implicated or Republicans implicated, or Libertarians or independence.

0:56:14.280 --> 0:56:18.080
<v Speaker 7>What we want is everybody who's involved to be exposed.

0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:21.560
<v Speaker 7>You know, for example, you know some of the emails

0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:24.040
<v Speaker 7>that have come out from some of the materials that

0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:28.200
<v Speaker 7>have already been released by the House Oversight Committee, have

0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:32.400
<v Speaker 7>you know, I think put Larry Summers in a very

0:56:32.640 --> 0:56:36.280
<v Speaker 7>very who was a former treasury secretary for the Clintons,

0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:40.560
<v Speaker 7>in an absolutely horrifying life.

0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:42.520
<v Speaker 4>And he's rightly.

0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:45.839
<v Speaker 7>Stepping back from his duties and all this sort of things.

0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:48.480
<v Speaker 7>But a guy like that, I mean, he should be

0:56:48.600 --> 0:56:52.840
<v Speaker 7>publicly humiliated. He associated with one of the most notorious

0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:56.920
<v Speaker 7>child sex traffickers and asked him for advice on how

0:56:57.040 --> 0:57:00.759
<v Speaker 7>to get into the pants a sense of one of

0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:05.239
<v Speaker 7>the of his students. So this is the guy that,

0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:09.400
<v Speaker 7>if he doesn't face any legal or or civil sanctions,

0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:12.759
<v Speaker 7>should at least be publicly ashamed and humiliated and not

0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:16.160
<v Speaker 7>be allowed in public life ever again. And listen, I

0:57:16.280 --> 0:57:19.520
<v Speaker 7>think I think all of the people that are involved

0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:23.720
<v Speaker 7>need to be at the least exposed and brought to

0:57:23.840 --> 0:57:27.480
<v Speaker 7>the light and publicly shamed. Sometimes in certain cases there

0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:30.520
<v Speaker 7>may not be legal action that's available to take against

0:57:30.560 --> 0:57:31.520
<v Speaker 7>people who are involved.

0:57:32.080 --> 0:57:33.800
<v Speaker 2>For I'm not a lawyer, but I know how.

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:38.000
<v Speaker 7>Difficult it can be to bring actual charges and get convictions.

0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:40.920
<v Speaker 7>But at a minimum, we should at least have the information,

0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:44.360
<v Speaker 7>as an American people about who was actually involved, who

0:57:44.520 --> 0:57:46.560
<v Speaker 7>did what, and who got what from it.

0:57:47.000 --> 0:57:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh, absolutely I don't. I don't think you're going to

0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:52.360
<v Speaker 2>get pushed back from anybody except perhaps the people that

0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:55.360
<v Speaker 2>are implicated in these things. You know what I what

0:57:55.480 --> 0:57:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I what I'm having trouble with is is these files

0:57:59.040 --> 0:58:01.280
<v Speaker 2>have been around for a long time time. They were

0:58:01.560 --> 0:58:05.280
<v Speaker 2>around certainly when Joe Biden was president, and I just

0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:09.320
<v Speaker 2>find it interesting and disturbing, quite frankly, that people are

0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:12.920
<v Speaker 2>only getting religion on this since Donald Trump took office

0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:16.440
<v Speaker 2>in January. I mean before that, you know, Joe Biden,

0:58:16.640 --> 0:58:19.840
<v Speaker 2>and even when he had controls of both House, US

0:58:20.240 --> 0:58:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Congress and the US Senate, they had no interest in

0:58:23.960 --> 0:58:27.080
<v Speaker 2>exposing the people that were in these files, let alone

0:58:27.120 --> 0:58:29.760
<v Speaker 2>talk about them. I mean, I find that a little

0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:32.160
<v Speaker 2>disingenuous by people on the left, don't you.

0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:37.440
<v Speaker 7>Well, again, I'm a nonpartisan, I'm a registered independent.

0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:40.880
<v Speaker 2>No, But I'm just saying, just as someone who is

0:58:41.440 --> 0:58:44.000
<v Speaker 2>concerned about this, it would seem to me that if

0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:46.880
<v Speaker 2>these things are as damning as they were, you know,

0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:49.960
<v Speaker 2>why weren't they out there in twenty twenty at the

0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:54.120
<v Speaker 2>very least. I think Epstein died in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,

0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:57.919
<v Speaker 2>why weren't they released at that point? That's a great question.

0:58:58.320 --> 0:59:01.240
<v Speaker 7>Why went or you can go back through each successive

0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:04.560
<v Speaker 7>administration and asked the same thing. I mean why because

0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:08.080
<v Speaker 7>we've been we've been fighting for disclosure for a long time. Uh.

