1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Now your host Ken Brew on news radio seven hundred 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: wl WU. 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: Well, it would certainly seem to be him. Wherever you are, 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 2: hellever you may be listening, Welcome, it is now TI three, 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 2: You and me Bear Katz of course, play tonight. And 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: there's a lot about college football that is percolating around 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: the country today as well. We'll get to all of that, 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: And of course the news of the day is Joe Burrow. 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow will not and OT will not play tomorrow 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: against the New England Patriots. He will not and OT 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: be activated. And we'll get into the whys and the 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 2: wherefores of that. And I'm sure what the metrics were 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 2: for Zach Taylor and his staff and certainly the team 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: doctors as to why he's not playing tomorrow. To me, 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: it makes infinite sense. And I think it makes infinite 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: sense for one reason. You have another game coming up 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving night. You have a player that is by 18 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: most accounts, a month ahead of his recovery time, his 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: projected recovery time from toe surgery, And so do you 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: really want him on the field tomorrow for four hours 21 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: and then coming back four days later and playing in 22 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: a division game on the road against a team that 23 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: everybody knows can beat you up. I think it's prudent 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: and I think it's wise, not just from a physical 25 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 2: or medical standpoint, but also from a strategic standpoint. We'll 26 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: get into that in a little bit, but that's the 27 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: headline that has come out here in the last couple 28 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: of hours. It has come out from national writers Ian Rapaport, 29 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 2: Adam Schefter and folks like that. So there was great 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: debate as to whether or not he would be put 31 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: on the active roster in time for tomorrow's game. That 32 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: had to happen by four o'clock this afternoon. But all 33 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: of that is now moot. It will be Joe Flacco 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: tomorrow by Jake Browning, and so there you go. Now 35 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: what that does to the Bengals strategically, I can't tell you. 36 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: All I can tell to you is the hottest team 37 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: in football is coming to Cincinnati, and that would be 38 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. Tonight. It is finally Nip at Night. 39 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 2: Nip at Night is tonight, and we have waited two 40 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 2: years for this. If you're a UC fan, you know 41 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: there is no greater atmosphere at Nippert Stadium than a 42 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: night game NIP at night, and it hasn't happened for 43 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: a couple of years. It happens now. Obviously because of television. 44 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: Folks that are televising this game dictate what time and 45 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: where it falls and whatnot, along with what the conference says. 46 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: But it makes infinite sense. You have BYU. BYU is 47 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: number eleven in the country at six and one inside 48 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 2: the conference, and you see is at five and two. 49 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: If things fall the right way this weekend, you can 50 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: have absolute chaos in the Big Twelve Conference for every 51 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: team not named Texas Tech. Texas Tech is seven and one. 52 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: They've got to buy this weekend. But you could have 53 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: you tadd six and two. You could have Houston at 54 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: six and two. You could have BYU at six and two, 55 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 2: and you see at six and two if it winds 56 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 2: up with a win tonight, and that's what we're going 57 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: to focus on right now. This is a big game 58 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: for you. See, they have not performed well the last 59 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 2: couple of games, and to stay relevant in the conversation 60 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 2: for things like a Big Twelve championship, as remote as 61 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: that may be, or even god dare we think of 62 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: a spot in the college football playoff. I know settled down, 63 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: Ken does not get avent ourselves here. Just calm down 64 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: for a minute. But if we are to think about 65 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: things that are important over and above the football game tonight, 66 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: it's going to be a win over BYU and Scott 67 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: Centerfield this week. The U see head coach. I mean, 68 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: he knows what's up and he knows the lethality if 69 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: indeed that's a word of the BYU offense. 70 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 3: You know, I just think they're very efficient in what 71 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: they do offensively, and in Bachmeer is taking care of 72 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: the football. You know, I think the one game they 73 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: turned it over a couple of times, maybe against Texas 74 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: Tech now was the one game they lost this year. 75 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: So they just very efficient offense, and they're therefore, you know, 76 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: when you play great defense, when the. 77 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: Fishing, you give yourself a chance to win. Bachmeyer the 78 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: quarterback great first name, Bear Bachmeyer thirteen touchdowns, four interceptions, 79 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: completing sixty three percent of his passes. So what about 80 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: this and a few other nuggets in college football? We 81 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: call upon one of the truly great sports writers in 82 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 2: this country when it comes to all things college football. 83 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: He's a local boy that made good and now he 84 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: is the chief college football writer for Theathletic dot Com, 85 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: as I continue to say, it is the best sports 86 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: investment you can make the Athletic dot Com. It is 87 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: great journalism, no junk ads, no roll up videos. And 88 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 2: I say that as a consumer, I get not a 89 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: nickel from say that. And let's welcome him on and 90 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 2: Stuart Mandell, how are you in this glorious game day. 91 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 4: I'm good, I'm well. 92 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: I am looking forward to Nip at Night. We haven't 93 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: had a nip at Night here in two years, and 94 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: of course tonight it's BYU that's in town. It has 95 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 2: not gone so well for U see the last couple 96 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: of weeks. But they've got a good b YU team 97 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: that's in here thanks to a quarterback in Bear Bachmeier 98 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: who seems to be taking at least his part of 99 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: the country by storm. A little bit about b YU. 100 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: You've seen b YU. I'm sure what stands out to 101 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 2: you except their quarterback or maybe in addition to their quarterback. 102 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 4: Well, he's a big part of it for sure. He 103 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 4: you know, came in as a true freshman and it 104 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 4: wasn't even there in the spring, but it's Stamford in 105 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 4: the spring and ends up winning the job, and he's 106 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 4: played very well save for the one game against that 107 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 4: Tech Texas Tech has made a lot of quarterback book. God, 108 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 4: they have an amazing defense, right, so and then they 109 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 4: can put by us, not just him. They can run 110 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 4: the ball to and you can usually count on Cloney's 111 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 4: pocket to have a pretty good defense. 112 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 113 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 5: L J. 114 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: Martin is there is their chief running back. Six touchdowns. 115 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: But what I like about Blackmeier is that he distributes well. 116 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: I was watching, Uh it might have been the Tech game, 117 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: but Chase Roberts terrific player, Parker Kingston terrific player. This 118 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: is a diverse offense. It's gonna be very difficult I 119 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: think for for University of Cincinnati to defend this offense. 120 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: If they get on a roll tonight. What are they 121 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: doing defensively, b YU anything out standing? 122 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 4: I wouldn't say outstanding. I think they've been good, not 123 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 4: so you know, dominant. They've had some really really good 124 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 4: defenses there recently in the last few years. But to 125 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 4: their credit, right, I mean, they only lost the one game. 126 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 4: I think they've looked at defense or as the season 127 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 4: got on. You know, I think it's good for UC 128 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 4: that it's there that they're not traveling to Provo for 129 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 4: a night game. You know, that would have been a 130 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:57,679 Speaker 4: tough tast. 131 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolute. Brendan Sorosby's come back down to Earth 132 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks, and what he's seeing a 133 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: lot of is man coverage, and so far he has 134 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: not handled it very well. You're you're just your impressions 135 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: of Sorsby. I think he's a good quarterback. I think 136 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: he has a chance to be a great quarterback if 137 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: indeed he decides to come back here again next year. 138 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is this man coverage 139 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: thing has been a problem for him the last couple 140 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: of weeks. I'm just wondering in college football as a whole, 141 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: is man coverage that difficult for an elite quarterback in 142 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: college football to handle? How does that work? 143 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 6: Well? 144 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 4: I think it more depends on the receivers, right. I mean, 145 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 4: you a man coverage, you're betting that you can that 146 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 4: your guys are not going to get beat one on one, Right. 147 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 4: I would not recommend doing that, for instance against Ohio State, 148 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 4: but these defenses seem to think they can handle you 149 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 4: these receivers. The Utah game, you know, was one thing, 150 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 4: right that was he played very poorly that game. But 151 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 4: Utah Utah is very good. I mean you Stah had 152 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 4: the misfortune to lose two games to the two most 153 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 4: important teams they've played. Otherwise I think they'd be in 154 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 4: the stick of the playoff raase right now. The Arizona 155 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 4: one surprised me. Arizona's obviously had a better year this 156 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 4: year than they did last year, but I don't think 157 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 4: they are known as a great defensive team necessarily, so 158 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 4: that performance was a little puzzling. And you know what 159 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 4: else is puzzling? Can is why for the second straight 160 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 4: year or you see having a backslide over the backstretch 161 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 4: of the season right now? It's obviously they're far enough long. 162 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 4: It's not like last year where they have mist a 163 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 4: bowl game, right they got off to a much better 164 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 4: start than that. But can they uh reverse this slid 165 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 4: and to get a big win here against the team 166 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 4: that in b i U is as of this moment, 167 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 4: right on the cuff of a playoff berth. 168 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great comparison from this from last year. 169 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: This year. Yeah, they fell off off the cliff last year, 170 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: but I'm looking here at the big twelve. I mean 171 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: I guess there's a chance that the University of Cincinnati 172 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 2: could win this conference. But I'm looking at Tech at 173 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: seven and one, they got to buy this week they 174 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: play West Virginia in their final game, that you would 175 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: think that would be a win eight and one would 176 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: you would think at the very least allow them to 177 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: tie for the conference championship. But there's a lot of teams. 178 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: Two lost teams in this conference right now, Bearcats five 179 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: and two inside the conference, Arizona five and two, Houston 180 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: five and two, Utah five and two, And if BYU 181 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 2: doesn't win here tonight at Nippert, they fall to five 182 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: to six and two. So I'm just I'm just wondering, 183 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: even though it's an outside chance for any of those teams, 184 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: do you anticipate Texas Tech fumbling at this point this season? 185 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 4: First of all, I'm not good enough at math to 186 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 4: know how those tie breakers would resolve. Like Cincinnati has 187 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 4: a chance to throw the Big twelve into total ko 188 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 4: outside of Tech. 189 00:09:59,000 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: With a win tonight. 190 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 4: Have Yeah, with a win, they're going to send the 191 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 4: Big twelve into a five way tie and depending what 192 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 4: the other teams do, obviously, but a five way high 193 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 4: per second and then they don't play each other the 194 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 4: next week. So you know, I do know that there 195 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 4: is a there's a great site that does all these 196 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 4: tiebreaker scenarios, and pretty much any of those multi team 197 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 4: tiebreakers favorite Utah. So because the youth played the toughest 198 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 4: conference schedule. So that could be in a really interesting 199 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 4: situation that BUYU loses, they beat Utah, but get beat 200 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 4: out by Utah for the Big Twelve title game. Texa 201 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 4: Tech is rolling. I think. You know, at this point 202 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 4: it's clear they are the most talented team in the 203 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 4: Big Twelve, but that doesn't mean they couldn't lose, for instance, 204 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 4: to Utah in a rematch in the Big Twelve title game. 205 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 4: The thing about that is Texas Tech. I think at 206 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 4: this point, once they lose twice, if tex Attack is 207 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 4: eleven and two, they're going to go to the playoffs. 