1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:03,199 Speaker 1: Right next. 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 2: Yes, he is brought to you by Schneiderdown. See what 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 2: big thinking with a personal focus can do for you. 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: From the NFL and CBS HiT's Gene Gene. They're revealing 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: machine Gino. Good morning, buddy. 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: How are you. I'm doing well, buddy, how are you doing? 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: I'm doing great. 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I was getting mad on your behalf 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 3: this weekend. I was like, I was ready to jump 10 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 3: through my computer screen start battling some bots on behalf 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 3: of Gene. I was pissed because people were coming at 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 3: you as if you had something to do with it. 13 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 3: Yet you know, so the game the Denver Buffalo one 14 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 3: is where we'll start. And to me, you know, well, 15 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 3: first of all, I hated the fact that all these 16 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 3: idiots are like all Gene ever does is agree with 17 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 3: what the refs call that is empirically untrue, Like we 18 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,319 Speaker 3: know you don't do that, and you constantly say they 19 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: got it wrong on this show. In following up, and 20 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 3: it was interesting to me because that Brandon Cook, the 21 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 3: non catch slash interception that turned the game around in 22 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 3: cost Buffalo of the game, it did remind me of 23 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: the Aaron Rodgers batted ball in December in Baltimore, in 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: which he caught his own pass and was on the 25 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 3: ground and had it ripped from him. And that's when 26 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 3: we had the whole tie goes to the offense discussion. 27 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what. 28 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 4: It was really not a really it was an uneventful weekend. 29 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 4: I think they're kind of quiet, and then next thing. 30 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: You know, everything's blowing up. I was wondering what's going on. 31 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 4: But in all seriousness, you know what, I looking back 32 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 4: on the Rogers play and I'll tell you that, Look, 33 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 4: when we start working in this business and now. 34 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: We frame by frame this world. 35 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 4: There are these unbelievably unique plays that slowing down a 36 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 4: video to still frame or frame by frame can distort. 37 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 4: What I kind of think is, look, go back and 38 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 4: run the play in real speed, look at the play, 39 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 4: ask one hundred people in the bar, and usually comes 40 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 4: out that way, you know what I mean. But when 41 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 4: we frame by frame, it does get into the Zapruder film, 42 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 4: and you know, we're frame by frame in life. The 43 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 4: Rogers play was a little different than the Cook's play 44 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 4: for me personally, because it's the first time I've ever 45 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 4: seen that play with Rogers, because he was actually on 46 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 4: both knees when he caught that tip, right, you know 47 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 4: what I mean? So in my world, I'm thinking, my god, first, 48 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 4: you think I've never seen anything like this. I've got 49 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 4: about eight seconds here to try to put this into 50 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 4: some layman terms, to try to explain what I'm thinking 51 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 4: that I see or or based on what I think 52 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 4: the rules should be applied by, and you know, you 53 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 4: go from there. That's why I thought the Rogers play 54 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 4: was a little different in hindsight. In the league did 55 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 4: come out immediately and defended that play, but quite frankly, 56 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 4: a couple days later, after having our zooms and long 57 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 4: discussions about it, they felt like they got. 58 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: That play wrong. 59 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 4: Right, Okay, So the Rogers play kind of ended up 60 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 4: as a wrong play, although and I was incorrect when 61 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 4: I said it on Eric. You know, I thought, because 62 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 4: both knees were down and he possessed the football already, 63 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 4: like where do we need all the rest of the 64 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 4: football move gibberish at that point, And that was incorrect 65 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 4: by me on Era. 66 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it happens, you. 67 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 3: Know, But we collected it a couple of days later 68 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: here on the show, we talked about. 69 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: It exactly Rand exactly you know. 70 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 4: But hey, listen, it's that day and age and now 71 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 4: because I correctly, I'm telling you, like the interception play 72 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 4: to me, wasn't really really that complicated, quite honest, greed. 73 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 4: I mean, it's slow motion and you go into all 74 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 4: of that so naturally. Then in the Hatred and like 75 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 4: anything else in the last three weeks, just fire all 76 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 4: the analysts now, I mean, you've only fired twelve coaches 77 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 4: out of thirty two in the NFL. 78 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: Let's just fire all the analysts. 