0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:12.360
<v Speaker 7>And and my partner, Nick Bryant, is the investigative journalists

0:59:12.400 --> 0:59:15.880
<v Speaker 7>who both found and then took three years to get

0:59:15.920 --> 0:59:19.480
<v Speaker 7>him to get anybody to publish but publish Jeffrey Epstein's

0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:20.240
<v Speaker 7>Little Black Book.

0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:21.480
<v Speaker 11>Uh. You know.

0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:26.800
<v Speaker 7>The thing about that is that when he did that

0:59:27.000 --> 0:59:29.200
<v Speaker 7>and when he got that information out into the public,

0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:33.120
<v Speaker 7>even at that time when President Barack Obama was president,

0:59:33.560 --> 0:59:38.080
<v Speaker 7>we were, you know, my partner and Nick was calling

0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:41.400
<v Speaker 7>for disclosure, you know, more than a decade ago. So

0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:45.480
<v Speaker 7>it's not just it's not just the Trump administration. It's

0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:49.920
<v Speaker 7>not just the Biden administration. It's the Obama administration. It's

0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:54.880
<v Speaker 7>the first Trump administration. It's the George W. Bush administration.

0:59:55.280 --> 0:59:58.520
<v Speaker 7>I mean, it's it's the George W. Bush administration that

0:59:58.880 --> 1:00:03.800
<v Speaker 7>uh empowered you know, Alexandra Aposta to make the sweetheart

1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:06.800
<v Speaker 7>deal with Jeffrey Epstein back in two thousand and eight that.

1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Basically let them go free for.

1:00:12.320 --> 1:00:16.080
<v Speaker 7>Instead of being put underneath the jail cell for child

1:00:16.160 --> 1:00:18.560
<v Speaker 7>sex abuse. So I mean, I guess what I'm saying

1:00:18.680 --> 1:00:20.720
<v Speaker 7>is that that's a question that can be asked of

1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:24.960
<v Speaker 7>every administration, both Republican and Democrat, since two thousand and five,

1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:29.640
<v Speaker 7>and certainly I agree with you that to me, it

1:00:29.960 --> 1:00:32.520
<v Speaker 7>has certainly been I think a little bit.

1:00:34.080 --> 1:00:38.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if i'd use the word disingenuous.

1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:40.640
<v Speaker 7>Maybe one word for it, but another word may be

1:00:40.880 --> 1:00:45.240
<v Speaker 7>just revolving, to mean, it's been revolting to watch Democrats

1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:49.160
<v Speaker 7>who have taken and a Republicans do who heretofore, who

1:00:49.240 --> 1:00:52.400
<v Speaker 7>have taken no interest in this matter, all of a sudden,

1:00:52.720 --> 1:00:55.680
<v Speaker 7>when it's going to put the screws to President Trump. Now, i'

1:00:55.680 --> 1:01:00.600
<v Speaker 7>mean this isn't about President Trump necessarily. This is about

1:01:00.760 --> 1:01:06.720
<v Speaker 7>getting justice for the victims. When the largest most horrific

1:01:07.120 --> 1:01:10.840
<v Speaker 7>child sex trafficking network ever to be uncovered on humans

1:01:11.080 --> 1:01:16.240
<v Speaker 7>on American soil is revealed but then covered up, well,

1:01:16.560 --> 1:01:18.640
<v Speaker 7>you know, how can victims feel like they're ever going

1:01:18.720 --> 1:01:21.280
<v Speaker 7>to get any healing? How can victims feel like they're

1:01:21.400 --> 1:01:24.800
<v Speaker 7>safe if the entire thing continues to be pushed under

1:01:24.800 --> 1:01:27.120
<v Speaker 7>the rug and the official position.

1:01:26.840 --> 1:01:29.480
<v Speaker 4>Of the US government still remains that the victims are liared.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, the thing that baffles me on all

1:01:31.800 --> 1:01:34.880
<v Speaker 2>this is during the election of twenty twenty four, Trump

1:01:35.000 --> 1:01:37.360
<v Speaker 2>said during that election that he wanted the files out.

1:01:37.680 --> 1:01:39.040
<v Speaker 2>We're just going to get him out. We're going to

1:01:39.120 --> 1:01:41.120
<v Speaker 2>release him. And then he's in office for three weeks

1:01:41.160 --> 1:01:45.200
<v Speaker 2>and Pam Bondi is appointed general manager General Attorney General

1:01:45.520 --> 1:01:48.640
<v Speaker 2>and she says, they're on my desk and I'm going

1:01:48.720 --> 1:01:50.440
<v Speaker 2>to release him. And then there was all of this

1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:55.320
<v Speaker 2>foot dragging until this past week when they were finally released. Yeah, don't.