208 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 4: And so it's going to take somebody knocking them off 209 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 4: probably to get a second Big Twelve team in. 210 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, and you look what Utah has left. 211 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 2: I mean, they got Kansas State, uh later on the 212 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: same afternoon, and they play at Kansas next week. You 213 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: would think those are two wins for Utah, But yeah, 214 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: I mean if Texas Tech, I mean, if they go 215 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: to eight and one, I mean, obviously it's it's over. 216 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: I love the Big twelve in this sense, and I 217 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: know you will view all of this stuff globally, but 218 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: I love it in this sense. Is you see the 219 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 2: ball up on any game in any week, and for 220 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: the most part, you don't know how this conference is 221 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: going to play out. It's got to be the most balanced, 222 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: not only statistically but in terms of talent on the 223 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 2: in the in the power for conferences. It's not it's 224 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: not certainly the best conference, but I think it's the 225 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: most competitive conference. Would you disagree with that statement, Yeah. 226 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 4: I think it's the for the most part, the flattest conference. 227 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 4: You know, look at at Arizona State last year, you know, 228 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 4: rising up and winning it, and they've fallen a little 229 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 4: bit this year, but not too much. But you know, 230 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 4: I think if you were if an NFL scout with 231 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 4: the size of BYU's roster and let's say Iowa State's roster, 232 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 4: I don't think they've too much difference there. But Iowa 233 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 4: State haven't caught some breaks this year, including injury. 234 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 6: Now Texas Seconds. 235 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 4: Kind of come in and disrupted that formula, Like, they 236 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 4: went out and spent the money and built themselves a 237 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 4: roster that I think could compete for the top in 238 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 4: any conference, not just the Big twelve. So they're not 239 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 4: kind of stuck in that they're not in that log game, 240 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 4: I guess, I would say, But you know, nobody knows 241 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 4: if that's going to continue, Like are they going to 242 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 4: be able to spend twenty five million dollars a year 243 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 4: after year after year in this new system? But most, 244 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 4: for the most part, these programs are very evenly matched. 245 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And what's interesting is you mentioned BYU 246 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 2: on the cusp of a playoff spot. You've got three 247 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: Big twelve teams right now in the latest rankings among 248 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: the top twelve. Now, well three obviously aren't going to 249 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: get in, but I mean, could you could see a 250 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: scenario where two Big twelve teams would make the playoffs? 251 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 5: Right? 252 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 4: I think that to me has a lot of respect 253 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 4: for those top three teams and the Big twelve, And 254 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 4: you're seeing that they just don't have as much respect 255 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 4: for them as they do the SEC. And so you see, 256 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 4: you know, like in Oklahoma when at Alabama and moves 257 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 4: jumps up over them. I would love. I would be 258 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 4: so to see what would happen if Frankly wouldn't take 259 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 4: as many dominoes for this to happen, Vanderbilt and Utah 260 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 4: competing for the last that large spot because people would 261 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 4: automatically some people would automatically default to the SEC team. 262 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 4: But they both have two losses now Vanderbilt two spots 263 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 4: behind them. Is Vanderbilt beating Tennessee at the end of 264 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 4: the season going to make me that much of your 265 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 4: difference that they would leave problem? In other words, if 266 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 4: that were to happen, that tells me they're never going 267 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 4: to the big tall team to benefit the doubt over 268 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 4: the SEC. Because right now it's like does you saw 269 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 4: have us? Can you taw keep moving up or do 270 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 4: you or they have Utah right at the ceiling that 271 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 4: they're not going to be able to move past. 272 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 2: You know, we're going to see stoops in Kentucky can 273 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: throw a wrench into that later on this afternoon, right yeah, no, UK, 274 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 2: it looks like we're going to get Ohio State Indiana 275 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: in the Big Ten championship game. What would you expect 276 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: in a game like that? And I mean you got 277 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: I mean there are one two right now in the 278 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: in the playoff rankings, But what would you expect if 279 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: those two played in the Big Ten championship game. 280 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, it would be fascinating, It really would because I 281 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 4: think most people would say, well, I think Ohio State 282 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 4: is the better team all christ Indiana, but you know, 283 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 4: Ohigo State. I have watched them, they're at another level, 284 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 4: and that may be true, but I have State's schedule 285 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 4: has broken in a way that we really haven't seen 286 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 4: them play. Honestly since the Texas game. Anybody that's near them, 287 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 4: they didn't play. They haven't played AYU yet. They didn't 288 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 4: play Oregon. They're bout They're going to finally play Michigan here, 289 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 4: they don't play usc They've just spent their whole season 290 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 4: playing kind of the dregs of the Big Ten. So 291 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 4: I'll be fascinated when they finally go up against the 292 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 4: team on level. I'd be fascinated to see Fernando Mendos 293 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 4: that go against you know, stay defense is unbelievable, right, 294 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 4: go against them. Can Indiana handle those will have a 295 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 4: state receivers? I don't think so, But I don't know that. 296 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 4: I don't know that any pretty much any team in 297 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 4: the country. 298 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: Stuart Mandeltheathletic dot Com our guest, I'm hopscotching here. Is 299 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: Brian Kelly ever going to have another college head coaching job? 300 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: And if so, at what level would anybody be interested 301 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: in him? 302 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 6: So? 303 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit different situation than James Franklin, 304 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 4: who obviously he's got another job already. James Franklin wanted 305 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 4: a very high level offense that he just couldn't quite 306 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 4: get him over the top, right, And I feel like 307 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 4: that Brian kelly lsu tenure was not was not that 308 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 4: way they frankly underachieved. On top of that, he's a 309 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 4: very polarizing guy. Uh, he reves a lot of people. 310 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: The wrong way. 311 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 4: If he if he coaches again, I would think it 312 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 4: would be down the level or two. And he's he's 313 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 4: been in that level before, Right, It's just how much 314 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 4: does he want to keep coaching? Would he be willing 315 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 4: after being in the SEC to go coach a team 316 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 4: in the American right or the MAC whatever. 317 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 7: It may be? 318 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 4: And I don't know his at his point he might 319 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 4: just stay him done. But if you want to lashue money, 320 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 4: he's got to at least look for a comparable job. 321 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I I The only the reason why I 322 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: ask is you talk about a polarizing figure. He's not 323 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: polarizing in this town by any stretch of the imagination. 324 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: He left on the wrong side of the equation. But 325 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: he does. He does really kind of represent I think, 326 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: kind of like a hired gun, if you know what 327 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: I mean. You know, you could you could, you could 328 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: hire him at, for example, a MAC school or Conference 329 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: USA school, and all of a sudden, your program is 330 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: elevated to a point where maybe you can dream about 331 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: getting into one of those slots if the playoff is expanded. 332 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 2: But I just I just think it's going to be 333 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: very tough for any school to look at him and say, 334 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: you know, this is our guy, knowing full well that 335 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 2: if he has any success at that level, he's probably 336 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 2: out the door for the next big job that comes 337 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: down the pike. 338 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 4: But I kind of expect to see him on ESPN 339 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 4: next year. Oh really, you know, I'm just guessing how 340 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 4: the inside information. But you know, he's he's very charismatic. 341 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 4: I think he'd be very good. 342 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 6: On TV, you know. 343 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 4: And he's at a point, and he's sixty four, he's 344 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 4: at a point where like maybe he has one more 345 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 4: coaching job in him, so we'll see. I haven't heard 346 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 4: any inkling that he's in the mix for any of 347 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 4: the more prominent jobs in the cycle. 348 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: But as you say, if he wants at LSU money, 349 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 2: he better start looking right. 350 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, those mitigating First of all, he's trying to come 351 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 4: up with some reason the fire and for cause and 352 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 4: that fame at all. Brian Kelly filed that lawsuit. Oh 353 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 4: by the way, having a lawsuit against one of the 354 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 4: schools is also not something that school, you know, another 355 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 4: school would love to hang you over it. But yeah, 356 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 4: he does if he wants to get that money and 357 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 4: follow the the you know, the contract it does. It 358 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 4: has a mitigating clause where he has to at least 359 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 4: seek a comparable child like James Franklin did. 360 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's a piece of work. Stewart, thanks again 361 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: for your time, man, We appreciate it. Stuartmandeldyathletic dot Com 362 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: great great coverage of college football, and he is obviously 363 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: at the epicenter of it. All right, have a great Thanksgiving, 364 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 2: Stewart will visit down the road. 365 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 4: Thanks all right, Yeah, I have a great Thanksgiving again. 366 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely, So you got Ohio State on the field right 367 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 2: now with Rutgers. It is up at the shoe with 368 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 2: seven fifty to go first quarter, it is scoreless, and 369 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 2: Ohio State is playing without their two top wide receivers, 370 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: Tate and Smith. Later on this afternoon, you've got Kentucky 371 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: at Vanderbilt. That is a three point thirty kickoff. We 372 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: talked about college football playoff implications in that game for Vanderbilt, 373 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 2: and then of course you have BYU and you tonight 374 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 2: at nip Indiana is off this weekend. They are at 375 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 2: Purdue this coming Friday night. So there's local college football 376 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 2: and of course all counting down to the college football Playoff. 377 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: What twelve teams make. It seems to me that Indiana 378 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 2: and Ohio State, barring they're really wild unforeseen, will both 379 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: be in. But who knows. As a wise man once said, 380 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 2: that is why they play the games. We are just 381 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 2: getting started on this Saturday. It's great to have you 382 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 2: with us as we press on TILL three News Radio 383 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW. You know, is there is there ever 384 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 2: a bad time for scorpion? Klauss Mighty, Klaus mighty. It's 385 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 2: plaut forty here on the East coast, and in particular 386 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: the great city of Cincinnati. Welcome Black. I am ken 387 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 2: Brew for what it's worth. In a big noon kickoff today, 388 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 2: you know as that pregame show, they came to the 389 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: friendly confines of Knippers Stadium today presented by Fox Television. 390 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 2: Urban Meyer thinks you see is going to beat BYU tonite. 391 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: So there you go. It's kind of a fun show. 392 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: It's always a fun show. It's really really well put together. 393 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 2: And so they were there this morning, and then of 394 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: course the game is tonight at eight o'clock and you 395 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: see rolls into this thing needing a win for a 396 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: number of reasons. One we just talked to Stuart Mandel 397 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: about it. They they had that fall off last year, right, 398 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: and so now they've lost a couple of games, and 399 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: they need to they need to get this thing back 400 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: on the rails. For nothing else than to stay in 401 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: the conversation. It's totally out of their control and it 402 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 2: most probably is not going to happen, but at least 403 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: stay in the conversation that if something happened is to 404 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: Texas Tech the unthinkable losing it West Virginia I think 405 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: would be kind of on thinkable at this point. But Nevertheless, 406 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: if Texas Tech were to stumble that, they've got a 407 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 2: chance to be in the conversation if Domino's fall the 408 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 2: right way. But if nothing else, it stops the narrative 409 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 2: from last year that things fell off the cliff on 410 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 2: Scott Caderfield's team. Now, there's been a problem the last 411 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 2: several games, and that is opposing teams have been throwing 412 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 2: man de man coverage up against the University of Cincinnati's offense, 413 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 2: and Brendan Soorsby has not been handling it well, and 414 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: neither have the wide receivers at the University of Cincinnati. 