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Speaker 2: our number three. It is a bowl preparation time for

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Speaker 2: the University of Cincinnati. We'll spend some time tomorrow talking

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Speaker 2: U see basketball as they gave a midweek game that

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Speaker 2: happens tomorrow night at Fifth Third Arena. But for right now,

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Speaker 2: let's spend a little time on the Liberty Bowl. Now,

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Speaker 2: for the Cincinnati Bearcats, they have been getting a constant,

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Speaker 2: I would say, a steady flow of players that are

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Speaker 2: opting out of the bowl game. I believe they just

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Speaker 2: had a corner opt out today. Yesterday Brendan Sooresby opted out.

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Speaker 2: The spread has gone from I think three and a

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Speaker 2: half at which had opened up, to already seven for

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Speaker 2: that January second Liberty Bowl against Navy. The big question

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Speaker 2: for the Cincinnati Bearcats is who's going to play quarterback

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Speaker 2: next year? Samage Jones will be on the roster. He's

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Speaker 2: been here. Folks are wondering, is it Samage Jones? Does

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Speaker 2: Scott Soudafield have to go into the portal? Who's gonna

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Speaker 2: play quarterback in the Bowl? I believe it'll be a

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Speaker 2: little mix of Brady Lichtenberg and Samage Jones in the

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Speaker 2: bowl game. But I am in the belief that the

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Speaker 2: Bearcats are gonna have to hit the portal to find

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Speaker 2: their quarterback for next year, which is never an easy

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Speaker 2: thing to do. Soresby is gone, he's hitting the portal.

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Speaker 2: He's also waiting for his NFL grades to come back.

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Speaker 2: There are things that would make you believe he could

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Speaker 2: be linked to Texas Tech. I know that's close to

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Speaker 2: his home. I know his girlfriend just committed there to

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Speaker 2: to Texas Tech. Regardless of where Swersby goes. They're not

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Speaker 2: gonna have him for the bowl game. They're not gonna

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Speaker 2: have him for next year. I think Bowl game preparations

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Speaker 2: become even harder at this point. I think roster construction

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Speaker 2: becomes even harder at this point. So with that in mind,

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Speaker 2: here is around nine ten minutes of what Scott Sadderfield

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Speaker 2: had to say in the open media portion following yesterday's

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Speaker 2: ball practice after the news of Brendan Soorsby had also

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Speaker 2: come out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we've been been ongoing talks with him,

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Speaker 3: you know, and over the last couple of weeks since

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Speaker 3: are doing that now, you know, and he just in

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Speaker 3: his mind, you know, he still doesn't know anyone to

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Speaker 3: do yet, whether he pursue the NFL, which he's gotten

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Speaker 3: a lot of great feedback still waiting for the you know,

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Speaker 3: from the NFL. Still waiting for that. But he's got

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Speaker 3: And then also, as we all know, he's had a

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Speaker 3: of the college football world that we're living in right now.

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Speaker 3: And you know, and he, you know, appreciate everything he's

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Speaker 3: I mean one touchdown shot on the school record for

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Speaker 4: Four obviously played at a high level this year.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise he would not be sought after like he is

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Speaker 4: An other college is.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, and I think this is the case

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, US coaches and US programs we

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Speaker 3: I appreciate everything that that Brendan and That's done for

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Speaker 5: Could you have accorded to him?

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Speaker 6: I mean, this is an eleven of the coaches are

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know what has been bad?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's programs out there that certainly can't afford

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Speaker 4: In the portal right now, you know, I think including

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Speaker 3: You know, I've seen several guys in our conference that

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Speaker 3: We've seen it in the SEC and you know, all over

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Speaker 3: I think when the dust settles and you start seeing

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Speaker 3: we're some of these top quarterbacks. If they play in

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Speaker 3: And because when when when quarterbacks play really well out

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Speaker 2: And you know, so.

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Speaker 3: Sea, Yeah, this is an opportunity in exists, an opportunity.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a completely unique offense that we're facing.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're outstanding, They do a great job with

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Speaker 3: I mean this is a so, yeah, we better tighten

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Speaker 4: Comes off the ball. They play hard.

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Speaker 4: They know what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: Our scheme, man, if you don't fit right, and it's

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Speaker 4: So yes, it's a completely.

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Speaker 3: Different challenge that we have this this game against Enablecaby.