1:01:55.400 --> 1:01:59.440
<v Speaker 2>I just don't understand that game, because if the Democrats

1:01:59.480 --> 1:02:03.120
<v Speaker 2>had any thing on Donald Trump, we would have heard

1:02:03.120 --> 1:02:06.360
<v Speaker 2>about it in the last election cycle or in the

1:02:06.440 --> 1:02:08.600
<v Speaker 2>time that Joe Biden was in office. I mean, the

1:02:08.640 --> 1:02:11.600
<v Speaker 2>one thing that unites Democrats more than anything else is

1:02:11.640 --> 1:02:15.720
<v Speaker 2>this unabashed, unobated hatred of Donald Trump. They could care

1:02:15.840 --> 1:02:19.680
<v Speaker 2>less about Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton. That's the

1:02:19.760 --> 1:02:23.720
<v Speaker 2>guy that unites Democrats in their hatred. And if they

1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:26.040
<v Speaker 2>had something they would have, they would have this would

1:02:26.040 --> 1:02:29.040
<v Speaker 2>have been out in the public long before right now.

1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:31.360
<v Speaker 2>So I have, for the life of me, I can't

1:02:31.400 --> 1:02:34.480
<v Speaker 2>figure out why Trump would drag his feet on this thing,

1:02:35.520 --> 1:02:38.320
<v Speaker 2>knowing full well that you know, whatever he was implicated

1:02:38.400 --> 1:02:40.920
<v Speaker 2>in was not anything that was going to get him

1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:45.000
<v Speaker 2>impeached or deny him on an election in twenty twenty four.

1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:47.440
<v Speaker 2>I just it just baffles me the way this thing

1:02:47.560 --> 1:02:49.160
<v Speaker 2>was played out. And I know you say you don't,

1:02:49.200 --> 1:02:51.480
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to take sides politically, but at the

1:02:51.600 --> 1:02:54.160
<v Speaker 2>very least you have to admit it strange.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Oh yeah, well, but I'm so let's let's just

1:02:59.120 --> 1:03:00.280
<v Speaker 4>think about this first and.

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<v Speaker 7>Ken, what would motivate the president of the United States,

1:03:05.240 --> 1:03:07.920
<v Speaker 7>who's already been president once by the way, he's on

1:03:08.080 --> 1:03:10.120
<v Speaker 7>the campaign trail. He says, look, I'm going to release

1:03:10.160 --> 1:03:12.640
<v Speaker 7>the files. He's maybe never even seen these files, right,

1:03:13.360 --> 1:03:17.600
<v Speaker 7>So he goes into office and then the information is

1:03:17.640 --> 1:03:20.760
<v Speaker 7>presented to him. Sir, what's in these files is that

1:03:20.920 --> 1:03:26.800
<v Speaker 7>Jeffrey Epstein was a CIA asset and that his child

1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:32.360
<v Speaker 7>sex trafficking network was in fact monitored by CIA handlers,

1:03:32.920 --> 1:03:37.920
<v Speaker 7>who then helped eliminate him when he became too much

1:03:37.960 --> 1:03:39.200
<v Speaker 7>of a pain in the neck to deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, you're just speculating, speculating.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying that that happened.

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<v Speaker 7>What I am saying is that I would sure like

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<v Speaker 7>to know if that was the truth, wouldn't you sure?

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, I mean, does that explain the situation?

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<v Speaker 2>It certainly does.

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<v Speaker 7>But or worse yet, Hey, mister President, it turns out

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<v Speaker 7>Jeffrey Epstein was in fact controlled by Masad. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not saying he was any of those things. Please

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<v Speaker 7>don't misunderstand me. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm just

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<v Speaker 7>saying when people don't know the answers, they make them up,

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<v Speaker 7>don't they, And so especially when the answers are reasonable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, in the absence of information, all theories can

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<v Speaker 2>be true. As a wise man once said Peter Schen,

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<v Speaker 2>associate director of Epstein Justice dot Com. I think, Peter,

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<v Speaker 2>you and I are going to watch this thing unfold.

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<v Speaker 2>It will be interesting to see what information actually gets

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<v Speaker 2>out to us. But my guess is, regardless of that,

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<v Speaker 2>Epstein Justice will be on top of it again. Epstein

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<v Speaker 2>Justice dot Com. This is retired the tenant Colonel Peatschen.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter was someone who served this country for a very

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<v Speaker 2>long time in uniform and won the Bronze Star or

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<v Speaker 2>was awarded I'm sorry the Bronze Star. Peter it's always

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<v Speaker 2>great catching up to you. Good stuff. Hopefully we can

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<v Speaker 2>visit down the road. Until then, stay.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, Thank you, Ken, I appreciate it and always great

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<v Speaker 7>to fit it with you.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no worries. Don't you find it odd that the

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<v Speaker 2>minute the government shutdown ended, which was orchestrated by the Democrats,

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<v Speaker 2>we now have the Epstein things. So now Trump kind

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<v Speaker 2>of played this, He said, all right, you want the files.