415 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 2: Here is Scott Saderfield talking about Sworsby and that problem 416 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 2: this week. 417 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 3: You know, we had four drops, potentially five drops in 418 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 3: that game. If our guys catch the football, then his 419 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 3: stats are going to look a lot different, you know, 420 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 3: And I think, you know, I think that's part. It's 421 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 3: not just Brndan. I thought I thought he had a 422 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 3: really bad decision on the first play of the game, 423 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 3: like that was awful, But really after that he really 424 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 3: played pretty good. I mean, he threw the ball good. 425 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, that ball which has been forty 426 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 3: five to fifty yards added to his stats. I mean, 427 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 3: you got to catch that ball yet, And I think 428 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 3: got to catch you know, and our receivers will be 429 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 3: the first to tell you, yeah, I got to catch that, 430 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 3: you know. And I think so it it's not just 431 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 3: on one player. 432 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's the whole team. 433 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 3: You got to protect good, you got to run the 434 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 3: good routes, you got to make the catches and you know. 435 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: So, yeah, absolutely can bounce back. Yeah, Sowresby knows the 436 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 2: rap too. He talked about it after the loss last week, 437 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 2: and yeah, he knows he's going They're going to see. 438 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 5: Now. 439 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 2: Not every team can play great Manda man coverage. And 440 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 2: I'd be lying to you if I said, yeah, I've 441 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 2: watched BYU all year and they played great man dea 442 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 2: man coverage. I have not. I've seen some of their 443 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: games and they have played man, they have played zone. 444 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: And my guess is that they've seen the tape of 445 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 2: Sorsby and see how he struggles with it and the 446 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: receivers in dropping passes. Here's the u SE quarterback earlier 447 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: this week on just this issue. You know, we kind of. 448 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 8: Expected it, we expect you know, from the Utah game 449 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 8: on kind of what we were going to get and 450 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 8: you know, going back to there's a couple of decisions 451 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 8: I want back, but overall, I thought, you know, decision 452 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 8: making for the most part was pretty good. Some unfortunate, 453 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 8: you know, mishaps and a couple of misthrows, but you know, 454 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 8: at the end of the day, it's you just got 455 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,479 Speaker 8: to go out there and cut loose and whatever happens happens. 456 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 8: And you know, we got to type that with that 457 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 8: mindset this week and you know, leave it all out 458 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 8: there and I think we'll. 459 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: Like what what the results is at the end of 460 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: the day. So you got five and two U see 461 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: at home for this eight o'clock kick BYU comes in 462 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: here at six and one. Those are conference records, not 463 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 2: overall records. And the over arching thing though, is it's 464 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: nip at night and we haven't had that in a 465 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 2: couple of years, and it's something that red shirt defensive 466 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 2: lineman Micah Coleman is really looking forward to. He's been 467 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 2: told about it, but he hasn't experienced it, so this 468 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: would be a cool thing for him tonight. 469 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 9: Well, since I've got here, since I've came to campus, 470 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 9: nip at night has been something that everybody talks about 471 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 9: like the atmosphere. They say, it's a really the atmosphere. 472 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 9: So I just can't wait to see how the crowd looks, 473 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 9: how the fans go. You know, it's senior night, so 474 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 9: it's gonna be emotional, it's gonna be loud, crazy, and 475 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 9: I just really just want to send a seniors out 476 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 9: on the right note. 477 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 2: So all the play by play begins at eight, the 478 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 2: pregame show at seven with mo Egger, and then as 479 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 2: I said, all the play by play at eight with 480 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 2: Tony Pike and the now never resting Dan Horde did 481 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 2: a basketball game last night. You see game tonight, Tomorrow's 482 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 2: got the Bengals, and Monday night he's got another U 483 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 2: see basketball game. Somebody should ask Dan, and if I 484 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: have the opportunity, I will. But you know what, here's 485 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: a question Tony Pike should ask Dan tonight in the booth. 486 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: How do you keep your voice in shape? Because there 487 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 2: are things you can use, sprays, you can drink hot 488 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 2: tea and honey. There's a lot of crud that's in 489 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 2: the air right now. It's only going to get worse. 490 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 2: He could do a whole thing, They could do a 491 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 2: whole segment on Throat Health with Dan Horde, Dan Antony, 492 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 2: and Mo tonight beginning at seven o'clock here on seven 493 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: hundred a W WELW now three point thirty. It is 494 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: Vanderbilt and UK in Nashville. Vandy is eight and two, 495 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 2: still very much in the conversation for a spot in 496 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: the college football playoff. Oh yeah they are. UK is 497 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: at five and five. It needs a win to get 498 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: Bold eligible. It plays this game today five and five, 499 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 2: and then finishes the regular season next week at Louisville. 500 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 2: It's not been a great year obviously for Kentucky football. 501 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: It wasn't even a great win last week against Tennessee Tech. 502 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 2: So this week Mark Stoops, who you know, has been 503 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: kind of dour in his news conferences, to be honest 504 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 2: with he was kind of kind of more jovial this week, 505 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 2: but he also addressed the ongoing situation where his defense 506 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: needs to be better. His team needs to be better, 507 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: but his defense needs to be better. Here's Stoops this week. 508 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 10: You know, there's just there's we could we could finish better. 509 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 10: You know, there's there's things, there's you know, plays out 510 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 10: there where we just didn't finish the place. If we 511 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 10: finished the place we finished the series and give up 512 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 10: less points than we did. So there's a lot of 513 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 10: things we could do better across the board and execution. 514 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 10: You know, I appreciate our team's effort, you know the past. 515 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 10: You know they been playing well, but there's things we 516 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 10: could have done better. Yeah, Indiana is off, by the way, 517 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 10: this weekend. They play this Friday night at Purdue in 518 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 10: a game that always draws a lot of attention. Right now, 519 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 10: up in Columbus it is seven nothing Ohio State over Rutgers. 520 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 10: Rutgers has the ball at midfield and they're fixing, as 521 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 10: they say back in the old neighborhood, they're fixing to 522 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 10: go to quarter number two in Columbus, seven nothing Ohio 523 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 10: State after one. Now I don't want I'll get into 524 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 10: the Bengals later on. There is there is a game 525 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 10: tomorrow night at TQL Stadium that if you're a soccer fan, 526 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 10: you don't need to be told this. If you're an 527 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 10: FC Cincinnati fan, you don't need to be told this. 528 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,479 Speaker 10: But even if you know this, it's good to hear 529 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 10: it again. This is a huge and I mean huge 530 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 10: football well it is football in some parts of a 531 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 10: soccer game. This is win or go on, loser go home. 532 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 2: As the MLS playoffs continue, and it is FC Cincinnati 533 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: against Inner Miami at TQL and you know who plays 534 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: for Miami. Of course it's Messi. So there has been 535 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 2: success with games against Miami. When FC Cincinnati takes them on, 536 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 2: I believe they have a win and a tie over 537 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 2: Miami this year, and so there's at least an air 538 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 2: of confidence going into a game tomorrow that means more 539 00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: than any game they've played against Miami ever, and understanding 540 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: that the opposition is led by Messi, so there's an 541 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 2: air of confidence. One of the best, if not the 542 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 2: best player on FCC side as a vander and he 543 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: was talking about that confidence that they have going into 544 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 2: this match tomorrow. 545 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 11: He gave us a little bit of confidence because you 546 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 11: know how to play, played against them two games and 547 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 11: he were good games that we did. But it's it's 548 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 11: a playoff, so it can be a total different game. 549 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 11: So you've got to be ready for that. Even though 550 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 11: you have like a lot of experience guys that can 551 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 11: handle the game this game pretty well, we need to 552 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 11: be aware of that everything can happen during the game. 553 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: This is a kick tomorrow night at TQL and as 554 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: I said, they've had they've had success against Miami, success 555 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 2: against Messi. They had a believe that had a six 556 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: nil decision over Miami last season, but Messi wasn't in 557 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: the lineup. He was out for some reason, suspension or whatever, 558 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 2: health I I don't know what it was. But Pat 559 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: noon in this week, the FC Cincinnati coach was talking 560 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 2: about how much those past games mean and what they 561 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: could do in terms of strategy tomorrow night, and from 562 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: listening to the coach, the answer to that is not much. 563 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 5: You know, we didn't spend too much of our preparation 564 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 5: looking at those games, just based on. 565 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:21,959 Speaker 2: What it looks like now. 566 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 5: And I think they're in really good form defensively, have 567 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 5: continued to get better. Offensively have gotten better. 568 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 2: And that's why. 569 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 5: We have this matchup is because they've they've been really 570 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 5: strong now. 571 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 2: They both finished with sixty five points in the season. 572 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 2: FC Cincinnati had one more win then Inter Miami. Inter 573 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: Miami had three more ties than FC Cincinnati, and Inner 574 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: Miami outscored FC Cincinnati. Inter Miami had eighty one regular 575 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 2: season goals. FC Cincinnati fifty two. In Miami gave up 576 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: quite a few more than CINCINNATIFC Cincinnati in the regular season. Nevertheless, 577 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: that's the matchup tomorrow night. And Miles Robinson is back 578 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 2: from his team, his stint with the national team and 579 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 2: feeling pretty sassy, feeling pretty good about where his team 580 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 2: is right now. A lot of confidence overall, probably just 581 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 2: our intensity. We've got a good group of guys that are. 582 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 9: Played very intense and play together as one as a unit, 583 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 9: and I think when we do that, we're at our best. 584 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 2: So that's a five o'clock kick tomorrow at TQL Stadium, 585 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 2: five o'clock kick with in Miami. Winner moves on. These 586 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: are the conference semis, so you'll go to the conference 587 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 2: finals if you win. If you lose, of course you 588 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 2: go home. So there's what's on the docket at this hour. 589 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 2: It is twelve to fifty one on this Saturday afternoon, 590 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 2: so much to get to. We want to get to 591 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 2: a few other topics besides what's going on in the 592 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 2: world of sports, and we shall do. So you're listening 593 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: to Saturday Afternoons and it's you and me and what 594 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 2: else should it be? On seven hundred WLW seven hundred WLW. 595 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: It is a little after one o'clock. Well, not a little. 596 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: Let's want to wait on this Saturday. Great to have 597 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: you with us. A lot on the horizon. I believe 598 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: we have Sterling at three o'clock. In my gosh, you 599 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: would not look forward to that. And then we have 600 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: you see football at seven o'clock tonight, Nip at night, 601 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: you see against BYU. Stay tuned for all of that. 602 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: It has been I think a bad week for the Democrats. 