79 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 4: Everybody's getting fired, you know what I mean, Like mistake, 80 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 4: no bad decision, Fire and fire everybody. So, uh, but 81 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 4: I didn't think the Cooks play was a hard play. 82 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 4: I mean, it's just me being honest, and uh, you know, 83 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 4: it was a pretty easy survived the ground play. 84 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: No, he's not down when he's falling. 85 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 4: Davante Adams play that happened the next night was a 86 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 4: different flavored play then the Cooks Play, although real close 87 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 4: in that frame by frame similarity too, So there were 88 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 4: a lot of layers to different types of what is 89 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 4: and what is in the catch and look I bust 90 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 4: my ass trying to figure out how to explain this 91 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 4: to the general public and still deal with the detailed 92 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 4: nuance of how some of these frame by frame less 93 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 4: than a half second place happen, and then try to 94 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 4: make it, you know, palatable, right or digestible, I should say, 95 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 4: you know. So it's a challenge for me though pun 96 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 4: intended where you. 97 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: Want to go out? 98 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 4: This is what I say, what talks about social media? 99 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 4: Quite frankly right now? Right, so, yesterday you're getting. 100 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: A hundred phone calls. 101 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 4: The answering machine at the office was filled with some 102 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 4: of the top ten moments and you know, leave a 103 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 4: message of stereotaur Sanitario on how much we with these 104 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 4: follow accented people? 105 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, you know what I mean. 106 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 4: My lovely wife Lisa, families from Toronto, and all of 107 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 4: a sudden I got. 108 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: To meet cousin Frankie that I never met yet. We've 109 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: been together twenty years. 110 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 4: But hey, Frankie wants to come down from Toronto and 111 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 4: you know, see the house or something. 112 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm a little nervous about it. 113 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be nervous about that. 114 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, not related to any call. Does the leg 115 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 5: have a problem with It's just too damn complicated to 116 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 5: tell if a guy caught a ball or not or 117 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 5: is this part of the price of doing business and 118 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 5: it's an exciting product and it's popular and it's making money, 119 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 5: and forward we go. 120 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 4: Mikey had a real, real philosophical sense. It's a talk 121 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 4: of how that's a league throughout the year personally, and 122 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 4: some concerns that I think, you know, we're in this 123 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 4: world where technology is increasing exponentially in so many areas, 124 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 4: and it's. 125 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: Doing the same thing with some of this stuff. 126 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 4: I think we're micromanaging some things. Just because we have 127 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 4: a new, shiny object, does it mean we have to 128 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 4: overuse it? 129 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: Right? 130 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 4: Like, just because we can do all of these things now, 131 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 4: does it mean that it has to be good for 132 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 4: the game. You've got to be able to take all 133 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 4: of this new stuff. And it's great stuff, and there's 134 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 4: some things that are really cool about it, and I 135 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 4: think it's going to make the game better. But I 136 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 4: think we have to be careful and I think we 137 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 4: have to slow down. And I also think that we 138 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 4: have to come up with and again personal opinion, I 139 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 4: think we have to come up with a reducing of 140 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 4: regular time element when we review plays, and I think 141 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 4: we have to use that on plays that have levels 142 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 4: of subjectivity which there's just a small handful of those 143 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 4: plays that we're reviewing, and it's continuously coming back to 144 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 4: those plays. There's a subjective element of time in a 145 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 4: catch and not a catch. That's the reality of it. 146 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 4: There always has been. Now that we're framed by framing 147 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 4: things and distorting the element of time, it's counterproductive to 148 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:50,559 Speaker 4: the game. 149 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: And that's my feeling on it. I mean, that's just. 150 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 4: The way I see it, and I think we have 151 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 4: to get there so many different reasons. You can't frame 152 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 4: by frame rule on these type and have officials in 153 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 4: human beings making judgments for the next three hours in 154 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 4: real time and realizing that what their eyes are telling 155 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 4: them frame by frame replay is overturning him. 156 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: It's also another piece of this. So I think there's got. 157 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 4: To be something that you've got to take a look 158 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 4: at all of this and its totality and say where 159 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 4: do we go to use all of this but still 160 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 4: have it blend in with what we just saw five 161 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 4: seconds before in real time and make me feel okay, 162 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 4: like you people aren't telling me something's there that doesn't exist. 