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<v Speaker 2>There they are. I don't care who's in them. There

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<v Speaker 2>they are. My guess is in those files are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of high profile people, and I think you have

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<v Speaker 2>to follow the money. There have been some very very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting financial transaction between Jeffrey Epstein and some of the

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<v Speaker 2>major banks that may be exposed inside of those Epstein files.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep your antenna up and always understand the answer to

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<v Speaker 2>all of our questions in life is money. To twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six News Radio seven hundred wl W SO waken twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eight to three over Rutgers, Julian saying is back in

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<v Speaker 2>the game, but their top two wide receivers aren't playing

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<v Speaker 2>in this game. Well, you know, there was this least

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<v Speaker 2>bit of doubt about their top two players, and given

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<v Speaker 2>what's coming up next, I think you defer on the

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<v Speaker 2>side of caution. There Number three, Texas A and M

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<v Speaker 2>is comfortably ahead playing at home today. I like A

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<v Speaker 2>and M. I just think they're a really good football team.

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<v Speaker 2>They're playing Sanford today. That is sam frd the one

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<v Speaker 2>win Samford Bulldogs right now, early fourth quarter, Texas A

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<v Speaker 2>and M forty one and Samford zero. And then of

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<v Speaker 2>course a lot of other games are occurring in and

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<v Speaker 2>around the country today. The one we're keeping our eye

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<v Speaker 2>on obviously, as you see in BYU, and that's tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>Nipid night. And right here on seven hundred at WYLW

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow it's the Bengals against the Patriots. No Joe Burrow,

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<v Speaker 2>he was not activated. He has of course been at

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<v Speaker 2>least on the field practicing, but there was some thought

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<v Speaker 2>that he might play. He is not. We'll see about

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday night in Baltimore. And de John Anthony, the safety

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<v Speaker 2>who has been out, not playing tomorrow. And of course

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<v Speaker 2>Jamar Chase is not playing tomorrow, sitting out the one

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<v Speaker 2>game suspension for spitting on a player last week. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to hear about who it was Jalen Ramsey,

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<v Speaker 2>what Ramsey might have done, didn't do, and all that

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<v Speaker 2>you never spent on another human being under any circumstance.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, he is out for tomorrow as well, and

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<v Speaker 2>they will face one of the hottest quarterbacks in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be Drake May, who has experienced the resurgent

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<v Speaker 2>under Mike Rabel, the head coach up there and his

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<v Speaker 2>new coaching staff. Dax Hill, Bengal cornerback, talking about.

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<v Speaker 12>That this week, I really just have to contain him

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<v Speaker 12>second year, and I felt like just putting pressure on

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<v Speaker 12>him early and I'm just making a horror for him.

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<v Speaker 12>I feel like, well Fluster's game a little bit, so

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<v Speaker 12>just putting pressure on him and really just playing our game.

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<v Speaker 12>The last couple of weeks, we've kind of just made

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<v Speaker 12>absent flow and so we just kind of just focus

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<v Speaker 12>on ourselves and just once we do that, I feel

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<v Speaker 12>like everything else will come together.

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<v Speaker 7>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's hope it would be refreshing to see a win anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly at Pey Corpse Stadium. Someone who is coming to

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<v Speaker 2>the game is someone who is so charged with covering

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<v Speaker 2>the New England Patriots. He's been on the beat up

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<v Speaker 2>there for several years and he works for the Athletic

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<v Speaker 2>Dot Com and I say this every time I have

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<v Speaker 2>a guest on from the Athletic. It is the best

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<v Speaker 2>investment you can make if you want to see sports

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<v Speaker 2>covered with good journalism, No roll up ads, no cheap videos,

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<v Speaker 2>just good solid writing. And my next guest is part

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<v Speaker 2>of that reason. He is, I said, has been covering

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<v Speaker 2>the Patriots for a while now, and it's great to

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<v Speaker 2>welcome Chad Graft to the show. And Chad, how are

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<v Speaker 2>you in this glorious Saturday. I'm doing well, what an intro?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me. Well, you know, we kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like the Athletic. It has its roots here in Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 2>and quite frankly, now, all you guys are big city,

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<v Speaker 2>big time, big deal with the New York Times and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>so we should be nice to you. I suppose it

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<v Speaker 2>should be.