603 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 2: There's no way to really craft it any other way. 604 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 2: They thought they had Trump dead to rights on these 605 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: Epstein files because they thought he wouldn't release him, and 606 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 2: he didn't. I think I don't know why Trump played 607 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 2: what he the way he played the files. But nevertheless, 608 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 2: there's nothing in there that's a smoking gun. If the 609 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 2: Democrats knew that there was something in there about Trump, 610 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 2: and it might have also included things about Bill Clinton 611 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: or Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, they wouldn't have given 612 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: a rats rear end about Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama or 613 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 2: Bill Clinton. They would have gone after Trump because there's 614 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: nothing that unites Democrats in this world more than their 615 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: unabashed and unabated hatred of Donald Trump. They would have 616 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: sacrificed plenty of their own if they thought they thought 617 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: there was anything in those files. There's not. But for 618 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 2: some reason, he sat on those files, and now that 619 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 2: they have been released, most of the stuff that's coming 620 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 2: out is either embarrassing or possibly incriminating for Democrats, and 621 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 2: we've only begun to see the tip of it. I'm 622 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 2: sure they're Republicans named in there as well, and some 623 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 2: high priced players, so we'll see where that leads. The 624 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: second thing is there were a group of Democrats this 625 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 2: week that put together a video led by Senator Moonbeam 626 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 2: out of Arizona, suggesting that the people that work in 627 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 2: intelligence in this country and our armed forces openly defy 628 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 2: orders from the commander in chief. That would be pret 629 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. That would be nothing short of treason if 630 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 2: those people did that, sedition. But yet they put this 631 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: video out and then they tried to backtrack. Well, you 632 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 2: know what, we didn't we we know we didn't mean that, 633 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 2: you know, we man in case there's something unlawful, Well, 634 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 2: what did he say or order that was unlawful? 635 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 4: Well? 636 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 2: Nothing, nothing, but we're just saying that. And then when 637 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: Trump threatened them with legal action that could lead to 638 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 2: their execution, which is a possibility if you are convicted 639 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 2: of treason or sedition. Just check out history. That's when, Oh, 640 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 2: my gosh, how could he say he's going to kill 641 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 2: people in the Senate. But he had to do that 642 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 2: to get the media's attention because the media is corrupt. 643 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 2: The people that deliver you the news don't want to 644 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 2: deliver you any news that might be in any way, 645 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 2: shape or form poor reflections on Democrats. That's the way 646 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 2: it is. I worked in that industry. I know what 647 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 2: it's populated with. And then, of course you had to 648 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 2: have a week where judge his way in. Judges like 649 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 2: Judge Ga Cobb, whose roots are not far from where 650 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 2: we're sitting right now. She declared that it's unlawful for 651 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 2: that National Guard to remain in Washington, d C. It's 652 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 2: unlawful despite the fact that Washington, d C. Is at 653 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 2: least a liveable city. Again. As a matter of fact, 654 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 2: since Trump took office in January, more than one hundred 655 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 2: federal court judges have ruled against the Trump administration. And 656 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 2: my gosh, imagine that most were Democrats judges running around 657 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 2: thinking they rule the world in their black robes with 658 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 2: their gabbles in hand and It prompted a good guest 659 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 2: of this program, Kennan Spivak from Real Clear Politics, to 660 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 2: write a story that hit home with me this week. 661 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 2: The Imperial judiciary strikes back. When will this end? When 662 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 2: will we finally get judges to stay in their lanes? 663 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 2: Kenny and Spivak standing by to join us right now. Kennan, 664 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 2: how are you on this glorious day? 665 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 6: I am just wonderful. God, this is a good day. 666 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 2: You sound good. You sound good. Now, let me ask 667 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 2: you a question. Have you ever seen in your time 668 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 2: observing politics the amount of judicial overreach that occurs in 669 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 2: these lower courts when it comes to all things Trump. 670 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 2: I go all the way back to the Kennedy. I've 671 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 2: never seen anything like this. Have you ever seen. 672 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: Anything like this? 673 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 6: I have not, and I'm going to admit something terrible 674 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 6: for the audience. I graduated from law school more than 675 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 6: forty years ago. I have been looking at this for 676 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 6: a very long time. I have tridecases, I've argued appeals. Listen, 677 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 6: I'm a business person, but never have I seen anything 678 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 6: like this. The judges, let me take a step back. 679 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 6: They've been activist judges ever since the Earl Warren Court 680 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 6: in the nineteen fifties. These judges like Justice Douglas, who 681 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 6: famously found penumbers emanating from the Constitution, and in these 682 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 6: penumbers he found rights that had never been enumerated. And 683 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 6: I love Justice Douglas is on LSD, which was the 684 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 6: drug of choice in his era. But that was bizarre. 685 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 6: What we're seeing now is different. We're seeing judges go 686 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 6: on and on about their feelings. This judge, Susan Illiston, 687 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 6: who enjoyed the layoffs during the shutdown, said that the 688 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 6: federal workforce has been under great stress ever since Donald 689 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 6: Trump was elected, and these layoffs are just traumatizing to them, 690 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 6: and therefore they can't seed. It's snowflakes and safe spaces. 691 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 6: And I just don't feel good. It's just not nice. 692 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 6: And that's not what federal judges are supposed to be doing. 693 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 2: Well, it's not And as you point out in your 694 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 2: story on Real Clear Politics, it's political did in analysis 695 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 2: and eighty seven of the one hundred and fourteen federal 696 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 2: judges who have ruled against the administration were appointed by 697 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 2: Democrat presidents. And it's this activism on these benches that 698 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,479 Speaker 2: seem to be unchecked unless you get to a court 699 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 2: above them. It's just it's running a mark, and the 700 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 2: average person walking around the street here in Cincinnati canon 701 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 2: feels that they're paralyzed. They can't do anything about these judges. 702 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 2: They can't be removed. There's no vote that's going to 703 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 2: be held, and it's like it's like the Imperial God 704 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 2: handing down a judgment and then the old boys club 705 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 2: above them just no, maybe so, maybe no. But when 706 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 2: it's initially handed down, people are standing there saying, wait 707 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 2: a minute, that's not the way this thing should operate. 708 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 2: So if we know that, why do these judges know that? 709 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,399 Speaker 2: Can they not check their ideology at the door? 710 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 6: Well, most judges do, and most judges do know that. 711 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 6: But that's why, so let's look away. 712 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,280 Speaker 4: The system works. 713 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 6: A plaintiff, an anti Trump administration, anti coop administration policy 714 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 6: plaintiff brings a lawsuit. Almost always, that lawsuit has proper 715 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 6: jurisdiction in Washington, DC, because the agency is based in Washington, DC. 716 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 6: Often is also proper jurisdiction in one of the other 717 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 6: districts around the country, because the worker is there, the 718 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 6: union is there, the nonprofit that didn't get its funding 719 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 6: is there. Any number of reasons at the beginning of 720 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,280 Speaker 6: this process, Normally, these lawsuits would have been filed in DC, 721 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 6: San Francisco, and Boston, which were districts that were almost 722 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 6: completely Biden Obama Clinton progressive appointees, because the cases were 723 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 6: assigned by luck of the draw, and you were much 724 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 6: more likely to get a progressive judge. As time goes on, 725 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,919 Speaker 6: the system changes a little. Cases are assigned to it's 726 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 6: called related cases, and a lot of the cases they're 727 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 6: being filed now it's something to do with the case 728 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 6: that's already been filed. So if it turns out that 729 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 6: a case, let's just say, even in Boston went to 730 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 6: a judge that's a conservative, you just don't file in Boston. 731 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 6: You go file someplace where it went to the progressive. 732 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 6: We've reached the point by now because for ten months 733 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 6: into the administration where these plantifs know exactly where a 734 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 6: file because they know where the related case went to 735 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 6: the judge that's their favorite. There's a reason we keep 736 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 6: hearing the same five or ten judges over and over 737 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 6: again coming up for a whole range of cases. It's 738 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 6: a combination of the luck of the draw and they 739 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 6: just that the plaintiff chooses and this related case activity. 740 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 6: So that's a long way of saying hundreds of hundreds 741 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 6: and hundreds of federal court judges do the right thing. 742 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 6: It only takes thirty or forty of them to be 743 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 6: completely amok, like James Bosberg, who's publicly said that he 744 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 6: thinks the Trump administrations run amock can act unconstitutionally and 745 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 6: has to be contained, or most of the judges in 746 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 6: the Washington d C. In the District of Columbia Circuit. 747 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 6: It doesn't take that many judges to have a judicial 748 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 6: insurrection against the elected president. 749 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 2: Sure, we've heard the name Judge Colleen Kohler Coatelli when 750 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 2: the old proof of citizenship thing popped up. She's reared 751 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,439 Speaker 2: her head several times. We just got a judge Ga Cobb, 752 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 2: who ironically is from just up the road here in Springfield, Ohio, 753 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,839 Speaker 2: who ruled that the National Guard's presence in Washington DC 754 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 2: is quote unquote unlawful. Yeah, we're seeing the same judges 755 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 2: because there's judge shopping that's going on. I am of 756 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 2: the opinion, and this is I'm not a lawyer. You're 757 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 2: a lawyer. So I'm just someone that is just just 758 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 2: looking at this that the Supreme Court has got to 759 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 2: slap some of these people down, and not by referring 760 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 2: to them as the court, but by referring to them 761 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 2: as in name, name the judge and say your ruling 762 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 2: was wrong. The Court is growing weary of having these 763 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 2: cases in front of us. I just think if John 764 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 2: Roberts would just stand up and just take charge of 765 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 2: that court and just say no first of all or 766 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 2: inundated second of all, these are the same kind of 767 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 2: acts that are coming in front of us. They're from 768 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 2: the same circuit. Why won't the Supreme Court, and in 769 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 2: particular John Roberts stand up and name names. 770 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 6: In deo sense, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas had effectively 771 00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 6: name names. I don't see John Roberts doing it. Why 772 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 6: won't you do it? It's not who he is, it's 773 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 6: not in his nature. I don't think he'll do it. 774 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 6: I don't think that you'll see that in a majority opinion. However, 775 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 6: even Elena Kagan, in a case where she disagreed with 776 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 6: the outcome, had the fortitude and the honesty to join 777 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 6: with the majority and slop down one of these judges 778 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 6: who ignored one of their previous rulings and had clearly 779 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 6: run amook. So there is an integrity and there is 780 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 6: an honesty even among some of the justices who don't 781 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 6: agree with the ruling, but who do agree that precedent controls. 782 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 6: Rulings run downhill, and federal judges have to have to 783 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 6: follow it. You know, there's a joke that was in 784 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 6: an opinion the other day, and I think this shows 785 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 6: the problem with the federal judiciary in Texas. Texas registrict 786 00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 6: hats starting this whole national redistricting tite. A three judge 787 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 6: panel last week found that this redistricting violated Section two 788 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 6: of the Voter's Rights Act because it was racially motivated. First, 789 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 6: that's probably not true, but let me not spend a 790 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 6: lot of time on that. And second, the strophe in 791 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 6: court is about probably to rule that Section two the 792 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 6: Voter Rights Act is itself unconstitutional. That's the case that 793 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 6: came up a few weeks ago. But if you were 794 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 6: both of those, the descent, which is one of the 795 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 6: stronger descents I've ever read, told a joke or two jokes. 796 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 6: I don't know why he decided to put jokes. Maybe 797 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 6: he's the heady young man of judges, But let me 798 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 6: just read it, because it really does make the point. 799 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 6: He said, there's an old joke. What's the difference between 800 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 6: God and a federal district judge? Answer? God doesn't think 801 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 6: he's a federal judge. Or he had said, here's another version. 802 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 6: An angel rushes to the head of the heavenly host 803 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 6: and said, with a problem, God has delusions of grandeur. 804 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 6: The head angel calmly replies, what makes you say that? 805 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 6: And the first angel answers, he's wearing his robe and 806 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,320 Speaker 6: keeps imagining he's a federal judge. 807 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 2: That's okay, right. 808 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 6: So that's what we're seeing. I call it the imperial judiciary. 