163 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 4: Because this one still shot shows. 164 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 1: His knee down with looks like he has the ball. 165 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: That's insanity. 166 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know we're trying to navigate it, right, 167 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 4: I mean, that's this There's a lot of challenging stuff 168 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 4: with this and and I think this is it came 169 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 4: to a culmination as it normally does. 170 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: When you agree that, Jeane. 171 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: The real problem that exacerbated things was the fact that 172 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: they moved so quickly on that which to you that 173 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: was a bang bang play and it wasn't a lot 174 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: of controversy given the magnitude of that moment. McDermott even 175 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: has to call a time out because he's like, wait 176 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: a minute, what the what are you talking about? Shouldn't 177 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: that like, you know, the problem the league has is 178 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 3: there's an issue with trust between the fan base and 179 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 3: the league, and there's somebody making those calls. There needs 180 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 3: to be a little more transparency with this, well was 181 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: it the buttermilk guy? Whoever the hell's up in the 182 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 3: golden throne ruling? There needs to be some transparency, and 183 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 3: they need to be able to also have the authority 184 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,599 Speaker 3: to call down and say stop the game and explain 185 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 3: what you just called, because maybe in the thick of things, 186 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 3: you're not realizing the magnitude of that call and the 187 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: ramifications of it. The audience needs to understand this for 188 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: the public trust to continue with the game, because we've 189 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 3: sat through a ten minute replay in the second quarter 190 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,239 Speaker 3: of a game between two losing record teams in October, 191 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: but the most consequential play of the postseason for two 192 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 3: teams that resulted in one of them getting their coach 193 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: fired because of it was a bang bang play turnover, 194 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 3: It's Denver ball, and then they just move right. 195 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: On with it. 196 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: One thousand percent, Randy. 197 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 4: I mean that is a talk I've had in the 198 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 4: last forty eight hours presenting not spinning it, not pay 199 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 4: you know, like you just said, not leaving yourself open 200 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 4: to what feels like a conspiracy type of a field. 201 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 4: As a referee in the NFL, you also have to 202 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 4: embrace the fact that you are this figurehead that should 203 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 4: be the most trusted person when it comes to making 204 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 4: these rulings in a love of football game. You're that 205 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 4: face Carl Sheffer's by name was that face in that 206 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 4: game when this play happens. I want him looking at 207 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 4: that play. I would have demanded in the hindsights, no 208 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 4: slow on, chef, because I know there's two or three 209 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 4: voices in his ear now as opposed to one I refereed, 210 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 4: and it was a replay official telling me to stop 211 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 4: the game, which meant we're going to the iPad or 212 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 4: under the hood, but from a production from the referee standpoint, 213 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 4: and that play, as you just perfectly laid out, with 214 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 4: the magnitude of that play, everybody involved in this game, 215 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 4: including anyone in the Ivory Tower, it doesn't matter. You 216 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 4: all need to have enough football documen to understand that. Look, 217 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 4: I don't care if this takes two and a half minutes. 218 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 4: We are going through this process, and quite frankly, I 219 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 4: want my referee weighing in on it, okay, I want 220 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 4: him looking at the iPad and collaborating with. 221 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: The two or three other support people that. 222 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 4: Are looking at this play and having his own opinion 223 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 4: on it as well. 224 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: I did it in Super Bowl fifty two with Zach 225 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: Ertz with a touchdown no touchdown. 226 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 4: I'm looking at this play and we're going to rewind it. 227 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 4: And quite frankly, there was a discussion that took place 228 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 4: in the beginning of that play that maybe from a 229 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: different area and in my ear, was looking at the 230 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 4: play quite differently than I was so collaboration there is important, 231 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 4: and I don't think as an official, especially as a referee, 232 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 4: you ever give that authority and that that position you 233 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 4: hold to someone else where. Now you're just waiting for 234 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 4: a direction to go ahead and tell them what they're 235 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 4: telling you to do, because the optics of that is 236 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 4: wait a minute, like who's running this game? You or 237 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 4: these people? We've never heard ever seen. So I do 238 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 4: think that the way that it was handled, and it 239 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 4: made it difficult for me because. 