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Speaker 4: They're outstanding what they do.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned obviously Brandon leaving in this chance to quarter windows.

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Speaker 4: There any other guys we should maybe expect to maybe

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Speaker 4: opt out of the ball game that wanting out here today. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I really don't know.

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Speaker 3: Until we line up to start playing, we'll figure out

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Speaker 3: who you're playing with. And that's the day and age

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Speaker 3: we're in right now. You know, I think things change

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Speaker 3: over time too, I think with guys. So you know,

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Speaker 3: we got some some of our guys that have been

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Speaker 3: You know, as soon as we get closer, we'll probably

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Speaker 3: have obviously a better idea on that are the.

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Speaker 6: Strategy We're not getting your quarterback as the field next year? Yeah,

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Speaker 6: obviously looking at that a similar kind of path for

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Speaker 6: playing two two years ago, when you're trying to identify

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Speaker 4: You know, in a in a Purp world, that'd be ideal.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think, you know, for us obviously, trying

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Speaker 4: And I thought Brendan g was a great opportunity, a

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Speaker 4: great chance to go win.

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Speaker 3: You know, I thought, again, we were one of the

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Speaker 3: very much, but we look at yards per play, rushing

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Speaker 3: So I mean we did a lot of great things offense.

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Speaker 3: We a lot of it ran through our quarterback, and

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Speaker 3: so you know, if we can go get a player

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Speaker 3: Heelp looked to you and Somas both will we'll get

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Speaker 3: play another game together. So yes, exciting time for those guys.

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Speaker 4: And particularly two quarterbacks.

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Speaker 6: I'm just sure talents staff have them forms obviously came

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Speaker 4: Show numbers to promote hips. Yep, doesn't look like.

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Speaker 6: In terms of high line, the fielding, the spots.

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Speaker 4: With the transfer over there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, happy for those guys. They

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Speaker 3: they did a great job for us for the three

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Speaker 3: you know they deserve a move up. Great opportunity for them,

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Speaker 3: and and so wish them nothing.

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Speaker 4: But the best. But we're already in the process of

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Speaker 3: Guys in here, and we all know it's got to

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Speaker 3: and so uh, we'll have some guys in place here

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Speaker 3: Nagate navigate this transfer.

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Speaker 4: For joys out here.

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Speaker 7: Is that a good team?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, the guys are out here

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Speaker 3: whoever's out here, they're gonna be playing and be around

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Speaker 3: and so again, you know, we'll take it day by

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Speaker 4: As I mentioned earlier, some.

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Speaker 6: Still together, yes and set.

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Speaker 2: What gives you confidence right now that going into next

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Speaker 9: I don't have any confidence. I have no reason to

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Speaker 9: But your question is the question that will determine the

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Speaker 9: future of this franchise, because I've said it and I

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Speaker 9: believe it. If they screw this thing up with Burrow,

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Speaker 9: they will do irreparable damage to their franchise. They've done

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Speaker 9: it before, and if they do it again, it would

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Speaker 9: be bad, just really really bad. And the problem again

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Speaker 9: has not been a lack of effort, it's been a

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Speaker 9: lack of execution. So ultimately it's like, okay, so what

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Speaker 9: do you change. I think you could say this offseason

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Speaker 9: there was a bit of a lack of effort, effort

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Speaker 9: and maybe not being as aggressive, and unfortunately, an excuse

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Speaker 9: is going to be used of getting the deals done

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Speaker 9: with t and Jamar and Trey that led to them

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Speaker 9: not being ready to go by the time free agency

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Speaker 9: rolled around. I think it's lame excuse. I think it's

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Speaker 9: a stupid excuse and I don't tolerate it, but I

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Speaker 9: do think that's going to be the excuse. Yeah, the

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Speaker 9: question you ask is how we're going to have to

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Speaker 9: approach this offseason. What are they going to be doing differently?

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Speaker 9: If it's the same, it would be yeah, and it will.

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Speaker 9: And these would be great questions for Duke Tobin if

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Speaker 9: he ever had the guts to talk to us, but

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Speaker 9: he doesn't, and you know, we'll hear from him at

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Speaker 9: the combine and I'm sure he'll say, you know, Joe

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Speaker 9: was hurt last year, and without that, then you know,

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Speaker 9: if Joe wasn't hurt. We probably feel we feel pretty

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Speaker 9: good about where we were at and it win in

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Speaker 9: some of those games, and we really developed at the

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Speaker 9: back end of the defense. Blah blah, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 9: That's It's gonna be the same thing until you prove otherwise.