809 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 6: Some call it a judicial insurrection. They're not wrong. We're 810 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 6: seeing thirty or forty or fifty judges because not every 811 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,280 Speaker 6: ruling against the Trump administration is a judge run amok. 812 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 6: They may be sustained or overruled, but not everything Donald 813 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 6: Trump does is so clearly permissible that the overwhelming majority 814 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 6: of these cases are nonsensical decisions where judges are substituting 815 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 6: their political judgment for that of the president. Courts don't 816 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:04,799 Speaker 6: even have jurism diction to rule on political judgments. They're 817 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 6: supposed to say to a plaintiff, I'm sorry, I have 818 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:12,399 Speaker 6: to dismiss your case. That's a political question. We're here 819 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 6: for judicial questions instead. These judges, whether they think they're 820 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 6: God and they think they're the president, they think that 821 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,400 Speaker 6: their opinion is more important or better than the president 822 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 6: because they have Trump derangement syndrome and they're smarter. 823 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,320 Speaker 2: You. Yeah, And I think if I'm one of the 824 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 2: Supremes right now, I don't care what side of the 825 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,319 Speaker 2: aisle or who nominated you, or what your political beliefs are, 826 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 2: whether it's Kagan or whether it's Thomas. These lower court 827 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,719 Speaker 2: judges challenging, openly challenging Supreme Court decisions. You point out 828 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 2: in this that now you've got judges like Boseburg and 829 00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 2: judges like Judge James Hoe and Judge Atlason Burrow, all 830 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,359 Speaker 2: in their own way challenging rulings that came down from 831 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 2: people they should answer to. There's almost an avenue for 832 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 2: disrespect that's been opened up for the Supreme Court. I'm 833 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,279 Speaker 2: not saying the Supreme Court is infallible or they don't 834 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,279 Speaker 2: make the right judgments all the time, of course not. 835 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 2: But I'm just saying at a certain point you have 836 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 2: to defer to someone who's got a little more cloud 837 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 2: than you do. And it seems like that avenue of 838 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 2: respect is starting to get a little bumpy. Do you 839 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 2: notice that as well? I do. 840 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,400 Speaker 6: And let me say this. We live in a country 841 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,880 Speaker 6: governed by the rule of law, and it's actually not 842 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:46,240 Speaker 6: important whether a lower court judge believes that the analysis 843 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,839 Speaker 6: in the Supreme Court's decision was flawed. It's not even 844 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 6: important if they correctly observe that there's a fact error 845 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 6: in a Supreme Court decision that may have influenced their 846 00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 6: ultimate decision. Our system only works when lower courts follow 847 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 6: the precedence within their circuit and ultimately the precedent set 848 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 6: by the Supreme Court. And that includes this so called 849 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 6: shadow docket or emergency docket. It's the main docket. It's 850 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 6: all the dockets. And when the Supreme Court says two 851 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 6: plus two is four, and a judge, because he's adding 852 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 6: one in three and comes to four, says, well, this 853 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 6: is a completely different situation. I don't have to follow 854 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 6: the Supreme Court. That undermines the rule of law. And 855 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,879 Speaker 6: every judge took an oath to follow the rule of law, 856 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,840 Speaker 6: and no one should have accepted a job as a 857 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,759 Speaker 6: federal court judge who didn't intend to follow the rule 858 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,799 Speaker 6: of law. You don't have to like it. You don't 859 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 6: have to like the decision. 860 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,279 Speaker 2: You just have to follow it, you know, kenn And 861 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,279 Speaker 2: that's why we like you, not because you're articulate, but 862 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 2: you make sense. You know a lot of people are articulate, 863 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,279 Speaker 2: but they don't make sense. You've married the two there. 864 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,360 Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone ever told you that, but 865 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you that right now. And I 866 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 2: think your story here on the Imperial Judiciary Strikes Back 867 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,360 Speaker 2: really struck a nerve with me, and anybody that's interested 868 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,279 Speaker 2: in having that same nerve struck can find it on 869 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,719 Speaker 2: RealClearPolitics dot com. It's always great having you on the show. 870 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,399 Speaker 2: Stay well, Happy Thanksgiving, and I'm sure we'll visit soon 871 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 2: before the next holiday. But for your time today, thank you. 872 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 5: You. 873 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 2: Bet I will I will Kenneth Spivack again. He can 874 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,880 Speaker 2: find them on RealClearPolitics dot com. Look, there's no great 875 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:43,320 Speaker 2: way to elect judges, and you go out, you have 876 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 2: to raise money. Right if you're a judge, you're running 877 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 2: for office, you got to raise money. Well, you're raising 878 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 2: money from people that may wind up in your court. 879 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 2: Think about that. Or you could appoint the judge. Well, 880 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 2: who's appointing the judge, Well, it turns out to be 881 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,880 Speaker 2: somebody from a political party. Well what does that make 882 00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:58,319 Speaker 2: the judge? 883 00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 11: Then? 884 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 2: Well that judge is a Democrat or publican. There's no 885 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 2: if there's a better way to elect judges than the 886 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 2: only two options we have right now, Please somebody explain 887 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,000 Speaker 2: it to me. I don't know how you fix this, 888 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,440 Speaker 2: and I think therein lies the frustration. It's one twenty 889 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,799 Speaker 2: six News Radio seven hundred WLW. 890 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 1: Now your host Ken Brew on News Radio seven hundred 891 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,319 Speaker 1: WLW two to ten. 892 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,040 Speaker 2: On this Saturday, will dive into the game tomorrow between 893 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,959 Speaker 2: New England and the Bengals. Coming up after the news 894 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 2: at two thirty to day. Up in Columbus, Ohio State 895 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:40,600 Speaker 2: fourteen Rutgers three, ten thirty three to go, third quarter. 896 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,280 Speaker 2: It is yeah, it's a close game. Top two receivers 897 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 2: for Ohio State are out and so its a quarterback. 898 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 2: The two receivers are out because of injuries and the 899 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,359 Speaker 2: quarterback is given way to the backup Klinhold. So we'll 900 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 2: see exactly how this plays out. But right now it's 901 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 2: a bit of a struggle up in the shoe for 902 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,320 Speaker 2: the number one team in the country. Stay tuned for 903 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 2: details on that. Did you notice how nobody gave a 904 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:16,360 Speaker 2: rats rerand about the Epstein files until Donald Trump was 905 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,080 Speaker 2: re elected in November of last year. These files have 906 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 2: been out there for most of the last fifteen years. 907 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:32,000 Speaker 2: Epstein was convicted in twenty eight. When George W. Bush 908 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 2: was in office, he didn't give a rats ass about him. 909 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,799 Speaker 2: Obama didn't. After Obama Trump came into office, and that's 910 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 2: when Epstein allegedly offed himself in prison. And there was 911 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,279 Speaker 2: always these murmuring about files, and it was part of 912 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 2: the campaign, right Trump. Donald Trump said I'm going to 913 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,640 Speaker 2: release the files the minute I get into office. Well, 914 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,080 Speaker 2: there was foot tracking after he got into office. But 915 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,799 Speaker 2: the only time Democrats seem to really care about them 916 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,319 Speaker 2: is after Trump was inaugurated. And that's where we heard 917 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,279 Speaker 2: Epstein files, Epstein files, Epstein files. Because they knew that 918 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 2: from an idea standpoint, it was a party that was 919 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 2: simply broke, it had none, so they tried to stop 920 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:19,520 Speaker 2: Trump with courts and with files from Epstein. Well, finally 921 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 2: the files were released this week and quite frankly, Donald 922 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,560 Speaker 2: Trump did not have to wait for congressional approval. He 923 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,360 Speaker 2: could have just released them on his own, but he 924 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,760 Speaker 2: did not. So why was that? You never know in Washington, 925 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,719 Speaker 2: d C. And someone that is trying to get to 926 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,560 Speaker 2: the bottom of it is my next guest. His name 927 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:43,400 Speaker 2: is Lieutenant Colonel retired Pete Chin petershin War the uniform 928 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,520 Speaker 2: of this country, awarded the Bronze Star, served time in 929 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,320 Speaker 2: Afghanistan and now is part of a group that is 930 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,120 Speaker 2: trying to get the real information of these files out 931 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,520 Speaker 2: for no other reason than to help the victims and 932 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,959 Speaker 2: let them have their day in court, so to speak. 933 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,480 Speaker 2: Epstein Justice dot Com is where you can find Peter Shen, 934 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,120 Speaker 2: but we have found him here now on seven hundred 935 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,879 Speaker 2: w welw to talk about all of this and Peter Shen, 936 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 2: how are you on this glorious Saturday. 937 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,960 Speaker 7: I'm fantastic, Ken, I'm glad to be with you again 938 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,440 Speaker 7: and it's a real pleasure to be here. 939 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,160 Speaker 2: Well, I'm interested in the story that you wrote. 940 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 5: It. 941 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,640 Speaker 2: It was written obviously before this interview that we're doing. 942 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,719 Speaker 2: It was written earlier this past week about why it 943 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,640 Speaker 2: took Donald Trump to send everything to Congress, when in actuality, 944 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,000 Speaker 2: all he had to do was by executive orders, say 945 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 2: release these files, and then the files would have been 946 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,080 Speaker 2: released by the DOJ. What do you figure was the 947 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,640 Speaker 2: strategy behind all of that. 948 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,120 Speaker 7: You know, it's difficult to look into the head of 949 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 7: our chief executive and I would never presume to say 950 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,680 Speaker 7: what the president was thinking. But what I would say 951 00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,759 Speaker 7: is that this is an issue that is an embarrassing 952 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,160 Speaker 7: one for President Trump. The reality is that even though 953 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:08,400 Speaker 7: they apparently cut ties meant for an extended period of 954 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,040 Speaker 7: time in Donald Trump's adult life, apparently one of his 955 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,920 Speaker 7: best friends was Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps it's more accurate 956 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,520 Speaker 7: to say that one of Jeffrey Epstein's best friends, to 957 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,520 Speaker 7: the extent that he even had a friendships, if you 958 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,640 Speaker 7: could call him, that was Donald Trump. Now it's an embarrassment, 959 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,399 Speaker 7: obviously for the President to be associated with the most 960 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,600 Speaker 7: notorious child sex trafficker in American history. 961 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:35,560 Speaker 2: And I get that. 962 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,920 Speaker 7: And so you know, President Trump is a notoriously proud 963 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,360 Speaker 7: and a tenacious man. And I think that once he 964 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,040 Speaker 7: had made up his mind that he was going to 965 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,239 Speaker 7: avoid embarrassment by avoiding releasing these files, it's been very 966 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 7: difficult for him to change course, and then he faced 967 00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,399 Speaker 7: a pretty significant rebuke from Congress, and so you get 968 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,200 Speaker 7: ahead of that. He instructed Republicans to vote for it 969 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,000 Speaker 7: versus being humiliated in a legislative sense. But you know, 970 00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,480 Speaker 7: to me, I think it would have it would have 971 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,080 Speaker 7: made just as much sense for him to let Congress 972 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,200 Speaker 7: do his thing, do his thing, and then he could 973 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,279 Speaker 7: veto it if he wanted to. But I don't really 974 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:27,320 Speaker 7: know why the President is conducting his strategy related to 975 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,040 Speaker 7: the Epstein files the way that he is. From my standpoint, 976 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:36,120 Speaker 7: the most embarrassing information about the relationship between President Trump 977 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:41,839 Speaker 7: and Jeffrey Epstein has pretty much already emerged, and if 978 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,000 Speaker 7: there's if there's more, well then that would be that 979 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,279 Speaker 7: would of course be disturbing. I don't believe that there is. 980 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,000 Speaker 7: But the answer your question directly, Ken, I really don't 981 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:58,840 Speaker 7: know why the president is doing a source of terrific 982 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,839 Speaker 7: speculation because the approach really did not make sense. 983 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,080 Speaker 2: Well, he did sign, he did sign the bill when 984 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,799 Speaker 2: it came to his desk, and now it's out there. 985 00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,120 Speaker 2: But you know, the narrative that I've heard from those 986 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:17,360 Speaker 2: that support Trump is well, Jeffrey Epstein really wanted to 987 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,520 Speaker 2: collect power, and he really wanted to cultivate people who 988 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,759 Speaker 2: had power, and there, in fact, is why he and 989 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,840 Speaker 2: Trump became I guess friends. But the fact of the 990 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,880 Speaker 2: matter is is the guy like power. But in the end, 991 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,000 Speaker 2: it sounded like when Trump did a one to eighty 992 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,000 Speaker 2: on him, he kind of hated Trump. And it seems 993 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,040 Speaker 2: to me that there's more info in these files about 994 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,760 Speaker 2: Democrats at this point than there is about Donald Trump. 995 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,360 Speaker 2: I know we haven't seen everything, but so far what 996 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:50,200 Speaker 2: we've seen has been more, has been more implicating Democrats, 997 00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,440 Speaker 2: and it has anybody that I've seen on the Republican 998 00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,080 Speaker 2: side of this argument, do you have any information that 999 00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,400 Speaker 2: might be different from what I've. 1000 00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,439 Speaker 7: Seen, Well, first of all, I would just ain't clear 1001 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,279 Speaker 7: that Epstein Justice doesn't approach this issue as a partisan matter. 