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<v Speaker 4>Nice to you guys.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, thank you. It's been fun and kind of weird

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<v Speaker 13>to be frank This season, I moved to New England

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<v Speaker 13>to start doing the Patriots. I grew up in New

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<v Speaker 13>England and I've only done the Patriots for four years,

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<v Speaker 13>and so this is my first piece of like a

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<v Speaker 13>good football team.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start there. Obviously, there are a lot of reasons

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<v Speaker 2>why a team plays well when it does not play

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<v Speaker 2>very well the year before. But the biggest thing I

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<v Speaker 2>look at is Mike Rabel. Coaches talk about culture. They

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<v Speaker 2>talk about wanting to bring a new culture to the

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<v Speaker 2>locker room, and a lot of that is just as

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<v Speaker 2>you well know, is just coach speak. But has he

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<v Speaker 2>done that? Is that the biggest difference from this team

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<v Speaker 2>last year to this year? Yeah, it's truly crazy.

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<v Speaker 13>And to be honest, I kind of dismissed a lot

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<v Speaker 13>of it as coach speak when he was talking about

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<v Speaker 13>it in his introductory at press conference and along the way,

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<v Speaker 13>just because I think that you did always knew what

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<v Speaker 13>you were going to get from Mike Rabel, just from

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<v Speaker 13>his time in Tennessee, from his demeanor, from the way

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<v Speaker 13>he acts, from the toughness, from all of that being.

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<v Speaker 2>An Ohio guy.

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<v Speaker 13>And yet, you know, I just didn't think a turnaround

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<v Speaker 13>would be able to be pulled off this click Like

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<v Speaker 13>this is a team that won four games last year, They.

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<v Speaker 4>Won four games the year before.

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<v Speaker 12>They should have had the.

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<v Speaker 2>Number one pick. Last year. We all talked about them as.

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<v Speaker 4>A four win team.

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<v Speaker 13>Last year they were a three win team, and then

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<v Speaker 13>Buffalo was They played Buffalo in the last week. All

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<v Speaker 13>they to do was losing at the number take in

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<v Speaker 13>Buffalo was like, whoa, whoa, We're gonna have the number

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<v Speaker 13>one pick in division. Forget about that. So this was

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<v Speaker 13>a terrible football team. And granted there are still questions.

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<v Speaker 13>They've played, by far the league's easiest schedule, so it's

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<v Speaker 13>not like, you know, a.

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<v Speaker 4>Nine to two team that's just blowing the doors.

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<v Speaker 2>Off of everybody.

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<v Speaker 13>And yet they have the best record in the NFL,

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<v Speaker 13>which is crazy to think considering what the Patriots were

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<v Speaker 13>the last couple of years.

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<v Speaker 2>Emblematic of all of that as Drake May who came

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<v Speaker 2>out of college. He was a terrific college player, but

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<v Speaker 2>he looked like he didn't. He was like that crazed

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<v Speaker 2>dog last year. He didn't know whether to sick them

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<v Speaker 2>or come here. I mean, it was just like he

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<v Speaker 2>was completely lost. Now he's found what is able to

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback whisper with this guy? Or is there something else

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<v Speaker 2>going on with him?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, it's amazing because he had enough moments last year

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<v Speaker 13>he thought Okay, there might be something in there. But

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<v Speaker 13>here was my concern coming into this season for him

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<v Speaker 13>was I didn't think the offensive line was going to

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<v Speaker 13>be very good. I didn't think his wide receivers were

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<v Speaker 13>very good, and it turns out the wide receivers have

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<v Speaker 13>been great with Stefan Diggs. The offensive line has been

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<v Speaker 13>much much better than I expected. And then here's the

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<v Speaker 13>other wrinkle to all of this. They brought back Josh

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<v Speaker 13>McDaniels as offensive coordinator. And frankly, when they did that,

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<v Speaker 13>I kind of thought, like, oh man, they're really just

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<v Speaker 13>bring him back the retreads and playing all the hits

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<v Speaker 13>from what worked in the Brady days. And like, we've

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<v Speaker 13>seen Josh McDaniels in Denver, and we've seen Josh McDaniels

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<v Speaker 13>in Vegas. This is the guy that they're going to

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<v Speaker 13>bring in for Drake May. And I couldn't have been

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<v Speaker 13>more wrongly. He's been awesome as offensive coordinator. Once again,

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<v Speaker 13>I think it just shows like some coaches probably should

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<v Speaker 13>just remain offensive coordinators. He is an awesome, awesome, like

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<v Speaker 13>as elite as it gets offensive coordinator. So even if

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<v Speaker 13>the head coach Stintce haven't worked, I think what Josh

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<v Speaker 13>McDaniels is doing with Drake May is really really special.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, who's doing it with Stefan Diggs? Because there's a

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<v Speaker 2>resurrection in and of itself. This guy was damaged goods

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, now he's blossoming. I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>got three touchdown receptions or about seven hundred receiving yards

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<v Speaker 2>so far this season. What's going on with him? And

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<v Speaker 2>why is there that chemistry with Drake May?