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Speaker 9: This is your reputation. Yeah, And I would love to

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Speaker 9: know what their plan is and fixing it, you and.

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Speaker 2: Me both, because I think there's a lot of people

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Speaker 2: inside the organization, inside this team watching what transpires. And again,

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Speaker 2: I go back to what most said yesterday. You know,

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Speaker 2: if next year at this time this team's ten and four,

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Speaker 2: this isn't a question. If next year at this time

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Speaker 2: this team's four and six, or you know, four and

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Speaker 2: ten again, seven and seven. I mean that there are

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Speaker 2: going to be more questions. Winning will change all of that.

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Speaker 2: But how do you get to the winning on a

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Speaker 2: year in which the AFC and the AFC North was

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Speaker 2: wide open and you're going to miss out completely. Let's

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Speaker 2: take a break. Plenty more still to go. Since E

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Speaker 2: three to sixty thanks to Penn Station on ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Tien Welcome back. Since E three sixty thanks

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Speaker 2: to Penn Station two day Tuesdays at Penn Station. Go

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Speaker 2: buy any sub, get a free small sub every Tuesday

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Speaker 2: following a Bengals game winner loss. Go check him out

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Speaker 2: at your local Penn Station if you missed it earlier.

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Speaker 2: This afternoon, four members have been announced into the Reds

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame class of twenty twenty six. Lou Panella,

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Speaker 2: Sweet Lou, Reggie Sanders, Aaron Harang and bad dudevp Brandon Phillips.

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Speaker 2: Your twenty twenty six Reds Hall of Fame class missed

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Speaker 2: the news yesterday? Brendan Sorsby has hit the transfer portal.

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Speaker 2: He is gone, also a waiting word from the NFL,

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Speaker 2: And according to Zach Taylor yesterday, Joe Burrow will play

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Speaker 2: in the Reds final three games this season. Austin, there

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Speaker 2: are four remaining free agent hitters that are viewed as

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Speaker 2: the top four free agent hitters, Boba Schett, Alex Bregman,

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Speaker 2: Cody Bell, and Kyle Tucker. How many of those four,

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Speaker 2: not just one? How many of those four do you

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Speaker 2: think end up with the Reds?

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Speaker 8: Zero?

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you foresee the Reds doing anything to make

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Speaker 2: any type of splash offensively?

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Speaker 8: Yes?

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Speaker 9: No, all right, so just run it back yes, I

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Speaker 9: said that in November. It's December now I feel the

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Speaker 9: same way. Anything they could do to change that, what

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Speaker 9: outside of I mean, I I could sign all those guys.

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Speaker 9: I just can't go back through another see off season

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Speaker 9: of just the bargain free agent signings. That's what they're

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Speaker 9: gonna do, man.

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Speaker 2: I feel like we're going to be there.

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Speaker 7: Yep. Now.

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Speaker 9: The craziest thing I guess would be trading Brady Singer.

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Speaker 9: That would open up I think eleven million dollars, which

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Speaker 9: if you add that on to the five to ten

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Speaker 9: that they have, let's call it even that's uh, call

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Speaker 9: it meet in the middle there, eighteen million total.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna do it. I don't either.

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Speaker 9: It's uh, they still need pictures they in the bullpen.

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Speaker 9: They haven't signed any of those. I've seen several left

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Speaker 9: handers over the last couple of days get traded or

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Speaker 9: signed and the Reds aren't doing anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not fun.

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Speaker 4: Jay is calling in.

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Speaker 5: Hi, Jay, Hey, Hi, guys, my call. You know, just

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Speaker 5: from the outside looking in. As far as Joe Burrows

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Speaker 5: is dead, it is the outside noise was starting to

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Speaker 5: break him. He used to be able to shield then

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Speaker 5: and now I guess for some reason the series like

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Speaker 5: he's just breaking is the outside noise given to the

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Speaker 5: people saying he can't win a Super Bowl here, all

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Speaker 5: this kind of stuff, and I think I'm thinking it's

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Speaker 5: getting to him. And you got to look back to

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Speaker 5: the Bengals also, when they gave Burrow and Higgins and

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Speaker 5: Chase all this money, you know they were going to

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Speaker 5: have to suffer somewhere and their defense is not going

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Speaker 5: to average the sense before they lost Babes and the

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Speaker 5: others stuff. So and I'm wondering, you know, if it's

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Speaker 5: the outside noise starting to really break Joe Burrow down

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Speaker 5: because he used to have a shield around him where

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Speaker 5: none of that mattered to him. But my observation to him,

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Speaker 5: my observation from looking at him, something is bothering him.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if it's a personal relationship or whatever,

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Speaker 5: but he just seems like he just broke down this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: so that's all I have to say.

