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Speaker 1: Timing is everything. That's why we have Ken Cober, the

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Speaker 1: FOP president representing the SININNT Police Department Union, back on

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Speaker 1: the program because apparently we have something called the revolving

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Speaker 1: door of justice in Hamilton County. Ken Kober, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of that?

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Speaker 2: Than good morning Brian, yet thanks for really No, I've

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Speaker 2: heard of that. I've witnessed it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you have. And sort of joking as

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Speaker 1: a start, but let's review what we're talking about here.

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Speaker 1: We got the shooting issue that happened at Riverfront Live,

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Speaker 1: which is a music venue. Frannique Cobb, who's twenty four,

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Speaker 1: and Derek Long twenty nine, apparently had a beef with

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Speaker 1: each other and thought it was appropriate in a crowded

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Speaker 1: room filled with between five hundred and nine hundred people.

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Speaker 1: The numbers vary from wherever you read about it. They

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Speaker 1: just decided to open fire. Nine people got shot. This

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Speaker 1: made national headlines, and of course there's charges in Hamilton County.

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Speaker 1: But apparently these people don't represent much of a threat

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Speaker 1: to society because when they were in front of a judge,

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Speaker 1: at least the one that was in front of a

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Speaker 1: jubb Fernique Cobb, who is known to law enforcement and

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Speaker 1: carrying a firearm and shooting with it, he was under

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Speaker 1: a disability, which means he's had prior involvement in the

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Speaker 1: justice system with a crime that probably was a felony.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't allowed lawfully to even carry a firearm. He

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Speaker 1: ignored that he broke the law. So but being in

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Speaker 1: front of a judge in Hamilton County, the judge issued

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Speaker 1: a fifty thousand dollars bond. Fifty thousand dollars bond. Now,

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Speaker 1: the prosecutors asked for high bond. They could have requested

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Speaker 1: no bond, in other words, I'm sorry, he represents a

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Speaker 1: danger to society. You can't let him out. But for

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Speaker 1: whatever reason, they asked for high bond, and the judge said, nah,

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars. Even Mayor aftab Paraval has now come

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Speaker 1: out saying he's appalled at that ken he found criminal

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Speaker 1: justice aftab Pervall. I thought he was all woke, revolving

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Speaker 1: door justice in Hamilton County. Let's what's your take on

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Speaker 1: all this?

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Speaker 2: Well, I could say, first of all, these two guys,

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Speaker 2: neither one of them have any part of being in society.

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Speaker 2: To do something like this is just absolutely unthinkable. Like

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Speaker 2: Freney Cobb, he just got out of prison in December

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Speaker 2: on a gun charge. Here we are two months later.

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Speaker 2: We need more laws, Yeah, exactly what. We need more

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Speaker 2: laws or we need laws to be enforced. And think

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Speaker 2: thankfully we had the ATF and you know the Southern

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Speaker 2: Ohio District Attorney Dominic Jerrasi that stepped in and said,

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Speaker 2: we know what's going to happen here in Hamilton County.

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Speaker 2: So before they were able to make a bond, they

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Speaker 2: signed federal charges on him. Those federal charges are going

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Speaker 2: to stick, and both of these guys are going to

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Speaker 2: end up in the federal prison system for a very

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Speaker 2: long time, where we know that they would get you know,

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Speaker 2: probation in a book report if they were here in

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Speaker 2: local charges.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what I wanted to ask you about

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Speaker 1: because they have been charged with illegally possessing a firearm

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Speaker 1: or ammunition as a convicted felon, which is like possessing

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Speaker 1: weapons with the disability that in and of itself is

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Speaker 1: a crime. And from what I understand, each charge allows

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Speaker 1: them to face up to fifteen years in prison. So

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Speaker 1: this is big boy time here. But let me ask

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Speaker 1: there was a comparable case. How unusual it is it

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Speaker 1: for the federal for federal involvement, for the Southern District