1002 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,680 Speaker 7: And it really doesn't matter to us as an organization 1003 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:13,680 Speaker 7: whether it's Democrats implicated or Republicans implicated, or Libertarians or independence. 1004 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,080 Speaker 7: What we want is everybody who's involved to be exposed. 1005 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,560 Speaker 7: You know, for example, you know some of the emails 1006 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,040 Speaker 7: that have come out from some of the materials that 1007 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,200 Speaker 7: have already been released by the House Oversight Committee, have 1008 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,400 Speaker 7: you know, I think put Larry Summers in a very 1009 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,280 Speaker 7: very who was a former treasury secretary for the Clintons, 1010 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,560 Speaker 7: in an absolutely horrifying life. 1011 00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,520 Speaker 4: And he's rightly. 1012 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,839 Speaker 7: Stepping back from his duties and all this sort of things. 1013 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,480 Speaker 7: But a guy like that, I mean, he should be 1014 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,840 Speaker 7: publicly humiliated. He associated with one of the most notorious 1015 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,920 Speaker 7: child sex traffickers and asked him for advice on how 1016 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,759 Speaker 7: to get into the pants a sense of one of 1017 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,239 Speaker 7: the of his students. So this is the guy that, 1018 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,400 Speaker 7: if he doesn't face any legal or or civil sanctions, 1019 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,759 Speaker 7: should at least be publicly ashamed and humiliated and not 1020 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,160 Speaker 7: be allowed in public life ever again. And listen, I 1021 00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,520 Speaker 7: think I think all of the people that are involved 1022 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,720 Speaker 7: need to be at the least exposed and brought to 1023 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,480 Speaker 7: the light and publicly shamed. Sometimes in certain cases there 1024 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,520 Speaker 7: may not be legal action that's available to take against 1025 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:31,520 Speaker 7: people who are involved. 1026 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:33,800 Speaker 2: For I'm not a lawyer, but I know how. 1027 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,000 Speaker 7: Difficult it can be to bring actual charges and get convictions. 1028 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,920 Speaker 7: But at a minimum, we should at least have the information, 1029 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,360 Speaker 7: as an American people about who was actually involved, who 1030 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,560 Speaker 7: did what, and who got what from it. 1031 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,400 Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely I don't. I don't think you're going to 1032 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,360 Speaker 2: get pushed back from anybody except perhaps the people that 1033 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,360 Speaker 2: are implicated in these things. You know what I what 1034 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,000 Speaker 2: I what I'm having trouble with is is these files 1035 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,280 Speaker 2: have been around for a long time time. They were 1036 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,280 Speaker 2: around certainly when Joe Biden was president, and I just 1037 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,320 Speaker 2: find it interesting and disturbing, quite frankly, that people are 1038 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,920 Speaker 2: only getting religion on this since Donald Trump took office 1039 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,440 Speaker 2: in January. I mean before that, you know, Joe Biden, 1040 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,840 Speaker 2: and even when he had controls of both House, US 1041 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,840 Speaker 2: Congress and the US Senate, they had no interest in 1042 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,080 Speaker 2: exposing the people that were in these files, let alone 1043 00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,760 Speaker 2: talk about them. I mean, I find that a little 1044 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,160 Speaker 2: disingenuous by people on the left, don't you. 1045 00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,440 Speaker 7: Well, again, I'm a nonpartisan, I'm a registered independent. 1046 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,880 Speaker 2: No, But I'm just saying, just as someone who is 1047 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,000 Speaker 2: concerned about this, it would seem to me that if 1048 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,880 Speaker 2: these things are as damning as they were, you know, 1049 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,960 Speaker 2: why weren't they out there in twenty twenty at the 1050 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:54,120 Speaker 2: very least. I think Epstein died in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, 1051 00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,919 Speaker 2: why weren't they released at that point? That's a great question. 1052 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,240 Speaker 7: Why went or you can go back through each successive 1053 00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,560 Speaker 7: administration and asked the same thing. I mean why because 1054 00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,080 Speaker 7: we've been we've been fighting for disclosure for a long time. Uh. 1055 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,360 Speaker 7: And and my partner, Nick Bryant, is the investigative journalists 1056 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,880 Speaker 7: who both found and then took three years to get 1057 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,480 Speaker 7: him to get anybody to publish but publish Jeffrey Epstein's 1058 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:20,240 Speaker 7: Little Black Book. 1059 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:21,480 Speaker 11: Uh. You know. 1060 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,800 Speaker 7: The thing about that is that when he did that 1061 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,200 Speaker 7: and when he got that information out into the public, 1062 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,120 Speaker 7: even at that time when President Barack Obama was president, 1063 00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,080 Speaker 7: we were, you know, my partner and Nick was calling 1064 00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,400 Speaker 7: for disclosure, you know, more than a decade ago. So 1065 00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,480 Speaker 7: it's not just it's not just the Trump administration. It's 1066 00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,920 Speaker 7: not just the Biden administration. It's the Obama administration. It's 1067 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,880 Speaker 7: the first Trump administration. It's the George W. Bush administration. 1068 00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,520 Speaker 7: I mean, it's it's the George W. Bush administration that 1069 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:03,800 Speaker 7: uh empowered you know, Alexandra Aposta to make the sweetheart 1070 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,800 Speaker 7: deal with Jeffrey Epstein back in two thousand and eight that. 1071 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,080 Speaker 2: Basically let them go free for. 1072 01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,080 Speaker 7: Instead of being put underneath the jail cell for child 1073 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,560 Speaker 7: sex abuse. So I mean, I guess what I'm saying 1074 01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,720 Speaker 7: is that that's a question that can be asked of 1075 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,960 Speaker 7: every administration, both Republican and Democrat, since two thousand and five, 1076 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,640 Speaker 7: and certainly I agree with you that to me, it 1077 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,520 Speaker 7: has certainly been I think a little bit. 1078 01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if i'd use the word disingenuous. 1079 01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,640 Speaker 7: Maybe one word for it, but another word may be 1080 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:45,240 Speaker 7: just revolving, to mean, it's been revolting to watch Democrats 1081 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:49,160 Speaker 7: who have taken and a Republicans do who heretofore, who 1082 01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,400 Speaker 7: have taken no interest in this matter, all of a sudden, 1083 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,680 Speaker 7: when it's going to put the screws to President Trump. Now, i' 1084 01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:00,600 Speaker 7: mean this isn't about President Trump necessarily. This is about 1085 01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:06,720 Speaker 7: getting justice for the victims. When the largest most horrific 1086 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,840 Speaker 7: child sex trafficking network ever to be uncovered on humans 1087 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:16,240 Speaker 7: on American soil is revealed but then covered up, well, 1088 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,640 Speaker 7: you know, how can victims feel like they're ever going 1089 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,280 Speaker 7: to get any healing? How can victims feel like they're 1090 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,800 Speaker 7: safe if the entire thing continues to be pushed under 1091 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,120 Speaker 7: the rug and the official position. 1092 01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,480 Speaker 4: Of the US government still remains that the victims are liared. 1093 01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, the thing that baffles me on all 1094 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,880 Speaker 2: this is during the election of twenty twenty four, Trump 1095 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,360 Speaker 2: said during that election that he wanted the files out. 1096 01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,040 Speaker 2: We're just going to get him out. We're going to 1097 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,120 Speaker 2: release him. And then he's in office for three weeks 1098 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:45,200 Speaker 2: and Pam Bondi is appointed general manager General Attorney General 1099 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,640 Speaker 2: and she says, they're on my desk and I'm going 1100 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,440 Speaker 2: to release him. And then there was all of this 1101 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:55,320 Speaker 2: foot dragging until this past week when they were finally released. Yeah, don't. 1102 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,440 Speaker 2: I just don't understand that game, because if the Democrats 1103 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:03,120 Speaker 2: had any thing on Donald Trump, we would have heard 1104 01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,360 Speaker 2: about it in the last election cycle or in the 1105 01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,600 Speaker 2: time that Joe Biden was in office. I mean, the 1106 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,600 Speaker 2: one thing that unites Democrats more than anything else is 1107 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,720 Speaker 2: this unabashed, unobated hatred of Donald Trump. They could care 1108 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,680 Speaker 2: less about Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton. That's the 1109 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,720 Speaker 2: guy that unites Democrats in their hatred. And if they 1110 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,040 Speaker 2: had something they would have, they would have this would 1111 01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,040 Speaker 2: have been out in the public long before right now. 1112 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,360 Speaker 2: So I have, for the life of me, I can't 1113 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,480 Speaker 2: figure out why Trump would drag his feet on this thing, 1114 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,320 Speaker 2: knowing full well that you know, whatever he was implicated 1115 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,920 Speaker 2: in was not anything that was going to get him 1116 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:45,000 Speaker 2: impeached or deny him on an election in twenty twenty four. 1117 01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,440 Speaker 2: I just it just baffles me the way this thing 1118 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,160 Speaker 2: was played out. And I know you say you don't, 1119 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,480 Speaker 2: you don't want to take sides politically, but at the 1120 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,160 Speaker 2: very least you have to admit it strange. 1121 01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:59,040 Speaker 4: Right, Oh yeah, well, but I'm so let's let's just 1122 01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:00,280 Speaker 4: think about this first and. 1123 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:05,120 Speaker 7: Ken, what would motivate the president of the United States, 1124 01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,920 Speaker 7: who's already been president once by the way, he's on 1125 01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,120 Speaker 7: the campaign trail. He says, look, I'm going to release 1126 01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,640 Speaker 7: the files. He's maybe never even seen these files, right, 1127 01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,600 Speaker 7: So he goes into office and then the information is 1128 01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,760 Speaker 7: presented to him. Sir, what's in these files is that 1129 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:26,800 Speaker 7: Jeffrey Epstein was a CIA asset and that his child 1130 01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:32,360 Speaker 7: sex trafficking network was in fact monitored by CIA handlers, 1131 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:37,920 Speaker 7: who then helped eliminate him when he became too much 1132 01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,200 Speaker 7: of a pain in the neck to deal with. 1133 01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,880 Speaker 2: Now, you're just speculating, speculating. 1134 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:44,800 Speaker 4: I'm saying that that happened. 1135 01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,200 Speaker 7: What I am saying is that I would sure like 1136 01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,439 Speaker 7: to know if that was the truth, wouldn't you sure? 1137 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,040 Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, does that explain the situation? 1138 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:54,160 Speaker 2: It certainly does. 1139 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,520 Speaker 7: But or worse yet, Hey, mister President, it turns out 1140 01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,080 Speaker 7: Jeffrey Epstein was in fact controlled by Masad. I mean, 1141 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,959 Speaker 7: I'm not saying he was any of those things. Please 1142 01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,360 Speaker 7: don't misunderstand me. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm just 1143 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,440 Speaker 7: saying when people don't know the answers, they make them up, 1144 01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,920 Speaker 7: don't they, And so especially when the answers are reasonable. 1145 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, in the absence of information, all theories can 1146 01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,919 Speaker 2: be true. As a wise man once said Peter Schen, 1147 01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,400 Speaker 2: associate director of Epstein Justice dot Com. I think, Peter, 1148 01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,360 Speaker 2: you and I are going to watch this thing unfold. 1149 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,040 Speaker 2: It will be interesting to see what information actually gets 1150 01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,320 Speaker 2: out to us. But my guess is, regardless of that, 1151 01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,160 Speaker 2: Epstein Justice will be on top of it again. Epstein 1152 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,360 Speaker 2: Justice dot Com. This is retired the tenant Colonel Peatschen. 1153 01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,960 Speaker 2: Peter was someone who served this country for a very 1154 01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,680 Speaker 2: long time in uniform and won the Bronze Star or 1155 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,360 Speaker 2: was awarded I'm sorry the Bronze Star. Peter it's always 1156 01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,160 Speaker 2: great catching up to you. Good stuff. Hopefully we can 1157 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,080 Speaker 2: visit down the road. Until then, stay. 1158 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:57,000 Speaker 7: Well, Thank you, Ken, I appreciate it and always great 1159 01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:57,640 Speaker 7: to fit it with you. 1160 01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,720 Speaker 2: No, no worries. Don't you find it odd that the 1161 01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,600 Speaker 2: minute the government shutdown ended, which was orchestrated by the Democrats, 1162 01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,240 Speaker 2: we now have the Epstein things. So now Trump kind 1163 01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,280 Speaker 2: of played this, He said, all right, you want the files. 1164 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,320 Speaker 2: There they are. I don't care who's in them. There 1165 01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,480 Speaker 2: they are. My guess is in those files are a 1166 01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,360 Speaker 2: lot of high profile people, and I think you have 1167 01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,600 Speaker 2: to follow the money. There have been some very very 1168 01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:29,320 Speaker 2: interesting financial transaction between Jeffrey Epstein and some of the 1169 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:34,440 Speaker 2: major banks that may be exposed inside of those Epstein files. 