240 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: We were moving on. 241 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 4: You know, it seems like you get thrown a play 242 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 4: like that. In my position, you are really waiting for 243 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 4: three or four replays. Now I've got to digest some 244 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 4: stuff here to be able to at least try to 245 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 4: explain this coherently to fifty million people here within ten seconds, 246 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 4: and this thing was just getting thrown at me. It 247 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 4: was like, GINO, give us an answer here, because it 248 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 4: looks like they're about this out the football again and 249 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 4: we'll come back up. 250 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: To the first player the next year. Is we still? 251 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: You know? So there was a lot there, Yeah, yea. 252 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: If McDermott didn't call that time out, there would have 253 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 3: been no time for discussion. 254 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: That's one hundred percent correct, and Coach McDermott. 255 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 4: Understood the rules there because we were in overtime and 256 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 4: all reviews are going upstairs in the NFL is looking 257 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 4: at it like, hey, we invested millions of dollars to 258 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 4: have all these people weighing in. We're tired of slowing 259 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 4: the game down, which you all bitched about for the 260 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 4: last two years, that replay slowing the game down. So 261 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 4: we took the other step to try to expedite something, 262 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 4: but not on display, not in this space, right, Like, 263 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 4: you've got to be able to feel, as you just said, 264 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 4: that's part of. 265 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: Being a football official. 266 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 4: Player and everybody else that's involved in a television producer, 267 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 4: there comes those moments when the delay, quite frankly, is necessary, right, 268 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it is, And. 269 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: I would think to take a way in on that. 270 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, as much as they weigh in on a call, 271 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: just like, hey, he host it down here, we need to, 272 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 3: you know, like gett in his ear and tell them that. 273 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 3: So have those discussions started with the end like they 274 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: realize that's the issue that needs to be broached. Not 275 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 3: like I don't know how much clearer you get with 276 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: the language. Uh, you know, once we've determined this is 277 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 3: what's going to be a catch. I don't know how 278 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 3: you explain it to people any better than what it's 279 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 3: how it's written out right now. You know, we're not 280 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 3: a country that does nuance very well, as you know. 281 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: But but it. 282 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 3: Seems to me that the eye test that you talked about, 283 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: the people in the bar, that's the usually it's I 284 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 3: think fail safe. However, I think if you put that 285 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: play in a bar, that would be fifty. 286 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: Like. 287 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: There are a lot of people who see that and 288 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 3: think that's Buffalo's ball. 289 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 4: Yep, yep, yep, and that's and that's reality, like listen. 290 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: But that's why the rule exists to. 291 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: To that's right. 292 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 4: Quite honestly, Look, I really felt, you know, my son 293 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 4: and our hands, my social we really were you know, 294 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 4: had a long talk yesterday about really putting together the 295 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 4: DeVante Adams play on the screenshot the Cooks play, and 296 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 4: then trying to verbalize this or capture it in a 297 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 4: way that at least people can start digesting it. I 298 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 4: get tired on Sundays now of repeating the three elements 299 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 4: of a catch, because your assumption is, look, people are 300 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 4: sick of hearing me every time, let's go to gene. Hey, guys, Yeah, 301 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 4: there's possession, there's the second foot, and now we're looking 302 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 4: for the football mover the time elements, so you don't 303 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 4: want to be redundant always, but when you get to 304 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 4: some of these there is this bridge. Now, I'm quite 305 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 4: frankly with this social bitriol, it may be counterproductive to 306 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 4: put out what I would think would be a good 307 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 4: social media tweet, because it does have some educational pieces 308 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 4: to this, like, look, are you all tired of bitching now? 309 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 4: And now do you want to at least hear what 310 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 4: they're doing or you know, to try to digest because 311 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 4: I think if we cross that bridge, then the game 312 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 4: and replay and rules