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Speaker 1: of Ohio Attorney US attorney to get involved and have

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Speaker 2: It's not terribly unusual. It doesn't happen a ton, But

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Speaker 2: I can tell you right now it's going to happen

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Speaker 2: more and more and more. You know, Dominic, when he

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Speaker 2: got a pointed to this position, he made it very

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Speaker 2: clear that if the local courts and a local prosecutor's office,

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Speaker 2: and they will do it. And he's showing exactly that,

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Speaker 2: And I'd venture to guess that you're going to see

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Speaker 2: The easiest way is to just take them federal and

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Speaker 2: and unfortunately we just don't have that in Hamilton County.

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Speaker 2: So thankfully we have some Feds that are willing to

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Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine, who I know you're familiar with, has

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Speaker 1: the inside scoop and skinny on a lot. She wrote

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Speaker 1: at length about the reality of these two men, their

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Speaker 1: records in glorious detail. These are not great guys at all.

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Speaker 1: Of course, both of them were prohibited from carrying and

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Speaker 1: owning a firearm and have tab purval had. Today it

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Speaker 1: was made aware that bond has been issued for one

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Speaker 1: mass casualty shooting. Here's the sailing part. The decision to

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Speaker 1: allow for the release of the accused is problematic and

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Speaker 1: extremely concerning, and I stand in opposition. This is a

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Speaker 1: community safety issue. The accused after such a horrific event

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Speaker 1: involving so many victims, should not be on the streets

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Speaker 1: during the court process. Fine, that sounds like something you

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Speaker 1: or I might say. But according to Signal ninety nine,

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Speaker 1: before he became mayor, while serving as the Hamilton County

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Speaker 1: Clerk of Courts, he had a meeting with Democratic judges

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Speaker 1: and had something to say to them, embrace the low

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Speaker 1: bail slash no bail and soft sentencing philosophy, or face

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Speaker 1: being primaried. Signal ninety nine said, at the time, one

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Speaker 1: judge stood up and said, hey, then primary me, because

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Speaker 1: no one's going to tell me how to run my courtrooms.

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Speaker 1: This is something that the mayor actually wanted, this soft

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Speaker 1: on crime, low bond, no bond nonsense.

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Speaker 2: Ken, Well, we've seen it time after time. I've asked

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Speaker 2: the Mayor myself, you know, every time something like this happens,

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Speaker 2: when are you going to come out and speak about

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Speaker 2: these judges that are endangering Hamilton County? Until yesterday, he's

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Speaker 2: just refused to do it. So I don't know. Maybe

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Speaker 2: maybe there's a change of heart. I doubt it, but

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Speaker 2: we'll see. It. Certainly was a step in the right

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Speaker 2: direction to see the mayor of the city actually come

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Speaker 2: out and say something. Whether it was it was you know,

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Speaker 2: nice to actually see a city leader come out and

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Speaker 2: recognize that the court system is the problem. Situation.

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Speaker 1: Well, it clearly is, and the question is whether the

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Speaker 1: gonna have to get Iris Rowley's consent to actually move

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Speaker 2: Ken, Yeah, I don't know. Maybe maybe he got it already.

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Speaker 2: I don't know's I'm sure that was a closed door meeting,

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Speaker 1: Executive session perhaps so well. Glad to see the FEDS

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Speaker 1: over the battle the Hamlet County Prosecutor's office. But we'll

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Speaker 1: wait to see on that. Ken Coober, do you have

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Speaker 1: any new information about Police Chief Thiji? This this is

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Speaker 1: truly bizarre, the whole idea behind Police Chief Thiji being

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Speaker 1: placed on administrative leave. And you know, my listeners can

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Speaker 1: say what they want about Thiji, but at the time

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Speaker 1: on administrative leave. They didn't point specific, you know, a

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Speaker 1: probably gonna be a lawsuit on that one, so they

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Speaker 1: hired a law firm to investigate it, I guess retroactively,

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Speaker 1: so we penal and then we hire a law firm

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Speaker 1: to find something to hang our hat on to justify that.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's how I understand the scenario right now.