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<v Speaker 13>Totally And it's crazy because he's coming off with an

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<v Speaker 13>apl tear that he suffered ten to eleven months ago,

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<v Speaker 13>so it's not even like he's, you know, totally repaired.

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<v Speaker 13>He didn't get a full training camp, They kind of

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<v Speaker 13>limited his snaps early in the season, and yet in

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<v Speaker 13>spite of all of that, he's having the season that

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<v Speaker 13>he's happy. And it comes back to I think he's

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<v Speaker 13>just such a smart football player, like he was one

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<v Speaker 13>of in his prime. He's probably the best route runner

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<v Speaker 13>in the NFL, along with DeVante Adams during that kind

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<v Speaker 13>of twenty eighteen nineteen run.

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<v Speaker 4>And that has lasted.

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<v Speaker 13>Like even if he may not have quite the same explosiveness,

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<v Speaker 13>or even if he might not have quite as much

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<v Speaker 13>speed as he once did, he's still very, very savvy

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<v Speaker 13>as a route runner. And it's given Drake May somebody

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<v Speaker 13>who's reliable, who's always going to be in the right spot.

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<v Speaker 13>Like last year, Drake Man had wide receivers who didn't

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<v Speaker 13>know how to line up or where to go and

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<v Speaker 13>so as nothing else. Stefan Diggs has brought some professionalism

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<v Speaker 13>there of Hey, if you tell me to run an

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<v Speaker 13>eight yard slant like I am going to do that,

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<v Speaker 13>I will be exactly where you need me to be.

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<v Speaker 13>And for a quarterback like Drake who likes to kind

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<v Speaker 13>of move around the pocket and buy time, it's helpful

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<v Speaker 13>for him to know exactly where everyone is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it really is. It's stunning. We all know

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<v Speaker 2>Traveon Henderson from this area of the country, and it

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<v Speaker 2>would seem to me that the Patriots, if they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be successful in this game, are going to have

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<v Speaker 2>to attack the perimeter with their run game. Teams that

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<v Speaker 2>have attacked the Bengals with their run game have been plentiful,

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<v Speaker 2>but those that succeed the most are the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>can get the ball on the perimeter outside. Tell me

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<v Speaker 2>about Henderson, who I remember more as a tackle to

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<v Speaker 2>tackle guy at Ohio State, and then Ramandre Stevenson. Do

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<v Speaker 2>they do a lot of that? Is there a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of perimeter or attack with their running game with their

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<v Speaker 2>running game.

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<v Speaker 13>So I think it's an interesting matchup for this because

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<v Speaker 13>I think the Patriots are probably licking their tops right now.

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<v Speaker 13>Their running game has not been great lately. It's been

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<v Speaker 13>boom or bust all season. They've really struggled, and they've

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<v Speaker 13>used Ramandre Stevenson as more of, you know, the first

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<v Speaker 13>and second down guy between the tackles, gonna get you

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<v Speaker 13>four yards, but probably not a whole lot else, just

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<v Speaker 13>the consistent, steady guy, and then trade down Henderson for that. Hey,

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<v Speaker 13>let's bounce it outside here, let's take advantage of this speed.

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<v Speaker 13>Is a very fast runner, and he's been the home

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<v Speaker 13>run threat. Stevenson has missed the last couple of games.

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<v Speaker 13>He's been limited and practices, so we'll see what his

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<v Speaker 13>status is. But Trebon Henderson, I think is finally starting

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<v Speaker 13>to come into his own. It took a little bit

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<v Speaker 13>longer than I think the Patriots anticipated. There were some

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<v Speaker 13>pass blocking issues, which was a bit of a surprise

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<v Speaker 13>since he was very good at that at Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 2>But he has just been so so explosive.