1170 01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,160 Speaker 2: Keep your antenna up and always understand the answer to 1171 01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:42,760 Speaker 2: all of our questions in life is money. To twenty 1172 01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:47,040 Speaker 2: six News Radio seven hundred wl W SO waken twenty 1173 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,960 Speaker 2: eight to three over Rutgers, Julian saying is back in 1174 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,840 Speaker 2: the game, but their top two wide receivers aren't playing 1175 01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,360 Speaker 2: in this game. Well, you know, there was this least 1176 01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,960 Speaker 2: bit of doubt about their top two players, and given 1177 01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,560 Speaker 2: what's coming up next, I think you defer on the 1178 01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,720 Speaker 2: side of caution. There Number three, Texas A and M 1179 01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:15,120 Speaker 2: is comfortably ahead playing at home today. I like A 1180 01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,960 Speaker 2: and M. I just think they're a really good football team. 1181 01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:22,480 Speaker 2: They're playing Sanford today. That is sam frd the one 1182 01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:26,920 Speaker 2: win Samford Bulldogs right now, early fourth quarter, Texas A 1183 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,960 Speaker 2: and M forty one and Samford zero. And then of 1184 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,880 Speaker 2: course a lot of other games are occurring in and 1185 01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,120 Speaker 2: around the country today. The one we're keeping our eye 1186 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,840 Speaker 2: on obviously, as you see in BYU, and that's tonight, 1187 01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:45,160 Speaker 2: Nipid night. And right here on seven hundred at WYLW 1188 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:49,400 Speaker 2: tomorrow it's the Bengals against the Patriots. No Joe Burrow, 1189 01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:55,440 Speaker 2: he was not activated. He has of course been at 1190 01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,439 Speaker 2: least on the field practicing, but there was some thought 1191 01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,959 Speaker 2: that he might play. He is not. We'll see about 1192 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:06,000 Speaker 2: Thursday night in Baltimore. And de John Anthony, the safety 1193 01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,360 Speaker 2: who has been out, not playing tomorrow. And of course 1194 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,040 Speaker 2: Jamar Chase is not playing tomorrow, sitting out the one 1195 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:18,760 Speaker 2: game suspension for spitting on a player last week. I 1196 01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,960 Speaker 2: don't want to hear about who it was Jalen Ramsey, 1197 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,080 Speaker 2: what Ramsey might have done, didn't do, and all that 1198 01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,880 Speaker 2: you never spent on another human being under any circumstance. 1199 01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,200 Speaker 2: So anyway, he is out for tomorrow as well, and 1200 01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,240 Speaker 2: they will face one of the hottest quarterbacks in the country. 1201 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:41,800 Speaker 2: That would be Drake May, who has experienced the resurgent 1202 01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,600 Speaker 2: under Mike Rabel, the head coach up there and his 1203 01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:49,080 Speaker 2: new coaching staff. Dax Hill, Bengal cornerback, talking about. 1204 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,640 Speaker 12: That this week, I really just have to contain him 1205 01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,360 Speaker 12: second year, and I felt like just putting pressure on 1206 01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,600 Speaker 12: him early and I'm just making a horror for him. 1207 01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,800 Speaker 12: I feel like, well Fluster's game a little bit, so 1208 01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,800 Speaker 12: just putting pressure on him and really just playing our game. 1209 01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,360 Speaker 12: The last couple of weeks, we've kind of just made 1210 01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,400 Speaker 12: absent flow and so we just kind of just focus 1211 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,160 Speaker 12: on ourselves and just once we do that, I feel 1212 01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:12,280 Speaker 12: like everything else will come together. 1213 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:12,600 Speaker 7: Well. 1214 01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,320 Speaker 2: Let's hope it would be refreshing to see a win anywhere, 1215 01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,720 Speaker 2: certainly at Pey Corpse Stadium. Someone who is coming to 1216 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,599 Speaker 2: the game is someone who is so charged with covering 1217 01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,439 Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. He's been on the beat up 1218 01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:28,559 Speaker 2: there for several years and he works for the Athletic 1219 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,439 Speaker 2: Dot Com and I say this every time I have 1220 01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,439 Speaker 2: a guest on from the Athletic. It is the best 1221 01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,600 Speaker 2: investment you can make if you want to see sports 1222 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:41,040 Speaker 2: covered with good journalism, No roll up ads, no cheap videos, 1223 01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,200 Speaker 2: just good solid writing. And my next guest is part 1224 01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,559 Speaker 2: of that reason. He is, I said, has been covering 1225 01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,640 Speaker 2: the Patriots for a while now, and it's great to 1226 01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,880 Speaker 2: welcome Chad Graft to the show. And Chad, how are 1227 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,519 Speaker 2: you in this glorious Saturday. I'm doing well, what an intro? 1228 01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,479 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Well, you know, we kind 1229 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,120 Speaker 2: of like the Athletic. It has its roots here in Cincinnati, 1230 01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,800 Speaker 2: and quite frankly, now, all you guys are big city, 1231 01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,320 Speaker 2: big time, big deal with the New York Times and everything, 1232 01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,200 Speaker 2: so we should be nice to you. I suppose it 1233 01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:11,600 Speaker 2: should be. 1234 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:12,360 Speaker 4: Nice to you guys. 1235 01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,639 Speaker 13: Well, thank you. It's been fun and kind of weird 1236 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,120 Speaker 13: to be frank This season, I moved to New England 1237 01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:20,600 Speaker 13: to start doing the Patriots. I grew up in New 1238 01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,080 Speaker 13: England and I've only done the Patriots for four years, 1239 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,320 Speaker 13: and so this is my first piece of like a 1240 01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:26,400 Speaker 13: good football team. 1241 01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:32,320 Speaker 2: Let's start there. Obviously, there are a lot of reasons 1242 01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,920 Speaker 2: why a team plays well when it does not play 1243 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,000 Speaker 2: very well the year before. But the biggest thing I 1244 01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,640 Speaker 2: look at is Mike Rabel. Coaches talk about culture. They 1245 01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,960 Speaker 2: talk about wanting to bring a new culture to the 1246 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,479 Speaker 2: locker room, and a lot of that is just as 1247 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,400 Speaker 2: you well know, is just coach speak. But has he 1248 01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,120 Speaker 2: done that? Is that the biggest difference from this team 1249 01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:55,320 Speaker 2: last year to this year? Yeah, it's truly crazy. 1250 01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,120 Speaker 13: And to be honest, I kind of dismissed a lot 1251 01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,559 Speaker 13: of it as coach speak when he was talking about 1252 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,000 Speaker 13: it in his introductory at press conference and along the way, 1253 01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,720 Speaker 13: just because I think that you did always knew what 1254 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,559 Speaker 13: you were going to get from Mike Rabel, just from 1255 01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,680 Speaker 13: his time in Tennessee, from his demeanor, from the way 1256 01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,559 Speaker 13: he acts, from the toughness, from all of that being. 1257 01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:14,240 Speaker 2: An Ohio guy. 1258 01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:20,000 Speaker 13: And yet, you know, I just didn't think a turnaround 1259 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,720 Speaker 13: would be able to be pulled off this click Like 1260 01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,120 Speaker 13: this is a team that won four games last year, They. 1261 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:26,320 Speaker 4: Won four games the year before. 1262 01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:27,240 Speaker 12: They should have had the. 1263 01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,320 Speaker 2: Number one pick. Last year. We all talked about them as. 1264 01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:29,880 Speaker 4: A four win team. 1265 01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,840 Speaker 13: Last year they were a three win team, and then 1266 01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,599 Speaker 13: Buffalo was They played Buffalo in the last week. All 1267 01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,200 Speaker 13: they to do was losing at the number take in 1268 01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,439 Speaker 13: Buffalo was like, whoa, whoa, We're gonna have the number 1269 01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,800 Speaker 13: one pick in division. Forget about that. So this was 1270 01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,080 Speaker 13: a terrible football team. And granted there are still questions. 1271 01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,559 Speaker 13: They've played, by far the league's easiest schedule, so it's 1272 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,040 Speaker 13: not like, you know, a. 1273 01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,600 Speaker 4: Nine to two team that's just blowing the doors. 1274 01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:53,040 Speaker 2: Off of everybody. 1275 01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,439 Speaker 13: And yet they have the best record in the NFL, 1276 01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,559 Speaker 13: which is crazy to think considering what the Patriots were 1277 01:10:58,640 --> 01:10:59,639 Speaker 13: the last couple of years. 1278 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,599 Speaker 2: Emblematic of all of that as Drake May who came 1279 01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,080 Speaker 2: out of college. He was a terrific college player, but 1280 01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,160 Speaker 2: he looked like he didn't. He was like that crazed 1281 01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,240 Speaker 2: dog last year. He didn't know whether to sick them 1282 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,800 Speaker 2: or come here. I mean, it was just like he 1283 01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:17,960 Speaker 2: was completely lost. Now he's found what is able to 1284 01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,559 Speaker 2: quarterback whisper with this guy? Or is there something else 1285 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:21,320 Speaker 2: going on with him? 1286 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,040 Speaker 13: Well, it's amazing because he had enough moments last year 1287 01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,080 Speaker 13: he thought Okay, there might be something in there. But 1288 01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,639 Speaker 13: here was my concern coming into this season for him 1289 01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,840 Speaker 13: was I didn't think the offensive line was going to 1290 01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,040 Speaker 13: be very good. I didn't think his wide receivers were 1291 01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,280 Speaker 13: very good, and it turns out the wide receivers have 1292 01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,800 Speaker 13: been great with Stefan Diggs. The offensive line has been 1293 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,080 Speaker 13: much much better than I expected. And then here's the 1294 01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,599 Speaker 13: other wrinkle to all of this. They brought back Josh 1295 01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,760 Speaker 13: McDaniels as offensive coordinator. And frankly, when they did that, 1296 01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,400 Speaker 13: I kind of thought, like, oh man, they're really just 1297 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,920 Speaker 13: bring him back the retreads and playing all the hits 1298 01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,439 Speaker 13: from what worked in the Brady days. And like, we've 1299 01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,479 Speaker 13: seen Josh McDaniels in Denver, and we've seen Josh McDaniels 1300 01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,400 Speaker 13: in Vegas. This is the guy that they're going to 1301 01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,200 Speaker 13: bring in for Drake May. And I couldn't have been 1302 01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:08,160 Speaker 13: more wrongly. He's been awesome as offensive coordinator. Once again, 1303 01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,559 Speaker 13: I think it just shows like some coaches probably should 1304 01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:15,519 Speaker 13: just remain offensive coordinators. He is an awesome, awesome, like 1305 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,920 Speaker 13: as elite as it gets offensive coordinator. So even if 1306 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,240 Speaker 13: the head coach Stintce haven't worked, I think what Josh 1307 01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,120 Speaker 13: McDaniels is doing with Drake May is really really special. 1308 01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,240 Speaker 2: Well, who's doing it with Stefan Diggs? Because there's a 1309 01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:31,040 Speaker 2: resurrection in and of itself. This guy was damaged goods 1310 01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,400 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now he's blossoming. I think he's 1311 01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:37,960 Speaker 2: got three touchdown receptions or about seven hundred receiving yards 1312 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,120 Speaker 2: so far this season. What's going on with him? And 1313 01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,639 Speaker 2: why is there that chemistry with Drake May? 1314 01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,040 Speaker 13: Totally And it's crazy because he's coming off with an 1315 01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,800 Speaker 13: apl tear that he suffered ten to eleven months ago, 1316 01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,719 Speaker 13: so it's not even like he's, you know, totally repaired. 1317 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,640 Speaker 13: He didn't get a full training camp, They kind of 1318 01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,840 Speaker 13: limited his snaps early in the season, and yet in 1319 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,360 Speaker 13: spite of all of that, he's having the season that 1320 01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,320 Speaker 13: he's happy. And it comes back to I think he's 1321 01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,240 Speaker 13: just such a smart football player, like he was one 1322 01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,679 Speaker 13: of in his prime. He's probably the best route runner 1323 01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,800 Speaker 13: in the NFL, along with DeVante Adams during that kind 1324 01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:14,839 Speaker 13: of twenty eighteen nineteen run. 1325 01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:17,360 Speaker 4: And that has lasted. 1326 01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,680 Speaker 13: Like even if he may not have quite the same explosiveness, 1327 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,519 Speaker 13: or even if he might not have quite as much 1328 01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:27,120 Speaker 13: speed as he once did, he's still very, very savvy 1329 01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,839 Speaker 13: as a route runner. And it's given Drake May somebody 1330 01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,080 Speaker 13: who's reliable, who's always going to be in the right spot. 1331 01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:35,559 Speaker 13: Like last year, Drake Man had wide receivers who didn't 1332 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:37,280 Speaker 13: know how to line up or where to go and 1333 01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,800 Speaker 13: so as nothing else. Stefan Diggs has brought some professionalism 1334 01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,280 Speaker 13: there of Hey, if you tell me to run an 1335 01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,240 Speaker 13: eight yard slant like I am going to do that, 1336 01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,200 Speaker 13: I will be exactly where you need me to be. 1337 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,080 Speaker 13: And for a quarterback like Drake who likes to kind 1338 01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,639 Speaker 13: of move around the pocket and buy time, it's helpful 1339 01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,560 Speaker 13: for him to know exactly where everyone is. 1340 01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,840 Speaker 2: I mean, it really is. It's stunning. We all know 1341 01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:03,040 Speaker 2: Traveon Henderson from this area of the country, and it 1342 01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,920 Speaker 2: would seem to me that the Patriots, if they're going 1343 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,000 Speaker 2: to be successful in this game, are going to have 1344 01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,400 Speaker 2: to attack the perimeter with their run game. Teams that 1345 01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,479 Speaker 2: have attacked the Bengals with their run game have been plentiful, 1346 01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,200 Speaker 2: but those that succeed the most are the ones that 1347 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,439 Speaker 2: can get the ball on the perimeter outside. Tell me 1348 01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:22,840 Speaker 2: about Henderson, who I remember more as a tackle to 1349 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,840 Speaker 2: tackle guy at Ohio State, and then Ramandre Stevenson. Do 1350 01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,559 Speaker 2: they do a lot of that? Is there a lot 1351 01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,680 Speaker 2: of perimeter or attack with their running game with their 1352 01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:31,160 Speaker 2: running game. 1353 01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,439 Speaker 13: So I think it's an interesting matchup for this because 1354 01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,040 Speaker 13: I think the Patriots are probably licking their tops right now. 1355 01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,519 Speaker 13: Their running game has not been great lately. It's been 1356 01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,320 Speaker 13: boom or bust all season. They've really struggled, and they've 1357 01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,960 Speaker 13: used Ramandre Stevenson as more of, you know, the first 1358 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,000 Speaker 13: and second down guy between the tackles, gonna get you 1359 01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:53,080 Speaker 13: four yards, but probably not a whole lot else, just 1360 01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,680 Speaker 13: the consistent, steady guy, and then trade down Henderson for that. Hey, 1361 01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,320 Speaker 13: let's bounce it outside here, let's take advantage of this speed. 