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Speaker 1: And they extended that law firm's investigation now twice because

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Speaker 1: I guess they couldn't find anything. Do you know anything

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Speaker 1: do I have it? Is my understanding of the facts

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Speaker 1: on that, correct sir, No, you're right, and.

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Speaker 2: They keep on extending it because there's nothing there. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you look at this woman's impeccable service record, and there's

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Speaker 2: nothing there. You know. The one thing that just stands

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Speaker 2: out is the last press conference she did before she

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Speaker 2: was put on administrative leave, and like the last couple

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Speaker 2: sentences where she talked about how cops are going to

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Speaker 2: go out, They're going to go and enforce low level

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Speaker 2: nuisance crimes, quality of life crimes, because we've got to

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Speaker 2: two days later, she's being told to come home from

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Speaker 2: And like I said, this whole last but four or

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Speaker 2: five months. You know, they've been investigating and we're going

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Speaker 2: to extend this further. We're gonna it could because there's

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Speaker 2: absolutely nothing there. And I think city council and the

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Speaker 2: mayor and city manager all scratching their head, going, well,

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Speaker 2: we hired these people, there's nothing here. If we fire

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Speaker 2: or she's gonna sue us and we're gonna risk millions

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Speaker 2: we do? Well, you know, we're just gonna punt. We'll

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Speaker 2: just keep on kicking this can down the road. You know,

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Speaker 2: the longer it goes on, maybe the public will forget

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Speaker 2: forget about it, nor is the Fraternal Order of Police

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Speaker 2: Ken Coober.

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Speaker 1: We made national headlines with this incident. I guess Mayor

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Speaker 1: Feldy had to stand up and say something, recognized that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's that's the reality of this is it's

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Speaker 2: just nonsense. And it's not going to go It's not

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Speaker 2: gonna bode well for the city. However, this comes to

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know, it's interesting the mayor now has

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Speaker 1: apparently come around to Police Chiefdiji's this pronouncement on bond hearing,

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Speaker 1: camera nighter with The Enquirer's reporting that she had called

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Speaker 1: a sense she did call the justice systems of revolving

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Speaker 1: problem with the administration of justice, the low bonds and

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Speaker 1: maybe the actions of prosecutors, you know, offering plea deals

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Speaker 1: for pretty horrific crimes in order to not have to

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Speaker 1: try cases. That's a problem too, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a problem for years, you know, and

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Speaker 2: it just keeps on building up and building up, and

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Speaker 2: then now, you know, you have a mass shooting and

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Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, everybody wants to act like

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Speaker 2: they're appalled, like, oh my gosh, how do we get here.

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Speaker 2: We know exactly how we got here. This county got

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Speaker 2: here by electing these judges that are sold on bail,

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Speaker 2: soft on crime, and we continue to see it to happen.

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Speaker 2: Watch this next election cycle that you're likely going to

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Speaker 2: see more of the same until these voters decide that

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Speaker 2: they're sick of it and they're going to actually start

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Speaker 2: voting and being you know, knowledgeable about who these candidates

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Speaker 2: are and knowing the ones that stand for law and

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Speaker 2: could put hit me on your show every week, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to continue to talk about this nonsense.