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<v Speaker 13>He's so so good on those runs to the perimeter,

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<v Speaker 13>and so you know, we talked about Josh McDaniels in

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<v Speaker 13>the job that he's done an offensive coordinator. I think

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<v Speaker 13>he's probably watched some of those Bengals games and though, boys,

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<v Speaker 13>this is going to be a big Travon Henderson to

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<v Speaker 13>the outside game. And remember Josh mccamis was the offensive

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<v Speaker 13>coordinator for those years that were so frustrating for fantasy

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<v Speaker 13>football earners with the Patriots when they would just use

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<v Speaker 13>different running backs dependent on the opponent. I think you

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<v Speaker 13>could see that where this will be a big Travon

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<v Speaker 13>Henderson game on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's flip it to the other side of the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk defensively. They run a base three four. The

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<v Speaker 2>other thing about New England I think that is interesting

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<v Speaker 2>is Milton Williams, who looks like he's well, he won't

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<v Speaker 2>be at the game. He's out, he's on ir Despite

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<v Speaker 2>that that, they seem to have depth on the inside

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<v Speaker 2>of their defensive line. I'm not discounting the loss of Williams.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a great player, but they do seem rather stout

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<v Speaker 2>on the inside, which allows those edge guys to get

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<v Speaker 2>out and get after it. Explain to me what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on a little bit on that side of the ball.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, what's surprising to me is their plan has kind

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<v Speaker 13>of worked perfectly better than I ever imagined, which has

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<v Speaker 13>been they're going to put some real big bodies up

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<v Speaker 13>front and in the middle and do everything to stop

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<v Speaker 13>the run, to try to get you if you're running

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<v Speaker 13>it on first down or second and long or whatever,

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<v Speaker 13>to get you in the more obvious passing situation. And

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<v Speaker 13>then they want to play a bunch of man defense

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<v Speaker 13>on the back end because they really like their two

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<v Speaker 13>outside cornerbacks Christian zal Is, a former first round pick

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<v Speaker 13>who I think is probably a top ten corner at

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<v Speaker 13>this point, and then Carlton Davis on the other side.

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<v Speaker 13>So they want to get you into obvious passing situations

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<v Speaker 13>by stopping your running game. Now, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 13>that necessarily matches up great against the Bengals. Might just say,

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<v Speaker 13>you want us to pass it forty five times, like, sure,

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<v Speaker 13>we could do that, So we'll see how that matches up.

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<v Speaker 13>But what has worked for the Patriots defense is stopping

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<v Speaker 13>the run, and then they're getting teams into third.

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<v Speaker 2>And long, and that's just a tough way to live. Gonzalez.

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<v Speaker 2>It would stand a reason in football sense that with

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<v Speaker 2>Jamar Chase out that he would man up on Tee Higgins.

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<v Speaker 2>But Gonzalez, from what I've seen, you've seen everything. But

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<v Speaker 2>from what I've watched, he doesn't seem to travel as much.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't seem to be blocked up on the other

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<v Speaker 2>guy's number one am I am I right about that

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<v Speaker 2>or wrong?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, it's interesting. Under Belichick and Gerrod Mayo, he traveled everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's your guy, go cover your guy.

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<v Speaker 13>I think Drabel would like to get to that point,

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<v Speaker 13>but because of injuries and some other things, haven't quite

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<v Speaker 13>gotten there. But because of the way the Bengals are constructed,

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<v Speaker 13>because of the way that the Patriots as started to

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<v Speaker 13>get healthier, it wouldn't surprise me if he does travel

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<v Speaker 13>with te Higgins and Brabel just says, like Rabel's the

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<v Speaker 13>introductory press comment, he said, I want to play cat defense, Like, hey, quarterbacks,

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<v Speaker 13>you got that cat, You got that cat, go play defense.

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<v Speaker 13>And so it wouldn't surprise me if he says, hey,

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<v Speaker 13>chrisian Gogald, you see that guy number five, Like everywhere

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<v Speaker 13>he goes, you follow him.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, actually, nothing has surprised me more than the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that the Bengals offensively have put up a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of offense in the wake of Joe Burrow's injury and

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<v Speaker 2>still have not managed to win football games. But let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about Burrow for a second. Are they preparing for

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<v Speaker 2>either Burrow or Flacco this week or is Rabel's attitude

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<v Speaker 2>it really doesn't matter kind of both.

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<v Speaker 13>They said that they're preparing for both, but they're also

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<v Speaker 13>saying that their game plan and preparation isn't going to

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<v Speaker 13>change a whole lot. And you know, the Jamar chasing,

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<v Speaker 13>I think is the real big one in terms of

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<v Speaker 13>when you have two awesome wide receivers like Bengals do,

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<v Speaker 13>it makes it hard to just say, hey, Christian Zalas,

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<v Speaker 13>you know, go take this one guy, and then you

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<v Speaker 13>get burned by the other guy. And so I think

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<v Speaker 13>that is a tough like that suspension is big for

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<v Speaker 13>this matchup where the Patriots have one corner that they

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<v Speaker 13>really like and can you know, have them travel, I

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<v Speaker 13>think that's going to be a big difference. And I

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<v Speaker 13>think that's going to be a fascinating matchup of Key

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<v Speaker 13>Higgins versus Christian Dales and how that goes, because as