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Speaker 2: Jay, I appreciate the phone call. You know, it's hard,

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Speaker 2: Austin because we don't know what's going on in someone's

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Speaker 2: personal life.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's it's difficult because we don't know Joe Burrow yeah,

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Speaker 9: I'm not going to act like I know Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 9: I don't know what He's already a very hard person

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Speaker 9: to figure out. Yeah, he's a private guy. Is it

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Speaker 9: possible that he is seeing and hearing some of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. He's also openly talked about his role as

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Speaker 2: a leader and how that's not natural to him.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's also possible. None of this has anything to

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Speaker 9: do with football, correct. We just don't know, you know,

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Speaker 9: I think a lot of things weigh on different folks.

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Speaker 9: I think the mental side from playing football. I've told

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Speaker 9: people a lot of times I thought the mental side

560
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 9: was harder than the physical side. Just it's a grind, man.

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Speaker 9: It's not for every person. And I'm not saying that

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Speaker 9: it's not for Joe Burrow, He's one of the best

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Speaker 9: to do it. All I'm saying is that mentally, there

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Speaker 9: are times people go through tough times. And sure, if

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Speaker 9: it's off the field, a lot of people can shield

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Speaker 9: that and once they get on the field, they don't

567
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Speaker 9: think about any of it. That's not as easy for

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Speaker 9: some people. You know, we don't know what it is.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's the outside noise. I don't think

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow at the end of the day, worries about

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Speaker 2: what people say. I do think, at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, Joe Burrow worries about winning and championships, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's only fair to have that internal conversation

574
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Speaker 2: of can I ever do that here? And I think

575
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Speaker 2: that goes back to Joe Burrow talking about not having

576
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Speaker 2: fun or if I'm going to continue to do this.

577
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Speaker 2: But Austin, you made the point as well, this doesn't

578
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Speaker 2: just start last Wednesday. We saw a completely different Joe

579
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Speaker 2: Burrow on Thanksgiving night in the postgame interview. That was

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Speaker 2: an emotional Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and at the time we look at it as well,

582
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Speaker 9: you know, this emotional moment, he came back early national TV,

583
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Speaker 9: Thanksgiving dream come true, all of that, and maybe there's

584
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Speaker 9: something more to it that we don't know. I'm not

585
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Speaker 9: gonna sit here and pretexpect to know Joe Burrow at

586
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Speaker 9: all and what he's going through in his life. I

587
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Speaker 9: do think to your point, the more I read about it,

588
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Speaker 9: and the more I see the comments and watch continually

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Speaker 9: what happened a week ago yesterday in his press conference,

590
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Speaker 9: the more I think he's just like you know, We're

591
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Speaker 9: not winning, and I'm miserable because of it. How can

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Speaker 9: I be able to do this at a high level

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Speaker 9: and enjoy it when we're not playing for championships?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 9: It could be that simple, or it could be as

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Speaker 9: simple as whatever else is going on in his life.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 7: I think.

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Speaker 9: I really feel like this is the most overblown story

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Speaker 9: of the season until this Sunday when he played poorly,

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Speaker 9: and now it's like, Okay, well, is this going to

602
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Speaker 9: leak into the last three games? Is it going to

603
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Speaker 9: leak into the offseason? And I think tomorrow I cannot

604
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Speaker 9: wait for tomorrow, and hopefully he can set the record

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Speaker 9: straight or whatever has happened in his life has cleaned

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Speaker 9: up a little bit and he's ready to go.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but yep, we'll take our final break.

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Speaker 2: Mulwager's standing by. He's out at Oakley Greens today getting

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Speaker 2: ready to have a show. We'll catch up with what's

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Speaker 2: on his show and so much more next on the

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Speaker 2: Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 1: Station WCKY Cincinnati, and iHeartRadio station Guaranteed Human ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: I heard radio from the Clements heating and air temps.

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Speaker 4: Star Weather Center.