analysts and all of these other things, 313 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 4: it elevates then people's likeness of the game because now 314 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 4: I can talk to the other people in the living 315 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 4: room with me about these nuances because I'm a two 316 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 4: hundred level fan and now I do get it. So 317 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 4: you know, that's kind of the piece of the position 318 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 4: I have now where again, once if I put something 319 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 4: out right now, my gosh, it just explodes again, right, 320 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 4: you become to know whatever you are so and then, 321 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 4: quite frankly, though, I live thirty years of my life 322 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 4: with fifty percent of the world hate me at the time. 323 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: I made my decision, So it's. 324 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 4: A rather liberating feeling. And eventually I think I'll get 325 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 4: around to doing it. But I do think it's an 326 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 4: education piece now, and I think Burrow kind of said 327 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 4: that a little bit right in his coming out. 328 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: Of these I mean, what a shock that was. 329 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow comes out of social media hibernation to tell 330 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 3: everyone to shut up. 331 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 4: It's weird because you know, naturally when these plays happen 332 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 4: with my role and I'm fortunate to have it, but 333 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 4: then the phone. 334 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: Will just blow up. 335 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 4: I may be watching to see how much gold Parker 336 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 4: Schnabel got in Alaska and not a football game, but 337 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 4: if a play pops up, the phone starts to explode, like, hey, 338 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 4: can you tell me what just happened there? 339 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: Right? 340 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 4: And I will tell you. Like the football people, higher 341 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 4: level football people that I have the luxury of being 342 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 4: involved with almost eighty to twenty said immediately, that's an interception, Jean, 343 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like, what's the thing. But 344 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 4: then there's that other piece to it, and I get 345 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 4: it because we slow this down so much there's a 346 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 4: still shot that just shows this situation that looks so clear, 347 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 4: and how can these striped idiots miss this? Because look, 348 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 4: here's the shot. There's all of those things kind of 349 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 4: wrapped into one right now. But I do think the 350 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 4: league has to continue, as we always know, anytime we 351 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 4: start changing things, there will be this play and the 352 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 4: consequence of adding another element to the game that's new. 353 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: And now how do we manage that? 354 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 4: And it usually does take situations like these to create 355 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 4: that next level discussion now on how And then quite honestly, 356 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 4: it's officials in some ways. 357 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: They have to realize the magnitude of that play. 358 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 4: And if someone's telling them, yeah, we've looked at this 359 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 4: and we're confirming, and I think you press the button 360 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 4: on your waist if you're that referee, and say, I 361 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 4: know you have, but we're going to look at the play. 362 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 4: Let's stop the game and let's go through the formal review. 363 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 4: I'd like to see the play. Carl Sheffers never saw 364 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 4: that play that he had to announce. He was watching 365 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 4: the quarterback, you know, and now all of a sudden 366 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 4: you have a play where you get down there in 367 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 4: your back. Judge who has been in the league almost 368 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 4: twenty seven years, and it's a great back judge didn't 369 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 4: even hesitate. It's an interception, but I'll guarantee you. When 370 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 4: Sheffer's got to that Scott helperson and said, what do 371 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 4: you got, Helvy, he said, dude, I got an interception. 372 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: But it's tight as hell. You know this is tight. 373 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 4: And now you start hearing people in your ear, this 374 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 4: is tight. I got a twenty five year veteran telling 375 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 4: me it's a pick, but it's close. 376 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: It's close. 377 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 4: I'm pressing the button back and going to stop the game. 378 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 4: I need to look at it with you, look at 379 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 4: the play right at its hindsight and again I'm not 380 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 4: throwing shade anywhere, but it's a hindsight situation that happened. 381 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 4: Now and now we work on mechanics on how do 382 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 4: we handle these scenarios when they pop up once every 383 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 4: two years or whatever the case may be, and we 384 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 4: do it this way. That's that's my take on that 385 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 4: part of it. 386 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 3: Well, can't we better help these referees by employing them 387 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 3: full time and putting them through referee boot camp all 388 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: year long like they're in the like the Zebra military, 389 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 3: you know, So that They're constantly beginning getting scenarios thrown 390 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: at them year round, and they get like it's becomes 391 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 3: rope to be able to tell them. 392 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I think you're going to create like a 393 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 4: you know, one of these games, a reality show game here, 394 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 4: you know, have a Jeopardy five officials to get in 395 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 4: the NFL, they go. 396 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: Through a rules jeopardy portion. 