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<v Speaker 13>far as the passing game goes, the Patriots have said

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<v Speaker 13>we're going to prep a little bit for flag Out,

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<v Speaker 13>a little bit for Burrow, But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 13>we don't think it makes a dramatic, dramatic difference.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you mentioned this early in the interview, and

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. I think people will look at

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<v Speaker 2>a schedule, We'll say, well, they're playing a last place schedule,

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<v Speaker 2>or look at how easy it is. Well, look, you

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<v Speaker 2>that team has got some big wins this year. The

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<v Speaker 2>Buccaneers were pretty damn good when they beat the Buccaneers

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<v Speaker 2>in Tampa a couple of weeks ago. I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>the Bills. You go to Buffalo and you beat the

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<v Speaker 2>Bills by three and the other one. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>stands out. Although it wasn't against a premier team, that

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<v Speaker 2>team put thirty two up on a Cleveland Brown's defense.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think this thing about the soft schedule or

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<v Speaker 2>last place, whatever you want to call it, I think

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<v Speaker 2>oftentimes it's kind of overblown. I'm not so sure things

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<v Speaker 2>translate as they were one year to the next, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Patriots are an excellent example of that. It just

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<v Speaker 2>because something happened the year before does not necessarily mean

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to happen the next year. I really don't

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<v Speaker 2>put a lot into the soft schedule.

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<v Speaker 7>Do you.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, At the thought schedule, I think would matter more

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<v Speaker 13>to me if they were barely beating the Jets and

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<v Speaker 13>the Dolphins and the Browns and these teams that they've played.

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<v Speaker 13>But they have one of the best point differentials in

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<v Speaker 13>the NFL because they're beating up on these bad teams

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<v Speaker 13>the way that you would think a good team should.

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<v Speaker 13>And so, you know, if they were beating the Browns

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<v Speaker 13>thirteen to ten, I would probably be a little bit worried.

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<v Speaker 2>They had the Jets on.

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<v Speaker 13>Thursday night football rest game, and if they only won

1:21:01.640 --> 1:21:04.080
<v Speaker 13>that game by three points or something, maybe he'd be

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<v Speaker 13>a little bit worried.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was a double digit win.

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<v Speaker 13>For them, and they're racking up the double digit wins,

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<v Speaker 13>and so I'm not quite as worried, even though I

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<v Speaker 13>think it is fair to note that they have had

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<v Speaker 13>a bunch of cupcakes on their schedule, that they are

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<v Speaker 13>taking care of business against the bad teams the way

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<v Speaker 13>that a good team should and would all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Chad handicap this, Now, how does it play out?

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<v Speaker 2>What will come four o'clock on Sunday afternoon? How does

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<v Speaker 2>this thing look?

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, Well, I'm super fascinated by this. I'm very curious

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<v Speaker 13>what's going to happen because this Bengals defense is exactly

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<v Speaker 13>what the Patriots would love to.

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<v Speaker 4>Play right now.

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<v Speaker 13>And so I think that the Patriots actually don't try

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<v Speaker 13>to air it out, even though they have Drake May

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<v Speaker 13>and even though he's having an MVP season. I think

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<v Speaker 13>they'll pick their spots when to take eapshots. But I

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<v Speaker 13>think they're going to want to control the clock in

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<v Speaker 13>this one. I think they're going to bounce Travon Henderson

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<v Speaker 13>to the outside quite a bit. And I've got the

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<v Speaker 13>Patriots winning by more than a touchdown.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they wouldn't be the first. Again, yet another reason

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1:22:09.160 --> 1:22:12.000
<v Speaker 2>good in depth stuff from Chad Graft. He covers the

1:22:12.080 --> 1:22:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Patriots on a daily basis. All right, Chad, thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>your time. We appreciate it, and hopefully we get a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to talk down the road aving me. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it'll be this year, but hopefully down the road.

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<v Speaker 2>No Joe Burrow tomorrow, no c J no, no Jamar Chase.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be very difficult. It just is. This

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<v Speaker 2>team is red hot. Maybe the averages say they're due

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<v Speaker 2>for a win for a loss, but after that streak

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<v Speaker 2>that they've put together, it's going to be very difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>But nevertheless, that's why you play the game, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why you try, and let's not forget that. Up until

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<v Speaker 2>the last time out against Pittsburgh, Joe Flacco was putting

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<v Speaker 2>up on goodly numbers on offense. They were just absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>un believable. Of course, he needed to do that because

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<v Speaker 2>the defense was giving up ungodly numbers to the other team. Nevertheless, no,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe one point zero, Joe two point zero. Here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>It is two fifty four News Radio seven hundred wl W.

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<v Speaker 6>Is it true?

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Brand