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Speaker 2: Here's your forecast. This report is sponsored by Macy's Backstage.

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Speaker 10: Finally, some relief from the bitter cold temperatures. Look for

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Speaker 10: temperatures to be above freezing today in a midt and

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Speaker 10: upper thirties on the mostly sunny skies. We'll see clouds

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Speaker 10: increasing later on Tomorrow, Mild in the low mid forties,

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Speaker 10: which is seasonal four this time of year. Thursday warmer

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Speaker 10: in the low fifties, but it'll come with higher range chances.

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Speaker 10: We'll have a few chances for the weekend. And that's

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Speaker 10: the forecast. I'm nine first one of meteorologists kJ Jacobs.

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Speaker 1: Maybe now it's time for a quick hits on Tony

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Speaker 1: Pikes since the three sixteen, who.

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Speaker 8: Was looking for Mo?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we have Mo. He's at Oakley Greens

628
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Speaker 2: this afternoon for the Mulllagger show coming up right after this.

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Speaker 2: He's joining us right now. What's up, MoU fellas?

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Speaker 7: How we doing well?

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Speaker 2: How are you hanging in there? Man?

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Speaker 8: I'm wonderful. I'm wonderful. We're at Oakley Greens. We're hanging out.

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Speaker 8: The Christmas holidays almost here. I don't know why I

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Speaker 8: called it the Christmas holiday. I still like my Grandma,

635
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Speaker 8: but Christmas is almost here. We're in a festive mood.

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Speaker 8: We're excited to be here at Oakley Greens where tonight

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Speaker 8: they will be showing the game that I think the

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Speaker 8: eyes of the country is going to be on tonight

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Speaker 8: in Las Vegas, huge championship game of the NBA Cup.

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Speaker 2: It will be massive. Do you have any big plans

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Speaker 2: for the NBA Cup Finals.

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Speaker 8: I'm running a cabana here at Oakley Greens. I will

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Speaker 8: be sitting in it by myself.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, what are you the only person in Cincinnati who cares?

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Speaker 2: What do you have coming up on your on your

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Speaker 2: show this afternoon?

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Speaker 8: Paul Danner Junior and I are going to do a

649
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Speaker 8: deep dive into this game on Sunday between the Bengals

650
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Speaker 8: and Dolphins, Huge Summer billing. Is the game of the year,

651
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Speaker 8: maybe the game of the decade in the NFL, and

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Speaker 8: the Dolphins only just sort of just fan those flames

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Speaker 8: with their performance.

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Speaker 7: Against the Steelers last night.

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Speaker 8: So Paul's going to be here to talk about a

656
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Speaker 8: billion different Bengals related issues.

657
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Speaker 7: Joe Burrow in his future may come up.

658
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Speaker 8: He's also written a piece that I think if you're

659
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Speaker 8: hoping for wholesale changes with the Cincinnati Bengals, is not

660
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Speaker 8: going to put you in a festive holiday mood. Paul

661
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Speaker 8: and I are going to talk about all that stuff.

662
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Speaker 8: I want to know what makes Joe Burrow different. I

663
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Speaker 8: want to know makes what makes Joe Burrow different? And

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Speaker 8: I will explain that coming up in the four o'clock hour.

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Speaker 8: We'll talk about the current state of UC basketball as

666
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Speaker 8: the Bearcats get set to play a game tomorrow that

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Speaker 8: they should win and then a game that nobody's going

668
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Speaker 8: to give him a chance to win on Sunday against Clemson.

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Speaker 8: And I might do, I might do, and I don't

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Speaker 8: know might do because I've only done one one more

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Speaker 8: segment on the snow on Sunday.

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Speaker 7: Oh, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you know, I wonder what based on Paul's article today, MO,

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Speaker 2: you and I discussed yesterday the thoughts with Joe Burrow?

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Speaker 2: Can I win here in Cincinnati? Can I win without

676
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Speaker 2: having to be perfect every time I play? If I'm

677
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Speaker 2: to believe that there won't be any major changes going forward,

678
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Speaker 2: how can we expect it to be different? What is

679
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Speaker 2: the path to anything changing? Based on what we've seen

680
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Speaker 2: that has not been good enough. How do you put

681
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Speaker 2: your faith in something changing if they're going to run

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Speaker 2: it back in a similar manner.