397 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, put them on the sideline, six people screaming at 398 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 4: them while they work in bounds, out of bounds, catches 399 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 4: and deal with all of that. 400 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, but score when they're right, you know, get some 401 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 3: prices right, music in there that was incomplete? 402 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was right? 403 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: Exactly. 404 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: This much money is on the line right now, Geene, 405 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 3: it seems like completely inconsistent of the league wouldn't want 406 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 3: to invest so much in making sure that they have 407 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 3: the best officiating situation possible so that the public continues 408 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 3: to trust in the product. 409 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is not again, I'm not being overly 410 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 4: critical of the one hundred and twenty plus people that 411 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 4: are in the National Football League. The evolution of an 412 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 4: official I hear all the time. Why do they have 413 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 4: the old people out there? Why don't they just get some. 414 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: Young blood in there that knows the game. 415 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 4: I'm here to tell you I started roughing when I 416 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 4: was twenty one years young. I worked six years of 417 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 4: high school football and started working small college football when 418 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 4: I was twenty seven. I worked Division two and three 419 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 4: football at the IUPS and all of our beautiful schools 420 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 4: around here until I was thirty two. 421 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: Got to the IV. 422 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 4: Patriot League, the Colonial Conference for two years, got in 423 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 4: the Big East for five years, and then was fortunate 424 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 4: enough at a young age in my opinion, at thirty 425 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 4: one or forty, of having the NFL then start looking 426 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 4: at me, after checking with my Big East supervisor, who's 427 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 4: the best talent you have down here? 428 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: We're the top five people. 429 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 4: These are my top five great We're going to take 430 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 4: them to Europe for three years and they're going to 431 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 4: work with two NFL officials and five college PRIs prospects. 432 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 4: And now we're going to see who not only can 433 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 4: work these next athletes, but who also is engaged in 434 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 4: the rule stuff we do for the next six days, 435 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 4: how much what kind of people are they can do? 436 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 4: They have enough of a foundation to make this gigantic 437 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 4: leap from the Rose Bowl to the Tennessee Cleveland Game. 438 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 4: Because when Cleveland plays the worst other team in the NFL, 439 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 4: it's a harder game than the National Championship was last night. 440 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 4: That's just me telling you the truth. So we've got 441 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 4: to go through that process. 442 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: You must draft, just. 443 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 4: Like a team, the best six, seven, eight officials in America, understanding, 444 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 4: just like the players, two of them may not be 445 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,479 Speaker 4: able to make this transition from major college football, just 446 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 4: like players to what goes on on Sunday. 447 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: Now, that's where the beginning of the end is. 448 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 4: And just because we have and I'm not again saying 449 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 4: that the officials aren't the best of the best. Touse 450 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 4: anybody that gets a phone call that says welcome to 451 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 4: the NFL, they're not going to say thanks so much, 452 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 4: but can I just have three more years in the 453 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: Big ten before I go? No, you're going And the 454 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 4: answer isn't that. If that is what's happening, or we're 455 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 4: not as good as we need to be, that we're 456 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 4: going to start helping you more. From a sterile play 457 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 4: somewhere to tell you what you need to get right 458 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 4: in real time, we can help you fix that. Now 459 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,959 Speaker 4: you've created a safety net that doesn't push your body 460 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 4: and your brain and all your talents to work this 461 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 4: game without any assistance. 462 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: We didn't have replay assistance when I started in the NFL. 463 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 4: You run an island like a cornerback and cover zero, 464 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 4: you get burnt, you splatter. That's the game that fear 465 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 4: mechanism rises your level to be more aware. Sometimes I 466 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 4: worry that our new technology, our new help, is causing 467 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 4: officials to be like, hey, if I get the spot 468 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 4: wrong by you order so someone will beep and tell 469 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 4: me move the ball back. No, if you missed the 470 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 4: spot by the yard and a half, you need to. 471 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: Go back and work. It's also okay, there's a piece 472 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: of this. So there's a lot of those elements. 