1362 01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,320 Speaker 13: Is a very fast runner, and he's been the home 1363 01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,360 Speaker 13: run threat. Stevenson has missed the last couple of games. 1364 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,760 Speaker 13: He's been limited and practices, so we'll see what his 1365 01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,040 Speaker 13: status is. But Trebon Henderson, I think is finally starting 1366 01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:13,680 Speaker 13: to come into his own. It took a little bit 1367 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,640 Speaker 13: longer than I think the Patriots anticipated. There were some 1368 01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,120 Speaker 13: pass blocking issues, which was a bit of a surprise 1369 01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,120 Speaker 13: since he was very good at that at Ohio State. 1370 01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,600 Speaker 2: But he has just been so so explosive. 1371 01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,320 Speaker 13: He's so so good on those runs to the perimeter, 1372 01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,000 Speaker 13: and so you know, we talked about Josh McDaniels in 1373 01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,360 Speaker 13: the job that he's done an offensive coordinator. I think 1374 01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,800 Speaker 13: he's probably watched some of those Bengals games and though, boys, 1375 01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,840 Speaker 13: this is going to be a big Travon Henderson to 1376 01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:41,679 Speaker 13: the outside game. And remember Josh mccamis was the offensive 1377 01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,960 Speaker 13: coordinator for those years that were so frustrating for fantasy 1378 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,680 Speaker 13: football earners with the Patriots when they would just use 1379 01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,560 Speaker 13: different running backs dependent on the opponent. I think you 1380 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,719 Speaker 13: could see that where this will be a big Travon 1381 01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,280 Speaker 13: Henderson game on Sunday. 1382 01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:56,800 Speaker 2: Let's flip it to the other side of the ball. 1383 01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:00,200 Speaker 2: Let's talk defensively. They run a base three four. The 1384 01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,799 Speaker 2: other thing about New England I think that is interesting 1385 01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,080 Speaker 2: is Milton Williams, who looks like he's well, he won't 1386 01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,320 Speaker 2: be at the game. He's out, he's on ir Despite 1387 01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,480 Speaker 2: that that, they seem to have depth on the inside 1388 01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,479 Speaker 2: of their defensive line. I'm not discounting the loss of Williams. 1389 01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,439 Speaker 2: He's a great player, but they do seem rather stout 1390 01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,920 Speaker 2: on the inside, which allows those edge guys to get 1391 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,360 Speaker 2: out and get after it. Explain to me what's going 1392 01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:26,920 Speaker 2: on a little bit on that side of the ball. 1393 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:31,040 Speaker 13: Well, what's surprising to me is their plan has kind 1394 01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,479 Speaker 13: of worked perfectly better than I ever imagined, which has 1395 01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,840 Speaker 13: been they're going to put some real big bodies up 1396 01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,400 Speaker 13: front and in the middle and do everything to stop 1397 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,920 Speaker 13: the run, to try to get you if you're running 1398 01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,120 Speaker 13: it on first down or second and long or whatever, 1399 01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,560 Speaker 13: to get you in the more obvious passing situation. And 1400 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,759 Speaker 13: then they want to play a bunch of man defense 1401 01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,360 Speaker 13: on the back end because they really like their two 1402 01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,920 Speaker 13: outside cornerbacks Christian zal Is, a former first round pick 1403 01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:57,920 Speaker 13: who I think is probably a top ten corner at 1404 01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,479 Speaker 13: this point, and then Carlton Davis on the other side. 1405 01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,360 Speaker 13: So they want to get you into obvious passing situations 1406 01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,240 Speaker 13: by stopping your running game. Now, I don't know if 1407 01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,760 Speaker 13: that necessarily matches up great against the Bengals. Might just say, 1408 01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,080 Speaker 13: you want us to pass it forty five times, like, sure, 1409 01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,559 Speaker 13: we could do that, So we'll see how that matches up. 1410 01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,439 Speaker 13: But what has worked for the Patriots defense is stopping 1411 01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,559 Speaker 13: the run, and then they're getting teams into third. 1412 01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:23,560 Speaker 2: And long, and that's just a tough way to live. Gonzalez. 1413 01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:27,000 Speaker 2: It would stand a reason in football sense that with 1414 01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,719 Speaker 2: Jamar Chase out that he would man up on Tee Higgins. 1415 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:34,080 Speaker 2: But Gonzalez, from what I've seen, you've seen everything. But 1416 01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,080 Speaker 2: from what I've watched, he doesn't seem to travel as much. 1417 01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,080 Speaker 2: He doesn't seem to be blocked up on the other 1418 01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:41,760 Speaker 2: guy's number one am I am I right about that 1419 01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:42,240 Speaker 2: or wrong? 1420 01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,679 Speaker 13: Well, it's interesting. Under Belichick and Gerrod Mayo, he traveled everywhere. 1421 01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,000 Speaker 2: Here's your guy, go cover your guy. 1422 01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,439 Speaker 13: I think Drabel would like to get to that point, 1423 01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,760 Speaker 13: but because of injuries and some other things, haven't quite 1424 01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:58,160 Speaker 13: gotten there. But because of the way the Bengals are constructed, 1425 01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,160 Speaker 13: because of the way that the Patriots as started to 1426 01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,759 Speaker 13: get healthier, it wouldn't surprise me if he does travel 1427 01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,720 Speaker 13: with te Higgins and Brabel just says, like Rabel's the 1428 01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:09,919 Speaker 13: introductory press comment, he said, I want to play cat defense, Like, hey, quarterbacks, 1429 01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,479 Speaker 13: you got that cat, You got that cat, go play defense. 1430 01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,840 Speaker 13: And so it wouldn't surprise me if he says, hey, 1431 01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,559 Speaker 13: chrisian Gogald, you see that guy number five, Like everywhere 1432 01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:19,760 Speaker 13: he goes, you follow him. 1433 01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:20,320 Speaker 6: Yeah. 1434 01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:26,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, actually, nothing has surprised me more than the 1435 01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,880 Speaker 2: fact that the Bengals offensively have put up a lot 1436 01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,160 Speaker 2: of offense in the wake of Joe Burrow's injury and 1437 01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,280 Speaker 2: still have not managed to win football games. But let's 1438 01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,200 Speaker 2: talk about Burrow for a second. Are they preparing for 1439 01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,960 Speaker 2: either Burrow or Flacco this week or is Rabel's attitude 1440 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,639 Speaker 2: it really doesn't matter kind of both. 1441 01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,000 Speaker 13: They said that they're preparing for both, but they're also 1442 01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,880 Speaker 13: saying that their game plan and preparation isn't going to 1443 01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,000 Speaker 13: change a whole lot. And you know, the Jamar chasing, 1444 01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,280 Speaker 13: I think is the real big one in terms of 1445 01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,560 Speaker 13: when you have two awesome wide receivers like Bengals do, 1446 01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,120 Speaker 13: it makes it hard to just say, hey, Christian Zalas, 1447 01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:05,519 Speaker 13: you know, go take this one guy, and then you 1448 01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,200 Speaker 13: get burned by the other guy. And so I think 1449 01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:11,519 Speaker 13: that is a tough like that suspension is big for 1450 01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:13,960 Speaker 13: this matchup where the Patriots have one corner that they 1451 01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:17,680 Speaker 13: really like and can you know, have them travel, I 1452 01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:19,200 Speaker 13: think that's going to be a big difference. And I 1453 01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:21,840 Speaker 13: think that's going to be a fascinating matchup of Key 1454 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,960 Speaker 13: Higgins versus Christian Dales and how that goes, because as 1455 01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,120 Speaker 13: far as the passing game goes, the Patriots have said 1456 01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,760 Speaker 13: we're going to prep a little bit for flag Out, 1457 01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:31,639 Speaker 13: a little bit for Burrow, But at the same time, 1458 01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,599 Speaker 13: we don't think it makes a dramatic, dramatic difference. 1459 01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,400 Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned this early in the interview, and 1460 01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,280 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think people will look at 1461 01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,799 Speaker 2: a schedule, We'll say, well, they're playing a last place schedule, 1462 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,920 Speaker 2: or look at how easy it is. Well, look, you 1463 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,479 Speaker 2: that team has got some big wins this year. The 1464 01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,240 Speaker 2: Buccaneers were pretty damn good when they beat the Buccaneers 1465 01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,400 Speaker 2: in Tampa a couple of weeks ago. I think they're 1466 01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,880 Speaker 2: the Bills. You go to Buffalo and you beat the 1467 01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:00,439 Speaker 2: Bills by three and the other one. I think that 1468 01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:05,680 Speaker 2: stands out. Although it wasn't against a premier team, that 1469 01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:10,320 Speaker 2: team put thirty two up on a Cleveland Brown's defense. 1470 01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,680 Speaker 2: So I think this thing about the soft schedule or 1471 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,400 Speaker 2: last place, whatever you want to call it, I think 1472 01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:20,160 Speaker 2: oftentimes it's kind of overblown. I'm not so sure things 1473 01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,479 Speaker 2: translate as they were one year to the next, and 1474 01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,760 Speaker 2: the Patriots are an excellent example of that. It just 1475 01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,880 Speaker 2: because something happened the year before does not necessarily mean 1476 01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,240 Speaker 2: that's going to happen the next year. I really don't 1477 01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,600 Speaker 2: put a lot into the soft schedule. 1478 01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:34,479 Speaker 7: Do you. 1479 01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,800 Speaker 13: Yeah, At the thought schedule, I think would matter more 1480 01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,720 Speaker 13: to me if they were barely beating the Jets and 1481 01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,240 Speaker 13: the Dolphins and the Browns and these teams that they've played. 1482 01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,560 Speaker 13: But they have one of the best point differentials in 1483 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,120 Speaker 13: the NFL because they're beating up on these bad teams 1484 01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:49,920 Speaker 13: the way that you would think a good team should. 1485 01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:53,679 Speaker 13: And so, you know, if they were beating the Browns 1486 01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,479 Speaker 13: thirteen to ten, I would probably be a little bit worried. 1487 01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:57,720 Speaker 2: They had the Jets on. 1488 01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:01,599 Speaker 13: Thursday night football rest game, and if they only won 1489 01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,080 Speaker 13: that game by three points or something, maybe he'd be 1490 01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:04,840 Speaker 13: a little bit worried. 1491 01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:06,280 Speaker 2: But it was a double digit win. 1492 01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,280 Speaker 13: For them, and they're racking up the double digit wins, 1493 01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,880 Speaker 13: and so I'm not quite as worried, even though I 1494 01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:12,920 Speaker 13: think it is fair to note that they have had 1495 01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:16,360 Speaker 13: a bunch of cupcakes on their schedule, that they are 1496 01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,080 Speaker 13: taking care of business against the bad teams the way 1497 01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,200 Speaker 13: that a good team should and would all. 1498 01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,679 Speaker 2: Right, Chad handicap this, Now, how does it play out? 1499 01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:28,720 Speaker 2: What will come four o'clock on Sunday afternoon? How does 1500 01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:29,320 Speaker 2: this thing look? 1501 01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,160 Speaker 13: Yeah, Well, I'm super fascinated by this. I'm very curious 1502 01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,879 Speaker 13: what's going to happen because this Bengals defense is exactly 1503 01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,280 Speaker 13: what the Patriots would love to. 1504 01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:39,920 Speaker 4: Play right now. 1505 01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,760 Speaker 13: And so I think that the Patriots actually don't try 1506 01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,360 Speaker 13: to air it out, even though they have Drake May 1507 01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:47,680 Speaker 13: and even though he's having an MVP season. I think 1508 01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,280 Speaker 13: they'll pick their spots when to take eapshots. But I 1509 01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:51,840 Speaker 13: think they're going to want to control the clock in 1510 01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,200 Speaker 13: this one. I think they're going to bounce Travon Henderson 1511 01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,240 Speaker 13: to the outside quite a bit. And I've got the 1512 01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:59,200 Speaker 13: Patriots winning by more than a touchdown. 1513 01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:06,760 Speaker 2: Well, they wouldn't be the first. Again, yet another reason 1514 01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,040 Speaker 2: why you need to subscribe to the Athletic dot com, 1515 01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:12,000 Speaker 2: good in depth stuff from Chad Graft. He covers the 1516 01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,360 Speaker 2: Patriots on a daily basis. All right, Chad, thanks for 1517 01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:16,720 Speaker 2: your time. We appreciate it, and hopefully we get a 1518 01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:20,280 Speaker 2: chance to talk down the road aving me. I don't 1519 01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,519 Speaker 2: know if it'll be this year, but hopefully down the road. 1520 01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:28,280 Speaker 2: No Joe Burrow tomorrow, no c J no, no Jamar Chase. 1521 01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:35,200 Speaker 2: It's going to be very difficult. It just is. This 1522 01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:40,280 Speaker 2: team is red hot. Maybe the averages say they're due 1523 01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,840 Speaker 2: for a win for a loss, but after that streak 1524 01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,919 Speaker 2: that they've put together, it's going to be very difficult. 1525 01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,280 Speaker 2: But nevertheless, that's why you play the game, and that's 1526 01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:51,599 Speaker 2: why you try, and let's not forget that. Up until 1527 01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:55,439 Speaker 2: the last time out against Pittsburgh, Joe Flacco was putting 1528 01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:59,560 Speaker 2: up on goodly numbers on offense. They were just absolutely 1529 01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,639 Speaker 2: un believable. Of course, he needed to do that because 1530 01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:08,360 Speaker 2: the defense was giving up ungodly numbers to the other team. Nevertheless, no, 1531 01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,560 Speaker 2: Joe one point zero, Joe two point zero. Here we go. 1532 01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:15,880 Speaker 2: It is two fifty four News Radio seven hundred wl W. 1533 01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:17,360 Speaker 6: Is it true? 1534 01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:17,920 Speaker 2: Tom Brand