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Speaker 8: I think change is going to have to involve not firings,

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Speaker 8: right Like, there's lots of different ways to change that

685
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Speaker 8: don't exactly involve firings. But I don't think that's going

686
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Speaker 8: to satisfy anybody. Maybe it doesn't satisfy Joe Burrow, but

687
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Speaker 8: it feels like what's.

688
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Speaker 7: Going to have to happen.

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Speaker 8: And by the way, and Paul makes this point, there's

690
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Speaker 8: three more big data points here down the stretch, they

691
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Speaker 8: play three more games. Yeah, and the Cincinnati Bengals have

692
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Speaker 8: a history of making decisions or changing their mind because

693
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Speaker 8: of the outcome of late season games that otherwise don't matter.

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Speaker 8: Don't ignore that. But I think that Joe is gonna

695
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Speaker 8: have to be convinced, or maybe he won't need to

696
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Speaker 8: be convinced. Then he'll just buy into same people. The

697
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 8: same people are going to do things differently and thus

698
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Speaker 8: better or change could come from and they probably won't

699
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Speaker 8: do this, but they add from outside, you know, they

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Speaker 8: add staff members who aren't on the sideline, they add

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Speaker 8: to the front off I mean, there's lots of different

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Speaker 8: ways for this team to change, but my guess is

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Speaker 8: whatever those changes are are going to be met with

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Speaker 8: a thud relative to the changes that everybody wants.

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Speaker 2: Red's Hall of Fame class for twenty twenty six. What

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Speaker 2: were your initial thoughts?

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Speaker 8: Well, in terms of the fan voting, voters got it right.

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Speaker 8: It should have been Aaron Harang and Brandon Phillips. Nothing

709
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Speaker 8: against the other people on the ballot who are all

710
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 8: deserving a very strong consideration, and many won't go into

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Speaker 8: the Hall of Fame. You know, the Brandon Phillips thing

712
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 8: kind of got weird a little bit at the end,

713
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Speaker 8: But dude, for a stretch he was awesome. And I

714
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Speaker 8: was thinking about this just a short while ago. Really

715
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Speaker 8: the first social media baseball player we had here, I

716
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 8: think Chad Johnson was the first social media athlete, but

717
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 8: BP really embraced it to his benefit, embraced it in

718
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 8: a way that enabled him to establish a connection with

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Speaker 8: a lot of fans, and he was what the Reds

720
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Speaker 8: got in one of the most lopsided, the best trades

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Speaker 8: the franchise has ever made. And you know, that was

722
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Speaker 8: a period of time where you know, they get Brandon

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Speaker 8: and O six. The team was pretty good for much

724
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Speaker 8: of the season that year, but like the twenty ten team,

725
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Speaker 8: the twenty twelve team a lot of homegrown dudes. BP

726
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Speaker 8: was the guy they got from outside, and I think

727
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Speaker 8: it is the best defensive second baseman I've ever watched.

728
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Speaker 8: I'm not old enough to have seen Joe Morgan. He

729
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 8: was marvelous with the glove, certainly had a ton of

730
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Speaker 8: accomplishments with the bat. So I mean the moment he retired,

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Speaker 8: you knew he was gonna go in pretty much for

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Speaker 8: his ballot. Aaron Harang was really really good for some

733
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Speaker 8: not really good teams. I never really thought about Reggie

734
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Speaker 8: Sanders through the filter of being a Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 8: but I'll certainly acknowledge the ninety five team, which I love,

736
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Speaker 8: is one of my two or three favorite all time

737
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Speaker 8: Reds teams. He was great that year. Unfortunately, all everybody

738
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Speaker 8: remembers is all the strikeouts against the Atlanta Braves and

739
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Speaker 8: lou Panella going in is overdue. He was the only

740
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Speaker 8: manager who had won a World Series with the Red

741
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Speaker 8: so I believe is not in the Hall of Fame.

742
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Speaker 8: That's gonna change this summer, and so it's a cool class.

743
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Speaker 8: Fans got it right, and I'm looking forward to Hall

744
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Speaker 8: of Fame induction weekend.

745
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Speaker 2: For what it's worth, Brendan Swarzby's not going to play

746
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Speaker 2: in the bowl game. He's transferring out of the University

747
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Speaker 2: of Cincinnati. They go up against Navy's top ranked rushing

748
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Speaker 2: offense in the country. They also are going to do

749
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Speaker 2: it now. MO cornerback coach Eddie Hicks has gone, cornerback

750
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Speaker 2: er Moni Arnold, Willie Goodwin, Kay Stokes not playing, gone,

751
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Speaker 2: Christian Harrison, Tatan Barnes, Jakwan Sanks. It is an extremely

752
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: thin secondary How how do the Bearcats find a path?