473 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 4: And again I'm not saying that the officials that are 474 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 4: there now were fast tracked or not, you know, not 475 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 4: prepared for this situation. 476 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: But there is a grooming that takes place. 477 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 4: So if you hire them full time, challenge with it 478 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 4: rand is you can work all the pre training camp 479 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 4: isolation plays that you want when there's one hundred and 480 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 4: fifty people standing around you, but you can't simulate sitting 481 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 4: in Denver Stadium when you can't hear your own voice. 482 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 4: If you scream in your hand in front of your 483 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 4: face and these people flying around at a. 484 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: Different speed today. 485 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 4: It's the best of the best, right I mean, so 486 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 4: you have to have, like anything else, an extremely strong 487 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 4: foundation before you get the opportunity and then this window 488 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 4: to be able to perform at this level or adjust 489 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 4: to this level. Because I worked in the Big East 490 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 4: with Michael Vick and when Miami had the researches with 491 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 4: that Hall of Fame football team, I thought I was 492 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 4: ready for the NFL, right, I mean I thought I 493 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 4: was prepped first year and a half, completely out of 494 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 4: my element. Man, Like, never saw Randy Moss push off 495 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 4: on the waist right at the top of the route 496 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 4: to create a half in space because the football was 497 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 4: right on his hand and defensive back screaming he pushed off, 498 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 4: And I'm like, dude, I never saw anybody do this, right, Like, 499 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 4: there's a piece ofness that you have to digest and 500 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 4: then get to that level. I mean, that's just working 501 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 4: on your craft. So I don't know that full time 502 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 4: is the answer answer. 503 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: I think you should take officials that might. 504 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 4: Be newer in the NFL and work them in the 505 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 4: USFL or some spring leagues now where they can get 506 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 4: more training and tute lesion live game action. But there's 507 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 4: a lot of pieces to all of that, right, But 508 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 4: I think it goes back to I've always said that 509 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 4: the NFL is officiating was My brother said this first, 510 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 4: and I'd credit him for it. The officiating department is 511 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 4: a thirty third team in the NFL. It runs just 512 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 4: like an NFL team, Right. You've got to draft the 513 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 4: best people, and within that draft, you have to see 514 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 4: who can be trained to be able to play or 515 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 4: make that fifty three man roster in the one hundred 516 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 4: and twenty one man roster women roster in the NFL. 517 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 4: And most make it if you've schooled them the right 518 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 4: way and they're there and they have the proper people 519 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 4: around them on the ground to be mentoring them on 520 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 4: the field as they learn this craft. But then there 521 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 4: are that percentage that Johnny Manziel, you were a hell 522 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 4: of a college football player, but you can't play at 523 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 4: this level, big guy, You know, you've got to go 524 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 4: find another league. That shouldn't be any different. It's no different. 525 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 4: It isn't any different. 526 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot of pieces to it, 527 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: you know, and well. 528 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: From from your lips to Goodell's Ears, Gino Exactly Gino, 529 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 3: brought to you by Schnider Downs this morning. Gene, thanks 530 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 3: for spending so much time on this. You know, I 531 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 3: know that was a rough weekend. I hope this weekend 532 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 3: it's just goes super smooth for you. 533 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 2: No issues, a. 534 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 3: Couple of blowouts with no calls that matter in any way, 535 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 3: shape or form. 536 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Rand, if we get through cousin Frankie 537 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 4: on Thursday night here at the house, everything's gonna be 538 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 4: down helpful there. 539 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: Boy, Well, let me tell you this. If he if 540 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 2: he walks into the house wearing Zuba's run. 541 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 4: He Gino would like to take a walk through the 542 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 4: property you show. 543 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: It's the well down over the hill. 544 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 4: We're really interested to that, Gee territory, said Gen. 545 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: Depastap to your fellow pop. 546 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 4: A great look.