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Speaker 1: Listen, that's fine with me. I'm going to get the

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Speaker 1: word out. And as I stare at the election map

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Speaker 1: from last November, in all of those areas, the vast

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Speaker 1: majority of downtown Cincinnati the city limits voted eighty five

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Speaker 1: to one hundred percent for a have to have Purvall

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Speaker 1: and the current council members, which of course meant they

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Speaker 1: voted also for Cheryl Long to remain in place, and

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Speaker 1: the presence of IRIS rolling under contract that was known

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Speaker 1: to the people before the vote. So I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe people don't care. And to that end, Kenkober, when

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Speaker 1: you talk to your officers who are actually out on

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Speaker 1: get the sense from the community members people that you're

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Speaker 1: protecting and serving, that they like you being there, that

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Speaker 1: you're not an evil force to be reckoned with, that

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Speaker 1: you they want you there to help try to eliminate

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Speaker 1: or or at least prevent crime in their neighborhoods. Or

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Speaker 1: is this philosophy that police are bad well kind of

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Speaker 1: a problem generally speaking, that you confront that component every day.

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Speaker 2: Now, the good people of this city are tired of

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Speaker 2: this nonsense.

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Speaker 1: I would figure the question becomes.

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Speaker 2: What are they going to do to become informed voters?

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Speaker 2: Because that's ultimately what has to happen. I mean, you look,

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Speaker 2: I looked at some of these social media posts about this,

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Speaker 2: and the people of this city that are absolutely appalled

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Speaker 2: that a bond was even issued. I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: something where normally, you know, normally it's a kind of

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Speaker 2: fifty to fifty, you know, whatever, you know, but I

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Speaker 2: mean this case, it's like ninety nine percent of the

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Speaker 2: people are appalled that they would allow somebody a judge

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Speaker 2: would allow somebody that comes into a busy nightclub with

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Speaker 2: they said five hundred, six hundred and seven hundred people

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Speaker 2: pull out a gun and start shooting, and that they

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Speaker 2: would actually get a bond. If that is not a

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Speaker 2: danger to society, I don't know what is. And if,

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Speaker 2: of course, we remember the law that was passed by

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Speaker 2: the voters of Ohio says that judges have to consider

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Speaker 2: public safety when issuing bonds, and that clearly wasn't done

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Speaker 2: in this case.

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Speaker 1: No question about it. It this, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: guess the reason that I don't have any idea, and

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Speaker 1: it's been the questions are swirling around the prosecutor who

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Speaker 1: didn't ask for no bond in this case as opposed

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Speaker 1: to just asking for high bond. Judges clearly have a

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Speaker 1: lot of discretion, but in this particular case, I think

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Speaker 1: she the judge, completely ignored the public. This guy has

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Speaker 1: a record. He was carrying a firearm when he was

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Speaker 1: not lawfully entitled to carry one. He started firing indiscriminately

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Speaker 1: into a crowd of people. If that doesn't represent a

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Speaker 1: threat to the community, what does ken No?

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Speaker 2: I agree, like I said, and you look at his record.

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Speaker 2: He just got out of prison right.

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Speaker 1: Before Christmas, a recidivus.

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Speaker 2: He couldn't even make it the springtime without picking up

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Speaker 2: a gun and trying to shoot somebody.

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Speaker 1: Ken Kober, FOP President on behalf of my entire listening

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Speaker 1: audience and the fifty five care Say Morning Show and

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Speaker 1: me personally, I appreciate each and every each and every

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Speaker 1: one of the insane police officers may disagree on some levels,

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Speaker 1: but we thank you for your commitment to the community,

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Speaker 1: willingness to go out into this environment and protect and

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Speaker 1: serve in spite of the reality that you're dealing with

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Speaker 1: a revolving door. And you know, maybe Police Chief Jiji

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Speaker 1: was right. She told the truth that it is a

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Speaker 1: revolving door and the police aren't gonna bother with serious

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Speaker 1: crimes because they don't feel it's worth their while. And

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Speaker 1: for that you get kicked out. Crazy. Ken, keep up

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Speaker 1: the great work. You always have a spot here on

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Speaker 1: the fifty five Carsee Morning Show. Thanks for having me, Brian,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it anytime. Brother eight nineteen right now in

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Speaker 1: fifty five cars the talk station. Jason Louise got a

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Speaker 1: moment or two. Maybe take a call before we get

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Speaker 1: to judge in on Apolitano