753
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Speaker 2: I know you've not gone far in breaking down parts

754
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Speaker 2: of the Liberty Bowl yet. This is going to be

755
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Speaker 2: a very very tall task against Navy on January tewod.

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Speaker 8: I was gonna make a joke about you opting out

757
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Speaker 8: of a bowl game, but that's a good question. You know,

758
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Speaker 8: we talked about this yesterday, but Navy doesn't have opt outs.

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Speaker 8: Those dudes from Navy aren't transferring.

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Speaker 2: Nope.

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Speaker 8: Those guys from Navy like, all right, We're gonna go

762
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Speaker 8: play a football game and be ready for it. And

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Speaker 8: against pretty much anybody, I think would have a bit

764
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Speaker 8: of an advantage.

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Speaker 7: Tony, I don't know. I mean, they were.

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Speaker 8: Playing poorly down the stretch with all those dudes. I

767
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 8: mean they were those fourth right games.

768
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Speaker 7: Call it what it is. They're playing poorly down the

769
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Speaker 7: stretch with all those guys.

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Speaker 2: And they were getting gassed in the running game.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, they were getting really beaten up on the ground.

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Speaker 8: I think the good news is they are gonna have

773
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Speaker 8: their whole offensive line for this game. So when you

774
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Speaker 8: start with your offense and you start to decide, all right,

775
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Speaker 8: here's how we're gonna play the game offensively, and here

776
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Speaker 8: who here's who our quarterback is gonna be, you could

777
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Speaker 8: at least do it behind an offensive line that was

778
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 8: really good from much of the season.

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Speaker 7: But man, beyond that, dude, I don't know.

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Speaker 8: Do you think it's going to be interesting to see

781
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Speaker 8: what the coaching staff looks like? Sure, because Scott Sadderfield

782
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Speaker 8: is back. This has been a coaching staff that, for

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Speaker 8: the most part, handful of exceptions, has been pretty much

784
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Speaker 8: intact in place that typically doesn't go year to year

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Speaker 8: to year to year. Now, we saw even with Luke

786
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Speaker 8: Fickle down the stretch, you know there were some guys

787
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Speaker 8: who went and did some other things. Eddie Hicks is

788
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Speaker 8: going to be one of them here. I wonder if

789
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Speaker 8: that's if he's gonna be the only defection. But yeah,

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Speaker 8: I wonder what they're gonna put on the field. And look,

791
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Speaker 8: this is what a lot of programs deal with with

792
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Speaker 8: these Bowl games. I think with Cincinnati it creates more

793
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Speaker 8: of a disadvantage because specifically of who they play.

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Speaker 2: Mo, you're the man. Enjoy the show more importantly, enjoyed

795
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Speaker 2: the NBA Cup?

796
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Speaker 4: Are you getting nervous?

797
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: Bring it home tonight?

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Speaker 7: I didn't sleep last night. I didn't sleep last night.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 8: This is this is our chance for our first championship

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00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 8: since nineteen seventy three. Man banner Worthy, Well, the Milwaukee

802
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 8: Bucks have one.

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00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 9: I think the NBA makes you hang a banner.

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Speaker 7: The NBA makes Yeah, the NBA made the Lakers and

805
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Speaker 7: Bucks put one up.

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Speaker 4: The question is merch? Love it?

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Speaker 7: Merch?

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00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll work.

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Speaker 8: I told my wife the other day, I'm like, look,

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Speaker 8: it's it's kind of last minute. But if they win

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Speaker 8: the NBA, I don't want NBA Cup finalists merch. If

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00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 8: they win the NBA Cup tonight, I wear an.

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00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 9: XL title Champions merch have a great show, Jim, NBA.

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00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 9: They're like a duced McBride jersey with a patch on it.

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Speaker 8: Perhaps just unfortunately it is hurt right now, But all right,

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Speaker 8: I'll get the duce McBride jersey with the NBA.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if there's going to be a parade.

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Speaker 8: I don't know how they celebrate this, but I'm planning

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Speaker 8: on being there.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, mom, I have a great one. Thanks. That is

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Speaker 2: a Mulliger. The Muliager showed